[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, do the taxpayers vote on a new firehouse? Didn't we just have council meetings where they discussed buying new trucks and some machinery for spills? Now we have the machinery but no place to house them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From APP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the fire, but I was driving down Route 9 in Lakewood yesterday late afternoon and I could have SWORN I heard the sounds of a fiddle. Great analogy. But who's your choice for Nero? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Avoids a Battle over Demolition
CHARRED REMAINS OF CITY'S HISTORY Community members express thoughts in fire's wake Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/28/06 BY A. SCOTT FERGUSON AND NANCY SHIELDS STAFF WRITERS ASBURY PARK With bare hands and the help of two construction workers, Carolyn Curtin started clearing the ice away from the black, metal sign that simply read: Atlantic Hotel. The sign appeared to be all that remained of both the historic Atlantic and Belmont hotels, which burned down during a wind-swept fire Sunday afternoon. It's sad, said Curtin, who lives a few houses away from the now- destroyed hotels on Asbury Avenue, Monday. A member of the city's historical society, Curtin hoped to salvage the sign as a piece of the city's history that is now gone forever. The Belmont was especially beautiful, said Curtin, who has lived in Asbury Park for four years. In my house, I have original postcards from both of the hotels. Of both of the hotels, the Belmont was architecturally superior. It was much more significant. As Curtin attempted to salvage the hotel sign, city firefighters and investigators from the Monmouth County Fire Marshal's Office and Prosecutor's Office began sifting through the remains of both buildings which were connected by a walkway in an attempt to discover what triggered the blaze. Right now, it's a waiting game, said Garrett M. Giberson, a spokesman for the city's Fire Department, Monday. We're still investigating certain things at this point, and we'll take it from there. Westminster Communities, which plans to build condominium buildings on the 300 Asbury Avenue block, where the two hotels were located, had purchased the vacant hotels from Asbury Partners last week. The fire started about 4:45 p.m. Sunday and took almost four hours to bring under control. Firefighters remained throughout the night and began searching the ice-covered debris Monday morning with a specially trained arson dog. In addition, a State Police cadaver dog was brought in to ensure there were no bodies inside the buildings when the fire started. Giberson said there were no reports of any injuries, and no one had been found inside the buildings after searching. The two buildings had been vacant for some time. In recent years, both were used for health care facilities. In addition to fighting the fire inside the two hotels, Giberson said firefighters helped keep wind-blown embers from starting another fire on nearby Cookman Avenue, where new construction has been under way. The blaze was just across Cookman Avenue from Westminster's new condominiums and town houses going up between Cookman and Lake avenues. On Monday, Sam Gershwin, Westminster's president, said that, except for a little water, the Westminster site was fine and that he was grateful to Asbury Park firefighters for protecting the new buildings. City Manager Terence Reidy said the blazing structure was totally engulfed, and the wind was so strong, it was sending embers all over. Our guys had to get there, assess the fire, set up the entire perimeter and fight the fire while they protected all the other structures. They did an amazing job, and Asbury received support from surrounding communities all shoulder to shoulder, Reidy said. On Monday, despite the wind and bitter cold, people wandered by the remains of the two hotels to take pictures and talk about what had happened. I find it really sad, Joseph Satterfield, 50, who lives on Sixth Avenue, said Monday. I had tears in my eyes just thinking about it. It had so much history, and a fire is so devastating. I just thank God it was empty. Sunday's fire, so close to the new buildings, brought back memories of a September 1987 fire, where the first 16 of 50 town houses next to Wesley Lake went up in flames during an arson fire. The homes, built by then-partners Henry Vaccaro and Joseph Carabetta, were part of a massive redevelopment plan that failed. The destroyed homes were never rebuilt. On Monday, Vaccaro's company, which does local contracting and demolition work, took down the Belmont. The Atlantic had already fallen in from the fire. Giberson said investigators will return to the hotels' remnants today to continue the investigation. Giberson said the investigation would continue unhindered, despite the fact that the city's Fire Department was forced out of its headquarters Monday because of safety concerns. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? A Suggestion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you think, Asbury Park? Do we have that kind of community spirit in us? Could we just start asking for donations to see if we can build the firefighters a new firehouse? I think the median income in Colts Neck is a tad higher than AP. If Weldon gives up his pension, I kick in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? A Suggestion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: So what do you think, Asbury Park? Do we have that kind of community spirit in us? Could we just start asking for donations to see if we can build the firefighters a new firehouse? I think the median income in Colts Neck is a tad higher than AP. No doubt (I think it is close to $110K in Colts Neck). However, being the only paid Fire Department in the area we provide assitance to our wealthy neighbors, and AP has people in those wealthy neighborhoods pulling for her. If Weldon gives up his pension, I kick in. I post about community spirit and you bring up this. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
Ocean has 3. Wanamassa with (2) houses - the original plus a nice new one they built - in the center of town, taking out ratables (houses). OAkhurst now has 2 - off west park ave (the original) and a new one off route 18 at Deal Road. To keep volenteers, we can offer reduced or free pool membership and other perks to help those guys that take the time. In general volunteers for the fire department are not those guys/women that have to pay on a 500-1m mortgage. My thoughts. But having grown up in Wanamassa/Ocean Twp - I can tell you the type that will vol. You need people to volunteer - and a big enough base. That concept was floated in AP over the years. YOu gonna throw out a union? In AP? Doubt out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
Of course, what do I know? I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks Asbury Park needs new parking garages on main street. Really bad idea too. Development like that has killed many Main Streets. Parking is better as part of new infill development off of Main. Or, along the Memorial Drive corridor to serve expanding commuter base at the transit center. All I know is that I've seen many a business on Main Street struggle for one main reason - lack of parking for people near the business. That and a parking garage facility on Main Street would do wonders for people from outside the area feeling comfortable about where to park. In addition, one parking garage on one corner or in the middle of town would probably generate a ton of revenue. Ideally, I would have one on both ends of town, but I'm always looking for people from outside of the area. Asbury is definitely looking for people who can walk to the downtown area right now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need people to volunteer - and a big enough base. That concept was floated in AP over the years. YOu gonna throw out a union? In AP? Doubt out. Oak, you are right about that. A number of years back there was a police officer who tried to start an auxillary volunteer fire department. I knew him and his family very well. He got crucified. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Parking Deck on Main St ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I know is that I've seen many a business on Main Street struggle for one main reason - lack of parking for people near the business. That and a parking garage facility on Main Street would do wonders for people from outside the area feeling comfortable about where to park. In addition, one parking garage on one corner or in the middle of town would probably generate a ton of revenue. Ideally, I would have one on both ends of town, but I'm always looking for people from outside of the area. Interesting observations, I'm going to try to get you thinking about this on a practical level and from a City Planning perspective. First some basics to set the ground work: Q: How long is Main St? A: One Mile Q: How far are people comfortable walking? A: zero to 1/4 mile (?) Q: What type stores are on MainSt.? A: Neighborhood/Service oriented Q: What destination stores are there? A: None Q: Would people come from out of town to walk up to a mile to patronize a convienience/service oriented business because of a parking garage? A: ??? ...Asbury is definitely looking for people who can walk to the downtown area rightnow. Regarding the Down Town - That is different context entirely, It's compact, has residential, will have parking decks, and MAY have destination business eventually. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From APP - choice for Nero
driving down Route 9 in Lakewood yesterday late afternoon and I could have SWORN I heard the sounds of a fiddle. Great analogy. But who's your choice for Nero? Can it be any but the council that signed this development deal? They collected and added to combustibles by failing to act as though time were of some essence, provided the ignition granting 10 years of abatements and guaranteed the conflagration locking in 30 years of mischief. I wonder what, at this late date, they were doing in Lakewood. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Some more photos
My kid did a few things with adobe photoshop on some of the fire shots. http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/belfire/f3.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Some more photos
In a message dated 2/28/2006 11:05:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/belfire/f3.htm Powerful pictures. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire House Issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Weldon is getting what he contributed into the pension system. Lets get it rite. GG The problem with the pension system is that it is a benefit. A benefit supproted by taxpayers. Something you earn. The final clause should be that your pension may be revoked AT ANY TIME for crimes committed while in ANY public office. Instead, the system works in such a way that you get promoted to a higher level, which in turn kicks in a higher pension, then you you get canned or arrested. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
Regarding the Down Town - That is different context entirely, It's compact, has residential, will have parking decks, and MAY have destination business eventually. If Tom will tolerate day trippers patronizing Asbury's bars, restaurants and entertainment, they'll have to be provided parking or that business will wither. Call them whatever makes you comfortable, lots, decks, garages, etc they'll need to be in close proximity to venues, and I doubt they'll turn significant revenue. Reidy seems convinced that pay parking is going to be a sort of home run for Asbury, I doubt it. Towns lost the retail war over free and easy parking, consumers have been trained for 50 some years to expect parking or travel to where it's available. I've asked Terry if he's seen any cost/benefit analyses re parking meters; they must exist and for a town like Asbury I can't imagine revenue and fines recover initial investment in anything but Fishman time, i.e. 30+ years. Further, why piss-off out of towners with a disincentive to come here? Being the exception to the rule of sneaking up on parked cars to levy fines, would I'm convinced pay big dividends; reminds me when I first moved to Toronto, they have signs in all the city parks Pease walk on the grass, sidebar, today they even welcome you to smoke it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
Start here: http://www.planning.org/conferencecoverage/2005/monday/shoupsession.htm http://www.ionet.net/~luttrell/history.html http://www.pom.com/ http://www.otiglobal.com/content.aspx?id=41 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
On 2/28/06 11:16 AM, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call them whatever makes you comfortable, lots, decks, garages, etc they'll need to be in close proximity to venues, and I doubt they'll turn significant revenue. It would be interesting to see a study of parking decks in New Brunswick and how they affect the traffic throughout the town. Of all of the towns we distribute our paper to New Brunswick has the most parking garages. There's at least 3-4 major size ones. Most, if not all, seem to be full each day with parking at about $1 per hour up to $12-15 per day. New Brunswick is also a town with a tremendous amount of foot traffic throughout the town. While there are tons of big businesses there, much traffic is from people shopping, eating in the restaurants, and attending live events. Personally, I think the town does so well because they have made it very easy for people who don't know the area very well to find parking. Now, Werner is right in that New Brunswick has offered their parking garages on the side streets (with plenty of signs for the garages on the main roads) and that's probably the best way to do it; however, the important thing is giving people a place to park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fire Investigation/ Kushner's Transfer
OK, I tried verifying Nancy's report on the ownership of the hotel property as Westminster Communities' with the city, but Reidy was out of the office and the tax records won't have a new transfer for anywhere's from 4 - 12 weeks post sale. Since the sale from Asbury Partners to Westminster was printed again today with no mention of a correction requested from the City, I included it in my update of the story on Asbury Radio.com BTW Today - Feb. 28 - is also the date Westminster's owner, Charlie Kushner was due to transfer from the prison camp in Alabama to a half- way house, according to the StarLedger of 2/16/06. Here's a question for yah - if Nancy quoted the fire officials correctly, they're still investigating the fire that destroyed the hotels that Kushner just bought. Then why are the officials allowing Vacarro to demolish the site? Isn't that destroying a possible crime scene? Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
New Brunswick has built in clients. The hospital, rutgers, offices and destination points. A train station that you can feel decent about leaving your car. Within 5 miles, you have enough office workers to at least get some to come to downtown to eat. Having done that while working in Piscataway at least once per week, paying an extra $2.00 for my lunch - just to park. Might of done it more often, had it not been that $2.00 fee. That area has turned around - after probably a billion so far in spending. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Fire Investigation/ Kushner's Transfer
At 4:41 PM + 2/28/06, radio881gal wrote: ...Then why are the officials allowing Vacarro to demolish the site? Isn't that destroying a possible crime scene? Why must everything be a conspiracy theory event to you? Can you give no credit to our local and county officials? Do you think Henry just bulldozed past the yellow tape line with no regard to the authorities? Do you think Charles Kushner has a hotline to Henry Vaccaro and order the hit from prison? Can you not imagine that an investigation might occur coincident with demolition? Is it possible that certain portions of the buildings had to be demolished before it was safe for fire inspection officials -- not to mention their dogs -- to enter the premises? You have a relationship with Henry... why don't you just call him instead of posting your wild speculation here? And since when do you give credibility to anything the Press writes? I know you're going to respond saying that you weren't accusing anyone of anything and that you were just asking questions, so I want to point out to you all the punctuation I used in my reply to your post. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
AP has no University, no Corporations, no Hospital, no major rail line, etc,. AP had, as its industry, recreational tourism. That has now been eliminated and replaced with high density residential uses. The parking Decks in NB are a direct response to the need. The parking did not cause those resources to spring up. Quite the opposite, the land uses created the need for the parking. You're right. What happens in one town doesn't mean it will work elsewhere, but why would I go to a town like Asbury Park to shop or eat out if I can't find a place to park? I think it goes both ways. You give me easy access to parking and I'll come. I've found myself going to New Brunswick an awful lot simply because it's easy. I'd rather park and walk than spend my time searching for the last remaining space. Of course, many won't even look... They'll just leave. And that's why Asbury should think more about parking. Whether or not you want garages, parking is a problem that's only going to get worse and I think you've pointed that out before. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
You're right, but I also see hundreds of people who are not there for the hospital, don't work there, and don't attend Rutgers. Places like the State Theatre and George Street attract visitors from around the state (as the arts generally does...) But there are 24 hours in a day - those shows, while they do attract a good crowd, in general, do not support such places as a Subway or Rafferty's during the day. Read on: New Brunswick, New Jersey is a vibrant city of 49,000 residents, a number that triples during the business day with college students, corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers and visitors. It is a community with richly diverse neighborhoods, a bustling downtown, and an innovative and popular cultural arts center. Within a few city blocks converge Johnson Johnson's world headquarters, Rutgers-The State University of New Jersey, the country's largest medical school, two premiere academic hospitals, three professional theaters, and several four-star restaurants. On behalf of New Brunswick City Market, Inc., the nonprofit corporation serving as the management company for New Brunswick's Special Improvement District (SID), we welcome you to explore our city. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I was wrong - $1.5 Billion plus...
The City of New Brunswick has experienced a tremendous economic resurgence during the past 25 years. With nearly $1.5 billion in investment, New Brunswick has recaptured its vitality. The two major organizations responsible for rebuilding and redefining the redevelopment strategies for the city are New Brunswick Development Corporation and the city Department of Planning, Community Economic Development. Waht was Asbury's investment the last 25 years. Let JJ do the math, it would be negative investment in this time peroid. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Plus $325million and who do you want leading:
Like many American cities in the early 1970s, New Brunswick's economic and residential bases were in decline. To ensure the economic revival of the city and to combat its failing infrastructure, several unique individuals -- including Johnson Johnson executive John J. Heldrich, state senator and then mayor John Lynch, former Rutgers president Edward Bloustein, and former Johnson Johnson chairman Richard Sellars -- banded together to create the New Brunswick Development Corporation (Devco). It would serve as a nonprofit urban real estate development company to jumpstart the city's economic resurgence. Money. Money. Money. You want leaders to lead. Proven leaders. This (AP) is no longer, should not be any longer, a mom and pop operation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Council - take note: motto to follow.
from devco.org: READ THIS AND ADOPT IT! This is a very deliberate, focused effort. It's a marathon. It's public-private partnerships that will attract the true private-sector dollars. But you have to work at it everyday. You have to keep reminding your partners every day that they have to hold up their end of the bargain. - Christopher J. Paladino, President You have to keep reminding your partners every day that they have to hold up their end of the bargain. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Council - take note: motto to follow.
I forgot to highlight the word Bargain You have to keep reminding your partners every day that they have to hold up their end of the bargain. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New Brunswick
Devco.org - the site itself should win an award. A model to learn from. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Deck on Main St ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New Brunswick, New Jersey is a vibrant city of 49,000 residents, a number that triples during the business day with college students, corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers and visitors. It is a community with richly diverse neighborhoods, a bustling downtown, and an innovative and popular cultural arts center. Within a few city blocks converge Johnson Johnson's world headquarters, Rutgers-The State University of New Jersey, the country's largest medical school, two premiere academic hospitals, three professional theaters, and several four-star restaurants. On behalf of New Brunswick City Market, Inc., the nonprofit corporation serving as the management company for New Brunswick's Special Improvement District (SID), we welcome you to explore our city. Asbury Park, New Jersey is a confused City of 17,000 residents, a number that decreases during the business day as students, corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers and shoppers leave to go elsewhere. It is a community with poor, diverse neighborhoods, an unused downtown, and the wasted potential and history as a cultural arts center. Within a few city blocks converge no corporate headquarters, a poorly rated school system, no institutes of higher learning, the country's longest drawnout redevelopment project, two crumbling historic buildings, three unused theaters, and several over priced antiques shops. As a long time observer and student of Asbury Park History now serving as the City Historian in Exile for Asbury Park, I encourage you to take stock of reality, learn as much about what has happened here you can and demand better planning for this City. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City Council Meeting: March 1st, Wednesday
Tomorrow: 4:00PM City Council Executive Session 6:00PMCity Council Work Session 7:00PM City Council Regular Meeting The hotel fires,what was the response time, where the blocked andbroken roads a factor in response time, and the fire departments doing a great job saving the near-by buildings on that bitter cold day.More facts will be forthcoming. New ideas for what to do about thefirehouse crisis. Will these 2 topics take away attention from the beachfront renegotiations. All will be big topics and effect the way your tax dollars are spent. The city needs grant writers, are you able to help? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. cc20060301.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
[AsburyPark] AP a confused City of 17,000
Asbury Park, New Jersey is a confused City of 17,000 residents, a number that decreases during the business day as students, corporate and business employees, hospital and health care workers and shoppers leave to go elsewhere. It is a community with poor, diverse neighborhoods, an unused downtown, and the wasted potential and history as a cultural arts center. Werner, I can hear Tom sharpening his pencils. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I was wrong - $1.5 Billion plus...vs $1.2 billion promise
The City of New Brunswick has experienced a tremendous economic resurgence during the past 25 years. With nearly $1.5 billion in investment, New Brunswick has recaptured its vitality. The two major organizations responsible for rebuilding and redefining the redevelopment strategies for the city are New Brunswick Development Corporation and the city Department of Planning, Community Economic Development. Yeah, but we've got a $1.2 billion promise from Larry The Fishman whose words are his bond, we've got the world renowned Asbury Partners, flim flam artists of the highest order, we've got a city council that never met a bad deal it couldn't get behind and we've got the UEZ, whatever the hell that is. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Plus $325million... Look who we've got
Johnson Johnson executive John J. Heldrich, state senator and then mayor John Lynch, former Rutgers president Edward Bloustein, and former Johnson Johnson chairman Richard Sellars -- banded together to create the New Brunswick Development Corporation (Devco). It would serve as a nonprofit urban real estate development company to jumpstart the city's economic resurgence. We've got Larry, Moe and Curly dedicated to squeezing every last shekel out of Asbury, guaranteeing permanent fiscal ruin so as to jumpstart their newfound careers as masters of real estate development; Asbury's destruction is simply a learning opportunity for our boy wonders. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fwd: [AsburyParkGLH] City Council Meeting: March 1st, Wednesday
Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- There you go again Jerry spouting off at the mouth just like the rest of the malcontents in this city. Talk, Talk, Talk, and nooo facts. Shame shame shame. I am sure you know plenty of people you could call and get the facts from. There is no need to stir your pot on here when you can just pick up the phone. Haven't you come to the fire house for information before? What stopped you this time? The beach front topics! The city council has given deadlines as far as the beach front is concerned why would a fire take away from that? Stop the BS! Garrett Giberson Jr ---End Message---
[AsburyPark] Re: New Brunswick
I was screaming about New Brunswick DevCo 3 years ago. New Brunswick's Redevelopment Worked. Camden's Redevelopment Failed. Both have Multinational Corporations based in the city (JNJ CPB). Both have Major Universities. (Rutgers) Both have Major Medical Centers (UMDNJ Cooper) One has a DevCo. One entrusted the city government to handle redevelopment. The parallels between New Brunswick Asbury Park are not that far off. New Brunswick was DEAD in the late 80s/early 90s. Rutgers was a suitcase school, emptying out on weekends. Of the 30-odd thousand students, 80% of them lived within 20 miles of campus. The only thing open on George Street was pawn shops bars. Driving down George Street during the day, you were solicited for crack. At night, you were solicited for sex in between gunshots. Today you can walk from College Avenue to Douglass Campus and pass young affluent professionals transplanted from Hoboken and a booming retail community built up to service them. These aren't college kids. These aren't JNJ employees. The college kids can't afford the restaurants shops, and the JNJ employees have on-site restaurants amenity services. The parking decks aren't filled with college kids, who can park anywhere they want on campus on weekends. They aren't filled with JNJ employees who have an underground deck between George Albany and free use of the Hyatt deck. The decks are filled with people who drop a few hundred dollars on a weekend night and go home, not burdening New Brunswick's schools, utilities, or social services. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devco.org - the site itself should win an award. A model to learn from. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New Brunswick - triCity is right
I often don't agree with Dan J, but this week he is spot on - the lack of office space Downtown is a serious flaw. It was a major reason why there were so many people Downtown years ago. Also regarding New Brunswick, I believe it is the county seat. I know the Superior Court alone brings in a few thousand people each week. Down side is too many lawyers running around. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New Brunswick
The parallels between New Brunswick Asbury Park are not that far off. New Brunswick was DEAD in the late 80s/early 90s. Rutgers was a suitcase school, emptying out on weekends. Of the 30-odd thousand students, 80% of them lived within 20 miles of campus. The only thing open on George Street was pawn shops bars. Driving down George Street during the day, you were solicited for crack. At night, you were solicited for sex in between gunshots. You're right. I remember having friends work in Brunswick and being terrified when they had to work late nights back in the early 90s. The parking decks aren't filled with college kids, who can park anywhere they want on campus on weekends. They aren't filled with JNJ employees who have an underground deck between George Albany and free use of the Hyatt deck. The decks are filled with people who drop a few hundred dollars on a weekend night and go home, not burdening New Brunswick's schools, utilities, or social services. If anybody thinks places like the Harvest Moon are getting nothing but college kids at $5 or $6 a beer (when college bars can still be found at $2) they're nuts. People are COMING to New Brunswick because they made it a SAFE, HIP place to go. And, whether people want to admit it or not, parking plays a role in that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] New Brunswick - triCity is right
On 2/28/06 8:41 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I often don't agree with Dan J, but this week he is spot on - the lack of office space Downtown is a serious flaw. It was a major reason why there were so many people Downtown years ago. Also regarding New Brunswick, I believe it is the county seat. I know the Superior Court alone brings in a few thousand people each week. Down side is too many lawyers running around. Yes, it is the county seat; however, just as with Freehold - the people going to City Hall tend to eat close to the municipal building. There's an entire world of New Brunswick (as with Freehold) that those people do not ever see. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Parking, etc.
We could build parking garages by the score and still not succeed if the waterfront is not restored. What would they park to see? The crumbling remains of the Casino? I spent the day doing field work in Long Beach NY. Funny, City by the Sea was placed in Long Beach but shot in AP. No decline there. They don't even have what we have, only the beach. There are just too many things to argue or complain about. It's like raising kids; you have to pick your battles. The thing to focus on is restoring the waterfront. If we fail at that, we fail at all. Keep focus and pressure on what is most important. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Plus $325million... Look who we've got
"We've got Larry, Moe and Curly dedicated to squeezing every last shekel out of Asbury, guaranteeing permanent fiscal ruin so as tojumpstart their newfound careers as masters of real estate development; Asbury's destruction is simply a learning opportunity forour boy wonders." what were the other projects lary fishman did before, he created asbury partners, and came along to asbury park? i cant remember, but it was something big? Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking, etc.
We could build parking garages by the score and still not succeed if the waterfront is not restored. What would they park to see? Of course you're right; however, before we create another monster to go along with the joke by the sea, let's make sure we don't shoot ourselves in the other foot. That long promised new day is badly hobbled, why make it crawl? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1645
Well, Joe, thanks for posing all this supposition. But I'm not sure that it's all warranted just yet. Since when is posing a question the same asproposing aconspiracy? If I had the time, I would hang on the phone calling Giberson, Henry, the county fire marshall, et al. But the truth is that the mortgage is due and putting the question out for comment was a lot less time-consuming. Er, this is the chat room, isn't it? Oopsam I in the wrong place? Is this the wire service I've stumbled into? Maureen In a message dated 2/28/2006 8:40:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:56:16 -0500 From: Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Fire Investigation/ Kushner's TransferAt 4:41 PM + 2/28/06, radio881gal wrote:...Then why are the officials allowingVacarro to demolish the site? Isn't that destroying a possible crimescene?Why must everything be a conspiracy theory event to you? Can you give no credit to our local and county officials? Do you think Henry just bulldozed past the yellow tape line with no regard to the authorities? Do you think Charles Kushner has a hotline to Henry Vaccaro and order the "hit" from prison? Can you not imagine that an investigation might occur coincident with demolition? Is it possible that certain portions of the buildings had to be "demolished" before it was safe for fire inspection officials -- not to mention their dogs -- to enter the "premises"? You have a relationship with Henry... why don't you just call him instead of posting your wild speculation here? And since when do you give credibility to anything the Press writes?I know you're going to respond saying that you weren't accusing anyone of anything and that you were just asking questions, so I want to point out to you all the punctuation I used in my reply to your post. Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's America!! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Plus $325million... Look who we've got
what were the other projects lary fishman did before, he created asbury partners, and came along to asbury park? i cant remember, but it was something big? He was a big player in replacement windows, diamond trading and buying tax arrears; one look at that resume and council rolled over, they'd found their man. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Questions, questions, questions
Since when is posing a question the same as proposing a conspiracy? Questions, questions, questions; has no one any answers? Well, Joe, thanks for posing all this supposition. But I'm not sure that it's all warranted just yet. Since when is posing a question the same as proposing a conspiracy? If I had the time, I would hang on the phone calling Giberson, Henry, the county fire marshall, et al. But the truth is that the mortgage is due and putting the question out for comment was a lot less time-consuming. Er, this is the chat room, isn't it? Oops am I in the wrong place? Is this the wire service I've stumbled into? Maureen In a message dated 2/28/2006 8:40:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:56:16 -0500 From: Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fire Investigation/ Kushner's Transfer At 4:41 PM + 2/28/06, radio881gal wrote: ...Then why are the officials allowing Vacarro to demolish the site? Isn't that destroying a possible crime scene? Why must everything be a conspiracy theory event to you? Can you give no credit to our local and county officials? Do you think Henry just bulldozed past the yellow tape line with no regard to the authorities? Do you think Charles Kushner has a hotline to Henry Vaccaro and order the hit from prison? Can you not imagine that an investigation might occur coincident with demolition? Is it possible that certain portions of the buildings had to be demolished before it was safe for fire inspection officials -- not to mention their dogs -- to enter the premises? You have a relationship with Henry... why don't you just call him instead of posting your wild speculation here? And since when do you give credibility to anything the Press writes? I know you're going to respond saying that you weren't accusing anyone of anything and that you were just asking questions, so I want to point out to you all the punctuation I used in my reply to your post. Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park 88.1FM - 5 Years on the Air!! Asbury's Own Live Talk Show 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/ Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Speak up - It's America!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Lynch
Easy Skip. Check out the landholdings of Mr. Lynch and his predecessor Mayor Mulligan. It may be tough because Lynch used agents registered in Penn. for some of his land aquisitions. JJ held the city and stateup for the new highway extension as part of its deal to keep its headquarters there. These were NOT men in white hats. Maureen In a message dated 2/28/2006 8:40:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: "Johnson Johnson executive John J. Heldrich, state senator and thenmayor John Lynch, former Rutgers president Edward Bloustein, andformer Johnson Johnson chairman Richard Sellars -- banded togetherto create the New Brunswick Development Corporation (Devco). It wouldserve as a nonprofit urban real estate development company tojumpstart the city's economic resurgence." Maureen NevinAsbury Radio -"The Radio Voice of Asbury Park"88.1FM - "5" Years on the Air!!Asbury's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463Speak up - It's America!! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fwd: [AsburyParkGLH]
Michael aka Fred wrote, Pay that loser no mind, nobody else does. Who's going to listen to a "man" who turned his back on his Community. If he was a real "man" he would spill his guts. Wash your face Jerry. and copied this post from the other list. Notice he did not post while he was away? --- In AsburyPark GLH @yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There you go again Jerry spouting off at the mouth just like the rest of the malcontents in this city. Talk, Talk, Talk, and nooo facts. Shame shame shame. I am sure you know plenty of people you could call and get the facts from. There is no need to stir your pot on here when you can just pick up the phone. Haven't you come to the fire house for information before? What stopped you this time? The beach front topics! The city council has given deadlines as far as the beach front is concerned why would a fire take away from that? Stop the BS! Garrett Giberson Jr I respond this on the other group: Garrett, Your wrong on many of your points on your posting. I see you did not post your response on the other list. The shame is on you. On this list you feel safe? One of the problem in AP, if you do not have the timeto stop by city hall during the dayto collect information, it may take all day to get a call intothe building. How many of you tried to call into city hall and have nobody pick-up or get a busy signal? Also was or was not the firehouse evacuated for the last 2 days? Why did you say stop the BS, did you read in the papers that the city council has given deadlines as far as the beach front is concerned. On the other A P yahoo group, it was posted thatrenegotiations may not be going so well as of last week. All I am doing isgetting people to the council meetings. Garrett, if you were not being defensive about something, my posting would only have been read by a few people on the list. The lasttime you where concerned about my postingwas abouta fire on 3rd Ave. Something about water and working fire hydrants to put out a fire quickly.A year latera home ownersaid something on the list,that fire on 3rd cost her and her partnerover a $100,000.00 out of pocket. There you go again Jerry spouting off at the mouth just like the rest of the malcontents in this city. Garrett as a city official, you have lots privilegeinformation that only you need to know, which is not public information, yet.No one is asking you to share your facts. You did not offer any factsabout a fireto the group. A fire? It was one of the biggest in recent times. TV coverage and all. Even the policeare investigating the remains of the 2 hotels. So therefore, you should not be name calling on any list. The public should be able to ask questions withoutso much reaction.Drama? Passionate? Something is very wrong. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Fwd: [AsburyParkGLH] - while he was away
Michael aka Fred wrote, and copied this post from the other list. Notice he did not post while he was away? Michael, aka Fred, aka dog, aka bad dog, aka dog of no name, er the above means what? While he was away was he again in the pound, at obedience training or dreaming of chasing cats and finding a better name? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lynch
Yes, but there were MANY conflicting interests, and they were able to hammer out a beautiful redevelopment, housing density, commercial activity, and a brand spanking new Route 18 to bring day-trippers there. It may have been coincidental that the redevelopment worked, but I personally think DevCo inspired an honor among thieves mentality. Of course, 15 years from now Terry Weldon may be hailed as a visionary genius as well. I guess the winners will get to write the history of Asbury Park too. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Skip. Check out the landholdings of Mr. Lynch and his predecessor Mayor Mulligan. It may be tough because Lynch used agents registered in Penn. for some of his land aquisitions. JJ held the city and state up for the new highway extension as part of its deal to keep its headquarters there. These were NOT men in white hats. Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lynch
honor among thieves mentality. Of course, 15 years from now Terry Weldon may be hailed as a visionary genius as well. I guess the winners will get to write the history of Asbury Park too. Fifteen years from today, if council hasn't thrown the bum out, Larry will be crying to council that he needs another abatement to cover the unforeseen costs of screwing Asbury's residents, the unimagined costs of infrastructure, the resistance of tenants to occupy his pavilions, the unbudgeted costs of hoardings and boarding up CH and the Casino to keep the curious away and the skyrocketing price of puke yellow paint. There will be no winners, everyone will be a loser and the history will be an obscenity. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
