[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
Michael, Please do not assume that these individuals LIVE here! They do NOT! Asbury Park has had a history of persons coming to our town to either procure and women seeking johns! It wasn't until the Police started lising the johns names in the newspapers that it sort of, waned. I read in the newspapers, the "new" law enforcement, bragging about how different it is under new management. I don't see any "new" difference except the old "status quo" at work, a Black town run by white people. My opinion. I know this will open a hornets nest, but I speak the truth! Unless the Police take a HARD stance against these "prostitues", the "Johns", the homeless and a place for them to go, crime as in hard drugs, gangs and juvenile delinquency, these crimes will continue, fester and grow like an infected sore, that gives ALL citizens of this city a "bad" name, while we endeavor to rebuild and grow. Please call the Police and report what you see. I thought there was a Neighborhodd Watch group over there, where you are. I know, that if you knew where you were moving, you might not have moved there! Someone certainly LIED to you! That area has been NOTORIOUS for DECADES! Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Fighting Prostitution in my neighborhood
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Don't know who is on the current zoning board of adjustment, but it would never have been approved on my watch! The City is accomodating those, whose interest THEY share and the rest of the City that has complied with the zoning laws be DAMNED. I personally am not against biking, but if it's in the city's zoning laws, how was it approved? Okay, that said, the zoning laws should be changed. What about the allowance of 3 bars? This used to be a town, where the boardwalk, amusements and bathing ,were to promote a family atmosphere. With the influx of transplants from other areas, the newbies want to FORCE the way REAL Asbury Park residents lived, into THEIR mindset! The HAVES, telling the HAVE- NOTS, it's THEIR town, now! Give me a break! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: fighting a mission is a futile action
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me or did concerned heterosexual citizens voice concerns on this issue. I do remember them being concerned that the Market Street Mission will not be performing background checks via Social Security Numbers as the County and the Salvation Army do. This would mean the felons and the Megan's Law sex offenders that they would turn away could stay at Asbury Ave Memorial. They would be released around 7 AM out onto the street where a children's school bus stop is, not to mention a clear walking path for teenagers heading north to the high school from AP's southside. While heterosexuals are not the only ones that have children in Asbury Park, the majority of children in the at-risk proposed area around the Mission seem to belong to heterosexual parents. Please ask the families over here how they feel about the prospect of sex offenders and felons around the corner from where their children play due to Market Street's decision not to perform the most minimum efforts to ensure their children's safety and I am sure that you will here those deafening heterosexual voices against the mission. Respectfully, Tom You assume, that that's what they are! Sex offenders and felons. Not just men who are down and out! Some have posted here, that we already have too many in this community. Where, pray tell! The night my husband suffered a heart attack, JSMC had several in their emergency room, due to the severe cold, 1/31/06. If you had seen their condition, you'd rethink your statement. In a country of plenty, the homeless have nowhere to go, kids go to sleep hungry, every night, while you sleep in your warm home, loft or condo, while kids on the west side sleep in roach and rat infested, slums, while the north east live in splendor! All I can say is remember Katrina. That's the face of America and its' racist policies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It comes down to what is best for Asbury. Keady should view this from the resdients perspective. WE LIVE HERE. WE PAY TAXES HERE. Why support a mission that will be in OUR town to help others? I know this is needed however as we all know there are already plenty in Asbury. If there were an increase of Asbury residents needing assistance, and the facilities / programs were not able to handle, then I could understand. While I do not know the numbers I would think the homeless has declined. The councilman should put aside his selfish thoughts (while I understant are high) and represent the people of Asbury. That is why he was elected. dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, paulvail1964 vailpj@ wrote: The consensus of the council was not unanimous. Councilman Keady made it clear last night that he supports the Market Street Mission's homeless shelter and soup kitchen on Asbury Avenue. Paul, you know that I personally support Stand Up For Asbury and disagree with my friend Jim Keady on this issue. I am glad that you merely reported the facts of his disagreement in your post. That being said, I think Jim's reluctance to oppose the shelter is based upon his religious and moral principles and that he stands on higher moral ground than I do in opposing it. While I commend both Messers. Loffredo and Johnson for their stand, I still beleive that Jim Keady is one of the best friends the citizens of Asbury Park have in city government. We just must agree to disagree on certain issues. My check is in the mail. What a racist view! YOU don't speak for ALL residents and you don't speak for me! I'm with Jim's view. When Marlboro Psychiatric Hospital closed, the mentally challenged began showing up here. The powers that be, back in the 80's were so busy getting theirs, no one seemed to care! I'll bet that the Mission will be a place that the homeless will flock to for lack of a better place to go. Go into the archives and see who was running Asbury Park, when they GAVE the City to Carabetta! Every administration since, have said THEY had the answer to this City's problems and every new administration are beset with the same problems as before. These are just old problems recycled. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I'm just going to say this one time, and then i'm going to stop, because nobody is paying attention to the only thing i'm asking. I'd just like to be able to ride my bike on the boardwalk later in the evening...say 10 or 11 pm. I went for a bike ride last night at 10:30 pm. The boardwalk was entirely empty, save for perhaps one or 2 people. The street lights on Ocean Ave. were off, and there I was riding, not aware of potholes or anything BECAUSE I couldn't see them...but just a few yards away was the empty, well lit, smooth and safe boardwalk. You people that don't want to allow me to ride on the EMPTY boardwalk are telling me that I should go ride in and ugly, unsafe, unlit, bumpy and pothole filled road, at the same time you are trying to preserve the safety of the walkers on the boardwalk that aren't there. They're at home, sleeping, watching TV. Do you not see my point? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube traderdube@ wrote: Bikes and pedestrians on the boardwalk do not mix. It is a miracle that no one has been injured. It is a disgrace that the people in charge of Asbury's boardwalk and pavilions have done so little to enhance the boardwalk and it's pavilions to make Asbury even more attractive for tourists and everyday beach goers than it already is. Instead, we have bikes on the boardwalk at all hours and count them, 3 bars in full operation on the boardwalk. I believe, and Werner can confirm or deny, that when James Bradley handed the city his boardwalk he provided for zero alcohol on it, and the avenues remaining open space. The idea of Asbury being a place to come for peace and quiet, health and meditation has kind of been usurped wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: It appears that between your reply and the one prior to it there are different points of view on just what was allowed and what has changed... So apparently others here are both misinformed and making incorrect assumptions, too. Points of view, Assumptions, etc, lead to bad conclusions. The facts are what they are - Biking is prohibited except from 6am to 9am. Biking and pedestrian activities are incompatible, which is the reason for limiting bikes to certain hours. The Council is moving to extend those hours, not reduce them, as a compromise. Bottom line is that I really think this is too bad. Unfortunate for the town. This move eliminates something that was both highly desireable and differentiating for AP and just simply a lot of fun. As a marketing professional I am truly amazed. We want people to come back and check out AP then take away something that was getting them here. As a marketing professional you really beleive that the economic gains (if any) realized due to a handfull of bikers is more significant than the safety of hundreds of pedestrians who are visiting and spending money ? What a pity. I am also kind of amazed that, with all of the things both important and sometimes silly that are debated on this board, nothing was ever mentioned about this (forgive me if I missed something). I for one will be complaining to Terry Reidy and our Council. Complaining about what? They ae increasing the allowed hours. Werner As a side note - several tens of thousand dollars were recently spent to create bike lanes around town. They are not used except for the occational hard-core/spandexed/helmeted biker. I've seen about 6 in the past six months. More wasted public funds and visual clutter from strips and signs. Don't know who is on the current zoning board of adjustment, but it would never have been approved on my watch! The City is accomodating those, whose interest THEY share and the rest of the City that has complied with the zoning laws be DAMNED. I personally am not against biking, but if it's in the city's zoning laws, how was it approved? Okay, that said, the zoning laws should be changed. What about the allowance of 3 bars? This used to be a town, where the boardwalk, amusements and bathing ,were to promote a family atmosphere. With the influx of transplants from other areas, the newbies want to FORCE the way REAL Asbury Park residents lived, into THEIR mindset! The HAVES, telling the HAVE- NOTS, it's THEIR town, now! Give me a break! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just going to say this one time, and then i'm going to stop, because nobody is paying obviously not true, talk about beating a dead horse, i agree with others ride your bike at 11 pm , you have better oods of getting struck by lightning then getting a ticket, since you mentioned it, you worked at the peddler in long branch what are their hours for bikes on the bdwalk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bikes on the Boardwalk
I don't know about the hours in Long Branch. I haven't worked at the Peddler for about 12-15 years. For the record, I was told by a really cool police officer last night that a ticket for being caught riding on the boardwalk would include a heafty fine. It would be just my bad luck to be the guy busted for doing so. Hopefully, I'm not the only one out there that is bothered by this situation, and if I am i really don't want to capitalize this message board for my desire to ride my bike. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I'm just going to say this one time, and then i'm going to stop, because nobody is paying obviously not true, talk about beating a dead horse, i agree with others ride your bike at 11 pm , you have better oods of getting struck by lightning then getting a ticket, since you mentioned it, you worked at the peddler in long branch what are their hours for bikes on the bdwalk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury! Post by Sharon Boone
Why is this a racist comment? Do you have the racial demographics of the homeless population? Please forward it to me if you do, otherwise do not stereotype the homeless as one race and assume anyone that is not in favor of the Market Street Mission is a racist. If you do not have the statistics on the racial breakdown of the homeless population, you are being racist by assuming a particular race is the majority of the homeless. By the way, which race did you assume, unless you do have a census you can share with the group, was being discriminated against? Oh, by the way, to make your :What a racist view!... comments easier to find, please take some time and properly format your postings so the group can be enlightened by your wisdom. Oh, signing your accusations is very helpful, as well. Respectfully, Tom Wolfe __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: I'd like to ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/bike/regulations.shtm My question is where was your headlight? If you are riding at night without a headlight and you damage yourself or your bike then that is your fault. Especially when you know the road is in disrepair. Accept the responsibility. Also, if you want to do something do what others have suggested, don't just complain here and expect things to change overnight. Before you go off on me, I ride and race on the bike. I've ridden in major cities around the US including St. Louis and DC both during the day and night. I've also ridden on the boardwalk in AP and don't see the appeal. In summary, do what you want, just realize there are consequences to your actions. You make the choices in your life so take responsibility for them. vinny --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to ride my bike. I'd like to ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm. Thats all i'd like to do, but I can't. And people apparently don't want me to be able to do so, because they don't think bikes and people mix at 11 pm. I figured i'd change the title of this topic in order to force people to understand what i'm asking, because everybody is focusing on the daylight hours, where I agreed over and over that bikes should be banned on the boardwalk. At no time in my posting did I ask to be able to ride during the day. In repeat... I agreed time and time again that biking should be restricted during the beach going hours. It was always at night, around 11 pm. I get the feeling that people are only reading the title of the topic, and merely skimming across the rest of the thread. Last night, I went for a ride at 10:30 pm. It was a beautiful night. I didn't ride on the boardwalk. Instead, I stuck to Ocean Ave. The streetlights on Ocean Ave. were off, so I couldn't see any of the potholes or other things that may damage me or my bike. The boardwalk was deserted. I can assure you of that, because I walked my bike to the boardwalk and sat on a bench for awhile to see how many people I might be endangering at that hour. There we're literally no people there. Perhaps I saw one in the distance coming out of Convention Hall. Maybe one or two more sitting quitely on the benches like I was. So, I get back on my bike, and ride on Ocean Ave, in the dark, fending off potholes and the handful of cars cruising what was once the Circuit. Smelling their exhaust in the cool night air. Sounds like a good time, huh? So I ask you this, at 11 pm when I'd like to ride, do the rules still apply that say bikes and pedestrians don't exist? When there are no pedestrians? Isn't my well being affected when I have to ride on a dark bumpy unsafe road? To be honest, I'd feel much safer riding on the well lit empty boardwalk. If any of you think that there's a clash between pedestrians and cyclists at 11 pm, i'm sorry to say you are quite wrong, unless this is the 6th Sense and i'm endangering the afterlives of the ghosts of boardwalkers past. But this isn't the 6th Sense, and I don't see dead people. I see an empty, beautiful, well lit boardwalk that I love, where i'm not allowed to ride. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'd like to ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm
go for it, then. 1. You have to find an officer to stop you and ask you not to ride. 2. You might find some looney who likes your bike. And for those of you that never did it, there is that special feeling of relief when you ride you bike down the AP boardwalk, through convention hall (and the no bike allowed signs), through the casino etc. It's riding along the Ocean - without a car backing into you. Forget the bikes, let's talk about what a waste golf courses are): Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury! Post by Sharon Boone
I'd like to comment on the Market Street Mission, and my opposition to it. If I understand correctly, the people that are to stay there are to be trucked in from other cities, like Atlantic City and Newark. I also believe that these people will be out on the streets during the daytime. Here's the problem I have with this...let's say some of these people are drug addicts. Boy, they should be really happy, because for them, Asbury is one big drug playground. I know, because I see the evidence of it on my lawn, in the park down the street and around the horrible bungalows on the corner of Kingsley and 1st ave. Maybe some of these people are also alcoholics. So should I prepare myself to clean up an even greater amount of discarded beer and liquor bottles from my front lawn practically every morning? Don't get me wrong, I both feel for, and have empathy for the homeless. I was homeless once myself when I was 18 years old. True, some people wind up homeless due to circumstances beyond there control. But plenty of them wind up on the street because of problems like drugs and alcohol. In closing, since we in a period of rebirth in AP, how is the city going to benefit by adding this shelter? And once new residents start streaming in, how are they going to deal with the increased homeless population? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is this a racist comment? Do you have the racial demographics of the homeless population? Please forward it to me if you do, otherwise do not stereotype the homeless as one race and assume anyone that is not in favor of the Market Street Mission is a racist. If you do not have the statistics on the racial breakdown of the homeless population, you are being racist by assuming a particular race is the majority of the homeless. By the way, which race did you assume, unless you do have a census you can share with the group, was being discriminated against? Oh, by the way, to make your :What a racist view!... comments easier to find, please take some time and properly format your postings so the group can be enlightened by your wisdom. Oh, signing your accusations is very helpful, as well. Respectfully, Tom Wolfe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'd like to ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm
Um...I don't mean to be rude, but how do you know i'm not using a headlight? I have a headlight, but I took it off last night because I intended to make a few stops along the way, and didn't want to risk getting it stolen, as it's rather expensive. I think i'm done on this topic, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the negativity in messages like yours. Especially after you state there's nothing special about riding on the AP boardwalk. It's just another example of somebody who could care less about something that doesn't interest themselves, and isn't willing to consider other peoples opinion. Thanks for listening everybody. I'm now going to devote my attention to another topic that concerns me. Stand Up For Asbury.org --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, vinny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/bike/regulations.shtm My question is where was your headlight? If you are riding at night without a headlight and you damage yourself or your bike then that is your fault. Especially when you know the road is in disrepair. Accept the responsibility. Also, if you want to do something do what others have suggested, don't just complain here and expect things to change overnight. Before you go off on me, I ride and race on the bike. I've ridden in major cities around the US including St. Louis and DC both during the day and night. I've also ridden on the boardwalk in AP and don't see the appeal. In summary, do what you want, just realize there are consequences to your actions. You make the choices in your life so take responsibility for them. vinny --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I'd like to ride my bike. I'd like to ride my bike on the boardwalk at 11 pm. Thats all i'd like to do, but I can't. And people apparently don't want me to be able to do so, because they don't think bikes and people mix at 11 pm. I figured i'd change the title of this topic in order to force people to understand what i'm asking, because everybody is focusing on the daylight hours, where I agreed over and over that bikes should be banned on the boardwalk. At no time in my posting did I ask to be able to ride during the day. In repeat... I agreed time and time again that biking should be restricted during the beach going hours. It was always at night, around 11 pm. I get the feeling that people are only reading the title of the topic, and merely skimming across the rest of the thread. Last night, I went for a ride at 10:30 pm. It was a beautiful night. I didn't ride on the boardwalk. Instead, I stuck to Ocean Ave. The streetlights on Ocean Ave. were off, so I couldn't see any of the potholes or other things that may damage me or my bike. The boardwalk was deserted. I can assure you of that, because I walked my bike to the boardwalk and sat on a bench for awhile to see how many people I might be endangering at that hour. There we're literally no people there. Perhaps I saw one in the distance coming out of Convention Hall. Maybe one or two more sitting quitely on the benches like I was. So, I get back on my bike, and ride on Ocean Ave, in the dark, fending off potholes and the handful of cars cruising what was once the Circuit. Smelling their exhaust in the cool night air. Sounds like a good time, huh? So I ask you this, at 11 pm when I'd like to ride, do the rules still apply that say bikes and pedestrians don't exist? When there are no pedestrians? Isn't my well being affected when I have to ride on a dark bumpy unsafe road? To be honest, I'd feel much safer riding on the well lit empty boardwalk. If any of you think that there's a clash between pedestrians and cyclists at 11 pm, i'm sorry to say you are quite wrong, unless this is the 6th Sense and i'm endangering the afterlives of the ghosts of boardwalkers past. But this isn't the 6th Sense, and I don't see dead people. I see an empty, beautiful, well lit boardwalk that I love, where i'm not allowed to ride. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: fighting a mission is a futile action
Before I respond to your reply, I must first ask you, do you ever make a posting or a reply without the word racist? It seems that is your response to those that oppose your views. Please offer thoughtful arguments in the place of politically charged words. Now, to your comments about my posting: The assumption is not that all homeless people are felons or sexual offenders. The assumption is that since the other shelters will not allow homeless people have been convicted of felonies or sexual crimes that some of the forty beds of the Market Street shelter will contain felons and/or sex offenders since the Market Street Shelter does not check criminal backgrounds of their clients. Sharon, can you or any one else guarantee that without the same background checks the County and the Salvation Army use that this will not be the case? If so, please elaborate how to the group. I deal with homeless people every day at my work. I place them in ambulances to get treatment for their health problems. I help find the people that hit them in the head with a bottle and steal the little possessions they have because the bad guy thinks they will get away with it. I try get them emergency housing, even when they are afraid of the very shelters that can help them due to the same problems with theft in the very place they seek refuge. Oh, by the way, the homeless people I deal with are a mixture of White, Black, and Hispanic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom Wolfe me@ wrote: Is it just me or did concerned heterosexual citizens voice concerns on this issue. I do remember them being concerned that the Market Street Mission will not be performing background checks via Social Security Numbers as the County and the Salvation Army do. This would mean the felons and the Megan's Law sex offenders that they would turn away could stay at Asbury Ave Memorial. They would be released around 7 AM out onto the street where a children's school bus stop is, not to mention a clear walking path for teenagers heading north to the high school from AP's southside. While heterosexuals are not the only ones that have children in Asbury Park, the majority of children in the at-risk proposed area around the Mission seem to belong to heterosexual parents. Please ask the families over here how they feel about the prospect of sex offenders and felons around the corner from where their children play due to Market Street's decision not to perform the most minimum efforts to ensure their children's safety and I am sure that you will here those deafening heterosexual voices against the mission. Respectfully, Tom You assume, that that's what they are! Sex offenders and felons. Not just men who are down and out! Some have posted here, that we already have too many in this community. Where, pray tell! The night my husband suffered a heart attack, JSMC had several in their emergency room, due to the severe cold, 1/31/06. If you had seen their condition, you'd rethink your statement. In a country of plenty, the homeless have nowhere to go, kids go to sleep hungry, every night, while you sleep in your warm home, loft or condo, while kids on the west side sleep in roach and rat infested, slums, while the north east live in splendor! All I can say is remember Katrina. That's the face of America and its' racist policies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Bike Paths Dead Horses
...so people in cars are suddenly gonna grow eyes? Cars and bikes don't mix at any speed. The cars aremost likelygonna go over the 25 mph limit, and the bikes will be under it at times. __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Jersey Shore Rescue Mission Redevelopment
Sharon, Where'd you get the idea that the Homeless will be trucked in from other cities, like Atlantic City and Newark? That's Absurd! There are enough Homeless within a 2 Mile Radius of Asbury Park to keep the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission going indefinitely into the future! What really amazes me is that so many people have NO Idea of what even Causes Homelessness, either here or elsewhere! Homelessness will get worse worse into our future, because even lower tier Middle Class People, of any Race, are now having severe problems just getting by in NJ! But in Asbury Park, our population is 60% Afro-American 17% Hispanic, and the Median Income is only $24,000, compared to about $56,000 or higher in the County. With a combination of the Oceanfront Redevelopment, the Puppet Leaders refusing to support Rent Control and Affordable Housing and a lack of Living Wage Jobs for the Poor linked to a Training Program, and rapidly escalating Real Estate Values Taxes, Homelessness will grow fast here! And as long as the Mayor, Loffredo Bruno GIVE the City away to the Fishmans and everyone else making money here now, the people on the bottom of the ladder will NEVER have a chance! The poor have mostly been chased out of Trenton and are being moved out of Philly as we converse. When you have people with NO conscience and NO sense of Social Responsibility controlling the entire future of a City, one cannot expect for the weak and needy to be helped at all! As far as the problems with Drugs, Prostitution, Gangs and Violence goes, our ills and imbalances in Society ARE what causes those things to flourish in the first place! The Redevelopment is causing more and more people to TURN to Crime because less and less of them can afford to pay their Rents anymore! And Fort Monmouth's impending shut down will hurt the Middle Class in Monmouth County as much as the poor are getting hurt HERE in Asbury from the poorly planned Redevelopment! What's missing here is that the Have's making money from Redevelopment fail to realize their Social, Moral and Religious responsibility they need to live up to which would balance off the short comings which are taking place! But seriously, Sharon, before making false assumptions that the Rescue Mission is going to CREATE Homelessness here, you should speak to Dave Scott about it, since he knows the Stats and has been running the Morristown one for years! Furthermore, if our National Leaders would be responsible and raise the minimum wage high enough to live on, which it Was in 1970, then Poverty would decline and so would Homelessness Nationwide! And after WWII, there was a National Rent Control in place for a while due to dire circumstances, and it worked very well! For those of you who are Christian out there, all you have to do is look at Matthew 25:31-46, James 2:14-18 and Deuteronomy 15: 7-11 to see that helping the Poor isn't an OPTION, but a Command from God for us to be Socially responsible to do! But there are too many Greedy and False Christians out there to really DO what should be done today! And Homelessness isn't a Racial Problem, it's an economic one! But in a City that's 78% Minority, of course there'll be more non-whites who are Homeless! And they ARE discriminated against, too! But Nationally, there are more whites both on Welfare AND Homeless! It's just that most of them are in Southern States! Asbury Park is a Social Mess that's getting Worse, NOT better! As the Buildings get fixed, the People are getting SCREWED! And many People WILL lose their Souls in the Process which is unfolding! Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to comment on the Market Street Mission, and my opposition to it. If I understand correctly, the people that are to stay there are to be trucked in from other cities, like Atlantic City and Newark. I also believe that these people will be out on the streets during the daytime. Here's the problem I have with this...let's say some of these people are drug addicts. Boy, they should be really happy, because for them, Asbury is one big drug playground. I know, because I see the evidence of it on my lawn, in the park down the street and around the horrible bungalows on the corner of Kingsley and 1st ave. Maybe some of these people are also alcoholics. So should I prepare myself to clean up an even greater amount of discarded beer and liquor bottles from my front lawn practically every morning? Don't get me wrong, I both feel for, and have empathy for the homeless. I was homeless once myself when I was 18 years old. True, some people wind up homeless due to circumstances beyond there control. But plenty of them wind up on the street because of problems like drugs and alcohol. In closing, since we in a period of rebirth in AP, how is the city going to benefit by adding this shelter? And once new residents start streaming in, how are they going to deal with the
Re: [AsburyPark] Bike Paths Dead Horses
Well, from what I gather from the posts that disagree with me, it seems that people would rather have us cyclists contend with the disrespectful cars. They want to protect the pedestrians, But they don't seem to care about us. Bicycling doesn't pollute, doesn't use gas and it's good for your health. Oh, and besides all that, it can be fun too. I think our country as a whole just doesn't care about the bicycle anymore. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jersey Shore Rescue Mission Redevelopment
Greetings, Sharon didn't write the comment about trucking in people. I did. I got my information from standupforasbury.org, both from the website and from a phone discussion. This is what stand up states; The Mission is not offering a community service it will serve the homeless and drug abusers from Newark to Atlantic City Could anyone provide clarification for this, because it sounds to me like this mission will serve people other then from AP. If I'm wrong about this, I stand corrected. My major concern here is a worsening of the situation that has been a part of Asbury's downfall. I, for one don't want to see our city further damaged by people who don't know how to respect their city. You do make some good points though Steve. But one thing I'd like to say...if somebody becomes homeless due to the socio-economic problems you've mentioned, does that mean they begin to lose their morals too, and begin to do things like puke on my front lawn, throw liquor bottles on my front lawn, buy and deal drugs etc? I guess some will, and others will take action to better there lives, because the alternatives are just a dead end street. I encountered a women this evening who claims she recently became homeless at 44 because her husband was beating her. She was stinking of alcohol, and she seemed fairly intelligent. Sadly, she admitted to me the only way she can survive is by selling her body. It's really depressing to think that there is nothing else she can do to survive. If you are correct Steve, then the future looks pretty bleak. In closing, it will forever amaze and sadden me that our poor little city is suffering, while on the other side of Deal lake, just north of here things are quite nice. I lived in that nice place for 10 years...Allenhurst...and even though i'm very well versed in the history of Asbury, I still can't imagine how in 2006 our city is so troubled in so many ways. Sincerely, Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharon, Where'd you get the idea that the Homeless will be trucked in from other cities, like Atlantic City and Newark? That's Absurd! There are enough Homeless within a 2 Mile Radius of Asbury Park to keep the Jersey Shore Rescue Mission going indefinitely into the future! What really amazes me is that so many people have NO Idea of what even Causes Homelessness, either here or elsewhere! Homelessness will get worse worse into our future, because even lower tier Middle Class People, of any Race, are now having severe problems just getting by in NJ! But in Asbury Park, our population is 60% Afro-American 17% Hispanic, and the Median Income is only $24,000, compared to about $56,000 or higher in the County. With a combination of the Oceanfront Redevelopment, the Puppet Leaders refusing to support Rent Control and Affordable Housing and a lack of Living Wage Jobs for the Poor linked to a Training Program, and rapidly escalating Real Estate Values Taxes, Homelessness will grow fast here! And as long as the Mayor, Loffredo Bruno GIVE the City away to the Fishmans and everyone else making money here now, the people on the bottom of the ladder will NEVER have a chance! The poor have mostly been chased out of Trenton and are being moved out of Philly as we converse. When you have people with NO conscience and NO sense of Social Responsibility controlling the entire future of a City, one cannot expect for the weak and needy to be helped at all! As far as the problems with Drugs, Prostitution, Gangs and Violence goes, our ills and imbalances in Society ARE what causes those things to flourish in the first place! The Redevelopment is causing more and more people to TURN to Crime because less and less of them can afford to pay their Rents anymore! And Fort Monmouth's impending shut down will hurt the Middle Class in Monmouth County as much as the poor are getting hurt HERE in Asbury from the poorly planned Redevelopment! What's missing here is that the Have's making money from Redevelopment fail to realize their Social, Moral and Religious responsibility they need to live up to which would balance off the short comings which are taking place! But seriously, Sharon, before making false assumptions that the Rescue Mission is going to CREATE Homelessness here, you should speak to Dave Scott about it, since he knows the Stats and has been running the Morristown one for years! Furthermore, if our National Leaders would be responsible and raise the minimum wage high enough to live on, which it Was in 1970, then Poverty would decline and so would Homelessness Nationwide! And after WWII, there was a National Rent Control in place for a while due to dire circumstances, and it worked very well! For those of you who are Christian out there, all you have to do is look at Matthew 25:31-46, James 2:14-18 and Deuteronomy 15: 7-11 to see that helping the Poor
