[AsburyPark] Re: Library Flag Pole
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should the present City Council let a tree stayed growed around a Flag Pole at our Library in town??It was Donated in 1962 by the Harold Daley VFW Post.Who is in charge of cutting the grass,bushes trees in that area?? James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Aliance Asbury Park N.J. the library is run by appointees made by mayor and council,it is a seperarte board or entity, they have their own budget, their own maintenance staff (patty, one of the hardest workers in the City)who maintains the bldg. anf grounds. their bd. is made up of great people, like Doris Carol and others, im sure if you attended one of their meetings and made your complaint, they would take care of it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
To borrow a line, No Brag, Just Fact (A drink to the first person to identify the source of that) Werner Walter Brennan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Another shooting in Asbury.
I heard this happen with my own ears yesterday. ASBURY PARK A city resident was shot in the shoulder Sunday afternoon while he was standing outside a home in a residential neighborhood, police said. Jahmere Crooms, 18, was shot outside of 408 Comstock St., Sgt. Todd Wilson said. Crooms was taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune, where his injuries are not believed to be life-threathening, Wilson said. Crooms gave police few details about the shooting, saying only that he was hanging out when he was shot, Wilson said. Connie Davis, who lives at the southeast corner of Comstock and Bangs streets, said she was sitting in her living room when bullets whizzed into her home. Right now, I'm just happy to be here, said Davis, who is considering moving out of her home of four years. And to think that this happened in broad daylight on a Sunday. Wilson said he could not verify that Davis' home had been shot at. Another neighbor at the intersection, who wished not to be named for fear of retaliation, said she was selling clothes outside of her son's home with several family members when she heard gunshots and saw several people running north on Comstock Street. What could we do? We just ran inside, she said. People say this corner is pretty hot. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope that you and everyone here will note that Werner attacked me first on this. I am not concerned about the attacks, and I am not attacking you. But I am serious, you know the history of AP but you are no historian in the true sense of the word. What would you save I ask? I'll let Werner speak for himself, but from what I know of him, he is not trying to return AP to another era. He is not stuck in history, but rather, wants to enusre that the redevelopment reflects and respects the architectural fabric of the city. Above all I believe he wants good design principles followed and does not want instrusion upon the public space the City founders gave to future generations. If you were truly serious about the history of AP you would use your formidable influence with your buddies on the Council to pass an ordinance creating a historical preservation body with enforcement teeth. A city, town, etc., does not have to have a single style of architecture in order to have historic preservation. In fact, a myriad of styles might be the very reason why preservation is necessary. And if you think only in terms of architectural merit, than you are missing the other important reasons for historical preservation. For instance, I have taken the text below from the FAQ section of NYC Landmark's. What is a landmark? A landmark is a building, property, or object that has been designated by the Landmarks Preservation Commission because it has a special character or special historical or aesthetic interest or value as part of the development, heritage, or cultural characteristics of the city, state, or nation. Landmarks are not always buildings. A landmark may be a bridge, a park, a water tower, a pier, a cemetery, a building lobby, a sidewalk clock, a fence, or even a tree. A property or object is eligible for landmark status when at least part of it is thirty years old or older. Why is it important to designate and protect landmarks and historic districts? As the Landmarks Law states, protection of these resources serves the following purposes: 1. Safeguarding the city's historic, aesthetic, and cultural heritage; 2. Helping to stabilize and improve property values in historic districts; 3. Encouraging civic pride in the beauty and accomplishments of the past; 4. Protecting and enhancing the city's attractions for tourists, thereby benefitting business and industry; 5. Strengthening the city's economy; and 6. Promoting the use of landmarks for the education, pleasure, and welfare of the people of the city. You call the Casino CH's ugly sister. I think that is proof enough that you are no historian. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fred
How about those Mets! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
I, too, love the poor Casino, and agree with you. This man has the heart of a developer, not the love of an historian. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Fred
Yeah, How about those Mets! They kicked some serious ass last night. And I don't even like watching baseball! Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about those Mets! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fred
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about those Mets! Yeah yeah yeah I guess you're praying for a rainout Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The eastern side is beyond repair that's being replaced. The western side is going nowhere. Did you see the concept drawing for the Casio at the last council meeting? It looks good. I think Werner would like iy. I, too, love the poor Casino, and agree with you. This man has the heart of a developer, not the love of an historian. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fred
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: How about those Mets! Yeah yeah yeah I guess you're praying for a rainout Didn't you hear WIlly when they asked him last night about that? He said Glavine is ready to go. They want no delay. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, samlorac@ wrote: The eastern side is beyond repair that's being replaced. The western side is going nowhere. Did you see the concept drawing for the Casio at the last council meeting? It looks good. I think Werner would like iy. The issue is Tommy's claim as a historian who wants to see the whole thing torn down and not rebuilt. I am assuming the last part because he thinks it is ugly in design and not neglect. The rebuilt is supposed to echo what was demolished. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
No, I haven't seen it. Is it anywhere online? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you save I ask? I would apply the facts to the Presevation Standard, and if the building met the standard it would be saved. If it didn't it wouldn't. I would not, under any circumstances as a historian, use my own preferences. That would make me an activist and not a Historian. Anyone not using objective standards is doing it wrong. Werner...does not want...instrusion upon the public space the City founders gave to future generations. Dead hand control. I'd rather make my own way in the world. What space particularly are you referring to here? For instance, I have taken the text below from the FAQ section of NYC Landmark's. What is a landmark? A landmark is a building, property, or object that has been designated by the Landmarks Preservation Commission because it has a special character or special historical or aesthetic interest or value as part of the development, heritage, or cultural characteristics of the city, state, or nation. The Standards I wrote for the Historical Society are better because they aren't so vague. I'll try to dig them up. You call the Casino CH's ugly sister. I think that is proof enough that you are no historian. As I've tried to stress before, no one's peronal preferences about a building's design is relevent to whether it is historical, not mine and not Werner's. We must apply objective standards. Under objective standards, the Casin doesn't cut it. As for my personal opinion, it could very well be the ugliest building in the State. And, it never, ever, had any hitorically important past. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I, too, love the poor Casino, and agree with you. This man has the
heart of
a developer, not the love of an historian.
This may surprise you, but I'm inclined to agree with you. Historic
Preservation takes place in the businenss world that runs on
thinking and money, not hugs.
The Historic Preservationists in the City are O for... They've
saved nothing that I know of, because they used their hearts without
their brains. They ignored economics.
If they had taken my advice and separated Tillie's portion of the
building {circa 1950's] from the 1888 Carosel House they might
[might] have had a better shot of saving it [but I think it couldn't
have been saved anyway].
If they had taken my advice and prioritized instead of putting all
their energy behind a stupid Cartoon face, they might have been able
to save something worthwhile.
If they had taken my advice that Fishman, with deal in hand, won't
change what he has for the same money or less money [why would he?],
but if we sat down with him to make some trades with a net result
being that he would make more money [not in theory or investment but
real upfront dollars], then he would listen. That's negotiating 101.
They didn't listen to me. In fact, the Historical Society didn't
even listen to Werner (if I recall they voted him out).
I know you meant your comment toward me as an observation detracting
from my status as Historian, but I've taken it as an endorsement.
I do use my heart, but never without my head.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, samlorac@ wrote: a 40 year old pitcher on 3 days rest is a no no. He won't last 5 innings. Plus the 2nd time around favors the hitter(that goes for both teams) The eastern side is beyond repair that's being replaced. The western side is going nowhere. Did you see the concept drawing for the Casio at the last council meeting? It looks good. I think Werner would like iy. The issue is Tommy's claim as a historian who wants to see the whole thing torn down and not rebuilt. I am assuming the last part because he thinks it is ugly in design and not neglect. The rebuilt is supposed to echo what was demolished. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would not, under any circumstances as a historian, use my own preferences. That would make me an activist and not a Historian. Anyone not using objective standards is doing it wrong. All standards are objective. Setting them down on paper or codifying does not make them any less so. You are beginning to sound like an engineer. When I started in this business I worked with a fellow who started out as an engineer. Like most, everything had to be proven to him beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is rarely ever any such certainty. Our boss got fed up with him and told us a story about an engineer and a farmer. They were both brought into an empty room. On the other side of the room was a naked and voluptuous woman. They were told that the object was to get to the woman. They could take as many steps as they wanted, however, they were told that each successive step could only be half the distance of the prior step. The engineer surveyed the distance, thought about it a minute and said, it's impossible, I can never physically get there. The farmer on the other hand, surveyed the distance, scratched his chin and said, I can get close enough. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
Tom, I agree with what you say. Hostorian is self proclaimed and I understand your point for historian and activist. While I am not a big fan of writing style of theTri City(tries too hard to be edgy) I do enjoy your writings. Good to see you back on this board - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:06:43 PMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "dfsavgny" [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: What would you save I ask?I would apply the facts to the Presevation Standard, and if the building met the standard it would be saved. If it didn't it wouldn't.I would not, under any circumstances as a historian, use my own preferences. That would make me an activist and not a Historian. Anyone not using objective standards is doing it wrong. Werner...does not want...instrusion upon the public space the City founders gave to future generations.Dead hand control. I'd rather make my own way in the world. What space particularly are you referring to here? For instance, I have taken the text below from the FAQ section of NYC Landmark's. "What is a landmark? A landmark is a building, property, or object that has been designated by the Landmarks Preservation Commission because it has a special character or special historical or aesthetic interest or value as part of the development, heritage, or cultural characteristics of the city, state, or nation.The Standards I wrote for the Historical Society are better because they aren't so vague. I'll try to dig them up. You call the Casino CH's ugly sister. I think that is proof enough that you are no historian.As I've tried to stress before, no one's peronal preferences about a building's design is relevent to whether it is historical, not mine and not Werner's. We must apply objective standards.Under objective standards, the Casin doesn't cut it.As for my personal opinion, it could very well be the ugliest building in the State. And, it never, ever, had any hitorically important past. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a 40 year old pitcher on 3 days rest is a no no. Not the best of circumstances, but what a bunches of prima donnas these days. He won't last 5 innings. That's all that should be expected of him. If Met bats are alive that's all we'll need from him. BTW, you're right, his ERA on 3 days goes way up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
You know what Tommy, it's people like you that are transforming America in to one safe homogeneous place to live. Just like the background of a Flintstones cartoon, where you see the same house, tree, rock and cloud go by over and over. Asbury had a unique character. So much so that I brought people to our town from all over the country. Take a look at the jacket photo in Helen Pikes book. A boardwalk filled with people. Once, on the Honeymooners, Ralph proudly told Alice that he was taking her to Asbury Park. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the next incarnation of Asbury will become a destination for people. Why go to Asbury with it's gunfire and crime when you can go to Pier Village? The character and history of AP has been wiped off the map, and in it's place we'll have condos and retail. Great. Nothing fun about that. Nothing cultural about that. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: What would you save I ask? I would apply the facts to the Presevation Standard, and if the building met the standard it would be saved. If it didn't it wouldn't. I would not, under any circumstances as a historian, use my own preferences. That would make me an activist and not a Historian. Anyone not using objective standards is doing it wrong. Werner...does not want...instrusion upon the public space the City founders gave to future generations. Dead hand control. I'd rather make my own way in the world. What space particularly are you referring to here? For instance, I have taken the text below from the FAQ section of NYC Landmark's. What is a landmark? A landmark is a building, property, or object that has been designated by the Landmarks Preservation Commission because it has a special character or special historical or aesthetic interest or value as part of the development, heritage, or cultural characteristics of the city, state, or nation. The Standards I wrote for the Historical Society are better because they aren't so vague. I'll try to dig them up. You call the Casino CH's ugly sister. I think that is proof enough that you are no historian. As I've tried to stress before, no one's peronal preferences about a building's design is relevent to whether it is historical, not mine and not Werner's. We must apply objective standards. Under objective standards, the Casin doesn't cut it. As for my personal opinion, it could very well be the ugliest building in the State. And, it never, ever, had any hitorically important past. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dead hand control. I'd rather make my own way in the world. What space particularly are you referring to here? Green acres, public rows, streets, parks. The Standards I wrote for the Historical Society are better because they aren't so vague. I'll try to dig them up. Those were not standards. Tom, the NYCLPC was the first landmark's commission in the US, and the Brooklyn Heights district ws the first designated and protected landmark in the country. I am sorry, but although I disgree with them often, I will defer to their expertise over yours. You assume that criteria for judgment can be exact and specific. The law itself cannot cover all bases yet you expect standards for abstractions and aesthetics to do so? Under objective standards, the Casin doesn't cut it. Tom, time to get off the stuff. Just being a work of Warren and Whitmore qualifies it. You have the same mindset that led to the demolition of the old Penn Station. And, it never, ever, had any hitorically important past. It just gets worse with you. Did a judge ever tell you that you would do well by yourself to quit while you're ahead? What qualifies as historical significance to you? Do you not understand the concept if it is culturally important? It was a public space. You keep referencing the Historical Society. No offense, but in the end it is tantamount to a garden club is it not? Is it an official body? Does it have enforcement powers? Instead of advising the groups trying to save buildings why have you not, and are not, lobbying the council to create an official body for historic preservation? You ask why would Fishman do something that would make him less money. I thank you for reminding me where the blame lies once again. I find no fault with Fishman for that, except his and his buddies' shortsightedness and inexperience. The blame lies with those in the city who negotiated and APPROVED this deal. I think there are three infamous persons still in power who are responsible for the latter. Lastly, and unconnected to this, I wonder why Tom Gilmour chooses to promote the movies at the Paramount in his weekly email blast but does not do the same for the Baronet. Hmmm? I know that you will (rightly) tell me to ask him. Just food for thought. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a 40 year old pitcher on 3 days rest is a no no. He won't last 5 innings. On second thought Fred, why should this be a stretch for you? You think one man (Duany) can successfully redesign an entire city in only 8 days. I think Duany is older than 40. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what Tommy, it's people like you that are transforming America in to one safe homogeneous place to live. Safe I'm ok with. Homogeneous? I described how we will add our archetectural stamp to 3 prior ones. Isn't that the opposite of homogeneous? Asbury had a unique character. So much so that I brought people to our town from all over the country. If you mean achetechture, then no, Asbury had no style unique to itself. Other than that, every place has a character. I think you mean Asbury Park had a really good one. HAD. We can make it good again. But no, it will never be a place that people from all over the country visit. Look around you. Monmouth County has changed. We are not a tourist destination anymore. We are not in Tarvel Agent rolladexes across the country as we used to be. Take a look at the jacket photo in Helen Pikes book. A boardwalk filled with people. I'm very familiar with Helen's Book. I underwrote the launching of it. You know, 'cause I care about history. Once, on the Honeymooners, Ralph proudly told Alice that he was taking her to Asbury Park. Ralph also bought stock in a Uranium field in Asbury Park. That doesn't make us special either (my dear friend has an Asbury Park Urnaiumn Field Company Stock Certificate that he won't sell me, no matter how much I offer him). Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the next incarnation of Asbury will become a destination for people. It isn't supposed to be a destination. That's what the plan is all about - residential growth - not tourism. Why go to Asbury with it's gunfire and crime when you can go to Pier Village? A reasonable question. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The kind of people the Fishmans are
A little long but a good read. Thanks to Maureen's saie for pointing me to it. These are the bums we are held hostage by. Torres' lien deals leave Paterson in dire straits Sunday, October 15, 2006 By TOM MEAGHER HERALD NEWS Interactive map: Languishing land in Paterson PATERSON -- Two years ago, Paterson faced fiscal ruin. Mayor Jose Joey Torres needed to find a windfall to make up for a $9 million deficit in the municipal budget, and he needed it fast. He and his advisers assembled a battery of fundraising options. Torres seized on the most expedient: to sell in one tidy package hundreds of liens against undesirable properties whose owners had failed to pay taxes. But by selling off the city's delinquent tax liens -- many of which had languished for years after failing to sell at public auctions -- Torres made a deal with an unlikely savior, investor Glen Fishman. Torres sold Fishman Paterson's one remaining vital resource for the construction of desperately needed affordable housing -- land. By doing so, he handed the reins of the city's rebirth to Fishman, a developer with little track record of success. Then, when the city's coffers once more threatened to implode in 2005, Torres did it again. RELATED STORIES - --- Herald News: Torres' lien deals leave Paterson in dire straits Herald News: Affordable housing hurt by lien sale 'circus' Herald News: What's a lien? This time, Fishman, a businessman who has long invested in undervalued land in New Jersey's depressed and downtrodden cities, agreed to purchase a derelict and abandoned downtown property, giving the city millions to help it remain solvent for another 12 months. Today, the cost of running the state's third-largest city continues to outpace the value of its property taxes, but Torres has run out of quick fixes: n The lien sales cost the city millions of dollars in potential revenue and emptied its supply of neglected properties, an analysis of city and county land records by the Herald News has found. n Nonprofit community development organizations now must pay full market value for land they once could buy for a pittance -- cheap land they need in order to build affordable housing in the city. n The downtown lot sold to Fishman in 2005 to balance the budget still sits empty, a few bulldozers just beginning to dig. And now Torres has run out of property, money and options to keep the city afloat. Paterson no longer has any chips with which to barter its way back to financial health and this year, turned to the state for a more than $30 million bailout. In turn, the state has taken greater control of Paterson's spending. A potential solution In the early months of 2004, the city was in the process of foreclosing on scores of properties all but abandoned by owners. The Wayne law firm of Rubin Connelly had spent nearly a year working to push the liens through legal hurdles required for the city to foreclose, and thus own the properties outright. But as the mayor saw it, any revenue from the foreclosures -- no matter how soon they happened -- would be too late to make a difference in the city's sinking bottom line. You're not guaranteeing what type of money you're getting (with foreclosures), Torres said in a recent interview. We needed an infusion of cash. So, in May 2004, the mayor placed liens against 161 lots up for sale to the highest bidder. In the following weeks, the city's financial consultants from Livingston-based Goldman, Beale Associates warned against the hasty approach of the mayor's proposed sale. The City could (over time) foreclose on the properties and in turn sell them via a public auction. For certain of the properties, that may well get a better result ... wrote consultant Neil Grossman in a memo to Marge Cherone, who was then the city's finance director. The private lien holder appears to be obtaining some of those properties at well below 'full value.' Ultimately, the consultants approved the deal because of the fast cash it would bring. The highest bidder and the city's financial lifesaver was Lakewood developer Glen Fishman. Backed by the capital of the New York-based investment firm M.D. Sass, Fishman bought liens against 143 properties, many of them in the city's poorest neighborhoods on the Northside and in the 4th Ward, for $2.4 million. With ownership of the liens, Fishman and M.D. Sass could either collect taxes owed the city, along with interest, or foreclose on the properties and own them for a fraction of the land's fair market value. Fishman did not return repeated telephone calls, beginning on Sept. 22, seeking comment on this story. He would not respond to a list of 24 questions e-mailed to his spokeswoman at her request. Instead, she issued a statement on his behalf summarizing his companies' $17 million investment in Paterson and their intent
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, the NYCLPC was the first landmark's commission in the US, and the Brooklyn Heights district was the first designated and protected landmark in the country. I am sorry, but although I disgree with them often, I will defer to their expertise over yours. First doesn't always mean best. Heck, Delaware was first. Why you would ever believe in those guys from NY over your follow AP'er is beyond me :-) You assume that criteria for judgment can be exact and specific. The law itself cannot cover all bases yet you expect standards for abstractions and aesthetics to do so? It isn't me assuming, my good man! My standards used wighted averages. Very flexible and open to debate. The only veto was in areas of economics. Putting buildings on Historic Registers drive up the cost of renovation so much so it can actually lead to the destruction of the building. That's what happened to the Palace. Like some sort of Greek Tragedy, the Save Tillie people were the most responsible for knocking that place down by driving up renovation costs. As for the Casino, if just being a public space makes it important, then I guess you would save our ugly train station? Warren and Wetmore aren't Gods. They did good work and bad. Just look at both ends of our boardwalk. Certain people can get a pass for less than good work just on the importance of their name - Da Vinci, Michealangelo. Not Warren and Wetmore. They get judged. I judge that they designed the Casino on a drunken Holloween night. I will re-issue a challange I made on this board about a year ago. Someone please find me anyone who remembers going to a show at the Casino. The place was routinely boarded up when I was a kid and I'm 43. You have to find someone in their 60's or 70's who may have caught a show there, and the show I bet will be insignificant like a circus or something. The place simply lacks any important human history whatsoever. It's ugly. There is less of it than more of it, so you wouldn't realy be saving it anyway. This argument runs the same as the rest about old buildings in AP - the people who knew the place in years past say knock it down, those who never saw it ane are over-romanitcizing it want to keep it. Honest question: Why does that keep happening? We are arguing over nothing anyway, because the Casino is going to be saved. You know Asbury Park - why have one empty, barely used Convention Center when we can have two! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
You're right. It's been redesigned for residential growth. But does that mean the erasure of the history that put Asbury on the map is right? If it wasn't for the history that put Asbury on the map on the first place, nobody outside of Monmouth County would've ever heard of it. And that's going to be what happens in the future. I guess if we want The Jewel of the Jersey Shore to be only a destination to live in, great. Unfortunately, it's gonna be hard to find people to move to that Jewel until crime is brought under control. Last night, I got to hear my first ever live gun shots. It seems that every week or 2, there's an article in the Press about another shooting or other crime. And, you are wrong saying that Asbury had no character. Absolute BS. Judging from your opinions about Tilly and the Casino, I don't think you have the ability to judge what is and isn't character. When I first encountered Asbury in the 60's, I saw amazing movie theaters, swan boats, a boardwalk full of amazing rides, the smells of Criterion Chocolates. Do you not consider those things character? Unfortunatly, the powers that be wrongly decided that those things don't matter either, so they allowed them to be erased. If Asbury becomes another Pier Village...which it seems it will...my romance with Asbury will be over. It'll just be another crappy, crowded and boring place to live. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: You know what Tommy, it's people like you that are transforming America in to one safe homogeneous place to live. Safe I'm ok with. Homogeneous? I described how we will add our archetectural stamp to 3 prior ones. Isn't that the opposite of homogeneous? Asbury had a unique character. So much so that I brought people to our town from all over the country. If you mean achetechture, then no, Asbury had no style unique to itself. Other than that, every place has a character. I think you mean Asbury Park had a really good one. HAD. We can make it good again. But no, it will never be a place that people from all over the country visit. Look around you. Monmouth County has changed. We are not a tourist destination anymore. We are not in Tarvel Agent rolladexes across the country as we used to be. Take a look at the jacket photo in Helen Pikes book. A boardwalk filled with people. I'm very familiar with Helen's Book. I underwrote the launching of it. You know, 'cause I care about history. Once, on the Honeymooners, Ralph proudly told Alice that he was taking her to Asbury Park. Ralph also bought stock in a Uranium field in Asbury Park. That doesn't make us special either (my dear friend has an Asbury Park Urnaiumn Field Company Stock Certificate that he won't sell me, no matter how much I offer him). Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that the next incarnation of Asbury will become a destination for people. It isn't supposed to be a destination. That's what the plan is all about - residential growth - not tourism. Why go to Asbury with it's gunfire and crime when you can go to Pier Village? A reasonable question. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] and some think Canada Geeses are a problem
This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of Pennsylvania. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County Dear Mr. DeVries: It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative and Water Management Division. Here is the actual response sent back by Mr. DeVries: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County Dear Mr. Price, Your certified letter dated 12/17/02 has been handed to me to respond to. I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane, Trout Run, Pennsylvania. A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials debris. I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity. My first dam question to you is: (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation -- so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the stream restored to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers -- but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more
[AsburyPark] Re: and some think Canada Geeses are a problem
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of Pennsylvania. This guy's response is hilarious, but read the State's letter before you get to the response letter. Priceless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Operators of Berkeley Carteret
I got a lead on the Berkeley - at least who is going to be operating it, which is sometimes can be more important than who owns it. Please check the home page www.asburyradio.com Running out to teach my class on how to do your own radio show - come on down and sign up at Red Bank Regional H.S. tonight! Also, don't miss the link to the Herald News article about Fishman in Paterson. Not going well... Thanks, Maureen Nevin Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: a 40 year old pitcher on 3 days rest is a no no. He won't last 5 innings. I believe he brought 12 people with him and he was in town several times that lasted more than 2 weeks. On second thought Fred, why should this be a stretch for you? You think one man (Duany) can successfully redesign an entire city in only 8 days. I think Duany is older than 40. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe he brought 12 people with him and he was in town several times that lasted more than 2 weeks. There are only two published reports. One states 7 days and the other 8 days (actually 8 meetings). I know that others came. He could bring in 1200 and they could not make a reasonable design in that time. All they did was review and rubber stamp John Clarke's stuff. They designed nothing themselves. This was a dog and pony show. I wish it weren't so but it was. It was a $175K payoff (Duany's fee paid by Fishman's escrow) by Asbury Partners. Nothing but going through the motions. More than 4 years later and there is nothing to show for it. Tommy likes Duany because Duany wanted CH, Casino et al to go through. In fact, I think Duany said we should be pleased that Fishman was going to give us money for them. The old stock market boiler room. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
On Oct 16, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Hinge wrote: x-tad-bigger I guess if we want The Jewel of the Jersey Shore to be only a/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger destination to live in, great. /x-tad-bigger See Hinge touches upon the hypocrisy of Asbury Park. The town desperately wants to hold on to its tourist past (because it knows that places like Cookman Ave will be in trouble with only residents) while certain people in power want the town to morph into residential only. Meanwhile, the beautiful images shown behind the Council each week are of Asbury's past and the images shown on the flag poles throughout town are of Asbury's past and the images used on the city's marketing is generally of Asbury's past. I still believe that the majority of the people voting in the past elections thought the redevelopment plan was a mix of tourism and residential. Instead, the tourism parts get forgotten with each passing year. There will be no new hotels, no new entertainment areas... in fact, I'd be amazed if there was any entertainment in Asbury Park in ten years time. God knows, Convention Hall is the most underused facility of its type in New Jersey. How virtually every county can support several similar facilities and have them all seem to do well is beyond me. Asbury books about 2 events per month at CH. Tommy, you know I really admire you for your love of the town which is why I want to ask you this one question. I know you are looking forwards to the day when Asbury Park is a nice, safe place to raise a family and live... So my question is: Do you envision any of the nightclubs or bars that are currently in Asbury Park to be there when that vision is realized? My take is that since they own the Stone Pony (and seemingly fail to realize its importance/potential) it will be gone and I'm not confident it will be moved or rebuilt elsewhere. I think Asbury Lanes will lose their fight over emminent domain. The Wonder Bar will simply thank Larry for giving them a few years in which they won over the majority of the town (a reason I believe they should be allowed to remain); and sadly, I think the Saint will be gone as well. Once the oceanfront is finished and Cookman Ave is finished, Asbury Park will try to clean up Main Street. And you've gotta know that Scott Stamper and his club have a giant bulls eye on their front door. So, there you have it. The very places that kept the town alive for a few decades when nothing else (but drugs) brought people to town will be removed so Asbury can morph into a nice, safe place to raise a family and live... And then the people will probably move away because they'll be nothing to do. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Sheehan Embarassment
In reference to jerseykev'scomment: Cindy Sheehan had a boyfriend who is a major anti-war activist, Lew Rockwell. Cindy Sheehan took refuge with a computer that became her companion day and night. Cindy Sheehan’s former sister-in-law says “Cindy had become addicted to online chat rooms of a pornographic nature. She had many men communicating with her. ” When she left her home, she also left behind evidence of her pornography addictions and her dalliances. == I see that modern day Pharisees have learned well the tactics of Swiftboat smearing. Ironically, as the Pharisees smear, the creators of Swiftboating privately sneer at them. (Tucker Carlson admits, “evangelical leaders were known in the office of the president's political strategist Karl Rove as "the nuts.") I guess fundamentalist Christians can be just as mean-spirited as fundamentalist Muslims and Jews. To thephariseeic Swiftboaters:“You are like snakes! You are like a collection of dangerous snakes! You will not escape condemnation.”Matthew 23:33 Anyone know when 501(c)(3) is supposed to kick in? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Flag Pole
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim asburyjim@ wrote: Should the present City Council let a tree stayed growed around a Flag Pole at our Library in town??It was Donated in 1962 by the Harold Daley VFW Post.Who is in charge of cutting the grass,bushes trees in that area?? James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Aliance Asbury Park N.J. the library is run by appointees made by mayor and council,it is a seperarte board or entity, they have their own budget, their own maintenance staff (patty, one of the hardest workers in the City)who maintains the bldg. anf grounds. their bd. is made up of great people, like Doris Carol and others, im sure if you attended one of their meetings and made your complaint, they would take care of it. When is there meetings? Do you or anyone else have a time? So the City of Asbury Park doesn't maintain the outside grounds? James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Alliance Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Library Flag Pole
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim asburyjim@ wrote: Should the present City Council let a tree stayed growed around a Flag Pole at our Library in town??It was Donated in 1962 by the Harold Daley VFW Post.Who is in charge of cutting the grass,bushes trees in that area?? James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Aliance Asbury Park N.J. the library is run by appointees made by mayor and council,it is a seperarte board or entity, they have their own budget, their own maintenance staff (patty, one of the hardest workers in the City)who maintains the bldg. anf grounds. their bd. is made up of great people, like Doris Carol and others, im sure if you attended one of their meetings and made your complaint, they would take care of it. When is there meetings? Do you or anyone else have a time? So the City of Asbury Park doesn't maintain the outside grounds? James Grabe Patriot Officer Veterans Alliance Asbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, there you have it. The very places that kept the town alive for a few decades when nothing else (but drugs) brought people to town will be removed so Asbury can morph into a nice, safe place to raise a family and live... And then the people will probably move away because they'll be nothing to do. Spent a week in Carmel, Sonoma and Frisco. Carmel is one of the most beautiful towns in the US. They try to make it look like Tuscany, but it ain't. Any place where I am one of the youngest guys around is in trouble. The last time that happened was when I visited an uncle in the geriatric ward. A bunch of ultra-rich boring white people. The rolled up the sidewalks at 9 pm. I couldn;t even get a cup of coffee at that time. I got so frustrated by the third (last) day there I felt like smashing a storefront (Tiffany et al) to get arrested. But I didn;t see a cop in 3 days. I would probably have to call 911 to turn myself in. Sonoma wasn't much better, but at least it wasn't Soylent Green. Thank God for Frisco. Maybe Tommy will move back when AP is sterlized enough. * *** Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Beating the Dead (Duany) Horse
Fred It was announced on 1/3/2002 that Duany was hired (and he hadn't started work yet). He made his proposal public on 1/23/2002. That's a 20-day period and I assume he didn;t devote the whole 20 days because again, 7 and 8 days are specified as the time he put. That is not counting of course putting his recommendations in writing which were delivered a few days later. Funny, in looking over the old stuff, you sing where we did not even follow his recommendations. For instance, he suggested that at least two architects design buildings with in a single block face so as to avoid suburban conformity. I notice that that is not happening in Wsley Grove. The entire block faces are the same and I fear worse yet that the next block face (west) will also be the same. Why does this city have a habit of non enforcement of the plan? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reference to jerseykev's comments: I am getting tired of the democrats blaming President Bush for the war on terror. What about the fringe repubs still blaming Clinton, after six years, for everything that goes wrong? What ever happened to the buck stops here? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to hear them blame the Clintons or the Democrats for the record snowfall in New York this weekend. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.be for one. Mario Subj: [AsburyPark] Blaming Bush For The War... Date: 10/14/2006 6:42:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) So Kevin: Not that what you posted, has ANYTHING to do with this group, why don't you go down to Bradley Beach, put your John Hancock, on a sign- up sheet, and get your sorry A**, over to Iraq and lay your butt, on the line? I just love, when you DESK WARRIORS, walk in LOCK-STEP, like the Nazis did, back in 1933 and use RELIGION, as a shield! Bush did say, this was a Crusade, didn't he? Only thing, Europe, was a Catholic Continent, back in the Middle Ages, when this all occurred! You're BORN AGAIN, aren't you? Using the Mission, to hide your REAL agenda, like Falwell and the other so-called Christians! Don't you read the papers? Bush, hates all of you born again, nuts! Used you, to win elections! Aren't you the one, who ran down to New Orleans, another CATHOLIC City, to see what YOU could get? You're an OPPORTUNIST, if I ever saw one and a HYPOCRITE! You use this forum, to get people from Asbury Park, for YOUR agenda! Eminent Domain, THAT's your line, isn't it? I heard that the Long Branch City Council, has problems with you and how you are in a building, NOT zoned, for religious purposes! Read it, in the AP Press! Support the troops includes the Commander in Chief! More, like COMMANDER-IN-THIEF, when you FIX, elections! Not once, but twice! Not, when you purge voter rolls, fix voting machines and stop a recount! It doesn't hurt, if your BROTHER, is the Governor, either, or if you DON'T win, the popular vote! In 2004, he got his pals from DIEBOLD, to RIG, electronic voting machines, had Black voters, waiting for hours, in a pouring rain, then on Inaugural Day, have GARBAGE, thrown at you! First time I've seen, ANY President, NOT able to walk down Pennsylvania Ave. Says something, about DICTATORSHIPS, huh? Wonder why the price of gas, is SUDDENLY, falling? Is their an election, soon? So you APPROVE, of the SEXUAL molestation, of the PAGES, huh? You doing that, too? You approve of the Abramoff, DeLay, Enron, Halliburton, NEY, secret oil meetings, NSA ILLEGAL Spying, the 9 BILLION MISSING in Iraq, telephone eavesdropping, PRIVATE SECURITY, for the RED CROSS, the BUNGLING and DEATH, during the handling of KATRINA and the senseless loss of life, of a WHOLE REGION, of the country, don't you? You should, BE ALL YOU CAN BE! Go Join Bush's War! Be a Patriot! Make LIARS, out of ALL of US! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
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[AsburyPark] Re: Beating the Dead (Duany) Horse
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not in the planning business so I don't know if a firm can evaluate and design a project in 20 plus days. I'll leave that up to the experts Tommy and Werner. As for Wesley Lake maybe the planning board allowed them to break it up into phases not blocks I haven't seen the phase 2 plans. Fred It was announced on 1/3/2002 that Duany was hired (and he hadn't started work yet). He made his proposal public on 1/23/2002. That's a 20-day period and I assume he didn;t devote the whole 20 days because again, 7 and 8 days are specified as the time he put. That is not counting of course putting his recommendations in writing which were delivered a few days later. Funny, in looking over the old stuff, you sing where we did not even follow his recommendations. For instance, he suggested that at least two architects design buildings with in a single block face so as to avoid suburban conformity. I notice that that is not happening in Wsley Grove. The entire block faces are the same and I fear worse yet that the next block face (west) will also be the same. Why does this city have a habit of non enforcement of the plan? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The town desperately wants to hold on to its tourist past. No Gary, it doesn't. It desperately wants to be a great residential community. Meanwhile, the beautiful images shown behind the Council each week are of Asbury's past and the images shown on the flag poles throughout town are of Asbury's past and the images used on the city's marketing is generally of Asbury's past. We won't forget the past. We are smart enough to know the world has changed so much that we have to move on. I still believe that the majority of the people voting in the past elections thought the redevelopment plan was a mix of tourism and residential. You're underestimating Asbury Parkers. I think they know what is happening very well. They may not know the height requirements of each curb like you know who, but they know enough. There will be no new hotels, no new entertainment areas... That's right, we are adding a new, different element. Tommy, you know I really admire you for your love of the town which is why I want to ask you this one question. I know you are looking forwards to the day when Asbury Park is a nice, safe place to raise a family and live... So my question is: Do you envision any of the nightclubs or bars that are currently in Asbury Park to be there when that vision is realized? I think there will be nightclubs and entertainment. I don't know if it will be the ones that are there now. Wonder Bar is my fav, and if it goes I'll miss it. I've said repeatedly you have to look at the rest of the County to see that tourism in Monmouth, particulary the nightclub scene, is long gone. If you added up all the options I had when I was out (20 years ago) and what singles have today, I had far more choices all over the County. Some of that decrease may be because of DUI laws, but mostly it reflects that Monmouth is no longer the party destination it used to be - Ocean and Atlantic Counties are. Belmar is the best example. 20 years ago there was a ton of nightclubs. Now there is one. Asbury's bar scene is different with slightly less options, but it has been pretty stable. I don't think it is going anywhere. Now that I'm 43 and not 23, I must admit I don't judge towns by how many nightclubs they have anymore. Maybe after my kids are grown I will again. :-) Stone Pony will leave its spot, but will open elsewhere, but more like a Hard Rock (sorry). Then you will see Stone Pony New York, Chicago, LA, etc. etc. I don't think I agree with you that this Council harbors any ill will toward The Saint. They are a comparatively young group up there. I think the Saint will be fine. So, there you have it. The very places that kept the town alive for a few decades when nothing else (but drugs) brought people to town will be removed so Asbury can morph into a nice, safe place to raise a family and live... And then the people will probably move away because they'll be nothing to do. When Asbury is a nice safe place to raise a family is when I'll be back. I live in a town where, for adults, there is nothing to do and I'm not moving. I'm here because there is a TON of stuff to do for the kids, which Asbury doesn't have. So, yea, my agenda is to make a great, boring family town. You think music kept the town alive? That's a bit of stretch isn't it? The City itself didn't make any scratch off of rock n' roll. I remember our Bocce Club, which brought 50 to 80 people to the Beach 3 nights each week used to say we were keeping the City going. Hardly. It is that 70% of City residents who bothered paying their taxes and the State who gave us grants that kept the City going. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just love, when you DESK WARRIORS, walk in LOCK-STEP, like the Nazis did... Stop the argument! I'm invoking Godwin's Law! Sharon loses and RevKev is declared the winner to the debate! See Godwin's Law definition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Tommy: Da Vinci only sold ONE painting, when he was alive and the POPE, worked Michealangelo, almost to DEATH, paying him, very little and was UNAPPRECIATED! You should read more! I'm 43. Which makes you an expert on NOTHING! I picked that up, when we met! I raised a KNOW IT ALL, just LIKE YOU! SAME age! You ought to at least subscribe, to Architectural Digest, or visit England and look at some of the buildings, from the Victorian Era, that have been preserved. Hopefully, you won't fall into the Remember When group, that longs for the things they knew of the past, AFTER they're long gone! You just jump in here and run off at the mouth, about what you know! Does being an attorney, make you an instant expert? People from the US, travel to Europe, to either capture its' charm or study its' architecture and how uniquely DIFFERENT, thier customs and cultures, are! I found Asbury Park, different, from New Orleans, which is rich in Spanish and French architecture! Think they are going to tear down the St. Louis Cathedral? The Pontalba, the first apartment building, in the U.S.? You need maturity! You have to find someone in their 60's or 70's who may have caught a show there, and the show I bet will be insignificant like a circus or something. So ask your Mother or Father! We are arguing over nothing anyway, because the Casino is going to be saved. You know Asbury Park - why have one empty, barely used Convention Center when we can have two! I feel sorry for you! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
In reference to Dan's insights: Carmel is one of the most beautiful towns in the US. They try to make it look like Tuscany, but it ain't. Any place where I am one of the youngest guys around is in trouble. The last time that happened was when I visited an uncle in the geriatric ward. A bunch of ultra-rich boring white people. The rolled up the sidewalks at 9 pm. I couldn;t even get a cup of coffee at that time. I got so frustrated by the third (last) day there I felt like smashing a storefront (Tiffany et al) to get arrested. But I didn;t see a cop in 3 days. I would probably have to call 911 to turn myself in. Sonoma wasn't much better, but at least it wasn't Soylent Green. I had similar feelings, closer to home, when I used to drive my parents to their doctor whose office is in Whiting, NJ. Sometimes during their office visit, I would drive around town to kill some time, get some coffee, etc. At first I couldn't understand why I felt so ill at ease there. Whiting is virtually all white hair, all white faces (no children though), and, figuratively, all very "white picket fence." Obviously boring, but also, as you mentioned, like Soylent Green: very creepy. It also reminded me of "Whispering Glades" in The Loved One: An Anglo-American Tragedy. This may sound corny and may be hard for some to understand, but the creepy feelings wouldn't subside until, driving north on the Parkway, I saw "Exit 100 Asbury Park"; total relief and reality came only as I drove east on Sunset, past the Foodtown andtoward Asbury Park. I no longer need to drive to Whiting, but occasionally, as I drive by some of the gated communities which are popping up like weeds nearby, some of that creepy feeling returns. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
Listen RevKev JustifyRight, Invoking this ridiculous law is like a child humming and sticking his fingers in his ears. People have the right to say what they want, and it is not a contest, as you always seem to make it into. Sharon was just trying to make a point, much as you were by spewing your right wing trash all over this message board which is supposed to be about Asbury Park. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] bang bang bang and bang bang bang
Sunday in AP and 2 shoootings? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
In reference to Tommy misuse of Godwin: Stop the argument! I'm invoking Godwin's Law! Sharon loses and RevKev is declared the winner to the debate! Any member of this group can access last year's discussion about this when Tommy tried to use it then. He was wrong then and is still wrong about Godwin's law. Do an advanced search of this group's messages. Type in only "Godwin's" in the subject box, and you will get 14 hits. Here is an excerpt from one of my posts ( # 11423): Actually, I know a lot about Godwin ( http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html), and his perspectives are quite liberal. If you're going to invoke that "law," you'll need to learn how to apply it: Sparingly ( http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/). Here is an excerpt from the second link above: One of the most famous pieces of Usenet trivia out there is "if you mention Hitler or Nazis in a post, you've automatically ended whatever discussion you were taking part in". Known as Godwin's Law, this rule of Usenet has along and sordid history on the network - and is absolutely wrong. This FAQ is an attempt to set straight as much of the history and meaning of Godwin's Law as possible, and hopefully encourage users to invoke it a bit more sparingly. Interestingly, Tommy uses Wikipedia when it serves his purposes. When it doesn't, he accuses it of being too liberal. Note also, Tommy is fond of calling people commies, pinkos, and traitors. Hamlet was right: " For 'tis the sport to have the engineer Hoist with his own petard; ( http://tinyurl.com/yxmoop ) Tikkum Olam __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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Man hurt in Asbury Park's second Sunday shooting Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 10/16/06 BY MICHELLE SAHNSTAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK -- Someone fired multiple shots at a Pine Street home Sunday and one resident suffered an injury in the shooting, the city's second in less than seven hours.Police are following leads in both cases and trying to determine if the two shootings are related, said Detective Lt. David Kelso.Around 7:45 p.m., someone fired at a Pine Street house, and a bullet entered through the front living room window, and struck the ceiling, he said. Then the bullet apparently fell out of the ceiling and struck a 19-year-old man in the head, said Kelso.Earlier Sunday - around 1 p.m. - Jahmere Crooms, an 18-year-old city man, was shot in the shoulder outside a Comstock Street home. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
In reference to Sharon's apt comment to Tommy: Hopefully, you won't fall into the "Remember When" group, that longs for the things they knew of the past, AFTER they're long gone! "Nostalgia carried beyond a certain point becomes a form of stupidity. And, as a poet once said, stupidity carried beyond a certain point becomes a public menace." The quote is Googlable. Tikkum Olam,(and if you have a sense of humor http://www.vidlit.com/gandl/ ) __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
On Oct 16, 2006, at 8:53 PM, justifiedright wrote: x-tad-bigger--- In /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger, Lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger > The town desperately wants to hold on to its tourist past. /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger No Gary, it doesn't. It desperately wants to be a great residential /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger community./x-tad-bigger Then why do they stick the past on nearly every piece of marketing for the town? Sounds like they either want to remember the past as something worth remembering or use the past to trick people into believing that they will be a hybrid of residential and tourism. If they solely wanted residential than why invoke images of the past on all of their marketing? x-tad-bigger I've said repeatedly you have to look at the rest of the County to /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger see that tourism in Monmouth, particulary the nightclub scene, is /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger long gone. /x-tad-bigger That statement is always thrown out by the people who want Asbury to simply give up any ideas about tourism. I don't buy it. I think Asbury Park could VERY EASILY utilize elements from its boardwalk and musical past to have a thriving tourism trade. One of the reasons the rest of Monmouth County hasn't is that the vast majority of tourism and history (especially musically) WAS IN ASBURY PARK. I remember joking once with Monmouth County Tourism people about growing up here and never imaging that the ONE boardwalk to remain and thrive would be Keansburg. Why is it that tourism is ok for Ocean County but not Monmouth County? Why has Monmouth County changed in your mind but Ocean hasn't? x-tad-bigger Belmar is the best example. 20 years ago there was a ton of /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger nightclubs. Now there is one./x-tad-bigger Well, there actually are several - especially if you count Lake Como. x-tad-bigger Now that I'm 43 and not 23, I must admit I don't judge towns by how /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger many nightclubs they have anymore. Maybe after my kids are grown I /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger will again. :-)/x-tad-bigger I'm not saying you should judge a town by the clubs. I'm saying that Asbury Park is known throughout the WORLD for its entertainment -- something very few places can attest to. Yet, the town treats it as if there is no heritage... no reason to keep it going. x-tad-bigger I don't think I agree with you that this Council harbors any ill /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger will toward The Saint. They are a comparatively young group up /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger there. I think the Saint will be fine./x-tad-bigger Well I've been there on more than one occasion when it seemed like someone purposely sent the fire code inspections (on a busy Saturday night) as a set up. I've also heard plenty of rumors that the building is in their sights. I don't believe it's safe at all. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tommy v Werner
x-tad-bigger When Asbury is a nice safe place to raise a family is when I'll be /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger back. I live in a town where, for adults, there is nothing to do /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger and I'm not moving. I'm here because there is a TON of stuff to do /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger for the kids, which Asbury doesn't have./x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger So, yea, my agenda is to make a great, boring family town./x-tad-bigger It's funny but Point Pleasant has a nice nightlife and is a great family town. That boardwalk gets thousands of families each day during the summer... Guess that could never happen again in Asbury huh? ** BTW, wasn't it memories like that which have so many people feeling strongly about Asbury's past? That's what I don't understand. It could be that way again but people want to believe that it absolutely couldn't. I know there are people (I think you were one of them) who HATED the Palace. Well, as a kid growing up, I absolutely lived in that place and loved it. Now I agree with you that it was offensive to see people who had never been in the place trying to force it to be saved, but what offended me the most was that they only seemed to care about saving the logos. I wanted to save the INSIDE. Asbury Park used to be a magical place. That's why I hate the idea of turning it into any town USA when it could be magical again. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
The use of Godwin is supposed to lighten things up. It's a funny. I didn't realize we were required to kick eachothers rear-ends in here without taking a break from that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listen RevKev JustifyRight, Invoking this ridiculous law is like a child humming and sticking his fingers in his ears. People have the right to say what they want, and it is not a contest, as you always seem to make it into. Sharon was just trying to make a point, much as you were by spewing your right wing trash all over this message board which is supposed to be about Asbury Park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blaming Bush For The War...
When someone says this person wins and this person loses, it's not a light statement to make. Also, Sharon was pretty serious about what she was saying, and to make light of it seems totally inappropriate. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
