Re: [AsburyPark] 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/19/2007 6:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tommie, can  you hear me?
Go to the mir..er...window.
Yer right, .3334 of a degree is  a little less than .4.
But when you look out that window, past rigor's  assassin, can't you see 
the errors.
Poisonous exhaust literally choking  our atmosphere.
Unholy wars fought over it.
Environmental holocaust  around the globe resultant from the mining of 
fossil fuels.
A little  common sense can go a long way.

Maybe Gore is wrong about global  warming.
Wouldn't surprise me.
But he isn't wrong that these issues  aren't poison.
 
Chikungunya disease!Yikes!   Even sounds  gross!
 

from _As  Earth Warms Up, Tropical Virus Moves to Italy - New York Times_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/world/europe/23virus.html?emex=1198558800en=c
abee746d63a481dei=5087
)  
 
Aided by _global  warming_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier)
  and globalization, 
Castiglione di Cervia has the dubious distinction  of playing host to the first 
outbreak in modern Europe of a disease that had  previously been seen only in 
the 
tropics.









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[AsburyPark] Re: Confessions include Dirty Tricks in Monmouth Politics

2007-12-23 Thread 2fine4u
My first take on a name like Rasta-Man, would be:

Rasta=Black
Man=Man

Stating the obvious.  It is assumed, that MOST Blacks, are Democrats
and in the pockets of (white politicians}, assuming, that is.  Also
posing as a Democrat, assuming, the blogger, knows how Democrats, think!

This is right out of Richard Nixon's play book, of dirty tricks!
Remember his famous quote:  I am not a crook!  Famous last words.
Like calling Barack Obama, Osama Obama, get it?  Just an observation.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 12/22/2007 5:38:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I  wasn't aware of the racism part. Can you fill me in?
 I was being kind with subtle racism.
  
 Why would a White  Rumson Republican for Romney, pictures here:   

_http://moremonmouthmusings.blogspot.com/2007/10/meet-rasta-man-at-least-one-of-them.html_
  

(http://moremonmouthmusings.blogspot.com/2007/10/meet-rasta-man-at-least-one-of-them.html)

  
 pretend to be a Democrat with the moniker Rastaman?
  
 The name conjures images:
  
 Rasta  _http://tinyurl.com/2e2smp_ (http://tinyurl.com/2e2smp)
  
 Rastaman  _http://tinyurl.com/yqhfoa_ (http://tinyurl.com/yqhfoa) 
  
 Rasta Man   _http://tinyurl.com/2h9l48_ (http://tinyurl.com/2h9l48) 
  
 Rastafarian  _http://tinyurl.com/2xnz4e_ (http://tinyurl.com/2xnz4e) 
 
  
 Just as the phone voices used against the Holt campaign.
  
  
 But you handled the case, so what's your take?
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Monster Killing Kittens

2007-12-23 Thread Debbie DeLisa

I am still extremely upset over the heartbreaking story which was released 
yesterday about the sadistic monster who has killed so many kittens, cats and 
God knows what else.  I was at the Monmouth County Jail yesterday with some of 
the poor people who had fallen prey to this sicko's con and given him cherished 
little friends who for some reason they could not keep or thought they were 
finding a good home for.  Even an investigator who has been caring for 3 
colonies for 15 years was almost tricked by this animal!!!
 
Someone had called us at Madison Marquette this week and warned us about a man 
named Anthony who was adopting cats and kittens from different people.  Thank 
God we did not fall into his scheme or I would be in jail myself for torture 
and murder of this P.O.S  I do not even want to call him an animal because 
he is not worthy of a name of a species I love.
 
Because of her lifelong experience with animals Irene Mottola was able to warn 
me of horrible human predators who might try and adopt one of our special 
Boardwalk friends. I am very lucky to have Irene and Gary as my friendsnot 
only have they made it financially possible to make a little difference in 
rescuing our unfortunate little orphans but they have given their heart and 
soul into loving and caring for them.  So many of you are also animal lovers 
and I want to thank you for all you do.  I am very blessed to have so many in 
my life who love and care about animals---To me this is the real meaning of 
Christmas---Giving of yourself for others.  Thank You and give your pets  or a 
friends pet or a lonely stray an extra little hug today---They can give you a 
very rare and special gift ---The best gift of all--Unconditional  Love!!!

[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
400 scientists have issued a joint report disagreeing with all the 
man-made Global Warming claims.

I particularly am interested in these three paragpraphs, which I 
have read in other places as well:

The report's authors expect some of the scientists will recant 
their remarks under intense pressure from the public and from within 
professional circles to conform to the global-warming theory, a 
committee staffer said.

Several scientists in the report said many colleagues share their 
skepticism about man-made climate change but don't speak out 
publicly for fear of retribution, according to the report.

Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and 
report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the 
scientific or public media, atmospheric scientist Nathan Paldor, 
professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the 
Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said in the report.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20071221/NATION/844993096/1001




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 12/19/2007 6:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Tommie, can  you hear me?
 Go to the mir..er...window.
 Yer right, .3334 of a degree is  a little less than .4.
 But when you look out that window, past rigor's  assassin, can't 
you see 
 the errors.
 Poisonous exhaust literally choking  our atmosphere.
 Unholy wars fought over it.
 Environmental holocaust  around the globe resultant from the 
mining of 
 fossil fuels.
 A little  common sense can go a long way.
 
 Maybe Gore is wrong about global  warming.
 Wouldn't surprise me.
 But he isn't wrong that these issues  aren't poison.
  
 Chikungunya disease!Yikes!   Even sounds  gross!
  
 
 from _As  Earth Warms Up, Tropical Virus Moves to Italy - New York 
Times_ 
 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/world/europe/23virus.html?
emex=1198558800en=c
 abee746d63a481dei=5087
 )  
  
 Aided by _global  warming_ 
 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/inde
x.html?inline=nyt-classifier)  and globalization, 
 Castiglione di Cervia has the dubious distinction  of playing host 
to the first 
 outbreak in modern Europe of a disease that had  previously been 
seen only in the 
 tropics.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
Did you read the 3 paragraphs?  They assert there is pressure on 
scientists not to disagree.

How would a paragraph that differs in thought even read?  Can you 
show me one, since there are dozens?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For every three paragraphs like the ones below, there are probably 
a dozen paragraphs 
 which differ in thought, and come from more reputable sources.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  400 scientists have issued a joint report disagreeing with all 
the 
  man-made Global Warming claims.
  
  I particularly am interested in these three paragpraphs, which I 
  have read in other places as well:
  
  The report's authors expect some of the scientists will recant 
  their remarks under intense pressure from the public and from 
within 
  professional circles to conform to the global-warming theory, a 
  committee staffer said.
  
  Several scientists in the report said many colleagues share 
their 
  skepticism about man-made climate change but don't speak out 
  publicly for fear of retribution, according to the report.
  
  Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and 
  report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the 
  scientific or public media, atmospheric scientist Nathan 
Paldor, 
  professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at 
the 
  Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said in the report.
  
  
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
  AID=/20071221/NATION/844993096/1001
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
  
   In a message dated 12/19/2007 6:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard 
Time,  
   traderdube@ writes:
   
   Tommie, can  you hear me?
   Go to the mir..er...window.
   Yer right, .3334 of a degree is  a little less than .4.
   But when you look out that window, past rigor's  assassin, 
can't 
  you see 
   the errors.
   Poisonous exhaust literally choking  our atmosphere.
   Unholy wars fought over it.
   Environmental holocaust  around the globe resultant from the 
  mining of 
   fossil fuels.
   A little  common sense can go a long way.
   
   Maybe Gore is wrong about global  warming.
   Wouldn't surprise me.
   But he isn't wrong that these issues  aren't poison.

   Chikungunya disease!Yikes!   Even sounds  gross!

   
   from _As  Earth Warms Up, Tropical Virus Moves to Italy - New 
York 
  Times_ 
   (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/world/europe/23virus.html?
  emex=1198558800en=c
   abee746d63a481dei=5087
   )  

   Aided by _global  warming_ 
   
  
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/inde
  x.html?inline=nyt-classifier)  and globalization, 
   Castiglione di Cervia has the dubious distinction  of playing 
host 
  to the first 
   outbreak in modern Europe of a disease that had  previously 
been 
  seen only in the 
   tropics.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   **See AOL's top rated 
recipes 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
You posted anout a minute after I did.  How in that time did you 
determine these 400 scientists are less reputable than others?

I think you proved their point.  Some people believe that the 
scientific issue is settled, and not only disagree with, but cast 
personal aspersions on anyone who speaks a contrary view.

And lefties think the Bush Administration suppresses debate and 
alternate opinion.

Sheesh.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For every three paragraphs like the ones below, there are probably 
a dozen paragraphs 
 which differ in thought, and come from more reputable sources.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  400 scientists have issued a joint report disagreeing with all 
the 
  man-made Global Warming claims.
  
  I particularly am interested in these three paragpraphs, which I 
  have read in other places as well:
  
  The report's authors expect some of the scientists will recant 
  their remarks under intense pressure from the public and from 
within 
  professional circles to conform to the global-warming theory, a 
  committee staffer said.
  
  Several scientists in the report said many colleagues share 
their 
  skepticism about man-made climate change but don't speak out 
  publicly for fear of retribution, according to the report.
  
  Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and 
  report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the 
  scientific or public media, atmospheric scientist Nathan 
Paldor, 
  professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at 
the 
  Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said in the report.
  
  
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
  AID=/20071221/NATION/844993096/1001
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
  
   In a message dated 12/19/2007 6:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard 
Time,  
   traderdube@ writes:
   
   Tommie, can  you hear me?
   Go to the mir..er...window.
   Yer right, .3334 of a degree is  a little less than .4.
   But when you look out that window, past rigor's  assassin, 
can't 
  you see 
   the errors.
   Poisonous exhaust literally choking  our atmosphere.
   Unholy wars fought over it.
   Environmental holocaust  around the globe resultant from the 
  mining of 
   fossil fuels.
   A little  common sense can go a long way.
   
   Maybe Gore is wrong about global  warming.
   Wouldn't surprise me.
   But he isn't wrong that these issues  aren't poison.

   Chikungunya disease!Yikes!   Even sounds  gross!

   
   from _As  Earth Warms Up, Tropical Virus Moves to Italy - New 
York 
  Times_ 
   (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/world/europe/23virus.html?
  emex=1198558800en=c
   abee746d63a481dei=5087
   )  

   Aided by _global  warming_ 
   
  
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/inde
  x.html?inline=nyt-classifier)  and globalization, 
   Castiglione di Cervia has the dubious distinction  of playing 
host 
  to the first 
   outbreak in modern Europe of a disease that had  previously 
been 
  seen only in the 
   tropics.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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recipes 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jersey Shore John
How did you determine these 400 scientists are more reputable than  
others?


On Dec 23, 2007, at 11:48 AM, justifiedright wrote:


You posted anout a minute after I did. How in that time did you
determine these 400 scientists are less reputable than others?

I think you proved their point. Some people believe that the
scientific issue is settled, and not only disagree with, but cast
personal aspersions on anyone who speaks a contrary view.





[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
It doesn't say that in my post.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How did you determine these 400 scientists are more reputable 
than  
 others?
 
 On Dec 23, 2007, at 11:48 AM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  You posted anout a minute after I did. How in that time did you
  determine these 400 scientists are less reputable than others?
 
  I think you proved their point. Some people believe that the
  scientific issue is settled, and not only disagree with, but cast
  personal aspersions on anyone who speaks a contrary view.
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread lightgrw
justifiedright wrote:
   I think you proved their point. Some people believe that the
   scientific issue is settled, and not only disagree with, but cast
   personal aspersions on anyone who speaks a contrary view.


How is that different from the right wing establishment basically 
categorizing anyone who believed that global warming was true as an 
idiot during the last 20 years?

Were they interested in a true debate over the scientific merit? or were 
they just trying to appease a certain group of voters?


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jack Pitzer
The smartest thing i've seen  pertaining to the issue of global warming was a 
NY  Times 
interview with a Coast Guard officer who's in charge of keeping waterways clear 
in the 
Alaskan area. He stated that icebergs and sea ice are melting and fragmenting 
more in the 
past year or two then during his entire 20 plus years in service. He also said 
that the 
science is too complicated for him to discuss because he doesn't fully 
understand it, and it 
would be irresponsible to comment. He relies on real world observations. No 
googling 
needed. 
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 justifiedright wrote:
I think you proved their point. Some people believe that the
scientific issue is settled, and not only disagree with, but cast
personal aspersions on anyone who speaks a contrary view.
 
 
 How is that different from the right wing establishment basically 
 categorizing anyone who believed that global warming was true as an 
 idiot during the last 20 years?
 
 Were they interested in a true debate over the scientific merit? or were 
 they just trying to appease a certain group of voters?






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Discussing this topic with you is a complete waste of time.

You again prove the point of those 400 scientists - Global Warming 
believers are closed minded - you don't wish to discuss the matter.  
Worse yet, scientists are being penalized for trying to discuss it.

I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article - it was 
in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother Jones 
article, wouldn't you say?).






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He also said that the 
 science is too complicated for him to discuss because he doesn't 
fully understand it, and it 
 would be irresponsible to comment. He relies on real world 
observations. No googling 
 needed. 

Yet he is commenting on it, isn't he?  

This about raps up the whold Global Warming argument - please don't 
consider the science - that's for smart people.  You dummies in the 
world have to just believe us and not look.

Same thing they said in the 1970's when they predicted we were causing 
and all going to die from Global Cooling.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jack Pitzer
Go for it Tommy. You've got it all figured out.
Like I said, any discussion with you on this topic is a complete waste of time.
It's completely obvious because of your attitude. You are the person who lacks 
an open 
mind.
I have little doubt that you also think that evolution is bs, and that god 
created everything.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
 He also said that the 
  science is too complicated for him to discuss because he doesn't 
 fully understand it, and it 
  would be irresponsible to comment. He relies on real world 
 observations. No googling 
  needed. 
 
 Yet he is commenting on it, isn't he?  
 
 This about raps up the whold Global Warming argument - please don't 
 consider the science - that's for smart people.  You dummies in the 
 world have to just believe us and not look.
 
 Same thing they said in the 1970's when they predicted we were causing 
 and all going to die from Global Cooling.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have little doubt that you also think that evolution is bs, and 
that god created everything.

The parts of evolutionary claims supported by science I agree with.  
Why wouldn't I?

The parts of evolutionary claims not supported by science I don't 
agree with.
Why would I?

Since I accept the Big Bang Theory (I assume you do as well) then 
naturally I believe God created everything. Don't you, or are you 
rejecting the Big Bang Theory?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jack Pitzer
Perhaps we should just agree to disagree :)

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I have little doubt that you also think that evolution is bs, and 
 that god created everything.
 
 The parts of evolutionary claims supported by science I agree with.  
 Why wouldn't I?
 
 The parts of evolutionary claims not supported by science I don't 
 agree with.
 Why would I?
 
 Since I accept the Big Bang Theory (I assume you do as well) then 
 naturally I believe God created everything. Don't you, or are you 
 rejecting the Big Bang Theory?






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread lightgrw
Actually, I'd say most people would say the Washington Times and Mother 
Jones are about equal with regards to being reputable.

justifiedright wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

  Discussing this topic with you is a complete waste of time.

 You again prove the point of those 400 scientists - Global Warming
 believers are closed minded - you don't wish to discuss the matter.
 Worse yet, scientists are being penalized for trying to discuss it.

 I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article - it was
 in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother Jones
 article, wouldn't you say?).

  



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jersey Shore John
Our own li'l Sherri Flat Earth Shepherd!


On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:

 Go for it Tommy. You've got it all figured out.
 Like I said, any discussion with you on this topic is a complete  
 waste of time.
 It's completely obvious because of your attitude. You are the  
 person who lacks an open
 mind.
 I have little doubt that you also think that evolution is bs, and  
 that god created everything.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  He also said that the
   science is too complicated for him to discuss because he doesn't
  fully understand it, and it
   would be irresponsible to comment. He relies on real world
  observations. No googling
   needed.
 
  Yet he is commenting on it, isn't he?
 
  This about raps up the whold Global Warming argument - please don't
  consider the science - that's for smart people. You dummies in the
  world have to just believe us and not look.
 
  Same thing they said in the 1970's when they predicted we were  
 causing
  and all going to die from Global Cooling.
 


 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
Why discuss the science when you can ridicule and call names instead.

Attaboy, John.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Our own li'l Sherri Flat Earth Shepherd!
 
 
 On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:
 
  Go for it Tommy. You've got it all figured out.
  Like I said, any discussion with you on this topic is a 
complete  
  waste of time.
  It's completely obvious because of your attitude. You are the  
  person who lacks an open
  mind.
  I have little doubt that you also think that evolution is bs, 
and  
  that god created everything.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright  
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   He also said that the
science is too complicated for him to discuss because he 
doesn't
   fully understand it, and it
would be irresponsible to comment. He relies on real world
   observations. No googling
needed.
  
   Yet he is commenting on it, isn't he?
  
   This about raps up the whold Global Warming argument - please 
don't
   consider the science - that's for smart people. You dummies in 
the
   world have to just believe us and not look.
  
   Same thing they said in the 1970's when they predicted we 
were  
  causing
   and all going to die from Global Cooling.
  
 
 
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jersey Shore John
I learned everything I know from your girl, Ann Coulter. Or was it  
Rush Limbaugh? Hmmm. So MANY name-calling right-wingers to pick from...


What's the ol' saying about dishing it out and not taking it...?  
Don'cha love when The Right gets all squishy and properlike?


Attaboy, Tom.


On Dec 23, 2007, at 3:01 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Why discuss the science when you can ridicule and call names instead.

Attaboy, John.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Our own li'l Sherri Flat Earth Shepherd!


 On Dec 23, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote:

  Go for it Tommy. You've got it all figured out.
  Like I said, any discussion with you on this topic is a
complete
  waste of time.
  It's completely obvious because of your attitude. You are the
  person who lacks an open
  mind.
  I have little doubt that you also think that evolution is bs,
and
  that god created everything.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@
wrote:
  
   He also said that the
science is too complicated for him to discuss because he
doesn't
   fully understand it, and it
would be irresponsible to comment. He relies on real world
   observations. No googling
needed.
  
   Yet he is commenting on it, isn't he?
  
   This about raps up the whold Global Warming argument - please
don't
   consider the science - that's for smart people. You dummies in
the
   world have to just believe us and not look.
  
   Same thing they said in the 1970's when they predicted we
were
  causing
   and all going to die from Global Cooling.
  
 
 
 








[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Mario

Swiftboater  Deniers for Hire among Climate Quibblers.

More than the usual Whac-a-Mole, the bit about quoted out of
context is a heads-up for me.

From 400 Prominent Scientists Dispute Global Warming - Bunk | DeSmogBlog
http://www.desmogblog.com/400-prominent-scientists-dispute-global-warmi\
ng-bunk  21 Dec 07

Climate change denial lives - though not nearly to the extent that
Swiftboater http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swiftboating 
Marc Morano http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano 
would have you believe in his latest overstatement about prominent
scientists who dispute man-made global warming.

Morano's list of over 400 alleged climate quibblers includes the usual
deniers for hire Fred Singer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer
, Tim Ball http://www.desmogblog.com/directory/quick/ , Christoper
Monckton,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckto\
n_of_Brenchley  PR people who have no credibility on issues scientific
and who each have a handsome record of saying things widely and
demonstrably at variance with the truth.

There is also a group of second-order scientists, who are not
scientists at all.

There's Dr. Richard Courtney
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_S._Courtney , a
British coal journal editor whose PhD is rumoured to have issued from a
Crackerjack box. There's Stephen McIntyre
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Stephen_McIntyre , the
one-time mining promoter and amateur statistician who has earned
unending fame by constantly attacking the same, remarkably resilient
climate reconstruction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy .

There's the climate quibbler's latest star, Dr. John Mclean
http://n3xus6.blogspot.com/2007/12/show-me-credentials.html ,
apparently another amateur who has neither a PhD nor any specific
training in climate science. One might also legitimately question
whether a panel of TV weather forecasters actually qualify as prominent
scientists.

Finally, Morano includes a group of legitimate scientists who are not
deniers at all, but who are often quoted out of context.

For example, Morano quotes Dr. Eigil Friis-Christensen
http://www.desmogblog.com/scientists-suggest-that-swindle-fudged-data
, Director of the Danish National Space Centre offering this banal
statement of the obvious:

The sun is the source of the energy that causes the motion of the
atmosphere and thereby controls weather and climate. Any change in the
energy from the sun received at the Earth's surface will therefore
affect climate.

Morano, however, neglects to mention that Dr. Friis-Christensen says,
quite clearly, that change is solar radiation CANNOT be demonstrated to
have caused the climate change of recent years
http://folk.uio.no/nathan/web/statement.html .

In fact, he says:

There is no reason to neglect a contribution from man made greenhouse
gases.

Giving credit where it's due, Morano is a tireless and creative writer
of fiction.

His long screed on this occasion links liberally back to his early bouts
of disinformation, making it appear as though he actually has legitimate
sources for many of the points that he makes. And this list of 400
includes many names that are new to the DeSmogBlog - people whose
qualifications and true positions are difficult to ascertain four days
before Christmas.

But given the quality and credibility of Morano's previous work, it
seems fair to assume that this, too, is an ideologically driven document
with no merit whatsoever, either as a piece of research of, even more
laughably, a reliable comment on science.



A 2007 Newsweek http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/Newsweek  cover story on
climate change denial
http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/Climate_change_denial  reported that: In
April 1998 a dozen people from the denial machine — including the
Marshall Institute
http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/George_C._Marshall_Institute , Fred
Singer's group and Exxon — met at the American Petroleum Institute's
http://groups.yahoo.com/wiki/American_Petroleum_Institute  Washington
headquarters. They proposed a $5 million campaign, according to a leaked
eight-page memo, to convince the public that the science of global
warming is riddled with controversy and uncertainty. The plan was
reportedly aimed at raising questions about and undercutting the
'prevailing scientific wisdom' on climate change. According to
Newsweek, the plan was leaked to the press and therefore was never
implemented.[25]
http://groups.yahoo.com/%20_note-newsweekdenialmachine

===

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive. - Sir Walter Scott



[AsburyPark] Re: Monster Killing Kittens

2007-12-23 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Debbie DeLisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 I am still extremely upset over the heartbreaking story which was 
released yesterday about the sadistic monster who has killed so many 
kittens, cats and God knows what else.  I was at the Monmouth County 
Jail yesterday with some of the poor people who had fallen prey to 
this sicko's con and given him cherished little friends who for some 
reason they could not keep or thought they were finding a good home 
for.  Even an investigator who has been caring for 3 colonies for 15 
years was almost tricked by this animal!!!
  
 Someone had called us at Madison Marquette this week and warned us 
about a man named Anthony who was adopting cats and kittens from 
different people.  Thank God we did not fall into his scheme or I 
would be in jail myself for torture and murder of this P.O.S  I 
do not even want to call him an animal because he is not worthy of a 
name of a species I love.
  
 Because of her lifelong experience with animals Irene Mottola was 
able to warn me of horrible human predators who might try and adopt 
one of our special Boardwalk friends. I am very lucky to have Irene 
and Gary as my friendsnot only have they made it financially 
possible to make a little difference in rescuing our unfortunate 
little orphans but they have given their heart and soul into loving 
and caring for them.  So many of you are also animal lovers and I 
want to thank you for all you do.  I am very blessed to have so many 
in my life who love and care about animals---To me this is the real 
meaning of Christmas---Giving of yourself for others.  Thank You and 
give your pets  or a friends pet or a lonely stray an extra little 
hug today---They can give you a very rare and special gift ---The 
best gift of all--Unconditional  Love!!!


Amen

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread asburycouple
Tom, you have got to be joking, right  Now you're 
calling Reverend Moon a credible source?  Come on now Tom.  
When you're making your arguments using the facts from a radical 
cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments really 
are.

See below:



The Times is the flagship publication of News World Communications, 
Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its 
officials are members of the Unification Church which he leads, a 
fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight Magazine 
and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 2004, 
moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I Online, an 
educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC continues 
to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a 
tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the 
metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington Times 
stories). NWC also owns United Press International.

NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the media arm 
of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The Unification 
Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 15th 
anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an address 
to staff members that began:

Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves of 
the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's 
desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have devoted 
myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this blessed 
land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a 
Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing 
enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and energy 
to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and responsible 
journalistic institution.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article - it 
was 
 in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother 
Jones 
 article, wouldn't you say?).





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
Moon also owns UPI. So you will no longer read the NY Times or every 
other major paper in the country?  

You've backed yourself into a quandry.

And why?  To take a shot at a man because he is religious

Nice sentiment - 
Merry christmas



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Tom, you have got to be joking, right  Now you're 
 calling Reverend Moon a credible source?  Come on now Tom.  
 When you're making your arguments using the facts from a radical 
 cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments 
really 
 are.
 
 See below:
 
 
 
 The Times is the flagship publication of News World 
Communications, 
 Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its 
 officials are members of the Unification Church which he leads, a 
 fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight Magazine 
 and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 2004, 
 moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I Online, 
an 
 educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC 
continues 
 to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a 
 tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the 
 metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington 
Times 
 stories). NWC also owns United Press International.
 
 NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the media 
arm 
 of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The 
Unification 
 Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 15th 
 anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an 
address 
 to staff members that began:
 
 Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves 
of 
 the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's 
 desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have 
devoted 
 myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this 
blessed 
 land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a 
 Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing 
 enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and 
energy 
 to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and 
responsible 
 journalistic institution.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article - 
it 
 was 
  in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother 
 Jones 
  article, wouldn't you say?).
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread Jersey Shore John

The NYT uses AP. Next!

On Dec 23, 2007, at 5:57 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Moon also owns UPI. So you will no longer read the NY Times or every
other major paper in the country?

You've backed yourself into a quandry.

And why? To take a shot at a man because he is religious

Nice sentiment -
Merry christmas

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Tom, you have got to be joking, right Now you're
 calling Reverend Moon a credible source? Come on now Tom.
 When you're making your arguments using the facts from a radical
 cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments
really
 are.

 See below:



 The Times is the flagship publication of News World
Communications,
 Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its
 officials are members of the Unification Church which he leads, a
 fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight Magazine
 and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 2004,
 moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I Online,
an
 educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC
continues
 to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a
 tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the
 metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington
Times
 stories). NWC also owns United Press International.

 NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the media
arm
 of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The
Unification
 Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 15th
 anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an
address
 to staff members that began:

 Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves
of
 the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's
 desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have
devoted
 myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this
blessed
 land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a
 Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing
 enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and
energy
 to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and
responsible
 journalistic institution.



 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article -
it
 was
  in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother
 Jones
  article, wouldn't you say?).
 








[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread asburycouple
UPI doesn't control what news outlets choose to print - it is just a 
news feed service.  And Moon has proclaimed as mentioned below that 
The Washington Times is his own personal righteous and responsible 
journalistic institution based of course on what he defines on those 
terms.  

There's no quandry.  Please don't use your change the debate 
tactics on me.  The only quandry is how you can source Mr. Moon's 
personal communication vehicle and be taken seriously.  Choose a bit 
more wisely next time.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Moon also owns UPI. So you will no longer read the NY Times or 
every 
 other major paper in the country?  
 
 You've backed yourself into a quandry.
 
 And why?  To take a shot at a man because he is religious
 
 Nice sentiment - 
 Merry christmas
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  Tom, you have got to be joking, right  Now you're 
  calling Reverend Moon a credible source?  Come on now Tom.  
  When you're making your arguments using the facts from a 
radical 
  cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments 
 really 
  are.
  
  See below:
  
  
  
  The Times is the flagship publication of News World 
 Communications, 
  Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its 
  officials are members of the Unification Church which he leads, a 
  fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight 
Magazine 
  and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 2004, 
  moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I Online, 
 an 
  educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC 
 continues 
  to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a 
  tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the 
  metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington 
 Times 
  stories). NWC also owns United Press International.
  
  NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the media 
 arm 
  of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The 
 Unification 
  Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 
15th 
  anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an 
 address 
  to staff members that began:
  
  Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy waves 
 of 
  the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill God's 
  desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have 
 devoted 
  myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this 
 blessed 
  land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a 
  Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing 
  enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and 
 energy 
  to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and 
 responsible 
  journalistic institution.
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   I didn't have to Google around the net to find that article - 
 it 
  was 
   in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a Mother 
  Jones 
   article, wouldn't you say?).
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Ok Mr. Vail, I'll take the bait...

2007-12-23 Thread James Keady
The psuedo activisists that go around pointing fingers at succesful
American Companies often have an agenda that has little to do with improving
the lives of factory workers.

 

Paul, 

 

You assert (without having the courage to say my name directly) that I have
an agenda that has little to do with improving the lives of factory workers.
What exactly do you believe my agenda to be?  

 

I am most interested in hearing your thoughts.  When I return to Indonesia
in 2008 I will run it by my labor activist friends there and see if they
share in your assertions.

 

Peace, JWK   

 

Councilman James W. Keady

1 Municipal Plaza

Asbury Park, NJ 07712

TEL: 732.502.5196

EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.cityofasburypark.com

 

 



[AsburyPark] Happy Holidays

2007-12-23 Thread Jim
Wishing everyone a Safe  Happy New Year.And Happy Holidays for all!



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
You mean if a story comes out from Reuters and UPI the NY Times 
won't print it?

Hey maybe you're right.  I don't exactly follow the Old Grey Dish 
towel.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The NYT uses AP. Next!
 
 On Dec 23, 2007, at 5:57 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Moon also owns UPI. So you will no longer read the NY Times or 
every
  other major paper in the country?
 
  You've backed yourself into a quandry.
 
  And why? To take a shot at a man because he is religious
 
  Nice sentiment -
  Merry christmas
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@
  wrote:
  
   Tom, you have got to be joking, right Now you're
   calling Reverend Moon a credible source? Come on now Tom.
   When you're making your arguments using the facts from a 
radical
   cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments
  really
   are.
  
   See below:
  
  
  
   The Times is the flagship publication of News World
  Communications,
   Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its
   officials are members of the Unification Church which he 
leads, a
   fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight 
Magazine
   and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 2004,
   moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I 
Online,
  an
   educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC
  continues
   to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a
   tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the
   metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington
  Times
   stories). NWC also owns United Press International.
  
   NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the 
media
  arm
   of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The
  Unification
   Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 
15th
   anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an
  address
   to staff members that began:
  
   Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy 
waves
  of
   the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill 
God's
   desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have
  devoted
   myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this
  blessed
   land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build a
   Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing
   enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and
  energy
   to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and
  responsible
   journalistic institution.
  
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
I didn't have to Google around the net to find that 
article -
  it
   was
in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a 
Mother
   Jones
article, wouldn't you say?).
   
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
So you decry righteous and responsible
journalism?

Then I too must be on your enemies list.

I happen to strive for responsibility in journalism.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 UPI doesn't control what news outlets choose to print - it is just 
a 
 news feed service.  And Moon has proclaimed as mentioned below 
that 
 The Washington Times is his own personal righteous and 
responsible 
 journalistic institution based of course on what he defines on 
those 
 terms.  
 
 There's no quandry.  Please don't use your change the debate 
 tactics on me.  The only quandry is how you can source Mr. Moon's 
 personal communication vehicle and be taken seriously.  Choose a 
bit 
 more wisely next time.
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Moon also owns UPI. So you will no longer read the NY Times or 
 every 
  other major paper in the country?  
  
  You've backed yourself into a quandry.
  
  And why?  To take a shot at a man because he is religious
  
  Nice sentiment - 
  Merry christmas
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   Tom, you have got to be joking, right  Now you're 
   calling Reverend Moon a credible source?  Come on now 
Tom.  
   When you're making your arguments using the facts from a 
 radical 
   cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments 
  really 
   are.
   
   See below:
   
   
   
   The Times is the flagship publication of News World 
  Communications, 
   Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its 
   officials are members of the Unification Church which he 
leads, a 
   fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight 
 Magazine 
   and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 
2004, 
   moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I 
Online, 
  an 
   educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC 
  continues 
   to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a 
   tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the 
   metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington 
  Times 
   stories). NWC also owns United Press International.
   
   NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the 
media 
  arm 
   of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The 
  Unification 
   Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 
 15th 
   anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an 
  address 
   to staff members that began:
   
   Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy 
waves 
  of 
   the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill 
God's 
   desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have 
  devoted 
   myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this 
  blessed 
   land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build 
a 
   Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing 
   enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and 
  energy 
   to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and 
  responsible 
   journalistic institution.
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
I didn't have to Google around the net to find that 
article - 
  it 
   was 
in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a 
Mother 
   Jones 
article, wouldn't you say?).
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Esperanza

2007-12-23 Thread oakdorf
Until those with $ down or the project is sold

The City should put up a couple billboards with Dean's Face, The Metro
Homes Logo and Name with a some kind of note indicating they are
responsible for it.

It reminds me of a plan crash - the first thing to do os paint over
the logo or cover it up with giant tarps.

I was at a dinner the other night, and someone commented that he was
VERY smart for stopping at this point. If they paid $17 for the
rights, they are somewhere in for another $9=$15 million for
everything done so far - at least.

Talk about jerking people over by hanging onto their deposits.

Merry Christmas.

PS.. Tommy, go see Charlie Wilsons War





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 PS.. Tommy, go see Charlie Wilsons War

I saw the Documentary on the History Channel yesterday.  Really 
interesting.  Loved it.

I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault 
that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 
9/11).

People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration 
to tie Iraq to 9/11.

I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with 
the above argument in the end.  How stupid.

Won't plop down my $8 just because of that.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
I'll take Reverend Moon over Salzburger, the owner of the NY Times 
anyday, particularly since Salzburger said this:

Pinch was a political activist in the Sixties, and was twice 
arrested in anti-Vietnam protests. One day, the elder Sulzberger 
asked his son what Pinch calls, the dumbest question I've ever 
heard in my life. If an American soldier runs into a North 
Vietnamese soldier, which would you like to see get shot? Young 
Arthur answered, I would want to see the American get shot. It's 
the other guy's country.

You want to see an American soldier get shot?  Treason.  What a 
bastard.  

I'll take Moon.

You can have the NYT.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 UPI doesn't control what news outlets choose to print - it is just 
a 
 news feed service.  And Moon has proclaimed as mentioned below 
that 
 The Washington Times is his own personal righteous and 
responsible 
 journalistic institution based of course on what he defines on 
those 
 terms.  
 
 There's no quandry.  Please don't use your change the debate 
 tactics on me.  The only quandry is how you can source Mr. Moon's 
 personal communication vehicle and be taken seriously.  Choose a 
bit 
 more wisely next time.
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Moon also owns UPI. So you will no longer read the NY Times or 
 every 
  other major paper in the country?  
  
  You've backed yourself into a quandry.
  
  And why?  To take a shot at a man because he is religious
  
  Nice sentiment - 
  Merry christmas
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   Tom, you have got to be joking, right  Now you're 
   calling Reverend Moon a credible source?  Come on now 
Tom.  
   When you're making your arguments using the facts from a 
 radical 
   cult leader it really illustrated just how thin your arguments 
  really 
   are.
   
   See below:
   
   
   
   The Times is the flagship publication of News World 
  Communications, 
   Inc. (NWC). NWC was founded by Sun Myung Moon, and some of its 
   officials are members of the Unification Church which he 
leads, a 
   fact that has drawn some criticism. NWC published Insight 
 Magazine 
   and The World  I. Insight ceased hardcopy publication in 
2004, 
   moving to the web; and The World  I became The World  I 
Online, 
  an 
   educational magazine with four corresponding websites. NWC 
  continues 
   to publish the The Washington Times National Weekly Edition (a 
   tabloid compilation, designed for subscribers outside the 
   metropolitan area, of the previous week's published Washington 
  Times 
   stories). NWC also owns United Press International.
   
   NWC is described by the Columbia Journalism Review as the 
media 
  arm 
   of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.[15] The 
  Unification 
   Church calls Moon the founder of the Times. In 1997, on the 
 15th 
   anniversary of the founding of the paper, Rev. Moon gave an 
  address 
   to staff members that began:
   
   Fifteen years ago, when the world was adrift on the stormy 
waves 
  of 
   the Cold War, I established The Washington Times to fulfill 
God's 
   desperate desire to save this world. Since that time, I have 
  devoted 
   myself to raising up The Washington Times, hoping that this 
  blessed 
   land of America would fulfill its world-wide mission to build 
a 
   Heavenly nation. Meanwhile, I waged a lonely struggle, facing 
   enormous obstacles and scorn as I dedicated my whole heart and 
  energy 
   to enable The Washington Times to grow as a righteous and 
  responsible 
   journalistic institution.
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
I didn't have to Google around the net to find that 
article - 
  it 
   was 
in the Washington Times (a tad more reputable than say a 
Mother 
   Jones 
article, wouldn't you say?).
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 1/3 of one degree.

2007-12-23 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Choose a bit 
 more wisely next time.

Oh one more thing:  The report with the 400+ scientists disputing the 
Global Warming claims, it came from:

The United State's Senate.

No wonder the New York Times didn't cover it and the Washington Times 
did.

The NYT aren't very up to date on politics.



 
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[AsburyPark] Mallina's December 20th Coaster Article Posted at asburypark.net

2007-12-23 Thread rook782
There is a lot to comment on, but just like her other articles, she 
tends to leave out a great deal when it suits her.  I like how the 
piece is ment to jab at Keady for the most part, but she easily forgets 
to mention the other unnamed council member(Loffredo)she disagrees 
with. 

Also, she goes on to criticize some of Keady's campaign contributors 
because they are the old Asbury Park power brokers according to her, 
yet she avoids the fact that ten of thousands of dollars to the 
Sanders, Bruno, Loffredo and Johnson ticket came from New York. Those 
donations more reflect outside influences. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza

2007-12-23 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
  
  PS.. Tommy, go see Charlie Wilsons War

 
 I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with 
 the above argument in the end.  How stupid.
 
 Won't plop down my $8 just because of that.


It does bring you back to that.

In the beginning, there is a scene with a problem with the ACLU and a
nativity scene at a firehouse in his home distric in texas thought
of you.



 
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[AsburyPark] A King was born on this very night.

2007-12-23 Thread dapawprint
Merry Christmas!



 
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