[AsburyPark] Re: The plan needs

2008-01-16 Thread restore881FM
Dan -
Thanks for the update on the numbers.
Maureen
 

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[AsburyPark] Re: The APP story about MM

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, FleurDeLis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\
 
 It was around, just not available to the public.  It was called USENET!


yea, I know. I'm 46 and was in labs at Merrill testing cell phones
that only our key clients had. And I was the hit of the party
lugging home a laptop the size of a briefcase and loading 32 3.5 in
disks onto a pc to load windows...and was a displaywrite, IBM36,
Lotus123 guru. And those displaywrite docs were loaded with 2 5
disks..I van't even count he different languages I either had to try
to learn or , as a tech writer (scary), write about. 

Think compuserve. 

Now I need glasses to text (unless u get an itouch) and CH has wireless.

MM should make sure there is wireless on the BW and beach

that way we're never far away/



 
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[AsburyPark] 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread justifiedright
Was reading the AP Press online today and found this.  Anyone know 
who the other 3 candidates  are?

Check out what he says about this Group.


AsburySteve1952
Oh, and if YOU Guys  Ladies out there WANT Asbury Park to be 
Corruption Free by July of 2009, you MUST make Contributions to, and 
Volunteer for, the Campaigns of Myself and the Ministerial 
Alliance's other 3 picked candidates for the May of 2009 Election 
here! If you WANT a Safe  Corruption Free Asbury Park to Dine in, 
see Concerts and spend time on our GOD given Beach  Man Made 
Boardwalk, then DO Something to BRING Real Change! What's happened 
So far is Unraveling, and the city is in DEEP Debt, and it's 
growing! Don't believe the LIES! Sign up to AsburyParkCommunity 
Yahoo Group, because the other A.P. Group is RUN  Controlled BY the 
corrupt People! They DELETE Your Account if you say Anything bad 
about the Redevelopment or it's enablers.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread asburycouple
I don't know anything about the other three - but do know that based 
on this lie and some of his writings I've seen on the APP comments 
sections he certainly won't be getting my vote...


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was reading the AP Press online today and found this.  Anyone know 
 who the other 3 candidates  are?
 
 Check out what he says about this Group.
 
 
 AsburySteve1952
 Oh, and if YOU Guys  Ladies out there WANT Asbury Park to be 
 Corruption Free by July of 2009, you MUST make Contributions to, 
and 
 Volunteer for, the Campaigns of Myself and the Ministerial 
 Alliance's other 3 picked candidates for the May of 2009 Election 
 here! If you WANT a Safe  Corruption Free Asbury Park to Dine in, 
 see Concerts and spend time on our GOD given Beach  Man Made 
 Boardwalk, then DO Something to BRING Real Change! What's happened 
 So far is Unraveling, and the city is in DEEP Debt, and it's 
 growing! Don't believe the LIES! Sign up to AsburyParkCommunity 
 Yahoo Group, because the other A.P. Group is RUN  Controlled BY 
the 
 corrupt People! They DELETE Your Account if you say Anything bad 
 about the Redevelopment or it's enablers.





 
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[AsburyPark] Red,White Blue

2008-01-16 Thread Jim
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When we see our Flag flying in the Wind proundly its for people like Lance  
Debbie  alot of other people on this Site.That I what it up there on our 
Waterway on Convention Hall flying.In looks like M/M can join this Foundation 
to our City of Asbury Park.


James Grabe
Patriot Officer
Veterans Alliance
Asbury Park  



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Jack Pitzer
It's Asbury Steve. Who cares about what he has to say? His whole agenda is 
trashing AP on 
the APP website whenever possible. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was reading the AP Press online today and found this.  Anyone know 
 who the other 3 candidates  are?
 
 Check out what he says about this Group.
 
 
 AsburySteve1952
 Oh, and if YOU Guys  Ladies out there WANT Asbury Park to be 
 Corruption Free by July of 2009, you MUST make Contributions to, and 
 Volunteer for, the Campaigns of Myself and the Ministerial 
 Alliance's other 3 picked candidates for the May of 2009 Election 
 here! If you WANT a Safe  Corruption Free Asbury Park to Dine in, 
 see Concerts and spend time on our GOD given Beach  Man Made 
 Boardwalk, then DO Something to BRING Real Change! What's happened 
 So far is Unraveling, and the city is in DEEP Debt, and it's 
 growing! Don't believe the LIES! Sign up to AsburyParkCommunity 
 Yahoo Group, because the other A.P. Group is RUN  Controlled BY the 
 corrupt People! They DELETE Your Account if you say Anything bad 
 about the Redevelopment or it's enablers.






 
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[AsburyPark] Malkin Bashes Conservatives On Sub-Prime Fixes

2008-01-16 Thread justifiedright
I know Michelle isn't the cup of tea for most of you, but since we 
talk alot of real estate here, and she's taking on the Repubs in 
this one, I though you wouldn't mind.

I particularly liked the Davey Crockett quote.

Enjoy:

Lead Story

Wanted: A Suck It Up candidate

By Michelle Malkin  •  January 16, 2008 08:03 AM 

I need a man. A man who can say No. A man who rejects Big Nanny 
government. A man who thinks being president doesn't mean playing 
Santa Claus. A man who won't panic in the face of economic pain. A 
man who won't succumb to media-driven sob stories.

A man who can look voters, the media, and the Chicken Littles in 
Congress in the eye and say the three words no one wants to hear in 
Washington: Suck. It. Up.

The Michigan primary put economics at the top of the political radar 
screen, and the Democrat presidential candidates have been doling 
out spending proposals, stimulus packages, housing market rescues, 
and other election-year-goodie pledges like Pez candy dispensers 
gone haywire. Which leading GOP candidate represents fiscal 
accountability and limited government? Who will take the side of 
responsible homeowners and responsible borrowers livid at bipartisan 
bailout plans for a minority of Americans who bought more house than 
they should have and took out unwise mortgages they knew they 
couldn't repay?

I don't want to hear Republicans recycling the Blame Predatory 
Lenders rhetoric of Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Jesse Jackson. 
Enough with the victim card. Borrowers are not all saints. There's 
nothing compassionate about taking money from prudent, frugal 
families and using it to aid their reckless neighbors and co-workers 
who moved into McMansions they couldn't afford or went crazy tapping 
their home equity and now find themselves underwater.

Economist Tyler Cowen points out the problem of predatory borrowing —
 something you never hear politicians spotlight. He notes, As much 
as 70 percent of recent early payment defaults had fraudulent 
misrepresentations on their original loan applications, according 
to research on more than three million loans done by BasePoint 
Analytics. Many of the frauds were simple rather than ingenious. In 
some cases, borrowers who were asked to state their incomes just 
lied, sometimes reporting five times actual income; other borrowers 
falsified income documents by using computers. Too often, mortgage 
originators and middlemen looked the other way rather than slowing 
down the process or insisting on adequate documentation of income 
and assets. As long as housing prices kept rising, it didn't seem to 
matter.

Message to Washington: Stop treating every defaulting borrower like 
Mother Teresa.

At last week's FoxNews debate, the He-Men of the GOP field went all 
mealy-mouthed when asked about the signs of recession. Mitt Romney 
asserted our need to stop the housing crisis. Does he mean the 
government should insulate borrowers and lenders from culpability? 
Continue to artificially prop up housing prices? If so, why? If not, 
then what?

Last month, Mike Huckabee told an NPR reporter unequivocally that 
it is not the purpose of government to prop people up from every 
poor decision they make. Amen, Reverend Huckabee. But at the New 
Hampshire debate, he sheepishly avoided tough pronouncements and 
instead voiced support for President Bush's Hillarycare-Lite housing 
bailout since it didn't involve tax dollars. Yet. 

Huckabee is comforting himself and his followers with semantic self-
delusion. The Bush measures — including a subprime interest-rate 
freeze, a proposed expansion of the freeze to cover prime-rate 
borrowers, and a push to increase the availability of so-called 
jumbo mortgages and to lift the $417,000 loan cap — are the camel's 
nose under the tent. Eventually, responsible taxpayers will pay.

As for Straight Talk Senator John McCain, he immediately pitched 
federal education and job-training programs for laid-off 
workers. We need to go to the community colleges and design 
education and training programs so that these workers get a second 
chance. That's our obligation as a nation. It is? This is 
conservative? This is the alternative to Clintoncare? No, this is 
Clintoncare. Why can't Americans be expected to pay for their own 
schooling and retraining?

Fred Thompson, supposedly the conservative's conservative, asserted 
the need for a fiscal stimulus: I think that has to be considered 
somewhere along the line if the economy calls for it.

McCain and Romney want expansion of the Federal Housing 
Administration to allow borrowers to refinance — on the backs of 
taxpayers. Rudy Giuliani wants government aid for borrowers who 
were cheated. No word on what he would do to borrowers who did the 
cheating. (Summary of candidates' positions on the mortgage bailout 
here.)

As we head toward Super Tuesday, the subprime mess and the economy 
will dominate — and the Do Something Democrat candidates will turn 
their 

[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's Asbury Steve. Who cares about what he has to say? His whole
agenda is trashing AP on 
 the APP website whenever possible. 
 

He's a communist.




 
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[AsburyPark] FYI - Kushner

2008-01-16 Thread dfsavgny
Kushner Plunks Down $200M in Cash to Repay Loan
Jan 15, 2008
By: Barbra Murray, Contributing Editor

Premier New York City real estate concern Kushner Cos. has reached
into its pocket for $200 million in cash to pay off a loan, according
to a report by Reuters yesterday.

Kushner spent a whopping $1.8 billion in January 2007 to acquire the
1.5 million-square-foot office building at 666 Fifth Avenue in
Manhattan, relying on a $1 billon loan for the purchase. Kevin Swill,
president of Kushner, shared his thoughts on the current refinancing
market with Reuters, calling it, disturbing.

It is unclear if Kushner relied on cash reserves or if the company
sold properties specifically to pay the loan. However, its recent $25
million sale of its 85 percent stake in the 250,000-square-foot
Military Park Building at 60 Park Place in Newark, N.J., was
definitely not facilitated to get cash for the loan repayment. The
Berger Organization, which had already owned 15 percent of the
building, bought Kushner's share. The Military Park Building sale was
not at all involved with any other transactions, Gary Gabriel,
executive director with real estate services firm Cushman  Wakefield
Inc.'s Metropolitan capital markets group, told CPN today; Gabriel
marketed the property on behalf of Kushner.

While Gabriel was not involved in Kushner's loan repayment, he did
note that, due to the current lending climate, cash has become a much
larger component of purchase prices than it had been before mid-2007.

Reportedly, Kushner is due to pay another $200 million within the next
six months.

 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  It's Asbury Steve. Who cares about what he has to say? His whole
 agenda is trashing AP on 
  the APP website whenever possible. 
  
 
 He's a communist.


Yet we will have to suffer his whole crazy, anti-semitic, conspiracy 
laden campaign.

Last election there were 19 candidates.  The election before there 
were 23.  You can't have a decent debate forum.  By the time you 
intro the candidates and they make a 2 minute opening remark, you 
are out of time.

What do you folks think of having AP go to a party-system of 
election, rather than non-partisan.  There would be primaries to 
weed out the nuts.

It would also put AP on the County party radar, so AP could get more 
attention paid to it.

On the contrary side, I raised this to Kate Mellina once, and she 
told me that she never would have been on the Council because she 
would not have reveived the Democrat's nod to run.

Any ideas on having Asbury do what most of the county does and hold 
partisan elections with primaries?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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 Any ideas on having Asbury do what most of the county does and hold 
 partisan elections with primaries?


Personally I am tired of partisanship. Maybe there can be non-party
runoffs to winnow the field.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  Any ideas on having Asbury do what most of the county does and 
hold 
  partisan elections with primaries?
 
 
 Personally I am tired of partisanship. Maybe there can be non-party
 runoffs to winnow the field.



Good call.  Also maybe when groups like AP Action, Homeowners 
Assoc., etc. have debates they can use some discretion on the 
invites.

By the way  - APAction:  Has this group gone by the wayside since 
our beloved Joe D left us?   I only see them when it's time to 
endorse a candidate.  Joe D had them doing much more than that.

Anyone know anything about the status of that PAC?



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The plan needs

2008-01-16 Thread Allan Peterson
Who is the we?  I keep seeing WE and US.   


- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:45:46 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The plan needs

I forgot to mention the Wonder Bar and my glee to see that it's coming back in 
my 2 cents posted on Asbury Radio. Like to get your feedback. This is basically 
what I posted:
Motolla's Plans Stir Hope  Questions
 
The president and financial head of Madison Marquette Investments, Gary Motolla 
, must have mined every big name in the area over the past few months to put 
together his star-studded cast for the boardwalk's revival. 
 
We don't see any clunkers among the names we recognized, but are saddened not 
to see Eddie Gaspar 's restaurant in the First Avenue Pavilion  (formerly The 
Tides) missing from the press release and news report. Maybe we missed it.
 
We'd like to see more transparency in these announcements and plans. The 
announcement yesterday was termed a “press conference”, but we didn't get the 
feeling there were a lot of press questions answered, from the report by Nancy 
Shields in the APP, and we don't see anything in the Star-Ledger today. Channel 
12 had a report last night, which seemed pretty much a replay of the press 
release with some local shots of the boardwalk.
 
What's nagging at us -- 
We agree wholeheartedly with Mottola that the city can't come back without a 
concerted effort to stimulate all its facets, including things seemingly as 
diverse as the downtown business district and our educational system. Mottola's 
willingness to take on the residential developments, since Charles -- tear down 
that old historic carousel house, it's in my way -- Kushner decided to dump 
Wesley Lake and run is wise, too. How can you say come and have a great time 
when those empty windows are gaping at tourists like so many open mouths? But 
what about the impossible deal Asbury Partners left hanging in the air, which 
amounts to tentacles that remain in the project long after the property deed is 
signed over?
 
We're talking about, in addition to the per unit development rights of about 
$100k per, the 7% piece on the sale of every unit, and $20,000 per unit for the 
infrastructure improvement reimbursement, and the Partners’ retention of all 
commercial rights on the sites. This is the piece of the story that never gets 
discussed. When we’ve brought it up, we’re quickly hushed up.
 
This is why the developers have been trying to achieve mission impossible - 
build quality units with skilled labor with the best materials, and sell at 
market rates, while giving the Partners their share -- and ride out a 
Recession, and a credit and real estate Crash. No wonder it caved in.
 
In the Press, Hugh Lamle , of  MD Sass, a partner in Asbury Partners, hinted at 
needing to help Dean Geibel of Metro Homes, whose building the Esperanza is now 
suspended in animation, a cold reminder on the same piece of land as the famous 
symbol of the last fiasco. He got caught in this national financing debacle, 
Lamle's quoted saying. Was it the “national debacle” or a far more local one? 
Perhaps the Partners' Mission Impossible Deal? 
 
He can’t do much about the national economy but is Lamle willing to change this 
impossible agreement? Loosen the handcuffs?  
 
Mottola is quoted saying he needs to negotiate a subsequent redeveloper 
agreement with the city for the boardwalk plans and an agreement on the Kushner 
properties. Is this when the tentacles of the existing contracts with Asbury 
Partners will bare their slimy barbs? Isn't the city itself, mum at yesterday’s 
press conference, also negotiating yet another agreement with the Partners -- 
the global settlement agreement?  
 
Was Kushner's decision to pull out prompted at all by his unwillingness to fork 
over 7% of the sale of the Wesley Grove units to Asbury Partners? Twenty-two 
have been sold; we'd like to know if 7% of those sale prices went to the 
Partners. It's time the residents and officials of Asbury Park knew the details 
of these deals. 
 
And, by the way, where is Cherokee Investments? Last time we looked they were 
50% of Asbury Partners. Don't they have a say in this? Our former redevelopment 
attorney Jimmy Aaron said Cherokee put $30 million into the Partners’ pot. Did 
they sell their share? If so, who bought it? 
 
We have a right to be in the loop, because it is our taxes, our businesses and 
our homes on the line.
If we're entering a new phase with Madison Marquette let’s be sure we're on 
equal footing. We can't be if only some parties know the details. Otherwise the 
plans sound wonderful.
 
 

Maureen Nevin
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88.1FM - 6 Years on the Air!!  Would've been 7 this July...
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The APP story about MM

2008-01-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 1/16/2008 8:14:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  It was around, just not available to the public. It was called  USENET!


yea, I know. I'm 46 and was in labs at Merrill testing  cell phones
that only our key clients had. And I was the hit of the  party
lugging home a laptop the size of a briefcase and loading 32 3.5  in
disks onto a pc to load windows...and was a displaywrite,  IBM36,
Lotus123 guru. And those displaywrite docs were loaded with 2  5
disks..I van't even count he different languages I either had to  try
to learn or , as a tech writer (scary), write about. 
 
Ah fond memories.  Got through grad school assignments using Tandy's  TRS 80  
(Trash 80) and thought that Find and Replace was great fun;  looked forward 
to making my advisor's corrections.
 
I remember many doubting Thomases back then who couldn't imagine  computers 
ever becoming a household item.  Studied Basic programming  language which soon 
became obsolete; but it was a great example of strict logic  for an 
application to work.  Also was useful as an example to students how  one 
misplaced word 
or punctuation mark could screw up thousands of lines in a  program.
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: The APP story about MM

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
 Also was useful as an example to students how  one misplaced word 
 or punctuation mark could screw up thousands of lines in a  program.
  
 
Many hours spent in Mon College (at that time) computer lab with stacks 
of cards watching them fly through the card readers. Then for fun, 
shoving a card in someone else's deck that was to be run.

I also have a direct pc dish on my roof and an extra arm as a 
reminder. Meanwhile, my son is showing me his itouch and all the new 
games they just got ahead of apples release. Games like Pong. Yep, 
somone went to troule of creating Pong for the iTouch. Flashback to the 
boardwalk and Nick's arcade around 73-74.




 
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[AsburyPark] In article about two officers getting killed in GA

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
This is aproblem not just in AP but everywhere:

Patreka Anderson, a resident of the complex, said she was awakened by 
the gunshots but did not think anything of it because the neighborhood 
around the Glenwood Gardens apartment complex is a high-crime area with 
a lot of drug activity and prostitution.

We always hear shooting, she said. I didn't think that was any big 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 1/16/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


It's  Asbury Steve. 
What a nightmare his candidacy would be for this city!
He's Asbury Park's reincarnation of Father Coughlin.  _Charles  E. Coughlin | 
historical film footage_ 
(http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=enModuleId=10005516MediaId=2517)  
 

Who  cares about what he has to say? His whole agenda is trashing AP on the 
APP  website whenever possible. 
Hopefully, all those nonsensical posts there and here will come back  to 
haunt his candidacy.
 
 
I'll go back to MM's press release as an antidote to this poisonous  news.
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread rook782
No, if anything, parties are loosing power. The rise of the 
independent candidates will continue to grow.  I'd say in about 
twenty years the Republican and Democratic parties will be gone.  

I think Asbury Park is actually ahead of the rest in this area,  keep 
it non-partisan.

There is a city who had the same problem with too many candidates and 
developed a way to elect the most preferred top five candidates out 
of a field of many running.  It might have been San Francisco.  I'll 
try and find something on it later.

And lastly, about weeding out nuts. Your point is not without 
debate.  I think we'd all agree many nuts get elected in the two 
party system currently in place.
 

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 What do you folks think of having AP go to a party-system of 
 election, rather than non-partisan.  There would be primaries to 
 weed out the nuts.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
More importantly is power.

The power to make decisions that have major, major impacts has to be 
changed - somehow. I guess you can only vote based on how informed you 
are, your advice of hired experts (independent) and your own 
professional experience.  You can't be right all the time - but a 90% 
avg would be pretty good.

Maybe that's where MM is thinking - you have to truly understand 
development, financing, marketing and how to utilize money effetively 
to produce a return. You can't tell me if given several hundred 
million/year to run this town and schools, MM might be able to pprovide 
for the entire community ove the next 5 years ($1 billion). 

I think everyone wants to see the ENTIRE community rebound. Time to 
make it happen. Westside as well.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The APP story about MM

2008-01-16 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 1/16/2008 11:27:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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Games  like Pong. Yep, 
somone went to troule of creating Pong for the iTouch.  Flashback to the 
boardwalk and Nick's arcade around  73-74.
 
For me it was at The Deck House (now Moonstruck).
The Corrubias bought the building from John Laughlin (of Terrace Gardens  
fame).
 
Loved to go there to schmooze with Ida Corrubia  and practice my Pongmanship 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The west side of our city absolutely needs the same kind of 
redevelopment opportunities  being presented to other parts of the 
city. I think actually making a major effort to improved the quality of 
life everywhere in the city will go very far. Asbury Park, as a 
 whole, needs to be a place that people are proud to live in, and 
proud of being a part of in  general.


The trick is to build another community focal point on that side as 
well. In the long run, removing and rebuilding (rebuilding and 
removing) the existing housing from the old days and creating a west 
side town center that flows into mainstreet is needed. The billion $ 
question who is going to pay for it? One strip along Springwood isn't 
the entire answer. Neither is providing new housing - both subsidized 
and affordable. It all takes some pride in where you live. A shame 
you can't move the rr tracks and main street further west. Or can u?

See, I have ALL the answers.



 
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[AsburyPark] Googled San Francisco Election Method

2008-01-16 Thread rook782
I was right, it was San Francisco that has the top rated way to hold a 
mayoral election.  The second found item in the search explains the 
method in a PDF file,  It's a booklet published by The Center for 
Voting and Democracy entitled Mayoral Election Methods . Can someone 
link it to our site so we and the lurkers could view it more easily?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Jack Pitzer
One of the things that I've always wished for our city would be for the west 
side to actually 
rise up and make an effort to change itself...to say to the world look what 
we've done with 
our community and make an example of positive change. Unfortunately, I don't 
think our 
city, or the west side, has a charismatic leader that could be the driving 
force behind such 
a change.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  The west side of our city absolutely needs the same kind of 
 redevelopment opportunities  being presented to other parts of the 
 city. I think actually making a major effort to improved the quality of 
 life everywhere in the city will go very far. Asbury Park, as a 
  whole, needs to be a place that people are proud to live in, and 
 proud of being a part of in  general.
 
 
 The trick is to build another community focal point on that side as 
 well. In the long run, removing and rebuilding (rebuilding and 
 removing) the existing housing from the old days and creating a west 
 side town center that flows into mainstreet is needed. The billion $ 
 question who is going to pay for it? One strip along Springwood isn't 
 the entire answer. Neither is providing new housing - both subsidized 
 and affordable. It all takes some pride in where you live. A shame 
 you can't move the rr tracks and main street further west. Or can u?
 
 See, I have ALL the answers.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread denise
ONE QUESTIONWHY DOES OUR CITY HAVE TO BE DIVIDED

ONE STATEMENT--WE HAVE THE SAME LEADERS FOR THE WEST
SIDE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EAST SIDE.

THE CITY SHOULD RISE AS A WHOLE

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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Jack Pitzer
I totally agree.
What I mostly mean is that the west side needs to reject the gangs,
the drug dealers, and all of the bad stuff that gives the whole city a
bad reputation. Most of the rest of the city has already started to
rise up, but because of one small part of the community, the entire
city is stigmatized. I'd like nothing more then to see our city
united. Maybe I'm wrong, but our city lacks strong and visible leadership.

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 ONE QUESTIONWHY DOES OUR CITY HAVE TO BE DIVIDED
 
 ONE STATEMENT--WE HAVE THE SAME LEADERS FOR THE WEST
 SIDE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EAST SIDE.
 
 THE CITY SHOULD RISE AS A WHOLE
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Denise
Hinge maybe you don't see it but drug sales and gangs are not just on 
the westside---I have reported drug sales that I have seen on the 
east side---just like you see the prostitution on the east side the 
prostitution is also on the west side---the drug dealers and gang 
members do not discriminate they are throughout the City of Asbury 
and need to be removed.  The East side is at present being beautified 
with new business and new people but if we don't remove the rift raft 
as a whole we can forget about the whole town.  Because the drug 
dealers and gang members (who are the drug dealers) will go where 
they can make their money.   

Gang members are drug dealers fighting for territorial rights

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I totally agree.
 What I mostly mean is that the west side needs to reject the gangs,
 the drug dealers, and all of the bad stuff that gives the whole 
city a
 bad reputation. Most of the rest of the city has already started to
 rise up, but because of one small part of the community, the entire
 city is stigmatized. I'd like nothing more then to see our city
 united. Maybe I'm wrong, but our city lacks strong and visible 
leadership.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote:
 
  ONE QUESTIONWHY DOES OUR CITY HAVE TO BE DIVIDED
  
  ONE STATEMENT--WE HAVE THE SAME LEADERS FOR THE WEST
  SIDE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EAST SIDE.
  
  THE CITY SHOULD RISE AS A WHOLE
  
  UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
  
  
  
   
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
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 Gang members are drug dealers fighting for territorial rights
 


CAMERAS...track them when they come into AP and when they leave. If 
they come to buy and then leave you watch. 

Try vacating a couple of streets as well - change the flow of traffic. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Jack Pitzer
Are you kidding me? I've called the PD about drug sales right out
front of my house, and if you recall, I'm also the person who called
the PD after I found a hypodermic needle in Library Square Park one
Sunday morning. I agree that these activities don't just occur on the
west side, but if you look at the overall history of crime in the
city, a majority of it has always occured in the west side area. What
I'm mostly talking about is a community policing itself, rejecting the
gang/drug lifestyle, rejecting the welfare mentality and making a
positive example instead of an enduring negative one.
Part of this involves the hope that MM brings to the city.
I've said this many times before...there really isn't all that much
opportunity for the youth of AP, either for jobs (summer or year
round) or any form of recreation. We don't have BB courts, tennis
courts, public baseball fields, a community center...none of that.
Maybe it's just me, but when I see kids having to play touch football
in a ditch on Main Street in front of the train station, something is
wrong. Not with the fact that kids are playing, but they have to
improvise a playing field out of a ditch.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hinge maybe you don't see it but drug sales and gangs are not just on 
 the westside---I have reported drug sales that I have seen on the 
 east side---just like you see the prostitution on the east side the 
 prostitution is also on the west side---the drug dealers and gang 
 members do not discriminate they are throughout the City of Asbury 
 and need to be removed.  The East side is at present being beautified 
 with new business and new people but if we don't remove the rift raft 
 as a whole we can forget about the whole town.  Because the drug 
 dealers and gang members (who are the drug dealers) will go where 
 they can make their money.   
 
 Gang members are drug dealers fighting for territorial rights
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I totally agree.
  What I mostly mean is that the west side needs to reject the gangs,
  the drug dealers, and all of the bad stuff that gives the whole 
 city a
  bad reputation. Most of the rest of the city has already started to
  rise up, but because of one small part of the community, the entire
  city is stigmatized. I'd like nothing more then to see our city
  united. Maybe I'm wrong, but our city lacks strong and visible 
 leadership.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote:
  
   ONE QUESTIONWHY DOES OUR CITY HAVE TO BE DIVIDED
   
   ONE STATEMENT--WE HAVE THE SAME LEADERS FOR THE WEST
   SIDE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EAST SIDE.
   
   THE CITY SHOULD RISE AS A WHOLE
   
   UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
   
   
   

  
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

.
 Maybe it's just me, but when I see kids having to play touch football
 in a ditch on Main Street in front of the train station, something is
 wrong. Not with the fact that kids are playing, but they have to
 improvise a playing field out of a ditch.


I suppose you want a golf course as well):

 - Recreation and the FIELDS to play on are a real problem.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Jack Pitzer
Mini golf maybe.
Everyday on my drive home down 71, I see kids coming and going at the
community centers in Belmar etc. Why don't we have one of those? It
certainly would go a long way.
There was a kid in my neighborhood who moved away recently. His idea
of weekend fun was playing in the street near The Flamingo and
throwing rocks at bungalows. Nice little kid. But, no place to play
for him. No playgrounds, no other kids around. No BB court for after
school action...nothing. I think this is a major issue for the city.
That, and jobs...summer jobs etc. Too bad AP doesn't have it's own
version of the Civilian Conservation Corps to give kids jobs around
the city, working on beautification projects ect. Something like that
could help build a kids pride in the place where they live. I helped
build that etc...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
 .
  Maybe it's just me, but when I see kids having to play touch football
  in a ditch on Main Street in front of the train station, something is
  wrong. Not with the fact that kids are playing, but they have to
  improvise a playing field out of a ditch.
 
 
 I suppose you want a golf course as well):
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Denise
We are both in agreement with the main concept it needs to be cleaned 
up.  It will have to be a community project---but it can't be a 
divided community.

We are also both in agreement that there really isn't all that much
 opportunity for the youth of AP, either for jobs (summer or year
 round) or any form of recreation. We don't have BB courts, tennis
 courts, public baseball fields, a community center...none of that.

No they should not have to play in the ditch on main street.

But we have to work together and stand together for all of Asbury.  
Do we have to have a leader---yes that's the reason for voting 
AsburySteve will get my vote when hell freezes over


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are you kidding me? I've called the PD about drug sales right out
 front of my house, and if you recall, I'm also the person who called
 the PD after I found a hypodermic needle in Library Square Park one
 Sunday morning. I agree that these activities don't just occur on 
the
 west side, but if you look at the overall history of crime in the
 city, a majority of it has always occured in the west side area. 
What
 I'm mostly talking about is a community policing itself, rejecting 
the
 gang/drug lifestyle, rejecting the welfare mentality and making a
 positive example instead of an enduring negative one.
 Part of this involves the hope that MM brings to the city.
 I've said this many times before...there really isn't all that much
 opportunity for the youth of AP, either for jobs (summer or year
 round) or any form of recreation. We don't have BB courts, tennis
 courts, public baseball fields, a community center...none of that.
 Maybe it's just me, but when I see kids having to play touch 
football
 in a ditch on Main Street in front of the train station, something 
is
 wrong. Not with the fact that kids are playing, but they have to
 improvise a playing field out of a ditch.
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Denise denisemchd@ wrote:
 
  Hinge maybe you don't see it but drug sales and gangs are not 
just on 
  the westside---I have reported drug sales that I have seen on the 
  east side---just like you see the prostitution on the east side 
the 
  prostitution is also on the west side---the drug dealers and gang 
  members do not discriminate they are throughout the City of 
Asbury 
  and need to be removed.  The East side is at present being 
beautified 
  with new business and new people but if we don't remove the rift 
raft 
  as a whole we can forget about the whole town.  Because the drug 
  dealers and gang members (who are the drug dealers) will go where 
  they can make their money.   
  
  Gang members are drug dealers fighting for territorial rights
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   I totally agree.
   What I mostly mean is that the west side needs to reject the 
gangs,
   the drug dealers, and all of the bad stuff that gives the whole 
  city a
   bad reputation. Most of the rest of the city has already 
started to
   rise up, but because of one small part of the community, the 
entire
   city is stigmatized. I'd like nothing more then to see our city
   united. Maybe I'm wrong, but our city lacks strong and visible 
  leadership.
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise denisemchd@ wrote:
   
ONE QUESTIONWHY DOES OUR CITY HAVE TO BE DIVIDED

ONE STATEMENT--WE HAVE THE SAME LEADERS FOR THE WEST
SIDE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EAST SIDE.

THE CITY SHOULD RISE AS A WHOLE

UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL



 
   
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: The plan needs

2008-01-16 Thread dfsavgny
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 Who is the we?  I keep seeing WE and US.   
 


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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread rogerpoulard
Can't City Council/Mayoral elections be held on the regular election
day if AP goes partisan? And then we might actually see turnout for
local races that exceeds 10%?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, if anything, parties are loosing power. The rise of the 
 independent candidates will continue to grow.  I'd say in about 
 twenty years the Republican and Democratic parties will be gone.  
 
 I think Asbury Park is actually ahead of the rest in this area,  keep 
 it non-partisan.
 
 There is a city who had the same problem with too many candidates and 
 developed a way to elect the most preferred top five candidates out 
 of a field of many running.  It might have been San Francisco.  I'll 
 try and find something on it later.
 
 And lastly, about weeding out nuts. Your point is not without 
 debate.  I think we'd all agree many nuts get elected in the two 
 party system currently in place.
  
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
  What do you folks think of having AP go to a party-system of 
  election, rather than non-partisan.  There would be primaries to 
  weed out the nuts.
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rogerpoulard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Can't City Council/Mayoral elections be held on the regular election
 day if AP goes partisan? And then we might actually see turnout for
 local races that exceeds 10%?

Yes that would be one of the upsides.  It would also save the City $ 
because we would be putting on one less election.




 
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[AsburyPark] More repairs done on Library Sq. Pk. fountain!!!

2008-01-16 Thread Jack Pitzer
Somehow, the globes have been replaced on the Library Square Park fountain, and 
it's lights 
are now shining brightly!
I don't know who to thank for this, but should that person, or group, read 
this...thank you 
from all of the citizens such as myself who love the park.
This is greatly appreciated.
As usual, I'll remain vigilant and try and keep my eye on things.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: More repairs done on Library Sq. Pk. fountain!!!

2008-01-16 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Somehow, the globes have been replaced on the Library Square Park 
fountain, and it's lights 
 are now shining brightly!
 I don't know who to thank for this, but should that person, or group, 
read this...thank you 
 from all of the citizens such as myself who love the park.
 This is greatly appreciated.
 As usual, I'll remain vigilant and try and keep my eye on things.

the thank you which is not necesary but is aprreciated should go to the 
historical society and the public works dept., thank you for noticing, 
lets hope they last



 
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[AsburyPark]

2008-01-16 Thread Jersey Shore John
Girls In Their Summer Clothes, the latest single from Bruce  
Springsteen's album, Magic, makes its debut on iTunes. Shot in Ocean  
Grove and Asbury Park, New Jersey, the video is available on iTunes  
today along with two exclusive bonus tracks.

ITunes Link


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread John C. LiDestri
In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mini golf maybe.
 Everyday on my drive home down 71, I see kids coming and going at 
the
 community centers in Belmar etc. Why don't we have one of those? It
 certainly would go a long way.
 There was a kid in my neighborhood who moved away recently. His 
idea
 of weekend fun was playing in the street near The Flamingo and
 throwing rocks at bungalows. Nice little kid. But, no place to play
 for him. No playgrounds, no other kids around. No BB court for 
after
 school action...nothing. I think this is a major issue for the 
city.
 That, and jobs...summer jobs etc. Too bad AP doesn't have it's own
 version of the Civilian Conservation Corps to give kids jobs around
 the city, working on beautification projects ect. Something like 
that
 could help build a kids pride in the place where they live. I 
helped
 build that etc...


great points Jack

after reading the MM press release it seems apparent that they must 
have derived many of their proposed objectives from this yahoo 
forum...let's hope they read your above post as well. keeping the 
kids busy is so important, I was in the arcade on the boardwalk this 
summer a few times and the local kids working there really seemed to 
take pride in their work and were also having fun while doing so.

fyi to all.the check cleared.  
 
John










 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 fyi to all.the check cleared.  
  
 John


Congratulations.

Look at this way, you might of lost more if you had left in a mutual
fund or stock.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The APP story about MM

2008-01-16 Thread FleurDeLis
So, you're my son's age!  In 77', I was using an IBM 64K, DeskTop,
using UNIX, the language Bell Labs invented and is the server for
Microsoft Windows.  Ask Bill Gates!  In 78, microwave telephones were
being road tested in cars, at the Napierville, Il. Labs and that was
when I was laision for the 1934 TelCom Act.  All menu driven languages
are based on Unix or the commercial Linux!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, FleurDeLis sharon_b283@ wrote:
  It was around, just not available to the public.  It was called
USENET!
 
 yea, I know. I'm 46 and was in labs at Merrill testing cell phones
 that only our key clients had. And I was the hit of the party
 lugging home a laptop the size of a briefcase and loading 32 3.5 in
 disks onto a pc to load windows...and was a displaywrite, IBM36,
 Lotus123 guru. And those displaywrite docs were loaded with 2 5
 disks..I van't even count he different languages I either had to try
 to learn or , as a tech writer (scary), write about. 
 
 Think compuserve. 
 
 Now I need glasses to text (unless u get an itouch) and CH has wireless.
 
 MM should make sure there is wireless on the BW and beach
 
 that way we're never far away/


Oh well, you certainly learned your acronyms!



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

2008-01-16 Thread Allan Peterson
Great post Oak.  Funny, sad and so TRUE


- Original Message 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:09:45 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2009 AP CIty Council Candidate Announcement!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, John C. LiDestri nobepeymay@ ...
wrote:

 
 fyi to all.the check cleared. 
 
 John


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[AsburyPark] Government's Role in the Irish Miracle

2008-01-16 Thread Mario

Entrepreneurship Takes Off in Ireland January 17, 2008

Excerpts from Entrepreneurship Takes Off in Ireland - New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/business/smallbusiness/17edge.html?ei\
=5087em=en=813ea31012b576a6ex=1200632400pagewanted=all

DUBLIN — Ireland is now alive with enthusiasm for entrepreneurs, who
seemingly rank just below rock stars in popularity.

Then there are the government-sponsored studies proclaiming that Ireland
ranks third in the European Union in early-stage entrepreneurial
activity. And Enterprise Ireland, an agency of the Irish government that
gives fledgling small companies a helping hand, has even leased space in
an office building in Midtown Manhattan to serve as an incubator for
businesses hoping to expand into the American market.

The relatively new emphasis on entrepreneurs in Ireland is the
culmination of nearly four decades of government policies that have
lifted the economy from centuries of poverty to modern prosperity.

The change began when Ireland entered the European Union in 1973. In
subsequent years, the government rewrote its tax policies to attract
foreign investment by American corporations, made all education free
through the university level and changed tax rates and used direct
equity investment to encourage Irish people to set up their own
businesses.

Government help for Irish entrepreneurs grew out of an overall economic
policy devised in 1987 that reduced personal taxes, said Kevin Sherry, a
director of Enterprise Ireland who specializes in start-up companies.

Enterprise Ireland has also put up initial capital for venture
investment funds and supports research and development. We must
support new approaches, nanotechnology, biotechnology and other sciences
because we cannot succeed in the future using what got us here in the
past.

The government agency is at the heart of several trends. Enterprise
Ireland supports research and development at Irish companies and
universities, Professor O'Gorman said, and it is
encouraging more women to become entrepreneurs, as the role of women has
changed in Irish life.



[AsburyPark] A look at Long Branch and AP

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
From the BAC (Broadway Arts Center)

The four components:

1. Arts/Entertainment
2. Retail
3. Residential
4. Gathering Places

Treat your self to a world-class culinary assortment of delicious
dining places: grab a “bite” at a hip cyber-café, enjoy scrumptious
sushi or a tasty taco, or indulge in an intimate candlelit dinner for
two at an elegant dining establishment. And if you’re still hungry for
more…you can dance the night away at a trendy club or simply sip your
favorite cocktails at a top-shelf bar.

cut  paste

Can't duplicate CH/Paramount nor the Berk. You already have Cookman
and you have that one extra body of water known as Wesley Lake.
http://www.broadwaycenter.net/





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Government's Role in the Irish Miracle

2008-01-16 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Entrepreneurship Takes Off in Ireland January 17, 2008
 
And it exists here in the us.

I;m poking around to see how my kid may get grants or scholarship $.
Good sat - but otherwise jsut really enjoyed school. 

From this side of the street there seems to be plenty of opportunity
here in the US. I know there's more then just tossing money at a
problem, but opportunity does exist.




 
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