[AsburyPark] Re: WoW - TGIO

[Gabrielle Obre]

what about the impression we have of you? someone who hides behind
anonymity, doensn't seem to have any affection for the place seeing as
you seem only to make fun of it. you don't even visit the place.
enjoying it seems impossible to you, though obviously there are people
who do...though since you don't come here you couldn't possibly know
that...and you still haven't come up with the proof that it was
supposed to be finished.

what are the posts like on a community board in your town? If i am
personalizing someone let me know, but my curiosity is intense. how
can you not wonder about the person behind such posts? fascinating. I
just can't imagine how I would come to be so negatively interested in
a place I don't live, don't visit and don't even like. vicarious
living and in a joyless way.

and you do realize that lots of posters don't even live in ap, right?
 which would completely invalidate any reason to not come here based
on postings. You and Tracy are having the same problem on this one.
 
sort of like mistaking the map for the territory. eating the menu. and
just generally living life at arms length. 


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Thank God Its Over
 
 What a huge huge bad impression the posts on this board have made.
 I cant believe the crap that came from some of you. Completely changed
 my impression of the caliber of people in AP. No wonder AP has been
 sooo messed up for sooo long.
 
 OK, so I'm a outsider, My opinion doesn't count... Right? Wake up,
 this is a publicly readable board and if you think the past weeks have
 made a good impression and will encourage people to visit AP you are
 out of your minds.
 
 I turned some friends on to the group thinking they could back me up
 about the importance of visual impressions and the delivering what was
 promised. WoW... did they get a wakeup reading all that crap.
 
 They, and I'm sure many lurkers, or just people who got here by google
 are shocked by the nastiness and will not even think of visiting now.
 
 Does it matter? Is the beach done yet? . Lets see, it was supposed
 to be last Memorial day.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[mark07712]

If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see how 
far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like names, 
however, it's a lot classier to admit what  they have accomplished 
and just move on.  

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 John,
 That, in essence, is what I was saying!  Between Joe the plumber, 
her
 inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not 
knowing 3
 Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens 
like
 me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor?  Makes 
you
 wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
 
 Empty suit and empty head!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help. She's 
an  
  empty suit dress.
  
  On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
   I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama was a
   positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows how 
that
   translates to policy).
  
   Hope was carrying the day.
  
   I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was the 
wrong
   way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for McCain 
over
   the years.
  
   I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
   consulting.
  
   McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit of 
policy
   sprinkled in.
  
   Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did the 
same
   thing Bin Laden did.
  
   You just couldn't win with that as priority one at this moment 
in
   time. Were it November 4, 2002, 2003 or 2004 perhaps. Once the
   Market crashed on September 15 McCain needed to talk about 
nothing
   but money.
  
   Whomever is punching Palin in the nose today from the McCain 
camp
   should never be hired again.
  
   Even if anything they said was true, you take that sort of 
thing to
   the grave. You never turn on the guy you were working for.
  
   I don't think anything they are saying about Palin is true 
anyway.
   It was clear in every speech she was on the message they put 
her on.
  
   I saw her go rouge once when she disagreed about the Michigan
   pullout.
  
   She was right.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ 
wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 
sharon_b283@
 wrote:
 
  We don't loathe them! They're both Dumb and Dumber! 
She IS
 a pig
  wearing lipstick and he's just a PIG!
 


 Palin is a woman.

 Somehow, she made it to the top. Somehow, she can't be a 
total
   idiot.
   
I don't think she is an idiot at all. I think she is cunning 
and a
tough politician. I disagree with her politics and personal
   choices of
how she campaigns. She is certainly getting the short end of 
the
   stick
from the McCain campaign. He chose her but they are now 
blaming her
for their loss. It was McCain's campaign to lose and he did.
   
But my problem with her and McCain is the negative tone of 
their
campaign. Each of us makes a personal choice. Theirs was to 
listen
   to
the Rove and Bush people that parchuted into their campaign. 
They
   are
out again and don't give two hoots about Palin or McCain. 
even
   hear
that it was Palin's own idea to go after the AYers thing. 
Shame on
them all.
   
  
  
   
  
  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Official!

[sharon_b283]

Guess who benefitted from Affirmative Action?  White women and Asians!
 Blacks can barely get a promotion or job, because these 2 groups ride
on our backs, oh and also West Indians that look Black but when tell
you in a New York minute, that THEY have a country, be it Haiti,
Jamaica or Trinidad, by way of Brooklyn!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Really It Is NOT. It is very serious.
 The Racism situation is up to Obama now. He has to declare everyone
as equal. Obama has to get rid of Affirmative Action. If he does that
then he will be famous for Equality. If he does nothing including
addressing any racist group actions , then he will be known as a RACIST.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 7:32:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
 
 
 Yeah. Racism is hysterical. Ha. Ha.
 
 On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:56 AM, Rock Musician wrote:
 
  Well first ting Obama be doin, be intraduecin Ghettonomicsto merica.
  Plan be dis 
  1) learn how to fist... man you aint noin where the mans hand was 
  bifore you be shackin it so fist it.
  2) Tax everybody .. ya know i be here now so fuc~ everybody just 
  tax da shit outta anyone workin.
  3) give the money to my illegal aunt an her friends.
  4) get da rest of da money to my terrorist budies.
  5) get the terrorists the locations of all merican nuc weapons sites.
  6) dis arm Mericans, to make a takeover easyier.
  7) teach any hard worker to bend over and give his or her backdoor 
  away to anyone i say.
  8) start advertizin for da new Merican language. somin like 
  dis ...  And you to can learn to read my new plan for Merica. 
  Just send check or money order to Bamaphonics . unless you be on 
  welfare den you get it for free das right free.
 
 
  Well, Can we joke around or its this going to offend someone. 
  Really its only a kiddding lighten up fun.
 
 
   _ _ __
  From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] com
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 4:23:11 PM
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Official!
 
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@  
  wrote:
  
   That's ridiculous. From what I understand, that money is going to be
  used to improve healthcare, improve our energy independence and
  responsibility, fix our broken education systems and on and on.
  .
 
  Let's get back to Asbury Park related topics.
 
  money does not fix a broken education system (all the time)
 
  There.
 
  That's Asbury related.
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: DEP designates Springwood Avenue Brownfield Development Area

[sharon_b283]

Wrong, JR!  While a member of the Board of Adjustment from 1997-99, I
sat in on hearings from then owner, Phil Konvitz, about soil
contamination in all of the Springwood area, the stories of how the
leveled land was used as a dumping ground for old, discarded
appliances, that had to be dug up by backhoes, just to regrade
properties, for the few town homes over there!

At the time, his associate had come before the board, thinking that
the building of 3 bedroom homes, 2 baths, constituted a change of use,
when in fact, you need only to petition the board, if a complete
change is needed.  The initial permit to build homes, had not changed,
so the new petition, was moot and needn't have come before us!

The fact that the land had old TV's refrigerators, stoves, etc., were
leeching chemicals from rain run-off, which is one reason why it is
designated Brownfield and run-off from Ocean Township that leeches
into Sunset Lake from Seaview Mall negates your statement that Asbury
Park doesn't think beyond its' borders.  It's Neptune, that watches
everything Asbury does, then try to best them! That old bastion of
racism, Ocean Grove, has to comply with Neptune Township, since they
became part of it.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well Michael whatever the case it seems to me to be a good thing.  
 Anytime AP can get money from outsided  -  take it.
 
 Like I said earlier this week, AP traditionally does not pay 
 attention beyond its borders.  
 
 This development with Brownfields is contrary to that.
 
 Nice job to you those responsible.
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ 
 wrote:
 
  The designation from what I've been told will help to ID the 
 additional
  contaminated property and provide funds for clean-up.  There are 
 several
  properties in the area of Springwood, Lake and Ocean Avenues 
 currently on
  the open Brownfield list.
  
   
  
  I have been unable to find a copy of my letter which went with the
  application, will try and get additional information over the next 
 few days.
  
   
  
   
  
  From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of justifiedright
  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:02 PM
  To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: DEP designates Springwood Avenue 
 Brownfield
  Development Area
  
   
  
  I understood already what a Brownfield is. What is the 
 contamination 
  alleged to have been spilled (particularly over such a large area?).
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%
 40yahoogroups.com ,
  Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ 
  wrote:
  
   What is a Brownfield site? 
   
   Any former or current commercial or industrial site that is 
  currently
   vacant or underutilized and on which there has been, or there is 
  suspected
   to have been, a discharge of contamination. From:
   http://www.state.nj.us/dep//srp/kcsnj/
  http://www.state.nj.us/dep/srp/kcsnj/ 
   
   The designation is important for the redevelopment of Springwood 
  Avenue! The
   Springwood Avenue Brownfield Development Area is a joining with 
  Neptune Twp
   West Lake Avenue Brownfield Development Area to address (in part) 
  the
   contamination going into Wesley Lake, in additions to the items 
  pointed out
   in the AP article.
   
   The storm water run-offs along Springwood and West Lake Avenues 
 end 
  up in
   Wesley Lake!
   
   
   
   
   
   From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%
 40yahoogroups.com  
  [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%
 40yahoogroups.com ]
  On
   Behalf Of oakdorf
   Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:13 PM
   To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%
 40yahoogroups.com 
   Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: DEP designates Springwood Avenue 
  Brownfield
   Development Area
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%
 40yahoogroups.com
  mailto:AsburyPark%
  40yahoogroups.com ,
   oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
   
   
   
   so here's the closed remediated cases in AP:
   
   http://www.state.nj.us/dep//srp/kcsnj/kcsnj_closed.xls
  http://www.state.nj.us/dep/srp/kcsnj/kcsnj_closed.xls 
   http://www.state.nj.us/dep/srp/kcsnj/kcsnj_closed.xls 
   
   If you have natural gas you may of had oil (or coal) before. So 
 if 
  you 
   see your address, don't get alarmed.
   
   Cleaners, gas stations, junk yards, etc - almost everyone has had 
  an 
   accident requiring a report.
   
   better yet, use the DEP data miner...
   
   http://datamine2.state.nj.us/dep/DEP_OPRA/
   
   
   
   
   
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[AsburyPark] On the Pulse of Morning

[MarioAPNJ]

Some of my favorite lines excerpted from Maya Angelou’s 1993 Inaugural  Poem. 
 It seems more relevant now.
 
On The Pulse Of Morning
 
(Complete text herehttp://poetry.eserver.org/angelou.html  or hear and 
see here   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtw62Ah2zY
 
You , created only a little lower than
The angels, have crouched  too long in
The bruising darkness….
 
Across the wall of the world,
A River sings a beautiful  song.
It says, come, rest here by my side.
 
Before cynicism was a bloody sear across your
Brow and when you  yet knew you still
Knew nothing.
 
The River sang and sings on.
 
Praying for a dream
Here, root yourselves beside  me.
 
Lift up your faces, you have a piercing need
For this bright  morning dawning for you.
History, despite its wrenching pain,
Cannot be  unlived, and if faced
With courage, need not be lived again.
 
Women, children, men,
Do not be wedded forever
To fear, yoked  eternally
To brutishness.
 
Here, on the pulse of this fine day
You may have the  courage
To look up and out and upon me, the 
Rock, the River, the Tree,  your country.
 
Here on the pulse of this new day
You may have the grace to look  up and out
And into your sister's eye and into
Your brother's face, your  country
And say simply
 
Very simply
 
With hope
 
Good Morning.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Testing Him Already

[sharon_b283]

I'm confident that this and other challenges dumped in his lap, by
the rogues in the White House for the last 8 years, will be handled
with diplomacy.  Comments congratulating Obama, from Dubya and Condi,
are a day late and a pound short!  There's nothing like an educated
fool!  In the Black community, she's a sellout and a disgrace to
all Black Americans.  To follow Gen. Powell, was like Clarence Thomas
following Thurgood Marshall!  Black in skin ONLY!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 So watch the videotapes of her interviews on CBS!  Dumb as a post!
 3 colleges in 4 years, for a liberal arts degree!  

She has a college degree. A bunch of kids with one husband. And with 
5 kids, she took on the challenge of having her own career and her 
family is going to learn from it.

We all make decisons in life about marriage, family, work and careers.

Shit, I sat in a huge office in AIG in NYC during an interview and 
made a choice family vs working anywhere in the world, probably 24 
hours/day with AIG. I knew the drill. One of the toughest ceo's in 
the world... I walked away. I walked out of an office when the vp 
told me to cancel my planned family vacation and tell my wife that 
he'll buy her a steak...and go another time...I walked out on NY's 
eve to get home...

We all make choices and sacrafices if given the opportunity. 

So you have great kids and apparently she does as well. And yes, even 
if her kid got pregnant. 

Parenting is one thing. Keeping your fingers crossed and hoping your 
kid does the right thing and survive stupid things is another.







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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think it is time for all of us to move beyond Palin. She is relevant
and the Republican are now eating their young. We face issues more
pressing than the intelligence of Sarah Palin. Godspeed to her.




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[AsburyPark] and if your in your mid 40's....

[oakdorf]

there's two 40 something's that made a name for themselves.






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[AsburyPark] Asbury Music Awards at Stone Pony

[Jack Pitzer]

Asbury Music Awards at Stone Pony
Asbury recognizes its own in awards show
BY STEPHEN BOVE • STAFF WRITER • NOVEMBER 7, 2008


ASBURY PARK — Sometimes, for a young indie chiseling away at rock immortality, 
just one 
night gone right is all it takes to strike gold.

That's exactly what an up-and-coming crop of hopefuls will vie for Saturday, 
when the 
Asbury Park music scene honors its next-generation superstars at the 16th 
annual Asbury 
Music Awards, live at The Stone Pony.

It's cool, because when people think of Asbury Park, they think of Bruce 
Springsteen. So 
it's really an honor to be a part of that now, said 17-year-old Zach Moyle, 
Lost In Society 
vocalist and guitarist. You meet a lot of cool people who have the same 
interests, just 
playing music and having a good time.

We're just looking at it like, This is awesome, and we're honored to be 
nominated. If we 
win, that's cool. If not, we're still nominated,'  he added. Last year we 
went, and there 
was just so many people there; everyone was having a great time. It was just 
something so 
different, just to go and celebrate local music for once.

In addition to the privilege of being this year's show openers, the Oakhurst 
alt-punks are 
up for top honors in Top Punk/Ska Band and Top Young Band, nominated for the 
latter 
alongside Ministry Of Pain, Mystical Fudge, Bleed The Arsonist, Hollander, 
Catalyst, Lemon 
Juice, Amskray, Irie Sound and Outside the Box (also performing).

(Simply being nominated) is very gratifying, said Jeff Cafone, guitarist and 
vocalist for 
Outside the Box. We're fortunate to be part of a musical community that's made 
up of our 
friends and mentors, and the AMAs are the pinnacle representation of such a 
close-knit 
group.

This year's awards will feature live performances by nominees in such 
categories as Top 
Female Acoustic (Amanda Duncan), Top Male Acoustic (George Wirth), Top Male 
Vocalist 
(Anthony Fiumano  The Medicine Chest), Top Female Vocalist (Eryn Shewell 
Band), Top 
Live Performance (Chris Batten and the Woods), Top Indie Rock Band (Delft), Top 
Punk 
Band (Lost in Society), Top Heavy Rock Band (Last Days of Empire), Top Blues 
Band 
(Outside The Box), Top Jam Band (Green Underground), Top Americana (Arlan 
Feiles  The 
Lone Howdys) and Top Keyboard Player (Jerzy Jung).

My point to this year's awards is that there's this whole new wave of talent 
that's been 
bubbling under the surface that are now, finally, being pushed to the 
forefront. There's a 
new generation that's coming forward, said Scott Stamper, co-founder and 
co-producer 
of the annual event, along with partner Adam Weisberg.

(Asbury Park) is a music community. And, as with any community, if you want to 
be a part 
of it, you've got to be involved in it. You have to put your time in, said 
Stamper in an 
interview last year, who's co-owned The Saint with Weisberg since the Main 
Street venue 
opened in 1994. If you want to be noticed, you have to be seen. You have to be 
out there, 
onstage, working, playing shows.

In recognition of those artists who helped establish that community, last year 
the awards 
introduced a Beyond Asbury segment, which honors the artists who, no longer 
AMA 
nominees, have moved beyond the local scene to seek out the limelight of the 
national 
and international circuits. Beginning in 2009, this category will include a 
featured 
performer at the event, Stamper said.

2008 additions to the Beyond Asbury AMA hall of fame include April Smith  The 
Great 
Picture Show, Keith Monacchio, The Gay Blades, Christine Martucci Band, Matt 
O'Ree Band, 
Allie Moss, Woodfish, Frank Bressi  The Chilling Details, Stringbean  The 
Stalkers, 
Random Test, Eric Ginsberg, Boccigalupe  The Badboys, Hub City Stompers, Jon 
Caspi, 
Sonny Kenn Band, Terraplane Blues Band, Bob Burger, and Goldenseal.

Other awards to be presented at the ceremony include Song of the Year, Top 
Local Release 
and Best Thing To Happen in 2007-2008.

As Asbury Park is coming back and more businesses are coming to town, I think 
our 
music scene is going to be even more of a reflection of that, Stamper said. 
This year, the 
music has really come alive and intertwined with the commerce of the town. I 
see the 
boardwalk becoming more of a scene; there's been talk of festivals. And I think 
all this is 
what will drive the Asbury Music Awards into another echelon — and into the 
future.

For a complete schedule, list of nominees and picks, visit 
www.blogs.app.com/rhythmroom. Check The Rythym Room Sunday for a list of 
winners.




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[AsburyPark] Let the Censorship Begin

[justifiedright]

I think we've touched on this here on the board.  Relevant to AP (and 
Freehold) for sure.

It's about...well I'm not sure I'm allowed to say what it's about.

Make sure you click the link at the end to see all the words that you 
are not allowed to say anymore...by Court Order!!!



Arizona's Supreme Court Justice has agreed to enforce the Hispanic 
Bar Association's demands of banning the terms illegal and aliens 
in all of the state's courtrooms.

Claiming that the terms are inflammatory, the president of Arizona's 
Hispanic Bar Association, (known as Los Abogados) has asked state 
Supreme Court Chief Justice Ruth McGregor to stop using them at 
trials or hearings because they create perceptions of judicial bias.

In a strongly worded letter to the chief justice, Los Abogados' 
president says attaching an illegal status to a person establishes a 
brand of contemptibility, creates the appearance of anti-immigrant 
prejudice and tarnishes the image of courts as a place where disputes 
may be fairly resolved.

It further points out that no human being is illegal and that a 
national Hispanic journalism association has roundly criticized the 
reference for dehumanizing a segment of the population. The letter 
goes on to criticize the state's High Court for using the 
term illegals in at least two opinions and the term illegal 
aliens in dozens of others.

It concludes with a list of acceptable and unacceptable terms 
relating to illegal immigration. Among those the group wants banned 
are; immigration crisis, immigration epidemic, open borders 
advocates, anchor babies and invaders. Among the acceptable terms are 
foreign nationals, unauthorized workers and human rights advocates.
Here's the banned words list via Judicial Watch:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/2008/KFYI.McGregorLetter.pdf









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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to  
discern without the need to invoke an obscure international  
organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the  
time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had  
visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one  
(i.e., one left to go, excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his  
weariness he slipped up and started off with fifty instead of  
forty. (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words  
fifty and seven.)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

On Nov 7, 2008, at 8:45 AM, sharon_b283 wrote:

 So watch the videotapes of her interviews on CBS! Dumb as a post!
 3 colleges in 4 years, for a liberal arts degree! I never ran for
 office, because I put my kids and their education, first! I am
 traditional in that regard. So smarty-pants, YOU run and kick Corzine
 out!

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see how
  far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like names,
  however, it's a lot classier to admit what they have accomplished
  and just move on.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
  wrote:
  
   John,
   That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the plumber,
  her
   inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not
  knowing 3
   Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens
  like
   me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor? Makes
  you
   wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
  
   Empty suit and empty head!
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help. She's
  an
empty suit dress.
   
On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
   
 I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama was a
 positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows how
  that
 translates to policy).

 Hope was carrying the day.

 I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was the
  wrong
 way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for McCain
  over
 the years.

 I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
 consulting.

 McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit of
  policy
 sprinkled in.

 Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did the
  same
 thing Bin Laden did.



 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[justifiedright]

John I think the point is that of course, everyone knows Obama knows 
there are 50 states and not 60.  Certainly he made a tired slip of 
the tongue.  

Follow anyone with a Camera for 2 years and you'll catch them in a 
slip of the tongue.

The problem is sometimes the media targets someone as stupid, and 
will take any slip of the tongue as proof of stupidity.

For some reason, they were looking for any slip by Palin as proof of 
stupidity.

They did the same to Dan Quale.  There are a great deal of stupid 
quotes on the net attributed to him he never said.

Go check out the video of the Potato incident.  The teacher handed 
Quayle the spelling words on index cards.  You see them right in his 
hands.  On the index card, potato was spelled with an e.

Honestly, if I'm sitting there with a misspelled index card handed to 
me by the teacher, I'm going to go by what was on the card.

I think almost anyone would.

The media can ruin anyone once they decide to tell a story and stay 
with it.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to  
 discern without the need to invoke an obscure international  
 organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the  
 time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had  
 visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for 
one  
 (i.e., one left to go, excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his  
 weariness he slipped up and started off with fifty instead of  
 forty. (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words  
 fifty and seven.)
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
 
 On Nov 7, 2008, at 8:45 AM, sharon_b283 wrote:
 
  So watch the videotapes of her interviews on CBS! Dumb as a post!
  3 colleges in 4 years, for a liberal arts degree! I never ran for
  office, because I put my kids and their education, first! I am
  traditional in that regard. So smarty-pants, YOU run and kick 
Corzine
  out!
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07712@ wrote:
  
   If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see 
how
   far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like 
names,
   however, it's a lot classier to admit what they have 
accomplished
   and just move on.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
   wrote:
   
John,
That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the 
plumber,
   her
inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not
   knowing 3
Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary 
citizens
   like
me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor? 
Makes
   you
wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
   
Empty suit and empty head!
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:

 I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help. 
She's
   an
 empty suit dress.

 On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:

  I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama 
was a
  positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows 
how
   that
  translates to policy).
 
  Hope was carrying the day.
 
  I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was 
the
   wrong
  way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for 
McCain
   over
  the years.
 
  I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
  consulting.
 
  McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit 
of
   policy
  sprinkled in.
 
  Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did 
the
   same
  thing Bin Laden did.
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

Probably the biggest chord she struck was her promise to advocate  
for kids with disabilities.

Another lie:

Sarah Palin Slashed Special Needs Education by 62%
For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it might  
be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of  
Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska. These  
funds provide supplementary educational services to students with  
severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.  
The resident school where the child would normally be placed does not  
have the resources to provide an adequate educational program.  
Without the supplementary services the child’s needs would not be met  
by the local school district in most cases. 

The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300.

The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of  
5,109,300 , or 62%.


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[AsburyPark] How about we let this group focus on AP...

[Jack Pitzer]

...And move all of our political talk to the political forum?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[justifiedright]

Nice job quoting Daily Kos.

The reduction was done by the man she defeated, Murkowski.

Here's the real story, staight from Alaska:


Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul 
of Alaska's school funding system that supporters predict will 
provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving 
students with disabilities.

The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the 
legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task 
force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to 
districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska's largest city, over the next 
five years.

Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for 
more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation, 
and other costs associated with providing education in communities 
scattered across the vast state.

A second part of the measure raises spending for students with 
special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per 
student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of 
Education and Early Development (emphasis added).





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Probably the biggest chord she struck was her promise to advocate  
 for kids with disabilities.
 
 Another lie:
 
 Sarah Palin Slashed Special Needs Education by 62%
 For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it 
might  
 be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of  
 Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska. These  
 funds provide supplementary educational services to students with  
 severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth 
Academy.  
 The resident school where the child would normally be placed does 
not  
 have the resources to provide an adequate educational program.  
 Without the supplementary services the child's needs would not be 
met  
 by the local school district in most cases. 
 
 The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was 
$8,265,300.
 
 The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.
 
 The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.
 
 This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of  
 5,109,300 , or 62%.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

...but I understand she has been invited to every talk show in  
America right now (most are probably looking to make themselves feel  
better after the way she's been treated).

No. It's like having William Hung on your show. She's a freak act  
from the side show tent now. Plus, when it mattered:

For the first time ever, we have a vice presidential candidate who  
has been shielded from the press to the extent that she has not held  
a single, full-length press conference at which reporters are  
permitted wide-ranging leeway to ask questions on policy issues,  
campaign developments, personal and professional qualifications of  
the candidate, etc. The closest we probably will come is this set of  
fluff questions and answers from a brief question and answer period  
aboard Palin's campaign plane. I guarantee that the reporters were  
told that they risked being shut off completely once again if they  
strayed from the approved list of topics or attempted to press her on  
any of her responses.

http://alaskapoliticsblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/day-53-of-no-palin- 
press-conferences.html

Why does Palin hate the First Amendment?





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[AsburyPark] Re: How about we let this group focus on AP...

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why Jack... so you can have the power to ban those you disagree with?
 
 Nope.  I won't be censored.
 

You closet liberal you!





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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Why would you disagree?

Allow government to outlaw words?  

Allow judges the power of prior judicial restraint of speech which has 
been disallowed since the passing of the bill of rights?

Gee, I don't.  What could possibly go wrong?





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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[fancypaaantz]

It only discusses what cannot be said in the courtroom not generally, 
how to refer to persons in the courtroom. 

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  
  Why would you disagree?
 
 Allow government to outlaw words?  
 
 Allow judges the power of prior judicial restraint of speech which 
has 
 been disallowed since the passing of the bill of rights?
 
 Gee, I don't.  What could possibly go wrong?






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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 It only discusses what cannot be said in the courtroom not 
generally, 
 how to refer to persons in the courtroom. 


A courtroom is a place for advocacy to lead finders of fact to the 
truth.

The worst place in the world we can censor language is in a courtroom.

Only?  It only censors in a courtroom?  

I can think of no more dangerous place for censorship than a court room.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

Palin's ignorance of NAFTA and Africa were not, however slips of the  
tongue

On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:18 AM, justifiedright wrote:

 John I think the point is that of course, everyone knows Obama knows
 there are 50 states and not 60. Certainly he made a tired slip of
 the tongue.

 Follow anyone with a Camera for 2 years and you'll catch them in a
 slip of the tongue.

 The problem is sometimes the media targets someone as stupid, and
 will take any slip of the tongue as proof of stupidity.

 For some reason, they were looking for any slip by Palin as proof of
 stupidity.

 They did the same to Dan Quale. There are a great deal of stupid
 quotes on the net attributed to him he never said.

 Go check out the video of the Potato incident. The teacher handed
 Quayle the spelling words on index cards. You see them right in his
 hands. On the index card, potato was spelled with an e.

 Honestly, if I'm sitting there with a misspelled index card handed to
 me by the teacher, I'm going to go by what was on the card.

 I think almost anyone would.

 The media can ruin anyone once they decide to tell a story and stay
 with it.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  The actual intent behind Senator Obama's misstatement is easy to
  discern without the need to invoke an obscure international
  organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the
  time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had
  visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for
 one
  (i.e., one left to go, excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his
  weariness he slipped up and started off with fifty instead of
  forty. (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words
  fifty and seven.)
 
  http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
 
  On Nov 7, 2008, at 8:45 AM, sharon_b283 wrote:
 
   So watch the videotapes of her interviews on CBS! Dumb as a post!
   3 colleges in 4 years, for a liberal arts degree! I never ran for
   office, because I put my kids and their education, first! I am
   traditional in that regard. So smarty-pants, YOU run and kick
 Corzine
   out!
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07712@ wrote:
   
If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see
 how
far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like
 names,
however, it's a lot classier to admit what they have
 accomplished
and just move on.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
wrote:

 John,
 That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the
 plumber,
her
 inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not
knowing 3
 Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary
 citizens
like
 me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor?
 Makes
you
 wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!

 Empty suit and empty head!

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help.
 She's
an
  empty suit dress.
 
  On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
   I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama
 was a
   positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows
 how
that
   translates to policy).
  
   Hope was carrying the day.
  
   I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was
 the
wrong
   way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for
 McCain
over
   the years.
  
   I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
   consulting.
  
   McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit
 of
policy
   sprinkled in.
  
   Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did
 the
same
   thing Bin Laden did.
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 


 



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

Oh. You quote FOX CONSTANTLY (almost exclusively, now that you're a  
content provider- how unbiased!) and have the NERVE to deride  
someone's news source?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:28 AM, justifiedright wrote:

 Nice job quoting Daily Kos.

 The reduction was done by the man she defeated, Murkowski.

 Here's the real story, staight from Alaska:

 Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul
 of Alaska's school funding system that supporters predict will
 provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving
 students with disabilities.

 The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the
 legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task
 force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to
 districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska's largest city, over the next
 five years.

 Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for
 more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation,
 and other costs associated with providing education in communities
 scattered across the vast state.

 A second part of the measure raises spending for students with
 special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per
 student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of
 Education and Early Development (emphasis added).

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Probably the biggest chord she struck was her promise to advocate
  for kids with disabilities.
 
  Another lie:
 
  Sarah Palin Slashed Special Needs Education by 62%
  For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it
 might
  be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of
  Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska. These
  funds provide supplementary educational services to students with
  severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth
 Academy.
  The resident school where the child would normally be placed does
 not
  have the resources to provide an adequate educational program.
  Without the supplementary services the child's needs would not be
 met
  by the local school district in most cases. 
 
  The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was
 $8,265,300.
 
  The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.
 
  The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.
 
  This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of
  5,109,300 , or 62%.
 


 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[sharon_b283]

So watch the videotapes of her interviews on CBS!  Dumb as a post!
3 colleges in 4 years, for a liberal arts degree!  I never ran for
office, because I put my kids and their education, first!  I am
traditional in that regard.  So smarty-pants, YOU run and kick Corzine
out!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see how 
 far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like names, 
 however, it's a lot classier to admit what  they have accomplished 
 and just move on.  
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ 
 wrote:
 
  John,
  That, in essence, is what I was saying!  Between Joe the plumber, 
 her
  inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not 
 knowing 3
  Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens 
 like
  me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor?  Makes 
 you
  wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
  
  Empty suit and empty head!
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help. She's 
 an  
   empty suit dress.
   
   On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
   
I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama was a
positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows how 
 that
translates to policy).
   
Hope was carrying the day.
   
I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was the 
 wrong
way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for McCain 
 over
the years.
   
I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
consulting.
   
McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit of 
 policy
sprinkled in.
   
Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did the 
 same
thing Bin Laden did.
   





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[AsburyPark] Heads Up AP Manager and Council -- $$$ may be in the offing

[MarioAPNJ]

Asbury Park powers-that-be:
 
With today's extremely dismal financial news (e.g., 1/4 million job losses,  
auto industry to end payments to 401K's, et al.), it looks more and more like  
the lame duck session of congress will allot some bailout monies to states 
and  municipalities with projects ready-to-go and limited only by  finances.
 
Keep refreshing this news search:http://tinyurl.com/5bplw5
 
Two examples:
 
Bloomberg:  ``The jobs message carried a lot of weight with voters,''  said 
Jim Earp of the California Alliance for Jobs, a lobbyist for the  construction 
industry that helped finance the bond campaign. ``Voters understood  that even 
in these tough economic times there are some investments worth  making.'' 
 
And Architectural Record: On the federal level, industry officials are  
heartened by Obama’s support for infrastructure and, despite the deficit, 
expect  
him to back a new economic-stimulus bill that they hope will include money for 
 public works. “I think in the short-term they are going to overlook the 
deficit  problems and address some type of investment to get the economy 
generated 
 again,” says Stephen E. Sandherr, CEO of the Associated General Contractors. 
 “There are projects out there that are ready to go. They will have an 
immediate  impact on the economy”. Some want to see Congress move on a stimulus 
measure in  a lame-duck session, but Sandherr believes it will be held over 
until 
next  year.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Thanksgiving Dinner -- Volunteers Needed!

[Michael W. Brim]

Please join Pat Sherman, Marilyn Schlossbach and friends in serving
Thanksgivings dinner to those in need this holiday.  They need volunteers to
set-up, serve and clean-up.

 

Set-up starts at 10:00AM with clean-up beginning at 4:00PM.

 

They also need volunteers to make turkeys, hams and desserts.  

 

They are also seeking donations of hats, gloves, scarves and toiletries, in
addition to canned and boxed foods.  Monetary donations are grateful
accepted.  

 

When: Thursday, November 27th

 

Where: Langosta Lounge, 3rd Ave. Pavilion on the Boardwalk in Asbury Park
(Across from The Stone Pony).

 

Time: Noon - 4:00PM

 

RSVP to Pat Sherman

Phone: 732-988-6593

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

Posted at Marilyn's request!

 

Michael

 

Michael W.  Brim

321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F

Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550

Cell: 732-996-8160

 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[fancypaaantz]

I am not sure why I even bother, bc I know you will just keep arguing 
for argument's sake. But, I do not see a court order, I see a letter 
stating that he will inform staff to refrain from using certain terms 
deemed offensive. As I am sure you would agree that it would be not 
appropriate for judges to call a defendant or litigant any number of 
non-politically correct term, this is just oine more.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ 
 wrote:
 
  It only discusses what cannot be said in the courtroom not 
 generally, 
  how to refer to persons in the courtroom. 
 
 
 A courtroom is a place for advocacy to lead finders of fact to the 
 truth.
 
 The worst place in the world we can censor language is in a 
courtroom.
 
 Only?  It only censors in a courtroom?  
 
 I can think of no more dangerous place for censorship than a court 
room.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[Gabrielle Obre]

Allowing the government to outlaw words is pretty insane. It will
never change how people feel about immigrants. Just a noose for
everyone to hang themselves on because we are more afraid of hurt
feelings than loss of freedom.

BUT...I agree that there is no such thing as an illegal person and
people coming to this country in hope of something better are looked
down upon. and therefore a term that simply describes someone's
citizen status has been turned into a slur by hateful, fearful
egocentric and ethnocentric people. that's what needs to change. 


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  
  Why would you disagree?
 
 Allow government to outlaw words?  
 
 Allow judges the power of prior judicial restraint of speech which has 
 been disallowed since the passing of the bill of rights?
 
 Gee, I don't.  What could possibly go wrong?






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[Jersey Shore John]

Or alien, for that matter...

On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Gabrielle Obre wrote:

 Allowing the government to outlaw words is pretty insane. It will
 never change how people feel about immigrants. Just a noose for
 everyone to hang themselves on because we are more afraid of hurt
 feelings than loss of freedom.

 BUT...I agree that there is no such thing as an illegal person and
 people coming to this country in hope of something better are looked
 down upon. and therefore a term that simply describes someone's
 citizen status has been turned into a slur by hateful, fearful
 egocentric and ethnocentric people. that's what needs to change.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
 
   Why would you disagree?
 
  Allow government to outlaw words?
 
  Allow judges the power of prior judicial restraint of speech  
 which has
  been disallowed since the passing of the bill of rights?
 
  Gee, I don't. What could possibly go wrong?
 


 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Palin's ignorance of NAFTA and Africa were not, however slips of 
the  
 tongue

If you believe that to be true, then yes.  There is no source that we 
can identify that says it is true.

Since you brought it up, Obama twice asked the UN Security Council to 
sanction Russia.

Since he did it twice, that too is not a slip of the tongue.

It does mean that he knows not even the most basic tenant of UN policy.




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

No source except all the guys from the McCain camp who, i guess, you  
don't believe anymore...

On Nov 7, 2008, at 1:00 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Palin's ignorance of NAFTA and Africa were not, however slips of
 the
  tongue

 If you believe that to be true, then yes. There is no source that we
 can identify that says it is true.

 Since you brought it up, Obama twice asked the UN Security Council to
 sanction Russia.

 Since he did it twice, that too is not a slip of the tongue.

 It does mean that he knows not even the most basic tenant of UN  
 policy.


 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No source except all the guys from the McCain camp who, i guess, 
you  
 don't believe anymore...

Actually the only source is Carl Cameron of Fox News, who I guess you 
believe now.

Welcome to the team, John!




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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am not sure why I even bother, bc I know you will just keep 
arguing 
 for argument's sake. 

Personalizing.


But, I do not see a court order, I see a letter 
 stating that he will inform staff to refrain from using certain 
terms 
 deemed offensive. 

The Chief Justice distrubuted the requst to the rest of the bench 
and sent the request to the commission on minorites.  I doubt highly 
the terms will be allowed.

As I am sure you would agree that it would be not 
 appropriate for judges to call a defendant or litigant any number 
of 
 non-politically correct term, this is just oine more.

This? Did you see how many there are?

Take reconquistadore for instance.  What if someone is here, and 
member of La Raza, and part of the reconquista movement.  That's a 
threat to national security.  No one should be allowed to point that 
out?

How about open borders advocate.   What - there aren't any?  We 
should outlaw the words as racist because no one is advocating for 
open borders?


HOw about proponents for amnesty.  There are none?  It is racist 
to call someone that if they insist upon no sanction of illegally 
crossing the border?

Why are liberals the first to complain of fascism and censorship and 
the first to use it?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[justifiedright]

Jack the status of latin immigrants has no relation to Asbury Park?  
Really?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh, come on guys. We have a political forum for this. The election 
is over.
 Remember this;
 
 A forum for people who are interested in Asbury Park, N.J., the 
once great seaside resort 
 town which slowly but surely is again becoming a center of 
attention. Topics include city 
 happenings, ideas, news, stories and memories.
 
 Please, let's move political discussions to the place where they 
are supposed to be, and let 
 this forum get back to being about AP.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   Palin's ignorance of NAFTA and Africa were not, however slips 
of 
  the  
   tongue
  
  If you believe that to be true, then yes.  There is no source 
that we 
  can identify that says it is true.
  
  Since you brought it up, Obama twice asked the UN Security 
Council to 
  sanction Russia.
  
  Since he did it twice, that too is not a slip of the tongue.
  
  It does mean that he knows not even the most basic tenant of UN 
policy.
 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[dfsavgny]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack the status of latin immigrants has no relation to Asbury Park?  
 Really?
 

Okay, let's start bitching about all the things that are wrong with AP
that some have been bitching about for years. Will that make everyone
happy?






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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jack Pitzer]

Of course it does, but the dialog going on doesn't relate to how this plays out 
in Asbury 
Park. On the surface, it just looks like another political discussion.
We all let this group drift away from matters directly concerning AP, myself 
included.
For the sake of new people that might discover this group, or find it via 
interest in AP, 
why not let move the political talk to the AP Political group, and let AP 
specific discussion 
be the main theme here again?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack the status of latin immigrants has no relation to Asbury Park?  
 Really?
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Oh, come on guys. We have a political forum for this. The election 
 is over.
  Remember this;
  
  A forum for people who are interested in Asbury Park, N.J., the 
 once great seaside resort 
  town which slowly but surely is again becoming a center of 
 attention. Topics include city 
  happenings, ideas, news, stories and memories.
  
  Please, let's move political discussions to the place where they 
 are supposed to be, and let 
  this forum get back to being about AP.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
Palin's ignorance of NAFTA and Africa were not, however slips 
 of 
   the  
tongue
   
   If you believe that to be true, then yes.  There is no source 
 that we 
   can identify that says it is true.
   
   Since you brought it up, Obama twice asked the UN Security 
 Council to 
   sanction Russia.
   
   Since he did it twice, that too is not a slip of the tongue.
   
   It does mean that he knows not even the most basic tenant of UN 
 policy.
  
 







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[AsburyPark] Re: How about we let this group focus on AP...

[Jack Pitzer]

Tommy - I absolutely didn't ban somebody because I disagreed with them, not at 
all.
The person in question made very racist statements, and threatened Sharon, so I 
temporarily 
banned him. He's been reinstated.
I can assure you, the only rule at the political group is no racism. I won't 
tolerate it.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why Jack... so you can have the power to ban those you disagree with?
 
 Nope.  I won't be censored.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  ...And move all of our political talk to the political forum?
 







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[AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[fancypaaantz]

Please stop with the personalizing nonsense. I did not express an 
opinion positive or negative about what the court did, I was just 
pointing out that you mischaracterized the article, I assume, to start 
another inflamatory discussion thread. I have honestly had enough of 
this board and these discussions. Have fun!




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[AsburyPark] The Women Who Post Here

[MarioAPNJ]

In a message dated 11/7/2008 11:19:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  problem is sometimes the media targets someone as stupid, and 
will take  any slip of the tongue as proof of stupidity.
For some reason, they were  looking for any slip by Palin as proof of 
stupidity.
 
==
 
The choice of that one invited what occurred in the tabloid media circus,  
pandering for ratings.
 
The women who post here are among millions of women who are armed with  
knowledge; passion combined with authenticity; an ability to communicate  
without 
winging-it; and whose substance would have shielded  them from such silliness: 
Jennifernjca, Gabrielle, Denise,   Fancypntz, Sharon (Amazing Grace), 
Linda Griggs, Debbie, and others.   Content (knowledge) vs. Form (wardrobe)
 
from  http://tinyurl.com/6aoxpt
 
So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen Palin  out 
of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference between  
form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing ideologuesIf 
 
that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows what a vice 
 president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas Sen. Kay  
Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine.
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Rock Musician]

To be a Governer in Alaska is the highest level in the nation. The Governer of 
Alaska is not just a governer. The are givin one of the Highist security 
clearences in the USA. They have information givin to them every 3 hours on 
National security. Alaska is the last state on the nuclear strike list for 
America. They have to be able to respond incase of a nuclear strike. There is 
no other Governer in the United States of America that is givin this clearence. 
The governers of 3 major cities in the country are givin basic clearence which 
means nothing and the rest of them are not givin anything in security 
clearence. To get the clearence she has you have to be trained and your 
background check has to be clean. Unlike some other shit voted in.
She is excellent at what she does. She would have done what had to be done with 
securing our borders.    I cant say much for the new group thats in now. I dont 
think they are interested in security. But I am hoping that I am wrong.



sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:07:41 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?


John,
That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the plumber, her
inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not knowing 3
Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens like
me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor? Makes you
wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!

Empty suit and empty head!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ ... wrote:

 I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help. She's an 
 empty suit dress.
 
 On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama was a
  positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows how that
  translates to policy).
 
  Hope was carrying the day.
 
  I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was the wrong
  way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for McCain over
  the years.
 
  I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
  consulting.
 
  McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit of policy
  sprinkled in.
 
  Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did the same
  thing Bin Laden did.
 
  You just couldn't win with that as priority one at this moment in
  time. Were it November 4, 2002, 2003 or 2004 perhaps. Once the
  Market crashed on September 15 McCain needed to talk about nothing
  but money.
 
  Whomever is punching Palin in the nose today from the McCain camp
  should never be hired again.
 
  Even if anything they said was true, you take that sort of thing to
  the grave. You never turn on the guy you were working for.
 
  I don't think anything they are saying about Palin is true anyway.
  It was clear in every speech she was on the message they put her on.
 
  I saw her go rouge once when she disagreed about the Michigan
  pullout.
 
  She was right.
 
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
   
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ 
wrote:

 We don't loathe them! They're both Dumb and Dumber! She IS
a pig
 wearing lipstick and he's just a PIG!

   
   
Palin is a woman.
   
Somehow, she made it to the top. Somehow, she can't be a total
  idiot.
  
   I don't think she is an idiot at all. I think she is cunning and a
   tough politician. I disagree with her politics and personal
  choices of
   how she campaigns. She is certainly getting the short end of the
  stick
   from the McCain campaign. He chose her but they are now blaming her
   for their loss. It was McCain's campaign to lose and he did.
  
   But my problem with her and McCain is the negative tone of their
   campaign. Each of us makes a personal choice. Theirs was to listen
  to
   the Rove and Bush people that parchuted into their campaign. They
  are
   out again and don't give two hoots about Palin or McCain. even
  hear
   that it was Palin's own idea to go after the AYers thing. Shame on
   them all.
  
 
 
  
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Women Who Post Here

[justifiedright]

Mario did the LA Times write that while hiding the tape?

Of course Palin was a nod to conservatives.  He certainly didn't 
have them.

If he had asked Olympia Snowe he wouldn't have even come in second 
in the race.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 11/7/2008 11:19:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 The  problem is sometimes the media targets someone as stupid, and 
 will take  any slip of the tongue as proof of stupidity.
 For some reason, they were  looking for any slip by Palin as proof 
of 
 stupidity.
  
 ==
  
 The choice of that one invited what occurred in the tabloid 
media circus,  
 pandering for ratings.
  
 The women who post here are among millions of women who are armed 
with  
 knowledge; passion combined with authenticity; an ability to 
communicate  without 
 winging-it; and whose substance would have shielded  them from 
such silliness: 
 Jennifernjca, Gabrielle, Denise,   Fancypntz, Sharon (Amazing 
Grace), 
 Linda Griggs, Debbie, and others.   Content (knowledge) vs. Form 
(wardrobe)
  
 from  http://tinyurl.com/6aoxpt
  
 So let's be clear: The culprit is John McCain. He may have chosen 
Palin  out 
 of change-envy, or a belief that women can't tell the difference 
between  
 form and content, but the main motive was to please right-wing 
ideologuesIf  
 that were not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows 
what a vice 
  president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas 
Sen. Kay  
 Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine.
  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[mark07712]

Ask Obama how many states are in the USA.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is Africa a country or a continent? Who are the NAFTA 
signatories?  
 Palin doesn't know and doesn't care.
 
 On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:07 PM, sharon_b283 wrote:
 
  John,
  That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the plumber, 
her
  inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not 
knowing 3
  Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens 
like
  me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor? Makes 
you
  wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
 
  Empty suit and empty head!
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   I saw her go rouge, lavender and beige. It didn't help. She's 
an
   empty suit dress.
  
   On Nov 6, 2008, at 2:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
I have to agree Dan. What was attracting people to Obama was 
a
positive message of hope (leave aside that no one knows how 
that
translates to policy).
   
Hope was carrying the day.
   
I thought right away to combat hope with negativity was the 
wrong
way to go. It was also contrary to what has worked for 
McCain over
the years.
   
I'd give anything to switch careers and go in to political
consulting.
   
McCain needed to craft his own hopeful message with a bit 
of  
  policy
sprinkled in.
   
Not that I would have ignored the Ayers issue. Ayers did the 
same
thing Bin Laden did.
   
You just couldn't win with that as priority one at this 
moment in
time. Were it November 4, 2002, 2003 or 2004 perhaps. Once 
the
Market crashed on September 15 McCain needed to talk about 
nothing
but money.
   
Whomever is punching Palin in the nose today from the McCain 
camp
should never be hired again.
   
Even if anything they said was true, you take that sort of  
  thing to
the grave. You never turn on the guy you were working for.
   
I don't think anything they are saying about Palin is true 
anyway.
It was clear in every speech she was on the message they 
put  
  her on.
   
I saw her go rouge once when she disagreed about the Michigan
pullout.
   
She was right.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283  
  sharon_b283@
  wrote:
  
   We don't loathe them! They're both Dumb and Dumber! 
She IS
  a pig
   wearing lipstick and he's just a PIG!
  
 
 
  Palin is a woman.
 
  Somehow, she made it to the top. Somehow, she can't be a 
total
idiot.

 I don't think she is an idiot at all. I think she is 
cunning  
  and a
 tough politician. I disagree with her politics and personal
choices of
 how she campaigns. She is certainly getting the short end 
of the
stick
 from the McCain campaign. He chose her but they are now  
  blaming her
 for their loss. It was McCain's campaign to lose and he 
did.

 But my problem with her and McCain is the negative tone of 
their
 campaign. Each of us makes a personal choice. Theirs was 
to  
  listen
to
 the Rove and Bush people that parchuted into their 
campaign.  
  They
are
 out again and don't give two hoots about Palin or McCain. 
even
hear
 that it was Palin's own idea to go after the AYers thing.  
  Shame on
 them all.

   
   
   
  
  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Women Who Post Here

[MarioAPNJ]

Don' tike LA Times?
 
Try these  http://tinyurl.com/5fwh3r
 
or the 213,000 herehttp://tinyurl.com/5b4vc4 
 
 
 
 
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Mario  did the LA Times write that while hiding the  tape?

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Women Who Post Here

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If he  had asked Olympia Snowe he wouldn't have even come in second 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

That's not the source. He just reported it, but I wouldn't expect you  
to know the difference.
I am so not on your team.
(Why do Right Wingers online constantly try to claim people are  
agreeing with them, when no one is?)

On Nov 7, 2008, at 1:18 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  No source except all the guys from the McCain camp who, i guess,
 you
  don't believe anymore...

 Actually the only source is Carl Cameron of Fox News, who I guess you
 believe now.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Let the Censorship Begin

[Jersey Shore John]

Tommy should just get up on a cross and get it over with.

On Nov 7, 2008, at 1:27 PM, fancypaaantz wrote:

 Please stop with the personalizing nonsense. I did not express an
 opinion positive or negative about what the court did, I was just
 pointing out that you mischaracterized the article, I assume, to start
 another inflamatory discussion thread. I have honestly had enough of
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Women Who Post Here

[Jersey Shore John]

On Nov 7, 2008, at 1:41 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 If he had asked Olympia Snowe he wouldn't have even come in second
 in the race.


Another thing you have no way of knowing or proving.




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[AsburyPark] Obama to help municipalities

[dfsavgny]

What a guy. One of the primary short-term objectives announced in his
press conference is to assist local governments and municipalities 
that are stretched so they do not have to RAISE TAXES. 




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Re: [AsburyPark] The Women Who Post Here

[MarioAPNJ]

One glaring omission below:  Maureen.  Mea maxima culpa!
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2008 1:41:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In a  message dated 11/7/2008 11:19:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  problem is sometimes the  media targets someone as stupid, and 
will take  any slip of the  tongue as proof of stupidity.
For some reason, they were  looking for  any slip by Palin as proof of  
stupidity.

==

The  choice of that one invited what occurred in the tabloid media circus,  
 
pandering for ratings.

The women who post here are among millions  of women who are armed with  
knowledge; passion combined with  authenticity; an ability to communicate  
without 
winging-it; and  whose substance would have shielded  them from such 
silliness:  
Jennifernjca, Gabrielle, Denise,   Fancypntz, Sharon  (Amazing Grace), 
Linda Griggs, Debbie, and others.   Content  (knowledge) vs. Form (wardrobe)

from   http://tinyurl.com/6aoxpt

So let's be clear: The culprit is John  McCain. He may have chosen Palin  
out 
of change-envy, or a belief  that women can't tell the difference between  
form and content, but  the main motive was to please right-wing 
ideologuesIf  
that were  not the case, McCain could have chosen a woman who knows what a 
vice  
president does and who has thought about Iraq; someone like Texas Sen.  Kay  
Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe of  Maine.


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Re: [AsburyPark] Obama to help municipalities

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What a  guy. One of the primary short-term objectives announced in his
press  conference is to assist local governments and municipalities 
that are  stretched so they do not have to RAISE TAXES.
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Anyone know what specific projects here might be eligible?
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Obama to help municipalities

[oakdorf]

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  ===
  
 Anyone know what specific projects here might be eligible?
  


how about cameras. paving streets that need it...and new affordable 
housing and low income housing vs what the HA provides today?

Unless you want the fed to build the esperanza




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Re: [AsburyPark] The Women Who Post Here

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 The problem is sometimes the media targets someone as stupid, and
 will take any slip of the tongue as proof of stupidity.
 For some reason, they were looking for any slip by Palin as proof of
 stupidity.



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Then she obliged them over and over and over. Proving to the US and  
the world: She just wasn't ready, and most likely never will be.

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[AsburyPark] Re: The Women Who Post Here

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One glaring omission below:  Maureen.  Mea maxima culpa!
  

Is it possible some women, despite their knowledge or the world and 
life, also have a problem with a woman in power with some looks??

I've been around the corp world for some time and had the opportunity 
to work with some powerful women. Some attractive for their looks and 
brains, some attractive for their skills and power. 

I love real life examples.

So in an interview with with a women exec (Again at AIG) ...what 
would you do if you were in a meeting and someone told you that your 
idea was just plain f...ing crazy or you were or told you to go f 
yourself?

This interview question was from a woman.

She had me for a second and I simply replied that's not me, but I 
wouldn't be offened by it..as it relates to the business..

I got the job.

Women are very interesting to work for and with at least in business.







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[AsburyPark] How corp america can help america....

[oakdorf]

and every company that outsources

Every CEO or marketing guy should look at what ever they sell (and 
really look) then do the following:

1. Look for their company on the Internet. 
a) Look for their contact number for such things as customer service
b) marketing or sales

2. Look at the instructions that come with wahtever it is they sell 
then:
a)Look for their contact number for such things as customer service

Then they should try calling whatever number they can find and ask:

1. What's this companies corporate number in the US?

I find it amazing that something so simple can be so hard.


Read about all the layoffs?

some companies can bring some jobs back to the US for starters.

AP would make a good place to build a call center to start with. then 
lure some company in with all kinds of goodies. 






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[AsburyPark] Re: Obama to help municipalities

[justifiedright]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What a guy. One of the primary short-term objectives announced in his
 press conference is to assist local governments and municipalities 
 that are stretched so they do not have to RAISE TAXES.



The municipalities won't have to raise taxes.  So where does the money 
to send to them come from?

Obama's magical Hope machine?




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[AsburyPark] Uh Oh! Someone didn't get the Hope memo!

[justifiedright]

BAGHDAD  —  Two Iraqi insurgent groups called on President-elect 
Barack Obama to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and abandon the 
war on terror, an Internet monitoring service reported Friday.

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, self-styled head of the Al Qaeda front group 
the Islamic State of Iraq, said in a speech posted on an extremist 
Web site that it would be better for you and us to withdraw your 
forces and return to your homes, according to the SITE 
Intelligence Group that monitors militant Web sites.

Al-Baghdadi blamed the global financial crisis on the wars launched 
in Muslim countries and said he was issuing the call on behalf 
of my brothers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Chechnya, SITE 
said.

The U.S. military says al-Baghdadi is an actor who provides a voice 
for Al Qaeda in Iraq propaganda.

In a separate statement, the Mujahedeen Army, a Sunni insurgent 
group, urged Obama to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq or face days 
that will be more difficult than the nightmare experienced by his 
predecessor.

According to SITE, the statement said both Democrats and Republicans 
share attitudes hostile to Muslims and both support Israel, which 
means there will be little change in U.S. policy in the Middle East.

The one who won the presidential election won the approval of the 
Jewish lobby, which controls, to a large extent, the administration 
of American foreign policy, the Mujahedeen Army statement said.

The Islamic State of Iraq purports to be an umbrella organization of 
religious extremist groups including Al Qaeda in Iraq.

The Mujahedeen Army emerged in late 2004 and has distanced itself 
from al-Qaida because of opposition to the terror movement's attacks 
on Shiite civilians.






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[AsburyPark] Uh Oh! Someone didn't get the Bush Monumental Global Disaster memo!

[Jersey Shore John]

You.

Get ready as they UNcook the books and we see REALLY how bad the  
economy is.

Great job, George! Really. Heckuva job!


On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:31 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 BAGHDAD — Two Iraqi insurgent groups called on President-elect
 Barack Obama to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan and abandon the
 war on terror, an Internet monitoring service reported Friday.

 Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, self-styled head of the Al Qaeda front group
 the Islamic State of Iraq, said in a speech posted on an extremist
 Web site that it would be better for you and us to withdraw your
 forces and return to your homes, according to the SITE
 Intelligence Group that monitors militant Web sites.

 Al-Baghdadi blamed the global financial crisis on the wars launched
 in Muslim countries and said he was issuing the call on behalf
 of my brothers in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Chechnya, SITE
 said.

 The U.S. military says al-Baghdadi is an actor who provides a voice
 for Al Qaeda in Iraq propaganda.

 In a separate statement, the Mujahedeen Army, a Sunni insurgent
 group, urged Obama to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq or face days
 that will be more difficult than the nightmare experienced by his
 predecessor.

 According to SITE, the statement said both Democrats and Republicans
 share attitudes hostile to Muslims and both support Israel, which
 means there will be little change in U.S. policy in the Middle East.

 The one who won the presidential election won the approval of the
 Jewish lobby, which controls, to a large extent, the administration
 of American foreign policy, the Mujahedeen Army statement said.

 The Islamic State of Iraq purports to be an umbrella organization of
 religious extremist groups including Al Qaeda in Iraq.

 The Mujahedeen Army emerged in late 2004 and has distanced itself
 from al-Qaida because of opposition to the terror movement's attacks
 on Shiite civilians.


 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[sharon_b283]

Joe The Plumber, was a Welfare Queen!  Colmes of Faux News questioned
him and he said yes, I used the system, but didn't abuse it!  

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Fu5hwy3JyIM

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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see how 
 far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like names, 
 however, it's a lot classier to admit what  they have accomplished 
 and just move on.  
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ 
 wrote:
 
  John,
  That, in essence, is what I was saying!  Between Joe the plumber, 
 her
  inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not 
 knowing 3
  Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens 
 like
  me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor?  Makes 
 you
  wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
  
  Empty suit and empty head!
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  





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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[sharon_b283]

Really?  A college degree evidently did not make her smart or
informed.  Why does she have her husband, an unpaid, unelected
relative, doing her dirty work?  Apparently, she is illegally
allowing her husband to sit in while her cabinet is present.  It
must be some kind of intimidating and unprofessional to have your
spouse overseeing, that NO ONE gets out of line!

I had 5 kids and one husband, too!  I also had day care for the baby
and after school care for one other child.  Expensive?  You bet, but I
had a position that payed well and I could afford it, just like HER!

I had a job that involved using my brain and intelligence to solve
technical problems.  I did system testing of many telephone systems
that all of you enjoy now, but back then, systems such as caller ID,
was not available to the public, as what is now the World Wide Web,
(USENET).  I've been online since 1982 and a UNIX user since 1977, so
with my superior intellect and problem solving skills, I did 20 years
with ATT Bell Labs, a professional think tank!  On my 15th year, I
became and still is, a Telephone Pioneer and a gold watch with Mercury
on its' face.

Everything I have, I worked for and I'm not ashamed.  My children
think I'm brilliant, as does many of my friends.  I'm a bird watcher
and amateur astronomer.  I have an extensive coin and stamp collection
and I collect white porcelain.  I live a very quiet life, now that the
kids are all gone, but I still love to sit in a stadium and watch a
good football game or track meet.  No, I never entertained running for
office, because my 5 kids and husband, came first!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@ 
 wrote:
 
  So watch the videotapes of her interviews on CBS!  Dumb as a post!
  3 colleges in 4 years, for a liberal arts degree!  
 
 She has a college degree. A bunch of kids with one husband. And with 
 5 kids, she took on the challenge of having her own career and her 
 family is going to learn from it.
 
 We all make decisons in life about marriage, family, work and careers.
 
 Shit, I sat in a huge office in AIG in NYC during an interview and 
 made a choice family vs working anywhere in the world, probably 24 
 hours/day with AIG. I knew the drill. One of the toughest ceo's in 
 the world... I walked away. I walked out of an office when the vp 
 told me to cancel my planned family vacation and tell my wife that 
 he'll buy her a steak...and go another time...I walked out on NY's 
 eve to get home...
 
 We all make choices and sacrafices if given the opportunity. 
 
 So you have great kids and apparently she does as well. And yes, even 
 if her kid got pregnant. 
 
 Parenting is one thing. Keeping your fingers crossed and hoping your 
 kid does the right thing and survive stupid things is another.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

One of the most interesting things about “Joe the Plumber,”  
currently enjoying his 15 minutes of fame, is that he has an unpaid  
judgment against him from “St.  Charles Mercy Hospital” for about $1200.

http://tinyurl.com/6gqpz8

I find it interesting that a pretty healthy guy (he works full time  
as a plumber, even if he’s not licensed) and an ambitious one too (he  
wants to buy a business that makes $250,000, though it’s not clear  
if that’s gross or net) has such a bill. Does he have health  
insurance?  If so, for what does he owe this prodigious amount?  If  
not, what care might he have possibly purchased that cost ONLY $1200?

On Nov 7, 2008, at 7:18 PM, sharon_b283 wrote:

 Joe The Plumber, was a Welfare Queen! Colmes of Faux News questioned
 him and he said yes, I used the system, but didn't abuse it!

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Fu5hwy3JyIM

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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see how
  far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like names,
  however, it's a lot classier to admit what they have accomplished
  and just move on.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
  wrote:
  
   John,
   That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the plumber,
  her
   inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not
  knowing 3
   Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary citizens
  like
   me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor? Makes
  you
   wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
  
   Empty suit and empty head!
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   


 



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[AsburyPark] Re: On the Pulse of Morning

[sharon_b283]

Mario,
I like some of her poetry.  She was interviewed this morning on MSNBC
and the caption under her name had her as an activist, which she
isn't nor has she ever been.  She is a poet and since she appeared on
Oprah and honored to have read that beautiful poem, she has become
jaded!  There's a poem that she reads all the time, written by an
anonymous person.  She's read it so many times, her audiences think
she wrote it.  How I wish the person who wrote it would acknowledge
their work.  I see lots of posters attributing parts of the poem to
her and I hate her for taking credit for anothers' work.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some of my favorite lines excerpted from Maya Angelou’s 1993
Inaugural  Poem. 
  It seems more relevant now.
  
 On The Pulse Of Morning
  
 (Complete text herehttp://poetry.eserver.org/angelou.html  or
hear and 
 see here   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtw62Ah2zY
  
 You , created only a little lower than
 The angels, have crouched  too long in
 The bruising darkness….
  
 Across the wall of the world,
 A River sings a beautiful  song.
 It says, come, rest here by my side.
  
 Before cynicism was a bloody sear across your
 Brow and when you  yet knew you still
 Knew nothing.
  
 The River sang and sings on.
  
 Praying for a dream
 Here, root yourselves beside  me.
  
 Lift up your faces, you have a piercing need
 For this bright  morning dawning for you.
 History, despite its wrenching pain,
 Cannot be  unlived, and if faced
 With courage, need not be lived again.
  
 Women, children, men,
 Do not be wedded forever
 To fear, yoked  eternally
 To brutishness.
  
 Here, on the pulse of this fine day
 You may have the  courage
 To look up and out and upon me, the 
 Rock, the River, the Tree,  your country.
  
 Here on the pulse of this new day
 You may have the grace to look  up and out
 And into your sister's eye and into
 Your brother's face, your  country
 And say simply
  
 Very simply
  
 With hope
  
 Good Morning.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Women Who Post Here

[Gabrielle Obre]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  One glaring omission below:  Maureen.  Mea maxima culpa!
   
 
 Is it possible some women, despite their knowledge or the world and 
 life, also have a problem with a woman in power with some looks??

Oh women definitely have a problem with good looking women. And the
flip side of that is that a good looking manipulative bitch can always
use the ugly girl is jealous defense. 

Just remember, just because someone rises to a position of power,
doesn't mean they got there fairly, ethically and by supporting
others. They could easily have been a bully, manipulative, conniving.
Woman are just as vicious as men when their ambition trumps their
humanity. Popping out five kids doesn't make you more humane, just an
average mammal. 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[oakdorf]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 no doubt sharon we all agreed that you and her husband did a
wonderful job.

But somehow, someway, she became gov.






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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Gabrielle Obre]

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 But somehow, someway, she became gov.


Has everyone you know in positions of power gotten ahead because they
were honest, authentic, fair and coalition building?




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[AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[justifiedright]

What amazes me is that you know about his credit report at all.

The man asked a candidate a question.

Don't any every to that again.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One of the most interesting things about Joe the Plumber,  
 currently enjoying his 15 minutes of fame, is that he has an 
unpaid  
 judgment against him from St.  Charles Mercy Hospital for about 
$1200.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6gqpz8
 
 I find it interesting that a pretty healthy guy (he works full 
time  
 as a plumber, even if he's not licensed) and an ambitious one too 
(he  
 wants to buy a business that makes $250,000, though it's not 
clear  
 if that's gross or net) has such a bill. Does he have health  
 insurance?  If so, for what does he owe this prodigious amount?  
If  
 not, what care might he have possibly purchased that cost ONLY 
$1200?
 
 On Nov 7, 2008, at 7:18 PM, sharon_b283 wrote:
 
  Joe The Plumber, was a Welfare Queen! Colmes of Faux News 
questioned
  him and he said yes, I used the system, but didn't abuse it!
 
  http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Fu5hwy3JyIM
 
  Back to top
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  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07712@ wrote:
  
   If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see 
how
   far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like 
names,
   however, it's a lot classier to admit what they have 
accomplished
   and just move on.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
   wrote:
   
John,
That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the 
plumber,
   her
inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not
   knowing 3
Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary 
citizens
   like
me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor? 
Makes
   you
wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!
   
Empty suit and empty head!
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:

 
 
  
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: On the Pulse of Morning

[MarioAPNJ]

In a message dated 11/7/2008 7:55:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There's a poem that  she reads all the time, written by an
anonymous person.  She's read it  so many times, her audiences think
she wrote it.  How I wish the  person who wrote it would acknowledge
their work.  I see lots of  posters attributing parts of the poem to
her and I hate her for taking  credit for anothers' work.
 

 
From  http://www.mayaangelou.com/Contact.html
 
Please be aware that Dr. Maya Angelou has absolutely no affiliation with  
the following poems circulating the internet; Clothes, I Am A  Christian and A 
Woman Should Have . 
 
That disclaimer and the actual author's comments ---  Thanks to  Snopes:   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Madam Marie or Ouija?

[Jersey Shore John]

He didn't just ask a candidate a question. Are you really going to  
pretend to be that naïve to cover for another Right Wing hypocrite?  
Go ahead. Fool yourself, if you must.

He was a plant. A set up. A stooge. A clacker. An operative. Everyone  
knows it now, so you can just stop with the charade. It's looking  
very, very pathetic, desperate and insulting to the other members of  
this board.

On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:20 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 What amazes me is that you know about his credit report at all.

 The man asked a candidate a question.

 Don't any every to that again.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  One of the most interesting things about Joe the Plumber,
  currently enjoying his 15 minutes of fame, is that he has an
 unpaid
  judgment against him from St. Charles Mercy Hospital for about
 $1200.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/6gqpz8
 
  I find it interesting that a pretty healthy guy (he works full
 time
  as a plumber, even if he's not licensed) and an ambitious one too
 (he
  wants to buy a business that makes $250,000, though it's not
 clear
  if that's gross or net) has such a bill. Does he have health
  insurance? If so, for what does he owe this prodigious amount?
 If
  not, what care might he have possibly purchased that cost ONLY
 $1200?
 
  On Nov 7, 2008, at 7:18 PM, sharon_b283 wrote:
 
   Joe The Plumber, was a Welfare Queen! Colmes of Faux News
 questioned
   him and he said yes, I used the system, but didn't abuse it!
  
   http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Fu5hwy3JyIM
  
   Back to top
   Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, mark07712 mark07712@ wrote:
   
If you think you are smarter, than run for governor. Let's see
 how
far you can get. It's very easy to call people you don't like
 names,
however, it's a lot classier to admit what they have
 accomplished
and just move on.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sharon_b283 sharon_b283@
wrote:

 John,
 That, in essence, is what I was saying! Between Joe the
 plumber,
her
 inability to name one newspaper that she possibly reads, not
knowing 3
 Supreme Court decisions and other information ordinary
 citizens
like
 me can just rattle off, has the NERVE to be the Governor?
 Makes
you
 wonder what the criteria for Governor is, up there!

 Empty suit and empty head!

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  
  
  
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Sexy Ideas

[Gabrielle Obre]

I am holding onto my fantasy of having an idea festival in AP. In the
meantime, I wanted to share a good one with you. Dean Ornish is an MD
who has written books on more natural ways to heal. This talk is
wonderful. He discusses among many things, the importance of community. 
Its about 17 minutes long. Its good for you. And he talks about sex.


http://tinyurl.com/5e6mdp




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[AsburyPark] Re: Sexy Ideas

[Gabrielle Obre]

here is another one about the different between liberals and
conservatives.  Please please please watch so we can better understand
one another in our community.

http://tinyurl.com/5mwc73




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