Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I didn't know if you saw this To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com From: dfsav...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:14:01 + Subject: [AsburyPark] Istar IStar seeking credit line to avert bankruptcy Real estate lender is in talks with Franklin Resources, Centerbridge Capital Partners and other lenders about lining up as much as $2 billion in new financing. By Bloomberg News Published: November 11, 2010 - 11:35 am (Bloomberg) -- IStar Financial Inc., the commercial real estate lender seeking to avert a bankruptcy filing next year, is in talks with creditors about exchanging debt and lining up as much as $2 billion in new financing, three people with direct knowledge of the matter said. Franklin Resources Inc., IStarâs largest bondholder, is leading one of the groups offering financing, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. The company is also in talks with Centerbridge Capital Partners as well as other lenders, including its banks, about potential financing, according to the people. IStar, which has funded properties including the Trump SoHo hotel-condominium building in lower Manhattan, may refinance its loans with a new $1 billion to $2 billion credit line as an alternative to seeking bankruptcy protection, the people said. IStar, which is being advised by Lazard, had about $2.8 billion of non-performing loans as of Sept. 30 and reported that its third-quarter net loss narrowed to $75.5 million from $248 million a year earlier. âThe fundamentals of iStarâs business appear to have improved, potentially making third-party or lender financing a more viable solution,â said Michael Kim, an analyst at CRT Capital Group in Stamford, Connecticut. âClearly there is more work to be done given the level of troubled assets in the portfolio, but the strength in the credit markets may allow the company to find a workable refinancing.â Andrew Backman, a spokesman for New York-based iStar, declined to comment. Investors have embraced high-yield, high-risk debt as the Federal Reserve has held interest rates at record lows to stimulate the economy. The extra yield investors demand to own the bonds rather than Treasuries has shrunk to 5.75 percentage points from 21.82 percentage points in December 2008, Bank of America Merrill Lynch index data show. Financing talks with bondholders, banks and other potential investors are preliminary, said the people, and specifics about the size of the package or interest rates havenât been determined. Any final deal is likely at least months away, according to the people. Loomis Sayles Co., another iStar bondholder, and H/2 Capital Partners, the investment firm run by former iStar Executive Spencer Haber, are working with Franklin on the potential debt exchange and financing, according to the people. They are being advised by Milbank, Tweed, Hadley McCloy, the people said. IStar is looking to exchange existing debt for new securities with a longer maturity, the people said. Representatives from Loomis Sayles, H/2, Franklin, Centerbridge and Milbank werenât immediately available to comment. A new facility could allow the company to refinance some of its secured debt, the people said. IStar has about $1.7 billion of loans due in June 2011, according to one of the people. Hedge funds that hold some of iStarâs loans include Silver Point Capital, Davidson Kempner Capital Management and Monarch Alternative Capital, people familiar with the matter said in September. The funds are represented by Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer Feld, according to the people. After creditors blocked it from amending loans, iStar considered a so-called pre-packaged bankruptcy, where key terms are in place before filing, people familiar with the situation said in September. The company needed to negotiate a âmaterial reduction in terms to avert bankruptcy,â Fitch Ratings said on Sept. 29. IStar shares rose 19% on Oct. 28, the most in a more than a year, after the company announced it would pay down a $1 billion credit facility. IStarâs $448.5 million of 5.95% bonds due in October 2013 have risen to 91.5 cents on the dollar through yesterday from 75 cents on Sept. 21, according to Trace, the bond price reporting system of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the waterfront stores/restaurants Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, a lot of people etc And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Pike helenpike2...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I don't think you could assume that 2nd Homes would mean a major decline in winter business. I originally bought my condo for summer use, but find I use it year round and found I love the winter at the beach. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the waterfront stores/restaurants Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, a lot of people etc And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Pike helenpike2...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I'm not assuming a major decline, I'm assuming no growth. Its no secret the business' suffer in the winter months, if they didn't they would be open 7days a week instead of 4days Just because you and I love the beach in the winter, doesn't mean everyone else will I've watched this happen before in North Carolina, and its one of the reasons there are so many rentals in Pier Village (and surrounding buildings) Not to mention I see it every winter with my neighbors on 5th Ave, since I end up shoveling their sidewalks/driveways (you're welcome guys and gals) Now I'm not saying this would happen to EVERY condo purchased, but it would happen, and having an even number of rentals to condos would help combat that Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: maubddny filecabinet...@aol.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:49:03 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I don't think you could assume that 2nd Homes would mean a major decline in winter business. I originally bought my condo for summer use, but find I use it year round and found I love the winter at the beach. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. That would end up hurting our waterfront business' in the winter months. Where as if you have a 60/40 mix of rental/condo, you're practically ensuring year round residency, thus providing ample bodies in and out of the waterfront stores/restaurants Traffic to me isn't a concern, we live in a city, that means, noise, traffic, a lot of people etc And lastly, any condo/apt buildings that are built better come with a large parking garage under it, or we'll have serious parking issues Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Pike helenpike2...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:20:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. I think the word support is key: Can the sewerage plant support the effluent from 3,000 units? Can the streets support the one and/or two-car traffic from those who live in the condos? And, if they are all weekenders, how will that traffic affect the quality of life for those who live in Asbury Park year-round? Would Kingsley evolve into a Cross-Bronx Expressway-like divider, making a new distinction between east and west? Helen Pike From: oakdorf oakd...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 9:29:59 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.  I doubt, and have doubted for years, the ability of AP to support an additional 3,000 condos. Depends. Depends on where you price it, amenities etc. Need a better mix of apartments, condos, hotels etc - and then your mix of retail. A well thought mix from starter units on up and you build a community, a destination a city - or the new lifestyle center. cookman ave is slowly redeveloping itself - slowly but an evolving lifestyle center - without BN, PF Changs, Jonny Rockets and the Gap. Hopefully more office space comes to town, more day traffic - medical, high tech, design etc. Before they finish repaving Lake Ave into a super highway - would of been nice to see all of lake ave redesigned. sure you need parking, but making it narrower or adding a median or rethinking the curb lines with bump outs - or lakeside dining would be real nice touch. As for dan's Asbury Ave problem - Sunset's an exit as is heading north along Ocean Ave into Allenhurst. The Ocean and Allenhurst pd are more then happy to welcome anyone leaving AP. Once springwood ave is cleaned up - that's short way out to 35 - as is 4th ave. Even AP ave is getting somewhat cleaner looking. Still needs a good scrubbing. AP is one of only a few towns in NJ that are continuing to develop - with a way to go. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park historical society pushes to salvage Baronet Theater artifacts
Interesting, thanks for posting. Did anyone go inside during 2006 when it was open? Seems like if extensive renovations were done in 2005-2006, that, in four years, it wouldn't have fallen apart... Cathryn. From the article: During the two decades under then-owners Walter Burns and Maurice Roberson, the theater opened intermittently starting in 1986. Developers Dennis Dubrow and Patrick Fasano bought the theater in December 2005 and reopened it for the summer after extensive renovations in July 2006. The following summer Fasano and Dubrow sold it to the cityâs master redeveloper. The theater never opened again. Years of decay took its toll on the art deco building that stood neglected and underutilized while the city limped along in a stalled oceanfront redevelopment. I liked the Baronet because it was the oldest theater in town, Crawford said. It was just a nice comfortable theater. The Baronet, Stine said, is one of many historically significant buildings the city continues to lose to redevelopment and neglect. This has been an ongoing problem in the city for decades actually â demolition through neglect, Stine said. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: _Asbury Park historical society pushes to salvage Baronet Theater artifacts | NJ.com_ (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/asbury_park_historical_society.html) _http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/asbury_park_historical_society.htm l_ (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/asbury_park_historical_society.html) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I'm not assuming a major decline, I'm assuming no growth. Its no secret the business' suffer in the winter months, if they didn't they would be open 7days a week instead of 4days Winter business is tough for any business in a beach town, even including those towns near AP. Forget about LBI, that just closes after the season. There has been a whole change in retailing over the decades (malls, etc.). Restaurants can do well in AP even in the winter. What AP does have going in its favor is the continuing urbanization. In 1900 only 19% of the world's population lived in cities. By 1950, 29% did. Most demographics think it crossed the 50% mark in 2007. Empty nesters and others are flocking to the cities for the excitement, entertainment, dining, etc. So the way i see it is for AP to market itself to that draw. Keep marketing as a city, urban setting that happens to be by the beach. A unique situation. Add the entertainment and dining (which is already here). Manhattan is too far and too big for some. AP can fill a big void for people within a certain radius. The gay community has done most of the work and that will and should continue to be a draw for gays and straights alike. The key is to continue to make AP a clean and SAFE place. I think MM is nuts for not rebuilding the Casino as a multi-use banquet/wedding/dining/entertainment facility if they can get there hands on the money. I see the entertainment section by the Casino with a hotel being more successful and quicker than they probably do (but is not my money). The amount of people we've had here in one of the worse economic recessions is remarkable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
I live here year round and I have a child who is a toddler. I work in NYC 3 days a week, and at home 2 days. Commuting into the city is horrible and the schools are a huge deterrent. So is the crime -- once you have kids, things change in that regard as well. I would like to move, to be honest, but I am waiting for the market to get a bit better first. There are MANY things I love about AP, but for new families to move in, the negatives still outweigh the positives at this point. I think rentals would be better, to attract the younger 20 somethings first who want to live somehwere cool with an awesome music scene and stuff to do. Then when enough of those 20 somethings stay and have children, the schools will change... Like Hoboken! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@... wrote: Then when enough of those 20 somethings stay and have children, the schools will change... Like Hoboken! That's what happens time and time again. Park Slope, Hoboken, parts of Philly, soon Billyburg. By the time you will be able to attract a young suburban couple with children to move here full time it will be too expensive for them to buy. Pioneers will do it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer It is a chicken and egg thing like I said. Tommy DeSeno outlined it here a couple of years ago. AP schools became defacto segregated. If the grammar schools get turned around the high school will follow. But AP schools share the same socio-economic problems as most urban schools in poor neighborhoods. How do you fix it? Short of gentrification which really does not solve the problem for those who move out to another non-gentrifying area, no one has seem to come up to the answer. So I see AP for some years as not being a full time family place. Solve the school equation and you have it licked. But you know, as long as the schools are made safe, they would be okay. I assume there are a lot of dedicated teachers. My neice just started teaching at Hope and she is excellent and a former NYC teacher who taught in similar neighborhoods. My daughter teaches in Brooklyn (special ed) and her students are mainly immigrant children. I see the tide turning already with many immigrants going to AP schools in uniforms. And if we are honest with ourselves, a lot of it is just WHITE FEAR. And I am no one to talk because my kids went to catholic schools while even living in a white middle class neighborhood. But me and my wife went to catholic grammar and high schools and so did our kids. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@gmail.com cbrianwatk...@gmail.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
The quality of life issues you mentioned will never change until they knock down the projects and replace it with new affordable housing, just like Newark did in 2008, it reduced crime in that area, homelessness, unemployment and the kids actually attended and did well in school. So many cities across the nation have modeled renovation after Corey Bookers plan with excellent results, Memphis being the latest to do so Those issues tend to bring out my conservative side. I don't have all the answers, but putting stipulations on welfare, such a kids grades meeting certain requirements, drug testing etc may be a good start. Maybe require parents to volunteer certain amount of hours at the schools too Those are tough issues with no black and white answers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:24:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@gmail.com cbrianwatk...@gmail.com To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
They should also add a stipulation that if the kids get in trouble (not sure how many strikes to give), that the whole family is forced to leave their subsidized housing. Let the parents take responsibility for raising their kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: The quality of life issues you mentioned will never change until they knock down the projects and replace it with new affordable housing, just like Newark did in 2008, it reduced crime in that area, homelessness, unemployment and the kids actually attended and did well in school. So many cities across the nation have modeled renovation after Corey Bookers plan with excellent results, Memphis being the latest to do so Those issues tend to bring out my conservative side. I don't have all the answers, but putting stipulations on welfare, such a kids grades meeting certain requirements, drug testing etc may be a good start. Maybe require parents to volunteer certain amount of hours at the schools too Those are tough issues with no black and white answers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:24:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@... cbrianwatk...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon weekenders not necessarily summer people. I am a weekender. A lot of us that own houses here are. We don;t work nearby and so we can't live here full time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
That's EXACTLY what I was getting at...PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY Huge problem with that in AP Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: maubddny filecabinet...@aol.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:57:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. They should also add a stipulation that if the kids get in trouble (not sure how many strikes to give), that the whole family is forced to leave their subsidized housing. Let the parents take responsibility for raising their kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatk...@... wrote: The quality of life issues you mentioned will never change until they knock down the projects and replace it with new affordable housing, just like Newark did in 2008, it reduced crime in that area, homelessness, unemployment and the kids actually attended and did well in school. So many cities across the nation have modeled renovation after Corey Bookers plan with excellent results, Memphis being the latest to do so Those issues tend to bring out my conservative side. I don't have all the answers, but putting stipulations on welfare, such a kids grades meeting certain requirements, drug testing etc may be a good start. Maybe require parents to volunteer certain amount of hours at the schools too Those are tough issues with no black and white answers Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:24:31 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. As a relatively new resident to AP (one of those who bought into Wesley Grove in 2009), I'm not sure how much new residential construction the town can support right now. I think the biggest challenge and most important thing that needs to be done is to make our retail and commercial sectors viable - not just in a non-conformist manner like the TriCity News continually advocates, but with an eye towards providing goods and services that benefit all residents. The key to growing any city is making the infrastucture viable. We've got a significant number of restaurants in operation (most of which are pretty good), but we need more businesses that reach beyond select niches and appeal to a broader range of customers and residents. The schools need help, there is still a significant issue of homelessness and crime, kids need more activities to get them off the streets, and we need to do a better job of making this one community. Above all else, we have to find a way of attracting jobs and new businesses to the community. From: cbrianwatk...@... cbrianwatk...@... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 12, 2010 12:22:59 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. To be honest, I don't even know where 3000 condos would go, how many are in Wesley Grove? I don't mind my commute into JC, and a lot of people I work with live in Interlaken, Bradley etc The schools are a major issue for me though, once my fiance and I get to that point in our lives, ill be a weekender very quickly, I refuse to pay for private schools, and there's not a shot in hell my kids would go to our school system in its current conditions I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:55:30 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Another thing that needs to be considered, and I know Oak has mentioned this before If there were to be 3000 condos built, who is to say 2500 of those units wouldn't be bought as 2nd Homes for Summer usage . We see this a lot as it is with the single family homes. Condos would be more appealing for this due to maintence and such. I will say it again, it will be very very hard for AP to attract 3,000 year round households. NJ is loosing jobs like crazy. You need to be within easy commuting distance to an employment center, or create a place where people will want to live despite the commute or they are retired or independently wealthy. And for families, its a chicken and egg thing. To get families you need good schools. And the latter will only happen is when you get more of a mix of families in AP to be involved with the school and their children's education. So if you build a lot of condos, you will depend upon
[AsburyPark] Audience member responds to ROCKY HORROR
Tonight Friday Nov 12 at 8pm and Midnight Tomorrow Saturday Nov 13 at 8pm and Midnight LAST 4 PERFORMANCES of The Rocky Horror Show at The Carousel House in Asbury Park Just Posted on our website: I saw Rocky last night and was totally thrilled and blown away by the show. The talent is so stellar and the music, set, props and whole production design made for such an impressive evening. Revision has continued to top itself since arriving in Asbury Park - we are so glad you are here! Thank you so much for such a fantastic production and I can't wait to see what is coming up next! - L.G. ReVision Theatre's The Rocky Horror Show www.ReVisionTheatre.org 732-455-3059 The Carousel House on the Boardwalk in Asbury Park 700 Ocean Avenue Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Not in AP.....
For those of us who have kids, but would never send their kids to AP schools, I think it is wrong to assume that is based on any kind of white fear. I would not send my daughter to the AP schools bc they stink. Plain and simple. (The Hope Academy is not ranked very well either.) If I stay here, I will send her to the Ranney School bc I want her to go to an Ivy League school or MIT (if she so chooses), not a local community college. I have talked with other parents of all colors and no one with means will send their kids to the AP schools whatever race, or will for early years and then they are out. I hope my daughter is smart and I want her to be challenged, and I don't think she would be in the public schools here where a huge percentage of the students do not even test as proficient in core subjects! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: I know quite a few families who have passed on AP strictly because of the schools (they were ok with the crime) but the schools were a deal sealer It is a chicken and egg thing like I said. Tommy DeSeno outlined it here a couple of years ago. AP schools became defacto segregated. If the grammar schools get turned around the high school will follow. But AP schools share the same socio-economic problems as most urban schools in poor neighborhoods. How do you fix it? Short of gentrification which really does not solve the problem for those who move out to another non-gentrifying area, no one has seem to come up to the answer. So I see AP for some years as not being a full time family place. Solve the school equation and you have it licked. But you know, as long as the schools are made safe, they would be okay. I assume there are a lot of dedicated teachers. My neice just started teaching at Hope and she is excellent and a former NYC teacher who taught in similar neighborhoods. My daughter teaches in Brooklyn (special ed) and her students are mainly immigrant children. I see the tide turning already with many immigrants going to AP schools in uniforms. And if we are honest with ourselves, a lot of it is just WHITE FEAR. And I am no one to talk because my kids went to catholic schools while even living in a white middle class neighborhood. But me and my wife went to catholic grammar and high schools and so did our kids. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
