[AsburyPark] SICA Mayor's Golf Challenge on August 17th
Dear Art Lovers! The Shore Institute of the Contemporary Arts (SICA) is moving to a new location on Cookman Avenue later this year. This nonprofit gallery space will feature contemporary art, photography, installations, as well as modern dance and other performing arts. SICA is holding a fundraiser called the Mayor's Golf Challenge this Wednesday, August 17th, at the Asbury Eighteen on the boardwalk (at 3rd Ave), from 6 to 9 pm. The contribution is $25 per person. Refreshments and hors d'oeuvres will be served. Follow your round of golf with the Wednesday night fireworks. The forecast is clear and sunny this Wednesday! More information at http://www.sica.org/Fundraising/2011/Golf/Main.html - Danny Weiss 1205 4th Ave. Very truly yours, Daniel L. Weiss, Esq. For the Firm Law Offices of Daniel L. Weiss, L.L.C. 17 Broad Street Freehold, New Jersey 07728-1703 Tel: 732.780.7100 dwe...@weissimmigrationlaw.com blocked::mailto:dwe...@weissimmigrationlaw.com www.weissimmigrationlaw.com http://www.weissimmigrationlaw.com This communication is confidential. If the reader of the e-mail is not the intended recipient or representative of the recipient, you are hereby notified that reviewing, disseminating or copying this information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Jack I don't think the SPCA will do much until you see a dead animal on the property. Since the owner is providing food and shelter to these cats, they are not technically feral. If you do see one who seems dead or close to it, you could call the police for animal neglect/abuse That house smells like ass all the time, especially if its a windy day Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:34:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Actually, the SPCA sent out a vehicle and they picked up the sick cat. This was about 2 years ago. As for the house, I don't understand how the owner gets away with leaving it in that condition. When a few cracks developed on my sidewalk last year, code inforcement contacted my landlord and he made repairs within days. How could they notice our minor sidewalk issue and completely ignore what's turning into a serious health hazard as well as an animal abuse issue? Is it possible that the owner has some kind of connection to somebody in the city that helps her avoid attention? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Jack I don't think the SPCA will do much until you see a dead animal on the property. Since the owner is providing food and shelter to these cats, they are not technically feral. If you do see one who seems dead or close to it, you could call the police for animal neglect/abuse That house smells like ass all the time, especially if its a windy day Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:34:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I was speaking more in terms of perception. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. That's a fallacy. I gave a report to certain councilman years ago who now resides in Spring Lake. The study found that the moving out of the poor does not happen at a faster velocity in a gentrifying neighborhood than it does in a similar non gentrifying neighborhood. What does differ is the ability to reenter the neighborhood that is undergoing gentrification. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I would take pictures of it and put pressure on the city to demolish it and put a lien for the demolition costs on the property. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: I have a question about a bungalow on 1st Ave, near Kingsley. This property has been horribly maintained for at least as long as I've lived in AP. The only activity I see there is the owner stopping by to feed the family of feral cats and kittens that live there. It's both a health hazard and an eyesore, and cruel to the cats. How can this highly visible property sit there like that for so long. Over the years, I had to call the ASPCA once because there was a dying cat on the property. What action should I take to do something about this and it's inconsiderate owner? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. I would have to agree with this 100% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:53:54 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. They had decades to do it but didnt. Now its our turn. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? The time for tears is over. I see new immigrants (be they documented or not), coming to town, going to work every day and spending money. They better themselves. I'd be at the border handing out visas if I could. As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Constantly spending money on my house here. Fixing it up and maintaining it. The lawn is always cut. Constantly pick up garbage on the streets. I dont care who lives here or next to me as long as you take care of your property and are civil and law abiding. If you are not, I don't give a flying f$ck what happens to you but I will do whatever I can to get you out of here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: I would take pictures of it and put pressure on the city to demolish it and put a lien for the demolition costs on the property. Put a bigger memory card in. And spend three hours driving ALL around. Start with the boarded up apartments next to Jack's as well. That mess. the city needs to bring in some temp code enforcement officials. Spend one week planning and another week blanketing the city. Start on the boardwalk and work west. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] For the record Oak
Dave (Oak), First let me say that I always have enjoyed the posts you have put on here as well as the off-list conversations we have had. Second, I clearly struck a nerve with you with my last post and I am ok with that. You ask if I write for self-promotion, to cause one to reflect, etc. I write to provoke thought, discussion and action. I write, discuss, teach, and act on things that make people uncomfortable - that¹s my life, it is who I am. I didn¹t want to get into a pissing match with you on here, but you keep pushing, so, here are a few comments, these are in no particular order, just off the top of my head. 1. You said that I was against surveillance cameras being deployed in AP. That is 100% false. In exercising due diligence on an important issue (which I always did during my service on City Council) I raised the question of the potential violation of civil liberties with regard to cameras. I did not object outright. Once my concerns were allayed by the experts who presented to us, I wholeheartedly supported and pushed for their deployment and I lobbied Sean Kean hard for state dollars to make it happen. 2. With regard to the cameras, you asked, ³where did the money go?² I asked this question many times in a much more general sense with our $36 million dollar budget. This is why I pushed for budget hearings. When we had them, I was the only council person there for the full 8 hours - Loffredo came for 45 minutes. I also went down the Department of Community Affairs in Trenton and begged them to stop giving us money until we had real fiscal accountability. I also pushed for a citizen¹s budget committee. It eventually was formed (I was excluded) and became a bureaucratic shell game with Terry Reidy stalling both the committee members and the City Council. Ask Rita Morano how it went. 3. Coming back to the issue of what to do about the violence, which is in part what started this exchange, here is an example of what could be done. When Tylik Pugh was murdered outside the middle school, I pushed to get $250k of the community development fund (money from Asbury Partners) set aside so that community groups, centers, churches, etc. could come to the Council with programs to help stem the violence. All I wanted was an earmark and a commitment to hear out people who were on the frontlines and then potentially fund what they would present to us. The result? I could not even get a second on my motion to put it up for discussion. 4. I really don¹t think that people have a clue about what is brewing among the poor and disenfranchised in AP. Let me give you a few anecdotal stories from my time on Council: * I attended the wake of a young man that was gunned down in our streets. After the wake, I drove four of the young man¹s friends home. I knew two of them from coaching rec basketball, so they felt somewhat comfortable speaking with me. I asked them what they thought about AP and the direction it was going. One of them said to me, ³You don¹t think we know what¹s going on here? All these new people moving in just want all the poor black people out of here. Redevelopment? Not for us. But I can tell you this. If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² I shared this story with my colleagues and said that we should have community development, crime prevention, etc. on our Council agendas EVERY MEETING. I said that the City staff should be working on this stuff around the clock. The result? Nothing. When the young man was chased down the street and shot in the gutter outside the Westside Community Center, Susan Maynard came to the next City Council meeting and said, ³This is just the beginning. I am seeing Red (read: the Bloods) like I have never seen before. You better get a handle on this or it¹s going to come back to you.² She was dismissed as an alarmist. * I always laugh when people both in AP and outside AP say, ³It has to start with the families.² They are clueless. They simply have no idea of the harsh reality that exists. After the rash of shootings a few years back, I was invited by a teacher to visit AP High School to listen to the kids and hear what they had to say. (Remember, this was the time when the school board president told me to stay out of the schools.) I went to one class and met three really troubled young men. One had a father in jail, he had another 10 years on his sentence for stabbing a guy in the neck. His mother was an addict. She was now shacked up with the 26-year-old brother of his classmate and they all lived together. This is a bit extreme, but it is not completely off the charts. Do you realize how many kids are without two parents? Do you realize how many kids who do have a parent at home rarely see that parent if they are trying
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Where did the money that the Federal Government keeps sending here and never reach those it was intended for? I'll bet no one on the Council can account for lost millions that the late Assemblyman Smith brought to this area. He TOLD me this! My daughter HAD a business on Cookman Ave., next to the old Jay Davids store. Who cares whether someone is Gay or straight? Why do you bring this up? One thing I'm not is anti-gay, so why do you bring this up? I don't have a clue as to what AP does with our taxed to death dollars! You tell me! I'm FOR gentrification. Asbury authorities brag when a new business opens, but it's not through THEIR effort! It looks like good PR. Where's Affordable Housing for those stuck in that dreadful situation that passes for public housing? Long Branch has a rule that if you allow a criminal to live you, you get evicted! All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! So you're a good guy right? Are you anti-gay or something? You seem to be on a rant about them. Many of those homes had absentee landlords, living elsewhere and couldn't give a hoot about AP. Murnick that owns the Munroe Towers owned the lot across the street, the old Bond St. School. Bought the lot from the City for $139K, sat on the property for 10 years undeveloped. The City bought it back through eminent domain, paid him the 139K, fair market value and now the Thurgood Marshall School is there! Finally a Senior Center is being built but the neighborhood over there is surrounded by eyesores! I was a member of the Board of Adjustment when all of this was going on. Mid nineties. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: The question should be: Should the city have remained a run down wasteland it was? How many of you actually had a business in AP during those years? I did. The city, state, feds and general public had a great opportunity as did every single charity that every existed - to do what you ask? To have come in, purchased properties block by block and build housing, renovate housing you name it. And it wasn't and hasn't been gentrified - barely at that. Someone once said about the gay movement in AP - that it wasn't the rich gays Taking over - it was the ones that had vision and not rich enough to afford other gay communities. It hasn't been the rich that first came in and bought a bunch of run down boarded up houses that every one else had a chance to buy - it was a bunch of average people who really couldn't afford to buy in avon, belmar etc - maybe the second or 3rd resales of homes since 2000 were wealthier. Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc - that all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't. Where was the APHA? Was the leader with vision in town? I once posted that I took a nice bike ride all around the east side of AP and counted how many - apartment buildings there were, how many multi family houses there were and how many condo there were. Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not paying taxes?? As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and volunteering. Instead, get blasted for being gay, rich, racist, uncaring, selfish - And I;m sure most of us on this board crack open their wallet and give back to the kids and community in general many more ways - beside spending money and paying taxes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in and displace the poor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] For the record Oak
Mr Keady You've brought up a few talking points I've been very curious about for some time. If you don't mind, I'd like to email you off this messageboard to discuss further. I would love to get a different opinion on some things and you seem to have insight that I've been assuming for years I'd rather not piss off the City Council anymore than I already have. Thanks Brian Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Educating for Justice j...@educatingforjustice.org Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:48:53 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] For the record Oak Dave (Oak), First let me say that I always have enjoyed the posts you have put on here as well as the off-list conversations we have had. Second, I clearly struck a nerve with you with my last post and I am ok with that. You ask if I write for self-promotion, to cause one to reflect, etc. I write to provoke thought, discussion and action. I write, discuss, teach, and act on things that make people uncomfortable - that¹s my life, it is who I am. I didn¹t want to get into a pissing match with you on here, but you keep pushing, so, here are a few comments, these are in no particular order, just off the top of my head. 1. You said that I was against surveillance cameras being deployed in AP. That is 100% false. In exercising due diligence on an important issue (which I always did during my service on City Council) I raised the question of the potential violation of civil liberties with regard to cameras. I did not object outright. Once my concerns were allayed by the experts who presented to us, I wholeheartedly supported and pushed for their deployment and I lobbied Sean Kean hard for state dollars to make it happen. 2. With regard to the cameras, you asked, ³where did the money go?² I asked this question many times in a much more general sense with our $36 million dollar budget. This is why I pushed for budget hearings. When we had them, I was the only council person there for the full 8 hours - Loffredo came for 45 minutes. I also went down the Department of Community Affairs in Trenton and begged them to stop giving us money until we had real fiscal accountability. I also pushed for a citizen¹s budget committee. It eventually was formed (I was excluded) and became a bureaucratic shell game with Terry Reidy stalling both the committee members and the City Council. Ask Rita Morano how it went. 3. Coming back to the issue of what to do about the violence, which is in part what started this exchange, here is an example of what could be done. When Tylik Pugh was murdered outside the middle school, I pushed to get $250k of the community development fund (money from Asbury Partners) set aside so that community groups, centers, churches, etc. could come to the Council with programs to help stem the violence. All I wanted was an earmark and a commitment to hear out people who were on the frontlines and then potentially fund what they would present to us. The result? I could not even get a second on my motion to put it up for discussion. 4. I really don¹t think that people have a clue about what is brewing among the poor and disenfranchised in AP. Let me give you a few anecdotal stories from my time on Council: * I attended the wake of a young man that was gunned down in our streets. After the wake, I drove four of the young man¹s friends home. I knew two of them from coaching rec basketball, so they felt somewhat comfortable speaking with me. I asked them what they thought about AP and the direction it was going. One of them said to me, ³You don¹t think we know what¹s going on here? All these new people moving in just want all the poor black people out of here. Redevelopment? Not for us. But I can tell you this. If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² I shared this story with my colleagues and said that we should have community development, crime prevention, etc. on our Council agendas EVERY MEETING. I said that the City staff should be working on this stuff around the clock. The result? Nothing. When the young man was chased down the street and shot in the gutter outside the Westside Community Center, Susan Maynard came to the next City Council meeting and said, ³This is just the beginning. I am seeing Red (read: the Bloods) like I have never seen before. You better get a handle on this or it¹s going to come back to you.² She was dismissed as an alarmist. * I always laugh when people both in AP and outside AP say, ³It has to start with the families.² They are clueless. They simply have no idea of the harsh reality that exists. After the rash of shootings a few
[AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate....
J. Edgar was a stone racist! I can't name my source but I heard that he had black blood, which is why he was so hateful, in addition to privately wearing women's clothing. It's presumptuous to speak about what if's. Malcolm X spoke about using the gun to getting our freedom, by any means necessary. Kings speech on the Viet Nam War was an indication that he was evolving from non violence to taking action against police and their bully tactics against Blacks and other demonstrators. As Rachel Maddow would say, what're we doing? Our roads, bridges and infrastructure are crumbling and so called debt is something the US is going to have regardless of the 2 made up wars left by Bush Co. Jobs are created when the government steps in and institute fixing our country instead of having a bridge fall as it did. Yeah, what are we doing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: I came across this entry on the internet: Make no mistake about it; Martin Luther King was a radical. If he were alive today, most people in power (read: white people) would hate him, would hate what he was saying, and would hate what he was willing to die for. Once again, the person who wrote this is generalizing a point in time, a point in history and of course there may be some white people who would hate him. But this well educated writer writes this for what? Self-promotion? To cause us to reflect? It's a shame such talent uses his platform to state in no other words that white people hate black people while currently lives at the beach in NJ... Ironic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-keady/do-you-really-want-to-cel_b_809799.html We know you're a well educated man. Please don't spread hatred where it doesn't exist. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate....
Good point Sharon After the Great Recession, our country dropped 330 Million (trillions these days) on Infrastructure, this put people back to work, built roads and bridges and basically got us out of the economic disaster we were in As they sayHistory Repeats Itself, unfortunately, since Corporations and Lobbyists run our Federal Government, we won't see a massive infrastructure initiative like that ever again Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:30:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate J. Edgar was a stone racist! I can't name my source but I heard that he had black blood, which is why he was so hateful, in addition to privately wearing women's clothing. It's presumptuous to speak about what if's. Malcolm X spoke about using the gun to getting our freedom, by any means necessary. Kings speech on the Viet Nam War was an indication that he was evolving from non violence to taking action against police and their bully tactics against Blacks and other demonstrators. As Rachel Maddow would say, what're we doing? Our roads, bridges and infrastructure are crumbling and so called debt is something the US is going to have regardless of the 2 made up wars left by Bush Co. Jobs are created when the government steps in and institute fixing our country instead of having a bridge fall as it did. Yeah, what are we doing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: I came across this entry on the internet: Make no mistake about it; Martin Luther King was a radical. If he were alive today, most people in power (read: white people) would hate him, would hate what he was saying, and would hate what he was willing to die for. Once again, the person who wrote this is generalizing a point in time, a point in history and of course there may be some white people who would hate him. But this well educated writer writes this for what? Self-promotion? To cause us to reflect? It's a shame such talent uses his platform to state in no other words that white people hate black people while currently lives at the beach in NJ... Ironic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-keady/do-you-really-want-to-cel_b_809799.html We know you're a well educated man. Please don't spread hatred where it doesn't exist. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Actually, most of that housing is rotting away. There's mold everywhere. I grew up in Eatoncrest apts. which is surrounded by that development. It's been fenced in for years, and is currently home to a herd of deer. Right around the corner at the Ft. Monmouth golf course, there were acres of abandoned homes. All got bulldozed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Those homes are condemned, well a lot of them are at least Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:34:17 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Most of its condemned and not livable Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:41:15 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown? Actually, most of that housing is rotting away. There's mold everywhere. I grew up in Eatoncrest apts. which is surrounded by that development. It's been fenced in for years, and is currently home to a herd of deer. Right around the corner at the Ft. Monmouth golf course, there were acres of abandoned homes. All got bulldozed. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: There's housing, ready to move in, left by the military of Ft. Monmouth. It's going to waste, now that everything moved to MD. It would house thousands, right off Hope Rd. in Eatontown. It's unbelievable what problems this would solve if AP residents, the disabled and retired military could just move in, this housing is fairly new. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: To have section 8 or housing vouchers you need rental properties. Many NJ towns do not have rentals. See Wyckoff, Franklin Lakes, Skillman, or very few. I would prefer public assistance benefits be contingent on job/career training and job placement. Abbot districts do have free preschool at age 3, in other towns nothing and there is nothing I know of from 0-3. There are some subsidies available in poorer areas like Jersey City. My friends are applying for the NJ health insurance for their children bc her husband lost his job. Problem is, they live in Ridgewood and those doctors don't take the insurance. There is a segregation, poverty is concentrated. So, while there are services available in those areas, the same are not available elsewhere. I think that the concentration of poverty and forced segregation is a big part of the problem. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Thank you. However this: Provide affordable (Section 8) housing in every town allowing people to choose where they want to live Note: This exists today in some form. I am a section 8 landlord. In Ocean Township. 1 - 2 family and 4 single family homes. All good people - maybe rough around the edges. They have kids. Go ot OT schools etc. provide real job training and career counseling Isn't that afford today? in addition to welfare benefits, public daycare facilities so that moms can return to work Isn't that afford today? Shouldn't that be for all moms? along with affordable healthcare again, healthcare exists in some form, right? What about affordable for you and me? mental healthcare, addiction counseling, and reproductive healthcare/counseling. ALL afford today. Especially if you face jail time vs. counseling. A mother of 3 section 8 benefit - in the area of !700 per month. - Does that count as affordable? - Daycare. - free post HS and preschool education, food, medical. Add it up. Im all for programs to help. The trick is getting people to make it worth their while. Trust me. I've spoken to many people who RATHER NOT get off the benefit package - it simply doesn't pay enough. And true, there are thousands of people on wait lists for section 8. The correct term is HOUSING VOUCHERS. The voucher enables a person to take it anywhere - so I have a middletown check every month, a long branch check every month and a couple from the state every month. Get inspected each year by whatever program and have to fix whatever my tenant may have broken. it could get crazy. NOt much an incentive, is it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I live in the real world. It is beautiful where I live. I think everyone should have the chance to work, make a decent living and be able to enjoy it without some thug/gang/thief, trying to make off with what someone sweated for. I blame the police and the City for not properly lighting certain areas because they are KNOWN areas for robbery and criminal mischief and as Hinge said, where are all those damn cameras? I read in the Coaster or the Press that AP was going to look into getting them, What! They used the UEZ funds for something else? I see a lot of PR spots on NJTV which I hate, since the plug was pulled on NJN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Good point Sharon After the Great Recession, our country dropped 330 Million (trillions these days) on Infrastructure, this put people back to work, built roads and bridges and basically got us out of the economic disaster we were in As they sayHistory Repeats Itself, unfortunately, since Corporations and Lobbyists run our Federal Government, we won't see a massive infrastructure initiative like that ever again Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b283@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:30:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate J. Edgar was a stone racist! I can't name my source but I heard that he had black blood, which is why he was so hateful, in addition to privately wearing women's clothing. It's presumptuous to speak about what if's. Malcolm X spoke about using the gun to getting our freedom, by any means necessary. Kings speech on the Viet Nam War was an indication that he was evolving from non violence to taking action against police and their bully tactics against Blacks and other demonstrators. As Rachel Maddow would say, what're we doing? Our roads, bridges and infrastructure are crumbling and so called debt is something the US is going to have regardless of the 2 made up wars left by Bush Co. Jobs are created when the government steps in and institute fixing our country instead of having a bridge fall as it did. Yeah, what are we doing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I came across this entry on the internet: Make no mistake about it; Martin Luther King was a radical. If he were alive today, most people in power (read: white people) would hate him, would hate what he was saying, and would hate what he was willing to die for. Once again, the person who wrote this is generalizing a point in time, a point in history and of course there may be some white people who would hate him. But this well educated writer writes this for what? Self-promotion? To cause us to reflect? It's a shame such talent uses his platform to state in no other words that white people hate black people while currently lives at the beach in NJ... Ironic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-keady/do-you-really-want-to-cel_b_809799.html We know you're a well educated man. Please don't spread hatred where it doesn't exist. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: For the record Oak
Thoughtfully said. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice jim@... wrote: Dave (Oak), First let me say that I always have enjoyed the posts you have put on here as well as the off-list conversations we have had. Second, I clearly struck a nerve with you with my last post and I am ok with that. You ask if I write for self-promotion, to cause one to reflect, etc. I write to provoke thought, discussion and action. I write, discuss, teach, and act on things that make people uncomfortable - that¹s my life, it is who I am. I didn¹t want to get into a pissing match with you on here, but you keep pushing, so, here are a few comments, these are in no particular order, just off the top of my head. 1. You said that I was against surveillance cameras being deployed in AP. That is 100% false. In exercising due diligence on an important issue (which I always did during my service on City Council) I raised the question of the potential violation of civil liberties with regard to cameras. I did not object outright. Once my concerns were allayed by the experts who presented to us, I wholeheartedly supported and pushed for their deployment and I lobbied Sean Kean hard for state dollars to make it happen. 2. With regard to the cameras, you asked, ³where did the money go?² I asked this question many times in a much more general sense with our $36 million dollar budget. This is why I pushed for budget hearings. When we had them, I was the only council person there for the full 8 hours - Loffredo came for 45 minutes. I also went down the Department of Community Affairs in Trenton and begged them to stop giving us money until we had real fiscal accountability. I also pushed for a citizen¹s budget committee. It eventually was formed (I was excluded) and became a bureaucratic shell game with Terry Reidy stalling both the committee members and the City Council. Ask Rita Morano how it went. 3. Coming back to the issue of what to do about the violence, which is in part what started this exchange, here is an example of what could be done. When Tylik Pugh was murdered outside the middle school, I pushed to get $250k of the community development fund (money from Asbury Partners) set aside so that community groups, centers, churches, etc. could come to the Council with programs to help stem the violence. All I wanted was an earmark and a commitment to hear out people who were on the frontlines and then potentially fund what they would present to us. The result? I could not even get a second on my motion to put it up for discussion. 4. I really don¹t think that people have a clue about what is brewing among the poor and disenfranchised in AP. Let me give you a few anecdotal stories from my time on Council: * I attended the wake of a young man that was gunned down in our streets. After the wake, I drove four of the young man¹s friends home. I knew two of them from coaching rec basketball, so they felt somewhat comfortable speaking with me. I asked them what they thought about AP and the direction it was going. One of them said to me, ³You don¹t think we know what¹s going on here? All these new people moving in just want all the poor black people out of here. Redevelopment? Not for us. But I can tell you this. If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² I shared this story with my colleagues and said that we should have community development, crime prevention, etc. on our Council agendas EVERY MEETING. I said that the City staff should be working on this stuff around the clock. The result? Nothing. When the young man was chased down the street and shot in the gutter outside the Westside Community Center, Susan Maynard came to the next City Council meeting and said, ³This is just the beginning. I am seeing Red (read: the Bloods) like I have never seen before. You better get a handle on this or it¹s going to come back to you.² She was dismissed as an alarmist. * I always laugh when people both in AP and outside AP say, ³It has to start with the families.² They are clueless. They simply have no idea of the harsh reality that exists. After the rash of shootings a few years back, I was invited by a teacher to visit AP High School to listen to the kids and hear what they had to say. (Remember, this was the time when the school board president told me to stay out of the schools.) I went to one class and met three really troubled young men. One had a father in jail, he had another 10 years on his sentence for stabbing a guy in the neck. His mother was an addict. She was now shacked up with the 26-year-old brother of his classmate and they all lived together. This is a bit extreme, but it is not
[AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate....
At very least, the city should do a survey of it's street lighting and find out what's working, and what's not. The block on Bergh where the carjacking took place has non-working lights, and several of us have called JCPL, but so far, they remain out. On the other hand, this weekend I saw foot patrols in my neighborhood, and an increased amount of unmarked cars everywhere. Sometimes I wish we could just have a huge town hall meeting and bring as much of AP together as possible. While we all live in different geographical parts of the city, we are ALL residents and it would be beautiful if as a whole this city could stand up for itself and be much more neighborly. I know that sounds very rose colored glasses, but what stops a community from doing such a thing? People come together after a disaster, why not before one happens? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: I live in the real world. It is beautiful where I live. I think everyone should have the chance to work, make a decent living and be able to enjoy it without some thug/gang/thief, trying to make off with what someone sweated for. I blame the police and the City for not properly lighting certain areas because they are KNOWN areas for robbery and criminal mischief and as Hinge said, where are all those damn cameras? I read in the Coaster or the Press that AP was going to look into getting them, What! They used the UEZ funds for something else? I see a lot of PR spots on NJTV which I hate, since the plug was pulled on NJN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Good point Sharon After the Great Recession, our country dropped 330 Million (trillions these days) on Infrastructure, this put people back to work, built roads and bridges and basically got us out of the economic disaster we were in As they sayHistory Repeats Itself, unfortunately, since Corporations and Lobbyists run our Federal Government, we won't see a massive infrastructure initiative like that ever again Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b283@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:30:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate J. Edgar was a stone racist! I can't name my source but I heard that he had black blood, which is why he was so hateful, in addition to privately wearing women's clothing. It's presumptuous to speak about what if's. Malcolm X spoke about using the gun to getting our freedom, by any means necessary. Kings speech on the Viet Nam War was an indication that he was evolving from non violence to taking action against police and their bully tactics against Blacks and other demonstrators. As Rachel Maddow would say, what're we doing? Our roads, bridges and infrastructure are crumbling and so called debt is something the US is going to have regardless of the 2 made up wars left by Bush Co. Jobs are created when the government steps in and institute fixing our country instead of having a bridge fall as it did. Yeah, what are we doing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I came across this entry on the internet: Make no mistake about it; Martin Luther King was a radical. If he were alive today, most people in power (read: white people) would hate him, would hate what he was saying, and would hate what he was willing to die for. Once again, the person who wrote this is generalizing a point in time, a point in history and of course there may be some white people who would hate him. But this well educated writer writes this for what? Self-promotion? To cause us to reflect? It's a shame such talent uses his platform to state in no other words that white people hate black people while currently lives at the beach in NJ... Ironic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-keady/do-you-really-want-to-cel_b_809799.html We know you're a well educated man. Please don't spread hatred where it doesn't exist. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate....
Massive amounts of Bike Patrols ALL weekend in my neighborhood Two seperate patrols stopped while I was tending to my yard and asked how everything was, if I had seen anything out of the ordinary That was a first since I've lived here Its a step, albeit a baby one Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:56:57 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate At very least, the city should do a survey of it's street lighting and find out what's working, and what's not. The block on Bergh where the carjacking took place has non-working lights, and several of us have called JCPL, but so far, they remain out. On the other hand, this weekend I saw foot patrols in my neighborhood, and an increased amount of unmarked cars everywhere. Sometimes I wish we could just have a huge town hall meeting and bring as much of AP together as possible. While we all live in different geographical parts of the city, we are ALL residents and it would be beautiful if as a whole this city could stand up for itself and be much more neighborly. I know that sounds very rose colored glasses, but what stops a community from doing such a thing? People come together after a disaster, why not before one happens? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: I live in the real world. It is beautiful where I live. I think everyone should have the chance to work, make a decent living and be able to enjoy it without some thug/gang/thief, trying to make off with what someone sweated for. I blame the police and the City for not properly lighting certain areas because they are KNOWN areas for robbery and criminal mischief and as Hinge said, where are all those damn cameras? I read in the Coaster or the Press that AP was going to look into getting them, What! They used the UEZ funds for something else? I see a lot of PR spots on NJTV which I hate, since the plug was pulled on NJN! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Good point Sharon After the Great Recession, our country dropped 330 Million (trillions these days) on Infrastructure, this put people back to work, built roads and bridges and basically got us out of the economic disaster we were in As they sayHistory Repeats Itself, unfortunately, since Corporations and Lobbyists run our Federal Government, we won't see a massive infrastructure initiative like that ever again Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b283@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:30:34 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Spreading hate J. Edgar was a stone racist! I can't name my source but I heard that he had black blood, which is why he was so hateful, in addition to privately wearing women's clothing. It's presumptuous to speak about what if's. Malcolm X spoke about using the gun to getting our freedom, by any means necessary. Kings speech on the Viet Nam War was an indication that he was evolving from non violence to taking action against police and their bully tactics against Blacks and other demonstrators. As Rachel Maddow would say, what're we doing? Our roads, bridges and infrastructure are crumbling and so called debt is something the US is going to have regardless of the 2 made up wars left by Bush Co. Jobs are created when the government steps in and institute fixing our country instead of having a bridge fall as it did. Yeah, what are we doing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I came across this entry on the internet: Make no mistake about it; Martin Luther King was a radical. If he were alive today, most people in power (read: white people) would hate him, would hate what he was saying, and would hate what he was willing to die for. Once again, the person who wrote this is generalizing a point in time, a point in history and of course there may be some white people who would hate him. But this well educated writer writes this for what? Self-promotion? To cause us to reflect? It's a shame such talent uses his platform to state in no other words that white people hate black people while currently lives at the beach in NJ... Ironic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-keady/do-you-really-want-to-cel_b_809799.html We know you're a well educated man. Please don't spread hatred where it doesn't exist. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links *
[AsburyPark] Re: For the record Oak
Thanks Jim. I've been up late the past two weeks ever since that kid that got carjacked. I usually stop in to say hi to my kids when they are working. But the real reason is - I go down to check out what's happening in the immediate area. They work late. Then my daughter goes out in AP. They forget their surroundings. So needless to say the other night when she told me of her encounter, I was pissed. As I said, your well educated, ALWAYS responded to a comment - or pissing match - and you were visible in AP - even if you weren't welcome. Give you credit there. Thanks again. dd --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice jim@... wrote: Dave (Oak), First let me say that I always have enjoyed the posts you have put on here as well as the off-list conversations we have had. Second, I clearly struck a nerve with you with my last post and I am ok with that. You ask if I write for self-promotion, to cause one to reflect, etc. I write to provoke thought, discussion and action. I write, discuss, teach, and act on things that make people uncomfortable - that¹s my life, it is who I am. I didn¹t want to get into a pissing match with you on here, but you keep pushing, so, here are a few comments, these are in no particular order, just off the top of my head. 1. You said that I was against surveillance cameras being deployed in AP. That is 100% false. In exercising due diligence on an important issue (which I always did during my service on City Council) I raised the question of the potential violation of civil liberties with regard to cameras. I did not object outright. Once my concerns were allayed by the experts who presented to us, I wholeheartedly supported and pushed for their deployment and I lobbied Sean Kean hard for state dollars to make it happen. 2. With regard to the cameras, you asked, ³where did the money go?² I asked this question many times in a much more general sense with our $36 million dollar budget. This is why I pushed for budget hearings. When we had them, I was the only council person there for the full 8 hours - Loffredo came for 45 minutes. I also went down the Department of Community Affairs in Trenton and begged them to stop giving us money until we had real fiscal accountability. I also pushed for a citizen¹s budget committee. It eventually was formed (I was excluded) and became a bureaucratic shell game with Terry Reidy stalling both the committee members and the City Council. Ask Rita Morano how it went. 3. Coming back to the issue of what to do about the violence, which is in part what started this exchange, here is an example of what could be done. When Tylik Pugh was murdered outside the middle school, I pushed to get $250k of the community development fund (money from Asbury Partners) set aside so that community groups, centers, churches, etc. could come to the Council with programs to help stem the violence. All I wanted was an earmark and a commitment to hear out people who were on the frontlines and then potentially fund what they would present to us. The result? I could not even get a second on my motion to put it up for discussion. 4. I really don¹t think that people have a clue about what is brewing among the poor and disenfranchised in AP. Let me give you a few anecdotal stories from my time on Council: * I attended the wake of a young man that was gunned down in our streets. After the wake, I drove four of the young man¹s friends home. I knew two of them from coaching rec basketball, so they felt somewhat comfortable speaking with me. I asked them what they thought about AP and the direction it was going. One of them said to me, ³You don¹t think we know what¹s going on here? All these new people moving in just want all the poor black people out of here. Redevelopment? Not for us. But I can tell you this. If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² I shared this story with my colleagues and said that we should have community development, crime prevention, etc. on our Council agendas EVERY MEETING. I said that the City staff should be working on this stuff around the clock. The result? Nothing. When the young man was chased down the street and shot in the gutter outside the Westside Community Center, Susan Maynard came to the next City Council meeting and said, ³This is just the beginning. I am seeing Red (read: the Bloods) like I have never seen before. You better get a handle on this or it¹s going to come back to you.² She was dismissed as an alarmist. * I always laugh when people both in AP and outside AP say, ³It has to start with the families.² They are clueless. They simply have no idea of the harsh reality that exists. After the
