[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
My house is techinically a condo, converted in 2004 with the 5 units in the front house. Hard to comp. It is near North Beach, 2 bed, 2 bath, no tax abatement, taxes around 6K (down from 8k- I fought the law and I won). I do not want to default. My understanding is NJ is a recourse state, so I will owe the money anyway and destroy my credit. I can *probably* qualify for another mortgage, looking into that now. SO, I will buy a small house closer to work in a town where I can send my kid to school and use Asbury as a rental. Although I am not too keen on being a LL. I am NOT handy at ALL. And I will likely move a bit away. I would like to keep Asbury as a second home, but with child care costs etc, I do not think I can really swing it. But anyway, the point is that when those North Beach units sit and are a little over $300k with a tax abatement OCEANFRONT, that just depresses everything else. My place could be worth $100K less than what I paid for it 7 years ago. And if a condo board is not flush with cash, the buyer you find may not be able to get a mortgage anyway. More new units that come on and sit, the more the older ones get depressed. I know the plan is the plan, but I am not real sure what the incentive is to keep building what people do not seem to want to buy. If Asbury becomes more and more a place where people want to go (amusements, Stone Pony etc) THEN maybe people will want to buy luxury condos. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Hadn't looked in a long time, but tax records for N Beach sow around 80 units in Paramounts name. Not sure how many of those remain unfinished, rented by them, or finished and vacant. SO more then half unsold. that does little for you. I think I saw a 2 bed there going for 309k. That unit, tax abated taxes are just $3400. Wesley grove is advertising 4 unsold. Not sure which units. At least one I recall was a real waste - at least in my view. One listing is for a unit by MM is for $339,00. With tax abatement taxes are only around $5000. Griffin - maybe 15 units up. Not sure. A $649,000 unit there, taxes are looking at $7700. While at the Blu, a $256000 blowout price, taxes are $7,000. MLS shows 91 condos for sale, which includes some listed here, but not all that are up in some conversions. And then there are those like yourself, with homes you'd like to sell, but from what you say are more or less stuck. Stuck unless you look at your numbers, life etc and do that american thing and say f-it. Hire a local attorney (there;s a few), stop paying your mortgage and the rest on a home that is underwater. Pocket the cash and save it. Why pay on a losing investment? Well, that's the real bullshit and why the system is screwed up. Sales suck unless you have cash. You need f[in perfect credit and you need your home to appraise. Good luck all the way around. I inquired the other day about refinancing from 6% on my home down to 7-7.5 on my rentals. What a joke. I currently pay, on time, a mortgage on tiny equity loan on my home, and mortgages, on time, on 3 rentals with 3 mortgages and another small equity line that is closed. Car loans, one existing - never late. Cards, paid off or on time. On own a couple houses free and clear. Like a schmuck I worked my ass off as did my wife to do it right... I had one f-up a tax lien that I paid off sooner then I had to. That;s because tenant's don't get arrested for stealing (not paying rent). They just move on to the next schmuck of a landlord. My point is, RENTALS, priced to rent, will rent. It;s one of the lastest trends in housing and that's why there's money going into it. Rental owner Developing the rental and holding it for themselves. It's where the old farts after WWII made their money and many of those families never sold these investments. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
I'd appeal your taxes again. Why not. One of the big rushes about when you bought your condo was the quick conversion of 1-5 units in AP to condo ownership. Pre-conversion I had a looked at a couple. The city back then was to quick and desperate and let these happen. So a place like yours that was paying maybe 10k in taxes as a 5 family rental (or more or less) all of a sudden was worth $50k in taxes. Why not approve the conversions?? Many of the apartment to condo conversions looked great as well. They are as a second home, weekend home etc. Those that bought to flip got screwed as were those that were duped thinking that the rent always covers the mortgage . Maybe someone bought as a second home or yr round home only to find themselves in a building that is now mostly rentals North beach didn't do a blow-out sale either. If I'm right, Amboy Bank was/is the mortgage holder and they had a clever set-up to hold their own notes. They moved them off the books. Instead of dumping properties, they either sold for proft or hold and manage and rent the properties. And yes, the value of your condo - is based on the supply on demand. Some people want to be in downtown, some in a conversion, some in a highrise with gym, pool, indoor parking, doorman and on the beach. And minimal taxes for now. See what you get for having a career, being a working mom, paying taxes, successful, afraid for your credit and not taking the easy way out. You'd make an excellent subject for an article.; Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
CH is REALLY filled with music history. That's something that missing in that building. If someone had half-a-brain, they'd do a bit of research and come up with a mini look at who was there. Be a nice little ting to walk around. Ditto for the paramount. I have a concept. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
Also note with banks, if you are a total disaster, they have an incentive to work with you, but if you are not, they won't. So, I posed the following to the bank, as a hypothetical... I said, what if I owe say $300K and I find a buyer on my own for $270K. Can I work out a payment plan for the $30K that I owe? No. All loans will be due upon the sale. So, you would rather people default on purpose, have to sell the house, institute legal proceedings to recover the difference etc rather than allow people to pay off their debts with little inconvenience to the bank? Makes no sense. So, yeah, bring on more condos :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: I bought not to flip but to hold on for maybe 5 years or so, have a fun weekend place, place to surf And then, well, life happened! Changed jobs, got married, had a child, got divorced, etc. The rent will never cover my costs, it will only help, but then I have to worry that the tenants will mess up my house :) Yes, the middle class, always gets screwed! Much easier to be a big bank! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I'd appeal your taxes again. Why not. One of the big rushes about when you bought your condo was the quick conversion of 1-5 units in AP to condo ownership. Pre-conversion I had a looked at a couple. The city back then was to quick and desperate and let these happen. So a place like yours that was paying maybe 10k in taxes as a 5 family rental (or more or less) all of a sudden was worth $50k in taxes. Why not approve the conversions?? Many of the apartment to condo conversions looked great as well. They are as a second home, weekend home etc. Those that bought to flip got screwed as were those that were duped thinking that the rent always covers the mortgage . Maybe someone bought as a second home or yr round home only to find themselves in a building that is now mostly rentals North beach didn't do a blow-out sale either. If I'm right, Amboy Bank was/is the mortgage holder and they had a clever set-up to hold their own notes. They moved them off the books. Instead of dumping properties, they either sold for proft or hold and manage and rent the properties. And yes, the value of your condo - is based on the supply on demand. Some people want to be in downtown, some in a conversion, some in a highrise with gym, pool, indoor parking, doorman and on the beach. And minimal taxes for now. See what you get for having a career, being a working mom, paying taxes, successful, afraid for your credit and not taking the easy way out. You'd make an excellent subject for an article.; Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
CH and the Paramount are essentially being wasted by MM, they could have SO much booked in there and they don't, its really a shame Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:40:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go... CH is REALLY filled with music history. That's something that missing in that building. If someone had half-a-brain, they'd do a bit of research and come up with a mini look at who was there. Be a nice little ting to walk around. Ditto for the paramount. I have a concept. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
back to the same old debate here. Plenty more venues - modern, more seating, sound etc. If you spend tens of millions to build, you have to figure out how to recoup the $. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows presented there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Moving residential zoning off of that block to accommodate an expanded Stone Pony would be far more beneficial to Asbury Park. Werner My first recommendation. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
It is my recollection that we are not talking about moving the SP building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I'm sure we can all recall what happened when it was proposed to tear down the club in 2002: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stone-pony-faces-demolition-20020111 My concerns are the same as yours. The wording in the recommendation is an open invitation to begin the process of abandoning the building and eventually losing it. Even says to be relocated from its second avenue location. The summer stage is in no way adjacent to second avenue. I should clarify that in Nancy Sheild's article it says relocated from its second ave relocation, does not specifically state this in the report. Might be her misinterpritation, but still an alarming thing to read nonetheless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Pay Parking ....
without parking meters, the town would need to raise additional monies to operate. Should a homeowner pay another $150 year in property taxes or a landlord pass those increased taxes to the tenant? Do you as a tenant want to pay another $15 per month in rent to support free parking? And as long as the parking ratios are waived for new and existing construction - you'll have a parking problem. If you have commercial - you need parking.If you have residential, you need parking. this isn't NYC and most people here have cars. until you and all your friends live, work, play and shop in AP people will use cars. good chance most people with a 2 bedroom will have 2 cars and maybe they will have friends. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
That depends on what its used for. ConHall was not designed for modern sound systems and concerts. The building materials, shape and acoustics are terrible for contemporary productions. That's because ConHall is part of an instrument designed into the building, a Theater Organ. If you've never heard the organ played you really missed an experience. The sound is amazing, that's what it excels at. Silent film festival comes to mind (live organ) or Organ concerts with dancing ? It is also designed to show 35mm film. My heart sank when I witnessed the destruction of the arc lamp power systems from 1930. ConHall is not used to take advantage of its design, - A Convention Center... Trying to use it as contemporary concert venue is doomed to failure. The real gem is the Paramount Theater. Again, due to its design for live performances you can hear a whisper in the last row. It has the best acoustics of any venue around here. Also set up for 35mm film projection. There appears to be no philosophy in place to make the best use of what Asbury Park venues currently offer let alone their full potential.. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows presented there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
isn't that what shortsale is though? or even what about a loan modification? both of which i believe destroy credit (i'm not sure the technicalities) and the only way to get them to consdier that is to just stop paying the mortgagebut - i know if you're thinking about something like that there is a tax implication of the balance forgiving if it's not primary residence (if you're thinking of renting) - i had a friend who got really bitten that way. it's going to cost no matter what (either the bank or government will take it). i'm wondering why investors would even consider building more condos based on the open units and foreclosure rate etc, it doesn't make sense and it screws us all up. I got bitten in NY that way too - couldn't (still can't) sell my apartment in chelsea which is a brownstone, goregous building, back yard etc because there are something like 5000 unsold new build condos in the same area (unfortunately it is a coop, but still). *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:45 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Also note with banks, if you are a total disaster, they have an incentive to work with you, but if you are not, they won't. So, I posed the following to the bank, as a hypothetical... I said, what if I owe say $300K and I find a buyer on my own for $270K. Can I work out a payment plan for the $30K that I owe? No. All loans will be due upon the sale. So, you would rather people default on purpose, have to sell the house, institute legal proceedings to recover the difference etc rather than allow people to pay off their debts with little inconvenience to the bank? Makes no sense. So, yeah, bring on more condos :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: I bought not to flip but to hold on for maybe 5 years or so, have a fun weekend place, place to surf And then, well, life happened! Changed jobs, got married, had a child, got divorced, etc. The rent will never cover my costs, it will only help, but then I have to worry that the tenants will mess up my house :) Yes, the middle class, always gets screwed! Much easier to be a big bank! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I'd appeal your taxes again. Why not. One of the big rushes about when you bought your condo was the quick conversion of 1-5 units in AP to condo ownership. Pre-conversion I had a looked at a couple. The city back then was to quick and desperate and let these happen. So a place like yours that was paying maybe 10k in taxes as a 5 family rental (or more or less) all of a sudden was worth $50k in taxes. Why not approve the conversions?? Many of the apartment to condo conversions looked great as well. They are as a second home, weekend home etc. Those that bought to flip got screwed as were those that were duped thinking that the rent always covers the mortgage . Maybe someone bought as a second home or yr round home only to find themselves in a building that is now mostly rentals North beach didn't do a blow-out sale either. If I'm right, Amboy Bank was/is the mortgage holder and they had a clever set-up to hold their own notes. They moved them off the books. Instead of dumping properties, they either sold for proft or hold and manage and rent the properties. And yes, the value of your condo - is based on the supply on demand. Some people want to be in downtown, some in a conversion, some in a highrise with gym, pool, indoor parking, doorman and on the beach. And minimal taxes for now. See what you get for having a career, being a working mom, paying taxes, successful, afraid for your credit and not taking the easy way out. You'd make an excellent subject for an article.; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
I think the old Casino shell that extends over the water would be a great place for a boutique hotel. With other uses in the Casino building and part that connects with the Carousel. 3 Floor high - Each room could have a balcony with an ocean view. Something like the hotel tides feeling but with a much better location, more rooms and a place to hold weddings, cocktail hours on the roof overlooking the ocean etc... with an up and coming AP in the background and the quaint and charming Ocean Grove to the other side. That place would be fully booked all summer and my guess is for most of the winter as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
I have not really explored it but my understanding is that if you can pay, they have no incentive to work with you re: short sale or modification. And unless there are dire circumstances, why destroy credit, have tax implications, open youself up to legal action, etc.? I think it is just better to wait it out. However, that being said, my concern with this plan is that the local home values will continue to go down if more condos flood the market and do not sell. Eventually, the units will be filled with tenants instead of home owners, etc. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: isn't that what shortsale is though? or even what about a loan modification? both of which i believe destroy credit (i'm not sure the technicalities) and the only way to get them to consdier that is to just stop paying the mortgagebut - i know if you're thinking about something like that there is a tax implication of the balance forgiving if it's not primary residence (if you're thinking of renting) - i had a friend who got really bitten that way. it's going to cost no matter what (either the bank or government will take it). i'm wondering why investors would even consider building more condos based on the open units and foreclosure rate etc, it doesn't make sense and it screws us all up. I got bitten in NY that way too - couldn't (still can't) sell my apartment in chelsea which is a brownstone, goregous building, back yard etc because there are something like 5000 unsold new build condos in the same area (unfortunately it is a coop, but still). *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:45 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Also note with banks, if you are a total disaster, they have an incentive to work with you, but if you are not, they won't. So, I posed the following to the bank, as a hypothetical... I said, what if I owe say $300K and I find a buyer on my own for $270K. Can I work out a payment plan for the $30K that I owe? No. All loans will be due upon the sale. So, you would rather people default on purpose, have to sell the house, institute legal proceedings to recover the difference etc rather than allow people to pay off their debts with little inconvenience to the bank? Makes no sense. So, yeah, bring on more condos :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I bought not to flip but to hold on for maybe 5 years or so, have a fun weekend place, place to surf And then, well, life happened! Changed jobs, got married, had a child, got divorced, etc. The rent will never cover my costs, it will only help, but then I have to worry that the tenants will mess up my house :) Yes, the middle class, always gets screwed! Much easier to be a big bank! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: I'd appeal your taxes again. Why not. One of the big rushes about when you bought your condo was the quick conversion of 1-5 units in AP to condo ownership. Pre-conversion I had a looked at a couple. The city back then was to quick and desperate and let these happen. So a place like yours that was paying maybe 10k in taxes as a 5 family rental (or more or less) all of a sudden was worth $50k in taxes. Why not approve the conversions?? Many of the apartment to condo conversions looked great as well. They are as a second home, weekend home etc. Those that bought to flip got screwed as were those that were duped thinking that the rent always covers the mortgage . Maybe someone bought as a second home or yr round home only to find themselves in a building that is now mostly rentals North beach didn't do a blow-out sale either. If I'm right, Amboy Bank was/is the mortgage holder and they had a clever set-up to hold their own notes. They moved them off the books. Instead of dumping properties, they either sold for proft or hold and manage and rent the properties. And yes, the value of your condo - is based on the supply on demand. Some people want to be in downtown, some in a conversion, some in a highrise with gym, pool, indoor parking, doorman and on the beach. And minimal taxes for now. See what you get for having a career, being a working mom, paying taxes, successful, afraid for your credit and not taking the easy way out. You'd make an excellent subject for an article.; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go...
Yep. That and the pretty dreadful dressing rooms and backstage facilities. Acts are definitely not clamoring to play Convention Hall and that is not likely to change when there are so many other options around. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:21:41 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Will it Stay or Will it Go... Unfortunately, Convention Hall is one of the worst sounding concert venues in the country. That's probably the main reason for the sparse amount of shows presented there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: That would not be the best option. ConHall and Paramount are already used for what they were designed for. Certainly not to their full potential, however the space is already taken up. The storefronts are in use and there is little if any space left for use that would not negatively impact the Hall or Theater The Casino is the blank slate for what you are suggesting - its a big enpty shell at this point and the arena rebuild would return the needed multifunction venue currently lacking. An Asbury Park museum, carousel, arena, food, shops etc. Roller/Ice skating ? For decages I have said the Casino complex is the key to revitalizing the beachfront - it is the front door to the rest of the boardwalk to the south. http://www.scribd.com/doc/39802642/Asbury-Park-Historian-Baumgartner It remains unrealized. Asbury Park needs to stop being myopic. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: music wise, CH should then be considered the real spot to be musuem, new SP stage etc... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
speak to an accountant. Not a bad move converting it to rental - if you sell you sell and may have some tax beneifts. If you don't sell and want to convert it back to your primary home - it might work out as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
Yes, before I do anything I will have it all researched. The point really, my personal experience is just an example. If this plan comes to be, isn't it just going to be more and more of this with all of our property values getting more and more depressed. We need to adress the other issues (eg, crime) and making Asbury a desireable destination and then add more units. I understand that the developers have rights, but I just don't see how it make sense now, as the supply is greater than the demand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: speak to an accountant. Not a bad move converting it to rental - if you sell you sell and may have some tax beneifts. If you don't sell and want to convert it back to your primary home - it might work out as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
There are numerous reasons why that is impractical. Foremost being that State CAFRA policy limits construction on the ocenfront which is intended to minimize threats to life and property from hurricane and flood conditions. If a hotel were allowed it would likely be cost prohibitive to build to the required standards on that site. The only reason the Arena is being allowed to be rebuilt at all is that it was an existing building and historically significant. The Plan and Developer agreement specify that the Arena portion of the Casino Complex be rebuilt in like kind to the original as far as the exterior goes. - - -Balconies would not make the grade, nor would any fenestration (windows,doors) that is not consistent with the original design. There were plans produced that show a hotel on the inland side of the Casino between the Carousel House and former Palace Amusements. The current recommendations appear to support that concept of building heights and massing. Frankly the best use of that space would be as a Public Plaza/Market space. That would be consistent with the original design of Asbury Park's street grid providing a beautiful interface to Wesley Lake and Ocean Grove. A Hotel should be inserted at the Esperanza (C-8) site. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dave dsher4@... wrote: I think the old Casino shell that extends over the water would be a great place for a boutique hotel. With other uses in the Casino building and part that connects with the Carousel. 3 Floor high - Each room could have a balcony with an ocean view. Something like the hotel tides feeling but with a much better location, more rooms and a place to hold weddings, cocktail hours on the roof overlooking the ocean etc... with an up and coming AP in the background and the quaint and charming Ocean Grove to the other side. That place would be fully booked all summer and my guess is for most of the winter as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
the city government makes AP an undespireable place to live. EVERYTHING in AP is about revenue. my drug dealing neighbors get off scott free despite the whole neighborhood complaining, becuase the cops are too busy issuing tickets to care. my neighbor is a volunteer C.O.P. and can't even get the cops to care. for 4 years, i mowed the grass in front of that damn house because the landlord didn't. i picked up the garbage in front to keep the rest of the street nice. our neighbors plowed the drug houses' walk when they didn't. the ridiculous tickets me and my family have gotten, i wont go into - not having lights on when windshield wipers are on despite it not raining, tickets for being parked too close to stop sign when there is no stop sign, etc etc; when i need them, they are not there. Both times our car had the window based in. when three next-door neighbors were broken into in a matter of 2 months. the abandoned house caddy corner to use went vacant and had homeless people living there for months. i wont go on. point is... in 2007 our house appraised at 600k. in 2010, when my husband lost his job, we put our hose on the market. we had one offer in over 6 months for 300k. this is a newly renovated, high end, 5 bedroom house on the east side, on a side street with a yard and i coyuldnt sell it for over 300k. mind you, we are still in a short sale and the bank declined that offer this month - sept 2011. thankfully, our buyers came back with a slightly higher offer. who buy a 1br condo @ 350k when you have your choice of beautiful, huge foreclosed and short sale houses to chose from for cheaper? PS. any losses from this property will not be taxed if it closes in 2011 (thank you obama). and our sale is contigent on us not having anything else due on our mortgage when we close - thanks to our attorney. --- to those of you who say it is immoral to walk away from our mortgage, i can explain to you why you you are an idiot in a separate email. my husband worked on wall st, for the banks who created this overpriced, false housing bubble and i say F you to the banks who refused to refinance us, refused to modify our mortgage, dragged our our mortgage mod application for a year and a half, denied us on not making enough when you gave us a loan on the same income in the first place, then refused our short sale. we tried. now take that and eat it, banks. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:08 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Yes, before I do anything I will have it all researched. The point really, my personal experience is just an example. If this plan comes to be, isn't it just going to be more and more of this with all of our property values getting more and more depressed. We need to adress the other issues (eg, crime) and making Asbury a desireable destination and then add more units. I understand that the developers have rights, but I just don't see how it make sense now, as the supply is greater than the demand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: speak to an accountant. Not a bad move converting it to rental - if you sell you sell and may have some tax beneifts. If you don't sell and want to convert it back to your primary home - it might work out as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
Werner 100% agree with a hotel at the C-8 site, in fact I'd rather hotels all along kingsley and ocean instead of condos Being that AP's gentrification plans exclude actual families with children, any condos built in that area will become 2nd homes for people, in the end that will have an economic impact on waterfront business'..a negative impact Brian Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:36:01 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot There are numerous reasons why that is impractical. Foremost being that State CAFRA policy limits construction on the ocenfront which is intended to minimize threats to life and property from hurricane and flood conditions. If a hotel were allowed it would likely be cost prohibitive to build to the required standards on that site. The only reason the Arena is being allowed to be rebuilt at all is that it was an existing building and historically significant. The Plan and Developer agreement specify that the Arena portion of the Casino Complex be rebuilt in like kind to the original as far as the exterior goes. - - -Balconies would not make the grade, nor would any fenestration (windows,doors) that is not consistent with the original design. There were plans produced that show a hotel on the inland side of the Casino between the Carousel House and former Palace Amusements. The current recommendations appear to support that concept of building heights and massing. Frankly the best use of that space would be as a Public Plaza/Market space. That would be consistent with the original design of Asbury Park's street grid providing a beautiful interface to Wesley Lake and Ocean Grove. A Hotel should be inserted at the Esperanza (C-8) site. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dave dsher4@... wrote: I think the old Casino shell that extends over the water would be a great place for a boutique hotel. With other uses in the Casino building and part that connects with the Carousel. 3 Floor high - Each room could have a balcony with an ocean view. Something like the hotel tides feeling but with a much better location, more rooms and a place to hold weddings, cocktail hours on the roof overlooking the ocean etc... with an up and coming AP in the background and the quaint and charming Ocean Grove to the other side. That place would be fully booked all summer and my guess is for most of the winter as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
I hope it works out, re the short sale and I am sorry for your situation. That is why I thought it was funny when I said to the bank, hey,what if I find my own buyer and I do not even ask for a short sale, but I just pay off whatever the difference is monthly, and they said, eh No! I was like, wait so you would rather I default on purpose? I have friends where the husband lost his job and their financial situation is a total disaster bc of that obviously. They were able to get a loan modification. But, if you can pay, and it is just the situation that you need to move on... I think the bank is far more willing to just let me take out more money, rather than work with me to square the debt I already have. What is your attorney's name though. It may be worth giving him/her a call. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Bob Loblaw bobloblaws.blog@... wrote: the city government makes AP an undespireable place to live. EVERYTHING in AP is about revenue. my drug dealing neighbors get off scott free despite the whole neighborhood complaining, becuase the cops are too busy issuing tickets to care. my neighbor is a volunteer C.O.P. and can't even get the cops to care. for 4 years, i mowed the grass in front of that damn house because the landlord didn't. i picked up the garbage in front to keep the rest of the street nice. our neighbors plowed the drug houses' walk when they didn't. the ridiculous tickets me and my family have gotten, i wont go into - not having lights on when windshield wipers are on despite it not raining, tickets for being parked too close to stop sign when there is no stop sign, etc etc; when i need them, they are not there. Both times our car had the window based in. when three next-door neighbors were broken into in a matter of 2 months. the abandoned house caddy corner to use went vacant and had homeless people living there for months. i wont go on. point is... in 2007 our house appraised at 600k. in 2010, when my husband lost his job, we put our hose on the market. we had one offer in over 6 months for 300k. this is a newly renovated, high end, 5 bedroom house on the east side, on a side street with a yard and i coyuldnt sell it for over 300k. mind you, we are still in a short sale and the bank declined that offer this month - sept 2011. thankfully, our buyers came back with a slightly higher offer. who buy a 1br condo @ 350k when you have your choice of beautiful, huge foreclosed and short sale houses to chose from for cheaper? PS. any losses from this property will not be taxed if it closes in 2011 (thank you obama). and our sale is contigent on us not having anything else due on our mortgage when we close - thanks to our attorney. --- to those of you who say it is immoral to walk away from our mortgage, i can explain to you why you you are an idiot in a separate email. my husband worked on wall st, for the banks who created this overpriced, false housing bubble and i say F you to the banks who refused to refinance us, refused to modify our mortgage, dragged our our mortgage mod application for a year and a half, denied us on not making enough when you gave us a loan on the same income in the first place, then refused our short sale. we tried. now take that and eat it, banks. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:08 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Yes, before I do anything I will have it all researched. The point really, my personal experience is just an example. If this plan comes to be, isn't it just going to be more and more of this with all of our property values getting more and more depressed. We need to adress the other issues (eg, crime) and making Asbury a desireable destination and then add more units. I understand that the developers have rights, but I just don't see how it make sense now, as the supply is greater than the demand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: speak to an accountant. Not a bad move converting it to rental - if you sell you sell and may have some tax beneifts. If you don't sell and want to convert it back to your primary home - it might work out as well. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dave dsher4@... wrote: I think the old Casino shell that extends over the water would be a great place for a boutique hotel. With other uses in the Casino building and part that connects with the Carousel. 3 Floor high - Each room could have a balcony with an ocean view. Something like the hotel tides feeling but with a much better location, more rooms and a place to hold weddings, cocktail hours on the roof overlooking the ocean etc... with an up and coming AP in the background and the quaint and charming Ocean Grove to the other side. That place would be fully booked all summer and my guess is for most of the winter as well. iStar says they cannot sell (now or near term) the hotel site in front of the Carousel for a hotel use. I think they are wrong. The Casino is considered to be pivotal in the development of the core area at that juncture. Unfortunately, MM controls it in its partnership and MM sings the same old song where do we get the money. I am afraid iStar will have to do something to gain control of that retail partnership because quite frankly, the other plans depend upon the Casino being rebuilt. I thought it was the worst mistake to let it be demolished (I thought it was better than the part left standing). But that is water under the bridge and hopefully we learn by our mistakes. But even now that is being unused. There could have been concerts, vendors etc on the concrete pier out there with minimal investment. It seems to me that MM is in a hunker down mode. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Bob Loblaw bobloblaws.blog@... wrote: the city government makes AP an undespireable place to live. EVERYTHING in AP is about revenue. my drug dealing neighbors get off scott free despite the whole neighborhood complaining, becuase the cops are too busy issuing tickets to care. my neighbor is a volunteer C.O.P. and can't even get the cops to care. I have called the APPD so many times I cannot count them. I can never remember them once not showing up in force within minutes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
The quickest response time I've ever seen. Called them on Sunday for a domestic dispute. They were there with 3 cars, and had the father cuffed before I could get back into my yard Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:04:14 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Bob Loblaw bobloblaws.blog@... wrote: the city government makes AP an undespireable place to live. EVERYTHING in AP is about revenue. my drug dealing neighbors get off scott free despite the whole neighborhood complaining, becuase the cops are too busy issuing tickets to care. my neighbor is a volunteer C.O.P. and can't even get the cops to care. I have called the APPD so many times I cannot count them. I can never remember them once not showing up in force within minutes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Being that AP's gentrification plans exclude actual families with children, Its chicken and an egg. You won't get families with children until the schools are okay. ANd you will not get good schools until you get families in here with kids and the parents participate in their childrens' education. I've seen this happen countless times and I always point to where I grew up in Park Slope Brooklyn. I went to catholic school there and by the 8th grade the neighborhood had gotten so bd I had to carry a knife in my pocket during lunch break. People moved in buying brownstones and ultimately the public school in that neighborhood became one of the top (I think sometimes #1 and #2) in NYC. And I do see hope, because now I see a lot of parents walking kids to the schools in AP, including many of the new immigrants, be they documented or not. I do not know why folks have such a distorted view of the redevelopment plan. It excludes no one. Whether it is feasible or not is another story because in my personal and professional experience, the best type of gentrification is house by house. And what you need are pioneers, and government to make its best efforts to create a safe environment. By the latter I mean to make improvements towards safety. I am filled with hope for the future of AP. I think its a great place and I am very happy that I bought here. This city has a lot going for it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
I understand how it works, lived through it myself, almost identically to you. (In CT, not NY or NJ) However, nothing done thus far in the waterfront area has taken the West Side families into consideration Ill take this discussion with you further in private, but not here Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:11:29 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Being that AP's gentrification plans exclude actual families with children, Its chicken and an egg. You won't get families with children until the schools are okay. ANd you will not get good schools until you get families in here with kids and the parents participate in their childrens' education. I've seen this happen countless times and I always point to where I grew up in Park Slope Brooklyn. I went to catholic school there and by the 8th grade the neighborhood had gotten so bd I had to carry a knife in my pocket during lunch break. People moved in buying brownstones and ultimately the public school in that neighborhood became one of the top (I think sometimes #1 and #2) in NYC. And I do see hope, because now I see a lot of parents walking kids to the schools in AP, including many of the new immigrants, be they documented or not. I do not know why folks have such a distorted view of the redevelopment plan. It excludes no one. Whether it is feasible or not is another story because in my personal and professional experience, the best type of gentrification is house by house. And what you need are pioneers, and government to make its best efforts to create a safe environment. By the latter I mean to make improvements towards safety. I am filled with hope for the future of AP. I think its a great place and I am very happy that I bought here. This city has a lot going for it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
The other thing is the schools. Yes its great that parents are walking their kids and getting more involved. The problem is that our school district is run by the state. We could have 3000 families move into AP this weekend, all of which could have very intelligent children, and it still wouldn't change the schools. Like everything else of importance in AP, control of this is held by outside authority. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:11:29 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Being that AP's gentrification plans exclude actual families with children, Its chicken and an egg. You won't get families with children until the schools are okay. ANd you will not get good schools until you get families in here with kids and the parents participate in their childrens' education. I've seen this happen countless times and I always point to where I grew up in Park Slope Brooklyn. I went to catholic school there and by the 8th grade the neighborhood had gotten so bd I had to carry a knife in my pocket during lunch break. People moved in buying brownstones and ultimately the public school in that neighborhood became one of the top (I think sometimes #1 and #2) in NYC. And I do see hope, because now I see a lot of parents walking kids to the schools in AP, including many of the new immigrants, be they documented or not. I do not know why folks have such a distorted view of the redevelopment plan. It excludes no one. Whether it is feasible or not is another story because in my personal and professional experience, the best type of gentrification is house by house. And what you need are pioneers, and government to make its best efforts to create a safe environment. By the latter I mean to make improvements towards safety. I am filled with hope for the future of AP. I think its a great place and I am very happy that I bought here. This city has a lot going for it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: unsold condos...
as for short sales, your story is real. Unfortunately, once you get in trouble, people longer around that want to buy, but if they can hold out, then they do. It's all the loopholes that your lawyers legally use to wipe out your loss with little or no obligaiton - either tax wise (as a gain). the lawyers pocket a nice chunk. Yea, people bought high, many of whom thought it can only go higher, cause real estate always goes up... Not only did people buy high, but people bought into the shit, look at that equity I now have after making only 2 paymentsthe bank wants to give me $100,000 equity loan... So people do what they do. They take the extra $100k, buy some jewlery, a range rover and buy a couple drinks. So now they go from a $400,000 mortgage to $500,000 mortgage and a property that was appraised at $550 when things were good. So now it's worth $300,000 and you pissed away $100k just because. What about the ones who had a home value of $1.3 in the day, didn't chase the equity loan and whose home is only worth half that today. What's in it for them? How can they jump in? Shouldn't they also get to share in the relief? Shouldn't banks automatically cut their rate in half?? why should they, someone has to pay. To read the rest of this rant about short sales (my sister is trying to buy one her first home - perfect credit, single, no debt, works her ass off etc... two months into it so far...)... let's blame the appraisers ): let's blame the real estate agents... let's blame the banks for making the loans... Our first house way back when was 12.5% interest. We ate alot of pancakes for dinner and any place that food at happy hour. Our refi's that we were happy to hell with were 10%, 8%, 6 . and back and forth. Paid them all. we took our lunches to work. we commuted together in a beatup old vw that my -f-in law kept running. cut my own lawns and more or less have worked for my tenants, making sure they were always happy so most of them can do all those things I didn't. The full story will be the basis for my newsletter on RentLaw.com - or SmallLandlord.com a site we're working on. Best of luck with your sale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
The waterfront redevelopment plan is for the waterfront. The Springwood Avenue Plan is for that area and hopefully there will be more. I hear you about discussing it privately but no need. I am dealing with the plan as the plan for the waterfront area period. As I said, the best developments are piecemeal and not dependent on one huge project. I would have set guidelines for the area and say go to it. But this is ancient history. And who knows, there may be the ability of property owners to develop their own properties if they escape eminent domain. But remember the issue of the need to pay for infrastructure. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I understand how it works, lived through it myself, almost identically to you. (In CT, not NY or NJ) However, nothing done thus far in the waterfront area has taken the West Side families into consideration Ill take this discussion with you further in private, but not here Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:11:29 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Being that AP's gentrification plans exclude actual families with children, Its chicken and an egg. You won't get families with children until the schools are okay. ANd you will not get good schools until you get families in here with kids and the parents participate in their childrens' education. I've seen this happen countless times and I always point to where I grew up in Park Slope Brooklyn. I went to catholic school there and by the 8th grade the neighborhood had gotten so bd I had to carry a knife in my pocket during lunch break. People moved in buying brownstones and ultimately the public school in that neighborhood became one of the top (I think sometimes #1 and #2) in NYC. And I do see hope, because now I see a lot of parents walking kids to the schools in AP, including many of the new immigrants, be they documented or not. I do not know why folks have such a distorted view of the redevelopment plan. It excludes no one. Whether it is feasible or not is another story because in my personal and professional experience, the best type of gentrification is house by house. And what you need are pioneers, and government to make its best efforts to create a safe environment. By the latter I mean to make improvements towards safety. I am filled with hope for the future of AP. I think its a great place and I am very happy that I bought here. This city has a lot going for it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Like everything else of importance in AP, control of this is held by outside authority. unfortunately,it hasn't been able to run to well from inside authority. neither has the housing authority. Dan should change his residency to AP. Run for mayor. I'd go to every meeting. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: But remember the issue of the need to pay for infrastructure. How is that now being defined? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
Again, can't argue with that Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:33:21 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Like everything else of importance in AP, control of this is held by outside authority. unfortunately,it hasn't been able to run to well from inside authority. neither has the housing authority. Dan should change his residency to AP. Run for mayor. I'd go to every meeting. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: It seems to me that MM is in a hunker down mode. seems like i-star will have to un-hunker them. If they get in the way, dissolve the partnership - either $$$ or legally. If not, you'll wind up with them stalling something. Wonder what the out is in their partnership. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Boutique Hotel in the Casino spot
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: But remember the issue of the need to pay for infrastructure. How is that now being defined? The simple fact of the matter is that the city does not have the money to pay for the infrastructure upgrades. Believe it or not, I am told that Partners, from the beginning of this, has sunk $40M (whether their own or subdevelopers) into infrastructure. The Plan has the developer (and indirectly subdevelopers) paying for the infrastructure. The previous plan was different I believe (city paid). I am sure Partners would love to change that and that has always been an obstacle in actually developing (in addition to the Fishmans being cretins) the waterfront. So iStar is in for $70M. You have heard me for years tell the city that no developer is their friend. I am not changing my song here, but thus far I am encouraged by iStar. They weren't developers before. They hire Brian who worked at TramellCrow and Hovanian and I think they are really trying to figure this thing out. They played real hard-nose here in Manhattan foreclosing on big, big stuff. They are not into losing money but I also think they are realists and don;t try to kill the goose. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city
Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city
It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
exactly what you saw. If you stand in front of my house for more than 5 minutes I am on the phone with the cops. Let god sort them out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: My husband and I were walking down Emory between 6th and 7th a few weeks back with my 5 year old. A black SUV stopped in the middle of 6th on the corner of Emory and a guy jumped out right in fromt of us and tucked something into the back of his pants and when running purposefully down the road toward the beach. The SUV screeched off. Would you call the police for something like that? What would you tell them? *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
My husband and I were walking down Emory between 6th and 7th a few weeks back with my 5 year old. A black SUV stopped in the middle of 6th on the corner of Emory and a guy jumped out right in fromt of us and tucked something into the back of his pants and when running purposefully down the road toward the beach. The SUV screeched off. Would you call the police for something like that? What would you tell them? *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
Yes I would, give them exactly what you just ssaid and the best descriptions possible Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.dav...@its-ship.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:43:10 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city My husband and I were walking down Emory between 6th and 7th a few weeks back with my 5 year old. A black SUV stopped in the middle of 6th on the corner of Emory and a guy jumped out right in fromt of us and tucked something into the back of his pants and when running purposefully down the road toward the beach. The SUV screeched off. Would you call the police for something like that? What would you tell them? *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
Bergh between AP Ave. and 1st has always been a hotspot. Lot's of discarded condoms laying in the guitar. The Delmonte Hotel across from me seems to be becoming a hot spot for drug dealing. There's an older guy who's been making drug runs on his vintage bicycle recently, and he's blatant about it. I'd love to see a squad car camp out in front of that place for a few weeks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Same here, although I don't gives cars who park on my side street 5mins, they get 2mins I'm on a corner lot, and they like to bring their tricks around when it is dark, we have called so many times for that, we have noticed the johns/tricks have moved to Pine Street (btwn 5th and Sunset) so now we're calling if we see them there when we walk our dogs Its never ending, but we've been calling less for the cars latelymaybe they are getting the message Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:52:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city exactly what you saw. If you stand in front of my house for more than 5 minutes I am on the phone with the cops. Let god sort them out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: My husband and I were walking down Emory between 6th and 7th a few weeks back with my 5 year old. A black SUV stopped in the middle of 6th on the corner of Emory and a guy jumped out right in fromt of us and tucked something into the back of his pants and when running purposefully down the road toward the beach. The SUV screeched off. Would you call the police for something like that? What would you tell them? *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@wrote: ** Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] screw economists
Experts forecast five years of doom and gloom for U.S. housing market September 21, 2011 04:30PM [alternate text] More than 100 economists, real estate experts and investment strategists projected the path of the SP/Case-Shiller U.S. National Home Price Index over the next five years. And the forecast isn't pretty. According to the MacroMarkets survey released today, experts predict home prices will gain just 1.1 percent annually over the next five years. Expectations for home price performance in 2011 has become somewhat less negative, said Robert Shiller, one of the creators of the Case-Shiller index and a co-founder of MacroMarkets. Unfortunately, the average projection is somewhat more negative for each of the following four years. The glacial-paced growth is even more disappointing considering the record low mortgage rates, experts said. And no matter how much effort the government puts into correcting a problem, most of the experts said a solution should come from the market. While 73 percent of those surveyed believed further government action is highly likely, 57 percent said government action is undesirable and 49 percent said it is unnecessary. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city
Does that guy sing/talk to himself when he's riding? I have a guy who is similar with the biking around and dealing, he is very blatant about it, lives a few houses away on Comstock, kinda in an alleyway type thing Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:22:58 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city Bergh between AP Ave. and 1st has always been a hotspot. Lot's of discarded condoms laying in the guitar. The Delmonte Hotel across from me seems to be becoming a hot spot for drug dealing. There's an older guy who's been making drug runs on his vintage bicycle recently, and he's blatant about it. I'd love to see a squad car camp out in front of that place for a few weeks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Same here, although I don't gives cars who park on my side street 5mins, they get 2mins I'm on a corner lot, and they like to bring their tricks around when it is dark, we have called so many times for that, we have noticed the johns/tricks have moved to Pine Street (btwn 5th and Sunset) so now we're calling if we see them there when we walk our dogs Its never ending, but we've been calling less for the cars latelymaybe they are getting the message Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dfsavgny dfsavgny@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:52:35 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: New gang tags appearing around the city exactly what you saw. If you stand in front of my house for more than 5 minutes I am on the phone with the cops. Let god sort them out. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: My husband and I were walking down Emory between 6th and 7th a few weeks back with my 5 year old. A black SUV stopped in the middle of 6th on the corner of Emory and a guy jumped out right in fromt of us and tucked something into the back of his pants and when running purposefully down the road toward the beach. The SUV screeched off. Would you call the police for something like that? What would you tell them? *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@wrote: ** Thanks, now I feel better! Demonstrating one of our town negatives :) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: It is my understanding that this a Bloods Sect, they run out of AP and Neptune I can find out more from a friend My fiance had 4 guys taken in the other day. They parked a car at the corner of my street (in front of my house), the 4 guys (not kids) got out, placed the hoods on their sweatshirts up on their heads and began walking to the HS. When she saw this, she called the police, as it was 1pm on a Thursday They were from Neptune and looking for 2kids from AP. Car was towed the next day. Moral is, call the police if it looks suspicious Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:12:56 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] New gang tags appearing around the city Has anybody noticed the new gang tags that have been appearing around the city recently? At Library Square Park, somebody spray painted MDP at each of the trash containers at the 4 corners of the park. What is MDP? MDP is short for Murder Dem Pussies This same tag is spreading fast. There's a new Latin restaurant on Bond street that opened about a week ago, and somebody tagged it in the past few days. This is not good news, because it signifies a subset of a gang staking out territory. If you observe anybody doing this, call the PD immediately. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email:
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
Comments are due by September 30th. Redevelopment Plan: http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/DRAFT_WRP_Committee_landuse_Sept2011.pdf Powerpoint Presentation: http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/Waterfront_Committee_Presentation_Sept2011.pdf Submit Comments via Email to: asburyplann...@gmail.com Submit Comments via Mail to: Asbury Park Dept. of Planning and Redevelopment ATTN: WRP Committee One Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Additional information can be found courtesy of Joe Woerner and the Surfrider Foundation: www.saveasburypark.com --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: Thanks, where can mail/email be sent specifically? Once again, pardon my ignorance on this point. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. You are all wasting your time commenting here. Written comments will be accepted by the city till September 30. Get cracking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some time. There were more important things in my life that became a priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for the reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal today I felt the need to jump back in the conversation. As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that there is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the entire report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the chaning needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan was drafted over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, the blight that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has all but dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. Nowhere is infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been implimented on existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront would look like the downtown does. There was plenty of land for condos too, just like the developers desire. I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed to be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, I originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but perhaps unrealistic plan to incorporate the Stone Pony into a NJ music museum/hof and possible hotel. While just a vision of mine and perhaps pipe dream on my part (one that I'm sure is shared with countless others) I still submit this is the best possible use for the site. I even still have some rough sketches/plans saved... as time allows, I hope to be able to revive and improve upon them, even if just as a personal venture. Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning standpoint. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
This posting is inaccurate... The document referred to is.. the Advisory Committee Recommendations. Not the Redevelopment Plan The Redevelopment Plan is at http://cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/March_15_Redevelopment_Plan_Amended_120105.pdf Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, larrybertorelli larrybertorelli@... wrote: Comments are due by September 30th. Redevelopment Plan: http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/DRAFT_WRP_Committee_landuse_Sept2011.pdf Powerpoint Presentation: http://www.cityofasburypark.com/pdfs/Waterfront_Committee_Presentation_Sept2011.pdf Submit Comments via Email to: asburyplanning@... Submit Comments via Mail to: Asbury Park Dept. of Planning and Redevelopment ATTN: WRP Committee One Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 Additional information can be found courtesy of Joe Woerner and the Surfrider Foundation: www.saveasburypark.com --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Thanks, where can mail/email be sent specifically? Once again, pardon my ignorance on this point. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. You are all wasting your time commenting here. Written comments will be accepted by the city till September 30. Get cracking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: Hi all, I have not been an active part of this group in quite some time. There were more important things in my life that became a priority but one thing that never changed is my growing love for the reborn city of Asbury Park. But after reading over the proposal today I felt the need to jump back in the conversation. As a planner/architect by profession, my personal opinion is that there is one major flaw in the Committee's report. I read over the entire report tonight and one thing that was not addressed is the chaning needs of a city that has grown since the redevelopment plan was drafted over a decade ago. No longer are tear downs necessary, the blight that plagued the city in the late 90s/early 2000s has all but dissappeared for most areas of the redevelopment zone. Nowhere is infill and rehab mentioned. It should be. Had it been implimented on existing structures 10 years ago, the beachfront would look like the downtown does. There was plenty of land for condos too, just like the developers desire. I'd also like to say the fact that the Stone Pony is being allowed to be threatened so easily is a joke. As some of you may remember, I originally joined this group years ago with an ambitious but perhaps unrealistic plan to incorporate the Stone Pony into a NJ music museum/hof and possible hotel. While just a vision of mine and perhaps pipe dream on my part (one that I'm sure is shared with countless others) I still submit this is the best possible use for the site. I even still have some rough sketches/plans saved... as time allows, I hope to be able to revive and improve upon them, even if just as a personal venture. Also, the Cookman Avenue closure proposal is ridiculous from a planning standpoint. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: I would love to attend these sort of things, but my employment/mom duties generally prohibit me from doing so. Can you please give more of an overview of what was discussed generally? What are they planning? In general, the proposal involves changes to allowed building heights and types of uses throughout the redevelopment area. Additionally - several specific issues were addressed... the Bradley Cove Townhome project, allowing the Stone Pony to be demolished, and closure of a portion of Cookman Ave, among others. It is my understanding that the proposal will be posted on the City Website. I have the documents if anyone wants them before that. Comments are being accepted by mail and email. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. While this group may be discussing the outdoor stage ... That is NOT what is being referred to in the Recommendations document or the Redevelopment Plan. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Real Estate
...It is always wise to buy real estate especially so if you want a home First select town and if it fills the requirements of ideals of what a home town should be then buy a home in that locality We believe we have all the qualities that make for home town The time to purchase is right Disturbed conditions due to European cataclysm should not deter one from purchasing now Property purchased now will ready for the upward turn when have again righted themselves ... ...property values Asbury Park has become what it is from a real estate standpoint through the efforts of its many live business men who were not afraid to do and dare There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is developing We would like to see the time when Asbury Park would embrace all of the territory north of Deal Lake including Interlaken West Al lenhurst Loch Arbour Allenhurst and Deal to the Long Branch City line This territory would be ample for a more closely developed community ideal and many of our local problems would be solved There would be no greater boon to real estate values than such a coalition GEORGE W PITTENGER from The Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce guide, 1915. If you like AP history, READ IT and go from there. some things never change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Real Estate
There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is. That is true! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: ...It is always wise to buy real estate especially so if you want a home First select town and if it fills the requirements of ideals of what a home town should be then buy a home in that locality We believe we have all the qualities that make for home town The time to purchase is right Disturbed conditions due to European cataclysm should not deter one from purchasing now Property purchased now will ready for the upward turn when have again righted themselves ... ...property values Asbury Park has become what it is from a real estate standpoint through the efforts of its many live business men who were not afraid to do and dare There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is developing We would like to see the time when Asbury Park would embrace all of the territory north of Deal Lake including Interlaken West Al lenhurst Loch Arbour Allenhurst and Deal to the Long Branch City line This territory would be ample for a more closely developed community ideal and many of our local problems would be solved There would be no greater boon to real estate values than such a coalition GEORGE W PITTENGER from The Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce guide, 1915. If you like AP history, READ IT and go from there. some things never change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Real Estate
yea, thought of you when I read that piece of it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is. That is true! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: ...It is always wise to buy real estate especially so if you want a home First select town and if it fills the requirements of ideals of what a home town should be then buy a home in that locality We believe we have all the qualities that make for home town The time to purchase is right Disturbed conditions due to European cataclysm should not deter one from purchasing now Property purchased now will ready for the upward turn when have again righted themselves ... ...property values Asbury Park has become what it is from a real estate standpoint through the efforts of its many live business men who were not afraid to do and dare There is probably not another town in Monmouth County where are found more optimists than right here in our City and it is this optimism that has made the City what it is developing We would like to see the time when Asbury Park would embrace all of the territory north of Deal Lake including Interlaken West Al lenhurst Loch Arbour Allenhurst and Deal to the Long Branch City line This territory would be ample for a more closely developed community ideal and many of our local problems would be solved There would be no greater boon to real estate values than such a coalition GEORGE W PITTENGER from The Asbury Park Chamber of Commerce guide, 1915. If you like AP history, READ IT and go from there. some things never change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Committee Meeting
I've notified Preservation NJ about the recent developments, and today they updated their listing for the Stone Pony (can be found on their website) and are monitoring the situation regarding the news of talk of possible relocation. Every little bit helps, especially when it comes to spreading the word. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Your issues are addressed in my other replies. What we are talking about is the Stone Pony outdoor stage. While this group may be discussing the outdoor stage ... That is NOT what is being referred to in the Recommendations document or the Redevelopment Plan. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
