[AsburyPark] Huge Moon Tonight
Biggest of the year. At sunset look east and watch it rise. It is at its closest to earth right now. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Hot Gay Beach
I don't pick the ads that go on my website. Google puts them up there. So I went on my website today, and I am advertising the Hot Gay Beach in Asbury Park. I'm not asking because I intend upon going, but I wasn't aware Asbury Park has a Hot Gay Beach. Is there one? Should there be one? I did a column a few years back saying Gays should not be segregated nor segregate themselves on a beach. I received a good deal of support from the Gay Community in AP. Wondering about your feelings on the ad and the idea. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hot Gay Beach
The ad is from a website called Philly to Asbury run by to guys from Conover Agency to sell Real Estate. Congrats to them. It's a good ad seeking a certain buyer. Pretty smart. As for whether there is a Gay Beach - let's call it sales puffery. I hope they do well with the ad. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I don't pick the ads that go on my website. Google puts them up there. So I went on my website today, and I am advertising the Hot Gay Beach in Asbury Park. Then why did they block the Road Trip party on 5th ave beach from the general public view Like it's ok to have this gay event on the beach - but we might offend people - alot of people. Or make those that are wondering what the heck is going on stand on benches to peak over the blue wall... menanwhile you can wind up on a nude beach in sandy hook and not pay attention to warning signs... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Oak's Ad
Oak on my website, one of the Google Ads that was generated was a click to your website, AsburyBoardwalk.com. How much do you pay for that? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Oak's Ad
Didn't know the rates were private. Remember I have two sites. Yours probably should on the Jersey Shore Blog, so it is OK to be there. That one is growing. Blog Rank in New Jersey has been in the top ten on some days. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oak on my website, one of the Google Ads that was generated was a click to your website, AsburyBoardwalk.com. How much do you pay for that? Now if I tell you that, it violates Google's Terms and Conditions. Either that, you might go clicking away and blow my daily budget. I spent 9 hours that past two days (that's why I'm back in the office) going over ad spending, impressions, income etc, placement reports... to see what works, what doesn't and how it may be improved. Actually, the amount can vary based on whatever Google's up to. But I do have a cap on the per click and a cap on the daily spend. More or less, the rest is up to Google and when, how often etc. Nice when it shows, someone sees it, DOESN'T click on it, but remembers they saw it then comes directly to the site. A quick look at your site and I DON'T want my ad appearing there and you shouldn't either - not really related to the content. My guess it's picking up on the words Asbury Park.. If you look at your adsense reports (or have whomever is it doing it for you) show you some details. Give me a call on my cell. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: I never said alone Tommy Fox. I know women abuse power. I am one and have spent lots of time around them. I don't wish to discuss abortion with you here. thats not why people come here. They don't come here to discuss male abuse of power either but you brought it up. And yes you said mostly men abuse power over others, which is completely belied by the 45 million dead children. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not the Center of TCN???)
Replying to your own posts Mario? Your TCN envy is palpable. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: In a message dated 1/2/2009 10:25:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marioa...@... writes: Jan. 1 issue of triCityNews is mainly all about the WEB coverage of the NYT print and WEB article Newspaper Shuns Web: Half the cover page; every word of the publisher's message, p. 6 and spilling over to cover every inch of space on pp. 46--47, including mail, and trailing off finally on page 56. Hyper-Boosterish, to modify Carr's word. More coverage than any other issue in the paper, including the upcoming city council elections. DJ to the NYT: We want people to think of Asbury Park as the center of the universe. Not a word this week about any of these Asbury Park stories, all covered in the Coaster this week: AP artist Sternesky whose work will be displayed in Eatontown, p. 2 AP train station purchased by Visiting Nurses, p. 7 AP's Artscap winners of Imagine Asbury Park street banner contest announced, p. 17 AP BOE hosting meeting regarding a new uperintendent, p. 19 AP Chamber of Commerce's record membership and new full-time director, p. 18 AP's Golden Age of R 'n' B event, p. 27 AP's First Satrurday with Frosty the Snowman, p. 5 AP's Chief Kinmon reports decrease in violent crime, p. 1 AP's Interfaith Neighbors is in need of additional funding. AP's firefighters' Christmas Dinner, p. 1 **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not the Center of TCN???)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Replying to your own posts Mario? Your TCN envy is palpable. Thanks Mario for being specific in your illustration. We all wish DJ and TCN luck, but it ain't a newspaper and the NYT story was misleading. I have thought often about the relationship between the web and print and whether publishers should make the print available on the web for free. Some do and some don't. I pay for some and not (refuse) for others. But I suspect that print may be in the same position of buggy whip manufacturers. All of this could have been the substance of the NYT story rather than the misleading success story of our local Pennysaver. The success of the newspaper and the nationwide attention that is getting speaks for itself. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not the Center of TCN???)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: Sciannameo AND air AND zeckendorf and DO NOT omit results. You will see the story in other languages. The mere repetition of that story by others does not add one iota of truth to the original story. Difference being they aren't just repeating the story - they are debating, and even extending it with all the interview requests for Dan. I've received a few emails from people asking me why those on this board have such a hostility toward TCN and seem determined to rain on a very sunny day for the paper. Good neighbors usually revel in one another's success. Another theme was that the detractors on this board seem to be outside of what other folks around the triCity region are saying about the story. That of course came as no surprise. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: Can you provide any links to those sites which agree with your cutting edge theory? Oxymoronic. If there were wide understanding of it, it would no longer be cutting edge. It's my theory, the plog, which is exactly why you don't like it. That it just got coverage in the NYT and the Columbia School of Journalism no doubt burns you up. It flies in the face of your stalkerish attempts to minimize over ther years. You can be certain if any other AP buiness got such broad attention, the TCN and myself would promote it endlessly (boosteish). Love thy neighbor. Your jelously has kicked of this latest (in a long line) of poor analyzing and complaining by you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TCN: Asbury Park as the Center of the Universe. (Not ...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: our discussing this tempest in a web teapot. Like an addict, you can't control it. You make a post denying the minimizing and the jealously, but in the last line you were compelled to reveal it anyway. I'll let you off the hook. You can have the last word. I know it's important to you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: Blastocytes are not children. Human. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Ads...papers etc...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: I had(ve) an ad on the Internet. Basically cost me nothing. That right there is DJ's point, in case others on this board missed it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: humans (mostly men) abuse their power over others Abortion Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: one of the saddest stories of abortion i know involved a woman who got pregnant and her boyfriend bullied her into aborting. Are you suggesting that one story should be what we judge, and not the 45 million discretionary killings? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: you say tomato... I say.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleo...@... wrote: i was thinking you were countering my thought that men are usually the abusers of power, not talking about abortion in general. its an ugly thing for sure, but we won't solve the problem of unwanted pregnancies until women are more empowered in their sexuality. we need real sex education for teens, not abstinence oaths. Abuse of power was precisely the point so lets not change the topic to abortion in general. 45 million killings of innocents. Thats more than Hitler Stalin and Mao combined. So yes, I counter your assertion that men alone abuse power over others when they have it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fess up..Which One of You Was It ;-)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: Maybe it's the same person who's been forwarding to other local writers my TCN at NYT posts with blogger critics' comments taken out of context and quotation marks removed, attributing those remarks to me. What are you talking about here? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fess up..Which One of You Was It ;-)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw light...@... wrote: The offensive thing is having people who have never seen TCN treat it in the same manner as the NY Times or Washington Post. It is nothing like a real paper. It's not even like a real city weekly. It is what it is and it is successful at it. Just don't call it a newspaper... Not only is triCityNews a newspaper, it's an advanced form of one. Cutting edge. If you look around, it represents where the rest of news delivery is heading in print, the airwaves and the radio waves. Finally the news industry is catching up to our legal system for truth-finding - letting stakeholders in the news stories or their advocates present their resepective sides, with the public deciding what is truth rather than having a Dan Rather tell you what truth to believe. Read my column. It's where news delevery has been going and it is accelerating toward that. About time. triCity is leading the way. Happy New Year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] My Homage To Dan J
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/12/30/deseno_tricitynews/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: My Homage To Dan J
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: Easier, when there's no rebuttal, huh? I don't know what that means. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fess up..Which One of You Was It ;-)
Someone left this post over at Fox: Comment by TillieFromAP December 30th, 2008 at 7:16 pm That Tri City News doesn't have news in it, just provincial blather and ads. You really can't compare that to a city daily. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Dan J on WCBS
He has others lined up. NPR is calling. Hysterical. Take a listen: http://podcast.wcbs880.com/wcbs/1495670.mp3 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - All Paper, No News
Thanks for the heads-up on the trademark application for the word Plog. I invented it and printed it years ago and have been using it ever since. I'm going to intervene in the application. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: All Paper, No News 23 Dec 2008 From http://tinyurl.com/7b6rol People who are into journalism and newspapers and the web and the death of print have been all a-twitter over the NY Times story today about the triCityNews, a little alt-weekly in Monmouth County, New Jersey. I spent a good bit of time in Monmouth County years ago, when I was a consultant and had a client there, but unfortunately my tenure in the area predates the triCityNews' era of journalistic service to the community. So I was interested to see what was so notable about this little paper. The Times bemusedly profiles the little alt because, it claims, the triCity shuns the web. They quote Dan Jacobson, owner and publisher of the paper, at some length in the piece. I've concatenated all of Jacobson's quotes in the article together here. [...] In all of his quotes about the web and his business model and other newspapers and his big, beautiful full-page ads, Dan Jacobson never once mentions serving his community, researching a story, publishing information of any utility or value to his audience, or actually committing any act of journalism. That's not to say Jacobson doesn't value journalism. It's just that it's absolutely clear that his priority is his advertisers. Thus, I submit that the triCityNews, while certainly a paper, is likely not a newspaper. I would ask for clarification or rebuttal, or seek evidence to dispute this conclusion by looking in the paper itself, but that's not possible for those of us not physically located in its distribution area. I would invite Mr. Jacobson to respond in person here to this assertion, but I don't want him to compromise his apparent belief that the audience he serves doesn't not seek clarification of information through the web. I do, however, invite David Carr to explain his belief that this constitutes a ray of light in [his] e-mail [sic] inbox. I won't hold him accountable for the headline on the story; we all know to blame the editors for that. But even a lighthearted story should have at least its fundamental assertions somewhat resemble the truth. And, as a minor side note to Mr. Jacobson, whom I suspect may read the response on the web despite his contempt for our medium: The word plog is currently the subject of a trademark application by Amazon.com. They are an online concern that has apparently found a way to make money merchandising products online, even when they aren't making use of big, beautiful full- page ads. Just as someone will succeed in doing in Asbury Park, someday soon. **One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN Coverage Like the Dew
Where's the link to the data that other small papers are doing fine? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote: From Recovering Journalist: Jumping to the Wrong Conclusion (a professional POV) a Comment following it (Somewhat testy - lol): http://tinyurl.com/77zc3h New York Times media columnist David Carr, who is staking out a position as a staunch defender of the primacy of the traditional newspaper, has come up with a doozy: a small weekly community newspaper in New Jersey that claims to be thriving. In fact, Carr says, The TriCityNews of Monmouth County is prospering precisely because it aggressively ignores the Web. Well, not precisely. In fact, probably not much at all. The TriCityNews' owner and publisher, Dan Jacobson, is proud of his print-only stance, Carr reports. Why would I put anything on the Web? Carr quotes Jacobson as saying. I don't understand how putting content on the Web would do anything but help destroy our paper. Carr and Jacobson have jumped to the wrong conclusion about what makes the TriCityNews a success. Indeed, many small community papers, with and without Web sites, are doing just fine, and will continue to do so even as larger newspapers founder. That has nothing to do with print, or the Web. It has everything to do with the fact that these little papers cover their communities closelyâand have little or no competition in doing so. Web or not, their readers have almost no place else to go. The well-publicized storm that's roiling the newspaper business isn't really affecting many of these smaller players. When we talk about newspapers in trouble these days, we're primarily talking about metro dailies, which are being pummeled on all sides by competition from national news sites, bloggers, craigslist, hyperlocal sites, Yelp, and others. There are generally myriad other ways to get most of what's in most dailies. Want international news? It's everywhere. National news? Ditto. Sports? Ditto, plus ESPN. Entertainment news? Same thing. The one franchise the big metros can still defend, usually, is local newsâ and even there, they're probably spread too thin. In fact, they're spread so thin that they're often undercut by small community papers like ... the TriCityNews, which covers news and arts in the area around Asbury Park like the dew, as the saying used to go. In fact, the TriCityNews has staked out an even narrower niche, as an alternative community weekly with an edge. (Its almost non- existent Web site shows a copy of the paper sitting atop a toilet.) So it's a little offbeat, and doubtless a nice alternative to Gannett's Asbury Park Press, its nearest daily competitor. And the Asbury Park Press is no slouch at local coverage itself. That unique local angle is what makes the TriCityNews a success, whether or not it has a Web site. (Ironically, because its alternative audience probably skews young, it may actually be limiting itself by not reaching that audience online.) Indeed, it's tiny (10,000 circulation), keeps its editorial costs low, offers affordable advertising and has annual revenue that's probably a rounding error for a paper like the Asbury Park Press. Comparing its situation to the problems of big dailies is really apples and oranges. Long after metro dailies wither away, small community and alternative papers like the TriCityNews are likely to continue in print (and on the Web), because they're providing unique, focused content to their narrowly defined audiences (and advertisers). If there was a way to get the same stuff from an online (or print) competitor, these papers would face a lot of the same structural pressures as their larger cousins. And they're still feeling the same pinch from a lousy advertising economy, nonetheless. But their success really doesn't have anything to do with whether they're distributed in pixels or dead trees. It's the nature of their content that makes the difference. So contrary to what Carr and Jacobson believe, the secret to the TriCityNews' success probably isn't that it fiercely eschews the Web. It's that it's fiercely local. Comments: Not so fast, gentleman. To call Tri-City a community paper is an error and doesn't do justice to community papers like the 2 River Times and The Hub which truly cover the community. Mr. Jacobsons version of community coverage is to borrow stories from these papers, slam the local daily paper and other weeklies, and launch personal attacks on it s reviewer when there is a negative article about one of his advertisers. He doesn't cover meetings, thereby relying on second hand accounts of what went on in the tri-city towns and tends to beat the same old dead horse topics which are the only ones that he
[AsburyPark] Re: Another POV: TCN - All Paper, No News
That could be fun to watch: Tommy v. Amazon -- like David v. Goliath. ;-) BTW: Is that invention like the claim where you begin an article with a quote, accusing a Coaster columnist of stealing the device? ;-) The two wouldn't really be the same. Amazon is apparantly trying to make the word their own and be able to enforce it via trademark. On the issue of Pivinski, I don't think there is a trademark violation (there is another lawyer on this board who knows better than me). I don't think I could stop folks from quoting other folks. It also has moved beyond accusation just from me. Both Pivinski and his Editor freely admit he stole the style from me directly. I made clear I wouldn't have cared if he were in another market, but to steal it in the same market was really bad form. What Pivinski did may or may not be actionable (I'm not looking into it) but it does highlight his lack of courtesy, lack of creativity, lack of style and lack of integrity. So too for Mike Booth who won't edit him from doing it. Have you seen Pivinski's last column? He cut and pasted so many sources he ended up repeating the same information over and over. He should really cite the source if he is going to use the content of others. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TriCityNews featured by the NYT for ignoring the Web
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: Most people would not describe the NYTimes as a failing paper. Ahem... Times Co. to borrow against building By Richard Pérez-Peña Published: December 8, 2008 The New York Times Company plans to borrow up to $225 million against its mid-Manhattan headquarters building, to ease a potential cash flow squeeze as the company grapples with tighter credit and shrinking profits. The company has retained Cushman Wakefield, the real estate firm, to act as its agent to secure financing, either in the form of a mortgage or a sale-leaseback arrangement, said James Follo, the Times Company's chief financial officer. The Times Company owns 58 percent of the 52-story, 1.5 million- square-foot tower on Eighth Avenue, which was designed by the architect Renzo Piano, and completed last year. The developer Forest City Ratner owns the rest of the building. The Times Company's portion of the building is not currently mortgaged, and some investors have complained that the company has too much of its capital tied up in that real estate. The company has two revolving lines of credit, each with a ceiling of $400 million, roughly the amount outstanding on the two combined. One of those lines is set to expire in May, and finding a replacement would be difficult given the economic climate and the company's worsening finances. Analysts have said for months that selling or borrowing against assets would be the company's best option for averting a cash flow problem next year. Standard Poor's recently lowered its credit rating on the Times Company below investment grade, and Moody's Investors Service has said it was considering a similar move. Times Company stock, which has lost more than half its value this year, closed on Friday at $7.64, down 30 cents. More Articles in Business » A version of this article appeared in print on December 8, 2008, on page B2 of the New York edition. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TriCityNews featured by the NYT for ignoring the Web
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: It is the one U.S. daily Murdoch currently owns. Ahem. Murdoch also owns the Wall Street Journal. Double Ahem. Facts matter. Not sure where you are going anyway. The point of the Times article is that other print is failing while TCN thrives. How does pointing out another paper that is not doing well (if you are right) detract from the point? Doesn't that support the point? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TriCityNews featured by the NYT for ignoring the Web
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote: except for the rants of DJ (who I like) that he is the font of every good idea that ever came about in this town. I think you will enjoy the 6th paragraph of my friend's blog post: http://tinyurl.com/7zugk5 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: TriCityNews featured by the NYT for ignoring the Web
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorej...@... wrote: Facts DO matter: The NYTimes is a globally respected daily newspaper, including a massive Sunday edition and dozens of stand- alone pull-out magazines and The TCN is a free weekly supermarket handout. And you're ridiculously comparing the two. Hysterical! You are right John I shouldn't compare them. TCN is way better. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Community Food Bank Needs Food
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[AsburyPark] Asbury Library -Springsteen Flap
This guy has some strong opinions about AP and the Library. Werner what do you think? http://tinyurl.com/565qdo Here is his post cut and pasted: Friday, December 12, 2008 Bruce Springsteen Special Collection Today I was surprised, then alarmed, to discover that Asbury Park Public Library holds an archival collection of over 10,000 Bruce Springsteen related items, mostly printed materials, all of it donated. I learned from a newspaper article that the Friends of the Bruce Springsteen Special Collection had to return 1000 items they had removed for microfilming, for which they had received a grant. The FBSSC (founded by Backstreet Magazine editors) was instrumental in establishing the collection, claimed they owned this particular material. Apparently, they do not. But they posted this on the FBSSC website: Over many recent months, The Friends of the Bruce Springsteen Special Collection have grown increasingly concerned over conditions at the Asbury Park Public Library, where the Collection is currently housed. We've attempted to resolve these concerns, and while doing so, felt it was in the best interests of the Collection for us to retain possession of over a thousand documents taken from the Library for microfilming, rather than return them to what may be an unsuitable environment I'm not really interested in Bruce Springsteen archival material, but historical preservation does concern me. What I don't understand is why any serious collector thought, in 2001, that Asbury Park Public Library was a suitable repository for a Bruce Springsteen Special Collection. APPL is an understaffed, underfunded municipal library in a city that struggles to provide basic library services to its own residents. The library is not even involved in any major way in preserving the broader history of Asbury Park. Independent historical societies private investment do most of that work. Asbury Park has no museum dedicated to its history. The elected government of Asbury Park has a shameful record of preserving evidence of the city's true glory days from the late 19th Century through the 1920's, can take small credit for any economic resurgence. You have to go to Ocean Grove to get a sense of what Asbury looked like 50 or 100 years ago. I'm not blaming Asbury Park Public Library, but that city institution its trustees are stuck with a job suited to the library at Monmouth University or even Brookdale Community College. APPL can record the fact of the archived material into their computer catalogue system, but they are not equipped to store, manage preserve a growing archive collection, or digitally scan the material, or deal with donations from around the world, or adequately service people wishing to access the material, in person off site, for purposes of research. Mere sentiment or civic pride about Bruce Springsteen Asbury Park are unacceptable rationales. The collection has little real monetary value unless the library broke it up sold it off, provided there were buyers. It is a burden to the library. The Bruce Springsteen Special Collection needs a better permanent home. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Don't Mess With Surfing Sophie
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[AsburyPark] Re: Don't Mess With Surfing Sophie (fixed link)
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[AsburyPark] Re: Don't Mess With Surfing Sophie (fixed link)
It has always been my understanding that you are free to walk the shore line below the high median water mark and no one can stop you. The trick is to find the free entrance point. Closest was always Deal. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/5o5m3k that's a great story that's been going on for years. I call it one of the great real estate deals with Kssin paying around $800k - plus he fixed what was a falling down beach club. Great place to go crash a party and eat kosher food A couple things that still don't seem clear from this ruling... 1) How does it effect municipal beaches from requiring beach badges within the highwater mark? Am I allowed to walk from a free access point (say from 8th ave) head south and walk to the belmar inlet and sit down along the way WITHOUT having to have a beach badge in OG, Bradley, Avon...? I say yes. 2) How about taking that walk north through long branch - the state park, M. Beach, The private beaches (and stairs over the taxpayer paid seawall) and sit in front of the private beach clubs. Don't forget a similiar case happened in Deal with a father and kid... Wasn't that long ago tht I ripped down snow fences along deal esplande/darlington with no tresspassing signs or were forced by deal police to sit within the street lines as if they extended out to the ocean. A couple calls to the DEP took care of that. HIGH TIDE line - mean high tide is public property. Sit your ass down and relax. When the tide comes in and washes away your house or club, don't come crying to me So TD - how about the mean high tide line, wet sand and taking that free walk along the beach without being harrassed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] La Luna!
Look up tonight. Moon will appear bigger and brighter than you've seen it in 15 years, and it won't do this again for 7 or 8 more. I wouldn't use the telescope Jack or you'll burn your eye. Binoculars will probably work better. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tommy is on now
Hey guys thanks so much for watching that means alot to me. Jack's right I felt a little cat has his tongue for a while. I was trying to walk the line between contributing and not trying to look too eager or like a hog since I was the newbie. Seems the show is based on breaking news - Heather would go there then come back to us. She sort of picks someone to go to first and then you have to pick a spot to jump in. When I did start getting into it with Cohen, Heather said let's move to another topic. I wasn't sure if that was a signal that she didn't want me going all Asbury Park Yahoo Group Crazy Argument or if she really needed to go to another topic. Still learning. Dan I wish you had texted me some lines. My wife texted me in the middle and said Sit up, stop touching your face and get rid of the water bottle. Must have done OK though because they booked me again for Monday at 9:00 am. Heather asked me if I would come back next week to do another spot on her show. I drove in. After the show it took me 45 minutes of walking around to remember where I parked. Lots of tall buildings in NYC and every street looks the same to me. I ended up at the wrong parking lot. That guy had mercy on me and gave me directions to my lot. Destroyed my shoes in the rain with the extra walking. I'm a beach boy. Don't get that big city life. Unless I know where the Ocean is I'm lost. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
Not on the TV but their streaming Internet Show called the Strategy Room. When you go to their website www.FoxNews.com I think you have to download a viewer first. Strategy Room runs all day with different hosts in 2 hour segments. I'll be on at 10:30 with host Heather Nauert and 3 other guests (one a Democrat Strategist) to talk about the politics of the day. Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
Thanks Jack. Someone just informed my you don't have to download the viewer you can watch it in your browser. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or not, I actually do wish you good luck. Just make sure you don't sweat too much because that can look bad on camera --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Not on the TV but their streaming Internet Show called the Strategy Room. When you go to their website www.FoxNews.com I think you have to download a viewer first. Strategy Room runs all day with different hosts in 2 hour segments. I'll be on at 10:30 with host Heather Nauert and 3 other guests (one a Democrat Strategist) to talk about the politics of the day. Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
I'm trying to think of a way to work Asbury Park into the conversation. At least I can pull a Carol Burnett and tug my ear as a way of saying hello to you guys. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. we love you. Once the $$$ come in and you replace Oprah you owe us a few drinks. Time to update wikipedia with notable figures from asbury. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
I have a Black Tee with Tillie's picture on it that reads Welcome To Asbury Park. We killed Tillie - You're next. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wear a Tillie pin. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm trying to think of a way to work Asbury Park into the conversation. At least I can pull a Carol Burnett and tug my ear as a way of saying hello to you guys. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. we love you. Once the $$$ come in and you replace Oprah you owe us a few drinks. Time to update wikipedia with notable figures from asbury. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
Easy Apostle. I've always wished him nothing but luck in his personal life and business life. In his political life we are counter opposites. Get over it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither a retraction, nor any wishes for luck ever made to JK for _http://tinyurl.com/6oc5kc_ (http://tinyurl.com/6oc5kc) In a message dated 12/10/2008 3:39:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Love my stuff or hate it I hope you wish me luck. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
Fair enough. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2008 4:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Easy Apostle. In his political life we are counter opposites. Get over it. === This apostate is just taking you to task. On political issues. ;-) In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:32:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just taking you all to task. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
You were on TV while I'm going on an Internet show. I'm picturing two drastically different production budgets :-) They just told me where to be. Can I get a copy of your book from Barnes Nobel and will you sign it for me? Also, anyone know how to get to 6th Ave and West 48th street by mass transit? I haven't a clue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they sending you a limo? When I was on FOX Business TV they sent a limo for me. The limo driver eyed the various Peace symbols adorning my home and garden... and casually mentioned I was not the typical FOX guest. I explained I was invited to discuss the nation's foreclosure problem and showed him a copy of my book, Fight Foreclosure! How to cope with a mortgage you can't pay, Negotiate with your bank, and Save your home! We talked a bit, and as soon as we got onto the turnpike, he reached into his glove box and pulled out an envelope, and then handed it to me. Inside was a foreclosure summons. I gave him the copy my book. I had a three minute segment which seemed like 30 seconds. Good Luck. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I've only had a camera pointed at me one other time and I appled up. It can core a apple. Good luck Ralph. Yup, it was that bad. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I'll Be On Fox Tomorrow
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NJ Transit to NY Penn (or the bus to PA). If you go to NY penn take the 1 to 50th st and walk east (Bwy to 6 Ave) and south. Or walk. Thanks bro. I'll try not to look up at all the tall buildings while I walk. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Racing to Meet Affordable Housing Deadline
Looks like segregation is bothering someone else to. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a court-appointed master in dozens of exclusionary-zoning lawsuits, he knows some towns consider affordable housing a bitter pill. Yet he understands that their day of reckoning will come In the past, many suburbs were able to use a loophole that allowed them to transfer part of their share, along with some money, to willing cities. In July, the State Legislature abolished that mechanism. from Housing - New Jersey Towns Race to Meet Affordable Housing Deadline - NYTimes.comhttp://tinyurl.com/5c76pw The December 31 deadline is being challenged, but, great news to me, not the loophole abolishment. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Park 14 Winston-Salem Yet to Score
Update: Blue Bishops advance at Pop Warner Super Bowl, 14-0 SARAH WEBSTER STAFF WRITER December 7, 2008 LAKE BUENA VISTA, FLA The Asbury Park Blue Bishops Junior Midget team Sunday advanced to the second round of the Pop Warner Super Bowl, beating Winston-Salem, N.C., 14-0, in an opening-round game at the Disney Wide World of Sports complex here. The Blue Bishops now move to the second round Wednesday when they will meet the Santa Ana (Calif.) White Monarchs, a 26-0 first-round winner over the Holy Cross (Tex.) Knights. All the Asbury Park scoring came in the first half as two key punt returns by Myles Martin set up the two Blue Bishop scores that proved to be the difference. The Blue Bishops took an 8-0 lead with 6:38 left in the second quarter when Martin returned a punt 60 yards for a touchdown. Asbury Park converted a two-point kick to take an 8-0 lead. In Pop Warner, a successful PAT kick counts for two points while a run counts 1 extra point. Later in the second quarter, Asbury Park added another score, taking a 14-0 lead at half time. Tyrice Beverette ran 10 yards for the touchdown. The extra-point kick was no good. The touchdown was set up when Martin took another punt return 55 yards to the Winston- Salem 20-yard line. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firing Up for an Outrage of the Week
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You forgot the April 2005 issue where I was in his headline and tarred and feathered as a carpetbagger. Not only had you spoke at council meetings about AP, but you wrote in the paper and were giving radio interviews, all about that years Asbury Park election. That certainly made a public response to your political claims expected. You also personalized a great deal about people in what you were saying. That prompted me to personalize about you, which I not only regretted, but emailed you twice to apologize for that protion of it. I don't know if you apologized to the folks you personalized about. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you press a button called publish, it's published. Why did you think you could keep your pathetic droolings hidden from comment here, just because you post it elsewhere, to shield us all from what you knew were inflammatory slander and lies? Seems someone doesn't really get how the InterWebs and their Tubes work. John I need your help here because you are telling me two different things. You objected when I linked my columns here. So, I respected that you didn't want them here, and I stopped. Now you are telling me that not posting them here is an attempt to keep them hidden, so I should put them here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Just address the issue. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please stop your pathetic Judge Judy level courtroom bs. . On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:38 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: When you press a button called publish, it's published. Why did you think you could keep your pathetic droolings hidden from comment here, just because you post it elsewhere, to shield us all from what you knew were inflammatory slander and lies? Seems someone doesn't really get how the InterWebs and their Tubes work. John I need your help here because you are telling me two different things. You objected when I linked my columns here. So, I respected that you didn't want them here, and I stopped. Now you are telling me that not posting them here is an attempt to keep them hidden, so I should put them here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Why Not AP? Any Thoughts?
There is a bill running through both houses in Trenton. It would give tax credits to businesses that give scholorships to kids in Urban Enterprise Zones. Great idea! Then I looked at the bill. OK for Camden, Elizabeth, Jersey City, Lakewood, Newark, Orange, Paterson, and Trenton. Why not AP? AP is an UEZ. Certainly has kids that could use scholarships. I'm perplexed. Here's the bill: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A3000/2897_I1.HTM I'll call your representatives to see what I can find out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] AP playing for Championship
Not that any of you white liberals always blabbering about how much you love Asbury Park because of the diversity will actually go, but here is the game info anyway: AT RUTGERS STADIUM ASBURY PARK (10-1) vs. METUCHEN (8-3) Saturday, 10 a.m. DIRECTIONS TO THE GAME: Route 18 North into New Brunswick and over the Lynch Memorial Bridge. Proceed on Route 18 to the Campus Road exit ramp on the right. Follow Campus Road and make first onto Sutphen Road. Rutgers Stadium will be on the left. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Just taking you all to task. Elected officials aside, my sons and I were the only white family at last year's championship game and we don't even live in Asbury. I posted here about the Asbury/Howell Pop Warner game last month which was labelled nationally as the game of the week. I was happy for Asbury Park because they had a ton of people show up. But as I looked across the field I noticed not one white person showed up to support the kids. So if anyone laments that the surrounding suburbs for some reason don't know that Asbury Park is a place of such wonderful diversity, blame the white liberals that live there. The black people of Asbury certainly showed up for the kids. Merry Christmas. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:52:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not that any of you white liberals always blabbering about how much you love Asbury Park = A model of Christian charity, joy, kindness, self-restraint and peace-keeping. Keeping Christ in Christmas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Mario drive down DeWitt Avenue Saturday night and take note of the color of the faces. Then go Downtown and take note of the color of the faces. Asbury Park may have diversity but it sure as hell doesn't have integration. But you just tell yourself whatever you need to, so that you feel better about yourself. You libs are good at that. Segregation is the issue that's firing me up lately. Asbury Park is segregated worse than I've ever seen it. Monmouth County has segregationist policies and it shows. New Jersey may as well be in the antebellum south it's so segregated. So fuck off, latte sipping liberal in denial who dares question my moral authority. Go pretend all is well as you drive past Asbury's state sponsored segregated high school that you couldn't care less about. Go raise money to save Trees whales and polar bears like a 21st Century liberal should. I'll be at the game. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 2:32:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just taking you all to taskI looked across the field I noticed not one white person showed up to support the kids. So if anyone laments that the surrounding suburbs for some reason don't know that Asbury Park is a place of such wonderful diversity, blame the white liberals that live there. = A model of logic and a reasonable conclusion. Not. Linking attendance at a game to an indictment of anyone's commitment to diversity is absurd. Those of us who live in Asbury Park don't need to prove anything. Especially about diversity: We live it. And after your smear campaign against one of our councilmen, lampooning his stance on social justice, you don't have the moral authority to take any of us to task. Take yourself to task; retract the malicious overstatements in your blog. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
You're just making an excuse not to go support the Black kids tomorrow, Jack. You think about them while you suck on your drink at Market in the Middle tomorrow night. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say. What an ignorant way to start a post any of you white liberals... Insult people and make yourself look like an ass, simultaneously. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:52:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: Not that any of you white liberals always blabbering about how much you love Asbury Park = A model of Christian charity, joy, kindness, self-restraint and peace-keeping. Keeping Christ in Christmas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
The difference is Oak that I don't deny the conditions where I live, like the white liberals in Asbury who live as separately from Black people as anyone else while falsly claiming diversity. And, I'll be at the game and they won't. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: meanwhile you have a nice yard in un-african-american Howell. Underserved in apartments given the size of the community. When my daughter was a pop-Warner cheerleader, we went to the high school to watch ocean play AP... I bought more food from the kids using a little bbq - cause I felt I had to. The girls only had t-shirts for uniforms... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
Oak the point continues to be that the middle class african americans won't lie about their neighborhood diversity or lack thereof. Only liberal white guys from Asbury Park do that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The difference is Oak that I don't deny the conditions where I live, like the white liberals in Asbury who live as separately from Black people as anyone else while falsly claiming diversity. And I grew up in Colonial Terrace a part of Wanamassa. My next door neighbor - Tom Hamilton, an african american who had a business in AP and lived next to us as did the Mcclean's another african american family holding down the corner... Do wealthier african american families also have a choice and choose not to live in an predominantly african american neighborhood? Are there not african american doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers - how many live in AP and where in AP?? Today is not the same as yesterday like Sunset Ave Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's look on the bright side, he'll never be able to use his personalizing schtick again Wasn't working anyway you and Maryo were still doing it anyway. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those neighbors include Vietnamese, Belizeans, blacks, whites (at least one of which is Italian), straight couples, single twenty-somethings, gay men, lesbians, and clergy. Fantastic if the demarcation for Asbury Park was around your house. How integrated is the Southwest quadrant? Make fun of Howell all you want but I don't see any neighborhoods reserved for people of one color. As long as you ignore SW AP it doesn't really exist for you, does it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:54:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: == The smear on JK was all personalizing. Dan J and Ed Johnson had enough class to avoid any bile in their comments about JK's resignation. Call it personalizing if you want. I see it as objectifying the abject content of your posts. Except I didn't post it here. Jack did. You commented on it. I knew no one here would appreciate so I was respectful and left it alone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AP playing for Championship
If you knew no one here would appreciate it, why bring it here? Just being argumentative? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How classy, blame the messenger for your own vile opinions. Nice, it just keeps getting better today... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:54:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@ writes: == The smear on JK was all personalizing. Dan J and Ed Johnson had enough class to avoid any bile in their comments about JK's resignation. Call it personalizing if you want. I see it as objectifying the abject content of your posts. Except I didn't post it here. Jack did. You commented on it. I knew no one here would appreciate so I was respectful and left it alone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firing Up for an Outrage of the Week
Oh thanks for reminding me... Has Frank Pallone brought that money he promised to the West Side Community Center 2 Martin Luther King Birthday's ago? Did he ever return your email about that Asbury quote? No on both counts. Oh I was so wrong to hold him accountable for broken promises to Asbury Park. However will I live with myself that I exposed the lies of Frank Pallone? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/2008 4:05:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Segregation is the issue that's firing me up lately. Just lately? Firing up is pointless unless you can shed some light and offer plausible solutions. When you had the bully pulpit of a local column, did you shed any light? In the years you wrote for triCityNews, I remember reading (after popping a Zantac) each week lots of your firing up: liberals against candy canes and commencement speakers; challenging the patriotism of disabled veteran Max Cleland; red-baiting; Kwanzaa; spitting at anyone who said happy holidays; Nostalgia Nazis; inflammatory comments implying assassination threats; rantings against the Press and Pallone; that sophomoric term dummycrats; and a host of other wedge issues. And in that short-lived Coaster column: something about NOW and feminists; and something about Obama, because he's black Mostly, nothing about Asbury Park's real problems nor cool-headed suggestions to solve them: Fire and heat, no light. I'll admit I don't know how to solve the de facto segregation remaining in parts of this city now. But I remember being frustrated and pissed off years ago as I watched the exploiters move in to fill the vacuum left by white flight: absentee and slum landlords; poorly staffed and mismanaged urine-smelling homes for those dumped here by the state or county; and corrupt officials. Were you fired up then? Fortunately, we've turned the corner on those problems: most of the exploiters were driven out and replaced by more earnest types moving in. But I don't know if any of those new residents came from Howell. Chill. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Accuracy or Fiction ?
The picture was taken in California. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at this: http://www.wesleygroveasbury.com/ Notice an obvious error? Drink at the meet and greet to the first correct answer. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Accuracy or Fiction ?
I was certain you wouldn't understand the reference. Or perhaps you do and don't want to buy me a drink since I was first. Don't worry about it you can buy the next guy a drink. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The picture was taken in California. == Brap - Wrong ! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Accuracy or Fiction ?
You mean south. California. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the picture is backwards. showing a crowded beach in front of saltwater cafe, but no conv hall/paramount going north In a message dated 12/4/2008 7:21:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at this: _http://www.wesleygrhttp://wwwhttp_ (http://www.wesleygroveasbury.com/) Notice an obvious error? Drink at the meet and greet to the first correct answer. Werner **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Gannett Co. Inc. has eliminated 206 positions
Yet triCityNews has just passed the 70 page mark. Better business model - better journalism model. The future of journalism is journalists telling you upfront what their political affiliations are. It's just more trustworthy. The fastest growing news delivery format in America is partisan blogs. The old format of make-believe objectivity is dying. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gannett eliminates positions at New Jersey newspapers December 3, 2008 . Gannett Co. Inc. has eliminated 206 positions at its six newspapers in New Jersey due to declining advertising revenues and the severe economic downturn afflicting the state and the nation. The company began notifying the affected employees Tuesday at the Daily Record, the Asbury Park Press in Neptune, the Courier-Post in Cherry Hill, the Home News Tribune in East Brunswick, the Courier News in Bridgewater and the Daily Journal in Vineland. The economic downturn we are facing is severe and is expected to last throughout next year, said Thomas M. Donovan, president and publisher of the Asbury Park Press and vice president of Gannett's East Newspaper Group. We have reduced expenses significantly throughout this year. But, unfortunately, as we looked ahead to economic forecasts for 2009, it became clear that we needed to make further reductions. Employees who were laid off received severance benefits commensurate with their years of service. Michael W. Brim 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Gannett Co. Inc. has eliminated 206 positions
Exactly! I dubbed triCity a plog short for printed web log. The paper adopts the name. It's the future. I welcome it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Yet triCityNews has just passed the 70 page mark. Better business model - better journalism model. the tri city is like the net publish a bit of content, give it away for free to be paid for with ads price what is perceived to be cheap. Each page is looked at as is this page profitable for me to produce.. Ad revenue vs content vs cost of production per page. The Internet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
The investor would want a discount for present value. They aren't going to give you 50 cents now for 50 cents they are going to get from a meter 10 years from now, so you can invest it and double the money. They may as well invest it and double their money. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: The present value of that stream of free cash flows (assuming a 10 year deal with a 10% rate of return to the investor would be 8.258 million. After 10 years the meters would revert back to the town's ownership. So using those numbers an investor would be willing to put up 8.258 million to the town up front for the right to collect 1.344 million per year for 10 years. The investor gets a 10% return, Asbury get's a big up front payment to bridge a budget gap and the meters revert back to the town after year 10 so Asbury doesn't mortgage its future earnings power. Dan S. Your math only holds true for a short period (no reversionary interest) and does not account for appreciation (increase in parking fees). What do you mean by return? IRR or return ON capital or cap rate - a return OF and ON capital. There is a difference between YIELD (Y) and CAP (R) rates. Because R = Y - Change in Value, if there is appreciation (increase in value as there always is - and would be in this case IF the operator could increase parking fees over the 10-year period), Y (yield, discount, interest rate or IRR) is almost always higher than the R (cap rate). Thus, if the investor is looking for an IRR of 10%, the cap rate is lower. I was going to reply to oaks post that I would think a cap rate of 6%-8% would be appropriate. Last year it was probably under 5%. At 6%, the $1.344M would be worth $22.4M assuming the income stream could be capitalized into perpetuity ($1.344/6%). Under something like Oak suggests (75-year term) direct capitalization would be more appropriate than your discounting method, and even that does not account for an increase in the income over the 10-years. (a CAP rate reflects the relationship between a SINGLE estimate of income and value, while a YIELD rate is the relationship between a SERIES of incomes and value.) The parking spaces in AP are very valuable but SHOULD not be leased in my opinion, unless on a short-term basis with kickers and sharing of revenues. Getting the money up front would only makes us blow it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
Yea I went back and read your post again and I think I see where you put in the present value - within the difference between the 13+ million and the 8+ million. Very interesting stuff and thanks for posting it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or to put really simply, this is a municipal Bond structure. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: the 10% takes all of that into account. Think of this as a bond to the investor. Just like people put up a $100 to get a 4% guaranteed return from the U.S treasury. Doubling your money requires some risk parameters --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The investor would want a discount for present value. They aren't going to give you 50 cents now for 50 cents they are going to get from a meter 10 years from now, so you can invest it and double the money. They may as well invest it and double their money. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: The present value of that stream of free cash flows (assuming a 10 year deal with a 10% rate of return to the investor would be 8.258 million. After 10 years the meters would revert back to the town's ownership. So using those numbers an investor would be willing to put up 8.258 million to the town up front for the right to collect 1.344 million per year for 10 years. The investor gets a 10% return, Asbury get's a big up front payment to bridge a budget gap and the meters revert back to the town after year 10 so Asbury doesn't mortgage its future earnings power. Dan S. Your math only holds true for a short period (no reversionary interest) and does not account for appreciation (increase in parking fees). What do you mean by return? IRR or return ON capital or cap rate - a return OF and ON capital. There is a difference between YIELD (Y) and CAP (R) rates. Because R = Y - Change in Value, if there is appreciation (increase in value as there always is - and would be in this case IF the operator could increase parking fees over the 10-year period), Y (yield, discount, interest rate or IRR) is almost always higher than the R (cap rate). Thus, if the investor is looking for an IRR of 10%, the cap rate is lower. I was going to reply to oaks post that I would think a cap rate of 6%-8% would be appropriate. Last year it was probably under 5%. At 6%, the $1.344M would be worth $22.4M assuming the income stream could be capitalized into perpetuity ($1.344/6%). Under something like Oak suggests (75-year term) direct capitalization would be more appropriate than your discounting method, and even that does not account for an increase in the income over the 10-years. (a CAP rate reflects the relationship between a SINGLE estimate of income and value, while a YIELD rate is the relationship between a SERIES of incomes and value.) The parking spaces in AP are very valuable but SHOULD not be leased in my opinion, unless on a short-term basis with kickers and sharing of revenues. Getting the money up front would only makes us blow it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
So if I put 8.3 million in a safe investment vehicle with 5% compounded annually, how much would I have at the end of 10 years? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The investor would want a discount for present value. They aren't going to give you 50 cents now for 50 cents they are going to get from a meter 10 years from now, so you can invest it and double the money. They may as well invest it and double their money. Stick to the law. A yield or cap rate converts future dollars to present value. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
I believe that shows that under the example we have been dealing with today, the amount calculated for present value and rate of return is off by a great deal if we are going to attract an investor for a ten year period. As the below number shows, he can throw it all in a nice safe CD and make more. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $13,519,825 and 40 cents --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: So if I put 8.3 million in a safe investment vehicle with 5% compounded annually, how much would I have at the end of 10 years? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: The investor would want a discount for present value. They aren't going to give you 50 cents now for 50 cents they are going to get from a meter 10 years from now, so you can invest it and double the money. They may as well invest it and double their money. Stick to the law. A yield or cap rate converts future dollars to present value. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
That's right - which is why I don't think the posts have been correct in calling the deal as presented a 10% rate of return to the investor. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: So if I put 8.3 million in a safe investment vehicle with 5% compounded annually, how much would I have at the end of 10 years? $ amount X (1 + i)^n i = rate of interest n = compounding periods Let's you find the compound interest factor The answer using your numbers $8.3M X (1 +5%)^10 $8.3M X 1.628895 $13.519825M Go in reverse. What is the present value of $13.519825 to be received in 10 years assuming a 5% interest rate. Present value factor is reciprocal 1/(1+i)^n $13.519825M X 1/(1+5%)^10 $13.519825M X .613913 = $8.3M Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
The bank down the street from me is closer to 5. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I believe that shows that under the example we have been dealing with today, the amount calculated for present value and rate of return is off by a great deal if we are going to attract an investor for a ten year period. As the below number shows, he can throw it all in a nice safe CD and make more. Current national avg for a 5-year cd is 3.77%. No 10-year cd's. No chance of an increase in the investment unlike the parking fees or any other flexible rent stream you invest in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
2 plus 2 is still 4 no matter what you do or don't do for a living. I've had to put together many deals involving the present value of dollars received later (that's me sticking to the law as the other Dan said - he just forgot to inquire what type of law). It doesn't make a bit of difference what either of us do or how many times we've done it. 2 plus 2 still has to equal 4. You are not going to get an investor to hand you 8.3 million for the right to (maybe) receive 13.3 million over 10 years, when he can safely make the same money in a CD in the same period of time with no risk and no administration costs. In real world terms, Asbury Park would have to ask for a great deal less than 8.3 million. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK hold on - let me explain one example is 8.3 million tied up for 10 years. your 5% example. you get 5% on 8.3 each year or $415,000 The example i gave is 8.3 million up front like your example, but you receive 1.34 million each year that you can then re-invest in something else. SO, it is a better stream of cash flows Trust me on this one, i do this for a living --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: That's right - which is why I don't think the posts have been correct in calling the deal as presented a 10% rate of return to the investor. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: So if I put 8.3 million in a safe investment vehicle with 5% compounded annually, how much would I have at the end of 10 years? $ amount X (1 + i)^n i = rate of interest n = compounding periods Let's you find the compound interest factor The answer using your numbers $8.3M X (1 +5%)^10 $8.3M X 1.628895 $13.519825M Go in reverse. What is the present value of $13.519825 to be received in 10 years assuming a 5% interest rate. Present value factor is reciprocal 1/(1+i)^n $13.519825M X 1/(1+5%)^10 $13.519825M X .613913 = $8.3M Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are going to have to start doing competency hearings soon. Your numbers are based upon 5%. Dan S (the other one) used 10% return and that would correlate into $21.538M in 10 years. But this is not exactly Dan's example. It is what you set up in your question. No, I used what the other Dan S set up. Here are his assumptions from his post number 43285: The present value of that stream of free cash flows (assuming a 10 year deal with a 10% rate of return to the investor would be 8.258 million. After 10 years the meters would revert back to the town's ownership. So using those numbers an investor would be willing to put up 8.258 million to the town up front for the right to collect 1.344 million per year for 10 years. That's when I questioned his calculation of present value. You said it was already in there. I believe his calculation to be off by a lot. My proof is that the investor could put the 8.3 million in a CD at 5% for the same 10 years and get to the same 13.4 million. There is no way in the real world you can convince an investor that the assumptions he used equates to a 10% rate of return. I believe the problem is using 8.3 million as the present value. Way too high. Right back to my original point. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oy vey! No, I used what the other Dan S set up. Here are his assumptions from his post number 43285: The present value of that stream of free cash flows (assuming a 10 year deal with a 10% rate of return to the investor would be 8.258 million. 10% (not 5% like you said) After 10 years the meters would revert back to the town's ownership. So using those numbers an investor would be willing to put up 8.258 million to the town up front for the right to collect 1.344 million per year for 10 years. I reiterate, $8.3M grows to $13M+ in 10 years at 5% (your rate) $8.3M grows to $21M+ in 10 years at 10% (Dan's rate) What is the problem? The problem is he claims they will see only 13.4 million, not the 21 million you bring up. That's why I'm pointing out that his assumption of a 10% rate of return is wrong. Back to the beginning again: To get to a 10% rate of return, the present value rate will have to be dropped considerably in his assumptions. Or sell it at 5% - but since that is what you can get in a CD, you won't sell it to anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez, i went to a meeting for an hour and here is where we are. One major mistake is being made in these calculations. 10% grows to 21.5 million if you never take the money out and you leave it compounding for all ten years. My example has a payout each and every year and that money does not get re-invested. It is the difference between the return when DISTRIBUTED in a stream over time versus when it is left alone for 10 years. The fact that you have access to the cash in each and every year is different than the first example. Make Sense? That means the 50 cents you realize in year 1 of the deal is worth 10x more than the 50 cents you realize in year 10, because you can re-invest it for an additional 10 years. So if you took the 1.3 million and bought a CD each year at 5%, would you make it up to the 21 million by the time you were done? I think you might fall short. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I do not think you ever said anything about $13M+ originally. Again it was Tom's question and example of what $8.3M would be worth in 10 years at 5%. Dan how many times do I have to re-post his assumptions to convince you that the $13M+ was his and not mine? Here it is again. Please read the last line: Here are his assumptions from his post number 43285: The present value of that stream of free cash flows (assuming a 10 year deal with a 10% rate of return to the investor would be 8.258 million. After 10 years the meters would revert back to the town's ownership. So using those numbers an investor would be willing to put up 8.258 million to the town up front for the right to collect 1.344 million per year for 10 years. Isn't 1.34 million per year times 10 years 13.4 million? That's his numbers - not mine. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So 2+2 = 4 and it does matter what i do :) Sorry but i had to, that one hurt my feelings. Its bad enough we are in a bear market but then you tell me im a moron, hurts my ego :) Hurt your feelings? It wasn't about you. I have a personal philosophy about conversations that I've posted here before and I'll share with you now: NO ONE is right about something because of who they are, what they do or what they've read. They are right because they are right, independent of the above. Here's an example: I have a cold. I go see a doctor. He says I have a cold. Is he right because of who he is, what he does or what he's read? No. He's right because I do have a fucking cold. If he said I didn't have one, he'd be wrong, regardless of who he is, what he does or what he has read. See what I mean? We are right or wrong because we are right or wrong, having nothing to do with who we are, what we do or what we have read. That's why I hate personalizing in these posts so much. Personalizing in never relevant to an issue. If you turn out to be right here disher, it's because your numbers are right - not because you are who you are. That said, I still don't think your numbers add up using the assumptions you first posted. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was making a JOKE. Lighten up Francis Didn't know that. I just didn't want you thinking I was peronsonalizing. You know I don't do that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly. the 50 cents you receive in year one can be reinvestd at 10% for 9 years. So that grows to $1.17. Then you receive another fifty cents in year two and that grows for 8 years to $1.07. Etc.. etc. Now we are getting somewhere. That's what I just put in the last post. Even if you reinvested each year at 5% you wont get to a 10% total return on investment, which is why I'm still disagreeing with you back to the starting line with your assumptions. Now as to this post here - where is this wonderful 10% investment vehicle you are so easily slipping the money into each year? I was using real world terms. The other Dan posted that the average CD is 3.77. If we are going to assume the easy availability of a 10% vehicle, then revise my initial CD purchase from a 5 to a 10%. Now your numbers fall really short. Stick to real world terms - and your assumptions don't add up. You won't get an investor interested using them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park's Parking Meters Worth $37 MILLION? - THE MATH
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO NO NO - Putting up 8.4 million and then receiving 1.44 million per year is a 10% return. We're just going to have to have different conclusions when we write our prospectus;-) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So back to the budget and leasing Parking...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's put the whose right and wrong aside. Is that a good idea? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So back to the budget and leasing Parking...
The last word is yours, dsher4. Thanks for posting this stuff today and I hope you don't let my examination of it, right or wrong, dissuade you from posting about it again. It was a good discussion. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to let this discussion go for now in light of these thoughts. I am not in the law profession so i do not make statements about that profession because it is not my core competency. I am in the investment profession and that is my core competency. I also have multiple models that do these calculations for me. Compound interest and rate of return are some of the most basic concepts in my business. I feel i have a firm grasp on them Maybe i'm wrong in how i'm calculating this but that means i have been making wrong math calculations for the hedge fund that i have been working at for 15 years. The 10% assumption was an example, not a real world prospectus. We could surely debate those issues, and i actually think the return would have to be 15%+ to an investor. So that is a debateable topic, how compound interest works is not. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Let's put the whose right and wrong aside. Is that a good idea? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof that Nancy Shields Reads This
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you ever think maybe Nancy talks to a lot of people? Did you ever think that maybe someone sent her a copy of the letter? So what if she reads what is on this board. So what? I would want to know if the only daily paper in 2 counties was following what I write. That so what - right there. **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stepping Down from City Council
What happends next? Do the councilmembers fill the seat, is there a special election or does the seat stay vacant until May? Does it make a difference if the resignation is effective before or after the new year since it is an election year? If no one knows off hand I'll try to look it up. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Friends of Asbury Park: Jim congratulations and the people, like you or not, probably owe you some thanks for being being there and trying. I'm sure that new time you find not thinking about AP will wind up helping more people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stepping Down from City Council
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: What happends next? Do the councilmembers fill the seat, is there a special election or does the seat stay vacant until May? Does it make a difference if the resignation is effective before or after the new year since it is an election year? If no one knows off hand I'll try to look it up. I think they just pick someone. Isn't that how Ed first got on after Kate Mellina stepped down? Yes I recall that's how Ed got in. I'm not sure what the law says with respect to timing though. Just wondering aloud, I'm curious whether they can appoint if the vacancy occurs within a certain amount of time before an election. I'll check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Stepping Down from City Council
Here's what I found out: Because AP is non-partisan, the City Council members have 30 days from the resignation to fill the seat. If they don't fill the seat, it stays vacant until May's election. If AP was a partisan town, the political party would put up 3 names for the council to choose from. If the council didn't act in 30 days, the party could fill the seat from the 3 names. So it will be up to Kevin, Jimmy, John, Ed to determine if they want to fill the seat or leave it vacant. I say fill it to the rim with Amy Quinn or Michael Brim. How's that for poetry! Or how about: Time to sail with Paul Vail. Or maybe: Here we go with Mario! Or: The future is heaven with Maureen Nevin! Who are you folks interested in seeing take that seat? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: redevelopement... college paper
There are many college students who have written on that same topic over the years. I'd love to see them all together some day. Would be fun to compare and contrast their thoughts. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jandlinap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi.. One of my friends is writing a paper at NYU about the redev. of asbur park...if anyone can email him and help with some information..would be appreciated.. his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jeffrey Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. = === Your ability to see at night was compromised by the industrial flood lights shining into that intersection from South wall of the Wonder bar and the MM/APartners pavilion. The glare caused your eyes to compensate for the high contrast and not 'see' the people. Case Closed. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] RIP old friend
A friend who passed Thanksgiving Day was the most Asbury guy you would have ever met. Picture everything Bruce Springsteen ever wrote about driving the circuit or partying down the Beach and Boardwalk, and he was it. Literally one of the kids huddled on the beach in the mist. So long, old friend. FREDERICK J. ABLES AGE: 46 NEPTUNE Frederick J. Ables, 46, of Neptune died suddenly Friday, Nov. 28 at Jersey Shore University Medical Center, Neptune. Fred was the owner and operator of Ables Landscaping, Neptune, for the past 22 years. He was a graduate of Asbury Park H.S. and an avid bowler and fisherman. Born in Elizabeth, he lived in Asbury Park for 43 years before moving to Neptune 2 years ago. Surviving are his wife, Lourdes Montoya Ables ; his mother, Dolores Spontak, of Ocean Township.; two brothers, David W. Ables, of Ocean Twp. and Ricky Ables and his wife, Maureen of Asbury Park; two sisters, Charlotte Wroblewski and her husband, Irving, of Germany and Debra Nissim and her husband, Donald of Wayside and many other nieces, nephews and cousins. Fred was a wonderful husband and father. Visitation will be on Tuesday from 2 to 4 and 7 to 9 p.m. in Buckley Funeral Home, 509 Second Ave., Asbury Park. A funeral service will be celebrated at 11 a.m. Wednesday in the funeral home. Interment will be private. In lieu of flowers, please donate to the family, c/o Lourdes Ables, 713 Ruth Dr., Neptune, NJ 07753. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
What bait? Am I not allowed to offer my thoughts on the lighting topic? If a person disagrees with the majority it's bait. Perhaps you would more enjoy a discussion where every one agrees. Besides, your entire post below is personalizing - it focuses on me and not the issue. Make conclusions about the issue - not about participants in the discussion. It's very easy to do that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Sure - that's why the keep the lights so low at Giants Stadium - so you can see the players better. Good grief. = I'll just add that if a supposedly intelligent person can't address the issue at hand - GLARE, in particular DISABILITY GLARE (look it up), here are two conclusions one could arrive at. - the individual is ignorant (look it up) of the subject. or - the individual chooses to ignore the issue just to argue. Werner (PS - I know I shouldn't take the bait - apologies to all) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
By the way Jack I did read the Nat Geo you posted. The following excerpt supports my position fully. Note the author makes no qualification about opinion. He cites it as fact. Good for him. Here it is: If humans were truly at home under the light of the moon and stars, we would go in darkness happily, the midnight world as visible to us as it is to the vast number of nocturnal species on this planet. Instead, we are diurnal creatures, with eyes adapted to living in the sun's light. This is a basic evolutionary fact, even though most of us don't think of ourselves as diurnal beings any more than we think of ourselves as primates or mammals or Earthlings. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. Maybe there is no wrong or right here, just different opinions. Personally, I greatly dislike the way the area in question is lit, and I really dislike the lighting near the Casino. People in Ocean Grove don't like it either. Did you even take a second to read the article I posted from National Geographic? I read every word of all of your posts, because I have an open mind. Do you have an open enough mind to consider the possibility that other opinions are as valuable as you think yours are? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: This is a horrible attempt to be right Do you post to show yourself incorrect? Please explain. I don't understand the fault in being correct. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
Thank you Jack, and thanks for not seeing it as patronizing like that other fellow, instead for seeing it as the true compliment to you from me that it was. It's much easier for me to say good point to your post ( or anyone else's) about a stretched point I may have made, when the post I'm conceding to isn't also filled with a bunch of negative conclusions about me personally. I think that is true of anyone. Hopefully you've started a new trend - no conclusions about other posters - just their arguements. I hope I didn't talk you into a telescope to look at meteor showers! Meteors are random in the sky and last for a split second, so you really can't use the scope for that. Best just scanning with your naked eye. I don't think City light planning should include we amatuer astronomers. If we had our way there'd be no electricity. It's the nature of hobby to travel to seek out the dark skies (and part of the fun). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I hope this doesn't ruin my attempt to do the right thing, but I have one more thing to add. Remember about a year ago, when I posted about buying a telescope? Well, part of the reason why I chose to do so was because of you Tommy, because I liked your posts about meteor showers. So, I bought a telescope, and I love it. At the time, I could take that telescope into the alley between my home and then next, and it became a sort of open air observatory. Many months later, that observatory isn't very ideal. Why? Because all the new lighting has created light pollution, and the night sky above my apt. is now filled with the ambient light bouncing off of the natural mist that accompanies living by the ocean, so in order to enjoy my telescope, I now need to pack it up, and go elsewhere, which kind've diminishes the joy I got from it. This whole argument isn't really about too much lighting, it's about appropriate lighting. Couldn't the city, and MM done a better, more coordinated job by installing lighting that does the job without flooding the entire area with light spillage? Couldn't the city and MM done a better job at creating a unified lighting plan, one which does the job, but still lets the night be the night? Unfortunately, AP has been in a state of desperation for years, so most of the solutions here is to just throw assets and redevelopment activities out there in a hurry, rather then take the time to do it right, the first time. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: There is no fault in being correct. But to make a leap about a nighttime football game and compare it to a community is really a stretch. This is a good post, Jack. You attack my arguement. You say a street and a stadium are not comparable and therefore don't lead to an approprate conclusion by comparing them. Notice how not one word of what you wrote is dependant upon any conclusions about me. That's how all posts should be. Nice job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, to the topic of lighting, what about what Oak wrote, about the lighting ruining the view in Watermark? Isn't that a valid point? Watermark just needs to do what Mr. C does in Allenhurst at his restaurant on the beach, as well as what McCloones and others do in Pier Village (where I was last night): Bright spot lights to light up the Ocean at night. Great attraction. Watching a large flock of birds bobbing in the Ocean under the lights last night was really beautiful. And people in OG have been complaining to the city about our light spilling into their homes. Aren't those valid point? The folks you used to lock the bridge to keep us out of there at night? Let them eat cake. Now that Batman is dead maybe we can take the bat light Commissioner Gordon used to shine on the moon and shine it on Ocean Grove. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Low Lights
Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
I thought I heard someone yell Aflac. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shit! That was you You damned near ran over me, my duck and my dog! No worries, I was safely holed up in NY. :-) Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Low Lights
I thought I heard someone yell Aflac. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shit! That was you You damned near ran over me, my duck and my dog! No worries, I was safely holed up in NY. :-) Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Leaving CH Friday night. At Ocean and 4th I almost ran over 3 people crossing. Had to slam on my brakes. I could not see them until they were in my headlights. Why? Too damned dark. No sight of them when they were still at the curb. NEED BRIGHT LIGHTS! Case closed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
