[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Frank it is interesting to me that you would make the distinction between saying THIS MAN'S WRITING is racist and homophobic and saying that THIS MAN is racaist and homophobic. Once on this board I tried to make a similar distinction. I said that Councilman JK made a typical Cracker response in a newspaper. When I tried to make the distinction by saying that I wasn't labeling him as such, just his response, my explanation was not well received by many on this board. I suspect that due to your more affable personality as compared to mine, people will accept the explanation from you. I do, because I understand the disctinction intellectually, not just because of your amiable manner. That being said, I googled this fellow's name and could find nothing about him. Can you share with us his writing that you find so offensive so that we may judge for ourselves? Is he the one involved in writing those little four or six page booklets about the Board of Ed I've seen in the past? The ones that bear the Sonnier household as the place of printing? I've seen those booklets, and they are quite disturbing. In fact, I got the whole racist and homophobic feeling after reading them. Is that his writing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon cabaretjon@ wrote: N, Justified, I am not calling this man a racist or homophobic, Frank D'Allessandro POSTED that this man IS a racist and a homophobic. Since Frank is one of the spokesmen for OUR community, I assume that he did his homework. (After all, Frank IS a retired teacher). He must have researched this before he would make such serious allegations; otherwise Frank should be considered a disgrace to our board of education! Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, but what I have stated is that the man's extensive rantings were both rascist and homophobic. Justified then made the logical short leap to state what I had only implied. His inference then gets repeated over and over as what was stated explicitly by Justified, but not by me. I believe in freedom of speech and that includes hate speech. I believe I've been around long enough to recognize hate speech when I read it or hear it, whether it's directed at people because of their race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. It's just that that I do not believe that such protected speech should be rewarded with the high honor, and yes it is a high honor as well as a solemn responsibility, of being a member of the board of education. I also believe a person's word is his bond, and that accounts for my characterization in the subject line of bait and switch betrayal. Unfortunately, I cannot give an explanation more explicit than that. It is gratifying, however, that a dialogue, however heated can take place on this subject. Sunlight, even with its heat, is still the best disinfectant. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that due to your more affable personality as compared to mine, people will accept the explanation from you. I do, because I understand the disctinction intellectually, not just because of your amiable manner. Surely you jest, Tommy. I suspected you would accuse me of being Clintonian and arguing about what the meaning of is is. Clinton is one of my heroes, you know. Can you share with us his writing that you find so offensive so that we may judge for ourselves? Is he the one involved in writing those little four or six page booklets about the Board of Ed I've seen in the past? The ones that bear the Sonnier household as the place of printing? I've seen those booklets, and they are quite disturbing. In fact, I got the whole racist and homophobic feeling after reading them. Is that his writing? No, Tommy, those are not the writings and/or statements I referred to. The ones you cited were from Brother Joseph Sonnier. The style and content are consistent, however. I'll try to dig some of these up. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Hi Folks, Just want say does Frank like anyone that is Black coming on the board of education, because I remembered when I applied for a vacant seat it was Garrett Frank that could not vote for me. But I didn't think they were racist I just thought they didn't want me on the board. But I guess I will be labeled something now that I have said the above statement. A former board member
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely you jest, Tommy. I suspected you would accuse me of being Clintonian and arguing about what the meaning of is is. Clinton is one of my heroes, you know. Really Frank? One of your heroes? Which of these 3 Clinton initiatives was your favorite? 1. The broken promise to gays to desegregate the military by instead creating don't ask don't tell, also known as keep your gay self in the closet? 2. The day Clinton's staff greeted a contingent of gay and lesbian leaders at the white house wearing rubber gloves? 3. Signing the completely anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act? Please enlighten me Frank. Which of these elevated him to hero status in your eyes? (Expecting Frank's post addressing none of these things and going off topic in 3..2..1...) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Just want say does Frank like anyone that is Black coming on the board of education, because I remembered when I applied for a vacant seat it was Garrett Frank that could not vote for me. But I didn't think they were racist I just thought they didn't want me on the board. But I guess I will be labeled something now that I have said the above statement. A former board member Sorry, Toni, but you probably don't know that I was proud to nominate Marie Castro as a new board member, and she was unanimously chosen. Marie is an African_American woman, a great lady, and will be a terrific role model for our kids. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Frank, That's wonderful I'm glad she is an African American woman you could nominate.In my opinion I think there are board members who do not appreciate African American women or men if they don't go along with their opinions. Maybe it would be good to relieve the board of their seats let the state step in for awhile to focus on the children and not all of the this drama going on. Toni
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
There you go again Gary with your jealous rants. Jason Thomson triCitynews Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I now you're wrong. There's nothing triCity won't print :-) There have been letters to the publisher that were not printed. I know of many people who didn't get in the issue. Tri City definitely doesn't print everything. Whether or not they have any standards is another matter. I'm sure spacing and timing comes into play as well. BTW, I like the new font - much easier to read. And what's with people writing in complete paragraphs? For a minute, I didn't know it was the same paper... LOL BTW Gary, I thought you didn't read the paper? You sure seem to know alot about the way we do business for someone who doesn't read it. The funny thing is everytime you rant about us on this board you're so far off it's ridiculous. Why don't you try emailing us at the paper and telling us how you feel instead of hiding behind this board. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoelse voted for him? Doesn't it take 5 yes votes? Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind-numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
As much as I hate to say it, this is one more in a long series of examples why the state needs to come in and completely take over the AP school system. No matter how hard good people try to make this better (you being top of that list) the ridiculous drama and divisiveness continues. The only ones really losing, every single day, are the kids. I am now convinced we'll never fix this problem ourselves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the majority of the Board change because of these appoinments? If not who cares knock him out in April. It doesn't matter who made the motion. What matters is who voted for him and why. As much as I hate to say it, this is one more in a long series of examples why the state needs to come in and completely take over the AP school system. No matter how hard good people try to make this better (you being top of that list) the ridiculous drama and divisiveness continues. The only ones really losing, every single day, are the kids. I am now convinced we'll never fix this problem ourselves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
I don't know this Hopson fellow. You label him racist and homophobic. Very serious charges. Can you lay out the facts that support those labels? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear there are letters out there that the Tri Shitty News wouldn't even print. I don't know this Hopson fellow. You label him racist and homophobic. Very serious charges. Can you lay out the facts that support those labels? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Now I now you're wrong. There's nothing triCity won't print :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I hear there are letters out there that the Tri Shitty News wouldn't even print. I don't know this Hopson fellow. You label him racist and homophobic. Very serious charges. Can you lay out the facts that support those labels? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind-numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
Hey Caberetjon, now you are calling this man racist and homophobic. Do you know him, or are you relying on Frank labeling him that? I hope Frank sets for the proof of his allegation here. Those labels are two of the worst things a person can be. I truly want to see the proof before I call someone that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who else voted for this guy? What was the vote? Hey Caberetjon, now you are calling this man racist and homophobic. Do you know him, or are you relying on Frank labeling him that? I hope Frank sets for the proof of his allegation here. Those labels are two of the worst things a person can be. I truly want to see the proof before I call someone that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon cabaretjon@ wrote: Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
N, Justified, I am not calling this man a racist or homophobic, Frank D'Allessandro POSTED that this man IS a racist and a homophobic. Since Frank is one of the spokesmen for OUR community, I assume that he did his homework. (After all, Frank IS a retired teacher). He must have researched this before he would make such serious allegations; otherwise Frank should be considered a disgrace to our board of education! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Caberetjon, now you are calling this man racist and homophobic. Do you know him, or are you relying on Frank labeling him that? I hope Frank sets for the proof of his allegation here. Those labels are two of the worst things a person can be. I truly want to see the proof before I call someone that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon cabaretjon@ wrote: Are you saying that our vice president was baited and switched? Couldn't you warn him of this deceit? This racist and homophobe you have informed us about has no business on our board of education! For a small city, I have never, in all the places I've lived in, experienced such crisis continually with our board of education and schools! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Last night I posted the following on the GLBT Asbury Yahoo group. I hope that the folks here think it is a subject worthy of discussion. Dear Group, Since I have previously promised to keep the group informed about Board of Education matters that affect us all, I have been wrestling with my conscience since last night's important meeting on just how to keep my pledge. I've concluded it is best to deliver the news, very disturbing news, at least in my opinion. You will recall that the board needed to fill the seats of Mrs. Sonnier and Susan Bisaha, both of whom resigned recently. The Sonnier position was filled by Ms. Marie Castro, a part-time professor of English at Lehman College, part of the CUNY system. Personally, I could not be happier about that; the children of Asbury Park will have a great friend and role model in Marie. It is the second position, the one left vacant by Susan Bisaha's resignation that we should find most disturbing for a number of reasons. The man chosen by the board has been the author, in my opinion, of some of the most vile rascist AND homophobic literature in our city. The greatest irony of it all is that this newly appointed school board member, Gregory Hopson, Sr., was the very person who had accused Susan of despicable, cruel, and most unprofessional acts, all reckless allegations which then had to be investigated at great expense to us and great distress to Susan. Upon thorough investigation by State offcials, those charges were, of course, found to be completely groundless. As his reward, he now gets to take the position of the woman he unjustly maligned. How this man came to be chosen may be the most disturbing part of last night's meeting, and I've alluded to it in the subject line above. If there is interest in this group for further details, I will supply them to the best of my ability, keeping in mind however that as a member of the school board I am bound by board policy, and I do not speak for the board. Suffice it to say for now that the person who nominated Mr. Hopson was the Board of Education Vice President Garrett Giberson, Jr. I do not think that I am being overly dramatic when I say that our city and our school board suffered a real setback last night, and the truly sad part is that the person most responsible for this degradation was the vice-president. We had an opportunity to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of Susan Bisaha with another well-qualified and caring resident of our troubled city. That gentleman, and I do mean gentleman, was most eloquent in his responses during the Board's public interview. The fact that he was passed over in favor of one who has sought to divide the city with unrelentingly ugly and inflamatory rascist, homophobic statements is mind- numbing. Meanwhile, absolutely none of this helps raise one test score or educates one child. Score one for the bullies, the rascists, and the homophobes. Regrettably, this travesty was initiated and made possible by the board vice-president. I sincerely hope he will explain why he did what he did. Frank D'Alessandro 6th Ave. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cabaretjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N, Justified, I am not calling this man a racist or homophobic, Frank D'Allessandro POSTED that this man IS a racist and a homophobic. Since Frank is one of the spokesmen for OUR community, I assume that he did his homework. (After all, Frank IS a retired teacher). He must have researched this before he would make such serious allegations; otherwise Frank should be considered a disgrace to our board of education! Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, but what I have stated is that the man's extensive rantings were both rascist and homophobic. Justified then made the logical short leap to state what I had only implied. His inference then gets repeated over and over as what was stated explicitly by Justified, but not by me. I believe in freedom of speech and that includes hate speech. I believe I've been around long enough to recognize hate speech when I read it or hear it, whether it's directed at people because of their race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. It's just that that I do not believe that such protected speech should be rewarded with the high honor, and yes it is a high honor as well as a solemn responsibility, of being a member of the board of education. I also believe a person's word is his bond, and that accounts for my characterization in the subject line of bait and switch betrayal. Unfortunately, I cannot give an explanation more explicit than that. It is gratifying, however, that a dialogue, however heated can take place on this subject. Sunlight, even with its heat, is still the best disinfectant. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bait-and-Switch Betrayal and Strange, Strange Bedfellows
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to say it, this is one more in a long series of examples why the state needs to come in and completely take over the AP school system. No matter how hard good people try to make this better (you being top of that list) the ridiculous drama and divisiveness continues. The only ones really losing, every single day, are the kids. I am now convinced we'll never fix this problem ourselves. Thanks for what you have said and the very kind words. There are days when I think this is a really bad soap opera with no redeeming social value, and one in which the kids are afterthoughts, at best. And I had hoped that State intervention would be something more valuable than yet another layer of bureacracy. And yet, with many good people willing to fight to keep this district from backsliding into one big hotbed of cronyism once again, there are, more often than people realize, signs of quiet progress. I sincerely believe that our greatest strength as a district is at the elementary level. There is more stability there, and we need to build on that. I also see many students at the secondary level who are very appreciative when they are given a helping hand and are not treated dismissively. I see teachers who stay long after the last period ends assisting students. I don't think we can afford to throw up our hands and walk away. The people in this town need to demand of their elected officials, whether the council or the schoolboard: Just what is your agenda? And if your main concern is furthering your own status in life, diverting public funds, or persecuting good employees to make room for your friends, then step aside before you do any more damage than you have done already. There's real important work that needs to be done, and it has absolutely nothing to do with your personal agenda. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
