[AsburyPark] Re: esperanza sales office....now
That would be great. I hate that space being all closed off and vacant. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wesley grove sales office?? I just got back from geting a dog at the mayfair. They laid out a Wesley Grove Doormat at what was the Esperanza sales office. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: esperanza sales office....now
Yes it would be good BUT I wonder if the council approved? If I recall, the Esp could only use the boardwalk site for 1 year. I have not heard on MM getting permission to use the site as a sales office - Original Message From: asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:41:03 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: esperanza sales officenow That would be great. I hate that space being all closed off and vacant. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wesley grove sales office?? I just got back from geting a dog at the mayfair. They laid out a Wesley Grove Doormat at what was the Esperanza sales office.
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan or anyone have any information on the Esperanza? ..just curious drove by yesterday and they were continuing to pack up Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
based on the fact that I was under contract and that they have not reached out to me I guess you can't be optimistic about them getting anything started anytime soonlooks like Dean got in over his head. hopefully the momentum MM will create on the BW will direct people's attention away from a stalled out contruction site... thank god I got my deposit back! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri nobepeymay@ wrote: Dan or anyone have any information on the Esperanza? ..just curious drove by yesterday and they were continuing to pack up Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Thanks Oakdorf, i guess packing up is what's going on! I'm surpised almost that MM didn't want anything to do with it. Right on the center of the Ocean Ave spand... I guess Wesley grove was enough for them for the current time. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I completely agree. It was the first thing I thought of when construction was halted. I made a very similar post the day after the news of the shutdown hit. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there seems to be no movement to resume the Esperanza project allow me to share with you my recommendation at a recent Council Meeting. Background - Everything done so far is the foundation for a very large highrise - foundations, design, etc. The lower levels that are just appearing are designed to be parking levels. Make a deal with Metro, or whoever steps into their shoes, to complete the parking levels for use and allow them to retain the residential right for the future. For MM, the retail, beach, ConHall, Casino, etc to succeed there has to be sufficient parking. Well, there it is a partially completed parking facility. A win all around, Parking in a new completed facility, the possibility of residential towers retained for the future. Or perhaps a Hotel (recall that hotel anenities were designed in already). Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there seems to be no movement to resume the Esperanza project Because you can't see something doesn't mean it does not exist. allow me to share with you my recommendation at a recent Council Meeting. Background - Everything done so far is the foundation for a very large highrise - foundations, design, etc. The lower levels that are just appearing are designed to be parking levels. Make a deal with Metro, or whoever steps into their shoes, to complete the parking levels for use and allow them to retain the residential right for the future. We are considering that. Be patient. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
allow me to share with you my recommendation at a recent Council Meeting. Background - Everything done so far is the foundation for a very large highrise - foundations, design, etc. The lower levels that are just appearing are designed to be parking levels. Make a deal with Metro, or whoever steps into their shoes, to complete the parking levels for use and allow them to retain the residential right for the future. We are considering that. Be patient. Dan: Are you saying that there is a plan to consider completing the parking garage for use as a public commercial parking facility, while possibly selling the air rights for residential development in the future. What happens to the parking requirements if 224 units are built on top? Where will those 448 spaces be located? Will the commercial spaces be reverted to the residential development or will 448 additional residential spaces be placed on higher levels with the height of the building being raised while still keeping the public commercial spaces? Bob Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are considering that. Be patient. Who is We ?? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bob73121 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan: Are you saying that there is a plan to consider completing the parking garage for use as a public commercial parking facility, while possibly selling the air rights for residential development in the future. What happens to the parking requirements if 224 units are built on top? Where will those 448 spaces be located? Will the commercial spaces be reverted to the residential development or will 448 additional residential spaces be placed on higher levels with the height of the building being raised while still keeping the public commercial spaces? What I am saying is that many things are being considered that will be in the best interest of the city. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: We are considering that. Be patient. Who is We ?? Werner Correction noted, I should have said that is being considered. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Who are you trying to kid :-) You've dropped more hints than we have bombs on Baghdad that you are somehow involved in the inside, if not at least privvy to the inside chatter. Spill it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: We are considering that. Be patient. Who is We ?? Werner Correction noted, I should have said that is being considered. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who are you trying to kid :-) You've dropped more hints than we have bombs on Baghdad that you are somehow involved in the inside, if not at least privvy to the inside chatter. Not dropping hints. Merely trying to stop run away speculation that typifies this city. There is nothing to report. I have no power, no authorty and know nothing that is not already known publicly. Assume for the moment that no one knows anything more than all know already. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Okee doke. Your word's good enough for me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Who are you trying to kid :-) You've dropped more hints than we have bombs on Baghdad that you are somehow involved in the inside, if not at least privvy to the inside chatter. Not dropping hints. Merely trying to stop run away speculation that typifies this city. There is nothing to report. I have no power, no authorty and know nothing that is not already known publicly. Assume for the moment that no one knows anything more than all know already. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
this makes a ton of sensefor the reasons listed below as well as the fact that if that partially built site sits there without activity, it will lead many outsiders who are potential condo and / or home buyers skepticle of the viability of a successful redevelopment and detract from any good MM is doing on the boarkwalk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there seems to be no movement to resume the Esperanza project allow me to share with you my recommendation at a recent Council Meeting. Background - Everything done so far is the foundation for a very large highrise - foundations, design, etc. The lower levels that are just appearing are designed to be parking levels. Make a deal with Metro, or whoever steps into their shoes, to complete the parking levels for use and allow them to retain the residential right for the future. For MM, the retail, beach, ConHall, Casino, etc to succeed there has to be sufficient parking. Well, there it is a partially completed parking facility. A win all around, Parking in a new completed facility, the possibility of residential towers retained for the future. Or perhaps a Hotel (recall that hotel anenities were designed in already). Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I went there, too and stopped reading! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got to La Shawn Barber and stopped reading. http://tinyurl.com/2slsb3 On Dec 27, 2007, at 6:29 PM, justifiedright wrote: Islamofascists from Saudi Arabia. Islamofascists are in many countries - even mine: http://tinyurl.com/2q8l8s That's why we have to kill them before they kill us. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon sharon_b283@ wrote: I thought that the attackers, were from Saudi Arabia! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You said Nothing happens in a vacuum. That would mean everything is connected. So you connect Reagan to 9/11 but not Iraq, exempting them from your Universal Rule that nothing happens in a vaccum. Incredible. As for the end of your post - you are blaming America for 9/11. Deny it all you want, but that's what your words say. We had no contribution to 9/11. Can't believe you would suggest such a thing. Islamofacists hate us for not being them. For not following Sharia Law and for our modernity. Listen to Bin Laden's tapes. Our fault? Tell you what. You cop to it. Be a Dhimmi. That's what they want. you've taken the first steps to where they want you to be. As for me, I'm proud to be American. So what does that make us? Chopped liver? What makes YOU more American than US? Like a Nazi, you choose to follow the status quo, while the rest of us, question authority! What's wrong with disagreeing with the President? Islamo Fascists, as you call them, disagree with us invading their country! The same country we were defending and funding, not too long ago! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Nothing happens in a vacuum. So you believe Iraq and 9/11 were connected? If you say no, then I suppose you will have to amend you statement to say that some things happen in a vaccuum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess Tommy doesn't believe it's possible for America to do wrong... By this statement do you assert America was wrong to assist the Afghans against the Russians? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I guess Tommy doesn't believe it's possible for America to do wrong... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: So you believe Iraq and 9/11 were connected? Yes. The Bush administration attempted to use the attacks of 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq. That's the connection. You walked into that punch. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I thought that the attackers, were from Saudi Arabia! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you believe Iraq and 9/11 were connected? Yes. The Bush administration attempted to use the attacks of 9/11 as a reason to invade Iraq. That's the connection. You walked into that punch. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Nice try. You set up the twp events/circumstances. Saying that nothing happens in vacuum is not the same as saying everything is connected. Is there a connection between the size of your penis and the rise in jellyfish populations worldwide? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Oh SNAP --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Nice try. You set up the twp events/circumstances. Saying that nothing happens in vacuum is not the same as saying everything is connected. Is there a connection between the size of your penis and the rise in jellyfish populations worldwide? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I guess the wisecrack (which I admit I don't get) was a way for you to avoid facing what you said. Oak asked me about Charlie Wilson's War, and I said I wouldn't go becaue it tries to make a connection between Reagan and 9/11 (how stupid). In response you said nothing happens in a vacuum. I asked you if you believe a connection between Iraq and 9/11. You said tenuous at best (I'd like to hear your explanation of the tenuous connection). Ergo - you admit that some things do happen in a vacuum; they aren't connected. If you still believe the Nothing happens in a vacuum theory, then I point out to you that the rise in Global Warming correlates to there being fewer Pirates in the world: http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001857.php That concludes today's lesson on the difference between causation and correlation. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Then I guess some things happen in a vacuum and are not connected; contrary to your original point. Nice try. You set up the twp events/circumstances. Saying that nothing happens in vacuum is not the same as saying everything is connected. Is there a connection between the size of your penis and the rise in jellyfish populations worldwide? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
Islamofascists from Saudi Arabia. Islamofascists are in many countries - even mine: http://tinyurl.com/2q8l8s That's why we have to kill them before they kill us. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that the attackers, were from Saudi Arabia! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Pogo: We have met the enemy and he is us when we succumb to jingoistic oversimplifications. In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:29:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Islamofascists from Saudi Arabia. Islamofascists are in many countries - even mine: _http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.com/2q8l8s) That's why we have to kill them before they kill us. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pogo: We have met the enemy and he is us when we succumb to jingoistic oversimplifications. So now you compare Americans to the Islamofascists that want us dead? That's revolting. Tell it to this guy: http://tinyurl.com/2w2bmo Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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86 the So now you schtick which is a classic gowhackanoggin distraction. In a message dated 12/27/2007 6:54:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So now you compare Americans **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I got to La Shawn Barber and stopped reading. http://tinyurl.com/2slsb3 On Dec 27, 2007, at 6:29 PM, justifiedright wrote: Islamofascists from Saudi Arabia. Islamofascists are in many countries - even mine: http://tinyurl.com/2q8l8s That's why we have to kill them before they kill us. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that the attackers, were from Saudi Arabia! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I'm not clear Dan: You do believe there was an Iraq-9/11 connection or you don't? Prior to us invading? Tenuous at best. Whatever connection there may be it was not necessary for us to invade. We should have kept our eye on Afghanistan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the wisecrack (which I admit I don't get) was a way for you to avoid facing what you said. Oak asked me about Charlie Wilson's War, and I said I wouldn't go becaue it tries to make a connection between Reagan and 9/11 (how stupid). In response you said nothing happens in a vacuum. I asked you if you believe a connection between Iraq and 9/11. I don't play 3 card monte. You switched the events. The first post proffered a connection between Reagan and 9/11. You substituted Iraq for Reagan. My post about a vacuum was a response to the first. Having neither seen the movie or the documentary I don't know the connection it alludes to. However, not totally ignorant of history, I assume it refers to our arming of the mujahadeens and the Taliban in Afghanistan against the Ruskies. While not blaming US for 9/11, it is ignorant to believe that our choices do not have consequences, many times unforeseen ones. Other times, ones that should easily be foreseen, for instance, what would occur once you dethroned Saddam. Sufficient evidence of a connection between Iraq and 9/11 has not been presented. Yet while not placing blame, it is only foolish to think that our actions in the Mideast over the past 4 decades has not contributed to the conditions that made 9/11 if not probable, at least possible. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS.. Tommy, go see Charlie Wilsons War I saw the Documentary on the History Channel yesterday. Really interesting. Loved it. I object to the movie's eventual tie-in to 9/11 (it's America's fault that the Taliban took over Afghanistan, therefore, America caused 9/11). People are upset with the alleged attempt of the Bush administration to tie Iraq to 9/11. I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: PS.. Tommy, go see Charlie Wilsons War I hear the movie tries to tie the Reagan Administration to 9/11 with the above argument in the end. How stupid. Won't plop down my $8 just because of that. It does bring you back to that. In the beginning, there is a scene with a problem with the ACLU and a nativity scene at a firehouse in his home distric in texas thought of you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza / AP front page of today's Star Ledger
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, John C. LiDestri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news- 12/1197440355201690.xmlcoll=1 One of the big issues is NOT to allow it to be redesigned in such a way you wind up with something that looks like Asbury Towers. They have to lower the entry costs and rethink the 3 packages they offered which weren't that special to begin with for a million $ buyer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
in AP as in Hoboken and JC. What is the difference between Metro projects in AP, Hoboken and JC? Partners. What you didn't get invited to the Ivanka Tramp Jewelery show at The JC trump towers?? I would of gone for the fun of it and a shot. Apparently about 100 people showed up. That was Nov 27. The difference is not partners, it buying as an alternative to NYC and still getting in in 15-20 minutes. Different field. I;ve had people from JC/Hoboken looking for their weekend hangout. Hob/JC is still a great choice for those working in those cities or NYC. Bring in one or two high profile companies into AP or Neptune where 2000 workers salaries are above 60k per year... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I just got Trump Condos a $60m reduction in assesments ($10M in taxes). But get an invite? That calls for a piece of her collection, that is a piece of jewelery collection. The fact remains that Paramount, Kush and Metro all agreed to pay the price to play. Kush was in the right time, just came up with an ugly design (to pack in the units to hopefully cover the playing costs) and for some reason unknown... coudln't deliver units on schedule. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you didn't get invited to the Ivanka Tramp Jewelery show at The JC trump towers?? I would of gone for the fun of it and a shot. Apparently about 100 people showed up. That was Nov 27. I just got Trump Condos a $60m reduction in assesments ($10M in taxes). But get an invite? The difference is not partners, it buying as an alternative to NYC and still getting in in 15-20 minutes. Different field. Absolutely, but what I am telling you is that it is the same credit crisis. And it is not about selling out because even if the units in the ESP sold out quickly, and 70 out of 224 ain't bad thus far, it is doubtful that Dean could break even. The costs in Hoboken and JC are just as high. Everyone is experiencing the run up in costs. And those are union construction jobs. You know what those costs are WITHOUT LAND? $700/sf hard and soft. Going up everyday with the higher cost of financing. Its Partners. Dean was stupid to agree to 7%. Paramount and Wesley only had to give them 5%. Even that is bad. It is Partners because it controls the entire area. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other differences between Hoboken/JC and AP besides the partners. The markets in JC and Hoboken are better. And Metro Homes' two projects in JC, Trump Tower and Gulls Cove, are much closer to completion. Just wanted to add that perspective. Best, P Consider the following from the story in APP: Geibel said Metro Homes is not stopping construction or sales or any of its other projects, including the huge Trump Plaza Jersey City condominium project. Metro and partner Donald Trump are the builders. Firstly, Trump puts in nothing but his name. It is the same credit crisis in AP as in Hoboken and JC. What is the difference between Metro projects in AP, Hoboken and JC? Partners. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other differences between Hoboken/JC and AP besides the partners. The markets in JC and Hoboken are better. And Metro Homes' two projects in JC, Trump Tower and Gulls Cove, are much closer to completion. Just wanted to add that perspective. Paul I respect that you make your money from real estate like I do. Can you honestly make the assessment that Asbury Partners and our deal with them is helping the redevelopment in this city? The faster that you and others come to the realization that they are a hinderance and bring forebearance upon the city to do something about it, the faster we will get where we want to be. A couple of weeks ago I went to a function held by a client of mine, the Durst Organization. They built 4 Times Square and are building the 2.1M sf Bank of America Tower on 6 Ave. I do all their work. A young man who works for them came up to me and said he knew me from AP. He nows works for Durst but used to work for Partners and heard me speak at council meetings. Now seeing what real development and developers are about he realizes what I was saying at those meetings was true. I do this for a living. I get paid a lot of money to do it. I hope this all blows over. But I fear as I always have, that Partners is and will continue to be an albatross around our necks. They and Aaron must go or be put on a leash. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
The dead live on: ..On the severely depressed west side of town, where the first construction in 16 years took place a year ago with the completion of six town houses, Mr. Addeo said that the city now hoped to build a mix of 60 attached and detached homes. They would be on a five-acre urban- renewal site long Lake Avenue, west of Memorial Drive, and would be priced at less than $80,000 each. The city, he said, should be making a decision within weeks on a developer for the project. Currently, two are in the running: the Harris Development Corporation of Newark and the Urban Home Ownership Corporation, a nonprofit group based in New York City. 1987. 2007 -1987 -- 20 years. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I don't necessarily disagree with you about Asbury Partners. And I smiled when you wrote we have ourselves. I completely agree. Clearly the city and the council can no longer allow boardwalk redevelopment to run on autopilot. Too many variables in the marketplace have changed. The course needs adjusting. A lot of dust needs to settle before new opportunities will be uncovered in the wreckage. Sometime in January, I would like the council to give us a State of the Boardwalk Address to let us know where redevelopment stands and to show us where they plan to take the city from here. Meanwhile, I hope you and other smart people like you will continue to speak your minds. You've been making a strong case against Asbury Partners and I think more and more people are coming around to your point of view. Being a member of the Asbury Park city council has to be one of the toughest jobs going. Most of these guys have full time jobs and families to support on top of their council responsibilities. They need all the help and support they can get. Best, Paul --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: There are other differences between Hoboken/JC and AP besides the partners. The markets in JC and Hoboken are better. And Metro Homes' two projects in JC, Trump Tower and Gulls Cove, are much closer to completion. Just wanted to add that perspective. Paul I respect that you make your money from real estate like I do. Can you honestly make the assessment that Asbury Partners and our deal with them is helping the redevelopment in this city? The faster that you and others come to the realization that they are a hinderance and bring forebearance upon the city to do something about it, the faster we will get where we want to be. A couple of weeks ago I went to a function held by a client of mine, the Durst Organization. They built 4 Times Square and are building the 2.1M sf Bank of America Tower on 6 Ave. I do all their work. A young man who works for them came up to me and said he knew me from AP. He nows works for Durst but used to work for Partners and heard me speak at council meetings. Now seeing what real development and developers are about he realizes what I was saying at those meetings was true. I do this for a living. I get paid a lot of money to do it. I hope this all blows over. But I fear as I always have, that Partners is and will continue to be an albatross around our necks. They and Aaron must go or be put on a leash. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a member of the Asbury Park city council has to be one of the toughest jobs going. Most of these guys have full time jobs and families to support on top of their council responsibilities. They need all the help and support they can get. You understand I am not giving them a whipping in this? We are where we are and I am trying to give them advice on how we get from here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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No, you have been very constructive! Wish I could say the same of some others on this board. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail vailpj@ wrote: Being a member of the Asbury Park city council has to be one of the toughest jobs going. Most of these guys have full time jobs and families to support on top of their council responsibilities. They need all the help and support they can get. You understand I am not giving them a whipping in this? We are where we are and I am trying to give them advice on how we get from here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza
I'll second that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a member of the Asbury Park city council has to be one of the toughest jobs going. Most of these guys have full time jobs and families to support on top of their council responsibilities. They need all the help and support they can get. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza - Branding
All I want to do with advertising is bring traffic, said Harry Dubin, Athena director of marketing and sales. Five percent of traffic I can close. I may have to see 100 people now to sell 10 units because the subprime mess is giving me more people who don't qualify for loans. But it all comes back to marketing. So for AP, you need 1,000 to sell 1. And I don't know, maybe they sales approach is because they want ot ahve a giant orgy or something, but if I bring in some ugly couple with a million bucks, they should think about selling Oh yeah, $30k for a parking spacehow much is land worth NOW. Someone should call the tax assessor. Werner. A Typical parking space is 12x20. How many parking spaces per acre? We turn to Google, the engine that makes us look smart. We need to implant Goog in our brain, so we can mumble questions and get answers: 1. On average [in the U.S.] a new parking space has cost 17 percent more than a new car. Drivers may not realize it, but many parking spaces cost more than the cars parked in them, especially because cars depreciate in value much faster than parking spaces do...the parking supply is worth more than the vehicle stock. 2. ...Meanwhile, the cost of parking--often $50,000 per space and up-- can determine the project's financial feasibility... Go to google, type parking spaces per acre Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Esperanza - Branding
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh yeah, $30k for a parking spacehow much is land worth NOW. Someone should call the tax assessor. Werner. A Typical parking space is 12x20. How many parking spaces per acre? We turn to Google, the engine that makes us look smart. We need to implant Goog in our brain, so we can mumble questions and get answers: In doing parking lots we figure about 325-350 sf per space to account for lanes, etc. Put a zero after that price for a space in Manhattan or hot places in Brooklyn. The market rent for a transient parking garage almost anywhere in Manhattan is $4,000-$6,000 per annum per space. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: esperanza
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True. Those were the only aboptable matters as they were the only matters reviewed by the Planning Board. The June draft wasn't. Clarification. Only the March 15 version was actually marked DRAFT. The later June 5 version was not. Perhaps the recordings of the meetings will tell if you are right or wrong about that. Jim Bruno said he heard Aaron say something to that effect on A tape. I also heard that Shields went and listened to the June 5 tape and also heard Aaron say that. So for the moment, assume Aaron said that they could not adopt the June 5 version. 1) Was he correct? and 2) Why was the June plan submitted to the state and touted as the PLAN for 3 years? To the first, it remains to be seen if Aaron is correct. For the second, I know, -- clerical error. Is that the pat excuse in this town? How about you as a defense attorney make such an error in filing the wrong brief for my stay of execution? Until proven otherwise, I don't have a reason to doubt what Mr. Aaron said. In my opinion the latest amendment to the plan is the March draft with the changes as outlined in the ordinance on June 5. Where is that version Tom? Do you have a copy? Your answer sounds like it came from official lips. Why do you exclude that the planning board changes, some of which were abopted in the ordinance, are the clarifications you speak of? Because what I am saying is that simple clarifications that are not substantive changes do not need go through further review. The acceptions/rejections of the planning board recommendations of course don't have to go back for review. It is also my belief that the June version (a Draft can't by definition be adopted) doesn't contain all of the changes accepted/rejected from the planning board review. None of it is the plan. Respectfully you are mixing up important words and that makes it confusing to talk about. There is only one plan and that is the 1984 plan. We are still using it. It was amended in 1989 and again in 1991. The latest amendment consists of the March draft and the June 5 ordinance, both of which now are properly referred to as the June 5 2005 amendment. For clarity we should call that other, unadopted document the June 5 draft. Tom, it is not me that is mixing up words. They are all called plans. I didn't start this and I think I have been extremely clear. And in fact, I have been using VERSION to identify which PLAN is supposed to be the official one. Yours is one interpretation. Another is that if the origninal plan says 10 and 16 stories and I later build 10 and 16 stories, I've finished it no matter if I had to take a step back first or not. Tom, the original plan, if you mean 1984, was amended, then most recently by the new controls put into the March or June plan, which ever you prefer.The controls for the waterfront blocks including C-8 are 3 stories on Ocean, 4 stories mid-block and 8 stories on Kingsley. That can only be overridden on C-8 if they are able to FINISH the project. Clearly, the clarification in the June version makes explicit what was implicit in March. Don't emulate Clinton. Youa re going argue what is means? It certainly could be your third yet unenumerated choice of a clerical error. The sanction you suggest may be excessive considering there seems to be no harm done as far as I can tell. Crooks? Idiots? I say they are neither. I hope you never prove me wrong. Tom, believe me, I have only begun to scratch the surface. Aaron is in deep. The city has been getting advice in the best interests of Azbury Partners. It was I'm not saying that you are wrong, I just didn't know that was the case. Seems odd that we only have NJ subdevelopers if it was truly shopped across the fruited plain. You may inadvertantly be giving credit to them that may not be due. You don't know people from around the country have either bought or considered buying condos here based upon the plan that was disavowed? I object to the limiting choices in the question, Your Honor! ;-) Your objection is overruled counselor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: esperanza
It is simply a clerical error. The Planning Board reviewed an amendment to the plan dated March 2002. That is the official amendment that the Council voted on in June 2002. There is a separate document dated June 2002. It was not looked at by the planning board, nor did the City council ever vote on it. After the city got done selling its copies of the March amendment, apparantly the City clerk started using the copies of the June amendment, not realizing it was different. The whole thing was meaningless until the DEP reviewed the June amendmnent to issue the permit to build on the beachfront, which of course is not the official amendment. The March and June amendments are almost identical. The DEP will simply reconsider the parts that are different, allow a period of public comment and the March amendment will be re-ratified by the council. The whole thing is just a clerical error and really won't amount to a hill of beans in the long run. C8 will be built to the 10 and 16 story specs as outlined in the March amendment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does everyone think about the esperanza news? so the redevelopemtn is being run using an older plan, not the one that was sopose to be used. and the one thats being used today, is missing the information regarding c8? where if it should come down, only an 8 story building could be built in its place? is that accruate, or no? if no, can someone post a short simple reply explaining. i think the esperanza will be built the way it was intended to be. but if there going to paly by the rules, the i think an 8 story building should be bult there, to match the height of the berkely, which is also 8? or close to it. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
