[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
This thread is about something that matters to the people who were participating in it. there are threads that i am uninterested in, don't understand or am bored by. i ignore them. who am i to, in any way suggest that the thread shouldn't be happening for ANY reason? who am i to express my boredom at a conversation happening between anyone? perhaps you don't like to debate, discuss and try to understand sticky issues and the people involved in them. obviously others do. people should always be free to express themselves and have the conversations they choose to have. it seems there is always someone here complaining about what is discussed here. you get criticized if its not about ap, bore people when it is. and the complaints usually come from people who rarely participate. sorta like people who stand on the perimeter of a dance floor criticizing the dancers as they stand there, barely able to tap a toe. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, juicy jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that this discussion board was a nice place to keep up on current events and also to talk, discuss, and debate things that matter to all of us, in a city, that we all chose to live in...But instead these debates go on for days, with the same 6 people, that tend to attack each other on this forum..It feels more like a gossip column that most people dont understand..Thats whats boring.. And as far as your rape statement, and for calling out the Lanes, you should just ask me what the film was, and I would have let you know that if you saw something that looked like rape on the screen that offended you, it would have been taken off the screen. Bands tend to bring films that fall into the genre of B films, or off the wall artsy things..We do not censor what they chose, and if anyone, complains, of course we take it off. If you did in fact know me, or anyone that works at the Lanes, you would know how silly your paragraph was..Now I am boring myself.. Thanks for the perspective! xoxo Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Is this Juicy Jen from the lanes? Funny you should bring up rape. Last year some time I was at the lanes watching a band, and on the screen behind the band you guys were showing clips of rape scenes. It was really strange. I was exhausted so I wasn't reacting, but I remember thinking wow, if i had been raped, this would be really disturbing to me. Pretty sure a woman who was there complained. I saw her talk to some of the women there and the film was changed. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be ok with footage like that shown in a place I worked or ran. Sorry this discussion has bored you. It does get that way. I just like to get to the bottom of things, like why does Tommy try to divert potential discussions of the city budget into personal brouhahas. What would you like to talk about since we are boring you? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, juicy jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow- Snore..snore..wake us up when we are back to talking about things that matter to the 75% of the people that are on this group.. Columbus and his men raped the Indians,our land, and left us with syphilis and the fact that we celebrate a day after him is bizarro..And I dont have to have years of education to figure that out..And the fact that someone will speak their mind about it, should be commended..and will hopefully change things, cuz lord knows that Asbury Park needs to spend money on a celebration for such an amazing man that we all knew and loved and did sooo much for all of us..give me a break! Can we move on and talk about more important things like which came first, the chicken or the egg.. xoxo sweet dreams- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Juicy Jen don't sweat it I think the discussion has ended. Sorry it bored you. To me the real topic was the claims of those on this board that they are in Asbury Park because of a great respect for diversity and tolerance for people who belong to groups other than they do. I learned a great deal about those who post here regarding those claims. I'll keep in mind always what I learned here about watching them try to put those ideas in practice, contrary to the flowery language they type when they discuss diversity and tolerance in the abstract. I don't want to start a conversation with you about Columbus, but since you opined, please do some reading about a guy named de Bobadilla. The bad stories of Columbus came from him - Columbus' enemy who wanted Columbus' job as Governor. His claims were first accepted (after his full 2 week investigation) but then debunked 500 years ago. Folks who want Columbus to look bad have resurrected his debunked claims. They bury in a footnotes that the claims were debunked 500 years ago. By the way are you the Juicy I get emails from to come to her art gallery on Cookman? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, juicy jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow- Snore..snore..wake us up when we are back to talking about things that matter to the 75% of the people that are on this group.. Columbus and his men raped the Indians,our land, and left us with syphilis and the fact that we celebrate a day after him is bizarro..And I dont have to have years of education to figure that out..And the fact that someone will speak their mind about it, should be commended..and will hopefully change things, cuz lord knows that Asbury Park needs to spend money on a celebration for such an amazing man that we all knew and loved and did sooo much for all of us..give me a break! Can we move on and talk about more important things like which came first, the chicken or the egg.. xoxo sweet dreams- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just like to get to the bottom of things, like why does Tommy try to divert potential discussions of the city budget into personal brouhahas. Gabbi, when you first proposed a discussion on the City budget a few weeks back, I was the only one who responded. I discussed mandated vs discretionary spending. I was the only one who responded and tried to further your discussion. THE ONLY ONE! How in the world then do I go from being the only one who responded, to your quote above that I'm trying to avoid it? I like you here and think you are a fun read. Are you becomming a full blown JR hater like the other Aposltes? Are you, Mary M? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Well perhaps they don't exist in your world mike. all I know is i couldn't have voted 100 years ago. i can now. that to me proves we are moving to greater and greater fairness and equality. its a process, will probably never be an end point. but it matters to me and I hope i treat people fairly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is fairness like equality? Neither exist in the real world. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again) To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:19 PM Tommy you are hilarious. you do exactly what you accuse others of, which is actually a pretty common human foible. its called projection. why not have the discussion center on the celebrations and whether/how they should be supported by public funds/administratio n and get to a sense of fairness, instead of prodding at Keady. you watch too much Fox. check out some writing on non violent communication or Physicist David Bohm's book On Dialogue. Attorney speak has its value in a courtroom, not in a community like this. Keady's position seems pretty clear. he is against the funding of both celebrations which makes sense considering the financial state of AP. Like me buying a 30$ bottle of wine. His desire to have more truth told about Columbus is completely reasonable and doesn't suggest it go away. you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
I would NEVER be a hater of JR. I took your answer as sort of flippant. And what I need is a serious education on the budget. I also see no reason why it can't be presented in an accessible manner. I don't think its as simple a discussion as you suggest. I think there is an argument for going over the spending line by line...or at least by department. maybe im wrong. but if the city keeps have debt year after year, the taxpayers are going to have a serious problem. and you weren't the only one. someone emailed me privately. I truly do see your side in the whole kwanzaa/colmbus/christmas thing. imo you seem to get hung up on personal offenses is all. the budget is clearly more important than keady and your personal causes. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: I just like to get to the bottom of things, like why does Tommy try to divert potential discussions of the city budget into personal brouhahas. Gabbi, when you first proposed a discussion on the City budget a few weeks back, I was the only one who responded. I discussed mandated vs discretionary spending. I was the only one who responded and tried to further your discussion. THE ONLY ONE! How in the world then do I go from being the only one who responded, to your quote above that I'm trying to avoid it? I like you here and think you are a fun read. Are you becomming a full blown JR hater like the other Aposltes? Are you, Mary M? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Is fairness like equality? Neither exist in the real world. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again) To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:19 PM Tommy you are hilarious. you do exactly what you accuse others of, which is actually a pretty common human foible. its called projection. why not have the discussion center on the celebrations and whether/how they should be supported by public funds/administratio n and get to a sense of fairness, instead of prodding at Keady. you watch too much Fox. check out some writing on non violent communication or Physicist David Bohm's book On Dialogue. Attorney speak has its value in a courtroom, not in a community like this. Keady's position seems pretty clear. he is against the funding of both celebrations which makes sense considering the financial state of AP. Like me buying a 30$ bottle of wine. His desire to have more truth told about Columbus is completely reasonable and doesn't suggest it go away. you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
I'm busting my gut, over here! LOL! Asbury Park, do or die! You are too hilarious! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/12/2008 4:18:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: I was certain He an his Apostles would not address the issue directly. No need to announce up front that you aren't. Always hoped that I'd be an apostle. Knew that I would make it if I tried. Then when we retire, we can write the Gospels, So they'll still talk about us when we've died. == Cool. Then we can choose another apostle whose successors can pontificate, claim infallibility, and periodically, in the AP Press, declare liberal theology to be a heresy. And those who break the rules will have to wear hairshirts and self-flagellate daily at Press Plaza for 60 days. And if anyone deviates from official dogma, an Inquisition will be held at municipal court. All those found guilty will be burned at the stake on the beach in conjunction with the city's next fireworks celebration. We will demand tithes from all and declare ourselves a tax-exempt entity. We will open a storefront and use RLUIPA against any heathens who try to restrict us to zoning laws. Instead of Bingo, we will play Whack-a-Mole (a modern version of stoning) at the VFW but more frequently online. We will canonize Tillie and Madam Marie and erect statues to them on public property because they are part of our cultural history. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol? redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html? ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
I thought that this discussion board was a nice place to keep up on current events and also to talk, discuss, and debate things that matter to all of us, in a city, that we all chose to live in...But instead these debates go on for days, with the same 6 people, that tend to attack each other on this forum..It feels more like a gossip column that most people dont understand..Thats whats boring.. And as far as your rape statement, and for calling out the Lanes, you should just ask me what the film was, and I would have let you know that if you saw something that looked like rape on the screen that offended you, it would have been taken off the screen. Bands tend to bring films that fall into the genre of B films, or off the wall artsy things..We do not censor what they chose, and if anyone, complains, of course we take it off. If you did in fact know me, or anyone that works at the Lanes, you would know how silly your paragraph was..Now I am boring myself.. Thanks for the perspective! xoxo Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady Ouch, ouch! Bitch slap on both cheeks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. I am not addressing the substance of the issues or who is wrong or right. All I am saying is you got bitch slapped real good twice. Tom, what's the difference? Have you hit the Lotto recently? Christmas, Winter, Kwanzaa, Columbus - we got more problems than that my boy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was certain He an his Apostles would not address the issue directly. No need to announce up front that you aren't. Always hoped that I'd be an apostle. Knew that I would make it if I tried. Then when we retire, we can write the Gospels, So they'll still talk about us when we've died. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not addressing the substance of the issues or who is wrong or right. All I am saying is you got bitch slapped real good twice. Tom, what's the difference? Have you hit the Lotto recently? Christmas, Winter, Kwanzaa, Columbus - we got more problems than that my boy. I was certain He an his Apostles would not address the issue directly. No need to announce up front that you aren't. If you define Bitch Slap as Him having thrown biting personal insults, He may take His victory lap. He's on field of play I have not stepped on, nor will I, no matter how much he plays there. His insults to me now are no different than His reaction when this issue first arose two years ago, when He called my house and cursed at me. That's His style, and how He treats a voice who disagrees with him. You are free to support it. I understand your point that you don't feel the issue is important. What I don't understand is how you could fail to see that it is important to me. Assume he had screamed from the dais that the Pride Parade was exclusionary and the folks running it should change the name of it so as not to insult straight people. I'm not gay, but I would understand their outrage. I'd never add to their insult by denying the Councilman said what he said. So how about those beachfront lights? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Tommy you are hilarious. you do exactly what you accuse others of, which is actually a pretty common human foible. its called projection. why not have the discussion center on the celebrations and whether/how they should be supported by public funds/administration and get to a sense of fairness, instead of prodding at Keady. you watch too much Fox. check out some writing on non violent communication or Physicist David Bohm's book On Dialogue. Attorney speak has its value in a courtroom, not in a community like this. Keady's position seems pretty clear. he is against the funding of both celebrations which makes sense considering the financial state of AP. Like me buying a 30$ bottle of wine. His desire to have more truth told about Columbus is completely reasonable and doesn't suggest it go away. you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady james.keady@ wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
WAHHH! On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:04 PM, justifiedright wrote: Mr. Keady, your rhetorical game is clear. Your entire post is personalizing about you and me. You speak in laudatory terms about yourself and malign me. The issue, however, is again completely ignored. Your Apostles can yell Bitch Slap and Oh Snap all they wish, but neither of them will address the issue either. I judge you on positions you take. I have supported some of those positions at times, and quite publicly. But your ledger is one sided. You'll never credit the times I've supported you, and you will personalize against me when I disagree with a policy. So I'll state the issue again, on the sliver of hope that you or one of your Apostles will dare address it: I understand that you object to Columbus Day and Kwanzaa on the basis that you think the City should not expend public resources on either. My disagreement with you aside, at least you are consistent. My complaint about you is this: You put your lengthy public stance on the record each year against Columbus Day, which is reported in the paper, on the basis that Columbus did bad things, and you insist that information should be taught that day. You do not put a lengthy public stance against Kwanzaa on the record. You do not insist insist that as people celebrate that week, they should teach about the disgusting crimes of Ron Karenga - Kwanzaa's founder. It is on that ISSUE that you suffer hypocrisy. The different treatment is about votes, no matter how much you deny it. I take it I don't have to respond to the probing, thoughtful analysis of the issue provided by your Apostles in the form of Bitch Slap and Oh Snap. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno: You wrote: The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. While you may make political decisions based on vote calculations and encourage those you support to do the same, I do not. I have always and will continue to do my homework on an issue, ask relevant questions regarding that issue, then vote my conscience. If you want someone who changes his mind based on which way the political wind is blowing and how it might impact votes, I am not your guy. If you want someone like that, you may want to continue to support your party's most recent Presidential candidate. It is clear that more than once in my tenure on City Council I have upset some of my most strident supporters for decisions I have made from the dais. I was not elected to make sure that I keep everyone happy. I was elected to try and execute the platform on which I ran, to be a responsible steward of taxpayer dollars, and to uphold the laws of our nation, our state and our city, and this what I have done to the best of my abilities. Mr. Deseno, you have never, nor do I imagine you will ever, be a supporter of mine. And believe me, I do not mind that as I find your politics short-sighted and self-serving, your tactics intellectually barbaric, and your demeanor two-faced at best. Having said that, I hope you enjoy the rest of the day. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. Amen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
Mr. Keady, I've stated your position (as have you) being oppostion to public funding for both events enough times that it is understood by now in all the posts on the topic. You are setting up a Red Herring for people to chase so you don't have to address the real issue. You get your name in the paper every year with your objection to Columbus day by railing against if from the dais. Lots of publicity for your opinion on the matter. You don't do that for Kwanzaa. The reason is you fear no loss of votes over Columbus, so you let your bigotry toward that cultural identification fly in public. You fear loss of votes over Kwanzaa, so you make your objection to Kwanzaa only in the proverbial smokey back room. Your excuse that you simply wish to have bad stories told of Columbus in the day's events rings untrue, becuase you don't similarly ask that folks examine the crimes of torture by Ron Karenga to their Kwanzaa celebration. Such a suggestion would be as stupid against what Kwanzaa celebrates as it is when you make it against Columbus. Stop focusing on me and focus on your differing treatment of the two events, and the people who celebrate them. Or take your Apostle's advice and stop posting. It's only making you look bad. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Deseno, In a recent email, you wrote: He opposes both the Columbus and Kwanzaa celebrations (which you and I support). That is a lie. I do not oppose the Columbus or Kwanzaa celebrations. I oppose taxpayer dollars being spent on these events, they should be financed by private groups. Your attempts to consistently distort facts and to malign people's character is grossly transparent. Peace, Councilman Jim Keady Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His desire to have more truth told about Columbus is completely reasonable and doesn't suggest it go away. you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. You forgot the comparison to His treatment of the story of Karenga. Just can't bring yourself to get to the part where He is wrong, can you Mary? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
In a message dated 11/12/2008 4:18:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was certain He an his Apostles would not address the issue directly. No need to announce up front that you aren't. Always hoped that I'd be an apostle. Knew that I would make it if I tried. Then when we retire, we can write the Gospels, So they'll still talk about us when we've died. == Cool. Then we can choose another apostle whose successors can pontificate, claim infallibility, and periodically, in the AP Press, declare liberal theology to be a heresy. And those who break the rules will have to wear hairshirts and self-flagellate daily at Press Plaza for 60 days. And if anyone deviates from official dogma, an Inquisition will be held at municipal court. All those found guilty will be burned at the stake on the beach in conjunction with the city's next fireworks celebration. We will demand tithes from all and declare ourselves a tax-exempt entity. We will open a storefront and use RLUIPA against any heathens who try to restrict us to zoning laws. Instead of Bingo, we will play Whack-a-Mole (a modern version of stoning) at the VFW but more frequently online. We will canonize Tillie and Madam Marie and erect statues to them on public property because they are part of our cultural history. **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
I only read the wikipedia blurb on Karenga. Seems like another man who had greatness and sleeze. Most do. Maybe the swings between the two extremes vary but we all ultimately have that swing. I have had men I love be total assholes, same with women. to me karenga and columbus both seem like assholes. So the Kwanzaa/Columbus brouhaha is a complete karmic wash for me. I honestly don't give a shit about either of them. I do give a shit about the right of people to celebrate something that makes them proud of who they are. I don't think they need it, but who am I? In my not humble enough opinion the only celebration the city should put any effort into is the celebration of the city. let the chamber and other orgs deal with different groups' pet celebrations. if i were one of the people with the city debt in my lap and someone started bitching to me about columbus day or kwanzaa and i was at the ugly end of my continuum i would want to say something like say what you dumb mother(*^? I got a multimillion dollar debt to think about. I got a sleazy developer that should've been gone ages ago, another developer that despite actually getting some things done people still bitch about. we totally *^%ed up the parking, the esperanza went limp, the housing market and the economy in general is STILL tanking and YOU want to talk about a couple of *^( parties? but im not. so, how much is spent on kwanzaa and how much on columbus day? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: His desire to have more truth told about Columbus is completely reasonable and doesn't suggest it go away. you seem to never be able to be satisfied with any answer that counters your desire to have something to be offended by. You forgot the comparison to His treatment of the story of Karenga. Just can't bring yourself to get to the part where He is wrong, can you Mary? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Responding to Mr. Keady's lies (again)
wow- Snore..snore..wake us up when we are back to talking about things that matter to the 75% of the people that are on this group.. Columbus and his men raped the Indians,our land, and left us with syphilis and the fact that we celebrate a day after him is bizarro..And I dont have to have years of education to figure that out..And the fact that someone will speak their mind about it, should be commended..and will hopefully change things, cuz lord knows that Asbury Park needs to spend money on a celebration for such an amazing man that we all knew and loved and did sooo much for all of us..give me a break! Can we move on and talk about more important things like which came first, the chicken or the egg.. xoxo sweet dreams- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
