[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
I wouldn't go as far as to say the design of the stump field will be the same. Just because the foundations are layed out a certain way doesn't mean the building that gets put up has to look or function the same way. The stumps site will almost certainly contain retail on Cookman (too lucrative a location now) and will likely have a different facade design then the current building. The diagonal street grids are a nightmare for planning and design, and those streets didn't do much in terms of pedestrial flow to the lake. If anything, they make the walk to the lake longer but taking you diagonally through the site. The layout now is no different than how the business district of Cookman Ave works, and much less confusion to car traffic and pedestrian flow. As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to fill out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Recall that there was a diagonal street across that block originally - The plan recommended that it be retained as a public / pedestrian thoroughfare to provide walkability between Cookman and Lake Ave and a neighborhood feel. The plan also specifies that a 'block-face' should incorporate differing architecture to alleviate visual monotony in favor of visual interest and better scale. Neither of those 2 important design criteria were met in the final product. Wesley Lake has been 'walled-off' by a building with homogeneous features. Typical of suburban development. An opportunity has been lost to use important character defining features of Asbury Park in favor of high density construction that is easy to build. The specs of the redevelopment plan were ignored. Note also that Phase 2 (the stump field) will be a replica of Phase 1. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to fill out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. Which is why I was adamant on the waterfront redevelopment advisory committee to have a mandatory requirement of a minimum percentage of frontage on Cookman as retail. All wanted pedestrians to be drawn along Cookman to betwixt Downtown and the BW but the mandatory requirement was being fought. Eventually I was able to make the committee see (thanks to Terry) that the only way to ensure some retail on Cookman was to make it mandatory. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
I attended the planning board presentations on the project and Phase 2 is to be a duplicate of Phase 1 except for a retail component along Grand Ave, with different architecture. Hopefully the Phase 2 design will be revisited. My point was that the Redevelopment Plan was largely ignored. A creative design that works with the diagonal cut throughs could have been developed. Yes it would have been more difficult, but having view corridors to the Lake and allowing light and air through the block would have been better than the monolithic barrier that resulted. The intent was not to make them vehicular paths - they were proposed as pedestrian walks with residences fronting on them. Clearly the developers interests are to maximize unit count and develop a repetitive design that can be 'mass-produced' to reduce costs. Hence - the homogeneous facade and duplicated floor plans and site plans. As it is, the Lake Ave side has no interface with the street - all the units face interior court yards. The sidewalks are extremely narrow and the entire look and feel is one of a closed / private development instead of a vibrant part of the City streetscape that encourages outdoor activities and interfaces with the lake. Community centric design that embraces public spaces and natural assets such as the lake would have been a better direction. The Phase 3 (north side of Cookman) proposal was also very poor from a community design perspective - Blank facades facing the street/sidewalk with residential units facing the interior of the block. Certainly the missing retail on Cookman is an issue - the thought at the time was to not compete with the resurgence of downtown as you commented. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@... wrote: I wouldn't go as far as to say the design of the stump field will be the same. Just because the foundations are layed out a certain way doesn't mean the building that gets put up has to look or function the same way. The stumps site will almost certainly contain retail on Cookman (too lucrative a location now) and will likely have a different facade design then the current building. The diagonal street grids are a nightmare for planning and design, and those streets didn't do much in terms of pedestrial flow to the lake. If anything, they make the walk to the lake longer but taking you diagonally through the site. The layout now is no different than how the business district of Cookman Ave works, and much less confusion to car traffic and pedestrian flow. As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to fill out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
That is good news... The same issue exists for Kingsley Street - The plan currently makes retail optional. Considering that the seasonal weather has such a large effect on Ocean Ave it would be prudent to mandate retail/ entertainment uses along Kingley which is sheltered from the harshness of the oceanfront in the off season. Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: As many have said, Wesley Grove's biggest flaw is the lack of retail on Cookman. Sounds like this problem has been realized and will be addressed come time to start building again. I would safely assume at the time it was designed, they didn't feel they would be able to lease enough retail to fill out a block, so they designed without it. Much of Cookman (and the boardwalk) was still vacant at the time and it wouldn't have made sense for them to build retail they couldn't lease. They did place one small retail bay at the corner of Cookman and Heck. Which is why I was adamant on the waterfront redevelopment advisory committee to have a mandatory requirement of a minimum percentage of frontage on Cookman as retail. All wanted pedestrians to be drawn along Cookman to betwixt Downtown and the BW but the mandatory requirement was being fought. Eventually I was able to make the committee see (thanks to Terry) that the only way to ensure some retail on Cookman was to make it mandatory. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
We all love to hate on developers but can we honestly blame them for wanting to maximize the amount they can build? At the time, the compromise to get rid of those streets wound up being a good one because it brought in more ratables than it would have otherwise. The superblock that was created to the north of Phase 1, on the other hand, is terrible planning. I recall that it was recently determined this needed to be broken up come time to develop it. Thankfully those in charge now realize what the right and wrong ways are. As for the stumps, it's almost a gaurantee that a new architect will be brought in to redesign the new building. The types of housing being designed in the early 2000's arent as marketable anymore. Couple that with the need for retail. While the footprint may or may not be the same (perhaps we'll see a similar concept of townhomes to the south, apartments to the north), the design (look, feel, and function) of the building will almost certainly be a different one. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernerapnj@... wrote: Clearly the developers interests are to maximize unit count and develop a repetitive design that can be 'mass-produced' to reduce costs. Hence - the homogeneous facade and duplicated floor plans and site plans. As it is, the Lake Ave side has no interface with the street - all the units face interior court yards. The sidewalks are extremely narrow and the entire look and feel is one of a closed / private development instead of a vibrant part of the City streetscape that encourages outdoor activities and interfaces with the lake. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
1. Thanks. I dont need more more work. Between my own tenants,internet projects and commercial real estate I'm involved with I've actually been passing leads off. But ill make time. 2. Werner is right as far as the design goes. The city had a architectural review committee. I have pics of the original proposals I think online. You can't compare the two. Look at thevibe concept. The idea for Wesley included brick and walkways. 3. The developers should bird one of the local artists to give Wesley some color. Other than that gold d for those that made investments 4.ratable? Zero tax contribution as an incentive for the developer to maximize and spur development. The benefit is who have people in town supporting. Business adding life etc. There is demand for both affordable retail and housing. By affordable. I mean for the average 2 earner income and single buyer or renter. And last I looked any color has a right to buy. It's a choice where you want to live. Many people of any color choose to live in a place for the same reason. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
1. Thanks. I dont need more more work. Between my own tenants,internet projects and commercial real estate I'm involved with I've actually been passing leads off. But ill make time. 2. Werner is right as far as the design goes. The city had a architectural review committee. I have pics of the original proposals I think online. You can't compare the two. Look at thevibe concept. The idea for Wesley included brick and walkways. 3. The developers should bird one of the local artists to give Wesley some color. Other than that gold d for those that made investments 4.ratable? Zero tax contribution as an incentive for the developer to maximize and spur development. The benefit is who have people in town supporting. Business adding life etc. There is demand for both affordable retail and housing. By affordable. I mean for the average 2 earner income and single buyer or renter. And last I looked any color has a right to buy. It's a choice where you want to live. Many people of any color choose to live in a place for the same reason. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove
1. Thanks. I dont need more more work. Between my own tenants,internet projects and commercial real estate I'm involved with I've actually been passing leads off. But ill make time. 2. Werner is right as far as the design goes. The city had a architectural review committee. I have pics of the original proposals I think online. You can't compare the two. Look at thevibe concept. The idea for Wesley included brick and walkways. 3. The developers should bird one of the local artists to give Wesley some color. Other than that gold d for those that made investments 4.ratable? Zero tax contribution as an incentive for the developer to maximize and spur development. The benefit is who have people in town supporting. Business adding life etc. There is demand for both affordable retail and housing. By affordable. I mean for the average 2 earner income and single buyer or renter. And last I looked any color has a right to buy. It's a choice where you want to live. Many people of any color choose to live in a place for the same reason. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers
I love Rollins...saw him at the paramount a few years back. Don't have a TV though Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers
Oh god I love that man. I remember watching him some time ago and I started to realize that he was lecturing. not just being funny, though he always is. he was calling us on our bullshit. yeah preaching never works. i worked in a vegan organic restaurant for years and there IS such a thing as vegetarian fascists. but we could use need a little more awareness. i think there is an inverse relationship between happiness and excessive consumption. people really think labels get them something. I was having an incredibly delicious eggplant parm pizza at mattison park over the summer and this chick stepped up to the bar, put her purse on it, and announced to my friend and i that it was Prada. we hadn't asked, or even mentioned the purse. That to me is dis - ease. the weird thing is that has happened to me before, the other time on Block Island with a Prada shoe. a chick took off her shoe, put it on the bar and announce Prada. Shit like that...or I should say my response to shit like that has given me a wicked wrinkle between my eyes. as my nephew would say what tha..? i don't know what the best way is to tell people that they are poisoning their children's environment by using the detergent they do, or wacking out their endocrine system with the lotion they use..but it's true. cheers! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers
Did he ever age or what? I should talk! I can play ME back from gray to Black hair too! Amazing, what I saw on the link provided...Food for thought and reflection. I never saw myself as old, until I look at my military ID! I have a thin me with jet black hair and a fat me with silver hair! I need a makeover! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/1/2007 1:45:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only Americans and some other westerners could need this much storage. and joke about it. Some critics call it Affluenza. I prefer those like Carlin who use humor rather than those who preach about it. If he had to choose one routine that he's most proud of, it's A Place for My Stuff, his riff on our materialistic need to accumulate. (That's what your house is, a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff!) It had such universal reach, he says. Everyone who heard it could identify strongly with it. And don't think that the founder of The Container Store wasn't listening. http://tinyurl.com/2qcvek http://tinyurl.com/2qcvek Despite the numerous container industries, there are now millions of web sites offering advice on how to unclutter one's life. And so it goes. Can't find Carlin's 2005 update, but the hallowed old routine still gives one pause. Click here: George Carlin - Stuff http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8896213084482448693 (video) Click here: Funny Stories and Jokes http://www.writers-free-reference.com/funny/story085.htm (text) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove for Downsizers
My thoughts, exactly! Great post! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh god I love that man. I remember watching him some time ago and I started to realize that he was lecturing. not just being funny, though he always is. he was calling us on our bullshit. yeah preaching never works. i worked in a vegan organic restaurant for years and there IS such a thing as vegetarian fascists. but we could use need a little more awareness. i think there is an inverse relationship between happiness and excessive consumption. people really think labels get them something. I was having an incredibly delicious eggplant parm pizza at mattison park over the summer and this chick stepped up to the bar, put her purse on it, and announced to my friend and i that it was Prada. we hadn't asked, or even mentioned the purse. That to me is dis - ease. the weird thing is that has happened to me before, the other time on Block Island with a Prada shoe. a chick took off her shoe, put it on the bar and announce Prada. Shit like that...or I should say my response to shit like that has given me a wicked wrinkle between my eyes. as my nephew would say what tha..? i don't know what the best way is to tell people that they are poisoning their children's environment by using the detergent they do, or wacking out their endocrine system with the lotion they use..but it's true. cheers! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - who screwed up there?
Anybody catch the Ledger Business page today? Big story about Kushner selling 1800 apartments, consolidate his dealings into an upscale NY- Trump wannabe. Funny thing is the story never mentions Wesley Grove - too incidental? Or does he intend to unload it as an apt. complex? Just musing here... Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So now they've been braking up all the concrete to put in the landscaping that must of been in the original plan? For some reason, the whole west side was poured concrete, then ugly planters out of brick, Now they dug all that up and are making it green and planting the courtyards. Now a complaint, an observation That's true. The cut out planters in the sidewalk were there before, but as you pointed out, they have been torn up. I don't think the end result was what they were aiming for, causing the plan to be altered. The original cut outs were curved. They looked odd to me. Not sure what shape they will be now, but i think they are much bigger. Instead of two short 5 foot cut outs, now there's one long one the full lengh of the street? Not sure exactly, we will see what happens. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - who screwed up there?
Phase 2 should be stopped somehow. There can't be another building with the same design as phase 1 right next store. thats horriable. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wesley grove phase two is accross the street from one. The trinagle lot, previous moonstruck building. How many phases are there in the project? 3? Phase three will be west of phase 1? I really hope phase 3, if that is correct, wont resemble the exact look of phase 1. I notice the pilings are in the same shape for the courtyard and diveway courtyard as phase 1. Horriable. === Phase 1 is all along Wesley Lake divided by Heck Street into 1A and 1B. 1B will be identical to the somwhat completed 1A. Phase 2 is across the street betweeen Asbury Ave and Cookman Ave. Currently a huge vacant lot created when all the existing ratables were demolished. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley grove
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove.
Went by yesterday, looks no different on the townhouse side. I saw a guy sweeping up little piles of dust in the gutter!!! Wonder what they'll say if you call back and inquire. Let me guess, closings in two weeks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey - it's been around 2 weeks. Any Co's issued? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that was true, why did they go before the planning board with phase 2? Land WITH approvals is worth a ton more then land without approvals. That's another whole way of investing - buy land or groups of properties and getting the approvals and selling off the project - without ever banging a nail. It's all political, legal and engineering costs to get the approval. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
If that was true, why did they go before the planning board with phase 2? - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 1:31:30 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been about a week since I mentioned a work standstill at Weasley Grove. Last night, I once again took a closer look. There is definitely nothing going on there. I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. Rumors months ago that they were trying to unload the whole project. Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
What the hell is Weasley Grove? The Brain Surgeon strikes again --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been about a week since I mentioned a work standstill at Weasley Grove. Last night, I once again took a closer look. There is definitely nothing going on there. I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been about a week since I mentioned a work standstill at Weasley Grove. Last night, I once again took a closer look. There is definitely nothing going on there. I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. Rumors months ago that they were trying to unload the whole project. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: It's been about a week since I mentioned a work standstill at Weasley Grove. Last night, I once again took a closer look. There is definitely nothing going on there. I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. Rumors months ago that they were trying to unload the whole project. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again? I would asume that the buyer would have to step into the shoes of Westminister. It depends on the agreements between all the different parties. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Rumors months ago that they were trying to unload the whole project. And you think people are sitting on contracts. At least not at original sticker prices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again? I said from day one,knock it down and start over. Makes Pier Village looks good and makes the bluffs in LB even better. Who knows, maybe the belmont fire should've spread. Even my daughter (now almost 17..remember when she was 12...) what the heck is that? Nice kid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think the worst part of Wesley Groves design are those courtyards on the southern side. Everything is way too close together, and everybodies windows look in on each other. No privacy at all unless you want to draw all the curtains. It's also really ugly to look at from the Ocean Grove side. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again? I said from day one,knock it down and start over. Makes Pier Village looks good and makes the bluffs in LB even better. Who knows, maybe the belmont fire should've spread. Even my daughter (now almost 17..remember when she was 12...) what the heck is that? Nice kid. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It's also really ugly to look at from the Ocean Grove side. Some genuis thought people WANT to look at the seaview towers and M K that buy now should be getting cleaned up - not a chain link fence. The whole thought process fromt he boardwalk into cookman/lake ave has to be rethinked. So wrong. Look at Moonstruck - looks at the water and the lake. Who designs something NOT to have water view? Then again, look at Northbeach. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, something is clearly causing the delay. It's that old Italian disease - funzalo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So let's say they do unload it. What happens? Does somebody else take over construction? Or do they just bulldoze the monstrosity and begin again? is that a joke? im guessing it is. clearly, the allegded buyer would continute the project. just like the c8 buyers started off with plans to reuse what they aquired. that still is a mystery to me. even after it was said that c8 couldnt be saved. they STILL used the plans for the current project that was based off the existing c8! if c8 was never there to begin with, i dont think it would have been designed the way we see it today. - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe because once they get a CO they start paying taxes. Just a thought Not sure that's the deal. I think They have to sell it to pay taxes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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if its true that a new owner of operation is coming into the picture. it would be good to start over, haha. at lest the ocean grove side. but we all know that will never happen. no developer in their right mind would tear down something brand new like that. and i doubt theyd edit it any. theres not much you can do really. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
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I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy work being done to give the impression that something is going on --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. i agree, something is clearly causing the delay. it seems like most of the work is being focused on the outside though. there for sure is work being done on the western side. new planters, the western side of the buildings sidewalks are also being worked on. work in the courtyards and driveway courtyards also. nothing is drywalled on the inside. maybe their wiating for the drywall to be delivered? the broken window could be on order also, who knows. i had a problem with one of my newly installed windows and it took 3 weeks for that one window to get here. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hinge you say work has stopped. Then someone says they are working. Now it is busy work? Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget how worng his sources are. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 3:00:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy work being done to give the impression that something is going on --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ ... wrote: I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. i agree, something is clearly causing the delay. it seems like most of the work is being focused on the outside though. there for sure is work being done on the western side. new planters, the western side of the buildings sidewalks are also being worked on. work in the courtyards and driveway courtyards also. nothing is drywalled on the inside. maybe their wiating for the drywall to be delivered? the broken window could be on order also, who knows. i had a problem with one of my newly installed windows and it took 3 weeks for that one window to get here. - - --- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
Hey, i'm just calling it like I see it. I've lived in AP in direct view of Weasley Grove for a year now. That project should've been completed by now. Every morning when I walk my dog near there, I see maybe a handful of workers, mostly doing nothing. For a project like that to take more then a year to be completed is pretty sad. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hinge you say work has stopped. Then someone says they are working. Now it is busy work? Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget how worng his sources are. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 3:00:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy work being done to give the impression that something is going on --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ ... wrote: I also noticed that the same broken windows I noticed on the ground floor weeks ago are still broken. i agree, something is clearly causing the delay. it seems like most of the work is being focused on the outside though. there for sure is work being done on the western side. new planters, the western side of the buildings sidewalks are also being worked on. work in the courtyards and driveway courtyards also. nothing is drywalled on the inside. maybe their wiating for the drywall to be delivered? the broken window could be on order also, who knows. i had a problem with one of my newly installed windows and it took 3 weeks for that one window to get here. - - --- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hinge you say work has stopped. Then someone says they are working. Now it is busy work? Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget how worng his sources are. Was I wrong about MM? Is it final and binding? Where's the announcement? What is subject to investor approval? Let me say that if I bagged an 8-pointer I'd crow about it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove definitely at a standstill
I think that the tiny amount of work being done is just a smokescreen. Busy work being done to give the impression that something is going on interesting idea, but im not sure thats the case. new developer taking over, or the same one, i think the work is going as fast as it can. the whole thing is pretty much done, isnt it? drywall, lights and floors?thats pretty much it. i think their waiting on something. (waiting for someone else to take over, or for a certain company to have time to do it. who knows!) i dont think the work being done is a smoke screen, to keep busy work. thats work that needs to be done, and this is the time when it should be done. the project seems to be going in order. very slow though. who ever it was that said a posisable new developer is taking over. whered you get that possiable information from? just wondering. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
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Dan reports that there is a rumor they are looking to bail. Lets not forget how worng his sources are. oh ok, thats the answer to the question i just asked in my last post. i think its clear their waiting on a certain company to do the drywall and interior work. EVERYTHING else possiable is being done. meaing, everything else that can be done is being done. INSTEAD of waiting around doing nothing. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
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Hey, i'm just calling it like I see it. I've lived in AP in direct view of Weasley Grove for a year now. That project should've been completed by now. Every morning when I walk my dog near there, I see maybe a handful of workers, mostly doing nothing. For a project like that to take more then a year to be completed is pretty sad. you sound like an observer. do you really have a place to stand and say that should have been done a year ago? people said teh same thing about north beach. just a month or two ago. drastic changes come, and they come fast. north beach went from looking no where near being done, a month later, totally almost being completed. its understandable people want things done, and they want them done. but thats not how things work. ANYWHERE. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
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I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my window. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, i'm just calling it like I see it. I've lived in AP in direct view of Weasley Grove for a year now. That project should've been completed by now. Every morning when I walk my dog near there, I see maybe a handful of workers, mostly doing nothing. For a project like that to take more then a year to be completed is pretty sad. you sound like an observer. do you really have a place to stand and say that should have been done a year ago? people said teh same thing about north beach. just a month or two ago. drastic changes come, and they come fast. north beach went from looking no where near being done, a month later, totally almost being completed. its understandable people want things done, and they want them done. but thats not how things work. ANYWHERE. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my window. so your coparing asbury park to projects you watched go up in nyc? i somehow think projects in nyc go up faster, just because of where their located. along with other factors. but, i could be wrong. i picture a standard project in the suburbs being a lot different then a large project in the city. things take time in general. look how long its taken the c8 site to get going? im acutally surprised people didnt start complaining about how long its taking. its been months. maybe they learned their lesson once, from what happened with the north beach project. the groudn stages take time. its not something thats as visiable as other aspects of the projects. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
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I go buy it everyday. ZIPPO happening. The sheetrock shortage was a couple years ago. Why doesn't someone stop in the sales center and ask or call. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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No, not projects in NYC, in New Jersey...in Edgewater and Cliffside Park. Not only were those projects completed faster, but they were also up against much more significant geological challenges. Edgewater is literally below Cliffside Park, which is up on top of the Palisades. There were housing projects there that needed major demolition to the rock cliffs to be done before beginning the actual construction. Maybe i'm very wrong about Weasley Grove. It just seems strange to me that it's still not finished, and there is hardly any activity going on there at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my window. so your coparing asbury park to projects you watched go up in nyc? i somehow think projects in nyc go up faster, just because of where their located. along with other factors. but, i could be wrong. i picture a standard project in the suburbs being a lot different then a large project in the city. things take time in general. look how long its taken the c8 site to get going? im acutally surprised people didnt start complaining about how long its taking. its been months. maybe they learned their lesson once, from what happened with the north beach project. the groudn stages take time. its not something thats as visiable as other aspects of the projects. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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do you have a job hingy? you need a new hobby...this board is consuming you... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, not projects in NYC, in New Jersey...in Edgewater and Cliffside Park. Not only were those projects completed faster, but they were also up against much more significant geological challenges. Edgewater is literally below Cliffside Park, which is up on top of the Palisades. There were housing projects there that needed major demolition to the rock cliffs to be done before beginning the actual construction. Maybe i'm very wrong about Weasley Grove. It just seems strange to me that it's still not finished, and there is hardly any activity going on there at all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: I absolutely have a place to say that. Prior to moving to AP, I lived in Edgewater, which is up north on the Hudson, directly across from NYC. I saw many many projects, most bigger, completed in much less time. I can't help but observe Weasley Grove. It's right outside my window. so your coparing asbury park to projects you watched go up in nyc? i somehow think projects in nyc go up faster, just because of where their located. along with other factors. but, i could be wrong. i picture a standard project in the suburbs being a lot different then a large project in the city. things take time in general. look how long its taken the c8 site to get going? im acutally surprised people didnt start complaining about how long its taking. its been months. maybe they learned their lesson once, from what happened with the north beach project. the groudn stages take time. its not something thats as visiable as other aspects of the projects. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Why doesn't someone stop in the sales center and ask or call. a ha! good idea. istead of everyone spectulating whats going on, what isnt. i'll stop in tomororw, if i get a chance. i think its too late to call now. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
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do you have a job hingy? you need a new hobby...this board is consuming you... its comments like that, that make me wonder about the world. what the hell happened. get a life. - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying
"Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about "Hardiplankfiber-cement exterior siding", add it to the mountain of crap I don'tknow; is that what Wesley Grove is using? I'm sticking with (for Charlie) the project is a quick buck,hit and run."hopefully your kidding, when you say the product is still cheap. a fast hit and run, do you ralsie how longs its taken to get the project to the point its at now? once the groudn work and foundations are done, walls and everything else go up in a matter of weeks. its not cheap, fast, or un common!! wait and see how fast the barcelona gets finshed on the outside, onces all teh framing is in place. i give it a month. is that too fast? maybe thats cheap too. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying
"Hardiplank is one of the preferred materials for some of the folks I know who are rehabbing their homes. They frequently do not use it however, because it is so expensive. If indeed Westminister is using Hardiplank then the "quick buck, hit and run" theory seems not valid."very true joe! Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove Townhouses - a fast buck project
everything statead so far about them are oppions, everyone has different ones. it doesnt mean anything is wrong with whats there, it just may not be wht you personaly would haveliked. there are a lot of people that like them (not one in particular). thepeople that are spending all the money to live in them arnt living in them, beasue its all they can afford. it means they like what they are buying, so its clear that they are notundesired as some are saying.bad mouthing them, beforeyou know anything about them. you for example skip, said you walkaed over took pictures and looked at them. then you came back on here, and bad mouthed almost every feature about them. "...then throw-up cookie cutter vinyl sided crap and the short-sighted wil applaud your good taste." you were already talking crap, of what you thought you so closley examined? there isnt any vinyl sidding present, yet you came back, telling everyone it was teh cheapest grade possiable. the fiber board that was used, happens to be one of the newest and best materials out there. its right up there with concrete waffer board. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan claims the siding to be substantial composite material, don't know what that might be (doubt Dan knows either) Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting my powers. Hardiplank fiber-cement exterior siding is a durable, attractive alternative to traditional wood composite, cedar, vinyl, brick or stucco sidings. Combining the look and warmth of natural wood with the durability of fiber-cement, Hardiplank resists damage from extended exposure to humidity, rain, snow, salt air and termites. It is dimensionally stable and under normal conditions will not crack, rot or delaminate. Hardiplank installs just as easily as natural wood siding - but offers a lifetime of low maintenance backed by a 50-year product warranty. Ideal for residential and light commercial applications, Hardiplank lap siding is available factory primed in four attractive profiles. A variety of widths provide regional design flexibility. The Benefits The Warmth of Wood, the Durability Of Fiber-Cement 50-Year Transferable Warranty Resists Moisture Damage Low Maintenance Won't Crack, Rot Or Delaminate Withstands Termite Attack Non-Combustible Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying
Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting my powers. Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about Hardiplank fiber-cement exterior siding, add it to the mountain of crap I don't know; is that what Wesley Grove is using? I'm sticking with (for Charlie) the project is a quick buck, hit and run. Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting my powers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying
At 8:38 PM + 1/31/06, Skip Bernstein wrote: Gotcha Bad Santa. I do know. See below. You are forgiven for doubting my powers. Shame on me for doubting your powers, didn't know about Hardiplank fiber-cement exterior siding, add it to the mountain of crap I don't know; is that what Wesley Grove is using? I'm sticking with (for Charlie) the project is a quick buck, hit and run. Hardiplank is one of the preferred materials for some of the folks I know who are rehabbing their homes. They frequently do not use it however, because it is so expensive. If indeed Westminister is using Hardiplank then the quick buck, hit and run theory seems not valid. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove - I doubt they know what they are buying
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardiplank is one of the preferred materials for some of the folks I know who are rehabbing their homes. They frequently do not use it however, because it is so expensive. If indeed Westminister is using Hardiplank then the quick buck, hit and run theory seems not valid. Hardiplank is a brand name for that type of material manufactured by Dura-Tech/Certain Teed, one of the largest building manufacturers. I don't know for certain if in fact Westminister is using that exact product, or if in fact there are other manufacturers of similar materials. When I examined it up close on Sunday (actually picking up some samples from a pile on the ground) that's what it appeared to be. I want to be clear just so I do not mislead anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove Townhouses - a fast buck project
"Well, that's the name of the game to make a profit. I will reserve opinion on design until I see the entire complex laid out, although I think 750 units in that area is somewhat dense and perhaps not the best use of the land from a citizens viewpoint."i agree with that. but when theres a chance to build a lot, and no ones going to stop them, it makes sence for the developes to do it. from their point of view. like said before, untill its done, ill keep my final thoughts on the project done. i dont understand bad mouthing them, when their not even done. lets see how they come out looking when their done. Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove Townhouses
"Are you sure? Because our experts STOCK TIP SKIP, Werner and a few others beg to differ."fred - the main things that have been said over the last few days were matters of opinions. claiming the roof agles were wrong, windows are too small, not layed out right, sidewalks. these are optinions, very different from what, and how something is built. Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove Townhouses
"Are you sure? Because our experts STOCK TIP SKIP, Werner and a few others beg to differ."fred - the main things that have been said over the last few days were matters of opinions. claiming the roof agles were wrong, windows are too small, not layed out right, sidewalks. these are optinions, very different from what, and how something is built. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove Townhouses - a fast buck project
a closer You can take issue with the design, grouping and the use, however, it is not true that they are being built in a substandard manner or with cheap materials. The windows are all good quality Pella exterior trim and clapboards are not aluminum or vinyl, but a substantial composite material embossed with a raised wood grain. [and my buddy Charlie] cheap buildings are built with 2 by 4s notice, how wesley lake us sing 2 by 6s, giving way for extra insulation. the windows are not cheap that fiber board that was mentioned before was used on the cookman ave remodels. Design speaks volumes of intent; you can use a few brand name products to fool most of the people some [or much] of the time, but design ought nag even the most gullible and cause them to ask `where else are these guys scrimping'? Pella's a good brand; the particular units chosen are at or near the bottom of their price list; siding of a substantial composite material is better [maybe] than vinyl and 2x6's are structurally stronger and allow for greater insulation than 2x4's, but represent roughly 10% of the cost of construction. Wesley Grove is a fast buck project of cheaply designed, run of the mill cookie-cutter townhouses. They sit on dirt acquired for $4,000/unit, it is my understanding that Kushner was/is an insider, participating in the overall profitability of Asbury Partners; whether or not, at most land cost is $70,000/unit, the harbingers of what will be the final product suggests to me construction costs of, at maximum, roughly $150/sq. ft., if the average unit is 1500 ft., we arrive at $225,000 plus land 70,000 = $295,000. Nice numbers when you can sell some of the people this crap for $6 900,000 a pop. exactly, at least someone is acutally looking at what is being built there. and not running their mouths, talking things that are not true. cheap buildings are built with 2 by 4s, leaving less room for insultation. notice, how wesley lake us sing 2 by 6s, giving way for extra insulation. the windows are not cheap, anderson would have been the cheapest way to go. that fiber board that was mentioned before, is the exact same product that was used on the cookman ave remodels. go figure, no one complained about it being used there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley Grove Townhouses
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure? Because our experts STOCK TIP SKIP, Werner and a few others beg to differ. Considering the discussion of this development over the past fews days, I decided to take a closer look myself this morning. I walked over and into the site, went in a few units and clsoely examined the construction and the materials. You can take issue wirh the design, grouping and the use, however, it is not true that they are being built in a substandard manner or with cheap materials. The windows are all good quality Pella windows and the entire exterior trim and clapboards are not alumininum or vinyl, but a substantial composite material, I think perhaps of masonry of cement base. The clapboards are embossed with a raised wood grain. Overall I believe it is good quality. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Click link to see pics
skip - remove my name and email address from your site as soon as possiable. thanks. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Click link to see pics
"Shot Wesley Lake townhouses this morning from Lake Ave.,sorry Charlie they're drek."you dont have to appologize to me, everyone has their own oppinions! and most likly, there going to be different!..and if your going to quote me, try to use the whole thing, not just the part that "looks good" "The townhouses on Wesley lake dont look too bad. Also, keep in mind when you drive down lake ave., your looking at the "back" of the townhouses. Lake ave wont be a main road, once its closed off a block outward east (assuming that still happens)."so what this is saying is, once they are completed, they wil be tucked behind the higher cookman ave condos, not asvisiable as they seem in the present.people wont bedriving in that direction as much, and you wont notice them from the cookman ave side. and for the people that drive near them to live in them, well theymost likly will like their sites, being they live in one ofthem. i dont think they look bad from the oceangrove side, they look like seperate buidlings from a distance. these are meirly oppinions, just like yours. there are plenty of people woh do like them, and some who dont. im in the middle somewhere, but my view points change often. if you read the follow up posts to this one, my first, you will see my clarification. The townhouses are already up and standing, there isnt much to be done with them now. stop making everything negative, and lets try and work with what we have here. It could have been much worse, when you look at other units you see going up around the areas. What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove
This is not correct: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The townhouses on Wesley lake dont look too bad. Also, keep in mind when you drive down lake ave., your looking at the back of the townhouses. They are guite terrible architecturally, the roof lines are too shallow, the dormers are not properly proportioned. They are all identical in design and exterior finish, commonly refered to as cookie cutter development. The townhouses effectively front on Wesley lake and have spaces between them to allow for access to parking. The buildings are in pairs, back to back, and present their sides, or ends to the Lake. No consideration was given to the esthetics presented by the Ocean Grove side of the Lake. Or how this will look from Ocean Grove. The Cookman Avenue side is not the townhomes, those will be an independent condominium development. Also very poor architecturally since the entire length along two blocks will be identical. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water
The townhouses on Wesley lake dont look too bad. Also, keep in mind when you drive down lake ave., your looking at the back of the townhouses. Lake ave wont be a main road, onces its closed off a block outward east (assuming that still happens). Terrific, Larry's joke on the water now passes mustard if it simply doesn't look too bad; guess that's been the master developers plan all along, paint the waterfront puke yellow, interspersed with cartoon graffiti characters, then throw-up cookie-cutter vinyl sided crap and the short-sighted will applaud your good taste. Pity, to think they tore down Tillie to build this shit. Click this link for an image; got to be worth a few thousand words. http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Asbury/Graphics/Timeta2.jpg --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The townhouses on Wesley lake dont look too bad. Also, keep in mind when you drive down lake ave., your looking at the back of the townhouses. Lake ave wont be a main road, onces its closed off a block outward east (assuming that still happens). - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water - APP gets in on the act
MAth help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740? They are part of the Wesley Grove project being built by Westminster Communities, which eventually could see 740 residences on several blocks. Sixty-one more residential units condominium flats and duplexes are being constructed in a four-story building behind the town houses on the Cookman Avenue side of the block. Occupancy of those units is expected beginning next fall, Westminster President Sam Gershwin said Wednesday. Prices range from the mid-$400,000s to the high-$800,000s. About a third of the units have sold, Gershwin said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water - APP gets in on the act
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAth help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740? They are part of the Wesley Grove project being built by Westminster Communities, which eventually could see 740 residences on several blocks. Sixty-one more residential units condominium flats and duplexes are being constructed in a four-story building behind the town houses on the Cookman Avenue side of the block. Occupancy of those units is expected beginning next fall, Westminster President Sam Gershwin said Wednesday. Prices range from the mid-$400,000s to the high-$800,000s. About a third of the units have sold, Gershwin said. I think 1/3 of the 61 or perhaps the 30 that are under construction. They haven't been approved for the subsequent phases yet, although I understand there was a TRC meet last night for phase 2. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water - APP gets in on the act
Math help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740? Once you dump the insider deals, 1/3 of one; and that guy is only half way there. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAth help: ??? A third of what - 61 or 740? They are part of the Wesley Grove project being built by Westminster Communities, which eventually could see 740 residences on several blocks. Sixty-one more residential units condominium flats and duplexes are being constructed in a four-story building behind the town houses on the Cookman Avenue side of the block. Occupancy of those units is expected beginning next fall, Westminster President Sam Gershwin said Wednesday. Prices range from the mid-$400,000s to the high-$800,000s. About a third of the units have sold, Gershwin said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water - APP gets in on the act
agree 100% on the inside sales. How many who purchased iuntend to live there or purchased as a hopefully flip? Had some more work completed along the o front - who at least started, you would of seen phase I sold out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water - APP gets in on the act
Had some more work completed along the o front - who at least started, you would of seen phase I sold out. And elephants would by now be flying; unfortunately, Larry isn't that kind of developer. When you pay pennies on the dollar, when all you know is drek, you build or create more of the same. With that mindset, how could he possibly have completed (hell, begun) work along the waterfront? Left to his own devices, and limited by his skill set, what you see along Wesley Lake is more likely than not the best of what's to come; I miss the Palace more and more. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agree 100% on the inside sales. How many who purchased iuntend to live there or purchased as a hopefully flip? Had some more work completed along the o front - who at least started, you would of seen phase I sold out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larry�s joke on the water - APP gets in on the act
i miss the palace building too, but its still kinda sad, how everyone only waited a few years, if that, before the trucks started rolling in. Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove
werner and the board - i agree, they dont look the best that they could have been, but they are in fact there now. the roof lines, dormers, and angles youspeak of are a matter of oppinion i think. no architect would design something that wasnt proportioined right, or look odd. i dont think the buildings deisign look bad for what they are, noting is "out of place" its posisablethe take on old style, with modern structure is whats making it look wrong to you.i dont know. when you drive down lake ave, and look at them, and then look straight foward and see the beachfront buildings, they (the townhouses) dont look like they fit in at all. it is horriable acutallly! but we also have to keep in mind, that lake ave, wont be the main road it onces was, when it is it cut off. giving the backside of the townhouses no clear driver visibiity. with the exception of a few who drive thru the development for whatever reasons.from pictures, and meetings i remember in the past. there is soppse to be a large buffer of trees along the lake, directly behind the townhouse area. with a small one way road, for utility purposes, not the wide road that is there now (i dont know if that is stillhappening from the way everything is layed out) i dont think a view from either side of wesly lake would be a probelm. the townhouses would have their tree pirvate screen, and ocean grove would have a view of townhouses and trees. not much differnt then the view asbury has of some of ocean groves condos units on the end of ocean ave. "Ultimately, Wesley Grove at Asbury Park will include approximately 750 residential units ranging in size from 1,100 to 2,650 square feet located along Wesley Lake and Cookman Avenue with views of the Atlantic and Asburys historic boardwalk. Up to 35,000 square feet of retail space will also be part of the community." i thought the front side of weslty grove, on cookman ave was part of the same project? higher units, giving space for ground floor retail, to fit in with the rest of cookman? all right, i think this post got too long. ill end it here. bye Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larry�s joke on the water
skip - what you say is a good example of why many people(not necessarily me!) accuse you of causing problems thru out the board. every response you give, usally leads to to a pointless battle (the ones that go too far off topic, and never find their way back). Im far from short-sighted. the keyword, was ment to go along the lines of, "they dont look too bad" meaning, just what it says, THEY DONT LOOK TOO BAD. they are already built, you cant take them away now. it makes sence to look at their good points, few, but there are some. its not going to help anyone or anything by saying how bad they are. how does what Westminster built have anything to do with asbury partners? asbury partners didnt come up with the plan, and they arnt the city or planning boards that approved them. Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larrys joke on the water
As I said in the past, all of cookman faces the wrong way. Cookman should be the service street, not Lake. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: wesley grove - Larry�s joke on the water
"As I said in the past, all of cookman faces the wrong way. Cookman should be the service street, not Lake."i remember a while ago when you said that. it would make sence, and seeminglyseems like a good idea. but you cant really do that, when you consider cookman ave is the only street that has its north and south sides both lined with the store space. lake ave has a good view, but aside from that,there isnt anything there. and no place to build anything new either. the only thing is to fix up the backs of the cookman ave buildings, and make themapproachable from both sides. i think a lot of the new places on cookman have donethat, but maybe not enough. maybe for safty reasons, they only really want one "main entrance" the triangle building on cookman and mattison is the same way. the mattisoin side is one blank wall, but again, youreally cant havea 2 sides store. Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
