Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.
Dear Alpana Ba, Chattisgarh was formed out of Madhya Pradesh. Capital is Raipur. http://chhattisgarh.nic.in/ Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:09:24 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14. It sure is typical of them Indians and sad to read the title - Assam getting just 13 lakhs as against over 550 crores by Chattisgarh. Then again I read this: “Asom and other States of the North-east didn’t send any project proposal to the NCDC during the last 2/3 years What has the government been doing? Going around the world asking for investment money from the few little dollars from the NRAs? BTW, where is Chattisgarh? If it was not mentioned with this news (and if Googling was not this easy), I would have thought it was in Bangladesh. And I get irritated when some/other Indians ask me where Assam is! “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass” - Lakshmana Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 23:30:49 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: [Assam] Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh NCDC funds (The Sentinel, 14.10.2007) Asom gets Rs 13 lakh against Rs 551.28 cr for Chhattisgarh NCDC funds Our Correspondent NEW DELHI, Oct 13: The eight States of the North-east, including Sikkim, got a meagre Rs 6.17 crore (Rs 13 lakh for Asom) during the fiscal 2006-07 from the National Cooperative Development Corporation (NCDC), while Chhattisgarh alone got Rs 551.28 crore, said NCDC Chairman Kantilal Bhuria while talking to newsmen here today. When asked as to why Asom got such a small amount, the NCDC Chairman said: “Asom and other States of the North-east didn’t send any project proposal to the NCDC during the last 2/3 years. The Ministry is always ready to pour in funds to the States for development projects in livestock, industrial goods, handicraft, village and rural craft, agricultural credit, rural sanitation and other sectors under cooperative societies, but if the State governments and the cooperative societies do not come forward, what can we do? My department sent several letters, but the State Government didn’t respond to our letters. Perhaps the State Government is not aware of NCDC projects.” NCDC Deputy Managing Director G Panmei, on the other hand, said that Union Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar created an NCDC cell for the North-east in New Delhi so as to ensure rapid development of the cooperative sector in the north-eastern States that get liberal assistance to the extent of 95 per cent of the project cost, including the subsidy component of 33 per cent. According to Bhuria, the north-eastern States that have been marked as special category States, get 100 per cent subsidy under the ICDP Scheme. During the fiscal 2006-07, while Chhattisgarh got Rs 551.24 crore, Andhra Pradesh got Rs 480 crore and Tamil Nadu got Rs 347 crore from the NCDC. (The Sentinel,14.10.2007) Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! Try now! Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Culture Shock?? Indian English Rock goes to England - Parikrama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORl07CZHwJoNR=1 Parikrama Rock group (started by my college [and hostel] batchmates in 1991 at Kirorimal College, Delhi featuring hosteler Sonam Sherpa ( a guy) from Kalimpong near Darjeeling , as lead guitarist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimpong . . He once talked tough to me at behest of some local collegemates when they resented my freedom of speech while communicating my heart's stirrings for a girl in my class (daughter of a fighter pilot and singer mother - Indian classical). It seems they lack some confidence when in UK playing English rock to the English crowds but there Indian performances have made them top of the heap - in college and professional rock groups - they do NOT play anyother language music except English. I found that appealing - as a form of purity. Any opinions about language and culture shocks? Umesh PS: http://www.parikrama.com/home.html earlier they only played guns n roses , deep purple , scorpians etc now it seems they have their own music. My classmate Rahul ditched them (he kept some of their guitars in my hostel room for few months - before he turned sides on the girl issue ) to become marketing manager for India for Proctor and Gamble. Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Culture Shock?? Indian English Rock goes to England - Parikrama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORl07CZHwJoNR=1 Rythm N Blues - good one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFztu7264VU UK song Parikrama Rock group (started by my college [and hostel] batchmates in 1991 at Kirorimal College, Delhi featuring hosteler Sonam Sherpa ( a guy) from Kalimpong near Darjeeling , as lead guitarist, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimpong . . He once talked tough to me at behest of some local collegemates when they resented my freedom of speech while communicating my heart's stirrings for a girl in my class (daughter of a fighter pilot and singer mother - Indian classical). It seems they lack some confidence when in UK playing English rock to the English crowds but there Indian performances have made them top of the heap - in college and professional rock groups - they do NOT play anyother language music except English. I found that appealing - as a form of purity. Any opinions about language and culture shocks? Umesh PS: http://www.parikrama.com/home.html earlier they only played guns n roses , deep purple , scorpians etc now it seems they have their own music. My classmate Rahul ditched them (he kept some of their guitars in my hostel room for few months - before he turned sides on the girl issue ) to become marketing manager for India for Proctor and Gamble. Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
*But here Nayan makes a very curious claim: That *I*, cm, have not done anything, like his govt., to bring peace to Assam. Do *I*, a foreigner, have either the resources, or the responsibility to do, ANYTHING at all for him or his state? By C Da I meant ULFA. Why I meant that should be clear to everyone. Nayan On 10/14/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O' kamal: kaleidoscopic federation. WHAT exactly is this K-fed Bapa? Are you suggesting Assam is in charge of its own destiny, making use of its best of human resources , with controls over its natural resources? Does this FED you are alluding to allow Assam to bring its best out to take care of itself? That it polity is independent? That it has controls over its finances? What kind of a voodoo federation are you speaking of? Does it really exist or is it merely a figment of some kharkhowa imagination steeped in 'bhangor jaal' ( cannabis induced torpor) :-)? Those who, on the one hand claim that Oxomiyas do not want any part of sovereignty, but on the other hand oppose a plebiscite to determine if it really is so, obviously are incapable of realizing that those who are observing silently are a bunch of morons, who can't put two ands two together to figure out what it amounts to. That, Kamal, is a highly tenuous proposition if you asked me. Infact I have gone on record saying that I am disgusted with both the Government and you (see my reply to C Da's post) because neither has done anything for peace and progress of Assam (I have not seen any results in 28 years, I have become a man from 4 months old baby). *** I agree that Nayan is one of a very few, who had the courage of his convictions to support a plebiscite., even though he slinked back to the cave he came out of when I challenged him to put his nmoney where his mouth is and raise his voice in support of a plebiscite. Instead of accepting the challenge, he put me , in his own words, ignore list, declaring he won't answer my questions. I can't imagine why, heh-heh . But here Nayan makes a very curious claim: That *I*, cm, have not done anything, like his govt., to bring peace to Assam. Do *I*, a foreigner, have either the resources, or the responsibility to do, ANYTHING at all for him or his state? Tell you what Nayan, you need to go back to your law-college texts and see if you can figure that out., about MY responsibilities here. What I do is out of the goodness of my heart :-), not because I owe you or your ilk anything. Further down I noticed that Nayan exhorted Rubi to ---Please ask Chandan Da not to barge in and write a hilarious reply to what i have written coz i won't reply then. That , by itself is quite hilarious. Does Nayan think that I have been prompting Rubi surreptitiously? And he still has not figured this out, even though I explained it in so many words: That I don't need his permission, like he does not need mine, to BARGE IN on any debate or discussion in progress in this forum. Looks like, among other things, Nayan is also afflicted with a learning disability. But , (sigh!!!) he is not alone here. I have become a man from 4 months old baby That, I must give Nayan credit for, considering that he overcame such an impossible hurdle faced by so few men :-). I don't know Nayan---you don't learn , do you? But I am 62 and patient, unlike SH. I hope you will learn, one of these years. c -da At 9:00 PM -0500 10/13/07, kamal deka wrote: Rubi Bhuyan and the people of his/her ilk must be living in a cave,totally detached from the ground realities of Assam.They are merely prodding at the body of ' *sovereignty'* without knowing what it is all about---like children at a new toy in the market showroom.Rubi Bhuyan's point of view expressed in the Assam Net is of no consequence as far as I am concerned. I respectfully disagree with Mr.Nayanjyoti Medhi's opinion,voiced in this forum in regard to holding a plebiscite in Assam focusing solely on the sovereignty issue as demanded by the ULFA,who are itching to break-up a 60-year-old kaleidoscopic federation.Why do we have to hold a referendum,buckling under the pressure of an outfit that has been outlawed by the Government ? Is Assam an exclusive preserve of the ULFA ? The right to self-determination,if allowed in Assam,would then be reduced to a series of voting exorcises,conducted every 10 years or so in order to meet the demand of the new generation,at whose whim the border of a country could be defined and redefined.It will not be very difficult to imagine the chaos,it would create in a polyglot,multi-ethnic and multi-religious state as Assam's,if such recipe were to be applied state-wide as a solution. Kamal J Deka sugarland,Texas. On 10/13/07,* Nayanjyoti Medhi* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Rubi, I thought since you have been following my postings in Assam online
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
At 11:49 PM -0500 10/13/07, kamal deka wrote: The GOI has similarly been willing to hold parleys with ULFA in order to hammer out a solution within the ambit of the Constitution.What is wrong with that ? KJD It is a surreal proposition, that's what. Its like asking, 'Please come let us talk, but not about what you have been fighting for'. Is that a deal-maker or what ? On 10/13/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big vacuum of reason here I see is this: IF, Assam's OWNERS, I mean other those who sit in Dilli , so wish for an end to hostilities and can't figure out HOW, and if ULFA, the villains, declare that they will abide by the verdict of the people for whose sovereignty they gave nearly 15,000 Oxomiya lives over 29 years, then would it NOT make eminent sense to hold one? What am I missing here? Would it be sincerity of purpose ( of a hope for peace), or is that yet another display , albeit unintended, attempt to to have it both ways? At 3:57 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: Living in a cave does not exclude the yearning or formation of wisdom as Plato would ask us to believe. The right to self-determination should not be denied to any people. But the question is: how the stage is to be assessed where a plebiscite becomes imperative. Simply because ULFA says that, should it be held? That NSCN or other outfits have claimed parts of the present Assam, should a plebiscite be held for that purpose in the disputed areas? In that case there would be no end to plebiscite and that is a very impractical thing. Then we will have to divide Assam to the size of the city states and have to decide every issue through citizens' vote! Now we have to assess whether the stage has come. I request everyone here or otherwise to find an objective measure of assessment. Moreover, could not the protagonists of secession consider building up of the opinion without training their guns on the people of Assam on the pretext of they being spies of the 'state' etc? The covert organisations always fall prey to the guiles of the 'state' they fight by killing their own due to suspicion and sometimes intra-organisational feud. Better they do things under the sun taking people as their forte rather than ineffectual guns. If the majority of the people feel that they should protect themselves with guns, I would not oppose that. But the people do not need a few to 'protect' and/or'kill' some of them on whimsy on the pleas of mistaken identity, cross-fire etc. kamal deka mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rubi Bhuyan and the people of his/her ilk must be living in a cave,totally detached from the ground realities of Assam.They are merely prodding at the body of ' sovereignty' without knowing what it is all about---like children at a new toy in the market showroom.Rubi Bhuyan's point of view expressed in the Assam Net is of no consequence as far as I am concerned. I respectfully disagree with Mr.Nayanjyoti Medhi's opinion,voiced in this forum in regard to holding a plebiscite in Assam focusing solely on the sovereignty issue as demanded by the ULFA,who are itching to break-up a 60-year-old kaleidoscopic federation.Why do we have to hold a referendum,buckling under the pressure of an outfit that has been outlawed by the Government ? Is Assam an exclusive preserve of the ULFA ? The right to self-determination,if allowed in Assam,would then be reduced to a series of voting exorcises,conducted every 10 years or so in order to meet the demand of the new generation,at whose whim the border of a country could be defined and redefined.It will not be very difficult to imagine the chaos,it would create in a polyglot,multi-ethnic and multi-religious state as Assam's,if such recipe were to be applied state-wide as a solution. Kamal J Deka sugarland,Texas. On 10/13/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Rubi, I thought since you have been following my postings in Assam online and Assamnet, You would be enlightened as to what, I as an Assamese would want for me and my fellowmen. But it saddens me because, maybe the one interacting with me and the one following my posts are probably not the same person. If both were the same person, then you would not have written this to me. Even if you ask Chandan Mahanta, he will tell you that I have been one of the few in Assamnet who has been advocating against the kiling of our own brothers and sisters. Whether it is in Bhutan, Burma, Arunachal or in their own backyards. I have even gone on record saying that there should be a plebiscite. Preferably a independent one where the Government agencies has no part/role to play. I had requested only one condition that there should be a guarantee that the people's wishes should be respected.
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? It is NOT about making some OBJECTIVE , UNIVERSAL law, that will make it BINDING on all those in violent conflicts, for whatever reason, to submit to a plebiscite. The plebiscite idea is a RESPONSE to the ULFA/Assam/ GoI conflict, because those who accept and promote Indian supremacy over Assam CLAIM that they are the majority in Assam, thus ULFA ought to disappear, in a desi-demokratic dispensation where the numerical majority is expected to run supreme on all issues. No one needs to seek a plebiscite in Nagaland, do they? On the matter of numbers of lives lost in the conflict, should it make a difference whether it is 1,000 0r 5,000 or 10 if not 15? And should it make a difference WHO are included in it? George Bush and Dick Cheney would love it so to preside over desi-demokrasy, where they wouldn't have to explain to anyone why their armies are permanently placed in the NE or Kashmir , or tell anyone how many of their own people they have killed or put in harms way, or what part of their annual outlay is and have been expended since independence in fighting these wars against their beloved brethren in Nagaland , in Assam, in Mizoram, in Manipur ,in Kashmir and PRODUCING WHAT and at WHOSE expense. Apparently democracy lovers brought up under the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy missed it altogether. Wonder WHY? At 6:34 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: As I understand it, according to Sri C. Mahanta, 15000 lives lost ( I do not know how this figure has been arrived at... whether it represents the number of ULFA cadres killed or Oxomiyas killed (including those in unintended cross-fires), whether it includes all lives lost including the non-oxomiyas) over 29 years is the objective basis making the plebiscite imperative. So, that is one measure. Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? kamal deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GOI has similarly been willing to hold parleys with ULFA in order to hammer out a solution within the ambit of the Constitution.What is wrong with that ? KJD On 10/13/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big vacuum of reason here I see is this: IF, Assam's OWNERS, I mean other those who sit in Dilli , so wish for an end to hostilities and can't figure out HOW, and if ULFA, the villains, declare that they will abide by the verdict of the people for whose sovereignty they gave nearly 15,000 Oxomiya lives over 29 years, then would it NOT make eminent sense to hold one? What am I missing here? Would it be sincerity of purpose ( of a hope for peace), or is that yet another display , albeit unintended, attempt to to have it both ways? At 3:57 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: Living in a cave does not exclude the yearning or formation of wisdom as Plato would ask us to believe. The right to self-determination should not be denied to any people. But the question is: how the stage is to be assessed where a plebiscite becomes imperative. Simply because ULFA says that, should it be held? That NSCN or other outfits have claimed parts of the present Assam, should a plebiscite be held for that purpose in the disputed areas? In that case there would be no end to plebiscite and that is a very impractical thing. Then we will have to divide Assam to the size of the city states and have to decide every issue through citizens' vote! Now we have to assess whether the stage has come. I request everyone here or otherwise to find an objective measure of assessment. Moreover, could not the protagonists of secession consider building up of the opinion without training their guns on the people of Assam on the pretext of they being spies of the 'state' etc? The covert organisations always fall prey to the guiles of the 'state' they fight by killing their own due to suspicion and sometimes intra-organisational feud. Better they do things under the sun taking people as their forte rather than ineffectual guns. If the majority of the people feel that they should protect themselves with guns, I would not oppose that. But the people do not need a few to 'protect' and/or'kill' some of them on whimsy on the pleas of mistaken identity, cross-fire etc. kamal deka mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rubi Bhuyan and the people of his/her ilk must be living in a cave,totally detached from the ground realities of Assam.They are merely prodding at the body of ' sovereignty' without knowing what it is all about---like children at a new toy in the market showroom.Rubi Bhuyan's point of view expressed in the Assam Net is of no consequence as far as I am
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
Ooops! Did I , perchance commit yet another sin of interrupting your 'mouno brot' on my questions/comments Nayan? Or was the 'mouno brot' ( vow of silence) merely a ploy to avoid answering embarrassing questions about your pronouncements, verdicts and arguments :-)? By C Da I meant ULFA. Why I meant that should be clear to everyone. *** Failing which, they must be a bunch of --- WHAT ? Anyway, that is yet another fine demonstration of a High Court Advocate's steel-trap minded observations, that I must admit. C-da is ULFA, but how? (Don't ask embarrassing questions, Nayan will not answer them.) ULFA has not done anything for Assam! But how can ULFA, being hounded by the Indian military, aided and abetted by the likes of Nayan, forcing them to resort to lungi-shelter? Have Assam's intelligentsia cooperated with them, even though they egged them on in the beginning,? Helped them set up INSTITUTIONS of governance to administer, to undertake public welfare, to enforce the law, to provide uniform and timely justice? Would an adult with half a working brain make such an argument, much less an advocate of the High Court? Are we in the twilight zone or something? More so in the light of their undying support for what passes for 'legitimate' governance and their dedication to what passes for democracy, unable to hold them accountable, unable to reform what is dysfunctional, even unable to raise their VOICES seeking response to their concerns and needs. Yes, it is yet another of Kharkhowa life's many mysteries. And demonstration of desi-logic's power, as could be seen from Asssam's best--in the Internet, in the editorials of 'respected' newspapers, from Indian intellectual giants, Indian military scholars, leading journalists, High court advocates and their lordships--the demigods of justice themselves, high and mighty politicians---you name them! Those who have heads ought to bend them in SHAME is how I see it. At 5:46 PM +0530 10/14/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote: *But here Nayan makes a very curious claim: That *I*, cm, have not done anything, like his govt., to bring peace to Assam. Do *I*, a foreigner, have either the resources, or the responsibility to do, ANYTHING at all for him or his state? By C Da I meant ULFA. Why I meant that should be clear to everyone. Nayan On 10/14/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O' kamal: kaleidoscopic federation. WHAT exactly is this K-fed Bapa? Are you suggesting Assam is in charge of its own destiny, making use of its best of human resources , with controls over its natural resources? Does this FED you are alluding to allow Assam to bring its best out to take care of itself? That it polity is independent? That it has controls over its finances? What kind of a voodoo federation are you speaking of? Does it really exist or is it merely a figment of some kharkhowa imagination steeped in 'bhangor jaal' ( cannabis induced torpor) :-)? Those who, on the one hand claim that Oxomiyas do not want any part of sovereignty, but on the other hand oppose a plebiscite to determine if it really is so, obviously are incapable of realizing that those who are observing silently are a bunch of morons, who can't put two ands two together to figure out what it amounts to. That, Kamal, is a highly tenuous proposition if you asked me. Infact I have gone on record saying that I am disgusted with both the Government and you (see my reply to C Da's post) because neither has done anything for peace and progress of Assam (I have not seen any results in 28 years, I have become a man from 4 months old baby). *** I agree that Nayan is one of a very few, who had the courage of his convictions to support a plebiscite., even though he slinked back to the cave he came out of when I challenged him to put his nmoney where his mouth is and raise his voice in support of a plebiscite. Instead of accepting the challenge, he put me , in his own words, ignore list, declaring he won't answer my questions. I can't imagine why, heh-heh . But here Nayan makes a very curious claim: That *I*, cm, have not done anything, like his govt., to bring peace to Assam. Do *I*, a foreigner, have either the resources, or the responsibility to do, ANYTHING at all for him or his state? Tell you what Nayan, you need to go back to your law-college texts and see if you can figure that out., about MY responsibilities here. What I do is out of the goodness of my heart :-), not because I owe you or your ilk anything. Further down I noticed that Nayan exhorted Rubi to ---Please ask Chandan Da not to barge in and write a hilarious reply to what i have written coz i won't reply then. That , by itself is quite hilarious. Does Nayan think that I have been prompting Rubi surreptitiously? And he still has not figured this
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
That is what makes it surreal, and not real; beyond cause and effect; beyond rationality. This is bothering common people of average intelligence; they cannot afford romanticism. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? It is NOT about making some OBJECTIVE , UNIVERSAL law, that will make it BINDING on all those in violent conflicts, for whatever reason, to submit to a plebiscite. The plebiscite idea is a RESPONSE to the ULFA/Assam/ GoI conflict, because those who accept and promote Indian supremacy over Assam CLAIM that they are the majority in Assam, thus ULFA ought to disappear, in a desi-demokratic dispensation where the numerical majority is expected to run supreme on all issues. No one needs to seek a plebiscite in Nagaland, do they? On the matter of numbers of lives lost in the conflict, should it make a difference whether it is 1,000 0r 5,000 or 10 if not 15? And should it make a difference WHO are included in it? George Bush and Dick Cheney would love it so to preside over desi-demokrasy, where they wouldn't have to explain to anyone why their armies are permanently placed in the NE or Kashmir , or tell anyone how many of their own people they have killed or put in harms way, or what part of their annual outlay is and have been expended since independence in fighting these wars against their beloved brethren in Nagaland , in Assam, in Mizoram, in Manipur ,in Kashmir and PRODUCING WHAT and at WHOSE expense. Apparently democracy lovers brought up under the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy missed it altogether. Wonder WHY? At 6:34 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: As I understand it, according to Sri C. Mahanta, 15000 lives lost ( I do not know how this figure has been arrived at... whether it represents the number of ULFA cadres killed or Oxomiyas killed (including those in unintended cross-fires), whether it includes all lives lost including the non-oxomiyas) over 29 years is the objective basis making the plebiscite imperative. So, that is one measure. Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? kamal deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GOI has similarly been willing to hold parleys with ULFA in order to hammer out a solution within the ambit of the Constitution.What is wrong with that ? KJD On 10/13/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big vacuum of reason here I see is this: IF, Assam's OWNERS, I mean other those who sit in Dilli , so wish for an end to hostilities and can't figure out HOW, and if ULFA, the villains, declare that they will abide by the verdict of the people for whose sovereignty they gave nearly 15,000 Oxomiya lives over 29 years, then would it NOT make eminent sense to hold one? What am I missing here? Would it be sincerity of purpose ( of a hope for peace), or is that yet another display , albeit unintended, attempt to to have it both ways? At 3:57 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: Living in a cave does not exclude the yearning or formation of wisdom as Plato would ask us to believe. The right to self-determination should not be denied to any people. But the question is: how the stage is to be assessed where a plebiscite becomes imperative. Simply because ULFA says that, should it be held? That NSCN or other outfits have claimed parts of the present Assam, should a plebiscite be held for that purpose in the disputed areas? In that case there would be no end to plebiscite and that is a very impractical thing. Then we will have to divide Assam to the size of the city states and have to decide every issue through citizens' vote! Now we have to assess whether the stage has come. I request everyone here or otherwise to find an objective measure of assessment. Moreover, could not the protagonists of secession consider building up of the opinion without training their guns on the people of Assam on the pretext of they being spies of the 'state' etc? The covert organisations always fall prey to the guiles of the 'state' they fight by killing their own due to suspicion and sometimes intra-organisational feud. Better they do things under the sun taking people as their forte rather than ineffectual guns. If the majority of the people feel that they should protect themselves with guns, I would not oppose that. But the people do not need a few to 'protect' and/or'kill' some of them on whimsy on the pleas of mistaken identity, cross-fire etc. kamal deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rubi Bhuyan and the people of his/her ilk
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
At 3:24 PM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: That is what makes it surreal, and not real; beyond cause and effect; beyond rationality. This is bothering common people of average intelligence; they cannot afford romanticism. How about the ABOVE AVERAGE, those who are in charge of their 'legitimate' governance, and those who put them there, by their overt or tacit support? Can they afford it? If they cannot, as I like to think they can't, WHAT HAVE THEY SHOWN for their effort to bring the conflict to an end? I mean other than to wish ULFA away or making perfunctory noises about the Govt. acting undemocratically every now and then? Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? It is NOT about making some OBJECTIVE , UNIVERSAL law, that will make it BINDING on all those in violent conflicts, for whatever reason, to submit to a plebiscite. The plebiscite idea is a RESPONSE to the ULFA/Assam/ GoI conflict, because those who accept and promote Indian supremacy over Assam CLAIM that they are the majority in Assam, thus ULFA ought to disappear, in a desi-demokratic dispensation where the numerical majority is expected to run supreme on all issues. No one needs to seek a plebiscite in Nagaland, do they? On the matter of numbers of lives lost in the conflict, should it make a difference whether it is 1,000 0r 5,000 or 10 if not 15? And should it make a difference WHO are included in it? George Bush and Dick Cheney would love it so to preside over desi-demokrasy, where they wouldn't have to explain to anyone why their armies are permanently placed in the NE or Kashmir , or tell anyone how many of their own people they have killed or put in harms way, or what part of their annual outlay is and have been expended since independence in fighting these wars against their beloved brethren in Nagaland , in Assam, in Mizoram, in Manipur ,in Kashmir and PRODUCING WHAT and at WHOSE expense. Apparently democracy lovers brought up under the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy missed it altogether. Wonder WHY? At 6:34 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: As I understand it, according to Sri C. Mahanta, 15000 lives lost ( I do not know how this figure has been arrived at... whether it represents the number of ULFA cadres killed or Oxomiyas killed (including those in unintended cross-fires), whether it includes all lives lost including the non-oxomiyas) over 29 years is the objective basis making the plebiscite imperative. So, that is one measure. Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? kamal deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GOI has similarly been willing to hold parleys with ULFA in order to hammer out a solution within the ambit of the Constitution.What is wrong with that ? KJD On 10/13/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big vacuum of reason here I see is this: IF, Assam's OWNERS, I mean other those who sit in Dilli , so wish for an end to hostilities and can't figure out HOW, and if ULFA, the villains, declare that they will abide by the verdict of the people for whose sovereignty they gave nearly 15,000 Oxomiya lives over 29 years, then would it NOT make eminent sense to hold one? What am I missing here? Would it be sincerity of purpose ( of a hope for peace), or is that yet another display , albeit unintended, attempt to to have it both ways? At 3:57 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: Living in a cave does not exclude the yearning or formation of wisdom as Plato would ask us to believe. The right to self-determination should not be denied to any people. But the question is: how the stage is to be assessed where a plebiscite becomes imperative. Simply because ULFA says that, should it be held? That NSCN or other outfits have claimed parts of the present Assam, should a plebiscite be held for that purpose in the disputed areas? In that case there would be no end to plebiscite and that is a very impractical thing. Then we will have to divide Assam to the size of the city states and have to decide every issue through citizens' vote! Now we have to assess whether the stage has come. I request everyone here or otherwise to find an objective measure of assessment. Moreover, could not the protagonists of secession consider building up of the opinion without training their guns on the people of Assam on the pretext of they being spies of the 'state' etc? The covert organisations always fall prey to the guiles of the 'state' they fight by killing their own due to suspicion and sometimes intra-organisational feud. Better they do
[Assam] on plebisite
Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 27, Issue 55
Friends, In view of observing the discussions for a long, now I would like to open up my talks. I am not sure who is Rubu Bhuyan, a male or a female.And as per my knowledge with ULFA deep inside stories, I know only ULFA publicity secretary MIthinga Daimary.Because of Bhutan crackdown now he is with Peetamaha are in Guwahati jail. As my friend Utpal Borpujari narrated the mervellouse mistakes in writting, Ruby Bhuyan is unable o make any replies.Bu it is another peron now to write on behalf of Ruby. ULFA- the days are gone from the Assam map.The intellectuals who contributed are no more in this world.All are killed by Army and BSF- all because they carried a brigh united Assam in their mind where money was no issue.Frankly speaking I was one of them at the begining.But then I found that was only Guwahati boys monopoly to take control of arms and ammunitions.As a hard working student leader in 1975 and to begin my career as a Moina Parijat moina in 1972 then to All Assam Chemoniya Choura and later Convenor of Moina parihat from 1975 with Chemoniya Choura and Jatiyatabadi Juba Santha. Megh phukan and all are no moreWhat remainhed are either i Switzerland or in Bangladesh.I have seen Paresh Baruah home at Jeraigaon while I was on duty at Dinjan.Paresh Baruah might be good till now.But with lacking hi tech educations he better remained calm with Bangladesh.After Bhutan crackdown he is also no more in capability. Where the mervellous Xanbidhan of ULFA gone?I have a copy of it till.It has noble ideas for better Assam.I am afraid if any of present ULFA cadre like Ruby or likewise same narrator did really gone through the real Xanbidhan???Where the Civil wing disappeared after 1990 operation Bajrang by Govt of India?Where the intellectuals missing from ULFA?Now no doctors, no engineers nor some military man to support.Its like only one outfit to have extortion poilicy. Why ULFA then leadership forgot these people, who did helped really to transport them from GHY University to Bhutan by POlice vehicles when Govt of India declared Operation Bajrang in Dec 1990??Why ruby Bhuyan like people forget to mention the biggest sacrifice like then Assam IGP Sri HIranya Battacharjyee?To say frankly it was me to make him excited by handing ovr a copy of Bangladeshi handbook when Assam agitation was yet to start.That was when Mangaldai MP Hiralal Patowari died. Like Netaji left congress, Paresh Baruah also left Prafulla Bhrigu team.But the AGP too betrayed ULFA.Then why ULFA never targetted AGP- the most worst student leaders came like Octopus to Assam to ruin the region by another 50 years.All my beggar like friends become now billionarie..!! Amazing.Look at Bire Baishya, Mahendra Mohan Chowdhury,Nagen Sharmah,Jainath Sharmah- the biggest Deshdrohee,Apurba Bhattachajya- my class fried and now a bulky aged rich man from the beggars.. Does present generation existing ULFA cadre knows about all?Did they really tried to meet like us people?Or they will keep threatening still?? I laugh at one time my class friends threatening.I got married in 1991 Jan.Same time operation Bajrang was in full swing and since none was available, all SFI peoples got entry to ULFA to fulfill their dreams with weapons.So the then Central Assam ULFA commander Shekhar Baruah alias Prabin Deka send a message to go back to Delhi if I wanted to maintain my newly married wifes XINDUR!!! I had a big laugh.Then I told the messenger to ask him to meet me.While he carried a carbine and 40 rounds ammunitions, he was unsure about usage!!! Then he send the message again that he will not meet me as I carry a pistoil that might kill himSo Ruby or whoever it is note that he was scared of a pistol while he was threatening people to extort money by showing a carbine supposed to be deadly in military.As well he had some Chinese deadly grenades- but necer know how to use!! As I was fully aware about their arms practice, I never got scared. Now none is with ULFA.No intellectuals, nor doctors nor public. I still remembe the most pathetic scenes in my life.When at Nalbari the ULFAs first publicity secretary was killed openly with a water bucket by one simple paan dokanee, nothing had happened to that Bihari.He still lives happily.Then why you people wanted to threaten Utpal or MC Mahanta or the most educated people?I know you did kiled mercilessly Sri Manabendra Sharmah at Guwahati for nothing.That curse will carry long at the mercy of maa Kamakhya. To say simply ULFA has taken a ride of our people.All are over now. As none are capable of coming to talks with Govt, what else you people can do now?Stop threatening.All fox has limits.MAmoni Goswami tried her best and that lead her to stroke.Did ULFA tried for her treatment??Why Prabal Neog has to give Tezpur Police a simple caught??Because he issued honest notice to all Bangladeshi immigrants???So Bangla bhais wanted him to get
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ??
It seems ULFA has only guns to kill people but no brains for its future development. It only talks about independence but no plan how it would develop - will it go the Congo way leading to a million deaths? Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.
Re: [Assam] Ques: Who is Ruby Bhuyan ...? Ans: An imposter
Ruby the imposter???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4306051.stm
Umesh
ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Respected assamonliners,
We feel you are not coming forth with questions - maybe fearing
Parasar,Biswajeet('Rascul ' famed) and such RAW lackies will round you up and
disappear you.
Upto you.
Wish to note a few points:
Shati-Kam wrote you all to the right path and the agony of 'dukhuni' Assam,
which I love the most, comes to an end.
which I love the most, Really? even more than we do?That is why we wanted
you. Behave like Prince Siddhartha-- come and attain real Nirvana and liberate
your beloved land.
agony of 'dukhuni' Assam, You are the Brightest Management Guru East of Suez
as they say. You also claim Govt . of Assam wanted YOU to make real men out
of DUKHUNI's children.Now for assamonliners' benefit you need explaining what
you have done and plan to do to make the Dukhuni children come out of her
agony. Is Ulfa your hindrance-How?What?
right path This is not modern Management language is it? Talk of
Paradigm,Synergy,Win-Win ,Disappearing National Boundaries,Global Citizens,
Blah-Blah--
comes to an end. Will end when our 5 Crore people arrive at a point where
they can Plan lives-not disasters.
Keep those Questions coming. We will learn too.
Yours
Rubi
Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All Assam netters
A search on Google shows that Ruby Bhuyan has surrendered years back
( 2005)
Does he still work for them overground?? We might be talking to an
imposter.
Also you are correct in noting that an author will never mistake in
spelling his own name.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4306051.stm
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[Assam] Old men and the mountain
http://www.thehindu.com/2007/10/15/stories/2007101571952200.htm Old men and the mountain - Boom in activities for the elderly Increasing affluence is another factor - TOKYO: Yuichiro Miura has an unusual routine for a man who just turned 75. At dawn, the veteran adventurer wakes up after a night in a private low-oxygen chamber. He straps weights onto his ankles, hoists a 44-pound backpack onto his shoulders and hikes for hours around Tokyo. Sometimes he adds a stroll on his treadmill. Ask Mr. Miura why he isnt on the golf course or puttering around a vegetable garden, and he has a simple answer Mount Everest. Mr. Miura is one of Japans old men of the mountain, a small cluster of graying Japanese climbers who since 2002 have been passing among themselves an august title: the oldest person to have conquered the worlds tallest peak. Its a tough but wonderful thing to get to the peak when you are past 70, Mr. Miura said. I hope to send the message that we have the potential for many things in this aging society. Mr. Miura is already famous for having skied down Everest in 1970, a feat captured in an Oscar-winning documentary. Now, for seniors like him, climbing the 8,850-meter Himalayan peak is as extreme an elderly activity as they come. The country has the worlds longest-living population and is going through a boom in activities for the elderly. Mr. Miura scaled the peak in 2003, at 70, but was eclipsed by fellow Japanese climber Takao Arayama, who scaled the peak in 2006, just three days older than Mr. Miura was when he did it. Now Mr. Miura wants to reach the top again. It feels like the goddess of Everest is beckoning me to come back, said Mr. Miura, who is planning an assault on the mountain next spring, when hell be 75 . Some attribute the prevalence of Japanese adventurers among the ranks of older climbers to the same factors that make them live increasingly longer: a diet heavy in vegetables and fish, excellent health care, and trim physiques. Another factor in play is increasing affluence. Money brings world-class equipment, expert assistance , and state-of-the-art training. Mr. Miura says setting a record isnt all that important, since someone else will surely come along and break it. Instead, he said, Its about discovering what I can do. AP Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a regular place where ULFA places the bombs and kills civilians and also at the vegetable market). About floods I am told it is a week long activity in Assam - only one week!! or ten days - and that due to global warming the moisture is transported to deserts of Rajasthan which are seeing unheard of floods in areas which never received any rains at all. Cherapoonji - world's wettest place has seen no rains since all that rainwater has shifted onwards to drop on Mumbai causing massive unheard of floods. Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards and when they reach Himalayas they rise higher and cool down to form rain. Now it doesn't cool down enough so no rain for NE India for past 2 years. The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas (which have seen ground water disappear over the years due to excessive population and irrigation) thus I am sure thse guys are not complaing about unheard of floods. Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] India's Myanmar Policy
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071015/asp/opinion/story_8418724.asp The Telegraph (Calcutta), Monday October 15, 2007 Monday, October 15, 2007 EAST WITH BITS LEFT OUT --- A more imaginative Myanmar policy would do India good SANJIB BARUAH Most countries do public diplomacy abroad. In its standard use, the term refers to cultural and educational programmes, radio and television broadcasts, and citizen exchanges to promote foreign policy goals. In recent years, it has come to include soft power the goodwill that a country has because of the influence of popular culture and its positive image among foreigners. The target of public diplomacy is usually foreign audiences. India however, chooses to do public diplomacy at home. For the second time in less than four months, the external affairs minister, Pranab Mukherjee, visited the Northeast to explain the Look East policy. Both events were sponsored by the public diplomacy division of the ministry of external affairs. One can only welcome the belated discovery by the South Block of the value of the public discussions of foreign policy. But one wishes that these exercises were more about taking input from the ground, rather than about explaining policy from the top. From the perspective of Indias multiple global audiences, there may be some risks in calling these exercises public diplomacy. Does our external affairs ministry treat the Northeast as Indias near abroad or the far-east within? Mukherjee explained the promises that the Look East policy holds for northeastern India and how the priority given to its economic development fits into our foreign policy goals. The Planning Commission deputy chairman, Montek Singh Ahluwalia, was around as well. He said that the Northeast would see a massive upsurge in economic development over the next five years. Audiences in the Northeast, however, have grown a bit tired of the repetitious nature of what they have been hearing about the Look East policy. The reporter for The Telegraph pointed out that Mukherjees speech in Guwahati was almost an exact reproduction of the speech he gave in Shillong four months earlier. But the missing 800-pound gorilla from the Guwahati deliberations was the situation in neighbouring Myanmar. What are its implications for the future of the Look East policy? As fear grips Myanmar following the crackdown by the military junta, questions are being asked everywhere about the implications of the recent developments. What, for instance, does the crackdown on the Buddhist monasteries mean with reference to whatever residual legitimacy the military regime still has? Since our Burma policy took a U-turn in the early Nineties, India has been betting on the military regimes durability. Thus, even though the decision of the army chief, Deepak Kapoor, to publicly articulate foreign policy goals raised some eyebrows, his statement calling the crackdown in Myanmar an internal matter was not out of line with official policy. Mukherjee has said, It is up to the Burmese people to struggle for democracy, it is their issue. And the most scandalous of all was the presence of the petroleum minister, Murli Deora, in Myanmar to sign a deal for natural gas exploration when the crackdown was in full swing. Our foreign policymakers like to describe our Myanmar policy as being premised on realism. The concept is subject to much criticism in the academic literature on international relations. Realism can easily be an excuse for lazy thinking: letting some supposedly objective national interests get the upper hand in shaping foreign policy. The sudden end of the Cold War in 1989 spelt the failure of realism to explain some of the new forces that were transforming the world. Among these emerging forms of more globalized political activism are those that have been further energized in recent years by the internet, the mobile phone and the proliferation of 24-hour news channels. The impact of some of these forces is apparent in the pressures on Myanmar and on many other governments including India vis--vis their Myanmar policy. In the past few days, India has had to modify its initial stance in response to these pressures. It voted for the European Union-sponsored resolution at the United Nations Human Rights Council condemning the Myanmarese government for its violent repression of peaceful demonstrations. The council has also approved a resolution calling for an independent investigation of the human rights situation in Myanmar. Myanmar itself has responded to these pressures by clamping down on the internet, the mobile phone network and by taking steps to stop the flow of news and pictures from the country. Recently, Chinas sensitivity to world public opinion has been all too apparent. Even on Myanmar, unlike India, China did not take a strict internal matter line, but opted for behind-the-scenes diplomacy. With the the Beijing Olympics on the
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh *ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand,* I am on **Assam**'s side* as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? -- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Goodhttp://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlthis month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
Re: [Assam] IAS-ASS Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
these new IAS officers are all nerds?? can do no social engg and development work --only good in reading ten hours a day - from notes made by somebody else (Rao Study Circle , Brilliant Tutorials etc) and passing the entrance exam to get the top job - - IAS.-- does it mean I AM SILLY? Umesh Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course. (The Sentinel,15.10.2007) - Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ??
Any comments? *** You shouldn''t have asked. I think ULFA has a whole lot more brains that you Umesh. At 1:59 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: It seems ULFA has only guns to kill people but no brains for its future development. It only talks about independence but no plan how it would develop - will it go the Congo way leading to a million deaths? Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlYahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlYahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005
Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and the contiguous region are? Can he explain how it turns towards the west all of a sudden? It would be very interesting to learn. But something tells me we will be deprived of that bit of Rajasthani science. At 3:39 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a regular place where ULFA places the bombs and kills civilians and also at the vegetable market). About floods I am told it is a week long activity in Assam - only one week!! or ten days - and that due to global warming the moisture is transported to deserts of Rajasthan which are seeing unheard of floods in areas which never received any rains at all. Cherapoonji - world's wettest place has seen no rains since all that rainwater has shifted onwards to drop on Mumbai causing massive unheard of floods. Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards and when they reach Himalayas they rise higher and cool down to form rain. Now it doesn't cool down enough so no rain for NE India for past 2 years. The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas (which have seen ground water disappear over the years due to excessive population and irrigation) thus I am sure thse guys are not complaing about unheard of floods. Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmUTry it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
The 'Above Average' are already in the surreal/illogical/romantic conflict:-). They are very few in numbers and have taken their seats either with those who are in governance or those who want to evict them with 'force'. Irony is, both sides have nothing to show. The common people with average intelligence in Assam understand this reality. Yet, till now the common people with average intelligence have put the 'colonisers' in legit governance through 'vote' and have spurned the 'freedom fighters'. Then why is the need for a plebiscite? Or UN presence will give the 'votes' credibility? Or would you say that all people have not 'voted' in these 'elections' or that they are manipulated/ rigged? Why do you think that all oxomiyas and oxombaxis would go out to vote if held under UN auspices? Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 3:24 PM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: That is what makes it surreal, and not real; beyond cause and effect; beyond rationality. This is bothering common people of average intelligence; they cannot afford romanticism. How about the ABOVE AVERAGE, those who are in charge of their 'legitimate' governance, and those who put them there, by their overt or tacit support? Can they afford it? If they cannot, as I like to think they can't, WHAT HAVE THEY SHOWN for their effort to bring the conflict to an end? I mean other than to wish ULFA away or making perfunctory noises about the Govt. acting undemocratically every now and then? Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? It is NOT about making some OBJECTIVE , UNIVERSAL law, that will make it BINDING on all those in violent conflicts, for whatever reason, to submit to a plebiscite. The plebiscite idea is a RESPONSE to the ULFA/Assam/ GoI conflict, because those who accept and promote Indian supremacy over Assam CLAIM that they are the majority in Assam, thus ULFA ought to disappear, in a desi-demokratic dispensation where the numerical majority is expected to run supreme on all issues. No one needs to seek a plebiscite in Nagaland, do they? On the matter of numbers of lives lost in the conflict, should it make a difference whether it is 1,000 0r 5,000 or 10 if not 15? And should it make a difference WHO are included in it? George Bush and Dick Cheney would love it so to preside over desi-demokrasy, where they wouldn't have to explain to anyone why their armies are permanently placed in the NE or Kashmir , or tell anyone how many of their own people they have killed or put in harms way, or what part of their annual outlay is and have been expended since independence in fighting these wars against their beloved brethren in Nagaland , in Assam, in Mizoram, in Manipur ,in Kashmir and PRODUCING WHAT and at WHOSE expense. Apparently democracy lovers brought up under the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy missed it altogether. Wonder WHY? At 6:34 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: As I understand it, according to Sri C. Mahanta, 15000 lives lost ( I do not know how this figure has been arrived at... whether it represents the number of ULFA cadres killed or Oxomiyas killed (including those in unintended cross-fires), whether it includes all lives lost including the non-oxomiyas) over 29 years is the objective basis making the plebiscite imperative. So, that is one measure. Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? kamal deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GOI has similarly been willing to hold parleys with ULFA in order to hammer out a solution within the ambit of the Constitution.What is wrong with that ? KJD On 10/13/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big vacuum of reason here I see is this: IF, Assam's OWNERS, I mean other those who sit in Dilli , so wish for an end to hostilities and can't figure out HOW, and if ULFA, the villains, declare that they will abide by the verdict of the people for whose sovereignty they gave nearly 15,000 Oxomiya lives over 29 years, then would it NOT make eminent sense to hold one? What am I missing here? Would it be sincerity of purpose ( of a hope for peace), or is that yet another display , albeit unintended, attempt to to have it both ways? At 3:57 AM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: Living in a cave does not exclude the yearning or formation of wisdom as Plato would ask us to believe. The right to self-determination should not be denied to any people. But the
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course. (The Sentinel,15.10.2007) - Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
I think we ought to ask our Rajasthani expert and the Texan doctor why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. At 6:47 PM -0700 10/14/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course. (The Sentinel,15.10.2007) Download prohibited? No problem. http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.phpCHAT from any browser, without download.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ??
C-da, It hurt you personally I think. Are you the brain behind ULFA - I can't see it anywhere else . ULFA is like Al Quaeeda - all violence no development plan. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ?? Any comments? *** You shouldn''t have asked. I think ULFA has a whole lot more brains that you Umesh. At 1:59 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: It seems ULFA has only guns to kill people but no brains for its future development. It only talks about independence but no plan how it would develop - will it go the Congo way leading to a million deaths? Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
You are blaming Indian and Gujarat state govt for killing innocents -- is that your defense for ULFA's killing innocents in Assam . Is it? You defend mass murderers by saying others do it -- .Do you support terrorism? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and the contiguous region are? Can he explain how it turns towards the west all of a sudden? It would be very interesting to learn. But something tells me we will be deprived of that bit of Rajasthani science. At 3:39 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a regular place where ULFA places the bombs and kills civilians and also at the vegetable market). About floods I am told it is a week long activity in Assam - only one week!! or ten days - and that due to global warming the moisture is transported to deserts of Rajasthan which are seeing unheard of floods in areas which never received any rains at all. Cherapoonji - world's wettest place has seen no rains since all that rainwater has shifted onwards to drop on Mumbai causing massive unheard of floods. Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards and when they reach Himalayas they rise higher and cool down to form rain. Now it doesn't cool down enough so no rain for NE India for past 2 years. The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas (which have seen ground water disappear over the years due to excessive population and irrigation) thus I am sure thse guys are not complaing about unheard of floods. Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Bird of a feather - no doubt!!! ULFA and their supporters - yucks!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
C-da, You are the great expert on everything . Your brother voted from Assamese MLAs - ask Mukul-da what he is doing about it - sitting in Guwahati. Or is he waiting for ULFA to come -- he may have to wait more than a lifetime!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T I think we ought to ask our Rajasthani expert and the Texan doctor why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. At 6:47 PM -0700 10/14/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course.(The Sentinel,15.10.2007) - Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
Re: [Assam] ULFA reply
The 'Above Average' are already in the surreal/illogical/romantic conflict:-). They are very few in numbers and have taken their seats either with those who are in governance or those who want to evict them with 'force'. *** Really? But from what I read in esomonline or in assamnet, the insurgents are fools and fill the ranks of the ignoramus That would leave the above average running the show, duly elected thru that universal adult franchise our Texan friend reminded us of. Are they clueless? The common people with average intelligence in Assam understand this reality. If they do, how come they don't do something about it? After all they are in a democracy? they can change things to fir their needs. Who is holding them back? The ignoramus of the insurgents? Something does not add up here, does it? Yet, till now the common people with average intelligence have put the 'colonisers' in legit governance through 'vote' and have spurned the 'freedom fighters'. *** So what seems to be problem? They are already in the promised land. Then why is the need for a plebiscite? Or UN presence will give the 'votes' credibility? *** Can we try a wild guess ? I explained it about half a dozen times in the last two days or so. If we don't agree, can we at least hear WHY? That is because no one , not even Indians, trust desi-demokrasy, would be my conclusion. Am I wrong? Or would you say that all people have not 'voted' in these 'elections' or that they are manipulated/ rigged? What do YOU think? Why do you think that all oxomiyas and oxombaxis would go out to vote if held under UN auspices? I don't know what they will do. Their track record of elections certainly have not done any good for Assam.That is why I would like to FIND OUT. At 2:46 AM +0100 10/15/07, uttam borthakur wrote: The 'Above Average' are already in the surreal/illogical/romantic conflict:-). They are very few in numbers and have taken their seats either with those who are in governance or those who want to evict them with 'force'. Irony is, both sides have nothing to show. The common people with average intelligence in Assam understand this reality. Yet, till now the common people with average intelligence have put the 'colonisers' in legit governance through 'vote' and have spurned the 'freedom fighters'. Then why is the need for a plebiscite? Or UN presence will give the 'votes' credibility? Or would you say that all people have not 'voted' in these 'elections' or that they are manipulated/ rigged? Why do you think that all oxomiyas and oxombaxis would go out to vote if held under UN auspices? Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 3:24 PM +0100 10/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: That is what makes it surreal, and not real; beyond cause and effect; beyond rationality. This is bothering common people of average intelligence; they cannot afford romanticism. How about the ABOVE AVERAGE, those who are in charge of their 'legitimate' governance, and those who put them there, by their overt or tacit support? Can they afford it? If they cannot, as I like to think they can't, WHAT HAVE THEY SHOWN for their effort to bring the conflict to an end? I mean other than to wish ULFA away or making perfunctory noises about the Govt. acting undemocratically every now and then? Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone made up his/her mind as to what should be the objective measure about the stage when such a vote becomes mandatory? It is NOT about making some OBJECTIVE , UNIVERSAL law, that will make it BINDING on all those in violent conflicts, for whatever reason, to submit to a plebiscite. The plebiscite idea is a RESPONSE to the ULFA/Assam/ GoI conflict, because those who accept and promote Indian supremacy over Assam CLAIM that they are the majority in Assam, thus ULFA ought to disappear, in a desi-demokratic dispensation where the numerical majority is expected to run supreme on all issues. No one needs to seek a plebiscite in Nagaland, do they? On the matter of numbers of lives lost in the conflict, should it make a difference whether it is 1,000 0r 5,000 or 10 if not 15? And should it make a difference WHO are included in it? George Bush and Dick Cheney would love it so to preside over desi-demokrasy, where they wouldn't have to explain to anyone why their armies are permanently placed in the NE or Kashmir , or tell anyone how many of their own people they have killed or put in harms way, or what part of their annual outlay is and have been expended since independence in fighting these wars against their beloved brethren in Nagaland , in Assam, in Mizoram, in Manipur ,in Kashmir and PRODUCING WHAT and at WHOSE expense. Apparently democracy lovers brought up under the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy missed it altogether. Wonder WHY? At 6:34 AM
Re: [Assam] IAS-ASS Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
They are not Harvard trainer, thats why. At 6:32 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: these new IAS officers are all nerds?? can do no social engg and development work --only good in reading ten hours a day - from notes made by somebody else (Rao Study Circle , Brilliant Tutorials etc) and passing the entrance exam to get the top job - - IAS.-- does it mean I AM SILLY? Umesh Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course. (The Sentinel,15.10.2007) Download prohibited? No problem. http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_webmessenger_1/*http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.phpCHAT from any browser, without download.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmUTry it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ??
At 6:58 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, It hurt you personally I think. Are you the brain behind ULFA - I can't see it anywhere else . ULFA is like Al Quaeeda - all violence no development plan. Heh-heh! Me personally hurt by your comments ? Dream on my friend. Are you the brain behind ULFA - I will let you figure that out. - I can't see it anywhere else That must be the last word then. If Harvard Grad Umesh can't see anything else, what other proof anybody needs? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ?? Any comments? *** You shouldn''t have asked. I think ULFA has a whole lot more brains that you Umesh. At 1:59 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: It seems ULFA has only guns to kill people but no brains for its future development. It only talks about independence but no plan how it would develop - will it go the Congo way leading to a million deaths? Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlYahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmUTry it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ??
C-da, I am wondering if you are putting on an act or it has really hit you too hard. Regards and my best wishes to ULFA supporter like you. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ?? At 6:58 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, It hurt you personally I think. Are you the brain behind ULFA - I can't see it anywhere else . ULFA is like Al Quaeeda - all violence no development plan. Heh-heh! Me personally hurt by your comments ? Dream on my friend. Are you the brain behind ULFA - I will let you figure that out. - I can't see it anywhere else That must be the last word then. If Harvard Grad Umesh can't see anything else, what other proof anybody needs? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] ULFA has only guns no brains ?? Any comments? *** You shouldn''t have asked. I think ULFA has a whole lot more brains that you Umesh. At 1:59 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: It seems ULFA has only guns to kill people but no brains for its future development. It only talks about independence but no plan how it would develop - will it go the Congo way leading to a million deaths? Any comments? Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
At 7:00 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: You are blaming Indian and Gujarat state govt for killing innocents -- is that your defense for ULFA's killing innocents in Assam . Is it? Is it out of line? Certainly the number of their own people killed by Indians far outnumbers ULFA has ever done. Indian army has killed over a hundred thousand Nagas since the fifties. And over twenty thousand Mizos. What is your defense of that? What is YOUR defence on that account? Do you support terrorism? It depends. I do defend fighting the terrorism of Indian armed forces on the people of the NE. You defend mass murderers by saying others do it -- .Do you support terrorism? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
C-da, Now you say that Indians killed more Indians than ULFA did -- is that your logic?? Let me tell you India is a country of 1 billion people - I think you have been away from India for too much time . You cannot compare apples and a poisonous berry. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers At 7:00 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: You are blaming Indian and Gujarat state govt for killing innocents -- is that your defense for ULFA's killing innocents in Assam . Is it? Is it out of line? Certainly the number of their own people killed by Indians far outnumbers ULFA has ever done. Indian army has killed over a hundred thousand Nagas since the fifties. And over twenty thousand Mizos. What is your defense of that? What is YOUR defence on that account? Do you support terrorism? It depends. I do defend fighting the terrorism of Indian armed forces on the people of the NE. You defend mass murderers by saying others do it -- .Do you support terrorism? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On
Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
I thought the insanity here was spewed by someone else who, being clueless about simple high-school geography , unaware of the direction of the main monsoons that bring rains to the NE, went on to assert: Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas . What is this? Some new desi climatology? That the southwest monsoons, not being able to unload its moisture in the NE, swerves back to the west in a sudden acute angle move and go drop its load in Rajasthan? For your info, the monsoons that bring rains to Assam, is different from the one that brings rains to the Western Ghats or to Rajasthan or to Delhi and farther up. It is not the one that does a left-right-left-right and about -turn from Assam. Westrern/northwestern Indian monsoons don't happen until later June and early July, whereas the NE area monsoons arrive almost a month earlier. No, it is not because it takes that much time to take an about turn from Assam and marching thru the Gangetic plains arrives in Rajasthan a month later. At 7:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and the contiguous region are? Can he explain how it turns towards the west all of a sudden? It would be very interesting to learn. But something tells me we will be deprived of that bit of Rajasthani science. At 3:39 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a regular place where ULFA places the bombs and kills civilians and also at the vegetable market). About floods I am told it is a week long activity in Assam - only one week!! or ten days - and that due to global warming the moisture is transported to deserts of Rajasthan which are seeing unheard of floods in areas which never received any rains at all. Cherapoonji - world's wettest place has seen no rains since all that rainwater has shifted onwards to drop on Mumbai causing massive unheard of floods. Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards and when they reach Himalayas they rise higher and cool down to form rain. Now it doesn't cool down enough so no rain for NE India for past 2 years. (which have seen ground water disappear over the years due to excessive population and irrigation) thus I am sure thse guys are not complaing about unheard of floods. Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmUTry it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used )
Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
C-da (Mr Know-all), Since you know everything you might look again at the subject header and tell us a few points about its main contents? You have a habit of going at a tangent esp when your pet issue of terrorist ULFA is challenged. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl I thought the insanity here was spewed by someone else who, being clueless about simple high-school geography , unaware of the direction of the main monsoons that bring rains to the NE, went on to assert: Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas . What is this? Some new desi climatology? That the southwest monsoons, not being able to unload its moisture in the NE, swerves back to the west in a sudden acute angle move and go drop its load in Rajasthan? For your info, the monsoons that bring rains to Assam, is different from the one that brings rains to the Western Ghats or to Rajasthan or to Delhi and farther up. It is not the one that does a left-right-left-right and about -turn from Assam. Westrern/northwestern Indian monsoons don't happen until later June and early July, whereas the NE area monsoons arrive almost a month earlier. No, it is not because it takes that much time to take an about turn from Assam and marching thru the Gangetic plains arrives in Rajasthan a month later. At 7:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and the contiguous region are? Can he explain how it turns towards the west all of a sudden? It would be very interesting to learn. But something tells me we will be deprived of that bit of Rajasthani science. At 3:39 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a regular place where ULFA places the bombs and kills civilians and also at the vegetable market). About floods I am told it is a week long activity in Assam - only one week!! or ten days - and that due to global warming the moisture is transported to deserts of Rajasthan which are seeing unheard of floods in areas which never received any rains at all. Cherapoonji - world's wettest place has seen no rains since all that rainwater has shifted onwards to drop on Mumbai causing massive unheard of floods. Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards and when they reach Himalayas they rise higher and cool down to form rain. Now it doesn't cool down enough so no rain for NE India for past 2 years. (which have seen ground water disappear over the years due to excessive population and irrigation) thus I am sure thse guys are not complaing about unheard of floods. Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
If we had to go by what is in the header, why do we even read what is in the body of the e-mail? It was not I who opened up with : Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- Where do you fancy yourself in? Those who have the slightest knowledge of monsoons in India or the clueless bunch who fancy themselves the 'know-it-all' ? At 7:43 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da (Mr Know-all), Since you know everything you might look again at the subject header and tell us a few points about its main contents? You have a habit of going at a tangent esp when your pet issue of terrorist ULFA is challenged. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl I thought the insanity here was spewed by someone else who, being clueless about simple high-school geography , unaware of the direction of the main monsoons that bring rains to the NE, went on to assert: Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas . What is this? Some new desi climatology? That the southwest monsoons, not being able to unload its moisture in the NE, swerves back to the west in a sudden acute angle move and go drop its load in Rajasthan? For your info, the monsoons that bring rains to Assam, is different from the one that brings rains to the Western Ghats or to Rajasthan or to Delhi and farther up. It is not the one that does a left-right-left-right and about -turn from Assam. Westrern/northwestern Indian monsoons don't happen until later June and early July, whereas the NE area monsoons arrive almost a month earlier. No, it is not because it takes that much time to take an about turn from Assam and marching thru the Gangetic plains arrives in Rajasthan a month later. At 7:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and the contiguous region are? Can he explain how it turns towards the west all of a sudden? It would be very interesting to learn. But something tells me we will be deprived of that bit of Rajasthani science. At 3:39 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a regular place where ULFA places the bombs and kills civilians and also at the vegetable market). About floods I am told it is a week long activity in Assam - only one week!! or ten days - and that due to global warming the moisture is transported to deserts of Rajasthan which are seeing unheard of floods in areas which never received any rains at all. Cherapoonji - world's wettest place has seen no rains since all that rainwater has shifted onwards to drop on Mumbai causing massive unheard of floods. Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards and when they reach Himalayas they rise higher and cool down to form rain. Now it doesn't cool down enough so no rain for NE India for past 2 years. (which have seen ground water disappear over the years due to excessive population and irrigation) thus I am sure thse guys are not complaing about unheard of floods. Umesh Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
C-da, You made the assumption that Assamese people and their govt are clueless - I didn't make the assumption. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T iam ? Thanks for the compliment. But you did not answer the question: why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. Can you answer that or you too are clueless? At 7:07 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You are the great expert on everything . Your brother voted from Assamese MLAs - ask Mukul-da what he is doing about it - sitting in Guwahati. Or is he waiting for ULFA to come -- he may have to wait more than a lifetime!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T I think we ought to ask our Rajasthani expert and the Texan doctor why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. At 6:47 PM -0700 10/14/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course. (The Sentinel,15.10.2007) - Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Rubi Bhuyan and her/his acolytes may be excused for having the intellect of bellicose bumpkin,but what about those kharkhowas,both native and overseas with king-size brain,who have failed to understand as to why sovereignty is not the panacea of all ills of Assam.Will Assam be led to an Utopian state only if Delhi stop being the barrier ? I have already explained that there are plenty of areas in which the Center simply can't and does not interfere with the state.The developmental pace in those areas can be matched with that of the snail's.That's why we have to set our house in order first before screaming for sovereignty.It simply does not make sense. If you cannot walk straight on a tarred road,why do you ask for a pair of special Nike shoes to walk up the hill ? KJD On 10/14/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07,* umesh sharma* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh *ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] * * wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
At 7:51 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You made the assumption that Assamese people and their govt are clueless - That is NOT called an ASSUMPTION. It is called an an INFERENCE culled from the information submitted. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? What does that have to do with what Dilip forwarded? I didn't make the assumption. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T iam ? Thanks for the compliment. But you did not answer the question: why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. Can you answer that or you too are clueless? At 7:07 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You are the great expert on everything . Your brother voted from Assamese MLAs - ask Mukul-da what he is doing about it - sitting in Guwahati. Or is he waiting for ULFA to come -- he may have to wait more than a lifetime!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T I think we ought to ask our Rajasthani expert and the Texan doctor why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. At 6:47 PM -0700 10/14/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of Rs 25 lakh per LAC as the first instalment of the MLALAD fund for the fiscal 2007-08. The department, however, made it clear to the deputy commissioners that all pending schemes up to 2006-07 have to be implemented as per the standing guidelines, and the entire amount released by December 31, 2007 has to be used. If any funds of the previous years remain unused, that may be surrendered and deposited in the State exchequer, the P D Department said, and added: The deputy commissioners should furnish the reports of completion of works along with unutilization certificates in respect of MLALAD funds to it in due course. (The Sentinel,15.10.2007) Download prohibited? No problem.
Re: [Assam] Monsoons and Global Warming -- Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
C-da, I may not be a knowall like you but I try to say what I have read somewhere. I read this in Indian textbooks and learnt from my father who has an interest in geography and has travelled all over the Himalays - NE portion to Western Himalayas . Do not ask me to go there and prove it all - neither can you- we say what we have read-- maybe what you read was taught only at IITs . http://www.nature.com/news/2006/061127/full/news061127-12.html climat change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon The Bay of Bengal Branch of SW Monsoon flows over the Bay of Bengal heading towards North-Eastern India and Bengal, picking up more moisture from the Bay of Bengal. Its hits the Eastern Himalaya and provides a huge amount of rain to the regions of North-East India, Bangladesh and West Bengal. Cherrapunji, situated on the southern slopes of the Eastern Himalaya in Shillong, India is one of the wettest places on Earth. After striking the Eastern Himalaya it turns towards the West, travels over the Indo-Gangetic Plain, at a rate of roughly 1-2 weeks per state[citation needed], pouring raining all along its way Satisfied?? Or do you accuse me of cooking up the data here at wiki also? Umesh. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl If we had to go by what is in the header, why do we even read what is in the body of the e-mail? It was not I who opened up with : Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- Where do you fancy yourself in? Those who have the slightest knowledge of monsoons in India or the clueless bunch who fancy themselves the 'know-it-all' ? At 7:43 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da (Mr Know-all), Since you know everything you might look again at the subject header and tell us a few points about its main contents? You have a habit of going at a tangent esp when your pet issue of terrorist ULFA is challenged. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl I thought the insanity here was spewed by someone else who, being clueless about simple high-school geography , unaware of the direction of the main monsoons that bring rains to the NE, went on to assert: Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas . What is this? Some new desi climatology? That the southwest monsoons, not being able to unload its moisture in the NE, swerves back to the west in a sudden acute angle move and go drop its load in Rajasthan? For your info, the monsoons that bring rains to Assam, is different from the one that brings rains to the Western Ghats or to Rajasthan or to Delhi and farther up. It is not the one that does a left-right-left-right and about -turn from Assam. Westrern/northwestern Indian monsoons don't happen until later June and early July, whereas the NE area monsoons arrive almost a month earlier. No, it is not because it takes that much time to take an about turn from Assam and marching thru the Gangetic plains arrives in Rajasthan a month later. At 7:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and the contiguous region are? Can he explain how it turns towards the west all of a sudden? It would be very interesting to learn. But something tells me we will be deprived of that bit of Rajasthani science. At 3:39 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi, While discussing with Ahsan-da Aziz the maker of the film http://www.sonam.net.tc/ I learnt many things which might surprise some . For one despite having ample water Assam imports fish from South India - strange trade. The eggs are hatched in Assam , roe (young little fish) are raised in Assam's fish farm - then they are sent to Andhra Pradesh where they grwo and then brought all the way back to be sold in Guwahati's fish markets ( a
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
At 9:57 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Rubi Bhuyan and her/his acolytes may be excused for having the intellect of bellicose bumpkin,but what about those kharkhowas,both native and overseas with king-size brain,who have failed to understand as to why sovereignty is not the panacea of all ills of Assam. WHO has suggested sovereignty to be the panacea ? Sovereignty is a tool. It is NOT the end, It is actually the BEGINNING. The real hard work comes after that. But without it Assam cannot make the changes it needs to do, to begin to move forward. How can I say that? Take a look at your OWN observations about what has been happening to Assam, before and since ULFA's emergence. Why does nothing happen there, in spite of that vaulted universal adult franchise? Don't you want to know? What seems to be the problem? That's why we have to set our house in order first Indeed so. How do you suggest it be done? By abolishing desi-demokrasy and putting in its place a benevolent or even malevolent dictator? Or thru real demokrasy, unlike the desi kind? or by praying to Gakhir Khowa Ganesh Goxain? If you cannot walk straight on a tarred road,why do you ask for a pair of special Nike shoes to walk up the hill ? Not only do I not not know anything about tarred roads, but I walked barefoot to school, uphill both ways. Will Assam be led to an Utopian state only if Delhi stop being the barrier ? I have already explained that there are plenty of areas in which the Center simply can't and does not interfere with the state.The developmental pace in those areas can be matched with that of the snail' s.That's why we have to set our house in order first before screaming for sovereignty.It simply does not make sense. If you cannot walk straight on a tarred road,why do you ask for a pair of special Nike shoes to walk up the hill ? KJD On 10/14/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Assam] Monsoons and Global Warming -- Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
Look up: http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7o.html At 8:00 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I may not be a knowall like you but I try to say what I have read somewhere. I read this in Indian textbooks and learnt from my father who has an interest in geography and has travelled all over the Himalays - NE portion to Western Himalayas . Do not ask me to go there and prove it all - neither can you- we say what we have read-- maybe what you read was taught only at IITs . http://www.nature.com/news/2006/061127/full/news061127-12.html climat change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon The Bay of Bengal Branch of SW Monsoon flows over the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_BengalBay of Bengal heading towards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-East_IndiaNorth-Eastern India and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BengalBengal, picking up more moisture from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_BengalBay of Bengal. Its hits the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HimalayaEastern Himalaya and provides a huge amount of rain to the regions of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-East_IndiaNorth-East India, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BangladeshBangladesh and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_BengalWest Bengal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CherrapunjiCherrapunji, situated on the southern slopes of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HimalayaEastern Himalaya in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShillongShillong, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IndiaIndia is one of the wettest places on Earth. After striking the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HimalayaEastern Himalaya it turns towards the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WestWest, travels over the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Gangetic_PlainIndo-Gangetic Plain, at a rate of roughly 1-2 weeks per state[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sourcescitation needed], pouring raining all along its way Satisfied?? Or do you accuse me of cooking up the data here at wiki also? Umesh. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl If we had to go by what is in the header, why do we even read what is in the body of the e-mail? It was not I who opened up with : Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- Where do you fancy yourself in? Those who have the slightest knowledge of monsoons in India or the clueless bunch who fancy themselves the 'know-it-all' ? At 7:43 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da (Mr Know-all), Since you know everything you might look again at the subject header and tell us a few points about its main contents? You have a habit of going at a tangent esp when your pet issue of terrorist ULFA is challenged. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl I thought the insanity here was spewed by someone else who, being clueless about simple high-school geography , unaware of the direction of the main monsoons that bring rains to the NE, went on to assert: Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas . What is this? Some new desi climatology? That the southwest monsoons, not being able to unload its moisture in the NE, swerves back to the west in a sudden acute angle move and go drop its load in Rajasthan? For your info, the monsoons that bring rains to Assam, is different from the one that brings rains to the Western Ghats or to Rajasthan or to Delhi and farther up. It is not the one that does a left-right-left-right and about -turn from Assam. Westrern/northwestern Indian monsoons don't happen until later June and early July, whereas the NE area monsoons arrive almost a month earlier. No, it is not because it takes that much time to take an about turn from Assam and marching thru the Gangetic plains arrives in Rajasthan a month later. At 7:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture laden winds flow inwards towards Assam and rest of NE India in Spring onwards Does Umesh the renowned, Harvard trained climatologist know what the direction of the monsoon winds that bring rains to Assam and
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
C-da, Call it inference if you will - but I would say that you made this inference based on your opinion about Assamese built over more than 60 years of your life - which perhaps changed to its present form AFTER you left Assam for good in 1969. Its not new - many non-residents tend to develop superior attitudes with regards to the land of their origin - your inference puts you in this category. If you really are serious about making Assamese government more efficient you would do something positive about it - not just calling the people clueless and asking them to support ULFA's terror acts. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T At 7:51 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You made the assumption that Assamese people and their govt are clueless - That is NOT called an ASSUMPTION. It is called an an INFERENCE culled from the information submitted. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? What does that have to do with what Dilip forwarded? I didn't make the assumption. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T iam ? Thanks for the compliment. But you did not answer the question: why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. Can you answer that or you too are clueless? At 7:07 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You are the great expert on everything . Your brother voted from Assamese MLAs - ask Mukul-da what he is doing about it - sitting in Guwahati. Or is he waiting for ULFA to come -- he may have to wait more than a lifetime!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T I think we ought to ask our Rajasthani expert and the Texan doctor why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. At 6:47 PM -0700 10/14/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs. Meanwhile, the P D Department recently informed the district administration that Rs 3,150 lakh was released for the 126 LACs of the State at the rate of
Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(The Sentinel, 15.10.2007)
If you really are serious about making Assamese government more efficient you I am not serious, I just say things for fun. But why don't YOU recommend what the Assam folks need to do, since you seem to be the one who really want to do something good for Assam? At 8:14 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, Call it inference if you will - but I would say that you made this inference based on your opinion about Assamese built over more than 60 years of your life - which perhaps changed to its present form AFTER you left Assam for good in 1969. Its not new - many non-residents tend to develop superior attitudes with regards to the land of their origin - your inference puts you in this category. If you really are serious about making Assamese government more efficient you would do something positive about it - not just calling the people clueless and asking them to support ULFA's terror acts. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T At 7:51 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You made the assumption that Assamese people and their govt are clueless - That is NOT called an ASSUMPTION. It is called an an INFERENCE culled from the information submitted. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? What does that have to do with what Dilip forwarded? I didn't make the assumption. Do you think the same about Americans and other people? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T iam ? Thanks for the compliment. But you did not answer the question: why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. Can you answer that or you too are clueless? At 7:07 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, You are the great expert on everything . Your brother voted from Assamese MLAs - ask Mukul-da what he is doing about it - sitting in Guwahati. Or is he waiting for ULFA to come -- he may have to wait more than a lifetime!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer(T I think we ought to ask our Rajasthani expert and the Texan doctor why Assam's desi universal adult franchised fathered govt. seems clueless. At 6:47 PM -0700 10/14/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: The ignorant fools in Dispur do not have any idea where money is coming from and where it goes. Is there anyone in Dispur who is keeping track of all the money earmarked for Assam and where it is supposed to be spent? I heard Tarun Gogoi say in Boston that a lot of the funds from Delhi are just promise, not real money. Whose responsibility is it to convert them to real money? I'd think the assam ministers and their IAS cadre have the responsibility. Wake up Dispur. Get on the ball. Blaming Delhi will take you only a short distance. The whole trip is more than that. Dilip Deka === Buljit Buragohain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unused MLALAD funds to go to State exchequer Not a single paisa of MLALAD funds was used during the fiscal 2006-07 in Dholai, Baitholangshu, Majuli, Dergaon, Jorhat, Bijni, Sidli and Dhemaji LACs By our Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Oct 14: Massive underutilization and unutilization of cash released by the Planning and Development Department of the Asom Government as MLA Local Area Development (MLALAD) funds over the years has prompted the State Government to think to make the non-lapsable MLALAD funds lapsable i.e. introducing the system of the taking the unused money of the MLALAD funds back to the State exchequer. Besides exposing the lack of commitment on the part of the elected representatives of the State towards the development of their respective Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), underutilization and unutilization of the released cash failed the very purpose of the MLALAD funds which had been introduced in the State by then Chief Minister Hiteswar Saikia in 1994. According sources, the Additional Chief Secretary in-charge of P D Department has prepared a note stating that the unused MLALAD funds will go back to the State exchequer. However, the Additional Chief secretarys note is yet to be approved by the Chief Minister. The system prevalent at present is that the unused MLALAD funds are released for developmental schemes of the constituencies in the following financial year. According to sources, from fiscal 2002-03 to 2006-07, the State Government released Rs 17,640 lakh as MLALAD funds, but Rs 3343.42 lakh of this amount remained unused. In the fiscal 2006-07 alone, the State Government released Rs 3,780 lakh as MLALAD funds for its 126 Legislative Assembly Constituencies (LACs), but Rs 1283.42 lakh of the amount remained unused. The worst is that not a single
Re: [Assam] Monsoons and Global Warming -- Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Flood week fest - Sonam film maker
C-da, You can trust me on this one -- the weblink you sent me is really pathetic and half baked. Bay of Bengal Monsoon comes to NE first -drops a lot of rain and drags over the Indo-gangetic plain slowly --raeching Thar desert area (westernmost last -- having no moisture left -- so dry deserts-- Thats how all Indian media reports . Having grown in the said desert it is common knowledge how lucky NE India is to be first to receive the clouds fresh from the sea. Still you might like to see the detailed map of the Advance of Southwest Monsoon 2007 - if you scroll halfway down the webpage of http://www.imd.ernet.in/section/nhac/dynamic/endmonsoonreport2007.htm Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Monsoons and Global Warming -- Fish market- As Look up: http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7o.html At 8:00 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I may not be a knowall like you but I try to say what I have read somewhere. I read this in Indian textbooks and learnt from my father who has an interest in geography and has travelled all over the Himalays - NE portion to Western Himalayas . Do not ask me to go there and prove it all - neither can you- we say what we have read-- maybe what you read was taught only at IITs . http://www.nature.com/news/2006/061127/full/news061127-12.html climat change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon The Bay of Bengal Branch of SW Monsoon flows over the Bay of Bengal heading towards North-Eastern India and Bengal, picking up more moisture from the Bay of Bengal. Its hits the Eastern Himalaya and provides a huge amount of rain to the regions of North-East India, Bangladesh and West Bengal. Cherrapunji, situated on the southern slopes of the Eastern Himalaya in Shillong, India is one of the wettest places on Earth. After striking the Eastern Himalaya it turns towards the West, travels over the Indo-Gangetic Plain, at a rate of roughly 1-2 weeks per state[citation needed], pouring raining all along its way Satisfied?? Or do you accuse me of cooking up the data here at wiki also? Umesh. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl If we had to go by what is in the header, why do we even read what is in the body of the e-mail? It was not I who opened up with : Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- Where do you fancy yourself in? Those who have the slightest knowledge of monsoons in India or the clueless bunch who fancy themselves the 'know-it-all' ? At 7:43 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da (Mr Know-all), Since you know everything you might look again at the subject header and tell us a few points about its main contents? You have a habit of going at a tangent esp when your pet issue of terrorist ULFA is challenged. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl I thought the insanity here was spewed by someone else who, being clueless about simple high-school geography , unaware of the direction of the main monsoons that bring rains to the NE, went on to assert: Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know- The winds continue westwards and causing floods in usually desert areas . What is this? Some new desi climatology? That the southwest monsoons, not being able to unload its moisture in the NE, swerves back to the west in a sudden acute angle move and go drop its load in Rajasthan? For your info, the monsoons that bring rains to Assam, is different from the one that brings rains to the Western Ghats or to Rajasthan or to Delhi and farther up. It is not the one that does a left-right-left-right and about -turn from Assam. Westrern/northwestern Indian monsoons don't happen until later June and early July, whereas the NE area monsoons arrive almost a month earlier. No, it is not because it takes that much time to take an about turn from Assam and marching thru the Gangetic plains arrives in Rajasthan a month later. At 7:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, I expected something more sane from you. You are debating about a non issue - does it matter whether the wind come from St Louis , Missouri (your house) to reach Assam. The moot point is Assam has very less flood time - only a week!! Which is blown out of proportion by those who sy if flood is not tacled Assam cannot develop. Any pearls of wisdom from a supporter of ULFA like yourself. May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. How very patriotic of you!!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] Fish market- Assam's queer trade/ warming - Fl Those with slightest knowledge of monsoon rains in India would know that warm moisture
[Assam] Effeciency-- RTI camp
C-da, This could be a good place to start though without followup action only paperwork won't solve the issue. Ofcourse, making people literate and self-aware is also a prong of the approach. Things are happening in Assam. People are not clueless - we are humans not viruses. Umesh Dear Sirish - I copy the Friends of Assam and Seven Sisters (FASS) group, AID Guwahati group and Saito Basumatary of Lawyers for Rights - yes, what Ashish (I know him since last year) is saying is true - in 2006, there were some 4000 RTI applications in Assam. 50 were filed from Guwahati - the main city of the entire North East and future gateway to South East Asia. Lumding filed some 1700 applications. I think Gharoa (his org) has been responsible for all of this. Can we get Biju and Saito to talk? We are trying to get Arvind Kejriwal to go to Guwahati/Shillong in 2nd week of Dec - Saito got in touch with him thanks to Somu Kumar of Maryland. Through FASS (www.friendsofassam.org), we can help support this initiatives as well. Friends - Sirish is an old friend - from Asha-for-education. He and I met in 2000 - Sirish has been the driving force behind Asha-DC chapter - pulling it through thick and thin. So a bit of his relentless spirit rubbed off on me as well :-) Partha Sirish.in [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks I saw the website. Below is a note from Mr Ashish Dey. I have asked him for contacts of group in Lumding. Sirish ashish Dey hide details Oct 8 (3 days ago) Dear Sirish, The 1st ever RTI camp was held at Lumding in Assam during the last Anti Bribery Campaign from 1st to 15th July 2006. During thsi period record application were filed numbering 3700+ . Stil the government could not even addressed the problems. Even the SIC have failed to act as per the Act. I believe the largest campaign in Assam begun from Lumding. And still its spearheading with the movment. Thanking ypu Ashish Dey Secretary GHAROA On 10/11/07, Partha Gogoi wrote: sorry - the blog site is http://lawyersforrights.blogspot.com/ NOT http://lawyerforrights.blogspot.com/ Sirish.in wrote: Hi Partha, Sure collaboration will make the campaigns stronger. Yes, the contact is Biju. Do get them connected. Thanks, Sirish On 10/6/07, Partha Gogoi wrote: Thank you, Sirish. I copy Saito Basumatary of Lawyers for Rights. Please visit his site - they are a young group of lawyers committed to making RTI act work and raise awareness. http://lawyerforrights.blogspot.com/ Can we create some collaboration/synergy between LFR and Asha's initiative? I think it will only get stronger. Who is the point of contact? Biju? Thanks, Partha Sirish.in wrote: Sorry it should be http://www.ashaparivar.org/cms/rtinews On 10/5/07, umesh sharma wrote: Hi Sirish, The link is dead. Is there another one? Regards. Umesh Sirish wrote: Dear Partha, Hope you are well. A detailed report of a RTI camp in Assam is at www.ashanet.org/cms/rtinews Feel free to forward. Sirish U Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
