[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Thanks tomjtx. This about says it all except... if you aren't going to use the Transporter's DAC then why buy it? You'd be better off saving your money and buying a SB3 and using that along with an external DAC. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
jhm731;161542 Wrote: The http://www.welbornelabs.com/psreghc.htm is also based on the original Jung design. PS- the $30. salvaged power supply is a much better unit than the Power One. The one you pointed out is 9A on the 5v output, is that why it's better? Re: the welborne ps, it doesn't have any opamps does it? How can it be based on the Jung design? http://waltjung.org/PDFs/Improved_PN_Regs.pdf -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
Robin Bowes;161558 Wrote: I'm not sure if he's still doing them but, ALW used to sell super-reg boards. http://www.alw.audio.dsl.pipex.com/index.htm R. I noticed in the archives you mentioned having a couple alwsr boards, did anything ever come about? Also in the archives, Seans response to Mike Hansons ALWSR supply was that the 14V (or 12.5?) internal rail after the display was the place to try attacking, rather than solely the external 5V. Going directly to the internal logic supplies is what I meant to suggest the modders should be doing. Which leads to my new question! I believe I read that a switching regulator was changed to linear in the SB2SB3 transition. Does anyone know if the redesign changes anything in regards to attacking the 14V rail rather than the external supply? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
adamslim;161596 Wrote: BTW there's a couple of pairs of Snells (type J and type K) on ebay at the moment - these are really excellent speakers. They'll go for £100 or less, and will be far better than anything you can buy new for £500, IMO. They are perfect for valves - easy load, nice and sensitive, wonderful midrange. Adam Thanks for the tip there, can't say I've ever heard of them but that's just me showing my lack of knowledge in this field. The type Ks look good. 110V-120 VAC 60Hz 90 watts-standby, 200 watts maximum (220 VAC 50Hz option). Please excuse my ignorance but does that 220 VAC option mean it has a selector to switch to UK voltage ratings? Or do I defintely need to order it specially? Thanks again. -- mr335 mr335's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8927 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
highdudgeon;161655 Wrote: I've been listening with the Endlers all day. There is absolutely no difference before/after. Wish they were better finished...specifcally with markers that were easier to read. I've never seen Endlers in the flesh, but from the pictures on his website, the naked ones do look - how shall we put this - a little home-built. I see that he also does them in a diecast case, which look much more acceptable. Mind you, for a pair of balanced ones in cases, you're looking at in excess of $250. Unless you really plan on using them as your volume control (and why bother when you have a superb remote digital volume control on the Transporter?), it does seem a bit of overkill just to get some sort of attenuation on the Transporter output. If a fixed attenuation of about 10dB will do and you are not confident about building your own, the Rothwells are much cheaper (albeit still pretty expensive for what they are, IMHO). -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
Walleyefisher;161660 Wrote: Anyone else have a spouse that doesnt understand that music is far superior entertainment than the boob tube? Here in the UK, a boob tube is an item of ladies' clothing. And I can assure you that, on the right lady, it is far more entertaining than any music I've ever heard. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
When I got my new speakers off ebay, unwrapped them and plugged them in, my wife's response was and you got them for under £800? Cool! The old girlfriends gently tolerated the music and the hifi, but I knew which one to marry :) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
mr335;161710 Wrote: Thanks for the tip there, can't say I've ever heard of them but that's just me showing my lack of knowledge in this field. The type Ks look good. The old Snells are the inspiration for the current Audio Note line - they use the same letter system, and AN are open about this; the ANs are just updates of the Snell designs. Check out the AN website http://www.audionote.co.uk/products/speakers/an-k_01.shtml and realise that you can get 90% the performance of the ANs for 10% of the price by buying the Snells. I've had Type Js and Es, and really recommend them. mr335;161710 Wrote: Please excuse my ignorance but does that 220 VAC option mean it has a selector to switch to UK voltage ratings? Or do I defintely need to order it specially? I suggest contacting Jolida, but it looks like a special order. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
Skunk wrote: Robin Bowes;161558 Wrote: I'm not sure if he's still doing them but, ALW used to sell super-reg boards. http://www.alw.audio.dsl.pipex.com/index.htm R. I noticed in the archives you mentioned having a couple alwsr boards, did anything ever come about? Nope, I never made time to implement anything. Then the Transporter came along... :) Also in the archives, Seans response to Mike Hansons ALWSR supply was that the 14V (or 12.5?) internal rail after the display was the place to try attacking, rather than solely the external 5V. Going directly to the internal logic supplies is what I meant to suggest the modders should be doing. Possibly, but that's not as easy a task. I had planned to build my SB2 into a new case with separate ALWSRs for each section of the circuitry (analogue out, digital, etc.). I'm not sure if I'll ever get round to it now. Which leads to my new question! I believe I read that a switching regulator was changed to linear in the SB2SB3 transition. Does anyone know if the redesign changes anything in regards to attacking the 14V rail rather than the external supply? I'm not sure. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
My wife really did get what I was on about when I was researching the Squeezebox (you know, ripping music to FLAC, tagging it all, playing with SlimServer etc). Just looked to the ceiling, and said boys toys... When I finally got the squeezebox and got it all working, she was converted. Revolutionised our music listening. -- chris.mason chris.mason's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3323 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
tomjtx;161677 Wrote: IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with an SB FWIW, I use my Transporter with an external DAC (Dodson DA-218). And it sounds far better than my SB2 + Dodson. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
tomjtx;161682 Wrote: I'm really glad I'm no longer married, now sitting on the couch with a woman and listening to music has a whole other connotation:-) and I get to do whatever I want with my room. Amen to that :) -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
1. My wife bought me my Squeezebox for Christmas last year. 2. She put up with me spending beaucoup hours ripping our CD collection. 3. She put's up with my endless tweaking of the system. 4. She let me rearrange the living room to try to find the best place for the speakers. 5. She let's me listen to whatever I want as loud as I want (although she turns it down if I leave the room). My wife scores 100 in HAF. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New DAC, amplifier or speakers?
Hi guys, I am by no means an Audiophile, but you guys are, so I'd appreciate a bit of advice! I've been running my squeezebox3 into a NAD C340 Amp and Mission 773e speakers for the past couple of months, and am reasonably happy with the sound, but it's a bit thin and involving compared to my old NAD c521BEE CD player. I've been reading about DACs, and was hoping a £150ish one would make a real difference to the sound - a Derek Shek DAC seems like a good option. I know it's hard to comment without actually hearing for yourselves, but would I be able to tell the difference on my budget amp? If so, should I get the old (d1?) or new (d2?) Shek DAC, or are there any other £150ish DACs you could suggest? The music I listen to...? Some of my favourite artists are Roots Manuva, The Roots, Stevie Wonder, DJ Shadow, Massive Attack. But I regularly listen to things as diverse as Charles Mingus, Metallica and The Flaming Lips. I hope that helps! Thanks in advance -- FunkyMunkey FunkyMunkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5042 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New DAC, amplifier or speakers?
FunkyMunkey;161761 Wrote: Hi guys, I am by no means an Audiophile, but you guys are, so I'd appreciate a bit of advice! I've been running my squeezebox3 into a NAD C340 Amp and Mission 773e speakers for the past couple of months, and am reasonably happy with the sound, but it's a bit thin and involving compared to my old NAD c521BEE CD player. I've been reading about DACs, and was hoping a £150ish one would make a real difference to the sound - a Derek Shek DAC seems like a good option. I know it's hard to comment without actually hearing for yourselves, but would I be able to tell the difference on my budget amp? If so, should I get the old (d1?) or new (d2?) Shek DAC, or are there any other £150ish DACs you could suggest? The music I listen to...? Some of my favourite artists are Roots Manuva, The Roots, Stevie Wonder, DJ Shadow, Massive Attack. But I regularly listen to things as diverse as Charles Mingus, Metallica and The Flaming Lips. I hope that helps! Thanks in advance Before spending any money - you are using FLAC or another lossless file format ? If you are using MP3 or WMA - it could be that they are compressed too much. I started with changing the power supply to a linear one, and that made the SB3 as good as my CD player. You can then add a DAC afterwards and improve both the SB3 and the CD player... -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New DAC, amplifier or speakers?
tomsi42;161764 Wrote: Before spending any money - you are using FLAC or another lossless file format ? If you are using MP3 or WMA - it could be that they are compressed too much. I started with changing the power supply to a linear one, and that made the SB3 as good as my CD player. You can then add a DAC afterwards and improve both the SB3 and the CD player... All my music is ripped to FLAC (what a palava!). How much could I spend on a power supply? There's this one at Farnell UK, which was suggested here a few months back: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=4264824N=401 Would this be suitable? Thanks for your reply -- FunkyMunkey FunkyMunkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5042 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
My wife told me - forced me! - to buy an Aktiv IsoBarik system in 1987 - it ruined my bank account but she said she could never listen to anything else again in quite the same way... These days she loves the Squeezebox! My oh my, how the times have changed... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
It looks like a well-built and reasonably-priced solution, mostly for video playback. For someone with a bunch of mpeg or DivX shows or movies on a hard drive, this would be ideal. It would also be great for anyone with a hi-def camcorder. They currently have to playback straight from the camera or encode down to DVD resolution. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Unless you get your TP modded, perhaps the best sound quality would be an analog modded SB direct to amplifier. Eliminate the external DAC. -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Off-topic - but any help appreciated!
This is off-topic but I know you guys probably know the answer... is there any software that can broadly speaking do for video (eg MPG/AVI etc) and ripped DVD's what SlimServer does for audio? I need dvd cover art as a menu interface (or a folder style menu that can show covers) and the ability to build playlists. (apologies again for going off-topic) Phil -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30557 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc...what does the rest of your system look like? -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
Skunk;161703 Wrote: The one you pointed out is 9A on the 5v output, is that why it's better? Re: the welborne ps, it doesn't have any opamps does it? How can it be based on the Jung design? http://waltjung.org/PDFs/Improved_PN_Regs.pdf You'll have to ask Wellborne why they recommend the high current model for the SB. The original Jung design didn't have any opamps, see the description for: http://www.welbornelabs.com/ps1.htm, the circuit is similar to the high current version. FYI- your Power One and the $30. Astec supply(also rated at 9A on the 5V rail) from Salvagetech have an opamp for the sensor circuit. Do you have the sensor leads connected at the SB end of the power cable? -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Phil, I forgot.. do you have a modded SB2??? I must admit that the stock SB2 with stock Walwart sounded flat and liveless to me. PhilNYC;161739 Wrote: FWIW, I use my Transporter with an external DAC (Dodson DA-218). And it sounds far better than my SB2 + Dodson. -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I think Tom, who is about as stand-up a guy as you will find here, in addition to one with an outstanding reference system and the trained ears of a professional musician, has disproved this notion. Using a Bolder full mods SB2 -- which incidentally works out to being slightly more expensive than a Transporter -- he said that sound was very good...but that he preferred the Transporter. Amongst other things, you can't get around a different DAC chip. For the record, run a transporter straight into an amp, which I think is pretty common around these parts. It works quite well and works perhaps better than an SB3 + Lavry (and, trust me, 1 foot of high quality digital coax is not going to degrade signal, and especially not when you're dealing with a re-clocking DAC). rajacat;161813 Wrote: Unless you get your TP modded, perhaps the best sound quality would be an analog modded SB direct to amplifier. Eliminate the external DAC. It's not that the TP internal dac is exceptional but that by eliminating the external dac you are simplifying the signal path and no interconnects are necessary. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
jhm731;161692 Wrote: My TacT 2150s are used as power DACs and don't need any preamps or volume controls. Yes, I believe the Transporter would be a better value, if it was exclusively dependent on a remote control with a display, but if you and George like playing with the knob and buttons, it's your money. The $25. remote for my TacT gear, DL and transports works just fine, would a more expensive one make my system sound better? Are you saying the Transporter isn't revolutionary? I don't think the Transporter is revolutionary. Its core functionality is hardly new. I don't think a $25 remote would make things sound better, but if you are completely dependent on a remote, it could improve your versatility. You could create macros and separate visual pages for each component. I use the Philips TSU7500 and find it very useful for my myriad of components. Nevertheless, i don't like having to carry my remote when I walk up to my components to change things such as CDs or DVDs. It isn't a matter of liking to play with buttons. It is simply about having choices. The Transporter isn't meant to be the best value. If you want that, stick to the SB3's digital outs. Unless you are using the integrated Tact amps, aren't you driving it with some sort of preamp, whether that be your source or a true preamp? The only reason the S2150 doesn't need a volume dial is b/c it can't act as a standalone integrated. All of Tact's other gear which can, have an enormous dial. The one on my TCS MKII is the mother of all dials. -- Sleestack *headphone:* singlepower sds-xlr at, esoteric d-03/p-03, hd650, k701 sony qualia *2 channel:* tact rcs 2.2.xp w/ full aberdeen mods, bel canto oneref. 1000 monoblocks x 4, aberdeen northstar transport, epiphany 12-12s (waiting for my 20-21s), tact w210 corner load subs *5.1 channel:* tact tcs mkii w/ aberdeen power supply, tact boz 216/2200 (x5) w/ aberdeen power supply, tact adc6 w/ full aberdeen mods, denon 5910, bel canto pl-1a, eggleston andra ii (x5), velodyne dd-15, panaonic th-65pf9uk Sleestack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
Codmate;161766 Wrote: Just bear in mind that valves are wonderful for making music with - but not for accurate reproduction. I love my Fender valve-driven guitar amp - but will always use transisters in hi-fi. Umm, disagree...? I listen to a lot of live music (i.e. unamplified, direct from the instrument) and I find that my SET is genuinely accurate. It also measures surprisingly well, FWIW. I struggle to find transistor amps at any price that I would swap for, even if I could afford them. Some old valve amps are 'euphonic', but I think that's a hang-over from the 70s and earlier - modern valve kit is a different beast altogether. -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New DAC, amplifier or speakers?
Much as I like my Shek DAC, I think you'd do better improving the rest of your system first. If you think it sounds a bit thin, I'd be thinking about speakers - Missions can always be a bit bright and lacking body, I have found. I reckon the SB3 might be exacerbating a problem that was already inherent in your system. If you're looking at sub-£200 then Wharfedale might be a good place to look, although spending a bit more (or hitting ebay) might give better results. HTH Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
jhm731;161692 Wrote: Are you saying the Transporter isn't revolutionary? Of course not. CDs are revolutionary. FLACs just fly across the ether cleverly; they don't revolve... -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
95bcwh;161822 Wrote: Phil, I forgot.. do you have a modded SB2??? I must admit that the stock SB2 with stock Walwart sounded flat and liveless to me. I have an Elpac power supply, but otherwise the SB2 is unmodded. Am currently using my SB2 in my office system together with a modified Zhaolu 2.0 DAC with good results. The analog-outs on the SB2 in that system (Focus Audio FS-68SE monitors, Bel Canto Pre3/S300 electronics) sounds a bit thin and unengaging to me. My Transporter in my reference system sounds terrific on its own, but the Dodson DAC is still IMHO a level above. Note that it took quite a bit of system setup time (particularly room treatments and speaker positioning) to finally get to the level of performance where I was able to tell the difference between the Transporter and the Dodson with relative ease...prior to getting things just right, the differences were surprisingly small... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
If the receiver did ok driving the speakers then the jolida will do fine. In fact I bet it gives the impression of being more powerful than the 85wpc receiver, or will at least go louder before objectionable distortion kicks in. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
jhm731;161065 Wrote: IMO, the revolutionary Transporter should have been packaged in a plain 1U case with no knobs or buttons controlled by a programmable remote with a display like the Sonus [...] Well, I'd love to see a Sonus-like remote for Slim units, but the controls on the Transporter are actually one of the big selling features for me! Most of the time I'm only a step or two away from my rack, when I'm listening, so it's faster and easier to stand up and use the controls than to find and mess with poorly designed remotes (which is most of them -- haven't seen the Transporter's yet). Not all front panel controls are well designed, of course, but where they are, I usually prefer the feel of those controls. -- catfood catfood's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2518 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
My fully modded (analog/digital)platinum Sonicap upgrade SB3 will be delivered any day now. I did not go for the Bybees. Total cost = $475 + shipping. I have a Bolder modded Power One power supply ($2.50 + $100 for mods). I built my own power cord for the SB3 using silver wire. My total expenses will be ~$600. While the SQ might not be quite as good as a stock TP it will be close enough for me and this difference might not be audible to most people in an average system. OTOH sound quality is somewhat a matter of taste and some might actually prefer the SQ of the modded SB. Tom did not say the the SQ of the TP was a slam dunk but the differences were subtle and others might come to a different conclusion. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
jhm731;161818 Wrote: Do you have the sensor leads connected at the SB end of the power cable? No, because I cut my DC lead off a router's wall wart in a fit of instant gratification (though I did keep the SB wall wart intact which I would recommend for comparison purposes). -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Gawd. My experience. You'd be hard pushed to find something that sounds better than than the Trannsporter. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
To my ears, I greatly preferred the SQ of the stock SB3/Mhdt Constantine dac to the SQ of the stock SB3 analog outs. The stock SB3 SQ is fairly pedestrian. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New DAC, amplifier or speakers?
adamslim;161839 Wrote: If you think it sounds a bit thin, I'd be thinking about speakers - Missions can always be a bit bright and lacking body, I have found. I reckon the SB3 might be exacerbating a problem that was already inherent in your system. Well, I only bought the speakers fairly recently, so I'd prefer another solution, really. -- FunkyMunkey FunkyMunkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5042 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
tomjtx;161677 Wrote: I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him. The TP has a great DAC . I haven't heard better. i've compared it to the Lavry DAC (which many like better than the Benchmark). I like the TP better than the Lavry. I think the 2 are so close it may just be a matter of opinion. IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with an SB If you want a TP for the looks, I would suggest you live with it a month, then compare it to other DACs. I would be surprised if you still wanted a stand alone DAC. Let us know what you decide and what you hear in your comparisons, should be interesting and (hopefully) fun SB3 doesnt have a wordclock input function. You can slave the transporter to an external DAC to reduce jitter but this cant be done with a SB3. Usually such dacs (i mean well implemented ones) come at a higher premium than the larvy and benchmark -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Off-topic - but any help appreciated!
Are you using Windows ? In that case, look to Ahead for the fullblown Nero suite, or Adobe for the Premier software line. They allow you to download trial version that will work for a few weeks. Just so you can see if it is what you want. Tom -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30557 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
Which is what makes the Benchmark and Lavry such great values. Again, if they're good enough for top mastering studios...they're probably good enough for home use. You owe it to yourself to try one, if possible. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
highdudgeon;161684 Wrote: Technical and materialistic perfectionism are guy things. Women are just as musical as men, of course. I know some terrific women performers, ranging from opera singers to punk guitarists. By and large, they're not so much into the fancy audio rig thing -- they hear the music and go from there. There are exceptions to the rule, and I know of few of them, but the audiophile world is overwhelmingly male. Good point - they've got shoes and clothes instead.* * I do not intend this to be a sexist comment, all I mean is that often this desire is still there, but something else is the target. If your significant other is into shopping, in order to understand this, compare it to audiophile pursuits. It's much the same thing, but with different articles. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
cliveb;161713 Wrote: ...If a fixed attenuation of about 10dB will do and you are not confident about building your own, the Rothwells are much cheaper (albeit still pretty expensive for what they are, IMHO). I've not used a Transporter (yet), but I've tried both the Endlers and the Rothwells, and the Endlers are far superior sonically. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
rajacat;161863 Wrote: To my ears, I greatly preferred the SQ of the stock SB3/Mhdt Constantine dac to the SQ of the stock SB3 analog outs. The stock SB3 SQ is fairly pedestrian. Raja I'm with rajacat on this one also, the Constantine is in a class of its own. Rajacat, how did you connect the two - with coax or optical? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
That's quite true. Again, it isn't a rule...but we just spent a week and around Venice. I went through a lot of shoe stores, generally thinking about how quickly I could get my next coffee. Mark Lanctot;161924 Wrote: Good point - they've got shoes and clothes instead.* * I do not intend this to be a sexist comment, all I mean is that often this desire is still there, but something else is the target. If your significant other is into shopping, in order to understand this, compare it to audiophile pursuits. It's much the same thing, but with different articles. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
NewBuyer;161931 Wrote: I'm with rajacat on this one also, the Constantine is in a class of its own. Rajacat, how did you connect the two - with coax or optical? Coax. If you read this forum regularly, it would seem that the Lavry, Benchmark and the Dodson are the only dacs on the market. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New DAC, amplifier or speakers?
I too have a Derek Shek DAC, and recently upgraded my amp to a Parasound Halo A23. The amp made by far the bigger difference. I've since replaced the DS DAC with my own DIY DAC, and while I like mine better (it's staying), it's not as big a difference as changing the amp. That said, you must start with good speakers (which I also DIY'ed, so I can't help you there). In order of importance (most to least), my list would be as follows: good music speakers room placement (and it's free!) amp DAC transport cables insane audiophile tweaks -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
I'm still trying to find a woman to accept ME let alone all my toys! Of course I've discovered as part of my personality that I'm generally frugal about anything but my gadgets. It's a geek's life for me. -- notanatheist notanatheist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Off-topic - but any help appreciated!
VLC or VideoLanClient from : http://www.videolan.org/ Designed for pretty much every type of device and OS. -- notanatheist notanatheist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30557 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote: So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3 plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in advance. BluesDoc To answer part of your question, on a technical level it's almost certainly a bad idea to connect the transporter to an external DAC. The reason is that any S/PDIF connection will induce jitter into the digital signal, so the external DAC will be receiving a much noisier signal than the internal DAC of the Transporter (or SB, for that matter). Given that the TP was carefully engineered to maximize its fidelity without (much) concern for cost, it's highly unlikely that any external DAC will be able to overcome the significant disadvantage of a jittery input to even match the TP's performance, let alone exceed it. A few DACs are claimed to be immune to input jitter. This is probably the case (for example for the Lavry), but then you are only guaranteed an equal playing field for a $1000 DAC vs. $2000 TP. Still highly unclear that the external DAC wins. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
catfood;161849 Wrote: Well, I'd love to see a Sonus-like remote for Slim units, but the controls on the Transporter are actually one of the big selling features for me! Most of the time I'm only a step or two away from my rack, when I'm listening, so it's faster and easier to stand up and use the controls than to find and mess with poorly designed remotes (which is most of them -- haven't seen the Transporter's yet). Not all front panel controls are well designed, of course, but where they are, I usually prefer the feel of those controls. In my case, all the gear is stuffed in a closet, out of sight (and line of sight, so no IR). Once I finish digitizing all my music to FLAC, I won't have much reason to go to the closet to load CDs. Video will still require trips to the machinery until some point in the future (I haven't seen any video distribution systems I'm sold on yet). So for me, a music-collection/navigation-oriented remote with Wi-Fi or RF would be a very nice thing (it could be a universal remote, and I wouldn't be surprised if Logitech comes out with one that mates well with Slim functionality and can control all the other electronic stuff). -- Balthazar_B Balthazar_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dvd-Audio and SACD over HDMI
The new Oppo dv-981hd has the following feature: oppo Wrote: High-resolution multi-channel digital audio output through HDMI supporting CD, DVD-Audio, SACD, Dolby Digital and DTS sound tracks.See: http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/index.html Question: Which receiver or pre-amp can handle hdmi multi-channel input? jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30568 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
That's a nice idea. RF remotes are a good thing. Something not much bigger, WELL backlit, and RF. Maybe metal, too, like a Plinius remote, so that you can fend off burglars. Balthazar_B;161980 Wrote: In my case, all the gear is stuffed in a closet, out of sight (and line of sight, so no IR). Once I finish digitizing all my music to FLAC, I won't have much reason to go to the closet to load CDs. Video will still require trips to the machinery until some point in the future (I haven't seen any video distribution systems I'm sold on yet). So for me, a music-collection/navigation-oriented remote with Wi-Fi or RF would be a very nice thing (it could be a universal remote, and I wouldn't be surprised if Logitech comes out with one that mates well with Slim functionality and can control all the other electronic stuff). -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Dvd-Audio and SACD over HDMI
jmourik;161993 Wrote: The new Oppo dv-981hd has the following feature: See: http://www.oppodigital.com/dv981hd/index.html Question: Which receiver or pre-amp can handle hdmi multi-channel input? jan The question might want to be 'which DAC can handle hdmi mutli-channel input'. There's also a piece of pre-processing involved before the DAC (or DACS) is suspect. There are others on this forum with better knowledge than I in this area, however...over to you guys. -- peejay After Silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music - Aldous Huxley. peejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30568 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter as digital preamp, M-Audio Transit USB audio interface
jbm0;161674 Wrote: Just FYI, in case you're not aware of this, with certain classes of digital output hardware, the machine's output sample rate and bit depth are controlled by the not-entirely-obvious Audio MIDI Setup application (in the Utilities subfolder of Applications). I think that (if the settings there aren't overridden elsewhere, in which case the places you'd set things in Audio MIDI Setup should be locked out or absent) machines generally output whatever is set there, resampling as necessary, rather than outputting a multitude of changing digital output formats at the whim of sound-producing applications. Wow, thanks for that! I would never have thought to look there. This is a little bit annoying though; for best sound quality I will need to toggle between 44.1kHz for CD audio and 48kHz for DVD audio. Anyhow, thanks a lot for the information! -- devin devin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I am pretty interested in Bluesdoc's question I have SB3 + Perpetual Technology P1/P3 it sounds very good. Now purely on aesthetics, the transporter appeals -looks great to me love idea of dual display. but £1300 is hard for me to justify. ...but if it sounded better I could persuade the mrs -esp if selling exising dac combo People hear differences in CD transportsso how many have directly substituted the Transporter for the SB3 in a system with external DAC to see if they can hear a difference? Please note that I accept the internal DAC may be wonderful, but if I thought the Transporter was a better ...er transporter I might take the plunge decide after auditioning whether to stick with external DAC or not... Neale -- ntom SB3, Perpetual Technologies P1-A / P3-A, Naim 82, 4 x Naim 135, Magneplanar MG3a ntom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
Always hankered after a pair of panel speakers ever since hearing Maggies years back. Finally bought a pair of Audiostats plugged in in place of SBLs. Got v cool reception from wife on looks size alone. I didn't greatly appreciate the sound. Then came across some old Maggies bought them. Hooked em up played them wife loved em before the realisation of what she was sayingeven bigger speakers!! First time ever she appreciated a change of hifi! She still hates the fact we have 5' speakers but heystill living with them -- ntom SB3, Perpetual Technologies P1-A / P3-A, Naim 82, 4 x Naim 135, Magneplanar MG3a ntom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
I think it really comes down to personal taste and the type of sound you prefer. In my system the Transporter sounds distinctly different to SB3 plus lavry, benchmark or Belcanto DAC2. Out of these 3 combos I would say the SB3 plus the Belcanto DAC2 sounds the closest to the Transporter tone wise. My gut feel is the SB3 plus Lavry is probably the most accurate but not as engaging as the Transporter. The Transporter really comes into it's own when attached direct to power amps. I also wonder at times if the Transporter has a little midrange smearing/bloom, this only becomes evident as I increase the volume and I wonder if it is my room starting put it's footprint on the sound. I would be interested to hear others thoughts here. If you can live without analog in's the Transporter makes an excellent preamp/dac/transport combo. -- dlite dlite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4885 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;161971 Wrote: To answer part of your question, on a technical level it's almost certainly a bad idea to connect the transporter to an external DAC. The reason is that any S/PDIF connection will induce jitter into the digital signal, so the external DAC will be receiving a much noisier signal than the internal DAC of the Transporter (or SB, for that matter). Given that the TP was carefully engineered to maximize its fidelity without (much) concern for cost, it's highly unlikely that any external DAC will be able to overcome the significant disadvantage of a jittery input to even match the TP's performance, let alone exceed it. A few DACs are claimed to be immune to input jitter. This is probably the case (for example for the Lavry), but then you are only guaranteed an equal playing field for a $1000 DAC vs. $2000 TP. Still doubtful that the external DAC wins, and you've spent significantly more than on the TP alone. Furthermore in this case the TP as a transport is a total waste - you should simply use a SB (or a $30 universal disc player, for that matter). On a technical level you can amend things by SLAVING the transporter via word clock. This is better than a transporter + dac without word clock sync. And i believe there are quite a number of dacs that when clocked, can exceed the performance of TP. for example the emm labs. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
And, hey, they're only over $10k. Lavry makes a $9k unit, if you're looking at things like that. Before you get there, though, you'd better make damn sure you have out-of-this-world speakers and electronics. Out of this world. As for the technical level thing, how about getting technical and explaining why? Dan Lavry has an excellent white paper on jitter on his site. The Transporter's DAC has exceptionally low jitter. I strongly doubt whether, in a normal to pretty high-end system, you could tell any difference at all. Konig;162011 Wrote: On a technical level you can amend things by SLAVING the transporter via word clock. This is better than a transporter + dac without word clock sync. And i believe there are quite a number of dacs that when clocked, can exceed the performance of TP. for example the emm labs. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
LOLI am so glad I asked this question (my first posting!) and so happy to see there is total unanimity G. It reassures me that I was not missing something obvious to all. And that there is still room for subjective experience. Once my head stops spinning from the excellent comments, I'll have to make some decisions. I am not convinced yet that the best SQ wouldn;t be from the Transporter and a decent quality (around $1000-1200) DAC, but I wouldn;t refuse to spend less than that if the SQ was as good. I also hate to give up my older Conrad-Johnson preamp, although its not doing too much... other than adding nostalgia, an additional set of interconnects, and the analogue volume control. (I'm currrently using an older CJ Amp and older B W speakers, but auditioning newer everything). Oh, and while SQ is important, so is domestic acceptability. Thanks, and please keep the excellent advice on this subject coming. -- bluesdoc bluesdoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
These things are subjective, as you see, despite underlying technical issues that are objective indeed. Here's my take on it: a SB3 is good. From what I understand, modded SB3s are equal or somewhat better. According to Tom, some mods approach the Transporter. Anyway, the Transporter is a lot better than the SB3. The SB with a high performance, studio-grade, jitter-eliminating DAC like the Lavry is a lot better than a SB3. In fact, I would say it is more or less comparable to the Transporter, the difference being one of nuance. The SB3 and Transporter through a Lavry sound the same -- like a Lavry. So, from a purely economic perspective, you could go with a SB3 and, say, a Lavry. However, the Transporter gives you far more functionality (extra inputs, etc.) and far greater aesthetics. These are important to some people. I like having four analog outputs (good for subs and mains), extra inputs, and the real good looks of the things. If these are NOT priorities... bluesdoc;162013 Wrote: LOLI am so glad I asked this question (my first posting!) and so happy to see there is total unanimity G. It reassures me that I was not missing something obvious to all. And that there is still room for subjective experience. Once my head stops spinning from the excellent comments, I'll have to make some decisions. I am not convinced yet that the best SQ wouldn;t be from the Transporter and a decent quality (around $1000-1200) DAC, but I wouldn;t refuse to spend less than that if the SQ was as good. I also hate to give up my older Conrad-Johnson preamp, although its not doing too much... other than adding nostalgia, an additional set of interconnects, and the analogue volume control. (I'm currrently using an older CJ Amp and older B W speakers, but auditioning newer everything). Oh, and while SQ is important, so is domestic acceptability. Thanks, and please keep the excellent advice on this subject coming. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter as digital preamp, M-Audio Transit USB audio interface
You shouldn't have to switch sampling rates! If you're going to be using the M-Audio interface all the time to feed the Transporter, just set the TP to LOCK to incoming digital clock from your source and it should switch automatically. You should be doing this ANYWAY when you use an external digital input. -- Eric Seaberg Eric Seaberg - San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Seaberg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7896 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Off-topic - but any help appreciated!
Thanks guys - I'll check these out. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30557 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162016 Wrote: These things are subjective, as you see, despite underlying technical issues that are objective indeed. Here's my take on it: a SB3 is good. From what I understand, modded SB3s are equal or somewhat better. According to Tom, some mods approach the Transporter. Anyway, the Transporter is a lot better than the SB3. The SB with a high performance, studio-grade, jitter-eliminating DAC like the Lavry is a lot better than a SB3. In fact, I would say it is more or less comparable to the Transporter, the difference being one of nuance. The SB3 and Transporter through a Lavry sound the same -- like a Lavry. So, from a purely economic perspective, you could go with a SB3 and, say, a Lavry. However, the Transporter gives you far more functionality (extra inputs, etc.) and far greater aesthetics. These are important to some people. I like having four analog outputs (good for subs and mains), extra inputs, and the real good looks of the things. That, of course, and knowing that I'm getting performance just as good as from any DAC under $10k...in which, if there were a difference, it is not one that I could detect in my room. If these are NOT priorities... Actually, from an economic perspective the best option would be an analog modded SB with the Sonicap Platinum upgrade but without the Bybees ($) and with an upgraded linear power supply but not the top of the line ($$750). I believe that this combination will provide SQ approaching a stock TS or possibly, depending upon system synergy and taste, equal or superior SQ. All this for about $600. Some even prefer the small form factor of the SB to the relatively large size of the rack mounted TP. From what I have been able to deduce, most prefer the modded SB analog SQ to the digitally modded SB sound quality with the dac of their choice. Raja -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
As for the aesthetics, that is a personal choice. I personally prefer elegant looking components. As for sound, that is personal, too. I prefer not to void warranties, if possible, and I, along with others, strongly doubt any mod is going to match the output of a lavry, benchmark, or mytek. Those units are reasonably priced, too, for what they are. But that's me. Tom concluded that over two grand worth of mods was not quite up to Transporter status. rajacat;162022 Wrote: Actually, from an economic perspective the best option would be an analog modded SB with the Sonicap Platinum upgrade but without the Bybees ($) and with an upgraded linear power supply but not the top of the line ($$750). I believe that this combination will provide SQ approaching a stock TS or possibly, depending upon system synergy and taste, equal or superior SQ. All this for about $600. Some even prefer the small form factor of the SB to the relatively large size of the rack mounted TP. From what I have been able to deduce, most prefer the modded SB analog SQ to the digitally modded SB/dac of choice SQ. Raja -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
