Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter wish list...
Meridion;471159 Wrote: Great ideas! What about basic DD and DTS decoding and downmixing to stereo? Maybe also 5.1 PCM to stereo downmixing? - Michael That would be really nice and useful! The ability to extract the two L/R front channels (or rear channels) from a DTS or 5.1 stream. Currently I need to down mix the stream in my DVD player, which is really not desirable. A better management of the digital inputs, with dedicated buttons on the front panel for a direct selection of the inputs. Or at least the ability to rename the current inputs name. The use of the TP as an external DAC is currently not so user friendly. I would also appreciate some basic room correction capabilities. I don't care about color display or touch interface or anything else... I just want the TP to play music perfectly like a high-end component and not as a computer. Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69447 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Hi Christian, I had my TP connected directly to my Classé power amp via RCA cables. Two days ago, I upgraded to XLR balanced cables (with a pair of Endler attenuators with -16 dB attenuation) and I noticed a sound improvement in term of spatialization and high frequencies definition. This just finished convincing me about the benefits of a pre-amplifier free configuration. As your power amp has balanced input, it could be worth trying to connect the TP with XLR cables. However, you'll probably need some passive attenuation... I agree with dealer issue in Sitzerland; I had the same problem a few months ago before buying my system. Finally I took my TP to the dealer to test it with different power amplifiers. Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp Meridion;430990 Wrote: I would even abandon the rear speakers when connecting TP directly to a poweramp for enhanced sound reproduction and reduced system complexity. Very nice speakers... Personally I wanted a configuration based on BW 802d speakers. The only remaining questione were 1) which power amplifier to associate with and 2)pre-amplifier or not? I read a lot of forums and finally decided to test by myself. I took my TP and asked the dealer to test it directly connected to a power amp. Of course, he never heard about the TP and was very skeptical about a Logitech gear connected to a 10k bucks amplifier. But quickly he (and I) realized that the matching was just perfect, taking the best from the speakers! Finally and without any doubt, the configuration without pre-amplifier just appeared to be THE Solution, providing the best sonic performances for the smallest price (remember that a pre-amplifier is at least as expensive as the power amplifier itself). Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter to pre- or poweramp
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 Question: To what is your Transporter connected - Preamp - Poweramp I run my TP directly into my power amp (Classé CA-2200). It is now connected with unbalanced cables - and appropriate -20db attenuation - but I will upgrade to XLR as soon as my Endler's attenuators arrive. Anyway, I can only strongly recommend this setup, as long as you don't need the analog source management capabilities of a pre-amp. The sound is just amazing! And remember, the shortest the audio path is, the better the sound will be! Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64028 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter into amp or pre?
Hi Dennis, How is your Transporter connected to the power amp, with RCA or XLR? What kind of passive attenuation are you using? I had mine connected via RCA (with built-in attenuation) and I'm upgrading to XLR by adding external attenuators (I just ordered Endler's ones) and I'm very curious to see the changes, if any... Regarding the high-end denomination of my system... it exist a lot more expensive systems, of course. However I think that I reached a near optimal ratio between cost/performances and I'm especially convinced about the coherence and the simplicity of this system (the less material you have, the less the audio signal is affected, the better it is). Hifi is, for sure, not just a matter of costs... you can put together the most expensive gears without obtaining any satisfying results; I experienced this many times. -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter into amp or pre?
Hi, I just bought a new system with the Transporter plugged directly into the power amplifier and I can only highly encourage you to do the same. Having a high-end system, the result is simply superb! The shortest is the signal path, the better is the sound quality. Furthermore you'll save the extra amount of money for the pre-amplifier (which generally costs more than the power amplifier itself). My advise: do not hesitate one second and skip the pre-amplifier. However, you just have to be careful with the sensitivity matching between the transporter and the amplifier which may require some passive attenuation (use the built-in jumpers of the Transporter if you use RCA cables, external attenuators if XLR). Good luck. Ligald -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in TAS
Hi, Very interesting! Could you provide the review or a link. Thanks -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63161 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter into amp or pre?
Hi, Before buying my final setup, I was really interested in Parasound and I auditioned the combo A21/P3; I was really disappointed. As the A21 really has an excellent reputation, I think that the problem came from the pre-amplifier. This experience definitively convinced me to go into a pre-amplifier free configuration. -- ligald Slimdevices Transporter - Classé CA-2200 power amp - BW 802d loudspeakers ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with ampmatching - are these specs ok?
Hi, The matching between the TP output and the amp input is really important. The relation is the following: Pmax = Umax * Umax /R The specs rate the full power of the amp Pmax = 250 W @ Umax = 33 Vrms = 1.6*20 Vrms By driving the amp directly from the TP (without analogue attenuation), you'll have to apply digital volume attenuation to avoid providing higher voltage than 1.6 Vrms If you add -10db analogue attenuation (by changing the internal jumper settings), you limit the output voltage to 0.6 Vrms. You'll therefore provide a maximum of 0.6*20 = 12 Vrms (instead of 33 Vrms) which will limit your maximal output power to 35 W. If this is not powerfull enough, you may prefer external attenuators of -6db (= 100 W) in order to get a better match. I hope this was clear. The shortest audio path is better and adding a pre-amp will just be worst as you'll add additional gain. Good luck Ligald -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61156 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The best power-amplifier for Logitech's Transporter?
Hi, I made a listening test yesterday by my local BW dealer. We plugged the TP directly into a Classé CA-2200 amplifier (with -10dB attenuation on the RCA outputs)and the result was just amazing. The dealer never heard about the TP before and told me that it was really impressed and that was a winning combo. This experience definitively convinced me to skip the preamp in any high-end installation. This will provides the shortest audio path and consequently, the purest sound. -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The best power-amplifier for Logitech's Transporter?
Hi, Should be fine. Try first to connect the TP with the unbalanced outputs (RCA) and add -10dB attenuation by changing the jumper position internally in the TP. This will lower your output voltage from 2Vrms to 0.6 Vrms (~1/3) and avoid any problem. If the volume is loud enough, this is fine and keep it this way; you can then adjust the volume for your daily use with the digital control. If it is still much too loud, try with -20dB. Otherwise, put the jumpers back (attenuation 0dB). BTW, I intend to purchase an amps with the same specs (Parasound A21) which provides adjustable gain control. I'll also connect my TP directly into it. Good luck. Ligald -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The best power-amplifier for Logitech's Transporter?
Hi, That exactly what I'll do. My amp has both balanced and unbalanced inputs and I'll of course prefer the balanced ones. I'll need analog XLR attenuator, do you have any model/brand to recommend (I don't want to build it myself). Thanks -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter balanced outputs
Hello, I'm very interested in purchasing a new power amplifier and I'm considering the Parasound A21. I'm wondering about the best matching between this amp (which has both balanced and unbalanced inputs) and the Transporter. In order to get the shortest audio path, the ultimate solution would theoretically be to drive the amp directly form the TP(skipping the pre-amp) with the balanced connectors, by eventually adding an attenuator. However is it possible to control the balanced output level with the digital control of the TP or is the level fixed to 3Vrms? Anyone having a power amp driven directly by the TP? What would be your advice. Thanks. Ligald -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The best power-amplifier for Logitech's Transporter?
Hi, Regarding the amp sensitivity, you recommends a sensitivity lower than 1.5V. Why lower is better? I understand that you want avoiding a sensitivity higher than the TP one in order to benefit from the full power of your amp. However, for smaller sensitivity, you will have to insert attenuator to avoid matching problems. The best case would not be to have a amp input sensitivity that matches the TP output one (~3 Vrms for balanced output) ? Thanks -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter balanced outputs
Thank you, I'm convinced that the shortest the audio path is, the better it is. The TP providing high level outputs, I really could not see any interest of adding pre-amp -except for its switching capabilities - which role initially consists of amplifying low level inputs to match the amp input. However, you have to deal with the sensitivity matching... How did you managed the sensitivity matching between TP and the amp input? You probably added attenuators with fixed or variable gain. Do you have any brand/model to recommend? Or do you know if there exist balanced cables with integrated attenuators? -- ligald Transporter (wired) PC with XP Pro SP3 1GB RAM ligald's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12437 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60495 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
