Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transport user queries
kphinney;478506 Wrote: Humor me and try this: Go analog from your TP to your Rotel and from the Rotel ONLY to the 703's. I understand that you probably want to have all of the speakers and gear and probably use it as a home theater, but this will give you an idea of what a simple and clean path can really do. Then tweak accordingly from there. I only mention this because I think once you hear what you've been missing you'll be shocked. so I bit the bullet, swapped out the 4308 1080, for a Rotel RSP-1570 processor RMB-1575 5ch poweramp... my sound guy did a pretty decent trade in on the old amps too so was well happy with that fired up the TP, ran the 1570 in 2ch bypass mode... WOW so this is what my 703s should have been sounding like all this time? there's finally actual BASS coming from them heh you're right, very shocked at what i've been missing... the difference the new Class D amps have made is astounding... a more clinical sound yes, but far more engaging, i'm hearing sounds never knew where there before before my system sounded pretty average at low volumes, and quite harsh at very high volumes now it's crystal clear and smooth at any volume, no brittle harshness even when I really belt it out even playing CDs in the Beosound is infinitely better plus the amps run so cool the TP doesn't overheat anything like it use to thanks for the advice, much appreciated! :) now if I can just get the issue with Duet remote constantly going to sleep and crashing every time i 'wake it up', and be able to fast-foward when using .cue files for single mp3/flac mixed file, i'll be a right happy camper :D -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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It's nice to know I got something right for a change. Glad to hear it working for you. Sometimes simple is best. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ;481437 Wrote: hmmm thought that would be the case 1 side of the room is 3 double glazed sliding glass doors, the rear of the room already has 2 large canvas pieces on the wall, and the other side is open plan to the end of the kitchen so not really much that can be done might perhaps look at just upgrading the Rotel then if I'm still not happy with the sound :) thanks for the advice! Actually, that's not all that bad and quite common. First, your open kitchen is fine. Nothing you can do about that and I'm sure it has enough odd angles in it to keep the waves from focusing on one particular area in your A/V room. Second: The rear wall. As long as your speakers are out from the wall you are fine. And you can always add acoustic foam _under_ the paintings. Refer to the Cardas website for optimum placement away from the rear wall. Third: The glass wall may be the easiest one yet to affect a real positive improvement. There are a few companies that make 'acoustic' or noise-blocking curtains. Typically for city environments where your want to eliminate street noise from entering. I bought some when living in Boston and when we moved to the ocean I found that they make for great interior absorption also. I like looking out when listening to music, but the sound is much more refined when I close the curtains. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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there is nothing I can do with the layout of the room, the position of the speakers, or re-arranging the position of the TP in my stack, unfortunately... that level of my house is an open plan rectangle, with the kitchen at one end lounge/home av at the other... with where my LCD is mounted and shelf/cabinets is for the equipment, the speakers can only be in one position, but for what I had to work with it seems to work ok. I spent the weekend pulling everything out, re-configuring and tweaking put the straps in to the 703s so not bi-amping, and powered with only the Rotel RB-1080... little less bottom end through the 703s, but does seem to be a much smoother sound I'm happy with it thus far :) tried re-arranging the stack so both amps were on one side, and my dvd/TP/beyonwiz on the other... amp stack won't fit, about 15mm too high... so my only option is to keep the TP where it is, on top of the rotel and under the beyonwiz... though after playing music for a few hours the TP was so hot to the touch I couldn't put my hand on it... I will however order in some of those black ravioli risers to give it more space between the components, hopefully that will help. put the old DAC8 in my bedroom with my SB Duet, it's just a small system with a pair of mounted Minipods the Bass Station, for that room sounds great... I know it's not high end but I was a fan of the old Blueroom pods from way back as a thought though, do you think replacing the Denon 4308, with say a Rotel RSP-1570 surround sound processor, a Rotel RMB-1575 250w 5ch Power Amp, would make much difference? or is it going to be much the same? worked out I can get away with spending around $4,000 to get it done with trading in the Denon, but obviously there's little point if it's not going to make much difference -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cool thanks for the input, much appreciated pretty much the same response as the guy who advised/sold/installed my system... don't think I've ever had a sales guy advise me NOT to spend $ or buy more equipment heh. said there would be an improvement, but probably not overly noticeable, certainly not $4k worth of sound improvement... was rather impressed with his honesty. as for the positions of the equipment, it's a small cabinet, with the denon on the bottom left dvd sitting on top of it (neither get very hot, slightly warm at best, even after hours of thrashing my system), on the right bottom is the rotel, TP on top of it, and Beyonwiz on top of that... the rotel gets a bit warm, but not overly hot, the TP absolutely cooks, which I find rather odd compared to the rest of the components, and the Beyonwiz gets a bit hot but only at the back where the hard drive is located, so maybe that's what's causing the TP to overheat, more so than the rotel? have considered putting some fans in there, that's my next step... order in some black ravioli to give a bit of space in between the rotel beyonwiz, then see if I can mount some fans to the side of the cabinet get a bit of airflow through there there's glass doors on the front of the cabinet, which I had custom made with three large cutouts to allow airflow, so the cabinet's not totally enclosed are there any sort of room treatments one could make, without changing the look of my lounge room though?... it's very clean minimal with a few bits of art around the place, which is the way I like it :p -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ;481382 Wrote: there is nothing I can do with the layout of the room, the position of the speakers, or re-arranging the position of the TP in my stack, unfortunately... ... so my only option is to keep the TP where it is, on top of the rotel and under the beyonwiz... Swiching up from the Denon to the Rotel may make a difference, but only in certain formats. If you're focusing on the TP sound, then I'd hazard to say the difference would be slight. If you're going for home-theater, then I'd put my chips on the Rotel over the Denon. But again, my primary concern would be moving the TP and Beyonwiz. The cost of both adding to over $3k, it'd be sad to loose or shorten their life because of the heat off of the amp. How about a DIY fix using a laptop cooler or even computer tower fans? But -- I may be off base. Perhaps the TP will survive the heat, or at least protect the DVD unit. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ;481400 Wrote: are there any sort of room treatments one could make, without changing the look of my lounge room though?... it's very clean minimal with a few bits of art around the place, which is the way I like it Art is a very good start. You may not see benefits in room treatments if you have enough stuff absorbing and deflecting sound. There are a few DIY room treatments you can make custom for your space. I don't have any of the websites with the exact specs in front of me right now, but it's basically JoAnne Fabrics speaker covering (in all colors and patterns) over egg-crate and foam filled 1x3's. Think picture frames with a felt-like covering. That is the type that absorb. You can also reflect, like in the case of sharp concave corners where standing waves reside or those that, like on your rear wall, could cause constructive interference waves which blast subtle sounds into your listening area after they should have died out. I'm regurgitating what I've read and I have only practical knowledge from building my own listening room from the bottom up. Literally. I started with a basement. Concrete walls and floor. Built in flooring and covered with rigs and carpets. Improvement. Sheetrock - improvement. Used plywood to cover 90ยบ wall to wall angles from _| to _/ - improvement. Then I played with DIY room treatments but perhaps the power tools already killed my hearing cause I still can't tell much of a difference. However, I can tell the difference when I moved in a bookcase and a shelf for my LP's. So maybe I just didn't make very good treatments. Sometimes it seems that a well placed folded cozy blanket can take a bit of the high end edge off. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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hmmm thought that would be the case 1 side of the room is 3 double glazed sliding glass doors, the rear of the room already has 2 large canvas pieces on the wall, and the other side is open plan to the end of the kitchen so not really much that can be done might perhaps look at just upgrading the Rotel then if I'm still not happy with the sound :) thanks for the advice! -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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kphinney;478522 Wrote: I was told once on this forum, maybe 3 years ago and it has held true for me: The biggest improvement you can make is to improve your listening room. Yup, speakers and room always come first. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SuperQ;480054 Wrote: Yup, speakers and room always come first. I agree, too. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Themis;480064 Wrote: I agree, too. ;) (although for the room, you don't need to do much, just reasonably fill it with everyday mess^^) I'm partial to stacks of books and bookshelves. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ;478017 Wrote: hmmm maybe it's not setup in the best configuration then? a number of places I went to who sell and consult on high end gear said the best option would be to use the bi-amp feature of the Denon for the 703s, and if I found that didn't power the drivers of the 703s enough, then get in a poweramp just for them ran the system in for a few weeks, wasn't happy with it, place I bought everything from and did the setup/cabling for me came out and put in the rotel to power the drivers of the 703s so the denon powers the DS7s, HTM7, just the mid-hi on the 703s, with the rotel powering the drivers on the 703s when I listen to music it's either in pure direct or 5ch stereo mode, on the odd occasion I watch a dvd/movie I use the surround sound mode of the denon i definitely do get better bass response from the 703 with the rotel powering the drivers than using the denon to bi-amp You should use the Rotel to bi-amp the front speakers. It is a better amp than the Denon's power section imho. Let the Denon power the surround and center speakers. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Themis;478107 Wrote: You should use the Rotel to bi-amp the front speakers. It is a better amp than the Denon's power section imho. Let the Denon power the surround and center speakers. cool thanks for the tip though pardon one's ignorance, if I use the straps that came with the 703s (as the Rotel only has 1 channel) then I wouldn't be bi-amping them? -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ - You've got the gear to do a number of tests to determine your own best path. First, I'd have to disagree (if not take offense) at earwaxers chide about the Rotel. IMHO. I've had an RA-1210 since the 70's and it still produces warm clean tones. Though I don't use it, it still has a place in my heart and basement along with the over powered 6-way speakers it used to drive. Second, it almost sounds like you are going for raw power over musical nuance and aesthetics over simplicity. In all likelihood that $20 SONY DiskMan stuck in your closet may sound identical to your Beosound if they are both put through the same DAC (provided the Diskman has a digital/optical out). Humor me and try this: Go analog from your TP to your Rotel and from the Rotel ONLY to the 703's. Set the 703's up as directed here: http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insightscontent_id=26pagestring=Room+Setup Remove the TP from the top of your Rotel!! and listen. I understand that you probably want to have all of the speakers and gear and probably use it as a home theater, but this will give you an idea of what a simple and clean path can really do. Then tweak accordingly from there. I only mention this because I think once you hear what you've been missing you'll be shocked. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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thanks kphinney, appreciate the constructive response I've always been a fan of rotel as well, and I quite like my RB-1080, for the price point it suited the purpose fine I guess I tried to go for a balance between raw power/aesthetics musical refinement when I listen to say some acoustic, jazz, or deep house sounds, I want to hear perfect percussion tight bass... when I listen to something more uptempo say some deep tech, minimal, or electro, I want raw power and deep bass, and when I watch movies I want the high end surround sound all whilst looking good (hence the Beosound) in my house for the most part I think I achieved that somewhat, however wanted to upgrade to a better DAC and have a transport for my digital music and live sets/recordings, so the TP seemed like the perfect product the more I play around with it and listen, the more I find myself falling in love with it unfortunately due to the layout of the room I was limited with my speaker placement and they can't be moved... though obviously my system could do with a bit of tweaking, so I'll give what you suggested a bell over the w/end and see how she sounds :) -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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I was told once on this forum, maybe 3 years ago and it has held true for me: The biggest improvement you can make is to improve your listening room. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ;477601 Wrote: the rotel is only powering the drivers of the 703s, the denon is doing the mid/hi unfortunately I have limited space to work with as well, the speakers can't be positioned any differently Are you telling me you're bi-amping the 703's with two different amps ? oO If it's the case (if I understood properly) I advise you to use only one amp. Amplifiers interact with speakers, two amplifiers interact differently (damping factors, etc) and they can rarely be used in conjunction for bi-amping. Use just the Rotel, for instance, even with straps. If you find it is not enough for amping your speakers, then you should consider getting another power amp. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Themis;476351 Wrote: Well, I suppose that the Denon's preamp stage covers (and influences) most of the differences between your DAC8 and the Transporter analog output. On the other hand, if you consider that the highs do appear to be quite brittle and harsh, especially at loud volumes then, probably, the power amp has some difficulties with the 703's. Or your room has a problem regarding the mid-high frequencies. I would suggest two things : First, you should try putting +12dB level on the analog input of the TP. If you still have the harsh on high volumes problem, try placing your speakers differently, or try a different amp. the rotel is only powering the drivers of the 703s, the denon is doing the mid/hi unfortunately I have limited space to work with as well, the speakers can't be positioned any differently earwaxer;477161 Wrote: Dont put the DAC on the amp. Dont put anything on the amp. First of all - The Rotel is second rate. Sorry - I had a Proton back in the 80's. It was great so I thought. It's all relative. When you get into the real stuff you are going to put your Rotel up for sale lickety split! My bias is get the hell out of class A/B. Either go tubes, or class T, D or pure class A. I tried mosfets - no way - I'm into class T now and I'm not turning back. I though about tubes at one stage but cap tweaking has done the trick. The Transport is one awesome sounding front end. Work on the other stuff and dont bitch about the Transport! bitch about the Transport? I fail to see ANYWHERE that I was actually bitching about the Transporter in the slightest. I was surprised at my initial response and limited testing of the TP, and the level to which it heats up compared to say my main amp, but that's about it! the Rotel isn't the best, but for the price point and sole purpose of powering the drivers of the 703s, it does a decent job of it, and far better than Bi-amping the 703s with the Denon... obviously the next bit to upgrade in my setup would be the Denon, but that's quite a way off yet. after giving it a good decent thrashing over the w/end, I've actually come to fall in love with the TP... I only had a chance to listen to CD's through the TP initially and not any of my digital music yet as it wasn't set up good god after firing up some of my digital music, I was absolutely blown away... never has my system sounded so damn good! playing CDs through the TP, whilst it still sounds good, seems to maybe be a bit hit and miss depending what I'm playing, however that's probably more to do with the Beosound not being all that flash quality CD player... which I knew when I bought it, I bought it as a nice functional 'looks good' piece for my house more than for high quality audio, which is why it needs a good DAC. all n all I'm extremely happy with the TP, just need to look at the heat issues cos it's going to be a right bitch in summer, maybe try and get some bigger feet in there to give it a bit more space -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Farq,my Transporter sits on the top shelf of my rack and always runs cool. i've been using a product called Black Ravioli for a number of years now,it was developed by a naval acoustics bod. i have each of my units supported by four of these pads and their isolation properties are pretty good. here's a link to the company and it's products. Cheers dennis http://www.blackravioli.co.uk/ +---+ |Filename: pad-1.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8560| +---+ -- dennis55 Slim Devices/Logitech Transporter Bonnec Audiosysteme Timpano Linn Products Akurate C4200 Totem Acoustics Forest SqueezeBox Radio Duet Controller Linn LP12/Cirkus/Ekos2/Dynavector DV17D2/Linn Linto/Linn Lingo1 last.fm/dennis55 dennis55's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Themis;477642 Wrote: Are you telling me you're bi-amping the 703's with two different amps ? oO If it's the case (if I understood properly) I advise you to use only one amp. Amplifiers interact with speakers, two amplifiers interact differently (damping factors, etc) and they can rarely be used in conjunction for bi-amping. Use just the Rotel, for instance, even with straps. If you find it is not enough for amping your speakers, then you should consider getting another power amp. hmmm maybe it's not setup in the best configuration then? a number of places I went to who sell and consult on high end gear said the best option would be to use the bi-amp feature of the Denon for the 703s, and if I found that didn't power the drivers of the 703s enough, then get in a poweramp just for them ran the system in for a few weeks, wasn't happy with it, place I bought everything from and did the setup/cabling for me came out and put in the rotel to power the drivers of the 703s so the denon powers the DS7s, HTM7, just the mid-hi on the 703s, with the rotel powering the drivers on the 703s when I listen to music it's either in pure direct or 5ch stereo mode, on the odd occasion I watch a dvd/movie I use the surround sound mode of the denon i definitely do get better bass response from the 703 with the rotel powering the drivers than using the denon to bi-amp dennis55;478011 Wrote: Farq,my Transporter sits on the top shelf of my rack and always runs cool. i've been using a product called Black Ravioli for a number of years now,it was developed by a naval acoustics bod. i have each of my units supported by four of these pads and their isolation properties are pretty good. here's a link to the company and it's products. Cheers dennis http://www.blackravioli.co.uk/ great thanks for that dennis, will definitely check it out! -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Dont put the DAC on the amp. Dont put anything on the amp. First of all - The Rotel is second rate. Sorry - I had a Proton back in the 80's. It was great so I thought. It's all relative. When you get into the real stuff you are going to put your Rotel up for sale lickety split! My bias is get the hell out of class A/B. Either go tubes, or class T, D or pure class A. I tried mosfets - no way - I'm into class T now and I'm not turning back. I though about tubes at one stage but cap tweaking has done the trick. The Transport is one awesome sounding front end. Work on the other stuff and dont bitch about the Transport! -- earwaxer Waxer Transporter Winsome labs mouse (modified) Maggie MMG's (modified) JPS Labs power cords Audioquest Granite speaker wire Silver Bullet interconnect HSU research sub earwaxer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32040 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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FARQ;476244 Wrote: I have all of the naff auto room EQ and Audyssey disabled on the Denon When listening to music I only use either Pure Direct, or 5ch Stereo so it powers all the speakers. Well, I suppose that the Denon's preamp stage covers (and influences) most of the differences between your DAC8 and the Transporter analog output. On the other hand, if you consider that the highs do appear to be quite brittle and harsh, especially at loud volumes then, probably, the power amp has some difficulties with the 703's. Or your room has a problem regarding the mid-high frequencies. I would suggest two things : First, you should try putting +12dB level on the analog input of the TP. If you still have the harsh on high volumes problem, try placing your speakers differently, or try a different amp. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Do you listen to your setup through the PURE DIRECT mode or through the Audyssey EQ ? -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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My TP barely gets warm, something else is generating the excess heat. The VU meters are generated by SBS and are not available when using digital inputs. -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transport user queries
SuperQ;475738 Wrote: The front is one of the warmer parts due to the VFD display heaters. makes sense I guess although when using the digital input from the Beosound there's little going on on the display SuperQ;475738 Wrote: Back on the topic of audio quality, are you adjusting the volume on the transporter at all? Do you notice it sounds louder or softer than the other transports you use? A very small volume difference can mean a lot to your ears when it comes to audio quality. volume is fixed at 100% in the settings, I use the Denon to control the volume level whilst I've been giving the system a bit of a belting testing it, these days I listen to much lower volumes damn tinnitus heh SuperQ;475738 Wrote: It might be worth doing this: Get a pink/white noise track and play it back on different sources. You can measure the output to your speakers either with a SPL meter or by directly measuring the voltage across the speaker terminals with a good digital multi-meter. don't have either, and getting to the back of equipment is a notorious pain in the arse... all looks great with nought a cable in sight, but it means it took me over an hour just to switch out the old DAC with the TP hah! :D Themis;475852 Wrote: Do you listen to your setup through the PURE DIRECT mode or through the Audyssey EQ ? I have all of the naff auto room EQ and Audyssey disabled on the Denon When listening to music I only use either Pure Direct, or 5ch Stereo. ghostrider;475938 Wrote: My TP barely gets warm, something else is generating the excess heat. The VU meters are generated by SBS and are not available when using digital inputs. hmmm strange, I can understand the TP getting a lot warmer than my old DAC given what it does, but like I said in comparison to the Denon which one would expect to get pretty toasty, the TP runs hotter after a good few hours how it runs hotter than something like the Denon just doesn't seem quite right to me? I'm sure having it in between the Rotel and Beyonwiz isn't helping matters and I expected it to get a bit warm in there, but no where near as hot as it's getting! Bugger that the VU meters aren't available using the digital inputs, is there any kind of mod or hack to enable this? (wishful thinking I'm sure!) One last question, is anyone using the TP with a Logitech Harmony universal remote? The setup software is highly annoying since it doesn't let you manually set up the remote the way one wants, though for most of my devices i've managed to get around the way it TELLS you how it should be setup... i've tried assigning the 'favourites' button and then the 'play' button to select the digital input (it's the only thing i've added to favourites), yet after the remote turns on the TP it doesn't do it... one would have thought given they're both Logitceh they'd work in harmony with each other -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transport user queries
FARQ;475647 Wrote: strangely enough my first reaction was, I preferred the sound through the old crappy DAC8, something I certainly wasn't expecting though whilst there is more bass through the DAC8, the sound is slightly on the muddy side... whilst through the transporter my music seemed more 'alive' and refined, less bass but a tighter sound, however the highs do appear to be quite brittle and harsh, especially at loud volumes. maybe i'm just use to the DAC8, or the transport needs a decent burn in period? Not burnin, your ears are just used to the previous setup. Give it time, your ears will adjust, not the equipment. I've also noticed the Transporter gets DAMN fecking hot! by the time I finished up it was too hot to put my hand on it, is that normal? granted I've got it sitting on top of the Rotel, and my Beyonwiz digi set top box on top of the Transporter... but that's where the DAC8 was and it barely got warm even in the hot summer months... the Rotel runs pretty cool, and the only heat coming from the Beyonwiz is from the rear where the hard drive is even the Denon 4308 doesn't get as hot as the Transporter! I guess I don't know what you consider too hot to put your hand on. Mine is warm, but never anything I would consider HOT. However I don't put anything above or below mine without some space to allow it to get airflow. I would either space out the gear, or move the TP to a different part of the stack. It uses a bit more power than your average DAC unit due to the extra CPU electronics and VFD displays. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transport user queries
SuperQ;475691 Wrote: Not burnin, your ears are just used to the previous setup. Give it time, your ears will adjust, not the equipment. I've always been curious as to whether 'burn in time' makes any difference or not... half of what I've read up on people swear it does, the other half says it doesn't shrug SuperQ;475691 Wrote: I guess I don't know what you consider too hot to put your hand on. Mine is warm, but never anything I would consider HOT. However I don't put anything above or below mine without some space to allow it to get airflow. I would either space out the gear, or move the TP to a different part of the stack. It uses a bit more power than your average DAC unit due to the extra CPU electronics and VFD displays. the Denon can get pretty toasty, especially during summer when my system gets a thrashing, but nothing 'too hot to handle'. the Transporter was pretty hot to the touch all over, even on the front, and the top of the unit was getting close to too hot to put my hand on, which just doesn't seem right in comparison to say the Denon. yes ideally it would be sitting by itself, in all its glory, however unfortunately there is nowhere else it can be placed... very limited area where all the equipment is housed, 2 small stacks with 3 bits of kit in each... might look in to getting some bigger feet to give it a bit more breathing room though. -- FARQ FARQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New transport user queries
The front is one of the warmer parts due to the VFD display heaters. Back on the topic of audio quality, are you adjusting the volume on the transporter at all? Do you notice it sounds louder or softer than the other transports you use? A very small volume difference can mean a lot to your ears when it comes to audio quality. It might be worth doing this: Get a pink/white noise track and play it back on different sources. You can measure the output to your speakers either with a SPL meter or by directly measuring the voltage across the speaker terminals with a good digital multi-meter. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
