Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
If someone needs 20kts over VNE with the glider I am happy to replace the instrument. Grietje On 9/09/13 12:19 AM, Ian Mc Phee wrote: And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs noting extra (just ask) Ian McPhee PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to be getting it right. . On 9 September 2013 06:28, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: That instrument panel picture tells you why it is a bad idea to integrate the flight recorder into your soaring instruments. Mike *Borgelt Instruments*- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 tel:%2B61-42835%205784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote: And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs noting extra (just ask) Ian McPhee PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to be getting it right. . So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or is the whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard product on the Winter website. So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider is designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during certification to 5% over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne would seem to me to be adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max reading on the ASI this one seems to be. So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different requirement? No doubt our Australian air is different. Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow? Engine not working? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
If the buyer goes 20 knots over VNE would you be happy to replace the glider? From: Grietje Wansink Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31 If someone needs 20kts over VNE with the glider I am happy to replace the instrument. Grietje On 9/09/13 12:19 AM, Ian Mc Phee wrote: And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs noting extra (just ask) Ian McPhee PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to be getting it right. . On 9 September 2013 06:28, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: That instrument panel picture tells you why it is a bad idea to integrate the flight recorder into your soaring instruments. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6648 - Release Date: 09/08/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
Glider is EASA approved, instruments are EASA standard. For safety reasons, we don't allow pilots to self launch when hiring a glider from us. Grietje On 9/09/13 9:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote: And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs noting extra (just ask) Ian McPhee PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to be getting it right. . So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or is the whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard product on the Winter website. So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider is designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during certification to 5% over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne would seem to me to be adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max reading on the ASI this one seems to be. So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different requirement? No doubt our Australian air is different. Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow? Engine not working? Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
Hello all I noticed that the subject of ASI labelling on new gliders is coming up every few months or so. To put members of this newsgroup at ease it should be said that Schleicher already complies with the requirement after Ian Mc Phee made a corresponding suggestion some time ago. New Schleicher gliders come with ASIs which indicate 20 kts above Vne (usually 170 kts). Kind regards to all Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 South Australia Ph/Fax 08-84492871 Mobile 0412 981 204 ec...@internode.on.net _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Grietje Wansink Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 5:28 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31 Glider is EASA approved, instruments are EASA standard. For safety reasons, we don't allow pilots to self launch when hiring a glider from us. Grietje On 9/09/13 9:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 08:19 AM 9/09/2013, you wrote: And notice Winter ASI VNE (red radial) seems to be 150kts or 152kts. Strictly speaking GFA require for issue if Australian C of A an ASI with markings on ASIs 20 kts over the VNE. To all considering new gliders ask the factory for an ASI with a mark at 170kts as have been provided by Achim Winter for more than 10 years and costs noting extra (just ask) Ian McPhee PS several other makers are missing this ASI mark issue also but JS1 seem to be getting it right. . So does the 170kt ASI just move the stop a little further around or is the whole dial scale changed? It doesn't seem to be a standard product on the Winter website. So who dreamed up this requirement? Last I looked at CS22 the glider is designed to 10% over placarded Vne, test flown during certification to 5% over. An ASI in service that reads to 5% over Vne would seem to me to be adequate which at 152Kts Vne and 160 kts max reading on the ASI this one seems to be. So is this ASI acceptable to EASA? If so why do we have a different requirement? No doubt our Australian air is different. Also interested to know why 95% of the launches were by aerotow? Engine not working? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all useful? It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery from an unusual attitude when cloud flying. Which you aren't meant to do in Australia. Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked from the nether regions during some meeting? Mike Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should tighten you harness and put your head forward in preparation for kissing your arse goodbye! Michael On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all useful? It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery from an unusual attitude when cloud flying. Which you aren't meant to do in Australia. Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked from the nether regions during some meeting? Mike Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
There is another V speed above Vne that a qualified test pilot is allowed to fly the aircraft to during testing. Due to a very slow internet I am unable to find the authoritive source, but it is out there. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Michael Scutter Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 6:33 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31 It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should tighten you harness and put your head forward in preparation for kissing your arse goodbye! Michael On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all useful? It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery from an unusual attitude when cloud flying. Which you aren't meant to do in Australia. Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked from the nether regions during some meeting? Mike Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
See my post at 5:41 PM Mike At 07:07 PM 9/09/2013, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0116_01CEAD8B.AB1AC200 Content-Language: en-au There is another V speed above Vne that a qualified test pilot is allowed to fly the aircraft to during testing. Due to a very slow internet I am unable to find the authoritive source, but it is out there. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Michael Scutter Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 6:33 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31 It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should tighten you harness and put your head forward in preparation for kissing your arse goodbye! Michael On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all useful? It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery from an unusual attitude when cloud flying. Which you aren't meant to do in Australia. Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked from the nether regions during some meeting? Mike Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
20 years ago SSA when you joined as a member they would renew your comp licence automatically on your SSA membership card. I think you had to have silver C to be eligible. Jim Staniforth what happens in USA these days?Ian M On 9 September 2013 18:56, Plchampness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, ** ** This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. ** ** However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. ** ** Cheers ** ** *Tim* *Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare* ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ross McLean *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal ** ** When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stevenson *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal ** ** Hi Robert, *In a bit more detail*, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: ** ** GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 ** ** As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. ** ** Good luck. Gary ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Matt Gage *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM *To:* crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal ** ** Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! ** ** ** ** ** ** On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: ** ** Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- *Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! * *Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 * ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ** ** -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date: 08/23/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Hi all, The FAI Competition Licence is a requirement for claiming FAI records, and badges and certificates above a certain level. This is not a GFA decision and there is nothing GFA can do about it. The competition licence – in this respect - is not a GFA matter. The decision to require a Competition Licence for entry into endorsed competitions was a question of insurance. In order to obtain insurance cover for competition officials, the insurers said that a Competition Licence would be a requirement. The Application for a new Competition Licence requires a CFI signature, which indicates that in the CFI’s opinion that person is sufficiently skilled to fly in a competition. That may or may not enhance safety, but it is at least an independent assessment by someone who ought to know. The result of changing this rule would be that competition officials would not be covered by GFA insurance. And so, there would be no competition officials, at least none who had a family, or owned a house. J Which might fall into your “anything else” category. Or maybe not. It is possible that some other requirement could be negotiated with the insurer – for example that every competitor holds a GPC – but that might be seen to be even more onerous, and limiting on entry-level competitors. You can be sure that I would not be a competition official without the benefit of insurance cover. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Plchampness Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 18:57 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Go to the GFA online shop and look under FAI - not Sport ! On 09/09/2013, at 7:01 , Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've spent a frustrating time trying to find information on the GFA web site on how to renew my competition licence - to no avail. Please can someone point me to the web reference to this - or otherwise tell me how to do this? Tks -- Note: I am changing my email address - please only use my gmail address from now on! Robert Hart crispin...@gmail.com +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6601 - Release Date:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal
Peter, I am amazed that you again raise this hoary old topic. In fact it is an “old whore” topic. I worked in the gold mining industry (exploration), for some time and the big question then was” how do you tell the real thing from the common (wh)ore? Groan. Given that I claim no expertise at all on this subject, (unlike other postees on this site who would like you to believe they represent God Almighty on any given topic), I think I can make a whole series of totally unproven claims, with total aplomb. Apropos of nothing, let me remind you (just in case you may have forgotten - a couple of days have after all passed), that we have VERY recently concluded an election, the outcome of which is that this country now has a new g’ment. Hooray, Hooray!! ?? Did you take careful note of all the pre-election “promises”, especially those made by the party which is now set to govern Australia for the next few years? Let me propose (I am after all very naive), that the FAI exists to do something that (among many other (possibly conflicting interests), involves supporting and advancing the gliding movement on a worldwide basis. You might have to go to the FAI website and do a bit of basic research to find out what they actually claim is their “mission”. Then you might like to also have a look at their outcomes record. Regardless of outcomes, all this requires large (??), amounts of funds to support an underlying bureaucracy: QED, we have the FAI Competitors Licence, and in Australia, the $ 5 pa fee. Do any of you read books these days? Maybe not, or maybe not very often. Regardless, most of you have probably at least heard of Bernie Ecclestone. A (possibly ex) friend of Bernie’s named Susan Watkins wrote a biography of the man. Here are the title details “Bernie: The Biography of Bernie Ecclestone”. Last I heard, Bernie was a top 10, or better, contender for the “World’s Richest” title. Bernie was always into cars, and he became ”involved” with Formula One racing. Read his story, and then ask yourself was BE good for F1 motor racing.? There is no doubt that F1 was good for Bernie! Here are a couple of questions to ponder: · Does gliding need someone like Bernie? · Do you think that there are (any) parallels between top level gliding, and F1 motor racing as shaped by BE? Cheers, Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Plchampness Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 6:57 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Why do we have the competition licence? It used to be the Silver badge was the necessary qualification. What does the competition licence add to safety or anything else? Yours Peter Champness On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Ross, This is an FAI document not a GFA one, and the requirements may therefore be set by someone else. However, I will talk to Beryl and see what may be done. Cheers Tim Tra dire e fare c’è mezzo il mare From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 12:16 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal When are we going to automate this process? Why does Beryl have to personally sign everyone's competition licence renewal? It is a process embedded in 1960's thinking. Surely there is a way that these renewals can be completed online now? ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 10:39 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'; crispin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence renewal Hi Robert, In a bit more detail, this is what you need to do. Pay for your renewal ($10.00) at the GFA shop. You will automatically get an email receipt, within minutes if you pay using a credit card. The office staff will let Beryl Hartley know (via email) that you have paid. Post you licence to Beryl. I suggest that you include a copy of your receipt as well – belts and braces. Here is the address: GFA-FAI Claims Officer Beryl Hartley PO Box 275 Narromine NSW 2821 As Beryl is now back from Poland, you should get your updated licence, quite quickly. Good luck. Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matt Gage Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013 7:16 AM To: crispin...@gmail.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licence
[Aus-soaring] 'Sarah Lee' layer upon layer
On 09/09/2013, at 10:47 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Here are a couple of questions to ponder: · Does gliding need someone like Bernie? · Do you think that there are (any) parallels between top level gliding, and F1 motor racing as shaped by BE? Looking in from the outside: 1. Terry Cubley is a driving force for Grand Prix which draws on such traditions. 2. There is a place for the next layer to evolve from the FAI Worlds traditions. 3. There is a CAMS-like national place for classes nationally. 4. There is a void available for the Targa style and type specific local events which circulate regionally/nationally. 5. And outside the format we now recognise as 'gliding', there are separate formats which cater to special interest groups who can't operate within the structures that we have for gliding; ie where the 'racing' is not compatible with limited handicap ranges, current taskings formats, etc. Vintage is an example - in South Australia the motoring world has 'Bay to Birdwood' now in both Vintage and Classic forms alternating even odd years. At the other end of the spectrum Global Green Challenge as a totally different sector similarly not compatible with traditional racing. And so on. 6. There are inevitably street racers from Gone in 60 Secs to race track open days. So 3 and 4 encapsulate 'the GFA' as we know it, 1 2 the Bernies of the gliding world, with some of the other categories being thought about, followed and prototyped by others with or without connection to the above. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ADS-B fuel efficiencies
From 12 December 2013, all aircraft operating in Australian airspace at or above FL 290 must carry approved, serviceable Automatic Dependent Surveillance–Broadcast (ADS-B) avionics equipment Without approved ADS-B avionics, aircraft will not be cleared by ATC for flight at or above FL 290. Non-compliant aircraft must fly below FL 290 and may therefore miss out on the fuel efficiencies created by cruising at optimum flight levels. (Class A airspace extends upwards from FL 245 so there are several flight levels available below FL 290 for non-compliant aircraft.) Glad I've got my diamond height looks like they just made it harder. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 'Sarah Lee' layer upon layer
All, There is already a movement within gliding in Europe to produce an F1 like component in order to get TV promotion with a proposed new race series called Skyrace World Cup. I think the GFA isn't involved at present and as yet no Australian round has been indicated, but hopefully one of the commercial TV networks will pick up the TV series when it gets up and running. See the following links for information: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKdI5pnoaAU - Video called: Can gliding become a tv sport? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vingaroversverige/wings-over-sweden-0 - Project film funded by crowding http://www.skyraceworldcup.com/ - Race website Regards, John Bacchus Marsh Aerodrome Management Victorian Soaring Association Marketing Promotion http://www.gliding.asn.au/ Geelong Gliding Club http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/new/ On 10/09/2013 8:36 AM emilis prelgauskas wrote: On 09/09/2013, at 10:47 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Here are a couple of questions to ponder: middot; Does gliding need someone like Bernie? middot; Do you think that there are (any) parallels between top level gliding, and F1 motor racing as shaped by BE? Looking in from the outside: 1. Terry Cubley is a driving force for Grand Prix which draws on such traditions. 2. There is a place for the next layer to evolve from the FAI Worlds traditions. 3. There is a CAMS-like national place for classes nationally. 4. There is a void available for the Targa style and type specific local events which circulate regionally/nationally. 5. And outside the format we now recognise as 'gliding', there are separate formats which cater to special interest groups who can't operate within the structures that we have for gliding; ie where the 'racing' is not compatible with limited handicap ranges, current taskings formats, etc. Vintage is an example - in South Australia the motoring world has 'Bay to Birdwood' now in both Vintage and Classic forms alternating even odd years. At the other end of the spectrum Global Green Challenge as a totally different sector similarly not compatible with traditional racing. And so on. 6. There are inevitably street racers from Gone in 60 Secs to race track open days. So 3 and 4 encapsulate 'the GFA' as we know it, 1 2 the Bernies of the gliding world, with some of the other categories being thought about, followed and prototyped by others with or without connection to the above. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
Here's the relevant part of CS22 regarding airspeed indicators: CS 22.1323 Air-speed indicating system (a) The air-speed indicating system must be calibrated to indicate true air-speed at sea-level in standard atmosphere with a maximum pitot- static error not exceeding ± 8 km/h or ± 5% whichever is greater, throughout the following speed range 1·2 VS to VNE, and with wing-flaps neutral and air brakes closed. (b) Calibration must be made in flight. (c) The air-speed indicating system must be suitable for speeds between VS0 and at least 1·05 times VNE So a glider like that ASH31Mi with a Vne of 152KIAS needs an ASI capable of reading to at least 159.6 KIAS so the standard Winter ASI which reads to 160 knots would be adequate. So what is the overwhelming reason for Australia to do something different? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CS22
Here's the link to CS22 http://www.easa.europa.eu/agency-measures/docs/certification-specifications/CS-22/CS-22_Amendment%201%20revised.pdf Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
