Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Filomena "Fanny" Freitas

[Maria Lima]

Thanks for sharing this.  It gives hope!

Maria Elena 

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Great news, Kellie!! Just proves that if you keep plugging along you will 
> eventually get your answer!! 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Kellie Crnkovich  
>> wrote:
>> Had to share the break in a brick was for years I have looked for my Great 
>> Uncle Joseph Silva's wife and her real name she was buried under Fanny Silva 
>> with mothers maiden name de Jesus and born in Hawaii died in probably San 
>> Leandro. My mom loved her and she died shortly before I was born from a 
>> lengthy illness. Her children from a previous marriage took care him after 
>> her death. Today I requested RAOGK lookup for either one of their obits 
>> hoping to solve my mystery. And the one found was hers from 1964 listing her 
>> children's names. After a search I found her Filomena Freitas daughter of 
>> Manuel Ferreira Freitas and Helena L de Jesus. I am so excited going to be 
>> sending updates to her findagrave now and adding her real name to the bio 
>> for Uncle Joe that I manage. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Amarante from Manadas, Sao Jorge on the Water Lily to Australia

[Maria Lima]

Hello Tony,

Although we don't seem to be related, my husband's gr gr grandfathers both 
traveled on the Water Lily to the Goldfields in Australia.  They were from 
Ponta Delgada.  They were about 16, and 18 and they traveled with their father, 
Antonio José de Lima and his brother in law, JJ Borges.  

You mentioned an expedition.  Does anyone have more information how I can find 
out more about that?  I'd like to put it in the family history for those 
individuals.

They eventually returned to the Azores and married their first cousins.  The 
family story was that they did find gold.  They were actually part  owners of 
the Humbug Hill Sluicing Company in the Creswick area.  

Have you been able to search in  the Creswick and Clunes Register and 
Advertiser to see if your ancestor is mentioned there?  The minors took each 
other to court for the smallest thing and as a result, I have copes of the many 
times our ancestors  appeared in court and their investigators levemente in the 
cases.  I also got  information on their involvement  in the Humbug Hill 
company.   It really helps to know about their life and struggles there.  I got 
copies of these newspaper articles  from the PROV (Public Records Office 
Victoria.). These are precious family history.

If I can help in some way, let me know.  These ancestors walked the same roads.

Maria Elena 

> On Jul 20, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Repost; not included in the original (Tony, tony_amarant at hotmail.com):
> 
> I'm very interested in this particular family group and would like to know 
> more about the descendants of  Goncalo de AMARANTE. I believe I am a 
> descendant of Jorge de Oliviera AMARANTÉ and his wife Iria Vieira AZEVEDO 
> through their son António de Azevedo AMARANTÉ. Is anyone interested in 
> exchanging information? Regards Tony
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Repost for Tony, tony_amarant at hotmail.com
>> 
>> Hello Eliseu,
>> 
>> My great grandfather was Manoel Amaranté (mistakenly listed below as Manuel 
>> Amarante) and he came from the town of Manadas, Sao Jorge so I'm very keen 
>> to understand the source document of your post. I was aware he came out on 
>> the "Water Lily" but haven't been able to find much more than that. What 
>> else can you tell me about the expedition? Also I'm wondering whether your 
>> location of " Fores Crick mines" should or could be Forest Creek Mine? 
>> Forest Creek near Castlemaine, Victoria was a well known goldfields area 
>> that was dotted with mines and small individual "claims" often referred as 
>> "diggings". My g/grandfather obviously moved on from the "expedition" as I 
>> have found records of him in other goldfield areas of Victoria eventually 
>> settling down in place called Wattle Creek where he operated a quartz 
>> crusher for a time before marrying and becoming a farmer. Hope to hear from 
>> you. Regards, Tony.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pauas Name

[Maria Lima]

Could it be Pavao?  Look at the way the priest wrote the name João - he wrote  
the letter "o" like a big "S".  

Maria Elena 

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:17 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via 
> Azores Genealogy  wrote:
> 
> Hello! 
> 
> Could someone please help me put with what on earth this name is?! Looks like 
> Pauas 
> 
> Groom's name on the right document:
> 
> Matheus Ferreira Pauas?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723/SJR-VL-MANADAS-C-1676-1723_item1/P45.html
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of Azorean Surames Resources

[Maria Lima]

Cheri:  

The top of my husband's pedigree chart goes back to the name Jacome.  I went as 
far back as Sebastiao De Resendes Jacome (x Maria da Costa) in Santa Maria.  
Are your Jacome's from there also?  

I looked up the meaning of Jacome and it's "Jacob". I thought of Jacob of the 
House of Israel.  

Maria Elena 

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Andrew M,
> 
> However, most families really don't have a coat of arms or armorial. We were 
> just a bunch of hard working peasants back then!
> 
> Also, you are used to the American tradition of naming patterns and you only 
> *think* your surname is Medeiros. It's not. My surname should have been 
> Jacome when you go back far enough (where I ran out of records).
> 
> Cheri Mello (could have been Cheri de Mello or Cheri Jacome)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

[Maria Lima]

Liz,

One thing you might love about searching on the iPad is how easy it is to move 
through the records and magnify them by making the screen larger.  On the 
computer it takes longer to get through the research - for me.

Maybe swe meone out there will tell me there's a way to enlarge the records on 
the computer with your hand like on the iPad.  

 I've checked and found Reunion would  work best for me
Since we have one computer (MacBook Pro) which my husband uses most for of the 
time.But one can download the Reunion  program through Dropbox to the IPad. 
 

You'll figure it out and I think you'll joy the IPad.  I love it.  

Best, 

Maria Elena 

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 12:45 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
> 
> OMG. What a mess I thought I was doing a good thing by getting an iPad 
> No what a mess
> What do I get???
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> I use a program on a Windows PC. For my phone, I use GEDStar Pro (not to be 
>> confused with other things starting with GED). I somehow got Rosemarie C to 
>> download her stuff from Legacy into GEDStar Pro (an Android app).
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lee  wrote:
>>> The app you're looking for is Families.  That is the one that works through 
>>> the cloud with Legacy.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

[Maria Lima]

I was thinking that as I have an iPad (Apple). The only program I know of is 
REUNION where you can enter info on your home computer AND the iPad.  So if 
you're entering info on one device, the info also goes on the other device.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
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> Liz
> 
> I'm sorry but Legacy is a Windows app. It wouldn't be on the App Store. 
> 
> Kathy 
> 
> *
> Sent to you from my iPhone
> *
> 
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>> 
>> OK
>> I finally came up to the new century and bought an iPad Pro
>> I'm trying to get my legacy program on this or Ancestral Quest with no luck. 
>>  I cannot find them on the store app
>> 
>> Where do I search
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Military flights to Lajes Air For e in Terceira

[Maria Lima]

Thanks for all the information from everyone.  Yes, my husband is retired 
military flag officer and he is the one with the Azorean heritage.  

There were no flights available when we were out on the East coast but thanks 
to all of you, we now have information to plan a trip.  I will keep looking at 
the Facebook pages for the different locations so as to get an idea of how 
often and where to fly from. 

Thanks so much for all your good input. 

Maria Elena 

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Marie Shantz  wrote:
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> Took flights from BWI to Terceira. Usually late in the day in Saturday.   
> Need a passport. The military side is now run by Portuguese Military.  You 
> cannot leave the base till your passport is stamped!!! On Monday. There is 
> lodging on base.  Place to eat as well and exchange money. Need a ride to the 
> other side tho my husband and I have walked there. - the civilian airport to 
> catch flights to other islands. People in lodging always helped us secure our 
> plane tickets since we do not speak Portuguese. I would go to Sao Miguel to 
> Vila Franca where grandmother was born. Once flew to Madeira via Terceira to 
> Ponta Delgada Azores to Faial Madeira to grandfathers birth place
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Military flights to Lajes Air For e in Terceira

[Maria Lima]

I'm trying to get a military flight there and it's on a space available basis 
when the plane is flying there.  

 just wondering if someone on the list has used it and what their experience 
has been in terms of the "waiting List" going and returning to Dover.  



Maria Elena 

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The air field at Lajes is shared by both military and civilian flights.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone been able to use the military flights to Lajes Air Field in 
>> Terceira?  They leave from New Jersey.  Were traveling on east coast and 
>> called to see if we could get on a flight but have to wait 72 hrs  till they 
>> get the schedule.  Since we're already out this way, we hoped we could.  We 
>> were already planning to visit the Azores  for our 50th anniversary while we 
>> can still be "healthy" enough to do it.  Not sure if it will pan out.
>> 
>> If we can get there, I'll let you know our experience in case someone else 
>> is interested in doing this.
>> 
>> Best to all,
>> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Military flights to Lajes Air For e in Terceira

[Maria Lima]

Has anyone been able to use the military flights to Lajes Air Field in 
Terceira?  They leave from New Jersey.  Were traveling on east coast and called 
to see if we could get on a flight but have to wait 72 hrs  till they get the 
schedule.  Since we're already out this way, we hoped we could.  We were 
already planning to visit the Azores  for our 50th anniversary while we can 
still be "healthy" enough to do it.  Not sure if it will pan out.

If we can get there, I'll let you know our experience in case someone else is 
interested in doing this.  

Best to all, 
Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Passport "Destinations"

[Maria Lima]

Thanks CHERI.

Maria Elena 

> On May 23, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, you'll see waves of people emigrating to a particular location. Pages 
> and pages.
> 
> The passaportes were written by humans. Humans make mistakes. Could someone 
> going to America been in the pages of Brasil or Sandwich Isles (Hawaii) and 
> the agent goofed and wrote Brasil? Yup! 
> 
> But I think in the interest of time, I'd skip over them and hope for the best 
> and find the pages that say America. If the ancestral couple can't be found 
> then I'd wade through the pages of Brasil and Sandwich Isles.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Okay- it's probably a "dumb question" but here goes:
>> 
>> If they applied for a passport for one country, was it customary and/or 
>> common that they would sail to another country?  
>> 
>> I noticed there are pages and pages of passports for Rio de Janeiro or 
>> Sandwich Islands.  I'm looking for ancestor who went to America.  Should I 
>> just skip over all the pages (names) that are not going to America?  
>> 
>> I hate to think I'll miss them because I'm trying to take a "short cut". 
>> 
>> This is for my friend who did sent have much info on her family.  It would 
>> be great to find her ancestors freguesia in The Azores.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Passport "Destinations"

[Maria Lima]

Okay- it's probably a "dumb question" but here goes:

If they applied for a passport for one country, was it customary and/or common 
that they would sail to another country?  

I noticed there are pages and pages of passports for Rio de Janeiro or Sandwich 
Islands.  I'm looking for ancestor who went to America.  Should I just skip 
over all the pages (names) that are not going to America?  

I hate to think I'll miss them because I'm trying to take a "short cut". 

This is for my friend who did sent have much info on her family.  It would be 
great to find her ancestors freguesia in The Azores.



Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports for São Jorge

[Maria Lima]

Yes Cheri- it does help!  Thanks.  

Maria Elena 

> On May 19, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Usually they left from their home port. But if the next boat to America was 
> from a different port and they had to get to America, they went to the that 
> port and caught the next boat out.
> 
> Antone is not an anglicized version of Antonio. It's a phonetic spelling of 
> what was heard. The anglicization of Antonio would be Anthony, which would be 
> the literal translation. The anglicization of Perreira was Perry.
> Hope that helps! Cheri
> 
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes- the thought crossed my mind that I may have to search all 3 sources and 
>> maybe a five year span from1883 forward and backwards.
>> 
>> The husband was ANTONIO F SILVEIRA (anglicized tô Antone and later Tony) 
>> from Fayal
>> 
>> The wife is MARIANNA PERRY.  was  PERREIRA "usually" 
>> Anglocised tô Perry? 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My grandmother was from Sao Jorge. Her passport was issued from Sao Miguel. 
>>> 
>>> I have no explanation why, but that is where hers was from. It was issued 
>>> in the early 1900s.
>>> 
>>> Marilyn 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Good luck! 
>>>> 
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Rosemarie.  I started in Horta because the husband was from Fayal 
>>>>> and looked in 1882 and 1883 but didn't find him
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then I remembered his wife was fm st Jorge so maybe that's where I'll 
>>>>> find them and learn what parishes they were from
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is for my friend whose family comes from the Azores.   It turns out 
>>>>> one side of her family is from the Azores.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maria Elena 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They generally went to Terceira but I have found them in Horta also. I 
>>>>>> would start with the Angra, Terceira passports and if you don't find 
>>>>>> them there look in Horta's. Remember that some men just took a little 
>>>>>> boat out to the steamer or sailboat to avoid being drafted into the 
>>>>>> service so they didn't get a passport! Also if they were whalers, I've 
>>>>>> not seen them listed anywhere either. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Does someone know where people from São Jorge went to get their 
>>>>>>> passports?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports for São Jorge

[Maria Lima]

Yes- the thought crossed my mind that I may have to search all 3 sources and 
maybe a five year span from1883 forward and backwards.

The husband was ANTONIO F SILVEIRA (anglicized tô Antone and later Tony) from 
Fayal

The wife is MARIANNA PERRY.  was  PERREIRA "usually" 
Anglocised tô Perry? 
Maria Elena 

> On May 19, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:
> 
> My grandmother was from Sao Jorge. Her passport was issued from Sao Miguel. 
> 
> I have no explanation why, but that is where hers was from. It was issued in 
> the early 1900s.
> 
> Marilyn 
> 
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Good luck! 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Rosemarie.  I started in Horta because the husband was from Fayal 
>>> and looked in 1882 and 1883 but didn't find him
>>> 
>>> Then I remembered his wife was fm st Jorge so maybe that's where I'll find 
>>> them and learn what parishes they were from
>>> 
>>> This is for my friend whose family comes from the Azores.   It turns out 
>>> one side of her family is from the Azores.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> They generally went to Terceira but I have found them in Horta also. I 
>>>> would start with the Angra, Terceira passports and if you don't find them 
>>>> there look in Horta's. Remember that some men just took a little boat out 
>>>> to the steamer or sailboat to avoid being drafted into the service so they 
>>>> didn't get a passport! Also if they were whalers, I've not seen them 
>>>> listed anywhere either. 
>>>> 
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Does someone know where people from São Jorge went to get their passports?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passports for São Jorge

[Maria Lima]

Thanks Rosemarie.  I started in Horta because the husband was from Fayal and 
looked in 1882 and 1883 but didn't find him

Then I remembered his wife was fm st Jorge so maybe that's where I'll find them 
and learn what parishes they were from

This is for my friend whose family comes from the Azores.   It turns out one 
side of her family is from the Azores.  

Thanks

Maria Elena 

> On May 19, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They generally went to Terceira but I have found them in Horta also. I would 
> start with the Angra, Terceira passports and if you don't find them there 
> look in Horta's. Remember that some men just took a little boat out to the 
> steamer or sailboat to avoid being drafted into the service so they didn't 
> get a passport! Also if they were whalers, I've not seen them listed anywhere 
> either. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does someone know where people from São Jorge went to get their passports?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Passports for São Jorge

[Maria Lima]

Does someone know where people from São Jorge went to get their passports?



Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software and Genealogy survey

[Maria Lima]

Done.  

Maria Elena 

> On May 17, 2017, at 12:10 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Done. 
> 
> 
> Barb Silva
> 
> Member of Azores Gen Project
> Researching Graciosa Azores Portugal
> & Germany; Jafra Product Consultant
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:15 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
> 
> 
> Done!
> 
> mas
> 
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> I made a little survey about genealogy software. It's only 7 questions. I 
> think it takes only 2 or 3 minutes. I'd appreciate it if all of you could 
> help me out.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r /7KGD2J8
> Thanks Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

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a Católica. São Roque (São Roque, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santíssima Trindade (Tábua, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1589-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santa Maria Madalena (Madalena do Mar, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1590-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Caniçal, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1591-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Vicente (São Vicente, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1592-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Piedade (Canhas, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1592-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Brás (Arco da Calheta, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1596-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito da Calheta, 
> Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1598-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Brás (Campanário, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1600-1953
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santo Amaro (Paúl do Mar, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1619-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Jorge (São Jorge, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1622-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Machico, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1633-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São José (Arco de São Jorge, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1645-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Seixal, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1646-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Ponta do Pargo, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1673-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora do Monte (Monte, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1680-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santa Luzia (Funchal, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1680-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Lourenço (Camacha, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1704-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Ajuda (Serra de Água, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1726-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Encarnação (Ribeira da 
> Janela, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1790-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santa Quitéria (Boaventura, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1790-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora do Livramento (Achadas da Cruz, 
> Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1803-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santa Maria Maior (Funchal, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1809-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Piedade (Jardim do Mar, 
> Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1813-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António da Serra, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1860-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora dos Remédios (Quinta Grande, 
> Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1860-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora das Neves (Prazeres, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1860-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Roque (São Roque do Faial, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1860-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora do Livramento (Curral das 
> Freiras, Funchal)
> 
> 
> The Add on the right side is so you can add the record to a print list on the 
> site and then print it for your own information.
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not so sure about that.
> 
> Tombo.pt shows only 975 Madeira records digitized by the Madeiran government 
> so far, with more to go. Family Search has 50? Someone needs to sit down and 
> compare the two. Are they counting books? Parishes? Or what?
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Erica Botelho 
> <audiosource...@qwestoffice.net> wrote:
> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records.  You 
> can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church records 
> - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the freguesias of 
> Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will bring up a list of 
> all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is a camera, then you 
> can click on that link and look through them.  If the icon is a film reel, 
> then those records are not uploaded to the internet yet and only 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Maria Lima]

Wow Erica!!  Thank you.  Now I'm really eager to help this person with their 
research.  Great to know records are online.  Sweet news

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Erica Botelho <audiosource...@qwestoffice.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records.  You 
> can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church records 
> - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the freguesias of 
> Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will bring up a list of 
> all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is a camera, then you 
> can click on that link and look through them.  If the icon is a film reel, 
> then those records are not uploaded to the internet yet and only available 
> through ordering them directly.
> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc at 
> qwestoffice.net
> Erica Botelho
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Lima
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM
> To: AZORES
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research
> 
> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
> with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online 
> like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - 
> sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them. 
> 
> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: LAST NAME OF GROOM's FATHER

[Maria Lima]

JR- thanks for the info and also on the accents- I had started getting fancy 
adding accents but fortunately, I usually forget, so I will not any more.  

So I'm asking would the woman be VELHA and the man VELHO?

Thanks so much for taking the time. 

Maria Elena 

> On May 16, 2017, at 8:27 AM, JR  wrote:
> 
> You have it right. It is Francisco Paxequo (Pacheco) fo. de Manoel da Graca 
> ja defunto...
> 
> I always use the modern spellings within reason. This makes it easier for 
> your program to find a name when doing a search. Of course you can and should 
> put the correct historical spelling in the notes section; that is where you 
> place your transcription of the record. Some programs allow you to index 
> names starting with first names, and that is method well suited for 
> Portuguese names. I only realized this when Margaret V. brought it to my 
> attention. 
> 
> One other thing to consider is accents. Yes it is nice to be accurate and use 
> Portuguese accents. However, I have had nothing but problems when trying to 
> create Gedcoms and reloading to a new or updated program. They often come out 
> as coded gibberish- sometimes to the point where I can't recognize what the 
> name actually was. I won't go through that again and risk corrupting my 
> entire database. So I use plain alphanumerical lettering in all my records.
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:34:10 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote:
>> Right side. 2nd record down 
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P14.html
>> 
>> Third line down-  is the groom's father's last name Da Graco (d'Agrela?). 
>> 
>> Also had a question on the name VELHA.  Is it Velho for men and Velha for 
>> women.  How would you enter it in the program?  Would you make them all 
>> Velho(?) 
>> 
>> Thank you for looking at this
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] LAST NAME OF GROOM's FATHER

[Maria Lima]

Right side. 2nd record down 


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P14.html

Third line down-  is the groom's father's last name Da Graco (d'Agrela?). 

Also had a question on the name VELHA.  Is it Velho for men and Velha for 
women.  How would you enter it in the program?  Would you make them all 
Velho(?) 

Thank you for looking at this

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Maria Lima]

CHERI- thank you so much for all that info.  I've been trying to find the List 
on Cindi's List and I couldn't and then I saw your email.  I'm so grateful for 
how you bless our lives with sharing your knowledge.  Thank you

Maria Elena 

> On May 15, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Madeira is digitizing their records too. Their site is called the ABM and you 
> can access it through Tombo.pt. However, I think the ABM is down at the 
> moment.
> 
> Madeira has only 2 islands: Madeira, (about the same population as Sao 
> Miguel) and Porto Santo.
> 
> The Madeira list is run by Luis Beal and it is housed at Rootweb. You can 
> find the archives and join instructions here:
> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/PRT/PRT-MADEIRA.html
> 
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
>> with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online 
>> like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - 
>> sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them.
>> 
>> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Maria Lima]

A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online like 
the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - sorry to 
admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them. 

Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 

Thanks,

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada

[Maria Lima]

This was so fascinating and I wondered at the work you did to collect all the 
information.  It was good reading!  Thanks!

And Margaret, I'm so glad you received all this because you have always been 
right there to help me and so many of us so it's gratifying to see you received 
this information.  Makes my heart smile.  (Now the first wife left in Boston, 
never to see her husband again; that was sad; she would have loved the Azores 
you think?)

Maria Elena 

> On Apr 28, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 12:19 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you for sharing this with us! I always learn a great deal from your 
> historical postings!
> 
> Best regards,
> Nancy Jean Baptista
> From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:58:30 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THOMAS HICKLING AND HIS WIFE SARAH FALDES - 
> S. Miguel - Ponta Delgada
>  
> Actually, Marilyn, you probably do but just haven't found him/her yet. Keep 
> digging.
> 
> John Miranda Raposo
> 
> 
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:46 AM, Marilyn Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you John for this wonderful and informative article. I wish I had 
> someone important enough to have such a rich history of their lives.
> 
> Call me green with envy
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> John, 
> 
> Wonderful article and so complete.  I will take me a while to digest it.  
> 
> May I email you privately as you may have the answer for my question with 
> having all this background on the family?
> 
> Thank you so much!
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> Margaret,
> 
> This is from an article I wrote many years ago.
> 
> Yankee Azoreans
>  
>  
> John Miranda Raposo
>  
>  
> This is not a work about the thousands of immigrants who have come to New 
> England from the nine islands of the Azores. Rather, this work is primarily 
> concerned with the descendants of Thomas Hickling, a Boston Yankee who 
> settled on São Miguel and became the patriarch of a large clan on both sides 
> of the Atlantic.
>  
> Thomas Hickling was born in Boston on 21-2-1744 into the prosperous merchant 
> family of  William Hickling of Nottingham, England and Sarah Townsend Sale. 
> At the age of eighteen, his father arranged an apprenticeship for him with 
> the prosperous Green brothers and in 1764 he married their sister, Sarah 
> Emily Green, fifteen years his senior, in Boston's old Trinity Church.[1] 
> There is some speculation that it was a marriage of convenience, arranged 
> either for social or economic reasons, or both. In any event Hickling 
> fulfilled his marital duty becoming the father of two children by his first 
> wife. Catherine Green Hickling was born in Salem in 1768 and William Green 
> Hickling was born in 1765. Their father soon left his family and located to 
> the Caribbean where he traded in molasses which he shipped back to his 
> father's distillery in Boston.[2] He must have been an enterprising sort, for 
> he perceived the commercial possibilities in the Azores because in 1769 be 
> was living in Ponta Delgada. Thomas Hickling never returned to America and 
> never lived anywhere else.
>  
> He became one of the principal developers of the orange trade, the export of 
> oranges to England, which became the basis for the colossal fortunes of many 
> of São Miguel's socially prominent families and paid for the construction of 
> many a palácio, those grand manor houses with their lovely English and French 
> gardens still seen throughout the island. In 1820 Hickling exported nearly 
> 5,700 crates or oranges and 2,000 crates of lemons from Ponta Delgada. But 
> the firm of his sons-in-law Ivens & Burnett exported over 11,000 crates.[3] 
> At the height of the orange age 93% of the oranges produced in São Miguel 
> were exported.  But the Hicklings and many other "gentlemen farmers" were 
> brought to financial ruin at the end of the century when the orange trade 
> came to an end, victim of a blight that first attacked the orange groves in 
> 1834, again in 1860 and finally destroyed the remaining groves at the end of 
> the century. The financial ruin resulted in a reduced standard of living for 
> these "gentlemen farmers", many of whom could no longer afford the upkeep on 
> their  lovely homes and gardens. Many can still be seen in the suburbs 
> surrounding Ponta Delgada and Lagoa,  their dilapidated state a silent 
> witness to both the greatness and the misery of the age.[4]
>  
> News traveled slowly and it must have been months before Hickling learned 
> that Sarah Green, the wife he had last seen twelve years 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is it a girl or a boy!!

[Maria Lima]

Thanks Rosemarie.  I had him as a boy then today it looked like a girl.  So 
you're confirming what I had at first was correct, a BOY!  

Maria Elena 

> On Apr 18, 2017, at 3:24 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree that the priest went back and wrote filho and it does say baptisdo so 
> I think male is correct. Someone else may think otherwise though so it's good 
> to have more than a pair of eyes! 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Upper right hand
>> 
>> Originally I had Francisco.  Today I looked at it again and it looks like 
>> the priest went back and made it a girl.  But the word "baptizado" is 
>> masculine.  HELP,  please; I need another couple of eyes here. ( I may have 
>> to find a marriage if we can't figure it out)
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P32.html
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is it a girl or a boy!!

[Maria Lima]

Upper right hand

Originally I had Francisco.  Today I looked at it again and it looks like the 
priest went back and made it a girl.  But the word "baptizado" is masculine.  
HELP,  please; I need another couple of eyes here. ( I may have to find a 
marriage if we can't figure it out)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P32.html

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[Maria Lima]

Dear Diane,

Yes we have this situation as well.  Jacinto José de Lima, age 17, arrived on 
the Moses B Tower in 1889 as a stowaway.  He lived in Boston and worked as a 
barber.  He got his US citizenship.  Then he returned to São Miguel where he 
married.  He brought his bride to the US.  She was unhappy living with her 
mother in law and returned to the Azores.  He returned as well.  There, she had 
a son who is my husband's father, Fortunato Roosevelt Lima.  He was born in the 
Azores, but his father was a US Citizen and he was very proud f that piece of 
paper that proved he was a citizen.  They were very patriotic as you can 
imagine by the father giving him the name "Roosevelt".  It seems President 
Theodore Roosevelt had visited the Azores and Jacintho must have been very 
suppprtive of President Roosevelt.  We always wondered about that and it was 
while we were watching a documentary on Teddy Roosevelt a few years ago, that 
my husband and I realized, for the first time, which Roosevelt his father was 
named for.  I hate to admit we had thought it was FDR and felt foolish when we 
stopped to consider how many years later FDR was in office.  (As they say:  
DUUUHHH!! ). 

But today we have that paper that Fortunato Roosevelt lima guarded and valued 
so much.  

So, yes,  we have this situation - if I understood your letter correctly.  Best 
of luck in getting more.

By the way, as I've traced Fortunato's line back, his ancestors were from São 
Miguel and then back into Santa Maria where the family name was RESENDES!! The 
oldest ancestor I've found is Sebastiao Jacome's Resendes married to Maria da 
Costa.  They had a son named Manoel but I don't have info on him.  Maybe we 
connect? 

Happy hunting.  It's a labor of love. 

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> It sounds to me like your GGF came to the US to work and got his citizenship 
> and then went back to the Acores to retire. I would start trying to figure 
> out when he came to the US. That would give you an idea as to when he became 
> a US citizen. Where did your grandfather and his siblings settle in the US? 
> Most likely that is where your Great Grandfather worked.
>  
>  
> Rick
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>  
>  
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Di
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 9:56 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down 
> source of US citizenship grant
>  
> Hi everyone!
>  
> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts & 
> replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the commitment 
> & dedication to the research!  And special appreciation to Cheri Mello for 
> managing the listserv - what a labor of love.  
>  
> Here's what I'm trying to figure out:
> 
> My great-grandfather, Manuel Rezendes (Resendes) was born in Ponta Delgada 
> around 1869.  He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927.  I have a document from the 
> American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" about him.  
> So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even though he never 
> took advantage of it.   
>  
> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was for him 
> and his children.  So his five children were born with Portuguese AND US 
> citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated without having 
> to be naturalized.
>  
> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is listed as a 
> US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home address and 
> the notation 'through father's papers').
>  
> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather was 
> granted the US citizenship.  I've called the Consulate (they told me they 
> don't keep the paperwork after 20 years).  Recently while on a visit to 
> Washington, I went to the National Archives, where the archivists told me 
> they'd never heard anything like it -- and in fact, doubted my story until I 
> showed them the paperwork.  The other route I'm going to try, at their 
> suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that could take years, ha.
>  
> Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of anything 
> like this?  Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down?
> 
> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all tips/direction/advice are 
> warmly welcomed!
>  
> all the best,
> di
> Diane Rezendes
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Help with a couple of names

[Maria Lima]

I think it is MATIA PACHECA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2017, at 11:30 AM, George Sousa  wrote:
> 
> The record on the right in the following page... 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P31.html
> 
> Here is what I have so far...
> 
> Em os quinze dias do mes de Mayo da Era de mil e sete centos e trinta e houto 
> Annos de manham nesta igraja Parochial...
> ...prezensa in facie eclesia Domingos de Rezendes filho de Jozeph de Rezendes 
> ? e de sua mulher Maria de Souza ja defuntos, e Esperansa de Chaves filha de 
> Manoel da Fontes Chaves e de sua mulher Maria ? naturais e freguzes desta 
> freguezia...
> 
> What is written after Jozeph de Rezendes? What is the name of the Bride's 
> mother?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] BOOK HAS ARRIVED

[Maria Lima]

I received the book yesterday. (ABREVIATURAS PALEOGRAFICAS PORTUGUESAS) . 

Like you said, it was wrapped neatly and arrived in good condition.  Thank you 
all who reassured each other  when you received your book.  Yay!  


Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Maria Lima]

Thank you for explaining the name was the early form.  Now I know how to enter 
it.  I'm happy now

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> It is the early form of writing a surname with de, da, do. 
> 
> An example is (da Ruda, d'aRuda, de Arruda)
> 
> In the case here we have ( da Guiar, d'aGuiar, de Aguiar)
> 
> The surname is "de Aguiar"
> 
> Cheers
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 5:13 PM Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Imagine an apostrophe there, Maria d'aguiar
>> De: Maria Lima
>> Enviado: ‎01/‎03/‎2017 21:43
>> Para: AZORES
>> Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate
>> 
>> LEFT PAGE BOTTOM RECORD
>> 
>> Is the bride's mother named Maria Da Aguiar?  Did the priest abbreviate d 
>> Aguiar??
>> 
>> I'm not sure how to enter it in the program.  Help?  
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P16.html
>> 
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is "GUIAR" a last name or did priest abbreviate

[Maria Lima]

LEFT PAGE BOTTOM RECORD

Is the bride's mother named Maria Da Aguiar?  Did the priest abbreviate d 
Aguiar??

I'm not sure how to enter it in the program.  Help?  

Thanks!


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P16.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Maria Lima]

Hi Roslyn and all who have helped me with this.  

  Thanks so much.

It took me some time before I noticed the names were above the baptismal 
information.  The name on that baptism looked like Maria at first glance but 
then I started comparing letters to other records and started doubting my 
initial reading.  I've since seen the priest write the same name (Maria) more 
clearly and close enough to this one to be certain it is Maria.  Thanks so 
much.   

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 4:26 AM, Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Roselyn,
> 
> You are right!
> 
> Usually they wrote the name side by side to the record, so i didn't even look 
> to the signatures area... Well spotted!
> 
> 2017-02-23 0:24 GMT+00:00 Hughes Roselyn <roselynhug...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi Maria, 
>> 
>> I believe that if you look just above the beginning of the last record on 
>> the left page you will see the name Maria.  This priest wrote the child's 
>> name above the record instead of in the record.
>> 
>> Hope  this helps.
>> Roselyn
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm looking to decipher the name of the child.   It is a girl but I can't 
>>> figure out her name.  
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The second one down says Menino, and filho, so a boy child. 
>>>> 
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> LEFT SIDE  - the LAST ONE
>>>>> 
>>>>> I thought it was Maria at first but there's another Maria on the right 
>>>>> page and also one above this one and the M is different.  Also, the 'r's 
>>>>> look different.  The first letter could also be an "N"?  Or a "V". 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any help would be great!  Thank you.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P99.html
>>>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Maria Lima]

I'm looking to decipher the name of the child.   It is a girl but I can't 
figure out her name.  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The second one down says Menino, and filho, so a boy child. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> LEFT SIDE  - the LAST ONE
>> 
>> I thought it was Maria at first but there's another Maria on the right page 
>> and also one above this one and the M is different.  Also, the 'r's look 
>> different.  The first letter could also be an "N"?  Or a "V". 
>> 
>> Any help would be great!  Thank you.  
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P99.html
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother's name

[Maria Lima]

Suzanne:

Anna, filha legítima de Manoel -- the priest abbreviated filha and legitimate.  
That what I see but perhaps I'm wrong.  Someone else will chime in to confirm 

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Sme  wrote:
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1804-1822/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1804-1822_item1/P69.html
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> Hi everyone.  Top left.  The mother is Anna  something. Can anyone make out 
> what the second part of her name is please.
> 
> Thanks..
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Maria Lima]

LEFT SIDE  - the LAST ONE

I thought it was Maria at first but there's another Maria on the right page and 
also one above this one and the M is different.  Also, the 'r's look different. 
 The first letter could also be an "N"?  Or a "V". 

Any help would be great!  Thank you.  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help please

[Maria Lima]

Regarding the name Ricarda- I have a Maria Ricarda but that's not her last name 
so I don't know if this answers your question but I know I have one in my 
database .  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheri,
> Is Ricarda a common name?  Would this be the brides mother's last name?
> 
> Liz
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Groom's mom: Victoria da Ponte. Groom is 23 (vinte e tres)
>> Bride: natural, e seus paes, e baptizado nesta mesma freguesia (native, and 
>> her parents, and baptized in this same freguesia - so she's from Arrifes 
>> too). 
>> Bride's mom: Maria Ricarda. Bride is 22.
>> 
>> Grandparents are listed in marriages. Only baptisms from the 3rd time period 
>> (1860-1911). Unless you get a verbose priest and get lucky.
>> 
>> You got the rest right :)
>> Cheri
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>>> wrote:
>>> #33 on left side
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-ARRIFES-C-1900-1911_item1/P240.html
>>> 
>>> Can you tell me the Husbands mother's name  and the brides parents names
>>> 
>>> I think I'm seeing 
>>> Groom as Manuel da Ponte  don't know from where
>>>   son of Jose da Ponte and  da Ponte   he is 22 years old
>>> 
>>> Bride as Maria do Carmo  don't know from where
>>>   daughter of Antonio Raposa and Maria ?   don't know how old she is
>>> 
>>> THX
>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abbreviation of Róis versus Rou?

[Maria Lima]

Philippe,  merci bien!  After that record, I ordered the book on abbreviations 
and am waiting for it to arrive.  Bien venue.  


Maria Elena 

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 5:45 AM, Philippe Garnier  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Maria Elena
> 
> Sebastiao Roiz (Rodrigues) son of Pedro Gonçalves (Glz) and Luzia Rodrigues 
> (Roiz) with Maria Cravalha (Carvalho or Carvalhal?) widow (without name of 
> her last husband)
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Philippe Garnier
> Paris France
> http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira
> 
> 
> Le mardi 7 février 2017 05:29:36 UTC+1, Maria a écrit :
>> 
>> Right hand page, middle record
>> 
>> Is the groom's name Sebastiao Rodrigues (?) son of Pedro Gonçalves (?)
>> 
>> Can anyone figure out why she was widowed?  It seems like she was widowed 
>> 'on account of...?"
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P31.html
>> 
>> Thanks so much for taking a look. 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records of São Matheus, ponta Delgada

[Maria Lima]

Thank you all for info on Sao Matheus.  Margaret, I'm thinking about visiting 
the Azores and this information helps if we get there to visit these places.  I 
have one ancestor who died in the Casa de Misericórdia (or was buried there).  
Was that a hospital?

Thank you so much.

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> There was a church of S. Mateus in Ponta Delgada. It was not the same church 
> as Sao Jose, and it was located no Largo Martires da Patria, or Campo da 
> Conceicao. It no longer exists as it was demolished and gave place to the 
> garden of Padre Jose Joaquim de Sena Freitas.
> 
> Because the Parish grew quickly a bigger church was built to the east of the 
> S. Mateus church, in the Campo de Sao Francisco ( S. Francisco's square) 
> situated on the north side of the hospital, Santa Casa da Misericordia. The 
> new church was initially named Santa Clara and later renamed Sao Jose.  You 
> will find records mentioning all these three churches.
> 
> Sao Mateus records were moved to the new church of Santa Clara, later called 
> Sao Jose and remaining as such to present day.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:00 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Yes, it was originally S. Mateus before it became S. Jose.
>> 
>> John Miranda Raposo
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, February 17, 2017 8:42 PM, Antonio Raposo 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> São José
>> (Formerly St. Clare and then St. Matthew)
>> 
>> https://repositorio.uac.pt/bitstream/10400.3/382/1/Susana_Costa_p61-77.pdf
>> 
>> Le vendredi 17 février 2017 19:58:48 UTC-5, Maria a écrit :
>> Does anyone know if the church of São Matheus is now São José on Ponta 
>> Delgada?I have a person who was baptized in São Matheus but I don't see 
>> any records for such a church.
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe it has another name now?   Thanks . 
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Records of São Matheus, ponta Delgada

[Maria Lima]

Does anyone know if the church of São Matheus is now São José on Ponta Delgada? 
   I have a person who was baptized in São Matheus but I don't see any records 
for such a church.

Maybe it has another name now?   Thanks . 

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas by E. Borges

[Maria Lima]

I'm excited to get mine. I've been looking at the flurry lines and curlicues on 
the records since I started studying the PDF and it helps.  

By the way, I've tried downloading the "Basic Portuguese  Paleology" booklet 
from the familysearch website and it only shows the cover.  Have you been able 
to download it?  Don't know if I'm doing something wrong. 

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 16, 2017, at 2:35 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yay!
> 
> :D
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 11:30:44 AM UTC-8, rcapodc wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>> Just wanted to let the list know that my book came today! So excited, it's 
>> very nice and came wrapped well, no tears or dings or anything! Well worth 
>> the price which ends up being a little more than $19 US dollars. If you are 
>> trying to read the Portuguese records then you really need this book! 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[Maria Lima]

Bob, that's interesting that your firm is in English.  I filled mine out out 
from the Portuguese.  Can you just skip that box?  Sorry I'm no help on it but 
maybe someone else knows the answer.  I hope.

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:39 AM, "rml...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> 
> Everytime I try to order I get hung up on the address page. It asks for N. 
> Taxpayer. 
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>> 
>> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to Abreviaturas 
>> Paleografia by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have a 
>> pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, obtaining a 
>> physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I made a 
>> concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and through 
>> large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily do it.  
>> Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found this 
>> source:
>> 
>> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
>> 
>> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed an 
>> order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
>> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
>> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly 
>> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was 
>> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it just 
>> needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal systems!  
>> I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it "International 
>> Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take to arrive. :) 
>> 
>> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the actual 
>> booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and reading 
>> the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all 
>> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in 
>> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[Maria Lima]

I just ordered it this morning and so far only received acknowledgment of 
payment for 18,05 EUR.  (Shipped tô Wisconsin). 

Thanks for letting us know about it

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:05 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ordered to alsoabout a week ago:)
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sue Q  wrote:
>> 
>> I managed to order it fairly easily and so will hope for the best in terms 
>> of actually getting here. Good luck, Linda, in getting yours. Sue
>> 
>>> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to Abreviaturas 
>>> Paleografia by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have a 
>>> pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, obtaining 
>>> a physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I made a 
>>> concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and 
>>> through large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily 
>>> do it.  Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found 
>>> this source:
>>> 
>>> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
>>> 
>>> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed 
>>> an order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
>>> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
>>> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly 
>>> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was 
>>> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it 
>>> just needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal 
>>> systems!  I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it 
>>> "International Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take 
>>> to arrive. :) 
>>> 
>>> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the actual 
>>> booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and reading 
>>> the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all 
>>> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in 
>>> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[Maria Lima]

Linda, thanks for post nag about the Portuguese Abbreviations book.  You 
mentioned that you had a PDF.  Can you send me a link so I can download the 
PDF.  I've been trying to find the book online this morning but haven't been 
able to find it.  I hope this is something you can do.  

If not then I think the next best thing is order the book from Lisbon.  Again, 
thanks 

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 11:08 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> fingers crossed, Rosemarie!
> 
> :)
> 
>> On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 9:07:22 PM UTC-8, rcapodc wrote:
>> Great, hopefully mine will arrive next week (I was about 5--7 days behind 
>> you!). 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:03 PM, linda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wish you every success!
>>> 
>>> An update on my order: On Wednesday, I received a "Sorry we missed you" 
>>> delivery tag from the Post Office.  It seems that the book was shipped with 
>>> a Signature Confirmation required on delivery.  I haven't been able to go 
>>> to the PO to attempt to claim it yet because of work.  So, the book arrived 
>>> quite quickly, though I don't have it in hand just yet.  I'll report back 
>>> again when I do.
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 8:43:48 PM UTC-8, Sue Q wrote:
 What a wonderful lead! I will try to order it. Sue
 
> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
> 
> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to Abreviaturas 
> Paleografia by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have 
> a pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, 
> obtaining a physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When 
> I made a concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online 
> and through large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't 
> readily do it.  Happily, about a week ago while researching something 
> else, I found this source:
> 
> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
> 
> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed 
> an order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was 
> promptly refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that 
> Paleografias was in the process of being shipped, so that looks very 
> promising.  Now, it just needs to make its way safely through the 
> Portuguese and US postal systems!  I'll update the group when I receive 
> it.  They're sending it "International Economy" rate, so it's anyone's 
> guess how long it will take to arrive. :) 
> 
> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the 
> actual booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and 
> reading the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's 
> all relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and 
> in English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being 
> shipped:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Twins baptized different dates and excorcisms

[Maria Lima]

Right page last one on bottom
I can't figure out what happened on this.  Twins, barbara and JOSEFA:   Barbara 
was baptized 29 October and then priest performed some kind of "arch..."  
exorcism
Because of imminent danger (?) then at the end he says JOSEFA was baptized on 
the 24th in the house (?). 

Is that right?  He talks about in the house and I can't figure if the date of 
birth was same as the baptism and exorcism? 


Can anyone please help me with this??   Thank you!!
(The mom was 43 when she gave birth to these twins!!) 

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Reason she didn't receive last rites

[Maria Lima]

Right hand page, 4th person down 

"Maria carvalha wife of Gonçalo  Pavão didn't receive the sacrament because she 
died something "sappita" (?) or 
Fapitta(?). Does anyone know what that could mean.  

I could only find one child for her and Goncalo, so I thought the mother, Maria 
CARVALHA, died after the birth of the child,  but  the dates didn't work out.

Thank you for any light you can through on this.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-O-1576-1674/SMG-PD-GINETES-O-1576-1674_item1/P43.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grooms last name and widow's status

[Maria Lima]

Aaron, thank you so much  for confirming those names.   

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 3:07 AM, Aaron Pereira  wrote:
> 
> I agree with you regarding the names of the groom and his parents, but, I 
> can't help with the other part.  Maybe another member can help with the rest. 
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel residents on Sao Jorge

[Maria Lima]

Very kind of you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if this would be helpful or not. Please let me know if you think 
> it's worth doing.
> 
> In researching Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, I once in a while run across baptism 
> records where one or more of the parents is from another island, so far 
> mostly Sao Miguel. I'm putting myself In the place of other researchers who 
> lose the trail of an ancestor. Maybe the moved to another island. 
> 
> Here is Jose da Costa Felicio who was a sapateiro in Norte Grande. His wife 
> is Maria da Conceiçao. They were from Ponta Garça, Sao Miguel. This record is 
> for the birth of their son Manuel in 1882. Grandparents are also mentioned. 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1880-1889/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1880-1889_item1/P80.html
> 
> Let me know if this is helpful even if this record doesn't apply to you. If I 
> should continue, what would be the most helpful subject line?
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Abbreviation of Róis versus Rou?

[Maria Lima]

Right hand page, middle record

Is the groom's name Sebastiao Rodrigues (?) son of Pedro Gonçalves (?)

Can anyone figure out why she was widowed?  It seems like she was widowed 'on 
account of...?"


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P31.html

Thanks so much for taking a look. 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grooms last name and widow's status

[Maria Lima]

Right side, 2nd down 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P31.html

Is the groom's last name Rodrigues , son of Pedro Gonçalves and Luzia 
Rodrigues??   

Then the fifth line down it says something  about the widow "aversão something 
or other 3 announcements??  

Her husband, Hieronimo, died 3 months prior!  They had 3 kids.

Any help will be great!  Thank you


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Maria Lima]

Oops!  You're right.  Thank you.  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 8:29 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I hope I didn't confuse anyone with my JR, which stands for John Roias. 
> Although I wrote posting on Teresa, you are perhaps directing your remarks to 
> John Raposo.
> 
> JRoias
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 7:32:29 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>> Thanks, I went with Tereza after studying the letter T and "L" in other 
>> records he wrote.  It's definitely a Tereza.  Whew, it was a challenge.  
>> 
>> JR:  this TEREZA is a child of Heronimo Martins x Maria Cravalha our common 
>> ancestor.So far I found records for three children for them
>> 
>> MARIA, baptized 15 October 1667, page 0162
>> (Ginetes, Baptisms 1588-1677) (wife of Antonio Ferreira) 
>> 
>> MATHIAS baptized 27 September 1671; page 0162
>> 
>> TEREZA, baptized 13 January 1676
>> 
>> I've  searched into the year 1684 and haven't found any more children.  I 
>> noticed the three kids they had were spaced out; being 5 years between the 
>> last two.  
>> 
>> I'm going to look for obits to see if one or both of parents died.  
>> I dont know if you already had these in your data base but they are our 
>> cousins
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would stick with Tereza. Study the L's, there is complete bottom loop. 
>>> This first letter stops at the bottom. The dotted 'i' is perhaps 
>>> accidental. May be even Terezia. See here for clear Tereza, no bottom loop 
>>> like the L.
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P176.html
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:22:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>> Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the 
>>>> same way you do.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima <maria@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Top left 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over 
>>>>> one of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins 
>>>>> son of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo 
>>>>> (?goncalves?) not 100% sure of that abbreviation.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And 
>>>>> verify the godparents,  Thank you. 
>>>>> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Obit of Hieronimo Martins

[Maria Lima]

JR:  here is obit for Our common ancestor, Jeronimo (Hieronimo) Martins.  
.
I've learned that when the couple has only 3/4 kids, look for one of the 
parents to have died.  I felt a bit sad to find it.  Weird cause he's been dead 
for a few years, right?  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-O-1674-1729/SMG-PD-GINETES-O-1674-1729_item1/P12.html

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Maria Lima]

Thanks, I went with Tereza after studying the letter T and "L" in other records 
he wrote.  It's definitely a Tereza.  Whew, it was a challenge.  

JR:  this TEREZA is a child of Heronimo Martins x Maria Cravalha our common 
ancestor.So far I found records for three children for them

MARIA, baptized 15 October 1667, page 0162
(Ginetes, Baptisms 1588-1677) (wife of Antonio Ferreira) 

MATHIAS baptized 27 September 1671; page 0162

TEREZA, baptized 13 January 1676

I've  searched into the year 1684 and haven't found any more children.  I 
noticed the three kids they had were spaced out; being 5 years between the last 
two.  

I'm going to look for obits to see if one or both of parents died.  
I dont know if you already had these in your data base but they are our 
cousins

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would stick with Tereza. Study the L's, there is complete bottom loop. This 
> first letter stops at the bottom. The dotted 'i' is perhaps accidental. May 
> be even Terezia. See here for clear Tereza, no bottom loop like the L.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P176.html
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 3:22:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Not too sure what to think on that baby's name. I read the godparents the 
>> same way you do.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Maria Lima <maria@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Top left 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html
>>> 
>>> My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over one 
>>> of the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)
>>> 
>>> For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins son 
>>> of Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo (?goncalves?) 
>>> not 100% sure of that abbreviation.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And 
>>> verify the godparents,  Thank you. 
>>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Father of the Godmother for Ignacio...son of Jose Ignacio Gomes and Catherina Rosa of Ribeirinha, Terceira

[Maria Lima]

I'm thinking it's an abbreviation for Domingos but hope others will chime in.  
Otherwise the record is beautiful.  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Evee Silva Kiler  wrote:
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1790-1803_item1/P29.html
> 
> In the fourth and fifth lines from the bottom of this birth record for 
> Ignacio (bottom right record) I believe it reads that the padrinhos are Pedro 
> Ignacio, son of Ignacio Gomes AND Catherina Rosa, daughter of Antonio ?? de 
> Borba.  
> 
> I don't understand the abbreviation for the name (or other word) between 
> Antonio and de Borba.  I need help with confirming his name (s).
> 
> Obrigado!!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name of child

[Maria Lima]

Top left 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P173.html

My first impression was the name is Thereza but then there's a dot over one of 
the letters and now i'm guessing it's Luzia(?)

For the godparents the priest wrote the godparents were Gaspar Martins son of 
Ignacio Carvalho and barbara de Sousa, wife of Heronimo (?goncalves?) not 100% 
sure of that abbreviation.  



Can someone take a look and see if they can figure out the name ?  And verify 
the godparents,  Thank you. 
Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

[Maria Lima]

You're welcome, cousin JR

Here is the baptism record for our ancestor, Maria Carvalha
(Daughter of Jeronimo Martins x Maria Carvalha)

Ginetes, Batismos 1588-1677 > 0154.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1588-1677_item1/P154.html

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 4, 2017, at 9:58 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you so, so much!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 4, 2017 10:17 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  JR, here is baptismal record for Luzia and the others:
> 
> LUZIA's BAPTISMAL RECORD
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
> 
> LUZIA was the second child.  The first was MARIA.  HERE IS MARIA's baptismal  
> record; second on left page
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P33.html
> 
> MARGARIDA
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P52.html
> 
> JOSEFA, page 63
> 
> MANOEL, page 74
> 
> BRAZ, page 85
> 
> JOAO, page 98
> 
> JOSEFA, page 105
> 
> MECIA, page 113
> 
> BALTHEZAR 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728_item1/P16.html
> 
> My husband descends from Balthezar.   
> 
> Oh oh- I don't think I searched after BALTHEZAR, there might be more children 
> and I didn't think to look (yet).  
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2017, at 7:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much! I descend from Luzia. Which one is your ancestor? Thanks 
>> again.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 7:24 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> JR : these are the 10 children for this couple baptized in GINETES, Baptisms 
>> 1678-1707
>> 
>> MARIA, 23 February 1687 these are baptismal dates 
>> LUZIA 18 September 1689
>> MARGARIDA 3 February 1692
>> JOSEFA 28 October 1694
>> MANOEL 29 December 1697
>> BRAZ - 1 January 1701 (born) they started recording birth date
>> JOAO June 1703 (no birth date here)
>> JOSEFA 28 October 1704 birthdate
>> MECIA 24 January 1706 birthdate
>> BALTHEZAR 29 August 1709 birthdate my husband's ancestor
>> 
>> I looked for an obit for the first JOSEFA all the way up to the birth of the 
>> second JOSEFA but did not find one.
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:27 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would love to have the name of all those kids. Thank you so much!
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 5:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> JR:
>>> 
>>> I found LUZIA!!  Here's her baptismal record.  This (I THINK) is the No 1 
>>> person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
>>> 
>>> If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 
>>> 1687 and that's why I couldn't find her at first.  I only found her when I 
>>> saw there was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next 
>>> child.  The computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do 
>>> you think!  I was missing Luzia.  She was baptized 18 September 1689
>>> 
>>> Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?  
>>> 
>>> Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll 
>>> gladly send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria 
>>> Carvalha had a total of 10 kids. 
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello John,  yes!  Thank you so much for sending me this information.  My 
>>> husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in 
>>> Mosteiros.  Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes.  Your 
>>> marriage date and mine coincide, as wel

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

[Maria Lima]

Wow, your ancestor LUZIA married a person named Sebastiao Ferreira.  Her 
grandfather's name was also Sebastiao Ferreira (married to Catharina Cabral).  
My ancestor is the youngest child, BALTHEZAR. 

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 4, 2017, at 9:01 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Luzia
>Luzia dos Anjos x Seb. Ferreira
>   Jose Ferreira x Maria de Medeiros
>  Josefa de Medeiros  Teotonio Pereira
> Francisca Maria de Jesus x Joao Pavao
>Joao Jacinto Pavao x Josefa Rosa
>   Leonor dos Anjos x Agostinho Antonio Patricio 
>  Maria Leonor, aka Maria da Estrela x Manuel Alves Raposo
> Joao Alves Raposo x Gilda Pacheco Miranda (my parent)
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 4, 2017 8:40 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you so much! I descend from Luzia. Which one is your ancestor? Thanks 
> again.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 7:24 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> JR : these are the 10 children for this couple baptized in GINETES, Baptisms 
> 1678-1707
> 
> MARIA, 23 February 1687 these are baptismal dates 
> LUZIA 18 September 1689
> MARGARIDA 3 February 1692
> JOSEFA 28 October 1694
> MANOEL 29 December 1697
> BRAZ - 1 January 1701 (born) they started recording birth date
> JOAO June 1703 (no birth date here)
> JOSEFA 28 October 1704 birthdate
> MECIA 24 January 1706 birthdate
> BALTHEZAR 29 August 1709 birthdate my husband's ancestor
> 
> I looked for an obit for the first JOSEFA all the way up to the birth of the 
> second JOSEFA but did not find one.
> 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:27 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would love to have the name of all those kids. Thank you so much!
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 5:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> JR:
>> 
>> I found LUZIA!!  Here's her baptismal record.  This (I THINK) is the No 1 
>> person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
>> 
>> If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 1687 
>> and that's why I couldn't find her at first.  I only found her when I saw 
>> there was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next child.  
>> The computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do you think!  
>> I was missing Luzia.  She was baptized 18 September 1689
>> 
>> Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?  
>> 
>> Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll 
>> gladly send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria 
>> Carvalha had a total of 10 kids. 
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello John,  yes!  Thank you so much for sending me this information.  My 
>> husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in 
>> Mosteiros.  Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes.  Your 
>> marriage date and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o). 
>> 
>> I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your 
>> sheet:  LUZIA FERREIRA.  But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes.  Am 
>> looking in Mosteiros.  I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO 
>> Ferreira.   (Who is she). 
>> 
>> Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings.  I found all of 
>> them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you.  (  you probably 
>> already have that already) 
>> 
>> As always, you are kind and so willing to help us.  Thank you.  Maybe we are 
>> related ( well, my husband and you). 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could this be what you are looking for?
>>> 
>>> Ahnentafel Chart for Luzia Ferreira
>>> First Generation
>>>  
>>>   1. Luzia Ferreira  was born on 18 Sep 1687 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>>> São Miguel, Açores.
>>> Luzia was not married to Unknown .
&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

[Maria Lima]

 JR, here is baptismal record for Luzia and the others:

LUZIA's BAPTISMAL RECORD
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html

LUZIA was the second child.  The first was MARIA.  HERE IS MARIA's baptismal  
record; second on left page

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P33.html

MARGARIDA

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P52.html

JOSEFA, page 63

MANOEL, page 74

BRAZ, page 85

JOAO, page 98

JOSEFA, page 105

MECIA, page 113

BALTHEZAR 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1707-1728_item1/P16.html

My husband descends from Balthezar.   

Oh oh- I don't think I searched after BALTHEZAR, there might be more children 
and I didn't think to look (yet).  

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 4, 2017, at 7:11 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much! I descend from Luzia. Which one is your ancestor? Thanks 
> again.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 7:24 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> JR : these are the 10 children for this couple baptized in GINETES, Baptisms 
> 1678-1707
> 
> MARIA, 23 February 1687 these are baptismal dates 
> LUZIA 18 September 1689
> MARGARIDA 3 February 1692
> JOSEFA 28 October 1694
> MANOEL 29 December 1697
> BRAZ - 1 January 1701 (born) they started recording birth date
> JOAO June 1703 (no birth date here)
> JOSEFA 28 October 1704 birthdate
> MECIA 24 January 1706 birthdate
> BALTHEZAR 29 August 1709 birthdate my husband's ancestor
> 
> I looked for an obit for the first JOSEFA all the way up to the birth of the 
> second JOSEFA but did not find one.
> 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:27 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would love to have the name of all those kids. Thank you so much!
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 5:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> JR:
>> 
>> I found LUZIA!!  Here's her baptismal record.  This (I THINK) is the No 1 
>> person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
>> 
>> If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 1687 
>> and that's why I couldn't find her at first.  I only found her when I saw 
>> there was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next child.  
>> The computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do you think!  
>> I was missing Luzia.  She was baptized 18 September 1689
>> 
>> Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?  
>> 
>> Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll 
>> gladly send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria 
>> Carvalha had a total of 10 kids. 
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello John,  yes!  Thank you so much for sending me this information.  My 
>> husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in 
>> Mosteiros.  Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes.  Your 
>> marriage date and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o). 
>> 
>> I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your 
>> sheet:  LUZIA FERREIRA.  But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes.  Am 
>> looking in Mosteiros.  I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO 
>> Ferreira.   (Who is she). 
>> 
>> Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings.  I found all of 
>> them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you.  (  you probably 
>> already have that already) 
>> 
>> As always, you are kind and so willing to help us.  Thank you.  Maybe we are 
>> related ( well, my husband and you). 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could this be what you are looking for?
>>> 
>>> Ahnentafel Chart for Luzia Ferreira
>>> First Generation
>>>  
>>>   1. Luzia Ferreira  was born on 18 Sep 16

[AZORES-Genealogy] Children of AntonioFerreira. Maria Carvalha

[Maria Lima]

JR : these are the 10 children for this couple baptized in GINETES, Baptisms 
1678-1707

MARIA, 23 February 1687 these are baptismal dates 
LUZIA 18 September 1689
MARGARIDA 3 February 1692
JOSEFA 28 October 1694
MANOEL 29 December 1697
BRAZ - 1 January 1701 (born) they started recording birth date
JOAO June 1703 (no birth date here)
JOSEFA 28 October 1704 birthdate
MECIA 24 January 1706 birthdate
BALTHEZAR 29 August 1709 birthdate my husband's ancestor

I looked for an obit for the first JOSEFA all the way up to the birth of the 
second JOSEFA but did not find one.


Maria Elena 

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:27 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I would love to have the name of all those kids. Thank you so much!
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 5:07 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> JR:
> 
> I found LUZIA!!  Here's her baptismal record.  This (I THINK) is the No 1 
> person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html
> 
> If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 1687 
> and that's why I couldn't find her at first.  I only found her when I saw 
> there was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next child.  The 
> computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do you think!  I 
> was missing Luzia.  She was baptized 18 September 1689
> 
> Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?  
> 
> Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll gladly 
> send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria Carvalha 
> had a total of 10 kids. 
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
> 
> Hello John,  yes!  Thank you so much for sending me this information.  My 
> husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in Mosteiros. 
>  Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes.  Your marriage date 
> and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o). 
> 
> I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your 
> sheet:  LUZIA FERREIRA.  But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes.  Am 
> looking in Mosteiros.  I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO 
> Ferreira.   (Who is she). 
> 
> Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings.  I found all of 
> them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you.  (  you probably 
> already have that already) 
> 
> As always, you are kind and so willing to help us.  Thank you.  Maybe we are 
> related ( well, my husband and you). 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Could this be what you are looking for?
>> 
>> Ahnentafel Chart for Luzia Ferreira
>> First Generation
>>  
>>   1. Luzia Ferreira  was born on 18 Sep 1687 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>> São Miguel, Açores.
>> Luzia was not married to Unknown .
>>  
>> Second Generation
>>  
>>   2. Antonio Ferreira  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. He married Maria Carvalho on 11 Jul 1686 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>> São Miguel, Açores.
>> Godfather to Antonio, son of Manuel Ferreira and Mariana Quaresma on 
>> 14-2-1678
>>   3. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores.
>>  
>> Third Generation
>>  
>>   4. Sebastião Ferreira  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores. He 
>> married Catarina Cabral.
>>   5. Catarina Cabral  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores.
>>  
>>   6. Jeronimo Martins  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. He married Maria Carvalho on 5 Feb 1664 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>> São Miguel, Açores.
>>   7. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores.
>>  
>> Fourth Generation
>>  
>> 12. Andre Martins  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores. He married 
>> Marta Rodrigues.
>> 13. Marta Rodrigues  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores.
>>  
>> 14. Gonçalo Pavão  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. He died on 23
>> 15. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. She died on 15 Jul 1656 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS

[Maria Lima]

JR:

I found LUZIA!!  Here's her baptismal record.  This (I THINK) is the No 1 
person in the Ahnentafel Chart you sent me.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P43.html

If we're talking about the same person, then, you had her birth year as 1687 
and that's why I couldn't find her at first.  I only found her when I saw there 
was a big gap of years between her older sisterand the next child.  The 
computer indicated I might be "missing a child", and what do you think!  I was 
missing Luzia.  She was baptized 18 September 1689

Is she your ancestor or is ANTONIO Ferreira your ancestor?  

Again, thank you and if you want the names of the other siblings, I'll gladly 
send you the names and links and sources. Antonio Ferreira and Maria Carvalha 
had a total of 10 kids. 

Warm regards,

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello John,  yes!  Thank you so much for sending me this information.  My 
> husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in Mosteiros. 
>  Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes.  Your marriage date 
> and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o). 
> 
> I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your 
> sheet:  LUZIA FERREIRA.  But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes.  Am 
> looking in Mosteiros.  I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO 
> Ferreira.   (Who is she). 
> 
> Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings.  I found all of 
> them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you.  (  you probably 
> already have that already) 
> 
> As always, you are kind and so willing to help us.  Thank you.  Maybe we are 
> related ( well, my husband and you). 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Could this be what you are looking for?
>> 
>> Ahnentafel Chart for Luzia Ferreira
>> First Generation
>>  
>>   1. Luzia Ferreira  was born on 18 Sep 1687 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>> São Miguel, Açores.
>> Luzia was not married to Unknown .
>>  
>> Second Generation
>>  
>>   2. Antonio Ferreira  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. He married Maria Carvalho on 11 Jul 1686 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>> São Miguel, Açores.
>> Godfather to Antonio, son of Manuel Ferreira and Mariana Quaresma on 
>> 14-2-1678
>>   3. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores.
>>  
>> Third Generation
>>  
>>   4. Sebastião Ferreira  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores. He 
>> married Catarina Cabral.
>>   5. Catarina Cabral  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores.
>>  
>>   6. Jeronimo Martins  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. He married Maria Carvalho on 5 Feb 1664 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
>> São Miguel, Açores.
>>   7. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores.
>>  
>> Fourth Generation
>>  
>> 12. Andre Martins  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores. He married 
>> Marta Rodrigues.
>> 13. Marta Rodrigues  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores.
>>  
>> 14. Gonçalo Pavão  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. He died on 23
>> 15. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. She died on 15 Jul 1656 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
>> Açores. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> John Miranda Raposo
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, January 20, 2017 11:08 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I found records in Ginetes for people who lived in Sete Cidades as well. 
>> Seems like Ginetes was a central location for that area.
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:03:25 AM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>> Thanks Richard for reply.  It's what I was afraid of.  So sad!  On the map 
>> it looked like Bretanha freguesia would have been too far from the Mosteiros 
>> one.  So, I believe I've reached the end of the line on Antonio Ferreira 
>> (Mosteiros) married to Maria Carvalha (Ginetes). Marriage wasn't in Ginetes. 
>>  I found all their children in Ginetes. 
>> 
>> Really appreciate your reply 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com> 
>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS

[Maria Lima]

Hello John,  yes!  Thank you so much for sending me this information.  My 
husband descends through Antonio Ferreira, baptized 3 July 1653 in Mosteiros.  
Your sheet has him being born in São Sebastião, Ginetes.  Your marriage date 
and mine coincide, as well as the bride, Maria Carvalha (o). 

I was trying to locate the baptism of your person who is number 1 on your 
sheet:  LUZIA FERREIRA.  But I did not find her baptism in Ginetes.  Am looking 
in Mosteiros.  I want to figure out how she is related to ANTONIO Ferreira.   
(Who is she). 

Are you descended through her or one of Antonio's siblings.  I found all of 
them if you want to correspond, I can send them to you.  (  you probably 
already have that already) 

As always, you are kind and so willing to help us.  Thank you.  Maybe we are 
related ( well, my husband and you). 

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Could this be what you are looking for?
> 
> Ahnentafel Chart for Luzia Ferreira
> First Generation
>  
>   1. Luzia Ferreira  was born on 18 Sep 1687 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
> São Miguel, Açores.
> Luzia was not married to Unknown .
>  
> Second Generation
>  
>   2. Antonio Ferreira  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores. He married Maria Carvalho on 11 Jul 1686 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
> São Miguel, Açores.
> Godfather to Antonio, son of Manuel Ferreira and Mariana Quaresma on 14-2-1678
>   3. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores.
>  
> Third Generation
>  
>   4. Sebastião Ferreira  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores. He 
> married Catarina Cabral.
>   5. Catarina Cabral  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores.
>  
>   6. Jeronimo Martins  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores. He married Maria Carvalho on 5 Feb 1664 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, 
> São Miguel, Açores.
>   7. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores.
>  
> Fourth Generation
>  
> 12. Andre Martins  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores. He married 
> Marta Rodrigues.
> 13. Marta Rodrigues  was born in Mosteiros, São Miguel, Açores.
>  
> 14. Gonçalo Pavão  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores. He died on 23
> 15. Maria Carvalho  was born in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores. She died on 15 Jul 1656 in São Sebastião, Ginetes, São Miguel, 
> Açores. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Miranda Raposo
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 20, 2017 11:08 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I found records in Ginetes for people who lived in Sete Cidades as well. 
> Seems like Ginetes was a central location for that area.
> 
> M
> 
> On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 11:03:25 AM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
> Thanks Richard for reply.  It's what I was afraid of.  So sad!  On the map it 
> looked like Bretanha freguesia would have been too far from the Mosteiros 
> one.  So, I believe I've reached the end of the line on Antonio Ferreira 
> (Mosteiros) married to Maria Carvalha (Ginetes). Marriage wasn't in Ginetes.  
> I found all their children in Ginetes. 
> 
> Really appreciate your reply 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > The closest church to Mosterios is in Bretanha which is NS Ajuda. While 
> > there are baptisms from Mosterios that go to the late 1600's the marriage 
> > records for Mosterios in that time period are most likely lost. 
> > 
> > Rick 
> > 
> > Richard Francis Pimentel 
> > Epping, NH 
> > 
> > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> > Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups. com] On Behalf 
> > Of Maria Lima 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 10:26 PM 
> > To: AZORES 
> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS 
> > 
> > Does anyone know if people in the Mosteiros area went to another closely 
> > church that be married in the late 1600's.   
> > 
> > Their Baptisms start in early 1600's and gen their obits but their first 
> > marriages don't start till 1701.   
> > 
> > I don't know where else to look for a marriage record married around 1690.  
> > I fear it's the end f the line here.   
> > 
> > Maria Elena 
> > 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[Maria Lima]

Nope- I see "Clara." Look at the opposite page where he write the letter "C" in 
the name, "Costa".  That's what I see.  

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 27, 2017, at 2:28 PM, George Sousa  wrote:
> 
> By the way... with the help of some of your suggestions made to me after my 
> initial post in this thread I'm almost certain that I've found the marriage 
> record of the parents of the child.
> 
> For those that are interested here is the link. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730_item1/P9.html
> 
> The record states in part "...Manoel Fr^z filho de Domingos Cruvello Lordello 
> e de Breatis (Beatriz) Fernandes ja defunta natural desta freguesia e Ana de 
> Andrade de Moira (Moura) natural desta
> freguesia filha de Costantino Velho e de Francisca de Andrade ja defuntos..."
> 
> Now I have to figure out if Ana de Andrade Moira (Moura) also went by the 
> name of Clara de Andrade or if the priest had a very creative way of writing 
> Anna.
> 
> Here is the record 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P63.html.
>  It's the last entry on the second page.
> 
> Do you see Anna or Clara? I'm hopping you see Anna ;)
> 
> George
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:18 PM, George Sousa  wrote:
>> For whatever reason this name (Lordello or Lordelo) is quite common in Santo 
>> Espirito (Santa Maria). I'm not sure how common it is elsewhere in the 
>> Azores. I've not seen that name in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel. The only 
>> other Azorean parish that I'm researching.  I'm curious if that name shows 
>> up in other islands.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:07 AM, George Medeiros  
>>> wrote:
>>> It appears to be the name or surname Lordello. I read on a google search 
>>> that the surname is concentrated in Brazil with few people having this 
>>> surname around the world. I read that about 2426 people were found to bear 
>>> the surname Lordello. Maybe you know this about the surname but I thought 
>>> I'd share info I found. George Medeiros
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:10 PM, George Pacheco  wrote:
 
  Manoel Frz ( Fernandes) Lordello e de Ana de Moira (Moura)
 
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:46 AM, George Sousa  
> wrote:
> Thank you JR and thank you Louie... I will take your advice.
> 
> George
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:29 AM, JR  wrote:
>> It's Manoel Fr'z (Fernandes) Lordello
>> 
>> JR
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:41:20 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>> Second Record on the right...
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P45.html
>>> 
>>> Can anyone make out the father's full name? 
>>> 
>>> I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."
>>> 
>>> Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo 
>>> Lordello"... or something else?
>>> 
>>> As always... thank you for your help.
>>> 
>>> George
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A bit of background for those that are interested.
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of 
>>> Manoel Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura 
>>> Curvello 
>>> (http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810_item1/P4.html)
>>>  states he died on June 18, 1793 at the age of 77 (more or less). That 
>>> make his date of birth around 1716 (consistent with the above record).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dona?

[Maria Lima]

I've noticed on records that the wife of a soldier was called Dona.  However, I 
didn't observe what rank the soldier held, though.   
When my husband was commander of the 65th in Puerto Rico, they called me Dona 
Maria.  Which made me feel old but I've since seen this practice in my 
research.  (Whatever it's worth). So maybe  (?) they still use it out of 
courtesy to the office?  

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 12, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Notes from Joao Ventura, the archivist:
>  Dona was a title for a lady of higher position or nobility
> > 1600s, title was real
> 
> > 1700s titles was sometimes real
> 
> > 1800s titles were less accurate
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>> How is it that a woman is called “Dona”? Is it a title of respect, money, 
>> position? Is it inherited? I’ve never really known and thought it was time.  
>> :)
>> 
>> Kathy
>> ~~~
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>  http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>> 
>> Climb my Family Tree:
>>  http://www.kathys-place.com/Kathy/index.php
>> ~~~
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priest gave child 2 different names and sexes

[Maria Lima]

I wondered if the margin names were added later.  I appreciate that insight.  

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 11:05 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's what I see...
> 
> On the 10th of Aug, 1637 baptism of Maria, daughter of Sebastião Ferreira and 
> Catatina Cabral. Godparents are Antonio da Costa, son of Manuel? Ferreira and 
> Agada Ferreira, daughter of Gonçalo Ferreira.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Left page last one down
>> 
>> Wow- Priest wrote Sebastiao in the margin for the name but in the body he 
>> wrote the name of the child as MARIA!!
>> 
>> Help!  (There already was an older sister named Maria.  )
>> 
>> I'm not sure if I enter this as a female or a male, as Maria or Sebastiao.  
>> Grrr.  Maybe go by the body of the baptism?  
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698_item1/P27.html
>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priest gave child 2 different names and sexes

[Maria Lima]

Thanks Cheri.  I was trying to find an obit for the first Maria.   
Maybe they had 2 Maria's.  

Thanks- maybe tomorrow I'll find the answer.  Is just too cold to think.   
(Although I'm not complaining about the Mosteiros records- they're pretty 
clear.)


Maria Elena in Wisconsin 

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 10:50 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would guess Maria (he was looking at the father, Sebastiao, and 
> inadvertently wrote his name in the margin). The only way to be sure is to 
> find either the death or the marriage of this baby.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Left page last one down
>> 
>> Wow- Priest wrote Sebastiao in the margin for the name but in the body he 
>> wrote the name of the child as MARIA!!
>> 
>> Help!  (There already was an older sister named Maria.  )
>> 
>> I'm not sure if I enter this as a female or a male, as Maria or Sebastiao.  
>> Grrr.  Maybe go by the body of the baptism?  
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698_item1/P27.html
>> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priest gave child 2 different names and sexes

[Maria Lima]

Left page last one down

Wow- Priest wrote Sebastiao in the margin for the name but in the body he wrote 
the name of the child as MARIA!!

Help!  (There already was an older sister named Maria.  )

I'm not sure if I enter this as a female or a male, as Maria or Sebastiao.  
Grrr.  Maybe go by the body of the baptism?  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698_item1/P27.html
Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unusual girls name- not sure

[Maria Lima]

Thanks-JR-  

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:46 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> It's Iria or Yria or sometimes Irea.
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 10:29:50 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>> 
>> Left page last name
>> 
>> Is it "YRIA". (?). Thank you for taking a look.
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698_item1/P33.html
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual girls name- not sure

[Maria Lima]

Left page last name

Is it "YRIA". (?). Thank you for taking a look.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1623-1698_item1/P33.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS

[Maria Lima]

Richard:  after I wrote you, I felt impressed to go back and look again through 
the Ginetes Marriages where all the kids were baptized and I FOUND THEIR 
MARRIAGE!!  What a joy

Questions:  does it say Maria Cravalha's father, JERÓNIMO Martins was from 
Mosteiros(?). 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1646-1713_item1/P36.html

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The closest church to Mosterios is in Bretanha which is NS Ajuda. While there 
> are baptisms from Mosterios that go to the late 1600's the marriage records 
> for Mosterios in that time period are most likely lost. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
> 
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Lima
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 10:26 PM
> To: AZORES
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS
> 
> Does anyone know if people in the Mosteiros area went to another closely 
> church that be married in the late 1600's.  
> 
> Their Baptisms start in early 1600's and gen their obits but their first 
> marriages don't start till 1701.  
> 
> I don't know where else to look for a marriage record married around 1690.  I 
> fear it's the end f the line here.  
> 
> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS

[Maria Lima]

Thanks Richard for reply.  It's what I was afraid of.  So sad!  On the map it 
looked like Bretanha freguesia would have been too far from the Mosteiros one.  
So, I believe I've reached the end of the line on Antonio Ferreira (Mosteiros) 
married to Maria Carvalha (Ginetes). Marriage wasn't in Ginetes.  I found all 
their children in Ginetes.

Really appreciate your reply

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The closest church to Mosterios is in Bretanha which is NS Ajuda. While there 
> are baptisms from Mosterios that go to the late 1600's the marriage records 
> for Mosterios in that time period are most likely lost. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
> 
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Lima
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 10:26 PM
> To: AZORES
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS
> 
> Does anyone know if people in the Mosteiros area went to another closely 
> church that be married in the late 1600's.  
> 
> Their Baptisms start in early 1600's and gen their obits but their first 
> marriages don't start till 1701.  
> 
> I don't know where else to look for a marriage record married around 1690.  I 
> fear it's the end f the line here.  
> 
> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] MOSTEIROS MARRIAGERECORDS

[Maria Lima]

Does anyone know if people in the Mosteiros area went to another closely church 
that be married in the late 1600's.  

Their Baptisms start in early 1600's and gen their obits but their first 
marriages don't start till 1701.  

I don't know where else to look for a marriage record married around 1690.  I 
fear it's the end f the line here.  

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is Father Antao or ANTONIO

[Maria Lima]

Did not know that!  Thanks.  So if the person was the Treasurer, that means he 
had to be a priest.   

So nice to learn these things

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Just as FYI the Treasure position in the church was that of a Priest, not a 
> worker.  
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:12 PM Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Linda- you were correct about the witness being a worker at the church.  In 
>> going back I just found a record that had Antao Ferreira, as Treasurer- Just 
>> like u thought! 
>> 
>> When I saw it I wanted to share w/you.  
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 1:07 AM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yay!
>>> 
>>> Makes me smile too. It's possible that Antao may have had a job in/at the 
>>> church.  I've been going through records from the late 1700's for Lajes, 
>>> Flores, and one of the frequent witnesses was identified in one baptism in 
>>> which he was the padrinho as the "Thez.ro"-- treasurer, I think-- of the 
>>> Matriz.  I think he signed himself.  One of the other frequent witnesses 
>>> there was a "mulher solteira" who made her mark in a wide space the scribe 
>>> left in between her names. 
>>> 
>>> Well, off to bed now--
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:29:30 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
>>> Linda- you're right- it IS Antonio!!  .  I've tried going slowly over each 
>>> record to study the different writing of the priests and this one writes 
>>> Antao with a fancy "ao".  I appreciate your help.  
>>> 
>>> Yeah- can't help noticing how clearly Mr Antao Ferreira signs his name each 
>>> time- with all the fancy waves.  Made me smile at the little tidbits of 
>>> info we glean about these ancestors just from the way they signed their 
>>> name.  This fellow must have lived in the church or next to it because he 
>>> was a witness at many Baptisms.  (He was a good parishioner)  Good 
>>> observation.  Thank you for taking the time.  
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think the father is Antonio because the priest uses the abbreviation 
>>>> Ant.o for him, and but not for the padrinho where he writes "Anta + sign 
>>>> that looks like a capital S indicating o and tilde.
>>>> 
>>>> just an aside: I also think the padrinho seems to be playing with how he 
>>>> will sign his name as he becomes a full adult (ok, which is cooler? this A 
>>>> or that one?  Antam is nice and solid, but maybe too old fashioned?... 
>>>> hmmm... definitely keep the swirls.)
>>>> 
>>>> :)
>>>> 
>>>> Linda
>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 5:49:37 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
>>>> Although the record is good, I'm not sure about the father's name.
>>>> Because I'm searching for ANTONIO Ferreira, I thought I found the right 
>>>> couple.   Then I read the godparents and there's Antao Ferreira whose 
>>>> signature is on many of the Baptisms at that time.  The priest records 
>>>> that Antao, The Godfather witnessed with him.  Just not sure the father is 
>>>> abbreviation for Antonio or Antao . 
>>>> 
>>>> Can I get a second opinion, please?  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P105.html
>>>> 
>>>> Maria Elena 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Is Father Antao or ANTONIO

[Maria Lima]

Linda- you were correct about the witness being a worker at the church.  In 
going back I just found a record that had Antao Ferreira, as Treasurer- Just 
like u thought! 

When I saw it I wanted to share w/you.  

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 1:07 AM, linda  wrote:
> 
> Yay!
> 
> Makes me smile too. It's possible that Antao may have had a job in/at the 
> church.  I've been going through records from the late 1700's for Lajes, 
> Flores, and one of the frequent witnesses was identified in one baptism in 
> which he was the padrinho as the "Thez.ro"-- treasurer, I think-- of the 
> Matriz.  I think he signed himself.  One of the other frequent witnesses 
> there was a "mulher solteira" who made her mark in a wide space the scribe 
> left in between her names. 
> 
> Well, off to bed now--
> 
> best,
> 
> :)
> Linda
> 
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:29:30 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
>> Linda- you're right- it IS Antonio!!  .  I've tried going slowly over each 
>> record to study the different writing of the priests and this one writes 
>> Antao with a fancy "ao".  I appreciate your help.  
>> 
>> Yeah- can't help noticing how clearly Mr Antao Ferreira signs his name each 
>> time- with all the fancy waves.  Made me smile at the little tidbits of info 
>> we glean about these ancestors just from the way they signed their name.  
>> This fellow must have lived in the church or next to it because he was a 
>> witness at many Baptisms.  (He was a good parishioner)  Good observation.  
>> Thank you for taking the time.  
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, linda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the father is Antonio because the priest uses the abbreviation 
>>> Ant.o for him, and but not for the padrinho where he writes "Anta + sign 
>>> that looks like a capital S indicating o and tilde.
>>> 
>>> just an aside: I also think the padrinho seems to be playing with how he 
>>> will sign his name as he becomes a full adult (ok, which is cooler? this A 
>>> or that one?  Antam is nice and solid, but maybe too old fashioned?... 
>>> hmmm... definitely keep the swirls.)
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
 On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 5:49:37 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
 Although the record is good, I'm not sure about the father's name.
 Because I'm searching for ANTONIO Ferreira, I thought I found the right 
 couple.   Then I read the godparents and there's Antao Ferreira whose 
 signature is on many of the Baptisms at that time.  The priest records 
 that Antao, The Godfather witnessed with him.  Just not sure the father is 
 abbreviation for Antonio or Antao . 
 
 Can I get a second opinion, please?  
 
 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P105.html
 
 Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is Father Antao or ANTONIO- CORRECTION

[Maria Lima]

Left page- 2nd one
> 
> Although the record is good, I'm not sure about the father's name.Because 
> I'm searching for ANTONIO Ferreira, I thought I found the right couple.   
> Then I read the godparents and there's Antao Ferreira whose signature is on 
> many of the Baptisms at that time.  The priest records that Antao, The 
> Godfather witnessed with him.  Just not sure the father is abbreviation for 
> Antonio or Antao . 
> 
> Can I get a second opinion, please?  
> 
> 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P105.html
> 
> Maria Elena 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is Father Antao or ANTONIO

[Maria Lima]

Although the record is good, I'm not sure about the father's name.Because 
I'm searching for ANTONIO Ferreira, I thought I found the right couple.   Then 
I read the godparents and there's Antao Ferreira whose signature is on many of 
the Baptisms at that time.  The priest records that Antao, The Godfather 
witnessed with him.  Just not sure the father is abbreviation for Antonio or 
Antao . 

Can I get a second opinion, please?  



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P105.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with mother's last name

[Maria Lima]

Yeah!  You noticed that, too?   I'm laughing here

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:08 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> my pleasure!
> 
> I think there must be a genealogical corollary to Murphy's law which states: 
> On a page of neatly written entries and one illegible entry, yours will be 
> the illegible one.
> 
> good luck in your research,
> 
> :D
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 4:38:36 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
>> Linda- thank you so much for looking and confirming what I think it is.  
>> I've been studying this priest's handwriting in other records.  
>> 
>> I appreciate your help very much
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:04 PM, linda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It looks like Carvalha to me.  I see as follows: 
>>> 
>>> C-a-r-v [descender from line above+ascender of h from line below] l+sloppy 
>>> h-a
>>> 
>>> "r" looks like the "r" in Maria
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
 On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:20:31 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
 Right page 2nd one down
 
 I think it is Carvalha.  Can someone confirm, please.  If it's not 
 Carvalha, then it's not the right couple.  I understand the child is named 
 Mecia.  (First time I've seen that name)
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P113.html
 
 
 Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with mother's last name

[Maria Lima]

Linda- thank you so much for looking and confirming what I think it is.  I've 
been studying this priest's handwriting in other records.  

I appreciate your help very much

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:04 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> It looks like Carvalha to me.  I see as follows: 
> 
> C-a-r-v [descender from line above+ascender of h from line below] l+sloppy h-a
> 
> "r" looks like the "r" in Maria
> 
> :)
> 
> Linda
> 
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 2:20:31 PM UTC-8, Maria wrote:
>> Right page 2nd one down
>> 
>> I think it is Carvalha.  Can someone confirm, please.  If it's not Carvalha, 
>> then it's not the right couple.  I understand the child is named Mecia.  
>> (First time I've seen that name)
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P113.html
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with mother's last name

[Maria Lima]

Right page 2nd one down

I think it is Carvalha.  Can someone confirm, please.  If it's not Carvalha, 
then it's not the right couple.  I understand the child is named Mecia.  (First 
time I've seen that name)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P113.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questioning Child's name : and even parents

[Maria Lima]

Righthand page- second one down with chicken scratch.  


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Can someone verify the mother's last name.  (?) It looks like Carvalha, (maybe  
Cardoza?).   After studying it for hours, I now see the father is from 
Mosteiros (and that is  the Antonio Ferreira I'm looking for).   If the wife's 
last name is Carvalha, then I got the right couple .  Help?  Thanks 

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maria Elena, I think that you have the Dad's name correct but as I am not 
> familier with the names on Sao Miguel, I can't make an educated guess on 
> Mom!! I almost thought it was Cardoza but Carvalho may be it, just need 
> someone from Sao Miguel to take a look-see!
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ah- yes I SEE IT NOW!  Where the priest wrote Maria for the mother, he wrote 
>> the letter "r" not a "C".  Btw- are THE names of the parents indeed Antonio 
>> Ferreira and Maria Carvalha?
>> 
>> Thank you so much
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria, I think that the name is Mecia. If you look at some of the words 
>>> that you know and that have a 'c' you will see that the Priest makes then a 
>>> little bit bigger than the rest of the word. 
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Record is RIGHT HAND- second one down
>>>> 
>>>> Is the child's name MELIA?  And can you confirm the parents are Antonio 
>>>> Ferreira x Maria Carvalha.
>>>> 
>>>> The priest's handwriting is horrible and I can only pick out a few words 
>>>> here and there but nothing that makes sense to me. He says  "menina" and 
>>>> wish I knew what was happening but I'm stumped.  
>>>> Thanks for your help.  
>>>> 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P113.html
>>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questioning Child's name : and even parents

[Maria Lima]

Ah- yes I SEE IT NOW!  Where the priest wrote Maria for the mother, he wrote 
the letter "r" not a "C".  Btw- are THE names of the parents indeed Antonio 
Ferreira and Maria Carvalha?

Thank you so much

Maria Elena 

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Maria, I think that the name is Mecia. If you look at some of the words that 
> you know and that have a 'c' you will see that the Priest makes then a little 
> bit bigger than the rest of the word. 
> 
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>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Record is RIGHT HAND- second one down
>> 
>> Is the child's name MELIA?  And can you confirm the parents are Antonio 
>> Ferreira x Maria Carvalha.
>> 
>> The priest's handwriting is horrible and I can only pick out a few words 
>> here and there but nothing that makes sense to me. He says  "menina" and 
>> wish I knew what was happening but I'm stumped.  
>> Thanks for your help.  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P113.html
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Questioning Child's name : and even parents

[Maria Lima]

Record is RIGHT HAND- second one down

Is the child's name MELIA?  And can you confirm the parents are Antonio 
Ferreira x Maria Carvalha.

The priest's handwriting is horrible and I can only pick out a few words here 
and there but nothing that makes sense to me. He says  "menina" and wish I knew 
what was happening but I'm stumped.  
Thanks for your help.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P113.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 2 names in Ginetes- pages of baptisms, no dates

[Maria Lima]

These recordings were aN INDEX!!??!  (?).  WOW- never would have guessed.   I 
wondered what happened, and contemplated and re read the pages several times 
over a couple of days before posting.  

I didn't notice it was at the back of the book but I'll look again.  Margaret, 
you're saying I may have to find the Baptisms years earlier.  I will search.  

The good thing is we do know is that they existed.  I will enter them for 
children of the couple without a date.  (For now)
Thanks for enlightening me!


Maria Elena 

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It looks like an index. It's at the back of the book and goes on for a few 
> pages and then the last couple of pages are baptisms again.
> 
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> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Madrinha (godmother) Apellonia (Apolonia) Ferreira 
>> 
>> Twins: name and tile of priest.
>> 
>> Maria Elena, as far as I can tell, you're looking at an index of sorts.  
>> What's strange is that is in the middle of this book. I'm not certain if it 
>> is for baptisms or confirmations.  There are no titles nor explanatory 
>> notes.  You will note there are no dates either, I'm inclined to think it 
>> might be confirmations index.  If it is you will have to find the records 7 
>> to 10, 12 years earlier.  
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> First time I've seen this: Baptisms are recorded with no dates.   Almost 
>>> all names  abbreviated like the recorder was trying to save space.  .  The 
>>> only other info is  either the name of the godmother or godfather.   
>>> 
>>> I found 2 children born to Antonio Ferreira x Maria Carvalha. The first 
>>> one I could not read the name of the godmother but I think she's related to 
>>> the father because the last name is Ferreira. 
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P118.html
>>> 
>>> Right hand page-12th name down:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Margarida, daughter of Antonio  Ferreira x Maria Carvalha- can someone read 
>>> the godmother(?).  Something Ferreira
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Then the same couple had twins- if I'm reading it right(?)
>>> 
>>> Right hand page- 18th down-  Does it say:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P119.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Manoel and Bras (Braz?) filhos of Antonio Ferreira x Maria Carvalho?  After 
>>> that the priest wrote the same thing in almost all of the records- 
>>> something about "conmigo".  (With me)
>>> 
>>>  The priest must have copied a lot of names from some other record; names 
>>> that would have been lost.  There's also a notation by a priest (I think)  
>>> at the end of the list.   After that  the record returns to the standard 
>>> recordings.  (Thankfully!!?)
>>> 
>>> Thank you for any help you can give me
>>> 
>>> I may have to look for marriages to get an idea f years of birth.  Bummer. 
>>> 
>>> l
>>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 2 names in Ginetes- pages of baptisms, no dates

[Maria Lima]

First time I've seen this: Baptisms are recorded with no dates.   Almost all 
names  abbreviated like the recorder was trying to save space.  .  The only 
other info is  either the name of the godmother or godfather.   

I found 2 children born to Antonio Ferreira x Maria Carvalha. The first one 
I could not read the name of the godmother but I think she's related to the 
father because the last name is Ferreira. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P118.html

Right hand page-12th name down:
 

Margarida, daughter of Antonio  Ferreira x Maria Carvalha- can someone read the 
godmother(?).  Something Ferreira



Then the same couple had twins- if I'm reading it right(?)

Right hand page- 18th down-  Does it say:


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707/SMG-PD-GINETES-B-1678-1707_item1/P119.html



Manoel and Bras (Braz?) filhos of Antonio Ferreira x Maria Carvalho?  After 
that the priest wrote the same thing in almost all of the records- something 
about "conmigo".  (With me)

 The priest must have copied a lot of names from some other record; names that 
would have been lost.  There's also a notation by a priest (I think)  at the 
end of the list.   After that  the record returns to the standard recordings.  
(Thankfully!!?)

Thank you for any help you can give me

I may have to look for marriages to get an idea f years of birth.  Bummer. 

l

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[AZORES-Genealogy] What parish is Barbara De Viveiros from?

[Maria Lima]

RIGHT SIDE, MIDDLE CHILD (DEOLINDA)

It looks like the mother is from Something "Antonio" .  There's a couple of 
letters above the word "Antonio".  Then it says- freguesia do mesmo something 
or other...

I wish I could figure out where she was from.  Grrr.  Can anyone figure out her 
parish?  Thanks so much for looking


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1726-1734/SMG-PD-RELVA-B-1726-1734_item1/P81.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Souza Mancebo's father's name

[Maria Lima]

Hi Cheri, 

I did not know that and I appreciate that you alerted me to it.  Yeah, I would 
have made a wrong assumption- glad you picked up on that.  Thank you!!

Maria Elena 

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Be careful with the "Mancebo." It's not always the son of. Sometimes it's the 
> nephew or a younger cousin with the same name. So keep an open mind when 
> researching.
> 
> When I've seen "Outro" then I know it's the same name.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Souza Mancebo's father's name

[Maria Lima]

Oh- yes!!! I do have  Manoel de Sousa Tramocinho!  I was thinking the other 
name u gave me sounded similar to Tramocinho.

Wow- never knew about the meaning of Mancebo as "the younger" (Jose, the 
younger). Thanks! 

So excited now to look for Baptisms.  

Thank you Rosemarie also and Cheri and Margaret. This is so helpful.  I'm 
looking forward to researching the kids now.  Yay.

Maria Elena 

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Maria, sorry, the nickname is NOT tramapinhoit is Tramocinho.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Cheri and Rosemarie,
>> 
>> I just SAW IT!  . The mother's last name is SOUZA! But what I'm stumped on 
>> is the whole name of  Jose's  father.  Can u read it? 
>> 
>> It looks like SOUZA TRA.(??). I totally can't figure out his last name either
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria, paternal mother is Laurencia something, ja de funta (already dead). 
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Jose de Souza Mancebo. Antonia da Conceicao.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> RIGHT SIDE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P4.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am seeing "Souza tra  Mob... (?).   it doesn't make sense to me.  The 
>>>>> last name of his wife is not clear to me either:  Lourenca de farda (?). 
>>>>> Can anyone make this out???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Postcards

[Maria Lima]

Rosemarie:  yes, we got the postcards and appreciate your efforts to share 
these with us.  Thank you

Man!!  it looks like it was a hard life.  

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Souza Mancebo's father's name

[Maria Lima]

Oh my GOODNESS- I just saw the TRA-mocinho!  I see it now . 

Thank you

Maria Elena 

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Maria, if you look again at the mancebo, marriage record where you see the 
> "TRA" if you put the next letters together you will see the word "tra 
> mocinho" 
> 
> Glad to help,
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wow!  Margaret, again you come to my rescue.  I never would have guessed the 
>> "TRA" abbreviation, or didn't realize the name "Mancebo" meant "the younger"
>> 
>> This is so helpful.  Yes, I was wondering if I could find baptismal records 
>> if I were guessing the name of the father but now I'm more confident, thanks 
>> to you and the other wonderful people on this list.
>> 
>> Thank you all
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Maria,
>>> 
>>> Re your question Sousa (TRA).  it stands for tramapinho.  As far as I can 
>>> determine this is an alcunha or nickname.  "trama" is a quality of pine.  
>>> 
>>> You can check for yourself, marriage record link below, top left.  
>>> 
>>> The groom is Jose de Sousa da Silva son of Jose the Sousa tramapinho and of 
>>> Maria da Silva.
>>> 
>>> The bride is Laurencia de Sousa de Vasconcelos daughter of Manuel Concelos 
>>> (Vasconcelos, correct form) of Mosteiros, and Maria de Sousa
>>> 
>>> You still need to find the birth record for the mancebo, Jose de Sousa.
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1708-1732/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1708-1732_item1/P103.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Cheri and Rosemarie,
>>>> 
>>>> I just SAW IT!  . The mother's last name is SOUZA! But what I'm stumped on 
>>>> is the whole name of  Jose's  father.  Can u read it? 
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like SOUZA TRA.(??). I totally can't figure out his last name 
>>>> either
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Maria Elena 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maria, paternal mother is Laurencia something, ja de funta (already 
>>>>> dead). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Jose de Souza Mancebo. Antonia da Conceicao.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> RIGHT SIDE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P4.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am seeing "Souza tra  Mob... (?).   it doesn't make sense to me.  The 
>>>>>>> last name of his wife is not clear to me either:  Lourenca de farda 
>>>>>>> (?). Can anyone make this out???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Souza Mancebo's father's name

[Maria Lima]

Wow!  Margaret, again you come to my rescue.  I never would have guessed the 
"TRA" abbreviation, or didn't realize the name "Mancebo" meant "the younger"

This is so helpful.  Yes, I was wondering if I could find baptismal records if 
I were guessing the name of the father but now I'm more confident, thanks to 
you and the other wonderful people on this list.

Thank you all

Maria Elena 

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Maria,
> 
> Re your question Sousa (TRA).  it stands for tramapinho.  As far as I can 
> determine this is an alcunha or nickname.  "trama" is a quality of pine.  
> 
> You can check for yourself, marriage record link below, top left.  
> 
> The groom is Jose de Sousa da Silva son of Jose the Sousa tramapinho and of 
> Maria da Silva.
> 
> The bride is Laurencia de Sousa de Vasconcelos daughter of Manuel Concelos 
> (Vasconcelos, correct form) of Mosteiros, and Maria de Sousa
> 
> You still need to find the birth record for the mancebo, Jose de Sousa.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1708-1732/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1708-1732_item1/P103.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Cheri and Rosemarie,
>> 
>> I just SAW IT!  . The mother's last name is SOUZA! But what I'm stumped on 
>> is the whole name of  Jose's  father.  Can u read it? 
>> 
>> It looks like SOUZA TRA.(??). I totally can't figure out his last name either
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria, paternal mother is Laurencia something, ja de funta (already dead). 
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Jose de Souza Mancebo. Antonia da Conceicao.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> RIGHT SIDE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P4.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am seeing "Souza tra  Mob... (?).   it doesn't make sense to me.  The 
>>>>> last name of his wife is not clear to me either:  Lourenca de farda (?). 
>>>>> Can anyone make this out???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Souza Mancebo's father's name

[Maria Lima]

Thanks Cheri and Rosemarie,

I just SAW IT!  . The mother's last name is SOUZA! But what I'm stumped on is 
the whole name of  Jose's  father.  Can u read it? 

It looks like SOUZA TRA.(??). I totally can't figure out his last name either



Maria Elena 

> On Nov 7, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Maria, paternal mother is Laurencia something, ja de funta (already dead). 
> 
> Rosemarie
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jose de Souza Mancebo. Antonia da Conceicao.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Achada
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> RIGHT SIDE
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780/SMG-PD-RELVA-C-1762-1780_item1/P4.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am seeing "Souza tra  Mob... (?).   it doesn't make sense to me.  The 
>>> last name of his wife is not clear to me either:  Lourenca de farda (?). 
>>> Can anyone make this out???
>>> 
>>> Thank you!!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jose de Souza Mancebo's father's name

[Maria Lima]

RIGHT SIDE


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I am seeing "Souza tra  Mob... (?).   it doesn't make sense to me.  The last 
name of his wife is not clear to me either:  Lourenca de farda (?). Can anyone 
make this out???

Thank you!!!



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] THE AGE OF DOMINGOS DE ANDRADE AT DEATH

[Maria Lima]

Thanks.  I thought it might be 59.  Still can't find his marriage to Anna dos 
Anjos around 1714.  Maybe I should take the "more or less" into account here 
and search earlier than 1714.  He's been a mystery!  Grrr! 

Maria Elena 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 8:51 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think what Cheri is reading is the end of the year (1852).  The age is on 
> lines 3 to 4.  The first word is hard to read but I agree with Angela that it 
> looks like 59.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 6:19:10 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Lines 7 to 8? It looks like: Sin Co(smudge) enta e
>> dois
>> 
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>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Ângela Loura <angel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Look like 59
>>> 
>>> 2016-10-31 1:05 GMT+00:00 Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com>:
>>>> I think it says 52
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Maria Lima <maria@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello friends, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> LEFT PAGE , second obit
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I THINK I see or 59.   (Or 39?) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there anyone who could verify?  Thank you for taking the time to look
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758_item1/P73.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] THE AGE OF DOMINGOS DE ANDRADE AT DEATH

[Maria Lima]

Hello friends, 

LEFT PAGE , second obit

 I THINK I see or 59.   (Or 39?) 

Is there anyone who could verify?  Thank you for taking the time to look


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] http://tombo.pt/en/d/acores#PDL

[Maria Lima]

Me too - bummer.

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> On Oct 23, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Theresa Entin  wrote:
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> Is anyone else having trouble with the website?  I have not been able to get 
> on since this AM.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manoel TEIXEIRA parent of: confirmation on name of parents

[Maria Lima]

LOWER RIGHT- does it say:

Thome, son of Manoel Teixeira and Josefa Goncalves.  ...
(?). I was actually looking for their son,  Manoel,  and found Thome instead (I 
think). 





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with last names, pls

[Maria Lima]

Record on the left

I'm having trouble reading the last name of the father of the bride.  Is it 
Felipe Matos (?).(  Because the daughter's name looks like Maria Josefa de 
Morais.   

Also the mother- is that Maria de Assencao (?). 


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755_item1/P49.html

Thanks so much for looking at this:)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of recolhida no reconhecimento"

[Maria Lima]

I had a FEELING it had something to do with a convent or becoming a nun.  I'm 
searching for a Marianna, daughter of Domingos de Mello, born in 1741 and she 
doesn't show up anywhere so the only thing I could guess is that she became a 
Nun .  But They don't always give names of family members.  In this case they 
did and it's not her:(
But I wanted to know what the "reconhecimento" was because there seemed to be a 
lot of women in them. (In 1700's)

Thanks for answering.  I hoped you would

Maria Elena 

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
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> Hi,
> 
> Maria Elena, not related to retirement.  The obit reads: 
> 
>  Mariana da Encarnacao, recolhida no Recolhimento da N. Senhora da Conceicao. 
>  The term "recolhida" was used to describe "Nun" or aspirant to be a Nun. 
> 
> Recolhimento means (Convent) of Nossa Senhora da Conceicao.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I looked on google translate and it has to do with " retirement". So I don't 
>> know how this relates to people in 1745 or so.  I seen this a lot now and 
>> decided to ask if anyone knows something about these "retirement homes".  
>> (?). Thanks
>> 
>> 2 on the left
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-O-1701-1753/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-O-1701-1753_item1/P191.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of recolhida no reconhecimento"

[Maria Lima]

I looked on google translate and it has to do with " retirement". So I don't 
know how this relates to people in 1745 or so.  I seen this a lot now and 
decided to ask if anyone knows something about these "retirement homes".  (?). 
Thanks

2 on the left

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-O-1701-1753/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-O-1701-1753_item1/P191.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Widowed woman "mendicante" buried where?

[Maria Lima]

Yes that is so kind of you to share the information with me.
Thank you Linda.
Wow- that was tough living.  It makes me think about the conditions of our 
ancestors.  We are so abundantly blessed today to have the necessities of life 
and then some.  I can't imagine how hard their lives were.  
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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:15 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> Hi Maria Elena,
> 
> Mendicant denotes begging, but, no, I don't think we can assume homelessness. 
> Nineteenth century travel writers to the Azores describe the material poverty 
> and the custom of begging, but I don't recall reading any accounts of 
> homeless elderly women.  
> 
> Ok, here's a quick summary of a description from one of the books I have: 
> Saturday was the customary day they made their rounds; the beggars the author 
> observed (on Sao Miguel) were all elderly impoverished women.  He says that 
> "Mendicity [sic] is confined to the aged and infirm poor and to the crippled 
> and blind, for whom there is no legal provision.  They are therefore 
> dependent on the charity of the wealthy, to whom they make a weekly 
> application and receive alms."  "Their strength is to sit still; and they 
> will wait on a staircase or at a gate for more than an hour, in dismal 
> expectation of the smallest pittance."  During the period when your Barbara 
> Velha lived, the monasteries and convents distributed surplus food to the 
> beggars as well as alms; later the religious houses were dissolved, and the 
> author (writing about 20 years afterwards, if I recall correctly) suggests 
> that added a bit more hardship to their lives.  
> 
> I recall reading an obito for a man in Cedros, Flores where the priest wrote 
> that the man's occupation was "a beggar and nothing more".  His tone struck 
> me as exasperated, and now I wish I'd noted where exactly I saw it because 
> now I'd like to look at it again.
> 
> hope that's useful for you,
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 4:43:07 AM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>> Linda, thank you for clarifying.  Yeah, i saw  those words, "that "she had 
>> nothing".   I looked to see if it said that in the other obits but it 
>> didn't.  And the priest used the word " VELHA" ( as in old? I wondered ) to 
>> punctuate her status.  
>> 
>> It saddens me  that with grown children the mother would be homeless.  Does 
>> mendicante also mean homeless (?) 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:34 PM, linda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Barbara Velha, a widow, an aged beggar, "...died with all the sacraments of 
>>> the sainted church; she made no will for she had nothing; she was buried in 
>>> the churchyard near the main door of this church..."
>>> 
>>> I've read that in the mid/late19th century, it was the custom that on one 
>>> day of the week (Sundays, I think, but am not sure now) the poor of a 
>>> parish would go from door to door collecting alms, and that it was the 
>>> practice to give something if one could.  The wealthier one was, the more 
>>> obligated to give alms-- not forgetting the religious obligation as well.  
>>> I don't know if this was the case earlier too, but I wouldn't be surprised 
>>> if it was a centuries old tradition.  Anyway, my impression is that begging 
>>> was sort of an informal socio-religious based welfare system.   
>>> 
>>> hope that helps,
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 6:42:23 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
 LEFT side first name- BARBARA VELHA
 
 This is the second widowed woman in the same time frame where the priest 
 wrote "mendicante" which I think in (spanish) it's a beggar.  Wow!  That 
 very sad considering they had grown children.  I can visualize them in 
 rags begging on the street and even though it was so long ago, it breaks 
 my heart to think they were left to beg when they were widowed.  Maybe 
 there's a better translation for mendicante.  Also, I couldn't figure out 
 where she was buried and wondered if someone could translate that about 
 the burial(?) please?  Some municipal place. 
 
 Thanks!!
 
 
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 Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Getting 500 Error message

[Maria Lima]

Okay, I wrote them.  Thanks. 

Maria Elena 

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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> You need to report it to the CCA. drac@azores.gov.pt Either English or 
> Portuguese.
> As always, let them know you appreciate all the work they have done on this 
> project.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Getting 500 Error message

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Hi friends,

Getting a 500 error message while trying to access the records today.  Bummer

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Widowed woman "mendicante" buried where?

[Maria Lima]

Linda, thank you for clarifying.  Yeah, i saw  those words, "that "she had 
nothing".   I looked to see if it said that in the other obits but it didn't.  
And the priest used the word " VELHA" ( as in old? I wondered ) to punctuate 
her status.  

It saddens me  that with grown children the mother would be homeless.  Does 
mendicante also mean homeless (?) 
Maria Elena 

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:34 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> 
> Barbara Velha, a widow, an aged beggar, "...died with all the sacraments of 
> the sainted church; she made no will for she had nothing; she was buried in 
> the churchyard near the main door of this church..."
> 
> I've read that in the mid/late19th century, it was the custom that on one day 
> of the week (Sundays, I think, but am not sure now) the poor of a parish 
> would go from door to door collecting alms, and that it was the practice to 
> give something if one could.  The wealthier one was, the more obligated to 
> give alms-- not forgetting the religious obligation as well.  I don't know if 
> this was the case earlier too, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 
> centuries old tradition.  Anyway, my impression is that begging was sort of 
> an informal socio-religious based welfare system.   
> 
> hope that helps,
> 
> :)
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 6:42:23 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>> LEFT side first name- BARBARA VELHA
>> 
>> This is the second widowed woman in the same time frame where the priest 
>> wrote "mendicante" which I think in (spanish) it's a beggar.  Wow!  That 
>> very sad considering they had grown children.  I can visualize them in rags 
>> begging on the street and even though it was so long ago, it breaks my heart 
>> to think they were left to beg when they were widowed.  Maybe there's a 
>> better translation for mendicante.  Also, I couldn't figure out where she 
>> was buried and wondered if someone could translate that about the burial(?) 
>> please?  Some municipal place. 
>> 
>> Thanks!!
>> 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1708-1733/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1708-1733_item1/P11.html
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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