RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Valente from Pico
Hello Hermano and Happy New Year! Thanks for the offer to help with my "Valente" mystery. My problem is I have nothing to go on except that a neighbor to the old structure/ruin remembers that it used to belong to a family named Valente and they ended up in Fayal. But the place has been a ruin for yearsthe roof collapsed a very long time ago because it's full of things growing inside it. I tried going to the NEPS site this morning but couldn't get Madelena genealogies to come up. I'm going to look in the CCA site at the "imovel" properties where they show the historic properties and try to again glean some information from surrounding buildings that they have made note of.maybe I can deduce something from them since I didn't see this particular structure listed. If you have any " Valente" in Pico, in the 1700 or 1800"s I'd love to know about them! Especially, Bandeiras, St. Lucia and Madelena. Again, a happy 2013 filled with Blessings to you, Nancy Jean From: lagoe...@hotmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Valente from Pico Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:55:04 + Nancy Jean I did'tt realise that I had a few Valente's in my data base. Without going through them all I don't know about their origin but if you have names and dates I will be glad to check for a posible match. Happy New Year and God Bless. Hermano Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:56:13 -0800 From: kamis...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Valente from Pico I don't know if it is common, but my dad did have cousins with the surname Valente from Sao Miguel. Maria Natalia On Sunday, December 30, 2012 1:01:04 PM UTC-6, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Greetings to all, This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping that someone who researches Pico may have seen the surname "Valente". I'm not familiar with this as a common surname and wonder if anyone else is familiar with the "Valente" name. I'm especially interested in the Valente family from from Bandeiras. Any insight would be appreciated. Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
Thank you, Lionel and Rosemarie. That's a good idea to check the NEPS site for the name. I'm looking for a needle in a haystack.a family from Bandeiras who left who knows when and only a vague memory to the neighbors who live there now. I had hoped that the CCA records might give an occupation and that might be a clue to the structure since it's different from the usual casa of old. Nancy Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:39:12 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico From: lionelholme...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean Baptiste: >From my files of obituaries in the Sacramento CA area I have these Vicentes: Charles Valente=Victoria Ponte George Valente=Antonia Tarvis George Valente=Madeline ___Valente=Josephine Fonseca Lionel Rocha Holmes On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:15 PM, rcapodc wrote: Nancy, I would suggest that you try the NEPS site and check out each village for Valente. That will at least give you an idea of which village if any has the surname. At least you can search Pico in English instead of trying to read the Portuguese documents on the CCA site. www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt Rosemarie From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:54 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico Nancy, Yes, to answer you in my last message, I was noticing Valent in Piedade, Pico, but when you said Bandeiras, that was what caught my attention. Is the Valente you found from Bandeiras? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico From: nancy jean baptiste Date: Sun, December 30, 2012 12:46 pm To: azores group Hi Doug, Yes, I looked at the CCA site and began going through the available records looking for the name "Valente". I'm not looking for anyone in particular but I'm not familiar with that surname. Is it common and have you seen it in any Pico records? Any insight appreciated! Nancy From: p...@dholmes.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:21:45 -0700 Bad news, Nancy. Bandeiras records are lost before about 1850. I have many ancestors from Bandeiras. Who did you find from there? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico From: nancy jean baptiste Date: Sun, December 30, 2012 12:01 pm To: azores group Greetings to all, This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping that someone who researches Pico may have seen the surname "Valente". I'm not familiar with this as a common surname and wonder if anyone else is familiar with the "Valente" name. I'm especially interested in the Valente family from from Bandeiras. Any insight would be appreciated. Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
Doug, my inquiry truly is a shot in the dark. I've been unable to see the name
"valente" in the Bandeiras records that I've looked through. I'm curious about
the family from Bandeiras though because I know that at some point they existed
there. As far as I know I have no relation to them. We're in the process of an
addition on our adega in Santo Amaro and the new part needs the old cut stone
so we had to buy a ruin to move the rock and build with. As you go toward
Madalena the ruin is on the left in Bandeiras next to a small plaza not far
from the church. At some point it was a grand structuremuch larger than
average. Now the roof is fallen in but the stone is fabulous. No one seems to
know anything about the structure other than that at some point it was owned by
a family named "Valente" that eventually left for Fayal. I was hoping the
records might give me some insight. alas.
However, since we're on Babdeiras relationsI do have 1 that married into my
Candelaria line. JOSE FERREIRA SERPA married AGUEDA RODRIGUES and their first
child was born in 1706.not sure of the marriage date. Any chance of a
relation to your family from Bandeiras?
From: p...@dholmes.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:54:38 -0700
Nancy,
Yes, to answer you in my last message, I was noticing Valent in Piedade, Pico,
but when you said Bandeiras, that was what caught my attention.Is the Valente
you found from Bandeiras?
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
Original Message
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
From: nancy jean baptiste
Date: Sun, December 30, 2012 12:46 pm
To: azores group
Hi Doug,
Yes, I looked at the CCA site and began going through the available records
looking for the name "Valente". I'm not looking for anyone in particular but
I'm not familiar with that surname. Is it common and have you seen it in any
Pico records?
Any insight appreciated!Nancy
From: p...@dholmes.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:21:45 -0700
Bad news, Nancy.
Bandeiras records are lost before about 1850.
I have many ancestors from Bandeiras.
Who did you find from there?
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
From: nancy jean baptiste
Date: Sun, December 30, 2012 12:01 pm
To: azores group
Greetings to all,
This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping that someone who researches Pico may
have seen the surname "Valente". I'm not familiar with this as a common surname
and wonder if anyone else is familiar with the "Valente" name.
I'm especially interested in the Valente family from from Bandeiras.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Best regards,Nancy Jean Baptista
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
Hi Doug, Yes, I looked at the CCA site and began going through the available records looking for the name "Valente". I'm not looking for anyone in particular but I'm not familiar with that surname. Is it common and have you seen it in any Pico records? Any insight appreciated!Nancy From: p...@dholmes.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:21:45 -0700 Bad news, Nancy. Bandeiras records are lost before about 1850. I have many ancestors from Bandeiras. Who did you find from there? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico From: nancy jean baptiste Date: Sun, December 30, 2012 12:01 pm To: azores group Greetings to all, This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping that someone who researches Pico may have seen the surname "Valente". I'm not familiar with this as a common surname and wonder if anyone else is familiar with the "Valente" name. I'm especially interested in the Valente family from from Bandeiras. Any insight would be appreciated. Best regards,Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico
Greetings to all, This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping that someone who researches Pico may have seen the surname "Valente". I'm not familiar with this as a common surname and wonder if anyone else is familiar with the "Valente" name. I'm especially interested in the Valente family from from Bandeiras. Any insight would be appreciated. Best regards,Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas/Feliz Natal thread
Merry Christmas, Group! Much joy and peace to all in 2013. Peace in your heartPeace in your homePeace on Earth. Feliz Natal e Feliz Ano Nove para todo's em 2013Paz em seu coracaoPaz em seu larPaz na Terra. Nancy Jean Baptista(forgive any linguistic mistakes in my Portuguese!) From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas/Feliz Natal thread Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:46:35 -0800 MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy New Year to all. This year we have a white Christmas, with a foot of snow on the ground. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Cheri Mello To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas/Feliz Natal thread Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to all members of this list! For those wishing to post Christmas greetings, please use this thread only. Just hit reply and type away. Don't change the subject (it technically changes the thread). Please end your holiday greetings at 11:59pm on Dec. 25th in whatever time zone you are in! Your listowner, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Windows 8 and computer crash
George, I can send you the huge file behind my Catarina Cabral from Santa Maria that goes back to Violante and Diogo and back beyond them a very long way! Do you want it? Sorry for your problemheartbreaking with all that you had!Nancy Jean Baptista From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Windows 8 and computer crash Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:38:36 -0600 George I am sending you privately a GEDCOM of my Bretanha & Ponta Delgada people. My other files are from the Ribeira Grande Area if you need them I would be more than happy to send them as well. Rick Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pacheco Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 10:24 AM To: Azores-Gen Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Windows 8 and computer crash George Pacheco Windows 8 crashed my computer lost lots of data.Had a Computer Crash Lost lots of Data My back up didn't upload right the only backup that worked was from it makes me so depressed lost over 3000 people from my database, i will have to enter alt least the ones i have documents for. it is very depressing..-- www.georgepacheco.com-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating please
Hi Mary and Pam, I didn't see any obvious ages of the coupledid I just miss it or were they not there? My first thought was Figueira but the name Sequeira is so much more common therehopefully others will helpthat priest had lovely and difficult handwriting! Mary, I kept thinking we might connect with our family finder results but..not yet! Nancy Jean Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating please From: geneal...@hununu.org Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:35:46 -0700 To: azores@googlegroups.com On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Pam Santos wrote: or Theresa de Figuiera More likely Siqueira (Sequeria). I have seen that name in the records. I am not sure I've seen Figuiera in Norte Grande but I'm not an expert and we all know about Portuguese names! :) Mary On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 9:13 AM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Eddie, This is a difficult record to read and others will need to clarify parts of it for you. It appears to me to be:Oct, 29, 1825 in the morning married at Nossa Senhora das Neves Church in Norte Grand, Sao Jorge a couple with impediments ? degree of consanguity...2nd degree Joao de Azevedo Machado, although it looks like there could be a name in front of Joao, son of Manoel de Azevedo Machado and Maria Isabel de Jesus...to Maria Constancia de Azevedo daughter of Antonio Machado Alves and Theresa de ? Sequeira? Nancy Jean Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:52:59 -0700 From: avidedito...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating please I've tried to translate this myself. With a little success. I have the date at October 29, 1925 in Norte Grande. I have Joao d'Azevedo and Maria as the newly weds. Manual as the paternal parent. I am at a loss for the rest. Thanks for any help. -Eddie http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847_item1/P163.html -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating please
Hi Eddie, This is a difficult record to read and others will need to clarify parts of it for you. It appears to me to be:Oct, 29, 1825 in the morning married at Nossa Senhora das Neves Church in Norte Grand, Sao Jorge a couple with impediments ? degree of consanguity...2nd degree Joao de Azevedo Machado, although it looks like there could be a name in front of Joao, son of Manoel de Azevedo Machado and Maria Isabel de Jesus...to Maria Constancia de Azevedo daughter of Antonio Machado Alves and Theresa de ? Sequeira? Nancy Jean Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 07:52:59 -0700 From: avidedito...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating please I've tried to translate this myself. With a little success. I have the date at October 29, 1925 in Norte Grande. I have Joao d'Azevedo and Maria as the newly weds. Manual as the paternal parent. I am at a loss for the rest. Thanks for any help. -Eddie http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847_item1/P163.html -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with child's name please.
Sherry, it looks like Alesoro to me but I haven't seen that name either! Nancy Jean From: carab...@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:03:50 -0400 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with child's name please. To: Azores@googlegroups.com Can anyone tell me what this child's name is? It is the one at the bottom of the page. The father is Joam Pacheco. I can make out what I need from the rest of the baptism but not the child's name. To me it looks like Alenoro but I have never seen that name before. Thanks so much for your help. Sherry -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!
I also would like to thank Cheri for her vision and diligence regarding this group. I knew NOTHING about my ancestors when I joined this group in 2007not even the real name of my paternal great grandparents Now, I know so much about who and where I came from for many generations. Thank you, Cheri and to everyone else who helped me along the way. 1000 members and growing! Nancy Jean BaptistaPico, Sao Jorge and Santa Maria Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:08:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List! From: acore...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Cheri Thank you for leading this group to 1000 members...amazing Sandra Valine Dauer On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Len, I don't have a web site. I run this group. Any writing that I do is on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/W6Z7R I usually try to post the direct link to the site as well as the main site. Everything I've written is there. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Acadians in the Azores
I have cousins who came to the US from Sao George as " Gracia" and now use the name "Gracie" Nancy Jean From: kmh4...@aol.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Acadians in the Azores Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:15:04 -0700 Margaret,Good point. I had someone else tell me that Portuguese fisherman were all over the waters around Ireland, England and Scotland in the 1600-1700s and may have married and brought European brides home to the Azores. I guess that accounts for my uncle’s YDNA being predominantly Irish. Karen From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Vicente Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:19 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Acadians in the Azores The Portuguese were the first to arrive at Eastern Canada. Newfoundland original name was Terra Nova and Labrador's original was Terras de Lavrador. The early settlers arrived in Canada by ship in Nova Scotia. Also In Nova Scotia there's a small town called Potuguese Cove or Portugal Cove due to many of the cod fisherman living there through the Summer months during Cod fish season, with many staying and not returning to the Azores or Portugal. Margaret VicenteOn Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:GraisseThe only thing I can think of is a corruption of Garcia/Graça or maybe a real, real bad corruption of George/Jorge. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Margaret M Vicente-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Hi Marcio, Gayle and Emil, Last night I was too tired to spend much time looking at the record.noticed the relationship to Pedro Bettencourt right away. Will spend more time asap looking at your info in relation to my greatgrandparents who are both from Candelaria and have many from Sao Mateus. I did recognize many of the other names which I suspect are where you and I connected, Gayle. Headed to Pico today so will have some layover time and if not able to check then will do so asap. Nancy Jean To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island From: goodw...@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:47:53 -0400 Marcio, I've been comparing our charts for several hours now. I'm a bit dizzy, but I've found a number of connections. To make it go faster, I'm listing the numbers of the people on your chart that connect to my lines (and omitting typing the names to save time): 152, 153, 266, 267, 290, 291, 304, 305, 306, 307, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 844, 845, 1072 and 1073. In addition, I have more generations: Parents to 390 were Sebastiao Rodrigues Homem and Maria Silveira. Parents of 433 were Francisco Lopes Fonseca and Appellonia Candeis. Parents to 644 were Gaspar Garcia Sarmento and Madalena Rodrigues. Finally, I have a collateral line through 780 and 781. I'm calling it quits for tonight because my poor brain is on overload right now. It needs a break. Hope you can figure out what I've tried to say, Gayle -Original Message- From: Marcio Borba To: azores Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:32 pm Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Attaching people I am looking for in Pico island Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Hi Marcio, I have many of these people.I descend from Pedro Bettencourt and Maria Goulart from their daughter Luzia born in 1690. Best regards,Nancy Jean Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:32:51 -0700 From: marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island To: azores@googlegroups.com Attaching people I am looking for in Pico island Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Hi Cousin Emil, Thanks for the information. I like your format. Following the sameJoao Melo is my 7th grandfather, his and Isabel Dutra's son Jose Melo is my 6th, Jose and Rosa Francisca"s daughter, Ana Frasncisca is my 5th grandmother, Ana and Domingos Costa Nunes had 1 child, Mariana Luisa, my 4th grandmother, Mariana Luisa and Jose Rosa Peixoto's daughter, Angelica Rosa de Carmo is my 3rd grandmother, Angelica and Jose Furtado Silva Cardoso had my greatgrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso who with Ludovina Felizarda de Castro had my grandmother, Maria Felizarda de Castro Cardosa, who married my grandfather Joao Cabral Baptista, they had my father, Joseph Cardoso Baptista/Baptiste who with Norma Jean Pereira/Perry, had me, Nancy Jean Baptista the oldest of their 6 children. Regarding Celeste, I met her at the conference in Salt Lake City. Her on list kindness and helpfulness extended to there where she had made all attendees a bag to put their paperwork in. I guess we're double cousins if I'm also related to her husband because she and I are cousins also, way back there on Sao Jorge. I love finding cousins!!!Nancy Jean Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:10:25 + From: ehsilve...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Nancy Jean, Barbara da Conceicao is my 6th great grandmother, her daughter Rosa Inacia is my 5th great grandmother, her son Manoel Inacio Costa Malveiro is my 4th great grandfather, his daughter Maria Felicia is my 3rd great grandmother, her daughter Maria Felicia is my 2nd great grandmother, her daughter Inacia Florinda is my great grandmother, her daughter Eduarda Henriques Silveira is my paternal grandmother, her son Manuel Henriques Silveira is my father, his son Emilio (Emil) Henry Silveira is me. As a point of interest Robert Edward Perry who's wife Celeste Norine Lewis Perry is also one of our cousins. Celeste is well known on this list and always helps we who are in need. Thanks to her also. Cousin Emil Emil Silveira Currently Researching: Names and Places; Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:53:16 - (UTC) Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Hi Emil, I was curious which of Joao Melo's siblings you're descended from. Nice to find a new cousin! Nancy Jean Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:44:40 + From: ehsilve...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Hi again Nancy Jean and Gayle, Yes we are all three Cousins!! I will contact you both to share information. Emilio ( Emil ) Emil Silveira Currently Researching: Names and Places; Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial - Original Message - From: Gayle Machado To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:05:50 - (UTC) Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Nancy Jean, No, I don't have the parents for either Mateus or Agueda. I do have an approximate death date for Mateus as 12 Aug 1673. It is based on the baptism record where Agueda is listed as both a godparent and a widow. Gayle On Jul 14, 2012, at 8:04 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Gayle, Joao Melo is the grandson of Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues...son of Monica.husband of Isabel Dutra the daughter of Amaro and Isabel. My 7th ggrandfather and it appears he's Emil's 6th great grand uncle. Mateus and Agueda are as far back as I have. Do you have anyone behind them? Thanks for "dropping in the middle of the conversation".that's how we all find our connections, when we see the postings of others. At the time you and I compared I don't think I had my line back to Mateus and Agueda. I see you're from their 1st child Maria and I'm from their last, Monica, with 7 others in betweenperhaps others out there are also connected in this family. Nancy Jean To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island From: goodw...@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:20:31 -0400 Emil, I'm a bit hesitant to drop into the middle of a conversation, without fully understanding its source. But, some of these names being mentioned connect to my lines. First, is your Joao Melo is the grandson to Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues from Candelaria, Pico ? If so, I connect to them through their daughter Maria who married Matheus Vieira Tristao. In case you don't have the original baptism record, I show that
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Hi Emil, I was curious which of Joao Melo's siblings you're descended from. Nice to find a new cousin! Nancy Jean Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:44:40 + From: ehsilve...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Hi again Nancy Jean and Gayle, Yes we are all three Cousins!! I will contact you both to share information. Emilio ( Emil ) Emil Silveira Currently Researching: Names and Places; Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial - Original Message - From: Gayle Machado To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 04:05:50 - (UTC) Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Nancy Jean, No, I don't have the parents for either Mateus or Agueda. I do have an approximate death date for Mateus as 12 Aug 1673. It is based on the baptism record where Agueda is listed as both a godparent and a widow. Gayle On Jul 14, 2012, at 8:04 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi Gayle, Joao Melo is the grandson of Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues...son of Monica.husband of Isabel Dutra the daughter of Amaro and Isabel. My 7th ggrandfather and it appears he's Emil's 6th great grand uncle. Mateus and Agueda are as far back as I have. Do you have anyone behind them? Thanks for "dropping in the middle of the conversation".that's how we all find our connections, when we see the postings of others. At the time you and I compared I don't think I had my line back to Mateus and Agueda. I see you're from their 1st child Maria and I'm from their last, Monica, with 7 others in betweenperhaps others out there are also connected in this family. Nancy Jean To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island From: goodw...@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:20:31 -0400 Emil, I'm a bit hesitant to drop into the middle of a conversation, without fully understanding its source. But, some of these names being mentioned connect to my lines. First, is your Joao Melo is the grandson to Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues from Candelaria, Pico ? If so, I connect to them through their daughter Maria who married Matheus Vieira Tristao. In case you don't have the original baptism record, I show that Joao's mother Monica Sousa was baptised 28 Sep 1653 with godparents Matheus Furtado of Salvador, Horta, Faial and Phelipa Luis, sister to Padre M. Luis. Second, do you connect to Gaspar Garcia Sarmento and Madalena Rodrigues ? Or, is it just Nancy Jean who does ? Nancy Jean and I compared notes awhile back, if I remember correctly. The question is whether this is now a three-way connection. If you would like to contact me, feel free. My e-mail is: goodw...@aol.com Gayle -Original Message- From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Hi Emil, Sorry, I didn't "think" about what you wrote! Obviously if your great uncle, Joao Melo, married Isabel Dutra, the daughter of Amaro and Isabel, then he WAS my 7th great grandfather. I tend to complicate issues! Nancy Jean > Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:47:22 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island > From: gfsche...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Repost for Emil Silveira: > > Hi Nancy Jean, Marcio and anyone interested, > > I have made notes on some of your entries which > pertain to my family file. If you would like to ask me anything more > please > contact me. > > Emil > > Marcio, My paternal grandparents were from > Candelaria, Pico. The NEPS site has them back to the 8th generation. I > have a > Gasper Garcia Sarmento married to Madalena Rodrigues...no dates of > birth or > marriage given but, birth of first child 26 May, 1670 and giving me a > grandfather, Francisco Garcia Sarmento born Aug. 4, 1683. Also have > Mateus > Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues giving birth to 1st child in 1638. Mateus > Luis and > Leonor Rodrigues having 1st child Nov.15, 1657. > > Francisco Ferreira born > abt 1660 and Maria Rodrigues born abt 1660 > having a child Ines in 1685. This appears to be my 7th > great-grandparents born Nossa Senhora das Candeias, Candelaria, Pico, > Azores > > Amaro Pereira and Isabel Dutra with 1st child, > Pascoa born March 30, 1689. This is the parents of the > wife ( Isabel Dutra) of my 6th great grand uncle Joao Melo of > Candelaria, Pico, Azores. > > Finally, I have a multi greatgrandmother, Monica > Sousa born Sept. 28
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Hi Gayle, Joao Melo is the grandson of Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues...son of Monica.husband of Isabel Dutra the daughter of Amaro and Isabel. My 7th ggrandfather and it appears he's Emil's 6th great grand uncle. Mateus and Agueda are as far back as I have. Do you have anyone behind them? Thanks for "dropping in the middle of the conversation".that's how we all find our connections, when we see the postings of others. At the time you and I compared I don't think I had my line back to Mateus and Agueda. I see you're from their 1st child Maria and I'm from their last, Monica, with 7 others in betweenperhaps others out there are also connected in this family. Nancy Jean To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island From: goodw...@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:20:31 -0400 Emil, I'm a bit hesitant to drop into the middle of a conversation, without fully understanding its source. But, some of these names being mentioned connect to my lines. First, is your Joao Melo is the grandson to Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues from Candelaria, Pico ? If so, I connect to them through their daughter Maria who married Matheus Vieira Tristao. In case you don't have the original baptism record, I show that Joao's mother Monica Sousa was baptised 28 Sep 1653 with godparents Matheus Furtado of Salvador, Horta, Faial and Phelipa Luis, sister to Padre M. Luis. Second, do you connect to Gaspar Garcia Sarmento and Madalena Rodrigues ? Or, is it just Nancy Jean who does ? Nancy Jean and I compared notes awhile back, if I remember correctly. The question is whether this is now a three-way connection. If you would like to contact me, feel free. My e-mail is: goodw...@aol.com Gayle -Original Message- From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 3:21 pm Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island Hi Emil, Sorry, I didn't "think" about what you wrote! Obviously if your great uncle, Joao Melo, married Isabel Dutra, the daughter of Amaro and Isabel, then he WAS my 7th great grandfather. I tend to complicate issues! Nancy Jean > Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:47:22 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island > From: gfsche...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Repost for Emil Silveira: > > Hi Nancy Jean, Marcio and anyone interested, > > I have made notes on some of your entries which > pertain to my family file. If you would like to ask me anything more > please > contact me. > > Emil > > Marcio, My paternal grandparents were from > Candelaria, Pico. The NEPS site has them back to the 8th generation. I > have a > Gasper Garcia Sarmento married to Madalena Rodrigues...no dates of > birth or > marriage given but, birth of first child 26 May, 1670 and giving me a > grandfather, Francisco Garcia Sarmento born Aug. 4, 1683. Also have > Mateus > Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues giving birth to 1st child in 1638. Mateus > Luis and > Leonor Rodrigues having 1st child Nov.15, 1657. > > Francisco Ferreira born > abt 1660 and Maria Rodrigues born abt 1660 > having a child Ines in 1685. This appears to be my 7th > great-grandparents born Nossa Senhora das Candeias, Candelaria, Pico, > Azores > > Amaro Pereira and Isabel Dutra with 1st child, > Pascoa born March 30, 1689. This is the parents of the > wife ( Isabel Dutra) of my 6th great grand uncle Joao Melo of > Candelaria, Pico, Azores. > > Finally, I have a multi greatgrandmother, Monica > Sousa born Sept. 28 1653. She is my 7th > great-grandmother and her husband Agostinho Barcelos is my 7th > great-grandfather. These are all in Candelaria according to > NEPS.have not verified using CCA records but assume that's where > NEPS > acquired the info. Nancy Jean > > > Emil Silveira > > Currently Researching: > > Names and Places; > Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial > Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial > Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial > Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Hi Emil, Sorry, I didn't "think" about what you wrote! Obviously if your great uncle, Joao Melo, married Isabel Dutra, the daughter of Amaro and Isabel, then he WAS my 7th great grandfather. I tend to complicate issues! Nancy Jean > Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:47:22 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island > From: gfsche...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Repost for Emil Silveira: > > Hi Nancy Jean, Marcio and anyone interested, > > I have made notes on some of your entries which > pertain to my family file. If you would like to ask me anything more > please > contact me. > > Emil > > Marcio, My paternal grandparents were from > Candelaria, Pico. The NEPS site has them back to the 8th generation. I > have a > Gasper Garcia Sarmento married to Madalena Rodrigues...no dates of > birth or > marriage given but, birth of first child 26 May, 1670 and giving me a > grandfather, Francisco Garcia Sarmento born Aug. 4, 1683. Also have > Mateus > Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues giving birth to 1st child in 1638. Mateus > Luis and > Leonor Rodrigues having 1st child Nov.15, 1657. > > Francisco Ferreira born > abt 1660 and Maria Rodrigues born abt 1660 > having a child Ines in 1685. This appears to be my 7th > great-grandparents born Nossa Senhora das Candeias, Candelaria, Pico, > Azores > > Amaro Pereira and Isabel Dutra with 1st child, > Pascoa born March 30, 1689. This is the parents of the > wife ( Isabel Dutra) of my 6th great grand uncle Joao Melo of > Candelaria, Pico, Azores. > > Finally, I have a multi greatgrandmother, Monica > Sousa born Sept. 28 1653. She is my 7th > great-grandmother and her husband Agostinho Barcelos is my 7th > great-grandfather. These are all in Candelaria according to > NEPS.have not verified using CCA records but assume that's where > NEPS > acquired the info. Nancy Jean > > > Emil Silveira > > Currently Researching: > > Names and Places; > Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial > Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial > Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial > Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:47:22 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island > From: gfsche...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Repost for Emil Silveira: > > Hi Nancy Jean, Marcio and anyone interested, > > I have made notes on some of your entries which > pertain to my family file. If you would like to ask me anything more > please > contact me. > > Emil > > Marcio, My paternal grandparents were from > Candelaria, Pico. The NEPS site has them back to the 8th generation. I > have a > Gasper Garcia Sarmento married to Madalena Rodrigues...no dates of > birth or > marriage given but, birth of first child 26 May, 1670 and giving me a > grandfather, Francisco Garcia Sarmento born Aug. 4, 1683. Also have > Mateus > Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues giving birth to 1st child in 1638. Mateus > Luis and > Leonor Rodrigues having 1st child Nov.15, 1657. > > Francisco Ferreira born > abt 1660 and Maria Rodrigues born abt 1660 > having a child Ines in 1685. This appears to be my 7th > great-grandparents born Nossa Senhora das Candeias, Candelaria, Pico, > Azores Francisco and Maria are my 9th ggrandparents. I descend from their son Manuel Ferreira Matos > > Amaro Pereira and Isabel Dutra with 1st child, > Pascoa born March 30, 1689. I am from their 2nd child, Isabel Dutra as is > your Uncle Joao Inacio, married to Rosa Maria, correct? Or is he from > Agostinho and Monica?This 2nd Isabel, the daughter married a Joao Melo the > son of Agostinho Barcelos and Monica Sousa...they had 7 children the last 2 > brothers named Jose Melo who married Maria Garcia and the younger Joao Melo > who married Isabel Dutra which I think would make your great uncle my great > grandfather. I must admit that it confuses me.I think Joao Melo son of > Agostinho and Monica married his 1st cousin, Isabel, daughter of Amaro and > Isabel. Quite a few of my Candelaria ancestors married cousins. My great > grandparents, Ludovina Felizarda da Castro married her 1st cousin Manuel > Furtado Cardoso. They are descended from the above ancestors. The same names > are very confusing to me. Regardless, somehow we're cousins! Nancy Jean > This is the parents of the > wife ( Isabel Dutra) of my 6th great grand uncle Joao Melo of > Candelaria, Pico, Azores. > Finally, I have a multi greatgrandmother, Monica > Sousa born Sept. 28 1653. She is my 7th > great-grandmother and her husband Agostinho Barcelos is my 7th > great-grandfather.These are all in Candelaria according to > NEPS.have not verified using CCA records but assume that's where > NEPS > acquired the info. Nancy Jean > > > Emil Silveira > > Currently Researching: > > Names and Places; > Avila, Horta, Angustias, Faial > Silveira, Horta, Sao Salvador, Faial > Leal, Horta, Angustias, Faial > Vargas, Horta, Almoxarife, Faial > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Marcio, I went to the CCA site for Candelaria to verify some of the records I have from NEPS and they have Candelaria baptisms from 1636 to 1691 and I found some of the NEPS records there. Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:28:42 -0700 From: marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island To: azores@googlegroups.com Does anyone know if exists any other source of information on these parishes besides the church records? The records only start in begining of the 1700s Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island
Marcio, My paternal grandparents were from Candelaria, Pico. The NEPS site has them back to the 8th generation. I have a Gasper Garcia Sarmento married to Madalena Rodrigues...no dates of birth or marriage given but, birth of first child 26 May, 1670 and giving me a grandfather, Francisco Garcia Sarmento born Aug. 4, 1683. Also have Mateus Sousa and Agueda Rodrigues giving birth to 1st child in 1638. Mateus Luis and Leonor Rodrigues having 1st child Nov.15, 1657. Francisco Ferreira and Maria Rodrigues having 1st child in1685. Amaro Pereira and Isabel Dutra with 1st child, Pascoa born March 30, 1689. Finally, I have a multi greatgrandmother, Monica Sousa born Sept. 28 1653. These are all in Candelaria according to NEPS.have not verified using CCA records but assume that's where NEPS acquired the info. Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:28:42 -0700 From: marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Luzia & Candelaria, Pico Island To: azores@googlegroups.com Does anyone know if exists any other source of information on these parishes besides the church records? The records only start in begining of the 1700s Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group!
Hi Deb, In checking my Sao Mateus ancestors against your names I don't see any direct connection. I have many similar family names including the Gigante but not the same as your line. Nancy Jean From: goodw...@aol.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group! Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:58:58 -0700 To: azores@googlegroups.com Deb, I've found one connection but am not finished yet. Will continue going through the remaining names tomorrow. cousin Gayle On Jul 10, 2012, at 5:49 PM, looking4root...@yahoo.com wrote: No rush, Gayle. ALL of names sound promising to me with so many Marias, Joses, and Joaos. Sent from my iPad On Jul 10, 2012, at 2:27 PM, goodw...@aol.com wrote: Deb, Thank you for the names. Some look promising but I'll need to double check my chart. I've done so much work for other people that merely recognizing names isn't enough to guarantee they're mine. Will get back to you soon. Gayle -Original Message- From: Deb McCabe To: azores Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group! Hi Gayle, I've attached the info about my Pico relatives I promised you. The interesting thing is that they show up on the Feteira link at NEPS, but not in the Pico link. The more current generations were in Feteira, as you will see, but the older ones were in Pico. The documents lists my direct line, but not any of the collateral relatives. It will be interesting to see if any connections pop out when you look at the attachments. Best, Deb When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! From: Gayle Machado To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group! Deb, Choices #2&3 seem best to me. My e-mail is: goodw...@aol.com if you want to communicate with me and compare individually any connections we might share. Look forward to comparing notes however you choose to do it. Gayle On Jul 8, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Deb McCabe wrote: Hi Gayle, It took me a while to get back to you because we had family in town for the holiday. The Sao Mateus relatives in my line come from my parternal great grandmother, Virginia Emilia Bento. Since I'm new to the list, I don't know the protocol. 1) Is it appropriate to cut and past the generations info from the NEPS site here for all of the Azores group to see? 2) Should I send just the web link to the relevant info on NEPS? 3) Should we correspond via e-mail? Happy to do any of the above. Choice #1 sounds like the best way to broadcast my family info, which could result in possible connections to other readers; but I don't want to spam anyone either. Looking forward to corresponding. Deb When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! From: Gayle Machado To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group! Deb, If you've found relatives from Sao Mateus, Pico, I'd be interested to know their names. My grandmother's family came from Candelaria and Sao Mateus. Gayle On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, DBM wrote: Hi all, My name is Deb. I am new to the group. I have been reading posts for a while, but have been reluctant to ask any questions or make comments until I understood more about how to approach genealogy for my Azorean ancestors. Well . . . two days ago, I was following Cheri's advice and re-read the link about how to conduct research. I ran across Kathy Cardoza's offer to look for relatives who might have enrolled in a fraternal organization. This is where the big THANK YOU comes in. I contacted Kathy. In no time at all, she wrote to say she had not found my relative, but to let her know if I had any other questions. Well, I wrote and said, "Should I start with my U.S. relatives if I have a possible fregusia from a Portuguese passport?" Kathy made excellent suggestions and provided a link for Feteira and within minutes I was introduced to an ENTIRE FAMILY just waiting for me to discover them. I wrote to Kathy to tell her the good news, which led to my ordering microfilm and learning how to research another branch from Sao Mateus, Pico. Kathy was so generous with her time and expertise. How lucky I was to receive her help. So, a HUGE THANK YOU to KATHY CARDOZA and an additional thank you to all of the list members who have been helpful,to others and to people like me who are vicariously learning from your advice. Happy 4th of July to you all. Deb Looking in Feteira, Faial for Martins, de Azevedo, de Sao Jose, de Jesus, Inacia, Pereira, de Costa, etc.Looking in Sao Mateus, Pico fo Bento, da Costa, Queimado, de Jesus, Maciel, Viera, Goulart, etc. ,, -- To unsubscribe from this group, send e
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group!
Hi Deb, I also have ancestors from Sao Mateus, Pico who share the same names you mention. Perhaps there's a connection. Happy 4th,Nancy Jean BaptistaFrom: kmacard...@me.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What a great group! Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 06:45:08 -0700 To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Deb Thank YOU for all your kind words! It was my pleasure to be any part of your successful hunt for ancestors. :) Like Gayle Machado, I have a lot of ancestors from Sao Mateus, Pico. You might want to take a look at my family tree to see if we share any ancestors. Once you get there, you can search the Places and drill all the way down to Sao Mateus from Portugal to Azores to Pico, to Sao Mateus. Then click on it and you'll get a list of my people from there. I have the same names as you do for Sao Mateus, so you never know, we might be related! http://www.kathys-place.com/Kathy/index.php Kathy ~~~Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html~~~ On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:57 PM, DBM wrote:Hi all, My name is Deb. I am new to the group. I have been reading posts for a while, but have been reluctant to ask any questions or make comments until I understood more about how to approach genealogy for my Azorean ancestors. Well . . . two days ago, I was following Cheri's advice and re-read the link about how to conduct research. I ran across Kathy Cardoza's offer to look for relatives who might have enrolled in a fraternal organization. This is where the big THANK YOU comes in. I contacted Kathy. In no time at all, she wrote to say she had not found my relative, but to let her know if I had any other questions. Well, I wrote and said, "Should I start with my U.S. relatives if I have a possible fregusia from a Portuguese passport?" Kathy made excellent suggestions and provided a link for Feteira and within minutes I was introduced to an ENTIRE FAMILY just waiting for me to discover them. I wrote to Kathy to tell her the good news, which led to my ordering microfilm and learning how to research another branch from Sao Mateus, Pico. Kathy was so generous with her time and expertise. How lucky I was to receive her help. So, a HUGE THANK YOU to KATHY CARDOZA and an additional thank you to all of the list members who have been helpful,to others and to people like me who are vicariously learning from your advice. Happy 4th of July to you all. Deb Looking in Feteira, Faial for Martins, de Azevedo, de Sao Jose, de Jesus, Inacia, Pereira, de Costa, etc.Looking in Sao Mateus, Pico fo Bento, da Costa, Queimado, de Jesus, Maciel, Viera, Goulart, etc. ,, -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with confirming Nordeste natural - Guimar da Costa last name
Hi Margaret, That's a dificult name to read but the "M" doesn't look right to me to be Morgadinho..perhaps others can clarify it for you.it almost looks like a "C".but ??? Nancy Jean Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:35:49 -0400 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with confirming Nordeste natural - Guimar da Costa last name From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Hello one and all, For a while now I have been tracing my Paternal/Maternal "Melo" line. My Dad always said his ggrandmother was from Agua Retorta and he was right I found them there but the record showed they were naturals of Nordeste which led me to Francisco de Melo, who now ends up being natural of Ribeira Grande and so the quest continues. His full name may be Francisco de Melo Ferras as indicated in one of his children's marriage records. Francisco married 2nd marriage with Antonia do Canto in Nordeste on 05-Jan-1703. Antonia is the daughter of Manuel Furtado Barroso and Guimar da Costa Morgadinho?? Is anyone connected to this line that could confirm Guimar's last name is in fact Morgadinho please, because the record breaks in the middle of it and I'm not certain if it is Morgadinho or if something else. Attached is a copy of Francisco de Melo marriage record to Antonia do Canto my 7ggparents for quick viewing. Thank you. -- Margaret M Vicente -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Sale only on Family Tree DNA
Hi Cheri, After reading your previous explanation I'm thinking about testing my Dad's brotherwe've already done his Y at FTDNA.do you still have my coupon that I forwarded on to you? Thanks,Nancy Jean From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:28:49 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Sale only on Family Tree DNA To: Azores@googlegroups.com OK, one last correction (I hope). The only people who received the Family Finder discount coupon from Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) are people who have already had the Family Finder test run. Which is 90-something people. So if you checked your spam folder and you don't have a coupon, you probably didn't test Family Finder. I believe I've given a coupon out to everyone who has asked for it. If I didn't, please drop me a line at gfscherim at gmail.com and I'll get a coupon to you. Cheri Mello Azores DNA Project FTDNA Admin -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Shirley, I'm sorry for the slow response but the holiday has had me "out of pocket". Thank you so much for your help! I appreciate your confirmation of Joao's record and I especially appreciate your finding Isabel do Rosario's baptism for me. Each time another generation is added I'm thrilled. Thanks again and have a great day, Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:33:48 -0700 I looked at the "obito" for Joao de Sousa Cardoso today. This is how I read it: This is on page 54 right DOD: 13 August 1797, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores Joao de Sousa Cardoso age 63 ate sacraments Buried this Matriz SPOUSE Isabel do Rosario Parochial of Santo Amaro, termo Velas That is the best that I could do. I found the following birth info: DOB 1? June 1731 BAPT 3? June 1731, Velas, Sao Jorge, Azores ((page 15 RightCenter) Isabel (Joam Machado Costa, native N.S. Rosario -Rosais (Sao Jorge) X Mecia da Rosario, native Velas) GODPARENTS Joam Manoel Teixeira de Betancurt & Joanna de Resureicao (Manoel Silveira de Sousa X Maria Camacha) both deceased residents if Beira Hope this helps.Shirley in CA ----- Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Thank you, Shirley, I appreciate your help on this. I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL DO ROSARIO. Thank you for any help, Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700 Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives & baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscr
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you, Shirley, I appreciate your help on this. I've been searching for the children of Joam and Isabel and also for Joam's obit which I found. I could certainly use some help with the record. I think it says he died August 13, 1797 and was 63 years old. I hope someone will confirm that for me. Also, usually there's more information in the record regarding occupation, number of children etc and I can't seem to see any of that. Could someone tell me the other information held in the record? It can be found in VELAS OBITS FOR 1790-1800, PG. #0072, jOAO DE SOUSA CARDOSO MARRIED TO ISABEL DO ROSARIO. Thank you for any help,Nancy Jean From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:10:51 -0700 Hi Nancy: I looked at the Velas film and found the following: #645 Page 100 right DOMarriage: 9 Jan 1753 Joam de Sousa Parents: (Joam Teixeira X Lusia Cardosa) natives & baptised Santa Barbara WIFE: Isabel do Rosario (Joam Machado Costa X Micaella _ Rosario) natives and bapt. Velas Hope this helps. Shirley in CA - Original Message ----- From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:36 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance, Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you, Margaret I appreciate your help more than you can know! Her marriage on June 9, 1800 says she's 26! He was 23.in reality she's marrying 1 day after her 36th birthday.13 years older than Antonio. I had begun looking at the baptisms and found the first sibling, Manuel, Jan. 24, 1754. I can't imagine that people didn't know she was really 36 instead of 26. Now I'll figure out how many children she and Antonio actually had since she started late! I'll also see if there are additional children after Mariana. Again, my thanks for finding my elusive 4th ggrandmother,Nancy Jean Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:38:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, Found your Mariana...she was born 10-Jun-1764 pls. see 1752-1765.0176 also attached here for you. Attached is a copy. Also see siblingsMaria 25-Jan-1756, 1752-1765.0054 Jose 02-Dec-1758, 1752-1765.0099Isabel 03-Jan-1761, 1752-1765.0144 There may be more children after Mariana. Margaret On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Thank you, Margaret, I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights. Luck I'll need Nancy Jean > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > From: margaretvice...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. > Margaret > > On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente wrote: > > Nancy Jean, > > > > It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this > > matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. > > > > Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would > > search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana > > born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel > > Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a > > possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to > > see if Miranda is her family name. > > > > My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao > > Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of > > Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility > > the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, > > married and assumed the child. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Margaret > > > > On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste wrote: > >> > >> Hi Margaret, > >> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's > >> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # > >> 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio > >> Jose > >> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I > >> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and > >> her > >> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. > >> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her > >> anywhere > >> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look > >> at > >> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I > >> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage > >> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to > >> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes > >> finding > >> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her > >> father's > >> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. > >> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with > >> my > >> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao > >> Simoes > >> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo > >> for > >> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for > >> Pico. > >> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never > >> run > >> out
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you, Margaret, I guess I just assumed that since her marriage record gave her parents that they were as stated.I suppose she could have a pai incognito although if her parents married in 1753 and she wasn't born until 1774/75 she should be legitimate. I'm going to spend time searching baptisms in Velas and look at some obits and see what I can find. I appreciate your insights. Luck I'll need Nancy Jean > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:41:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > From: margaretvice...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > correction, Mariana's birth time 1774/1775.. > Margaret > > On 5/11/12, Margaret Vicente wrote: > > Nancy Jean, > > > > It says he parents are parishoners of this church and naturals of this > > matrix of Velas island of S. Jorge. > > > > Also since her parents marriage record you found is in Velas, I would > > search birth records as of the marriage date. I did find a Mariana > > born within your Mariana Clara's 26 age (1975/1976) Mother Isabel > > Miranda and of incognito father. Which should not be discarded as a > > possibility. This would prompt me to trace Isabel's birth record to > > see if Miranda is her family name. > > > > My gggm born in Sao Jorge, Calheta of Incognito father married in Sao > > Miguel, with the marriage record stating she was the daughter of > > Antonio Jose de Miranda of Graciosa, NS da Luz. Thus the possibility > > the father was incognito at time of birth and then perhaps reconciled, > > married and assumed the child. > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Margaret > > > > On 5/10/12, nancy jean baptiste wrote: > >> > >> Hi Margaret, > >> I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's > >> very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # > >> 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio > >> Jose > >> de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I > >> believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and > >> her > >> parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. > >> I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her > >> anywhere > >> in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look > >> at > >> the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I > >> can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage > >> certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to > >> investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes > >> finding > >> her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her > >> father's > >> obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. > >> This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with > >> my > >> Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao > >> Simoes > >> Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo > >> for > >> the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for > >> Pico. > >> The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never > >> run > >> out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I > >> can > >> I'll have a passion to pursue! > >> My best to you,Nancy Jean > >> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > >> From: margaretvice...@gmail.com > >> To: azores@googlegroups.com > >> > >> Nancy Jean, > >> What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say > >> which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would > >> like. > >> Margaret > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I > >> spent > >> time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! > >> I'm > >> happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I > >> had! > >> > >> Again, than
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Margaret, I'd appreciate any information that you can glean from the recordit's very difficult to read. Velas marriages, 1788-1806, page # 72. Record # 1355. June 4, 1800, Antonio Jose de Sousa Pereira, 23 yrs with Marianna Clara do Espirito Santo, 26yrs. I believe his parents are Manoel Pereira de Sousa and Isabel de Jesus and her parents are given as Joao de Sousa Cardosa and Isabel do Rosario. I thought Marianna would be easy to find but I just can't find her anywhere in Velas baptism's for the 1770's or in Santo Amaro. Tomorrow I'll look at the 1760's for Velas now that I know her parents married in 1753..I can't imagine she would be that far off on her age on her marriage certificate though but you never know and I have no other idea to investigate although having found her parents marriage record makes finding her baptism a bit less imperative. I'll also start looking for her father's obit since her marriage says he was dead by 1800 and for her siblings. This is my Mom's line and I've had much more difficulty with it than with my Dad's. With him I had help because our Baptista line was in both Joao Simoes Lopes Filho's and Marcio Borba's data bases and the records are in Topo for the most part and his mothers de Castro Cardoso line is all in NEPS for Pico. The most comforting thing about this research is that I know I'll never run out of the need to search for someonenice to know that as long as I can I'll have a passion to pursue! My best to you,Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, What is the record number for Mariana's marriage record? It should say which freguesia/town she's from...I could take a look it if you would like. Margaret On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie > > Hi Gayle, > Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this > record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the > date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my > 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record > in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day > looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find > herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look > for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. > I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at > least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very > surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's > marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa > Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their > mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That > puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but > I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your > information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's > birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't > find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I > know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the > ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth > records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or > Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give > insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never > seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo > Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! > On another note, I rem
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Thank you Rosemarie and Margaret for confirming the Teixeira name. I spent time searching for Marianna's birth with no luckelusive ancestors! I'm happy though because this record gives me on generation beyond what I had! Again, thanks,Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:13:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, If I may, I would like the point out the surname is TEIXEIRA. Simply because there are lower and upper letters interjecting with the T rendering it like the letter P, illusive. best, Margaret On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM, wrote: Nancy Jane, My first thought was that the father's name was Teixeira. Rosemarie > > Hi Gayle, > Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this > record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the > date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my > 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record > in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day > looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find > herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look > for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. > I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at > least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very > surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's > marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa > Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their > mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That > puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but > I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your > information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's > birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't > find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I > know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the > ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth > records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or > Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give > insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never > seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo > Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! > On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the > conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, > also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. > Thanks again,Nancy Jean > >> From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu >> To: azores@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! >> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + >> >> Nancy, >> >> I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me >> down: >> 9 Jan 1753 for the date. >> Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of >> Sto. Amaro >> and >> Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do >> Rosario of this matrix. >> >> Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado >> (Rocha) Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. >> >> Gayle >> >> From: nancy jean baptiste >> mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> >> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 >> To: azores group >> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> >> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! >> >> Greetings Group, >> >> I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm >> having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and >> Isabel do Rosario >> >> Thank you in advance, >> Nancy Jean >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. >> For more options, such
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Hi Gayle, Thank you for the insights. I was at such a loss to comprehend this record. This priest's handwriting is just awful. Your confirmation of the date opens up further mystery since I was looking for the marriage of my 4th ggrandmother, Marianna Clara's parents. On Mariana's marriage record in June 9, 1800 her age is given as 26 years old and I spent a whole day looking at all the baptisms in Velas for 1770"s and never could find herso I thought maybe if I could find her parents marriage and look for other siblings I could find her along the way or perhaps other clues. I started with 1750 on a whim thinking that I'd be too far back but at least I wouldn't miss it by not going far enough back. I was very surprised to find them in 1753 but I'm sure it's them. On Marianna's marriage to Antonio Pereira her parents are given as Joam de Sousa Cardoso/a? and Isabel do Rosario and since men sometimes take their mother's name as well as their father's I think that's what he did. That puts their marriage 21 years before Marianna's presumed birth date but I've seen that with my Pereira family so I know it's possible. With your information I'm wondering if I should look in Santo Amaro for Marianna's birth instead of Velasmaybe they moved there and that's why I couldn't find her anywhere in Velas in the 1770's. Thanks for your helpnow I know Isabel's parents names. I wish the records from these times gave the ages of the couple since it's a valuable clue when looking for birth records! Also, I couldn't tell if Joam was the son Of Joam Teixeira or Pereira and now Peixeiro? is in the mix. Perhaps someone else will give insight into that surname. I have Peixodo's in my record but I've never seen Peixeiro before. I'll spend tomorrow looking for Marianna in Santo Amaro baptisms for 1770's and hope I have more luck! On another note, I remember we're cousins from Candelaria and while at the conference in SLC I discovered 2 more cousins...sister who were there, also with Candelaria ancestors...perhaps they match with you as well. Thanks again,Nancy Jean > From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:15:33 + > > Nancy, > > I'm going to take a wild stab at the basics and let others shoot me down: > 9 Jan 1753 for the date. > Joam de Sousa, son of Joam (Peixeiro ) and Luzia Cardoza, natural of Sto. > Amaro > and > Isabel do Rosario, daughter of Joam Machado Costa and (Micaela) do Rosario of > this matrix. > > Among the signatures at the end of the record it shows a Joam Machado (Rocha) > Costa along with Vital Pereira Fagundes. > > Gayle > > From: nancy jean baptiste > mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com>> > Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:36:00 -0500 > To: azores group mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help! > > Greetings Group, > > I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a > very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and > Isabel do Rosario > > Thank you in advance, > Nancy Jean > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Please! Translation help!
Greetings Group, I have found my 5th ggrandparents marriage record in Velas.I'm having a very hard time translating his writing and all help would be greatly appreciated. Velas, Sao Jorge...marriages for 1734-1772 page 0102, Joam de Sousa and Isabel do Rosario Thank you in advance,Nancy Jean -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Trip
Hi E, I've been looking forward to meeting you at the conference and thanking you in person for helping me find my great grandfather, Antonio Baptista, those many years ago! You opened up so many doors into my ancestry with that one discovery! But, I'll hope we meet next time..until then, I hope you see an improvement in your sister's health. Nancy Jean Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 07:23:07 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Salt Lake City Trip From: bellema...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Hi All, Unfortunately, we will not be joining the rest of the group going to SLC. We waited until the last minute to make this decision hoping things would change for the better. My sis (almost 90) is not doing well and my nieces think it best if we plan a trip South to see her as she always seems to rally when we visit with her and we are hoping it is so this time. Luckily, as usual, we booked with Southwest and they will give us a credit on our SLC airfare for future use and hotel told me earlier I can cancel with no problem. Have lots and lots of fun digging and prodding for your ancestors and I am sure you will enjoy Salt Lake City and the people who are so friendly there, not to mention the wonderful people from this group. Have a Blessed Easter. "E" and Will -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. John the Baptist in New Bedford
Nancy, Although I've only been in St. John's a few times I was sad to read that it's closing. I have 3 sets of great grandparents married there as well as grandparents, aunts and my parents were married there on a rainy day in 1948. Many family baptisms including my own and lots of ancestors in the cemetery. Thanks for the link. Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:19:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. John the Baptist in New Bedford From: khuffl...@charter.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Thank you for sharing. My family was from that area. Karen On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Nancy Couto wrote: Some of you may be interested in this article. http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120313/NEWS/203130320 Nancy -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Hugs and Blessings from Karen (Medeiros) Huffman in Paso Robles, CA USA Searching for Medeiros and Cabral in Sao Miguel, Santos, Silva and Costa in Terceira Acores. Searching for Anderson and Swanson in Sweden and Schaeffer and Schommer in Germany. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help needed reading names on marraige doc.
Hi Sherry, Please send the original page # so I can look at the record and magnify as needed. Nancy Jean From: carab...@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:33:45 -0500 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help needed reading names on marraige doc. To: Azores@googlegroups.com I found my ggg-grandparents marriage record today from 1835. I was so excited until I couldn't read some of the names. I was wondering if some of the wonderful people on this list could help me out with the names that I can't read. I have attached the part of the marriage record where it lists the groom & his parents, then the bride & her parents and I also attached the whole document in case that will help with the reading the writing. What I think I see is: Francisco Jose Pacheco, son of Joao Jacinto Pacheco & Maria __. Victoria Querbina, daughter of Jose da Ponta _ & Roza Jacinta. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Sherry Barnhurst -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
Right, from that perspective it's a moot pointI've just been so intrigued with the origins of the migration of my DNAhave my Mom's in Sardinia/Corsica 15,000 years ago, my Dad's in the Berber tribes of Northern Africa 7000 years ago and at this point the only other one I have is my Dad's mother who was a U5 and represents the most ancient haplogroup in Europe predating agriculture and originating around 50,000 years ago in the near east...I wish I could have a total dna library of my ancestors but..alas, not possible! Nancy Jean Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:11:13 -0500 From: spach...@umassd.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions It could :) but I don't know if we'd ever go to that trouble--it's not something we're overly concerned with as the medical issues are well treated From: "nancy jean baptiste" To: "azores group" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:48:06 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions Sonia, I wonder if the family finder test could illuminate the possibility for you? Nancy Jean Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:20:38 -0500 From: spach...@umassd.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions It's also interesting to note that there was active movement between Brazil & Portugal as soon as the Portuguese colonized it. It wasn't just a matter of folks leaving and then never returning. And much like there are stories in the US of African-Americans "passing" for "white", the same can be said for Brazilian-Portuguese. In my maternal line, my grandfather's grandmother supposedly arrived from Brazil either pregnant, or she became pregnant, shortly thereafter, this story in combination with some medical issues that my mother and I have that are normally attributed to African populations, makes us think that somewhere along the line there was some African DNA From: "nancy jean baptiste" To: "azores group" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:01:08 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions Thanks Manoel, I'm glad to have an idea of those dates and would love to read any books that anyone might know of regarding the subject. My most distant ancestor behind my father is 10 generations behind him.Paulo Brasil, 1586 born in Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. I need to look at his record in the CCA site again since I don't have the hard copy to see if he was a pai incognitoguess I'll wait til it's back up and see what I can discover. I've only searched Sao Jorge CCA records but don't remember seeing any "esravco or prostituta's" but I certainly could have missed them since my Portuguese leaves something to be desired! Thanks for the words Nancy Jean > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:25:54 -0200 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > From: man...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Hi Nancy, > > The algerian pirates raided the Azores islands mostly during the > spanish rule, 1580-1640. > > Manoel > > > 2012/2/21 nancy jean baptiste : > > Hi Rick, > > > > E1b1b2a is my fathers YDNA. While it is from Africa it originated in the > > Berber tribes of Algeria and Morocco around 7000 years ago. So North Africa > > and Berber/Moor. Very different features from South Africa but also held as > > slaves by the Portuguese. My Dad's paternal line is from the Topo area of > > Sao Jorge and I've always wondered if his DNA is the result of raids by > > Algerian pirates who I've read were active raiders in the Azores. However, > > I've had difficulty finding information regarding the years of the raids and > > areas they attacked although our neighbors on Pico said that they built > > homes up in Terra Alta rather than down in Baia do Canto because it was > > safer from the pirate raids in days of old. I do have a few ancestors from > > Norte Grande but they're on my Mom's side. > > > > Also, what are the portuguese words in the records for "slave" and > > "prostitute"? > > > > Thanks, > > Nancy Jean > > > > > > From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net > > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:49:25 -0600 > > > > > > In answer your question on DNA. The Y-DNA test will only provide data for > > the direct male line that is your father, his father, his Grandfather and so > > on. So The Y-DNA will only show a small spectrum of a pe
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
Sonia, I wonder if the family finder test could illuminate the possibility for you? Nancy Jean Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:20:38 -0500 From: spach...@umassd.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions It's also interesting to note that there was active movement between Brazil & Portugal as soon as the Portuguese colonized it. It wasn't just a matter of folks leaving and then never returning. And much like there are stories in the US of African-Americans "passing" for "white", the same can be said for Brazilian-Portuguese. In my maternal line, my grandfather's grandmother supposedly arrived from Brazil either pregnant, or she became pregnant, shortly thereafter, this story in combination with some medical issues that my mother and I have that are normally attributed to African populations, makes us think that somewhere along the line there was some African DNA From: "nancy jean baptiste" To: "azores group" Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:01:08 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions Thanks Manoel, I'm glad to have an idea of those dates and would love to read any books that anyone might know of regarding the subject. My most distant ancestor behind my father is 10 generations behind him.Paulo Brasil, 1586 born in Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. I need to look at his record in the CCA site again since I don't have the hard copy to see if he was a pai incognitoguess I'll wait til it's back up and see what I can discover. I've only searched Sao Jorge CCA records but don't remember seeing any "esravco or prostituta's" but I certainly could have missed them since my Portuguese leaves something to be desired! Thanks for the words Nancy Jean > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:25:54 -0200 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > From: man...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Hi Nancy, > > The algerian pirates raided the Azores islands mostly during the > spanish rule, 1580-1640. > > Manoel > > > 2012/2/21 nancy jean baptiste : > > Hi Rick, > > > > E1b1b2a is my fathers YDNA. While it is from Africa it originated in the > > Berber tribes of Algeria and Morocco around 7000 years ago. So North Africa > > and Berber/Moor. Very different features from South Africa but also held as > > slaves by the Portuguese. My Dad's paternal line is from the Topo area of > > Sao Jorge and I've always wondered if his DNA is the result of raids by > > Algerian pirates who I've read were active raiders in the Azores. However, > > I've had difficulty finding information regarding the years of the raids and > > areas they attacked although our neighbors on Pico said that they built > > homes up in Terra Alta rather than down in Baia do Canto because it was > > safer from the pirate raids in days of old. I do have a few ancestors from > > Norte Grande but they're on my Mom's side. > > > > Also, what are the portuguese words in the records for "slave" and > > "prostitute"? > > > > Thanks, > > Nancy Jean > > > > > > From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net > > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:49:25 -0600 > > > > > > In answer your question on DNA. The Y-DNA test will only provide data for > > the direct male line that is your father, his father, his Grandfather and so > > on. So The Y-DNA will only show a small spectrum of a person’s DNA. If the > > Y-DNA Halplogroup falls into certain groups (E1b1b or A or B. and to some > > extent J1 & J2) that would indicate an African origin but that could be > > anthropological (I am talking Fred Flintstone). > > > > > > > > The same would apply to MtDNA. My dad’s MtDNA is L2 which is African origin. > > This could be anthropological (Wilma Flintstone) in nature also. But MtDNA > > only shows a small spectrum which is the maternal line. > > > > > > > > A better picture of recent African origin would be the family finder test. > > This will show results which go back 5-6 generations and will show a > > combination of all ancestors in that range. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator > > Azores DNA Project > > > > > > > > Spring, Texas > > > > > > > > Researching Sao Miguel Azores, Riberinha, Riberia Grande, Bretanha, Achada > > Grande, Ponta Delgada.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
Thanks Manoel, I'm glad to have an idea of those dates and would love to read any books that anyone might know of regarding the subject. My most distant ancestor behind my father is 10 generations behind him.Paulo Brasil, 1586 born in Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. I need to look at his record in the CCA site again since I don't have the hard copy to see if he was a pai incognitoguess I'll wait til it's back up and see what I can discover. I've only searched Sao Jorge CCA records but don't remember seeing any "esravco or prostituta's" but I certainly could have missed them since my Portuguese leaves something to be desired! Thanks for the words Nancy Jean > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:25:54 -0200 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > From: man...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Hi Nancy, > > The algerian pirates raided the Azores islands mostly during the > spanish rule, 1580-1640. > > Manoel > > > 2012/2/21 nancy jean baptiste : > > Hi Rick, > > > > E1b1b2a is my fathers YDNA. While it is from Africa it originated in the > > Berber tribes of Algeria and Morocco around 7000 years ago. So North Africa > > and Berber/Moor. Very different features from South Africa but also held as > > slaves by the Portuguese. My Dad's paternal line is from the Topo area of > > Sao Jorge and I've always wondered if his DNA is the result of raids by > > Algerian pirates who I've read were active raiders in the Azores. However, > > I've had difficulty finding information regarding the years of the raids and > > areas they attacked although our neighbors on Pico said that they built > > homes up in Terra Alta rather than down in Baia do Canto because it was > > safer from the pirate raids in days of old. I do have a few ancestors from > > Norte Grande but they're on my Mom's side. > > > > Also, what are the portuguese words in the records for "slave" and > > "prostitute"? > > > > Thanks, > > Nancy Jean > > > > > > From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net > > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:49:25 -0600 > > > > > > In answer your question on DNA. The Y-DNA test will only provide data for > > the direct male line that is your father, his father, his Grandfather and so > > on. So The Y-DNA will only show a small spectrum of a person’s DNA. If the > > Y-DNA Halplogroup falls into certain groups (E1b1b or A or B. and to some > > extent J1 & J2) that would indicate an African origin but that could be > > anthropological (I am talking Fred Flintstone). > > > > > > > > The same would apply to MtDNA. My dad’s MtDNA is L2 which is African origin. > > This could be anthropological (Wilma Flintstone) in nature also. But MtDNA > > only shows a small spectrum which is the maternal line. > > > > > > > > A better picture of recent African origin would be the family finder test. > > This will show results which go back 5-6 generations and will show a > > combination of all ancestors in that range. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator > > Azores DNA Project > > > > > > > > Spring, Texas > > > > > > > > Researching Sao Miguel Azores, Riberinha, Riberia Grande, Bretanha, Achada > > Grande, Ponta Delgada. > > > > > > > > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Mary Bordi > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:22 PM > > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:16 AM, joao ventura wrote: > > > > > > > > The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former > > slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. > > > > > > > > If any of those on the list who know about DNA are reading this-- > > > > > > > > Would this show up in the Y DNA test of his descendants? > > > > > > > > I have only been able to trace my maternal mtDNA in Norte Grande but I was > > curious if it would show up for those who were able to test the male line. > > > > > > > > There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is > > like two different villages, who share a co
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions
Hi Rick, E1b1b2a is my fathers YDNA. While it is from Africa it originated in the Berber tribes of Algeria and Morocco around 7000 years ago. So North Africa and Berber/Moor. Very different features from South Africa but also held as slaves by the Portuguese. My Dad's paternal line is from the Topo area of Sao Jorge and I've always wondered if his DNA is the result of raids by Algerian pirates who I've read were active raiders in the Azores. However, I've had difficulty finding information regarding the years of the raids and areas they attacked although our neighbors on Pico said that they built homes up in Terra Alta rather than down in Baia do Canto because it was safer from the pirate raids in days of old. I do have a few ancestors from Norte Grande but they're on my Mom's side. Also, what are the portuguese words in the records for "slave" and "prostitute"? Thanks,Nancy Jean From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 07:49:25 -0600 In answer your question on DNA. The Y-DNA test will only provide data for the direct male line that is your father, his father, his Grandfather and so on. So The Y-DNA will only show a small spectrum of a person’s DNA. If the Y-DNA Halplogroup falls into certain groups (E1b1b or A or B. and to some extent J1 & J2) that would indicate an African origin but that could be anthropological (I am talking Fred Flintstone). The same would apply to MtDNA. My dad’s MtDNA is L2 which is African origin. This could be anthropological (Wilma Flintstone) in nature also. But MtDNA only shows a small spectrum which is the maternal line. A better picture of recent African origin would be the family finder test. This will show results which go back 5-6 generations and will show a combination of all ancestors in that range. RickFamily Tree DNA Co-Administrator Azores DNA Project Spring, Texas Researching Sao Miguel Azores, Riberinha, Riberia Grande, Bretanha, Achada Grande, Ponta Delgada. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:22 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norte Grande - impressions On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:16 AM, joao ventura wrote: The number of slaves is not significant, but there are two brothers, former slaves, that became free and one of them has descendants until today. If any of those on the list who know about DNA are reading this-- Would this show up in the Y DNA test of his descendants? I have only been able to trace my maternal mtDNA in Norte Grande but I was curious if it would show up for those who were able to test the male line. There are two independent communities: Norte Grande and Santo António. It is like two different villages, who share a common church. The richer people live in Norte Grande, while the poor live in Santo António. People from one place don't usually marry someone from the other. That was certainly true of my family. I had come to that conclusion, so it's interesting that it's really true. I know some people who came from Santo Antonio and was joking with them that we might be cousins. But probably not... Mary-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade from Santa Maria 1771 & earlier
Hi Jesse, I have several Andrade's in my line from both Assumcao and Santo Espirito Santa Maria. I have marriage dates for Baltazar Velho de Andrade married 1657 Maria Andrade de Alpoim with whom there were no children and 2nd to Catarina Velho Melo. Vila do Porto I have a Matias Andrade marrying a Francisca Andrade in Assumcao unfortunately no date but they are between the above and below mentioned couples. Isabel Andrade married Francisco Velho Dias Feb. 8 1708...they were both from Assumcao, Vila do Porto Finally, Valerio de Andrade was born in Espirito Santo and married Barbara Laurencia from Assumcao, unfortunetly the researcher did not supply me with dates and I am unable to check since these aren't on the CCA site and I live no where near a FHC...I do know their daughter, Umbelina Magdelana, married Antonio Cabral in 1812they are my 9th ggrandparents..they married in Santo Espirito I don't find the "Merces" in my line. There are however, many Moreira's. Perhaps a connection somehow, Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:46:55 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Andrade from Santa Maria 1771 & earlier From: deni...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Jesse: "Assuncao, Porto, Santa Maria" undoubtedly refers to the Church of Nossa Senhora da Assunção in Vila do Porto, Santa Maria. Thus, your Francisco d'Andrade was most likely born in the Parish of the Mother Church. I don't know of any on this list who have accumulated records from Vila do Porto. These records are however available on microfilm through the Family History Centers of the Church of the Latter Day Saints. Five reels contain the records of Vila do Porto 1599-1892. Francisco's baptism would probably be found on reel #1388405 or 406. Since the baptisms are recorded sequentially, you should be able to locate his time frame without too much effort (??). My wife and I have thus far confined our efforts to Santa Maria's northeastern parish, Santa Bárbara. We do know of at least one person on this list researching the Parish of Santo Espírito. She perhaps will respond when she sees your reference to Francisco's parents. I do not find the village of Candeias within Santo Espírito Parish, however this has no bearing on locating his baptismal record. Denis On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Jesse Pacheco wrote: I have a Francisco d'Andrade in my tree who was born in about 1771 in Assuncao, Porto, Santa Maria. His parents were Miguel dos Merces who was from Candeias, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria, and Roza Margarida. Francisco had moved to Sao Miguel by 20 Aug 1796 when he married his first of three wives (I believe they were all originally from Sao Miguel). He died in 1839. -- Jesse Pacheco pacheco.jess...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge family names
Hi Larry, My Sao Jorge lines carry several of these names.I have Manuel de Avila Texeira, also have Teixeira Baptista for many generations, many, many da Silveira's, da Sousa Baptista's and da Sousa Pereira's. Most of these are from Velas, Beira, Rosaias, and Topo. Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:54:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge family names From: dolores.co...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Guida, I wouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) to find out that we are genetically connected. Thanks and take care, Dolores On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Guida Leicester wrote: Some of those names match with some of my São Jorge relatives as well. I'll see what I can find in my line.Guida Leicester From: "kmh4...@aol.com" To: "azores@googlegroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge family names Larry, I will check. I believe I have some of those names in my DA SOUSA relatives. Karen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:28 PM, soccerdad wrote: > Hello, > I am researching any connection regarding our family names from Sao > Jorge: > Anna Silveira B:5-1859 Parents1. Joaquin Jose Teixeira. Isabel > Silveira De Encaracao > Isabel Silveira De Encaracao Parents 1. Raymond Jose Azevedo 2. > Beatrice Rosa. Other family names related to this group are D'Avila > and Jose Raulino Azevedo Beatrice Rosa > > Antone/Antonio Enos Avila B :11-1855 Parents Frank Enos and Anna > Isabel Vargas. > > Anna Silveira and Antone are my g-grandparents they came to US/ > California in late 1800's Antone took name of Avila when arrived here. > I have most of my family tree that is available on line but get stuck > going backwards to the Azores. > > Thanks, > Larry > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal
Feliz Natal and Merry Christmas to all of you, my extended Azorean family. My best wishes for a New Year filled with joy and fine health! Nancy Jean Baptista From: lagoe...@hotmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:14:06 + A Holy and Blessed Christmas to all the listers and a new Year filled with genealogical successes. Thank you so much Cheri for the great job. Hermano From: mori...@cts.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:21:04 -0800 Merry Christmas everyone and best wishes for a wonderful New Year filled with an abundance of genealogical successes! Cheri, thank you for all you do! Michelle - Original Message - From: Cheri Mello To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 7:01 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to everyone on this list! For those who would like to send their Christmas greetings to the list, please hit reply to this message (so everything stays "threaded" together) and type away. Please don't send your greetings after 11:59 pm on Dec. 25th. Thanks! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with planning a trip to Lisbon and Azores
There's a ferry around 9 in the morning and also a returning one later in the dayseems like it was 8 or so ...the schedule is usually on line at Transmacor. The trip from Pico to Sao Jorge is short since it's only 11 miles or so between islands...maybe 40 minutes, maybe less! During the busy months the ferry makes more trips. I haven't been in May but it is considered "the season". day trips to fayal are a nice adventure as well and the ferry trip isn't long either. Over and back to both of those islands is easy in one day! Nancy Jean From: beso...@succeed.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with planning a trip to Lisbon and Azores Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:39:56 -0800 Hello Vivian, Maybe someone else can chime in here on the ferry trip from Pico to Sao Jorge and the amount of time it takes to get back and forth, etc. Originally we were going to do the same from Terceira to Sao Jorge and it would have taken hours for the ferry trip. Hours that we wanted to spend on the island not on a ferry, so we chose the 20-30 minute flight instead. You may end up having to spend the night in Pico and returning the next day depending on if there’s only one ferry trip or flight to Sao Jorge and back. There may not even be daily ferry trips, it could be every two or three days or weekly. Keep in mind, you may not be able to pre-plan the flight or ferry ride until you arrive in Pico or Sao Jorge depending on which island you arrive at first. Personally, I’d recommend not going to Lisbon on this trip and take advantage of your time in the Azores (since you’re talking one day in Lisbon). For the money it will cost you and when you might arrive, you may only get a few hours, if any, before your next flight out to the Azores. Vivian, “time” in the way of life in the Azores is much different than here – slower pace….or like, “Oh well, if it doesn’t’ happen today, it can happen tomorrow.” Not that it’s a bad thing. J Spending time flying from Lisbon to Pico, etc. might be better spent 7 days divided between Pico and Sao Jorge – the money you’d spend on flights from Lisbon to Pico can be used flying between Pico and Sao Jorge (much less actually – I think we spent $100 round-trip). This would allow you maybe 5 days in Pico and 2 in Sao Jorge. We spent two weeks between two islands (Terceira & Sao Jorge) and were busy the entire time! Sure I would have loved to visit other islands that I too had family from, but we didn’t want to overdue our trip and not have some relaxation and time to enjoy the islands and people. Here’s my recommendation for where to stay in Sao Jorge: Quinta de Sao Pedro Sonia and her family own the Quinta. Sonia’s sister, Joanna I believe is her name, operates the Quinta when Sonia is back working in Lisbon. Quinta de Sao Pedro is what I would call a Bed and Breakfast. We stayed in the room called, Casa Ma and it faced the ocean – what a beautiful way to start your morning looking out at the ocean from your bed. A delicious breakfast is included and you have your choice of sitting indoors or out on the balcony for your meal. As you can see from Trip Advisor Qunita de Sao Pedro is #1 on their site. Here’s the link to their site: Quinta de Sao Pedro. Depending on where you’re wanting to visit in Sao Jorge, I have the name and address of a lady who has ALL THE VILLAGE RECORDS transcribed before they were taken to the mainland. In addition, she’s adding to the records as we, descendants of Sao Jorge families, are coming back to the island, she’s updating where our relatives went after leaving Sao Jorge and who we are that have come to visit. A treasured task I must say! She even told me of my family buried in the cemetery next door to her home and the family home our family owned many years ago (that my former boyfriend’s family (we dated 22 years ago) now owns….can you believe this? She happens to be related to his family who live in Modesto, California. All I can say is it’s truly a small world!) You don’t need a travel agent. You can schedule your flights direct through SATA. This site indicates travel to Pico is WEEKLY from Lisbon whereas some of the other islands are daily. At the Fly TAP link via this site, flights are from Lisbon to Pico once per week Saturday’s only at $340 but on the SATA site it appears daily starting at $255 BUT the BAD news is, none are direct flights. The shortest is 5 hours and 40 minutes with two stops prior to Pico, so basically your probably looking the same as TAP with one per week since some of the flights say so many hours and one day! Here’s the international # to call SATA (+351) 296 209 720 Or email to: contac...@sata.pt Personally, I’d call using SKYPE. It’s less expensive calling with SKYPE for international calls or using a calling card. Definitely, not using your cell phone (this will become extremely pric
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with planning a trip to Lisbon and Azores
Hi Vivian, May will be pretty in Pico. I know a very good guide/taxi driver who speaks fabulous english and portuguese bothhe's from Pico but lived in RI for many years and has been back in Pico for about 15 years. He knows the island's every nook and cranny and is extremely helpful in whatever way you need. His name is Fernando Sousa and I'm happy to give you his contact info if you'd like. Day trips to Sao Jorge are FUN! I like to buy my tickets online at Transmacor ahead of time but in May there shouldn't be crowd problems. There are beautiful adegas to stay in.we like either Adegas do Pico which has several to choose from also, Casa da Terra Alta both have online sitesAdega do Canto is lovely too and can be found under Casa's Goulart. Let me know if you'd like info regarding any of this Pico info, Nancy Jean Baptista (Cardosa/o, da Silva, Peixoto, de Castro and others from Candelaria, Pico) From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:46:06 -0900 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with planning a trip to Lisbon and Azores To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Vivian, Old Pico records are in the archives in Horta, Faial. The 1900s records should be at the Civil Registry. Pico has 3. Each freguesia belongs to a Civil Registry. You go to the corresponding Civil Registry. I had the name of an agent. Give me a couple of days to hunt down the info. I don't think Con Ginny Al is around anymore, but I could be mistaken. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What time of the year is best to go to the Azores
I looked online today for tickets in Feb and they appeared to be selling them! About 900 for round trip Feb and return in April. Cheaper than prime summer rates. There are festa's all summer long beginning in May with Santo Cristo Festa. The summer months it seems like every village has something going on and each weekend you can go eat, drink and hear musicsometimes even chamarita.lots of parades and folkloric dancing and costuming. We've been June, July, August and Sept.each month has it's own appeal. I love August because the fruits are ripening and the trees are heavy with figs. This year we were there for the grape harvest and wine making and that was high on my list of things not to miss in the future! My experience is pretty limited to Pico although we enjoy Semana do Mar in Fayal as well as San Joaoquinas which is HUGE! Swimming is nice in the summer months but I'm told that even in early fall the water is warm. In my opinion each month would hold it's own charm.I long to be on Pico right now to see the huge waves they're havingI can only imagine the sight and sound! Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:42:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What time of the year is best to go to the Azores From: al...@aldasplace.ca To: azores@googlegroups.com I went in June and had a great time..If you are into festas its best to check the schedules of when they occur and the towns...If you are you to play tourist then anytime between June and August weather wise is best. Next year I am going to Pico to relax but I do believe that there will be festas at around that time. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:14 AM, "E" Sharp wrote: Since I have a lot of family in Lisbon, we went back and forth to the Azores a couple of years ago. No problem. Actually, we started out in London and then to Lisbon and then to the Azores. I think in May in Sao Miguel there is a big festa, can't remember which one. I know we missed it by a couple of days when we were there and I was so sorry afterwards but my family in Lisbon had planned a big party for us so had to be there on a certain date. You might want to check Festas in Pico as that seems to be where you will be spending most of your time. I made all of my reservations online on SATA site. I recently read there are going to be some changes with travel to the Azores in the future but don't know if/when it will happen. "E" PS: You will love it!! and the people!! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- www.aldasplace.ca Alda B. owner/operator -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel
Hi John, I've met Joao. We spent a lovely afternoon with him several years ago. I had gone to the Escola de Artesanato near our adega in Santo Amaro, Pico and he was in there visiting with the women who own the school. My Portuguese is limited and the women and I always had difficulty conversing. One of them asked him to translate for us. That led to the most delightful afternoon! He told me I looked like a "woman of Pico" (he said the eyes)! and asked about my family names. I told him my Pico names of de Castro and Cardosa and that started him with the story of my Cardosa's were probably of Jewish descent and how they had become "crypto jews". Needless to say I wanted to know more so he came and spent the afternoon with us. What a wealth of knowledge. I have a paper he wrote out for me with the names of all of his books and his address etc. I wish I had had a tape recorder that day because it was like being in class! Subsequently I found one of his books in the airport gift shop in Lajes. I have some very nice pictures of him we took that day. It was a memorable experience! I think he was on Pico to visit a brother of his. I haven't seen him the last couple of years and hope he's well. Best regards,Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 03:24:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel From: gfsjo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Yes indeed Nancy On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:30 AM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Hi John, I'm wondering if this cousin of yours is the same Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira whom has published numerous books including "O Homem e o Mar"? Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:34:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel From: gfsjo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A cousin of mine, Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira, retired curator of the museum in Santa Cruz , Flores, once told me that the Vasconcelos and Pimentel families were "New Christians". He did not elaboate, that is, he didn't say if "ALL" Vasconcelos and Pimentels were New Christians or just those in our family. Possibly a family legend, but I'm offering this for what it's worth. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: The name is not necessarily a Jewish name. In tracing my line to Achada Grande I found no indication there is a New Christian in the records I have looked at which go back to the year 1700. Because you find some people using a surname that is Jewish does now mean the name is Jewish in origin. During the persecution many Jewish people adopted other names in attempts to hide their heritage. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel Is that a Jewish name? I did find years ago which I can’t find now a breakdown of names and their decent. I think it was areas of the island (Sao Miguel) that they settled in, but were from that particular religion or country that they descended from; i.e., Vila Franca (France). Does anyone have information on that? Linda Borges Furtado Norton *** This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any copying, distribution, dissemination, or use of the information in this communication in any way is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this message to notify the sender and delete the original message from your e-mail account. For intended recipients, please safeguard any personal information included in this transmission. State laws may require you to take specific measures to secure personal information and notify individuals affected by any security breach of your physical and/or electronic files. Thank You. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to L
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel
Hi John, I'm wondering if this cousin of yours is the same Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira whom has published numerous books including "O Homem e o Mar"? Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:34:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel From: gfsjo...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com A cousin of mine, Joao Antonio Gomes Vieira, retired curator of the museum in Santa Cruz , Flores, once told me that the Vasconcelos and Pimentel families were "New Christians". He did not elaboate, that is, he didn't say if "ALL" Vasconcelos and Pimentels were New Christians or just those in our family. Possibly a family legend, but I'm offering this for what it's worth. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: The name is not necessarily a Jewish name. In tracing my line to Achada Grande I found no indication there is a New Christian in the records I have looked at which go back to the year 1700. Because you find some people using a surname that is Jewish does now mean the name is Jewish in origin. During the persecution many Jewish people adopted other names in attempts to hide their heritage. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Pimentel Is that a Jewish name? I did find years ago which I can’t find now a breakdown of names and their decent. I think it was areas of the island (Sao Miguel) that they settled in, but were from that particular religion or country that they descended from; i.e., Vila Franca (France). Does anyone have information on that?Linda Borges Furtado Norton *** This e-mail message and any attachment(s) are confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any copying, distribution, dissemination, or use of the information in this communication in any way is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this message to notify the sender and delete the original message from your e-mail account. For intended recipients, please safeguard any personal information included in this transmission. State laws may require you to take specific measures to secure personal information and notify individuals affected by any security breach of your physical and/or electronic files. Thank You. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] introduction myself to the group
Hello Ricardo, I also have Cabral family from Santa Mariaperhaps we have a connection. I am currently in Pico and have only limited records with me at this time but I do have some of them. Welcome to the group.they are like extended family and more help than you can imagine! Nancy Jean Baptistaaka...Ana de Castro Cabral Baptista > Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:16:46 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] introduction myself to the group > From: chave...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Hello researchers, > > I would like to say hi to all here, my name is Ricardo Chaves, I still > have a lot of work to do but already done some research with baptism > books and after many hours of work, I got my first results. I am at my > 6th generation on my father's side. Chaves. I was born in Santa Maria, > I live in Sao Miguel for 17 years. I don't do Genealogy as a full time > job, I do it at free time. My main goal is to write a book for my > family. I try to research all names I can, including my wife's side > too. I also love to work with old pictures. > > I sincerely hope to find some connections here, although I believe no > one in my most direct family is doing this, as far as I know, I am the > only one that had made some "longer" steps. > > These are the names on my father side: Chaves and Carvalho from Santo > Espirito-Santa Maria, Tavares and Resendes from Ribeira Grande-Sao > Miguel), Rocha from Santo Antonio - São Miguel), and more. > > These are the names on me mother side: Ponte from Lomba do Botao - > Povoacao - Sao Miguel, Freitas from Santa Barbara - Santa Maria, > Cabral from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria, and much more. > > I have been doing it for over 4 years but very slowly, this to say > that I am not an expert but have learned a lot by reading and talking > with people. I hope I can be of any help here and hope mostly to learn > and find roots. > > Thank you all for reading, more here www.rchaves.com/blog > > Ricardo Chaves > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Cardoso from Pico to California
Greetings Group, I recently received an obituary for my great grandmother. I had no idea that she had 2 brothers who came from Candelaria, Pico to California. Wondering if anyone has a connection to a JOSE CARDOSO, born 1885 or to his brother ANTONIO CARDOSO, born 1888. They were born in Pico and I have no idea where in Ca. they ended up. They are the sons of Manuel Furtado Cardoso and may have used the Furtado name as well as Cardoso. Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Debra surname
Hi Celeste, I'm interested in the de Abreu name. I'm looking for any connection to Abreu's from Flamengos, Faial or Sao Jorge. Any chance you have information regarding Abreu's from those locations? Best regards, Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:49:19 -0700 From: ccgran...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Debra surname To: azores@googlegroups.com I have followed the name: de Abreu and found some of the descendants used Deabru, De Abreu and just Abreu as the spelling. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 6/7/11, bpj...@aol.com wrote: From: bpj...@aol.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Debra surname To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 1:18 PM Yes. It is on the NEPS sight, printed, so no chance for misreading. That is why I am so confused. Thanks for the reply. Janice -Original Message- From: Dano To: Azores Genealogy Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 4:12 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Debra surname Are you certain that it is "Debra," and not "Dutra?" On Jun 7, 9:35 am, bpj...@aol.com wrote: > In researching my family in Lajes do Pico, I found the name Manuel Rodrigues Debra. Has anyone come across the surname Debra in their research? > > Thank you. > Janice Perry -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Travel--Practical Advice
Greetings all, All this money to the Azores conversation made me think about how safe I always feel over there. Like Steve, we take euro's with us each year when we go to Pico. Although we have a bank on Pico to run our electric and water bills through it's minimal so we plump it up each year. 3 years ago I had my euro's in my carry onin the flurry to take the little plane from Sao Miguel to Pico (when you have to check your carry on) I forgot to take my money and jewelry out. When we got to Pico my bag along with several other peoples were left in Sao Miguel to be delivered later(we've since found out this has to do with commercial cargo being flown on the plane)needless to say I was worried since it was about 1200 euros and all my favorite baubles. The next day they delivered my carry on to our adega( which is in the "boonies" of Pico)...every penny was there.it was all perfect and taught me a very valuable lesson! Several of them actually! Sounds like many of you are going "home" for a holidaycome visit if you're in Picowe'll be there from mid July to mid Sept. and I'd love to meet some of you in person! Best regards, Nancy Jean Baptista From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:38:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Travel--Practical Advice To: azores@googlegroups.com Repost Steve Peters, spp1680 at gmail.com Hi Nancy, I've been looking into this too, as I head off to Faial & Pico on June 22. It really is worth going in and talking to someone at your bank to figure out how they handle all this stuff, as each bank is different. A couple of other things I've found out: My bank charges 3% on all foreign ATM withdrawals using my debt card, along with the usual fee for using an out-of-network ATM. If I use my credit card, they charge the same 3% (and ATM fee if I use one) + another 3% for a "cash advance". Any credit card purchase made at a store or restaurant or whatever is also considered a cash advance and carries this extra 3% fee. So it makes the most sense to use the debit card, and to take out large amounts each time to minimize the number of withdrawals/fees. Save the credit card only for times when you absolutely need it, like renting a car. But: I can order Euros through my bank at no charge with a week or so lead time. So I plan to take a bunch of Euros with me and then only use my debit card at ATMs if I run out. I won't even bother with traveler's checks. I assume when you make a debit withdrawal from an ATM that they charge you the lowest exchange rate available on that day, but as someone else said, the day they run the charge may be later than when you make the withdrawal, so this may not be entirely accurate. Have a great trip! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating? UPDATE re: death of Jose da Rosa Furtado de Mendonca....sao jorge Re: Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, B
I'm sending this again...not sure it went throughbad storms here in Arkansas affecting the signal. Hi Suzanne, They only names are his and his wife with the priest also named. I was interested to see your family names. I have a ggrandmother from Rosais, Francisca Rosa da Silveira de Lemos, and a ggrandfather from Beira, Jose de Sousa Pereira ManceboI found their records in the Velas records. I think we could have some connections somewhere. Regards, Nancy Jean Baptista > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:54:12 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating? UPDATE re: death of Jose da > Rosa Furtado de Mendoncasao jorge Re: Searching ancestors - da Rosa > (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, > Conceicao... > From: suzanne.dar...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > I have a new record to my line, an update to my #2 gr gr gr > grandfather: > Generation No. 2 (above) > 2. José da Rosa Furtado de Mendonça, born 4 > Fevereiro 1800 in Velas, São Jorge. Died on June 5, 1846 in Velas, he > was a fisherman. > http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJVVO1826-1855/SJVVO1826-1855_item1/P191.html > Is there anyone who can translate this for me? I understand the part > through the names/dates but am wondering if it mentinons any other > family names etc. lower down. > thanks > suzanne > > > On Apr 22, 8:30 pm, sdarosa wrote: > > Dolores, My gr grandfather came to New Bedford in 1854, then to San > > Francisco in 1865. He was listed as a seaman and was naturalized in > > New Bedford. In San Francisco he married Abbie Madden from Ireland > > and my father's mother was his first child. > > I have done some research in the portuguese records which is on my > > site. Here's the link to Joseph da Rosa's page & you can go back from > > there. http://www.babkirk.com/wc01/wc01_043.htm > > I am about to embark on another level of research so I'll let you know > > if I uncover anything. I don't think there was a frank or francisco > > listed as a sibling. His youngest brother was born in 1846. > > > > On Apr 22, 3:35 pm, Dolores Coyle wrote: > > > > > > > > > DO you have any more info on the da Rosa? My Great Great Grandparents, > > > Frank A Rose (daRosa) and Mary J Souza were from Sao Jorges. The settled > > > in > > > East Boston, Mass. They were born around 1850, and were in the US by > > > 1860. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dolores Coyle > > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, sdarosa wrote: > > > > Hello, I haven't posted to the group in a long time and was wondering > > > > if anyone has connections to some of the families in my line listed in > > > > the research below. \ > > > > Surnames are: > > > > da Rosa, da Roza, Furtado deMendonça, de Avelar, de Ávila, da > > > > Conceição, Pereira de Ávila, Pereira de Ávila Bettencourt, de Jesus, > > > > Pereira Pires, Pereira Machado, Leal, Gomes de Brito, Delfina, > > > > Silveira, da Cunha, Pereira Cardoso, > > > > From: Sao Jorge - Velas/Rosais/Norte Gde/Urzelina > > > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FROM SAO JORGE MICROFILMED RECORDS OF > > > > SIBLINGS, PARENTS, GRAND & GRGRAND PARENTS OF JOSEPH (JOSE) da ROSA: > > > > Ancestors of José da Rosa > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > 1. José da Rosa, born 29 Setembro 1836 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. He was the son of 2. José da Rosa Furtado de > > > > Mendonça and 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar. > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > 2. José da Rosa Furtado de Mendonça, born 4 > > > > Fevereiro 1800 in Velas, São Jorge. He was the son of > > > > 4. António Pereira de Ávila and 5. Rosa da Conceição. > > > > He married 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar 23 Setembro > > > > 1820 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar, born 21 Abril 1801 in > > > > Urzelina, São Jorge. She was the daughter of 6. > > > > incógnito and 7. incógnita. > > > > > > Children of José de Mendonça and Vitorina de Avelar > > > > are: > > > > i. Ana, born 24 Junho 1821 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > ii. Maria, born 25 Novembro 1823 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. > > > > iii. Rosa, born 27 Março 1826 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > iv. Vitorina, born 12 Janeiro 1829 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. > > > > v. Emília, born 28 Julho 1831 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > vi. Miquelina, born 18 Janeiro 1834 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. > > > > 1 vii. José da Rosa, born 29 Setembro 1836 in Velas, > > > > São Jorge. > > > > viii. João, born 1846. > > > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > > > > 4. António Pereira de Ávila, born 8 Dezembro 1781 in > > > > Velas, São Jorge. He was the son of 8. Manuel Pereira > > > > de Ávila Bettencourt and 9. Ana Maria de Jesus. He > > > > married 5. Rosa da Conceição 24 Outubro 1799 in Velas, > > > > São Jorge. > > > > 5. Rosa da Conceição, born 15 Fevereiro 1759 in > > > > Velas, São Jorge; died 7 Janeiro 1816 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. She was the daughter of 10. António Furtado de > > > > Mendonça and 11. Mar
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating? UPDATE re: death of Jose da Rosa Furtado de Mendonca....sao jorge Re: Searching ancestors - da Rosa (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, B
Hi Suzanne, They only names are his and his wife with the priest also named. I was interested to see your family names. I have a ggrandmother from Rosais, Francisca Rosa da Silveira de Lemos, and a ggrandfather from Beira, Jose de Sousa Pereira ManceboI found their records in the Velas records. I think we could have some connections somewhere. Regards, Nancy Jean Baptista > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:54:12 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating? UPDATE re: death of Jose da > Rosa Furtado de Mendoncasao jorge Re: Searching ancestors - da Rosa > (Roza), Furtado de Mendonca, de Avelar, Pereira de Avila, Bettencourt, > Conceicao... > From: suzanne.dar...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > I have a new record to my line, an update to my #2 gr gr gr > grandfather: > Generation No. 2 (above) > 2. José da Rosa Furtado de Mendonça, born 4 > Fevereiro 1800 in Velas, São Jorge. Died on June 5, 1846 in Velas, he > was a fisherman. > http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/SJVVO1826-1855/SJVVO1826-1855_item1/P191.html > Is there anyone who can translate this for me? I understand the part > through the names/dates but am wondering if it mentinons any other > family names etc. lower down. > thanks > suzanne > > > On Apr 22, 8:30 pm, sdarosa wrote: > > Dolores, My gr grandfather came to New Bedford in 1854, then to San > > Francisco in 1865. He was listed as a seaman and was naturalized in > > New Bedford. In San Francisco he married Abbie Madden from Ireland > > and my father's mother was his first child. > > I have done some research in the portuguese records which is on my > > site. Here's the link to Joseph da Rosa's page & you can go back from > > there. http://www.babkirk.com/wc01/wc01_043.htm > > I am about to embark on another level of research so I'll let you know > > if I uncover anything. I don't think there was a frank or francisco > > listed as a sibling. His youngest brother was born in 1846. > > > > On Apr 22, 3:35 pm, Dolores Coyle wrote: > > > > > > > > > DO you have any more info on the da Rosa? My Great Great Grandparents, > > > Frank A Rose (daRosa) and Mary J Souza were from Sao Jorges. The settled > > > in > > > East Boston, Mass. They were born around 1850, and were in the US by > > > 1860. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dolores Coyle > > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, sdarosa wrote: > > > > Hello, I haven't posted to the group in a long time and was wondering > > > > if anyone has connections to some of the families in my line listed in > > > > the research below. \ > > > > Surnames are: > > > > da Rosa, da Roza, Furtado deMendonça, de Avelar, de Ávila, da > > > > Conceição, Pereira de Ávila, Pereira de Ávila Bettencourt, de Jesus, > > > > Pereira Pires, Pereira Machado, Leal, Gomes de Brito, Delfina, > > > > Silveira, da Cunha, Pereira Cardoso, > > > > From: Sao Jorge - Velas/Rosais/Norte Gde/Urzelina > > > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FROM SAO JORGE MICROFILMED RECORDS OF > > > > SIBLINGS, PARENTS, GRAND & GRGRAND PARENTS OF JOSEPH (JOSE) da ROSA: > > > > Ancestors of José da Rosa > > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > > > 1. José da Rosa, born 29 Setembro 1836 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. He was the son of 2. José da Rosa Furtado de > > > > Mendonça and 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar. > > > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > > > > 2. José da Rosa Furtado de Mendonça, born 4 > > > > Fevereiro 1800 in Velas, São Jorge. He was the son of > > > > 4. António Pereira de Ávila and 5. Rosa da Conceição. > > > > He married 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar 23 Setembro > > > > 1820 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > 3. Vitorina Claudia de Avelar, born 21 Abril 1801 in > > > > Urzelina, São Jorge. She was the daughter of 6. > > > > incógnito and 7. incógnita. > > > > > > Children of José de Mendonça and Vitorina de Avelar > > > > are: > > > > i. Ana, born 24 Junho 1821 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > ii. Maria, born 25 Novembro 1823 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. > > > > iii. Rosa, born 27 Março 1826 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > iv. Vitorina, born 12 Janeiro 1829 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. > > > > v. Emília, born 28 Julho 1831 in Velas, São Jorge. > > > > vi. Miquelina, born 18 Janeiro 1834 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. > > > > 1 vii. José da Rosa, born 29 Setembro 1836 in Velas, > > > > São Jorge. > > > > viii. João, born 1846. > > > > > > Generation No. 3 > > > > > > 4. António Pereira de Ávila, born 8 Dezembro 1781 in > > > > Velas, São Jorge. He was the son of 8. Manuel Pereira > > > > de Ávila Bettencourt and 9. Ana Maria de Jesus. He > > > > married 5. Rosa da Conceição 24 Outubro 1799 in Velas, > > > > São Jorge. > > > > 5. Rosa da Conceição, born 15 Fevereiro 1759 in > > > > Velas, São Jorge; died 7 Janeiro 1816 in Velas, São > > > > Jorge. She was the daughter of 10. António Furtado de > > > > Mendonça and 11. Maria da Conceição. > > > > > > Child of António de Ávila and Rosa da Conceição is: > > > > 2 i. José da Rosa
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] translationh
Hi Shirl, I'm sure one of the fluent speakers will give you a word fpr wordhowever, it's " for failure to pay txes" on a piece of property which can be identified by the Artigo # Hope that helps a bitI may be wrong but I would think that that piece of property could be identified today with the same artigo #. Regards, Nancy Jean > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:23:27 + > From: shirl.sere...@frontier.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] translationh > > I hope someone can tell me what this means! > Por falta de pagamentos de taxes soc?aes Artico 1*, n *4 > It is from "Actas das Sessoes da Sociedade de Geographia de Lisboa Funndada > em 1875" and relates to Adolfo Benarus 2860. > > - Shirl - > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more time
Hi Gayle, Any time I see Candelaria I'm hopeful for connectionsyou and I have found some of ours but who knows how many other links there might be? Best to you, Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 14:58:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more time From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, It wouldn’t be my great-grandmother because my grandfather was born in Providence RI about 1873. Too early for Francisca’s sister. But, certainly bounce any other ideas off. You never know when one will work out. Thanks, Gayle -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more time
Thanks E, >From Sao Jorge and Candelaria but not my people. Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:06:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more time From: bellema...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean, You can check out this Silveira Machado family who lived in Oak Bluffs, Dukes County MA as well as CA locations on the following website: http://history.vineyard.net/mvpgp/machado.htm "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more time
Hi Gayle and E, I noticed the name Anna Lemos my ggrandmother, Francesca Rosa de Lemos had a sister Anna Lemos who came over from Sao Jorge in 1909, their parents were Manuel Silveira de Lemos and Anna Bernarda da Silveira.I don't know anything about who Anna might have married over here so I'm curious if this could be her. I notice the name Silveira included in the grooms name. Nancy Jean > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] One more time > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:52:36 -0700 > From: gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Sorry, I forgot to "Save" the attachment. > > Gayle > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Full Text of the book "The Azores: or Western Islands"
Chris, I have to agree that I would like to read anything about the Azores and her history...favorable or not...I consider all perspectives insightful. Please don't hesitate to send us links!!! Nancy Jean > From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Full Text of the book "The Azores: or > Western Islands" > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:31:32 -0500 > > Chris, > > I would not take it personally I am sure they are not upset with you and > only meant to point out that this writer was not kind with his remarks about > the Acores. As John pointed even Mark Twain was not kind in his remarks. You > made a valid post and thank you for it. > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Spring, TX > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > > -Original Message- > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > cmurray56 > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:14 AM > To: Azores Genealogy > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Full Text of the book "The Azores: or > Western Islands" > > Hi Walter, I am very new to this site, i found this book on the internet and > thought it might be of use to someone. I dont know the history of the > writers from America, re the Azores, i have no idea > about their thoughts or what they write in their books. Im sorry if > i upset you. I will not send any more Azores books or other information i > find to this group , it may upset people and that is not my intention. Im > only trying to share what i find and find my family history. > Chris > > On Apr 5, 1:46 am, emac...@aol.com wrote: > > Gee, I may be wrong...but isn't Walter F Walker most unkind to the > > Azores in his comments. In fact, most American writers were not kind > > if seemed to me. > > > > In a message dated 4/4/2011 6:33:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > cmurra...@yahoo.com.au writes: > > > > Walter Fredrick Walker > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help
Hi Jackie, I see everything the same as you see it although I had some trouble seeing the dates and couldn't make out the names of the witnesseshowever, everyone else had the names as you saw them. Nancy Jean From: ja...@cdmmarketing.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:59:20 -0700 Can someone look at this and tell me if I have the right record? It should be the baptismal record for Antonio Francisco de Medeiros born 10 Aug 1829 and baptized on 13 Aug 1829. His parents were Jose Francisco de Medeiros and Marianna Benarda. His grandparents were Vincente Jose de Medeiros and Maria Silveira and Jose Francisco Alcaide and Catarina Inacia. He was born in Cedros on the island of Faial. I think I am reading the names and dates correctly but I am not very good at it yet. Any and all translation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Jacki -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Genetic deseases among Azorean population
Greetings, When I first began researching my Azorean heritage it was to find physiological tendencies among the Azorean people. I first came across Machado Joseph disease aka stumbling disease. It seems to be mainly among Azoreans and Flores has one of the highest incidences but I remember that there had been at least 1 case in some one from Japan. It's been at least 6 years since I did that research and I'm sure there's much more info now. I do remember that the high incidence was attributed to the amount of inbreeding on Flores. I don't remember if Corvo also had the high amount although it would seem probable. I do know that in my own family, which has cousin marriages in several of my lines, most of my siblings and I inherited a "leaky mitral heart valve" from my Mother. All of my moms people were from Sao Jorge. There are 6 of us. There's also a prevalence of diabetes and lung cancer. The lung cancer is mainly in the women in my family and when I looked up my MTDNA it's one of the main types afflicted with lung cancer.Osteo arthritis has been horrible for the men in my family but not the women. Rh factor has killed quite a few babies in my family and I wonder how prevalent it is among Azoreans. This information doesn't make me fearful but rather I find it valuable information to use to my advantage. For instance, while I've never been too overweight the older I've become the heavier I've becomewhen I found my ggrandmother, Catarina Moreira Cabrals death record in Feb 2010 and found out she died at a fairly young age of diabetes, it gave me the incentive to drop 40 pounds in 1 years time. I would have remained complacent without that info. So, I do think knowing the tendencies of our ancestral health is very important! I didn't know about the bi-polar schizophrenia problem until I saw Debra's email and I find that very interesting to know. I think we can all benefit from this type of knowledge. Best regards to all, Nancy Jean Baptista researching: Sao Jorge for de Sousa Pereira, Texeira Baptista, da Silveira, Enos, Bettencourt, de Quadros, Vieira and Oliveira Pico for de Castro, Cardosa, Furtado, da Silva Faial for Abreu and Goulart Santa Maria for Cabral, Coelho, Moreira and Andrade -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
Greetings, While I find this to be a very interesting subject I feel that the thread regarding the Coelho's from Santa Maria has been absconded. The subject of cousin marriages and desease's related to our people for various reasons deserves a thread all of it's ownsome people would like the info and others looking for Coelho's will be disappointed to have to read 15 messages before finding the origional posting in search of COELHO's!. Let's start a desease /genetic thread all it's own! Thanks, Nancy Jean researching Santa Maria for Coelho, Moreira, Andrade and Cabral > From: patli...@verizon.net > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:58:06 -0400 > > > > I believe most of us are cousins by interrelated marriages. As you had once > told me the first Furtado to come to the island of Sao Miguel had brought > down that name through the male and female lines. > > As I told Pat Girard I don't believe there are dead ends. I have cousins > married within my parents lines together and within their own lines > together. I look back and see the same names in both my father's lines > that's in my mother's lines, why is that. > > I also think it's another reason why children didn't survive because of the > same blood lines. > > Sorry, but that's what I believe. > > You have Furtado and de Sousa from Ribeira Grande as I do and we aren't > related there? > > My mothers father's maternal side, Rosa (possibly a name dropped) came down > from the Travossos/Cabral/Velho line. > > Linda > > > -Original Message- > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Manoel Cesar > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:06 PM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria > > Linda, > > One must be careful about surnames in Azores. > They come from the parents, from the father or the mother; come from > paternal or maternal grand-fathers or grand-mothers, or even from great > grandparents. And, also important, sometimes, not so often, they are simply > adopted, with no connections to the original surmanes of the family. > > In this case concerning Jorge Velho married to Africa Anes, the surname > Velho was adopted. > Frutuoso says that Jorge Velho was nephew of the King of Fez, and he was > baptized at the presence of the Prince (Infante) D. Henrique, took the > christian forename Jorge and has honored Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) with the > surname Velho. > > Catarina Nunes Velho married to Jorge Furtado was from the true Velho's, > connected to the family of Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) who was sent to Azores in > 1444 by Prince D. Henrique in order to colonize the islands of Santa Maria > and São Miguel. > Gonçalo Velho (Cabral) brought his nephews Pedro and Nuno, sons of his > sister Violante Velho Cabral who was married to Diogo Gonçalves de > Travassos. > > You and I do descend from Pedro, but not through the Furtado line, as far as > know. > > Our common ancestors in this line are João Rebelo and Maria Travassos, > maried about 1600. Their daughter Ana Cabral, born 30 Apr 1606 in Ribeira > Frande, S. Miguel, is the 3rd grandmother of Rita de Jesus, my 4th > grandmother who married my 4th grandfather José Furtado born 19 Mar 1784 in > Vila Franca do Campo, S. Miguel. > > > Manoel > > > > > 2011/3/29 Linda Norton : > > Hi Margaret and Manoel, > > > > Manoel, you gave me this info years ago: > > > > According to Frutuoso, Jorge Furtado was grandson of Martin Anes > > Furtado de Sousa from S. Miguel. He married first to Catarina Nunes > > Velho and had Leonardo Furtado and a daughter ?name. Leonardo married > > Beatriz Perdigoa and they had Jorge Furtado, Francisco Furtado and > > Maria de Sousa. Jorge Furtado married again to Guimar Camelo, had four > children, one named Jorge as well. > > Also, descendants of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa and the reference to > > Jorge Furtado de Mendonca brought by Frutuoso in his book on the male > lines. > > > > There is another line of Furtado's through the females. Diogo Afonso > > Columbreiro, son of Afonso Anes da Costa m. Branca Roiz de Medeiros, > > daughter of Rui Vaz de Medeiros and Ana/Mecia Goncalves, daughter of > > Jorge de Mendonca. The sons of Diogo and Branca are Pedro Furtado and > > Sebastiao Afonso. I think Sebastiao had a son, Aleixos Furtado de > > Mendonca. So, Jorge Furtado de Mendonca under the Medeiros chapter has > > his surname passed by his daugher in the island on a distant third > > gradson and the brother of Diogo, also named Afonso Anes as his father > > married Ines Martins daughter of Martim Anes Furtado de Sousa. > > > > I am going to take a shot in saying that Africa Anes and Jorge Velho > > brought down these lines both on female and male sides? So can I say > > we have an Anes/Velho club in this group? > > > > Linda Borges Furtado Norton > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from t
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records
I think loosing many children in a family was common until not that long ago! I'm the oldest of 6 living children but my Mom had 13 pregnancies.she also had type A- blood and my Dad was A+ and that was the reason she lost so many.when I had my first child in 1967 they had just introduced the Rogam serum to eliminate the problem due to the RH factor. I would speculate that many of our ancestors had similar conditions. I have seen also on a website that lists "disasters in the azore islands" that a plague hit more than once. Nancy Jean From: patli...@verizon.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:46:16 -0400 Interesting. My mother said that her mother had my aunt, then lost seven or eight children, then had my mom and my uncle. She said it was from the milk, but I'm wondering if it was from flux or some other type of virus, disease, etc. I don't even know if they even kept records on those deaths. I see so many, including my family, that there was nothing to have over ten children back before or early 1900's and they survived so you do wonder why some did and some didn't. Linda Borges Furtado Norton From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:20 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records I've heard both "cluster" and "whole family research."� When I began genealogy 19 years ago (gee, I'm dating myself), I took a basic, beginning genealogy class at my local adult school.� I remember that in proper genealogy, you should take the ancestor and collect all their children (birth, marriage, death) and collect all the grandchildren (birth, marriage, death).� Depending on what my goal is, I may or may not do this.� And 19 years ago, I did do it to submit to a book.� It took about a year to get it.� There were no computer sources with online indices.� On my American lines, I copied a map of the US.� My ancestors were in Missouri (MO).� So I hope they all went west.� I started to pull the Soundex for the Federal Census for each state west of MO and crossed it off the map. I remember when Shirley Allegre found a couple of deaths for our common ancestors.� Mom and baby died something like a day apart.� I don't remember what that record stated (or if it did), but it was probably due to complications from childbirth.� It's terribly sad. Also, I was lucky on one of my American lines where deaths were recorded in the 1850s in a particular county in Kentucky.� This one did note the cause.� Mom and 3 children died within a few months of each other.� The cause?� Flux.� I had to go to an old time disease name web site.� Flux is diarrhea.� One child probably had it and she washed the clothes along with the 2 babies and they all got it and died.� They didn't know about sanitation then and I'm sure the water wasn't changed or the one child's soiled diapers washed separately from everyone else's.� Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
Thank you Manoel, I love reading this type of information and would give anything to have a copy of this book! Can I still buy this book ANYWHERE? Last year when we went to Semana do Mar in Faial they have a book sale every year I found a book in Portuguese about Africa Annes..I have been translating it very slowly now for 10 monthsa very tedious task when you have little Portuguese language skills! Margaret, I'm descended from Africa and Jorge Velho also, through their daughter, Inez Afonso, and I'm also descended from Africa again by her marriage to Nuno Velho Cabral through their son Duarte Nunes Velho and Isabel Fernandes. One generation later cousins married and I descend from that relationship...I feel very connected to Africa Annes since I have double descendency from herI wish I knew more about her! With all the cousin marriages in my various lines I'm lucky not to have 2 heads or some such thing! Still hoping for that connection to my Coelho's from Santa Maria. Helen, with my ggrandmother, Catarina Cabral being from Almegreira and your Maria Cabral being from the same village we must have a connection. My Catarina, came to New Bedford in the 1880'shave been unable to find her passport but know that she picked up a copy of her baptismal record in Feb. 1882 but I have no trace of her until she married my ggrandfather, Antonio Teixeira Baptista in Jan. 1888 in New Bedford. Thank all for insights and feedback, Nancy Jean Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:42:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Manuel, (sorry for budding in but I'm also part of this line) I am a direct descendant of Joao Jorge (son of Africa Anes x Jorge Velho) he married Beatriz Vicente from Algarve. Does RR show anything on her line? Is there a way to trace who her parents were? Thank you. Margaret Vicente On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Manoel Cesar wrote: Nancy, Linda, Sam and Helen, Here´s the excerpt from the Rodrigo Rodrigues’ book ‘Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria’: Chapter 156 João da Ponte das Cortes (the old one) descendancy: 1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers of the island of Santa Maria ( See Frutuoso, Book II, Chapter III , § XIX). He married Inês Afonso, daughter of Jorge Velho and Africa Anes (Chapter 103, § 1, No. 2). 2 - Adão da Fonte, knight of Santiago, from the island of Santa Maria (See Frutuoso Book III, § XIX, Chapter III) (Book IV Chapter VIII, § 1). He married Beatriz Afonso born in the island of Madeira. 3 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain, resident in Santa Bárbara de Santa Maria. His wife Maria Romeiro Velho was the godmother at a baptism in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 22 february 1598. It seems that he was first married with Andresa Fernandes (Note No. 1). He married in the island of Santa Maria for the second time (?) before1598 with Maria Romeiro Velho * (Chapter 33, § 8, No. 7). With the second wife: 4 - Sebastião da Fonte Velho, captain (See Coat of Arms of Gaspar de Andrade Columbreiro, page 636, in ‘Arquivo Heráldico e Genealógico de Sanches de Baena’). He married Maria Velho de Melo. (Chapter 33, § 2, No.7). 5 - Capitão Baltazar Velho de Andrade. (Note No. 4). He married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on November 1657 with Maria de Andrade Poim and he married for the second time before 1673 with Catarina Velho de Melo. With the second wife: 6 - Catarina Velho or Coelho de Melo, who married for the first time in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 23 september 1697 with Matias Furtado de Sousa, from Agua de Pau, son of João Dantes (sic) and Maria Furtado. She married for the second time at the same freguesia on 23 december 1708 with Sebastião Jácome de Resendes (Chapter 30, § 2, No. 8). With the first husband: 7 - António Coelho, married in Matriz de Vila do Porto on 9 september 1743 with Maria dos Santos, from Almagreira, daughter of Francisco Velho Dias and Isabel de Andrade married in Vila do Porto on 2 august 1708. * (The Maria Romeiro Velho’s line goes back to Diogo Gonçalves de Travassos and Violante Velho Cabral) Manoel -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Margaret M Vicente -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.go
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
Thank you Manoel, I'm very interested in any information especially dates for this line. Catarina Velho Coelho de Melo was my 7th grandmother behind my paternal greatgrandmother from Santa Maria, Catarina Moreira CabralI'm aware that this line goes back to Diogo and Violante.I would love to find others connected that may not already be in the "Tavassos Velho Cabral" clubSam, maybe we connect on our Santa Maria line as well as our Sao Jorge linedouble cousins so to speak! It was looking at this Coelho line that made me realize I have some ancestry to the Agua de Pau in Sao Miguel.perhaps I should look again for other connections to those who trace back there Nancy Jean > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 02:37:37 -0300 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria > From: man...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy, > > Your Catarina (Velho) Coelho de Melo is in the Rodrigo Rodrigues' book. > I'm gonna try to translate it into english and send it to you. > > Sure I am you go right away back to the Velho Cabral and Travassos old > lineage. > > Manoel > > > 2011/3/26 nancy jean baptiste : > > Greetings Group, > > > > I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio > > Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI > > have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that: > > > > Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da > > Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of > > Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in > > Almagreira, Santa Maria > > > > Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila > > do Porto, Santa Maria > > > > Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao > > Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of > > Joao Dantes > > > > Sound familiar to anyone? > > > > Nancy Jean Baptista > > researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > > they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > > > -- > Manoel Cesar Furtado > man...@gmail.com > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Coelho from Santa Maria
Greetings Group, I'm looking for others who may be connected to Matias Coelho son of Antonio Coelho who was the son of Matias Furtado Leite and Catarina Coelho MeloI have very few dates for these people unfortunetly.I do know that: Matias Coelho married Catarina Inacia on Nov. 10, 1790 in Nossa Senhora da Purificacao, Santo Espirito, Santa Maria...Catarina was the daughter of Martinho Almada and Vitoria Teresa de Jesus both she and Matias were born in Almagreira, Santa Maria Matias father, Antonio Coelho married Maria dos Santos Sept. 9, 1743 in Vila do Porto, Santa Maria Antonio's father, Matias Furtado Leite was born in Agua de Pau, Sao Miguelhe is also called Matias Furtado de Sousa and he is the son of Joao Dantes Sound familiar to anyone? Nancy Jean Baptista researching Santa Maria for Cabral, Moreira, Coelho, Almada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Abridged summary of azores@googlegroups.com - 7 Messages in 5 Topics
I'm a bit confused because several years ago I was told that Wilhem's wife was Margarita de Azumbuja.not Margarida of Savoie. Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:45:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Abridged summary of azores@googlegroups.com - 7 Messages in 5 Topics From: mgenie...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com As an amateur geneologist, I'm fascinated by the Willhelm Vander Haeghen dialogue and wish to express my gratitude to Kathy Cardoza for providing the forum for the debate. Time, and more facts, will determine if and how our common history should be revised. In the meantime, keep digging, share the nuggets and spread the wealth. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:29 PM, wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/azores/topics Important for descendants of Willhelm Vander Haeghen [2 Updates] Check out Marguerite de Savoie [1 Update] Marriage and the degree of consanguinity [2 Updates] Check out Margaret of Savoy, Duchess of Anjou - Wikipedia, the free encyclope [1 Update] Aires Teixeira Luiz [1 Update] Topic: Important for descendants of Willhelm Vander Haeghen Kathy Cardoza Mar 15 11:24AM -0700 ^ A researcher by the name of André Claeys has been contributing his research to the Azores GenWeb site for the last several years. He just sent me some information that will be of interest to anyone more... Dano Mar 15 09:50PM -0700 ^ Mr. Claeys has recently provided a good deal of information about Flemish surnames, however, claims of this nature which greatly impact accepted genealogical history need to be vetted. Until another more... Topic: Check out Marguerite de Savoie antonia...@aol.com Mar 15 07:30PM -0400 ^ _Click here: Marguerite de Savoie_ (http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=en;i=3210028) I could never figure out how Guill made such a big error with Margerite de Savoie and with Willem Van der more... Topic: Marriage and the degree of consanguinity Marcio Borba Mar 14 11:08PM -0700 ^ 1. Primeiro grau (1st degree) is brother and sister. This will never be seen I have seen 1 and 2 degree. Oncle marrying a niece Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... more... yukonang...@aol.com Mar 15 06:29PM -0400 ^ Not to impose , but I do know my grandfather married his niece. That took place in Sacramento Ca. in 1891. Margie In a message dated 3/14/2011 11:09:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, more... Topic: Check out Margaret of Savoy, Duchess of Anjou - Wikipedia, the free encyclope emac...@aol.com Mar 15 06:11PM -0400 ^ _Click here: Margaret of Savoy, Duchess of Anjou - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_of_Savoy_(1410–1479)) I've tried to correct this mistake more... Topic: Aires Teixeira Luiz Marcio Borba Mar 15 10:41AM -0700 ^ Hi, I have Aires on my data. 4th consanguinity means Aires and his wife had common gggrandparents. I'm sending u attached some of his ancestors and also pictures of Caldeira, the place where he more... -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vol III, The descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira
Thank you both for your insight. It did seem odd that she would have been executed.however, not impossible. I'm glad to know it was just a mistake and since she received the sacraments she was right with her "soul"...I doubt condemned people were given the last ritesor were they? I remember noting when I read David Gitlitz book, Religion of the Crypto-Jews, that there was a woman from Lages, Pico who was killed by the Inquisition after having been denounced by her son. I don't remember the year without looking it up but that's the reason I thought perhaps Luiza had met such a fate! This document "fleshed" Guilherme and Margarida out a bit for me..I had recently read a book about the making of textiles in the 13th century and although fiction it had a great deal of historical insights. Guilherme was very involved with this before leaving for the Azores and this book also states that he was a "good" man. I like that. Thanks again, Nancy Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:26:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vol III, The descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira From: margaretvice...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy, I took a look at the document and the "whole paper" has VERLEDEN for deceased and for d. Luzia Sousa it shows. OVERLEDEN = executed. The document itself seems to indicate this to be a typo; reason being that throughout all the listed generations no one else was overleden/executed as you yourself so noted in your email. Hope this helps. margaret On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi Nancy, I do not see any Word that may mean of execution… eliseu De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de nancy jean baptiste Enviada: domingo, 6 de Março de 2011 02:06 Para: azores group Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vol III, The descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira Greetings Group, I'm curious if anyone else has been reading this book. Like many of us I descend from Guilherme and Margarida through 3 of his children due to cousin marriages so I like to read whatever I can find about the family. This has information that was new to me and while I do see some definite problems with some dates that absolutely can't be right my reason for writing now has to do with an odd "wording" on page 64. Up until this entry the deaths are stated deceased but then for D. Luzia de Sousa born around 1619 and "executed" on 1-31-1669. I found it odd that of all the previous entries this was the first with that wording. I went to her obit on the CCA site ...it's legible however, my Portuguese isn't good enough for nuance or any interpretation other than what I clearly understand. Was she executed or is this just an anomaly in his writing? CCASao Jorge...Topo obits 1633, page .042 left side. Thanks for any insight, Nancy Jean Baptista -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Margaret M Vicente -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vol III, The descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira
Greetings Group, I'm curious if anyone else has been reading this book. Like many of us I descend from Guilherme and Margarida through 3 of his children due to cousin marriages so I like to read whatever I can find about the family. This has information that was new to me and while I do see some definite problems with some dates that absolutely can't be right my reason for writing now has to do with an odd "wording" on page 64. Up until this entry the deaths are stated deceased but then for D. Luzia de Sousa born around 1619 and "executed" on 1-31-1669. I found it odd that of all the previous entries this was the first with that wording. I went to her obit on the CCA site ...it's legible however, my Portuguese isn't good enough for nuance or any interpretation other than what I clearly understand. Was she executed or is this just an anomaly in his writing? CCASao Jorge...Topo obits 1633, page .042 left side. Thanks for any insight, Nancy Jean Baptista Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:05:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vol III, The descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira From: roselynhug...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Dear Kathy, I don't know if this will help but I translated the file with Google translate and it is attached as a word file. It is now only 1.22MB which is about the size of a picture and in English. Hope that helps. Roselyn On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Kathy Cardoza wrote: Volume 1, as I stated on the page, http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Flemish_history.html, is NOT a pdf file. The reason is because a pdf of this book was over 45 MB, way too large for folks to download. So instead, I saved it as a web page. You can save it to your computer simply by going to the File menu of your web browser and save it as a web page or web archive. I hope that helps. Kathy Karlushko wrote: I tried to download Volume I, an updated and illustrated 3rd version of the Luso-Flemish families of the Azores, but it wasnt impossible, it doesnt give the option. I would download it to try to translate it into English and Portuguese Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA Pesquisando: Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus. --- Em sex, 6/8/10, Kathy Cardoza escreveu: De: Kathy Cardoza Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vol III, The descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira Para: "Azores Google Group" Data: Sexta-feira, 6 de Agosto de 2010, 18:38 I have uploaded Vol III of the history of Flemish people in the Azores by André Claeys onto the Azores GenWeb site. This book details the descendants of Wlllem Vander Haaeghen aka Guilherme da Silveira. It can be found here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Flemish_history.html If you are interested in these descendants, this could be a valuable resource for you! As with the other books Mr. Claeys has shared, this is entirely written in the Dutch language. But, if you are interested, it can be translated and even searched for names you are interested in. Kathy Cardoza Coordinator, Azores GenWeb ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots?
I had been intrigued with the dna studies as well as possible jewish connection through my de Castro Cardosa line...my paternal grandmother from Pico. I don't know what the jewish haplotype is but my grandmother was a U5.from the hinterlands of Finland and the Sami peopleI have her line back in Candelaria to the early 1600'sI guess no jewish there although that line certainly practiced cousin marriage! I do like building my genealogical DNA library...I have 3 lines now and hope to add another soon! Nancy Jean Pico, Furtado, Cardosa, de Castro, Silva Sao Jorge, de Lemos, de Sousa Pereira, Texeira Baptista, da Silveira, Viterino Bettencourt, Viera, Oliveira Santa Maria, Cabral, Moreira, Travassos From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:11:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Catholic or Jewish Roots? To: azores@googlegroups.com I think the DNA studies say about 20% of the Portuguese population has Jewish blood (I'd have to find the studies). Those are scientific studies. Our DNA study fluctuates between 12 - 20% Jewish. Currently we have 20.6% in a Jewish haplogroup. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work
Sam, Your link is interesting.it mentions so many nationalities working in the mines...no Portuguese even mentioned. I can only imagine the levels of toxicity in a cinnebar mine! I wonder what the life expectancy of the miners was at the time. Nancy Jean From: sam...@surewest.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:43:15 -0700 Eric and Mary, In case you are interested, I found this information that might have something to do with my granddad’s mining work….. http://www.historysanjose.org/neighborhoods/newalmaden/index.html Sam in Maz From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of eric edgar Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:36 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Sam, Over the hills from Milpitas to me means following Calaveras Road east into the Diablo Range south of Livermore, This has long been a mining district. Coal was mined at Tesla and Corral Hollow, Magnesite at the Red Mountain district farther south. Magnesite is used in steel and rubber production. It could have also meant the New Almaden quicksilver mines south of San Jose. Mercurey Sulfide (Cinnabar) has been mined here since 1845. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Sam Koester wrote: I don't think this is too off subjectMy father told me his dad used to walk "over the hill" to the mines. At this point in time they lived in either Milpitas (San Jose, CA area). I think, from the back of my mind, that it was a sulfur mine. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bordi Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:59 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brokers/Jobers, how immigrants found work Regarding Brokers and Jobbers-- I got an broadsheet published by Murray and Ready, SF California in August 1905 that advertised (their words not mine) "White male help of all kinds furnished free of charge". It was issued four times daily and I imagine posted various places for people to see and sent to outlying areas, perhaps. All sorts of jobs were listed by category, such as waiters, blacksmiths, cooks, laborers, ranch hands, Saw mills, boys, married help etc. Something that might have appealed to our Azorean ancestors might be: Man run gang plow s. Joaquin Co. $1.25 day bd 4 Teamsters 2 horses Solano Co $1.50 fare Hay baler JM press 50c fare 14ctn Boy milk 3 cows and work on ranch 50c fare Milker 24-28 cows run hand separator feed etc. Merced Co fare 4.25 Farmer and wife 5 people to cook for $45 fd There were also city jobs and railroad jobs. Another broadsheet, undated, was a "Special list of corporations, syndicates, trusts and banking corporations jobs" (all labor, not office) and had this ad in Spanish, German, Greek, French, Italian and Portuguese: "Do you want secure and steady work? We need 100 Portuguese in 5 states and 2 territories, including all counties in California. If you want to work see Murray & Ready." At the bottom of each ad it said "In 1902 we found jobs for 45,000 men". Since we were on the subject I thought this might interest some folks. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://gr
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ellis Island records
Greetings and welcome Tomas !!! Have you looked in Ancestry.com immigration records? Nancy Jean Baptista researching Fayal for Domingos Abreu and Louisa Goulart connectionsFlamengos, Fayal > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:41:31 -0800 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ellis Island records > From: tomasl...@comcast.net > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > I know my grandfather came to the U.S. through Ellis Island in 1905, > and I know he travelled from Faial with a boyhood buddy. In scouring > the Ellis Island records, I found the ship manifest but only the > buddy's name, not my grandfather's name. > > I know I have the correct ship manifest because each passenger's U.S. > destination shows on the manifest and this information matches for my > grandfather's friend. I went through the manifest carefully, aware > that spellings could be off because of misunderstandings between > immigrants and immigration or ship officials who spoke only English. > I'm also aware that some immigrants were given "American names" when > they entered, often against their will or without their knowledge. > None of these issues explain the absence of my grandfather's name on > the manifest. > > Does anyone know other ways I might be able to track down an accurate > listing of my grandfather's entry? > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help while you do your research - Victor incentive
Hi E, I have some time these days...have you searched the CCA records for Teceira and if so which ones and I'll search the others. Nancy Jean Baptista > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:03:39 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help while you do your research - Victor > incentive > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Hermano, > > Thank you for the reply. I do have this info on Belmira here in the > US. I am trying to find her baptism record somewhere in the Azores. > > "E" > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas
Merriest of Christmas to all of you and yours with a 2011 filled with health and blessings. Nancy Jean >From the chilly Ozark Mountains of northwest Arkansas. From: cakemom...@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:44:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas To: azores@googlegroups.com Wishing all of you and your families a very Merry Christmas and the most prosperous of New Years. Mary Ann >From rainy Northern California In a message dated 12/21/2010 12:40:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jojo8...@comcast.net writes: Wishing all the Merriest of Christmas' and a very Happy and Healthy New Year from snowy and very cold Fall River, MA. Many thanks to all of you for your help this year. Joanne Perry Souza - Original Message - From: "Michelle" To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:14:08 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Christmas Merry Christmas to all from rainy San Diego, California. Michelle Morin-Boles -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores
Hi Al, Your grandmothers name as Anna Lourenco born in Santa Cruz doesn't match but..I remember that you have a Pico connection and I seem to remember that possibly it was to Candelaria and/or Sao Mateus. Cardinal Jose da Costa da Nunes was born in Candelaria. His "mansion" there has a wall around it that you have to go through to go up onto the veranda and the door. It's very elegant. Is there a "mansion associated with a Cardinal similar to that on Flores? I ask because your story is familiar to my grandmothers. She was from Candelaria but they came to New Bedford in 1907. Her maternal greatuncle was Cardinal da Nunes. They told a story of his helping with education for family members and the "mansion" that he lived in when he came back to Pico where he is buried in the sarcophagus in the church in Candelaria. Could there be a connection? Nancy Jean Baptista From: bigal...@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:12:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardinals living in Flores To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Eric My father was Manuel J. Sequeira born 1891 New Bedford MA. When he was the age for schooling he was sent to Flores for private tutoring. My cousin say he stayed at my grandmother's uncles place. She says that this uncle was a Cardinal who had his own crest and lived in a mansion. My grandmother was Anna Lourenco born 1872 in Santa Crus Flores. The church that they used was Sao Pedro in Ponta DelGarda Flores. Her godfather was Reverend Vicar Jose Maria Da Silveira Ecclesiastic Listener of this Council And Godmother was Dona Maria Margaride De Crotona Borges. Al Sequeira On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, wrote: Hi Cheri I do not have the uncle's name. He supposedly lived in a big house with a stone fence and pillars that you went through to get to the house. He also had some kind of crest associated with him. Al Sequeira In a message dated 11/23/2010 11:53:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Al, "A History of the Azores Islands" names the only two: Jose da Costa Nunes and Humberto de Sousa Medeiros (pp. 454-455). Neither Cardinal was born on Flores or retired there. I checked the Bishops section and didn't find any in that time period either. Could this uncle have been a priest and the story was changed? Do you have the uncle's name? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fee for receiving package in Azores?
There is no fee to the recipient for sending giftswe do it every Christmas..via US postal service...one time we had a store direct ship some merchandise to a friend on Pico and they had to pay a fee since it was new merchandise sent from a store.we had several things sent that we ended up reimbursing the fees our friends had to pay. Since then we just take things with us when we go over in the summer. So far 3 bikes and cast iron skillets plus regular household needs! Nancy Jean From: kmacard...@mac.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fee for receiving package in Azores? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 06:40:29 -0800 To: azores@googlegroups.com I am forwarding this question. Anyone know the answer for this person? I would guess that, as long as he put enough postage on it, there would be no fee . but I'm not sure. Kathy Begin forwarded message: Does anyone know about any kind of a "fee" that must be paid by the RECEIVER of a package in the Azores, Sao Miguel specifically? We would like to send a small Christmas package to a new found "primo" but we do not want that person to have to pay anything when they pick up the package. Rick in Taunton, MA ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Amalia Rodrigues -
Thank you so much for the link.listening to her was a bright spot in my day! Nancy Jean Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:30:02 + From: danandma...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Amalia Rodrigues - Imagine my surprise when I get in my car and Amalia is singing on the radio. This is an interesting story on NPR. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130357207 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130357207 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de Borba and da Silva from Vila Nova, Terceira
Sam, Did you figure this out? Let me know if notI'm happy to help. Nancy > From: sam...@surewest.net > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de Borba and da Silva from Vila Nova, > Terceira > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:06:02 -0700 > > I have not seen the site pg.azores.gov.pt before and when I went there > couldn't figure out how to find any records. Could you explain the "clicks" > necessary to get to the records? Thanks in advance, Sam in CA > > -Original Message- > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > casa28 > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:00 AM > To: Azores Genealogy > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de Borba and da Silva from Vila Nova, > Terceira > > So I went to pg.azores.gov.pt and looked through other towns and found a > marriage record of Narciso Coelho da Rocha and Rita Candida da Silva in > Altares. They married in 1873. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport information
Greetings, I would think that Horta port would be closer and more convenient for people leaving Sao Jorge since it's much closer by boat than going over to Angra. Nancy Jean From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 18:47:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport information To: azores@googlegroups.com Karen, One day, they will have all 3 ports online. No one seems to know the timeline for this though. GENERALLY, someone would leave from the port closest to home. So, the port of Ponta Delgada has a lot of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria people. However, if someone had to leave soon, they may have gone to the port where the next ship was leaving. I've worked a lot with Ponta Delgada records and I do see an occasional Sao Jorge person. But, GENERALLY, I'd think that Sao Jorge people would most likely leave from the Angra port. I believe that port is closer than the Horta port. Yes, they would need a passaporte. No, it wasn't possible to leave without one. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia
Greetings Group, Just an update regarding finding Annie's descendants. When I called Wed. and got the recording I left my name and message that I lived in Arkansas and would like to speak to Frank Gracie...(I pronounced it GRAHCYhe says GRAYCY)...no other info regarding my reason for calling. He didn't call me back so last night I called him again and he was waiting for my call. (He'd googled me! Found out I was an artist in Ar.not too scary) I began by saying that his grandmother, Annie and my grandfather, John were siblingshis response was "OHwow!"...and it went very well from there. He knew nothing of my families existencehe knew there was some kind of a link to the Baptiste name but he didn't know what it was.he and his father both use the name Frank S. Gracie..he and his dad never knew for sure what the S. stood for! They just used it because of Annie's husband, Frank S. senior..he said his father thought it might stand for Silva or Soares and I was able to confirm that it is Soares and that his grandfather came from Sao Jorge in 1905 as a boarder to Annie's mothers rooming house and got her pregnant when she was 16 and married he when she was 17 a few days before Mary, the first of their 5 children was born.he had no idea! He also said that his father, Frank thought the family name might really be Gracia but they weren't sure! ( I think Azoreans prefer "E to A" since my family went from Baptista to Baptiste and his from Gracia to Gracie) The family left New Bedford for Dartmouth in 1927 and have been Gracie ever since. He confirmed that Annie's youngest daughter, Dorothy, b. 1930, is still alive, married and summering in Nova Scotia but lives in Mass. I'm hoping to talk with her. There are female descendants from Annie's 4 daughters so hopefully sometime in the future I will be able to have Catarina's MTDNAOne of these is a young genealogist and he's putting us in touch! I asked him if he might have an old photo's of his grandmother, Annie or her parentshe said he has a couple of boxes of old stuff in the attic but doesn't know if there might be any photos. I hope Dorothy or some of the children will have a picture of Caterina, Antonio and Annie and John.just a long shot but I so much would love to see them. The greatest piece of info he had was regarding my grandfather, John.since my dad and uncle were estranged from him I have no idea what he looked like or where he is interredat one point in our conversation Frank said..."Oh, that explains who that is buried in our family plot..his name is John Baptiste" Wowhe's going to go to the cemetary and take pictures for me and who knows he might even find Antonio.I think Caterina was buried at Mt. Carmel instead of St. Johns.not sure. So he was as pleased to hear from me as I was to find him and we will remain in touch via email etc..we were both born in 19496 months apart. I told him a bit about Caterina's connection to King Afonso VI and some of her other illustrious ancestors and also a bit about Antonio's connection to noble families in eons past. He said he'd never had any previous interest in genealogy but as he's gotten older he's realized that it's important to know where and who you come from for self understanding and that this whet his interest. He had no idea which islands his ancestors were from. We talked for a good hour and could have gone on longer but my voice was wearing out!..so again, my sincerest thanks to all of you who have helped me so very much..you are my truest Azorean family. Nancy Jean From: tnkra...@roadrunner.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:33:37 -0700 I LOVE to hear stuff like this!!! Good luck Nancy ~ hope he is the right person and he will be helpful to you!! J Tracy From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:57 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia Oh my gosh..I just saw this and googled as you suggested! I'm amazed to think it might be possible to talk with this missing family link. I'll keep you posted. "E", you have helped me so much the last few years! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Nancy Jean > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:52:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy Jean, > > Don't know if you got my message I sent to your email address. If you > google Frank S. Gracie, Dartmouth, you will info for Frank S. 3rd or > 4th, who apparently is living. I would call/write
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia
I'm having one of those high anxiety momentsat least as high as my low-key nature gets! I googled him- I called and got a recording... I left my name and # and said I'd also try back later OMG, I never would have imagined finding Annie's offsprings children! We'll see if he calls. > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:52:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy Jean, > > Don't know if you got my message I sent to your email address. If you > google Frank S. Gracie, Dartmouth, you will info for Frank S. 3rd or > 4th, who apparently is living. I would call/write him and see what he > has to say about the family. There are also some family obit, etc. > posted using google. Use www.switchboard.com to find phone # and > address. > > "E" > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia
Oh my gosh..I just saw this and googled as you suggested! I'm amazed to think it might be possible to talk with this missing family link. I'll keep you posted. "E", you have helped me so much the last few years! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Nancy Jean > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:52:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy Jean, > > Don't know if you got my message I sent to your email address. If you > google Frank S. Gracie, Dartmouth, you will info for Frank S. 3rd or > 4th, who apparently is living. I would call/write him and see what he > has to say about the family. There are also some family obit, etc. > posted using google. Use www.switchboard.com to find phone # and > address. > > "E" > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia
Dear Michelle, Eric, Pam and "E", Thank you all for your information. Michelle, special thanks for the time you spent helping me with this research. I know how much time it took you to retrieve all of this information!!! I've spent the last few years researching CCA records and spent less time researching in this country. It's obvious to me now that I don't know HOW to research correctly on Ancestry. I spent 2 days looking for this info and never found it..I always put in New Bedford and perhaps that was the problem although it showed up other cities just not the right ones! Perhaps I shouldn't have said New Bedford. I did see a record for a person that I though was Frank senior but since the wife was different I thought it was wrong. maybe I can locate it again since now I think it must have been his second wife. I can't believe Annie died at 41 "after a long illness" Now I need to find her death record and see what killed her...I know her Mom, my GGrandmother, Caterina Cabral Baptista/e, died of diabetes at 71. It's interesting that these records have the names so differently. Also, yesterday I tried a brief search on Diario do Noticias..I had NO luck at all and you found a lot! Did you just put in the family name with no dates? The change from Gracia to Gracie to Garcia is confusing to say the least! Now my question, since I've never searched "forward" will it be possible to locate any of the existing family through online records or is this as far as I can go? I never even knew this line of the family existed since my Dad and Uncle were estranged from their father and his family and Annie's mother and father were both dead before Dad and Uncle Johnny were born. Again my sincerest thanks for giving me such a large piece of this family puzzle! Also, since Annie had 4 daughters it may be possible in the future to have Caterina's MTDNA! Wow...that would be an amazing addition to my family "DNA library"! Best regards, Nancy Jean From: mori...@cts.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:13:32 -0700 Hello Nancy, As Elaine pointed out you may find some of their records with the spelling of their name differently than you know. As you can see from below there are some records with it spelled Garcia & Gracie. Marriage record: Names on record shown as Anna C. Baptiste (age 17) & Frank S. Gracie (age 24), married on 2/6/1911 in New Bedford. Frank was a Carpenter & Anna was at home. First marriage for both. Frank born in St. George & Anna in New Bedford. His parents shown as: Joseph S. & Anna R. (Silvia). Her parents: Antone F. & Katherine (Cabral). They were married by Priest, A.P. Vieira. NEHGS Vol: 602 ; Page: 286 Anna C. Baptista, born 2/81895 in New Bedford to Antone & Catrina B. Cabral. Father was a Mill Operative born in the Azores. Mother born in St. Mary's, Azores. NEHGS Vol: 448 ; Page: 239 Mary Gracia shown as Maria S. Garcia born 2/24/1911 in New Bedford to Francisco & Annie (Baptista). Francisco was a Carpenter at the time. Shows Francisco born in St. George & Annie in New Bedford. NEHGS Vol: 598 ; Page: 329 Annie Gracia shown as Anna Gracia born 4/25/1912 in New Bedford to Frank S. & Anna C. (Baptiste). Frank was a Carpenter. Shows Frank born in the Azores and Anna born in New Bedford. NEHGS Vol: 606 ; Page: 357 Regret Lillian & Frank, Jr's birth records arent on NEHGS yet because they only go to 1915 at this point. Article/Notice: Diario do Noticias newspaper on line at UMass Dartmouth dated 3/8/1941 mentioning Frank S. Garcia (Jr's) name, living at 22 Cottage Street joining the Military. Article/Notice: Diario do Noticias newspaper dated 1/8/1951 ... It mentions a "New Nurse" at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. She is the daughter of Frank S. Garcia. See directly below in Portuguese: NOVA ENFERMEIRA Acaba de tirar o curso de enfermeira interna, no Massachusetts General Hospital, em Boston, Miss Dorothy Garcia, filha do sr. Frank S. Garcia, de 22 Cottage St., So. Dartmouth. Notices: Well it looks like they had another daughter which would be Dorothy. Dorothy wasn't mentioned in the 1930 Census because it was dated April 18, 1930 & she was born 4/23/1930. Her birth notice is directly below... Notices: Diario do Noticias dated May 3 & May 5, 1930. De uma Creança do sexo feminino filha de Frank S. Garcia e Anna Baptista, South Dartmouth, nascida a 23 de Abril; Obit: Ana Baptista Garcia - October 7, 1936 - Died October 6, 1936 Na sua casa da rua Cottage, 22, South Dartmouth, faleceu ontem, depois de longa doença, a sra. Ana Baptista Garcia, esposa do sr. Frank S. Garcia e mãe de Frank S. Garcia Jr., Mary, Ana, Liliana e Dorothy Garcia todos de South Dartmouth. A extinta contava 41 anos o era natural de New Bedford e ha 10 que vivia naquela localidade e era paroquiana da igreja de Santa Maria de Padanaram. E
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gracia
Hi "E", I have no idea if they stayed in the US.I've checked Gracia and Grace and I'll look for them as Garcia. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know if they stayed in Mass. or anything else about them. I was hoping maybe someone on the list had one of the children as a grandparent but no luck! Thanks, Nancy > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:14:59 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gracia > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy, > > Do you know for sure if they remained in the US? You might also check > under Garcia. My husband had a very good friend here in CA named Bill > Gracia and sometimes people spelled his name Garcia which did not make > him too happy. > > "E" > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gracia
Thanks Eugenia, It's a beautiful name. I've searched most of today for more clues to where they went after 1926 but they've disappeared! Best regards, Nancy > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:01:41 -0700 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gracia > From: eugenia...@yahoo.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Nancy, > > I check my database on Portuguese Names and Their Meanings and found > the following on GRACIA: I hope this helps with your research. > Eugenia > > Grácia - > > Feminine name. > > Grácia - This is a name commonly used in Portuguese and Brazilian > Portuguese. > Given name. > Information is from: > BASIC PORTUGUESE PALEOGRAPHY, The Genealogical Department of the > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Series II, No., 20, 1978, > page 24. > > Gracia - Anglicized (English). Garcia - Portuguese family name. > Information is from: > Carlos Almeida, PORTUGUESE IMMIGRANTS, Published by: The Supreme > Council of U.P.E.C., San Leandro, CA,1978, page 272. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia
Thanks Eric for the additional info regarding them. I'll continue to look for records for any of the children and parents but I haven't seen death records or anything else. Is there a way to verify if someone left the country and went back to the Azores? Seems unlikely, but why are there no traces of them in the 1930 census.. Nancy Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:33:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia From: noblankt...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy, The New Bedford city directory shows Frank and Annie Gracia at 100 Fruit street in 1925 and 1926. but not in 1927. His WW1 draft shows him as Frank Soars Gracie b. 1886 at 101 Fruit St Eric E On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Greetings Group, I'm searching for information regarding the Gracia family. I have them located in the 1920 census but can't find a trace of any of them after that census. Any help is appreciated. Father is: Frank (Francisco) S. Gracia born in the Azores in 1886 and arrived in New Bedford in 1905 Mother is:Annie B. Graciaborn in New Bedford in 1895 Known children: Mary GraciaNew Bedford around 1912 Annie Gracia New Bedford around 1913 Lillian Gracia New Bedford around 1917 Frank S. Gracia Jr. New Bedford around 1918 Thank you, Nancy Jean Baptista Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Gracia
Greetings Group, I'm searching for information regarding the Gracia family. I have them located in the 1920 census but can't find a trace of any of them after that census. Any help is appreciated. Father is: Frank (Francisco) S. Gracia born in the Azores in 1886 and arrived in New Bedford in 1905 Mother is:Annie B. Graciaborn in New Bedford in 1895 Known children: Mary GraciaNew Bedford around 1912 Annie Gracia New Bedford around 1913 Lillian Gracia New Bedford around 1917 Frank S. Gracia Jr. New Bedford around 1918 Thank you, Nancy Jean Baptista _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passionada on VHS tape
Hi Cheri, Couldn't we pass it along within the group as requested each person mailing it to the next that would like to see it. I'd like to see it but I don't need to keep it! Nancy From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:17:13 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passionada on VHS tape To: Azores@googlegroups.com I have obtained a copy of the movie Passionada that I will give away for the price of mailing it. More about the movie here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285879/ It's more of a "B" movie. They don't use Portuguese names (or first names, maybe they used the correct surnames, I can't remember). There's some cultural goofs (the teenager calls her grandma "Granny" or something - not Vovo). But there are some great shots of New Bedford and a festa (may be Feast of the Blessed Sacrament at Madeira field in New Bedford). There's some fado singing too, but I don't know how authentic that is either. First person to email me gets it. Thanks, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A true hero: Aristides de Sousa Mendes!!!
Eliseu, Thank you for sending this. Nancy From: eliseuman...@sapo.pt To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A true hero: Aristides de Sousa Mendes!!! Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:33:40 + Just to your knowledge! Contact: Miguel Ávila, Assistant Editor, The Portuguese Tribune Website: http://www.portuguesetribune.com/ SF Bay Area Remembers “Angel of Bordeaux” Aristides de Sousa Mendes San José, California, June 6, 2010 – "I would rather stand with God against man, than with man against God." This famous quote belongs to Consul General of Portugal in Bordeaux, France, Aristides de Sousa Mendes, who in nine days in June 1940 saved 30,000 World War II refugees, among them over 10,000 Jews, who were fleeing Nazi-occupied territories. Prior to his assignment in Bordeaux, Sousa Mendes served as Consul General of Portugal in San Francisco from 1921 to 1924. The Bay Area Portuguese-American community will be honoring the “Angel of Bordeaux” with a placement of a wreath at the Portuguese Consulate, 3298 Washington Street, San Francisco, CA on Thursday, June 17, 2010 at 10 AM celebrating the 70th anniversary of Sousa Mendes’ act of defiance against his superiors, a true Act of Conscience. An art exhibit and reception will follow at the Portuguese Consulate. Artists Nathan Oliveira, John Mattos, Maxine Olson, João de Brito, Maria Pavão-Hadsell, Roberto Ávila, and Sousa Mendes’ own grandson Sebastian Mendes are confirmed. The event is hosted by the Consul General of Portugal, António Costa Moura, the Portuguese Fraternal Society of America, and The Portuguese Tribune. Confirmed guests include the Consul General of Israel, the Office of the Mayor of San Francisco, and members of the Sousa Mendes family. The event is open to the public. Special intention Masses and other events are planned throughout the world. At the Vatican, Their Eminences William Cardinal Levada, Claudio Cardinal Hummes, and Renato Raffaele Cardinal Martino will concelebrate a Thanksgiving Mass at the Church of Santa Maria di Transpontina on June 17 in Sousa Mendes’ honor. Special Masses will be said at the cathedrals of Lisbon and Braga in Portugal and other events will take place in Paris and Bordeaux in France, São Paulo, Fortaleza, and São Salvador da Bahia in Brazil, Newark, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Montreal, Canada, and San José, CA where a special Mass will be said on Sunday, June 13, 2010 at 11 AM at Five Wounds Portuguese National Church, 1375 East Santa Clara Street, during the celebration of the Day of Portugal. Aristides de Sousa Mendes was born on July 19, 1885 in Cabanas de Viriato, district of Viseu, Portugal, to a rural aristocratic and devout Catholic family. After completing his law degree at the University of Coimbra, he pursue along with his twin brother César, a diplomatic career. Bordeaux was not the first assignment where Sousa Mendes fought for his convictions. At age 55 nearly reaching the end of his diplomatic career and the father of 14 children, Sousa Mendes put his life and those of his family at risk by disobeying dictator António de Oliveira Salazar’s strict orders not to issue any visas to Jews and foreigners of unknown origin. In the end, he lost his diplomatic career, could not exercise law, had to surrender his foreign-issued driver’s license, was stripped of his pension, suffered a stroke that left him partially paralyzed, lost his wife Maria Angelina in 1948, lost his children to emigration, and died in poverty on April 3, 1954. Two days after his death, his twin brother César received a handwritten note from Salazar with only two words on it: “My condolences.” In 2007, Sousa Mendes was selected in a Portuguese TV program as the third Greatest Portuguese of all time. What is less known about Aristides de Sousa Mendes is that he was Consul General of Portugal in San Francisco between October 15, 1921 and 1924 when he was assigned to Maranhão, Brazil. His ninth and tenth children, Carlos and Sebastião, were born in Berkeley on February 11, 1922 and San Francisco on October 7, 1923 respectively. Carlos died on June 4, 1999 in Los Angeles and Sebastião died on December 17, 2006 in Scottsdale, Arizona. Both brothers opted for US Citizenship and served in the U.S. Army in Europe during World War II. In 1950, Sousa Mendes’ 13th child, John Paul Abranches, who was born in Louvain, Belgium in 1932, immigrated to the United States, joined the Army, and moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. He died on February 5, 2009 in Antioch, CA, at age 78. His daughter Teresinha lives in the San Joaquin Valley. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue are
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Brides name?
Hi Rick, It doesn't look like "Pacheca to me because there is an "i" in it.it looks like "Maria da ?" Nancy >From Eureka Springs, Arkansas rainy and under 90! From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is Brides name? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:28:41 -0400 Hi All, Looking at this record I want to say the brides name is “Maria Pacheca” but it just does not look right. It is the record on the left. Thanks from Epping, NH where it is a hot 99 degrees out today. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine
Also, a good wine from Pico is the Friar Gigante.Lajido is the wine that was sent to the Czar's and kings at the time it was in full production and you can still buy it on Pico. Very good honey colored wine. I wish we could buy Pico or Portuguese wines in Arkansas! Nancy Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:28:02 + From: danandma...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine It is a dessert liqueur. Not wine. As for Azorean table wines, there is one from Pico called Basalto that is a very nice red. Otherwise, seek wines from the mainland (Douro, Alentejo, Dao regions). Summer is ideal for vinhos verdes. Some are produced rather cheaply and over-carbonated (Gatao, Lagosta, and Mateus are in this category). Really nice one, not expensive, served very cold is Casal Garcia. Probably the best quality vinho verde is Palacio da Brejoeira. You'll pay a little more but it is great quality. Here in Nashville, it has taken us a while to educate various wine stores to get these wines in but they are finally catching on and everyone is happier. Maria Moore - Original Message - From: "Cheri Mello" To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:52:11 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]Portuguese wine Linda, Maracuja is a dessert wine. It's made from passion fruit, I believe. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended!
Thanks for the info Rick. I went ahead and ordered the Y-37 + mt-dna.I only had Y-25 done on my brother so we'll see what this additional Y test on my fathers line reveals. Meanwhile I really want my paternal grandmothers mt-dna and this is the only way to get it since there are no female offspring by her. My Uncle is in great shape but he is 86 years old. Regards, Nancy From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:16:19 -0400 Hi Nancy, Every one caries the Mt-DNA from their mother but only daughters can pass it on. Your Uncle carries the MT-DNA from his mother (Your Grandmother). You can test him for MT- DNA only. Any MT-DNA test will be fine, there are no special tests for male for female testing of MT-DNA it is the same test. I do not think the MT-DNA test is on sale but the web site says it is $149 for the MT-DNA plus test (tests HVR1 & HVR2). Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:34 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Hi Rick, This is what I'm trying to figure out. I figured my Uncle Johns Y-DNA will be the same as my brothers but it's my Uncles MT-DNA that I want so I can have my paternal grandmothers MT-DNA. But I don't see a test here for MT-DNA ONLY for a male...am I missing something? My grandmother, Maria de Castro Cardoza Baptista had only 2 sons and my Dad is deceased and my Uncles 86 so I thought I'd better test it while I can. I'd much rather pay for only his MT-DNA if possible. Is it? The only other thing would be that this is a Y-37I had Y-37 done on my brother and if this was Y-67 with my-dna it would really give me additional info but it isn't! I appreciate all feedback since I only have til midnight to get this order submitted unless I wait til Dec. Thanks for the help, Nancy Jean From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:48:38 -0400 Hi Nancy, I see no need to test your uncle’s Y-DNA as it should be the same as your brothers. By testing your uncles Mt-DNA you will get your grandmothers line DNA. This is more important especially if you have no Aunts or daughters of your aunts. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:52 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Hi Cheri, Before I place my order I want to be sure that I know what I'm doing. I've had my MTDNA tested which gives my mothers female line.I've had my brothers YDNA tested which gives my fathers male line.since my father is deceased I've asked his brother, my 86 yr old uncle to take the test.if I order the Y-DNA 37 with mtDNA, will I find out my paternal grandmothers female line DNA? Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:02:49 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! To: Azores@googlegroups.com The sale has now been extended through June 30th 11:59pm CDT. Cheri On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >From Family Tree DNA: Y-DNA 37 markers is on sale for $119 (regularly $149) Y-DNA 67 markers is on sale for $199 (regularly $239) Y-DNA 37 + mtDNA (basic) is on sale for $159 (regularly $238) You need to be a male to take the above DNA tests. Order here to get the sale price: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands The sale is for any kit ordered through Family Tree DNA, so if you are researching your Cunningham line and had someone to take the DNA test, yes, the sale price would apply to him too. If you need to know how to find another project, just go to www.ftdna.com and type your surname into the search field on the right. Sale ends Friday, June 25th at 11:59 pm CDT. Cheri Mello & Rick Pimentel Family Tree DNA Administrators Azores Project -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azo
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended!
Cheri, Do they ever do Y-67 + mt-dna? I don't remember ever seeing it on sale? I'll go to the site and check on pricing to have just mt-dna done on Uncle Johnny unless I can get Y-67 since I've had Y-37 on my brother. I appreciate the help! Nancy From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:48:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy, MtDNA is not on sale by itself. Only the combo kits with mtDNA + Y-DNA. And selected Y-DAN kits. You can order mtDNA by itself. They don't put those on sale very often at all (by themselves). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended!
Hi Rick, This is what I'm trying to figure out. I figured my Uncle Johns Y-DNA will be the same as my brothers but it's my Uncles MT-DNA that I want so I can have my paternal grandmothers MT-DNA. But I don't see a test here for MT-DNA ONLY for a male...am I missing something? My grandmother, Maria de Castro Cardoza Baptista had only 2 sons and my Dad is deceased and my Uncles 86 so I thought I'd better test it while I can. I'd much rather pay for only his MT-DNA if possible. Is it? The only other thing would be that this is a Y-37I had Y-37 done on my brother and if this was Y-67 with my-dna it would really give me additional info but it isn't! I appreciate all feedback since I only have til midnight to get this order submitted unless I wait til Dec. Thanks for the help, Nancy Jean From: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:48:38 -0400 Hi Nancy, I see no need to test your uncle’s Y-DNA as it should be the same as your brothers. By testing your uncles Mt-DNA you will get your grandmothers line DNA. This is more important especially if you have no Aunts or daughters of your aunts. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of nancy jean baptiste Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:52 PM To: azores group Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! Hi Cheri, Before I place my order I want to be sure that I know what I'm doing. I've had my MTDNA tested which gives my mothers female line.I've had my brothers YDNA tested which gives my fathers male line.since my father is deceased I've asked his brother, my 86 yr old uncle to take the test.if I order the Y-DNA 37 with mtDNA, will I find out my paternal grandmothers female line DNA? Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:02:49 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! To: Azores@googlegroups.com The sale has now been extended through June 30th 11:59pm CDT. Cheri On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >From Family Tree DNA: Y-DNA 37 markers is on sale for $119 (regularly $149) Y-DNA 67 markers is on sale for $199 (regularly $239) Y-DNA 37 + mtDNA (basic) is on sale for $159 (regularly $238) You need to be a male to take the above DNA tests. Order here to get the sale price: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands The sale is for any kit ordered through Family Tree DNA, so if you are researching your Cunningham line and had someone to take the DNA test, yes, the sale price would apply to him too. If you need to know how to find another project, just go to www.ftdna.com and type your surname into the search field on the right. Sale ends Friday, June 25th at 11:59 pm CDT. Cheri Mello & Rick Pimentel Family Tree DNA Administrators Azores Project -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended!
Hi Cheri, Before I place my order I want to be sure that I know what I'm doing. I've had my MTDNA tested which gives my mothers female line.I've had my brothers YDNA tested which gives my fathers male line.since my father is deceased I've asked his brother, my 86 yr old uncle to take the test.if I order the Y-DNA 37 with mtDNA, will I find out my paternal grandmothers female line DNA? Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:02:49 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Update: Family Tree DNA's Sizzling Summer Sale Now Extended! To: Azores@googlegroups.com The sale has now been extended through June 30th 11:59pm CDT. Cheri On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: >From Family Tree DNA: Y-DNA 37 markers is on sale for $119 (regularly $149) Y-DNA 67 markers is on sale for $199 (regularly $239) Y-DNA 37 + mtDNA (basic) is on sale for $159 (regularly $238) You need to be a male to take the above DNA tests. Order here to get the sale price: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands The sale is for any kit ordered through Family Tree DNA, so if you are researching your Cunningham line and had someone to take the DNA test, yes, the sale price would apply to him too. If you need to know how to find another project, just go to www.ftdna.com and type your surname into the search field on the right. Sale ends Friday, June 25th at 11:59 pm CDT. Cheri Mello & Rick Pimentel Family Tree DNA Administrators Azores Project -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching PORTO FORMOSO - Confirmation
Please take me off the list also. Nancy Jean Baptista From: eliseuman...@sapo.pt To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching PORTO FORMOSO - Confirmation Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:51:09 + PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOUR NAME IS CORRECT Azores Google Group members list researching PORTO FORMOSO: Eliseu Pacheco da Silva John Miranda Raposo Earl Medeiros Gilbert Pacheco Rapoza Madeline Rose Fagundes Hill Cheri Mello Marjorie Howes Perry Margie Wicks Frago Brewer Mary Ann Santos Carleton H. Landers Jacki Gentry Helen Salvador Stanley Perry Jr. Manuel César Furtado Kennmeth E. Correa Frances Azevedo Gardner Sallie Azevedo Clement Howard Keith da Costa Vasconcellos Pimental Janice Perry Cheryl … Sherry Soares Leo M. Cutcher Larry Parreira Kate Borges-Bledsoe Madeline Hill Nancy Jean Baptista George Pacheco Hermano C. Pires Margaret Vicente – not researching…misunderstood the text Sam Koester– not researching…misunderstood the text Patricia Louise Anselmo Nostrome – not researching…misunderstood the text Judi Chaves Phillips – not researching…misunderstood the text Laura O’Connell – not researching…misunderstood the text Linda Borges Furtado Norton– not researching…misunderstood the text Maria Tavares Moore – not researching…misunderstood the text Joanne Grota Mercier – not researching…misunderstood the text -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching PORTO FORMOSO
Nancy Jean Baptista From: eliseuman...@sapo.pt To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching PORTO FORMOSO Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:56:38 + Hi Group, In order to make contacting and information sharing easier please answer to this mail just with your name. It would be very useful to us to have an organized list. Thank you in advance, eliseu -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
FW: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] FW: Cabral and Travassoss Cousin Club List
This is the complete list to date that Mary Ann Santos put together. > From: m...@nyu.edu > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:32:10 -0700 > Subject: Re: RE: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] FW: Cabral and Travassoss Cousin > Club List > > Here's the list in alphabetical order for quick viewing:) > > Nancy Jean Baptista 14th grandparents > Iris Cabral Bilodeau > Thomas Decosta > Joao Simoes Lopes Filho > Manoel Cesar Furtado > Maria Moore 17th > George Pacheco 14th > Celeste Perry 18th > Joe Perry 15th > Hermano Pires 13th > Judi Phillips 15th > Richard Francis Pimentel 16th > John Miranda Raposo 16th > Joe Salvador 16th > Mary Ann Santos 14th > Diana Silva 17th > Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 17th > > - Original Message - > From: nancy jean baptiste > Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 3:01 pm > Subject: RE: Res: [AZORES-Genealogy] FW: Cabral and Travassoss Cousin Club > List > To: azores group > > > From: fishsongf...@hotmail.com > > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Cabral and Travassoss Cousin Club List > > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:42:45 -0500 > > > > > > > > I think this is everyone thus far: > > > > > > Iris Cabral Bilodeau > > John Miranda Raposo 16th grandparents > > Manoel Cesar Furtado > > Mary Ann Santos 14th > > Maria Moore 17th > > Celeste Perry 18th > > George Pacheco 14th > > Richard Francis Pimentel 16th > > Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 17th > > Nancy Jean Baptista 14th > > Hermano Pires 13th > > Joe Perry 15th > > Judi Phillips 15th > > Diana Silva 17th > > Joe Salvador 16th > > Thomas Decosta > > > > > > > > Joao Simoes Lopes Filho > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > > inbox. Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > > with Hotmail. Get busy. > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation > > directions when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No > > Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this > > group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area > > on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit > > my membership." > > > > > > > > _ > > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation > > directions when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No > > Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this > > group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue > > area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to > > "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Robin, In my opinion, Joao is a son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and since his brother, Jose uses that name he probably did toobut one of my grandfather's from Sao jorge used a different last name than his brother...but it's probable that he used the same name..Candida is probably, from what I saw in the records, just a second "first" name as Joao said...like Maria de Jesus or Ana Joquina. Candida was popular. Nancy From: beso...@succeed.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:54:25 -0700 Nancy, One more thought - would you think Joao is a da Rocha de Borba? What about Matilde? Since she was Matilde Candida - would Candida be a middle name or last name? If it's a last name then would she be the sister of Ana Candida (the babies mother). Both still being the Uncle and Aunt of different side of the family. I'm just not sure where to put these two in my records. Thank you again, Robin Borba Besotes - Original Message ----- From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba Robin, In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born. Nancy From: beso...@succeed.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:39:01 -0700 Love it! At least he didn't spill his beer! Yes, I'm seeing what your seeing. I'm confused on one part though - here's part of a prior post on Jose (who's married to Ana below) baptism. The items I've highlighted in red are confusing to me. I know this is my GGGrandfather's baptism because I have a delayed Azores baptism (which I can't find at the moment) that speaks of his life threatening condition and why he was baptisted when he was. Matilde and Joao are brother and sister of whom? Is it also saying that the Jose born in 1825 was deceased (basically deceased when his son was born)? :) Robin Borba Besotes Jose, son of Jose da Rocha de Borba and (his wife) Custodia Candida, from the Parish of Sao Bartolomeu dos Regatos of Ilha Terceira (Terceira Island), born in February 10, 1850, he was baptized at home because of life threatening, by me the Vicar bellow mentioned (or signed) on the 21st of the same month and year. He was brought to the Church where I applied all the rituals of the church and the saint oil (sacred oil) and witnessed Joao da Rocha de Borba, and his sister Matilde Candida, son and daughter of Jose da Rocha de Borba already deceased, all resident in this same Parish. I wrote and signed this record Vicar Joao Coelho da Mae de Deus -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba
Hi Carlos and Robin, That's what I remember as well from the original record, those 2 were Jose the fathers siblings. Regarding the Candida name, I looked through the baptisms for your exposto "Gaspar"there are many, many women with the candida name.I think it's one of those names just used over and over, from generation to generation among daughters, cousins et. Similar to my line of ancestors on Pico that used "Felizarda de Castro" for many generationssometimes 4 sisters would have a first name followed by F de Ctwo other things that I noticed in those Teceira baptismal records that I searched for you( I looked from 1861 back to about 1845)there were so many female babies named "Gertrudes" during those years that it was weird! One page had 6 or so baptisms, all girls and all named Gertrudes.I wonder "who" inspired that name for so many years? The other strange thing was that in the Sao Jorge records the "exposto/a" baptisms are mixed in with the othersin the years that I looked for "Gaspar the exposto" in Terceira there were NO "exposto/a's"I find it hard to believe there weren't any...has anyone else noticed this in Teceira or know if they kept a "separate set of books" for those baptisms? I never saw one Gaspar.ligitimate or otherwise in those years. Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:35:44 -0700 From: bremen...@yahoo.com.br Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba To: azores@googlegroups.com Excuse me I dont have the records I translated for you anymore, but if I am not wrong, the those two are brothers Matilde and Joao, and they are Jose´s (the grand father) children. Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA Pesquisando: Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus. --- Em qua, 16/6/10, Besotes escreveu: De: Besotes Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba Para: azores@googlegroups.com Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Junho de 2010, 12:51 Hi Nancy, So you're thinking Jose the grandfather is deceased in the baptism? Grandfather of the baby that is. So, it would make Joao and Matilde the Uncle and Aunt of the baby right? :) Thanks!!! Robin - Original Message - From: nancy jean baptiste To: azores group Sent: 2010-06-16 09:46 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] da Rocha de Borba Robin, In my opinion, Joao and Matilde, are brother and sister of the father (Jose)of the baby(Jose) and they (Jose, Joao and Matilde) are the children of the babies grandfather, Jose, who is dead at the time this baby is born. Nancy -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
