Re: March for Women's Lives

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 11:20 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
>
> > and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway?
> >
> Exactly what trolls do.
With a troll, you have a number of options.  One of those is choosing to
be amused.  I'm trying to go with that one as much as possible this
week.  :)  (Ignoring is another, getting one's panties in a wad is yet
another.)


And, if trolls really are Neanderthals, and Neanderthals really do live 
fast, die young, and leave good-looking cave paintings, then at least you 
can look forward to the day you will finally be rid of the troll . . .



That receptionist comment is rankling a bit, though, due to the
ludicrous incompetency I've heard about in a number of receptionists.
(And had to deal with personally in a rather stressful situation.)


Though to be fair to the other side, anyone in academia knows who really 
runs the department and who to go to when one has any problems or needs 
anything done.  (Hint:  it *ain't* the department chair, who is generally 
just another faculty member who was unlucky enough to get stuck with all 
those pesky extra duties, meetings, and paperwork for a term of several 
years.  Last time I specifically needed the chair, I had to spend the 
better part of an hour first calling various people to find _someone_ who 
had some idea exactly where the meeting he was supposed to be in was being 
held, then going over to that building and interrupting his meeting, which 
left me about ten minutes before class started to do all the other things I 
had to do to set up for class that I had planned to do with that hour . . . )

(And, yes, I realize that in many business situations the "receptionist" is 
a different person from the "secretary," with different duties and probably 
different skills, while in academia if you're lucky enough to have a 
separate person with "receptionist" duties, that person is probably a 
part-time student worker who is primarily doing that to help pay for school 
rather than a full-time employee . . . )

-- Ronn!  :)


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Re: ShrubCo Deletes, Alters Gender Issue Web Data

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 10:56 PM 4/29/04, The Fool wrote:

Key government offices dedicated to addressing the needs of women have
been disbanded, according to the report.


Well, heck, we know that all women need is to find a man and have children 
so they can sit around all day watching soap operas and eating bob-bons . . .

Oink, Oink Maru



-- Ronn!  :)


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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 10:42 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:


But I'd much rather give my kid a magnifying glass than let him spread
the ant poison on the any of the 150 antmounds we have on the property.


If you do that (I am not making a recommendation here), just be sure it is 
a genuine magnifying _glass_, as many of the plastic ones I have 
experimented with¹ appear to not pass enough IR to get something¹ at the 
focal point hot enough to burn.

Of course, this introduces safety issues of its own, such as what may 
happen if he drops it on a hard surface and it shatters . . .

_
¹FWIW, my experiments generally involved materials such as paper or dry 
leaves . . .



-- Ronn!  :)

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Julia Thompson]

Robert Seeberger wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
> 
> > and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway?
> >
> Exactly what trolls do.

With a troll, you have a number of options.  One of those is choosing to
be amused.  I'm trying to go with that one as much as possible this
week.  :)  (Ignoring is another, getting one's panties in a wad is yet
another.)

That receptionist comment is rankling a bit, though, due to the
ludicrous incompetency I've heard about in a number of receptionists. 
(And had to deal with personally in a rather stressful situation.)

Julia
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ShrubCo Deletes, Alters Gender Issue Web Data

[The Fool]

<>

U.S. Deletes, Alters Gender Issue Web Data -Report
Wed Apr 28, 2004 06:13 PM ET 

  
By Deborah Zabarenko 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration has stripped information
on a range of women's issues from government Web sites, apparently in
pursuit of a political agenda, researchers reported on Wednesday. 

"Vital information is being deleted, buried, distorted and has otherwise
gone missing from government Web sites and publications," Linda Basch,
president of the National Council for Research on Women, said in a
telephone interview. 

"Taken cumulatively, this has an enormously negative effect on women and
girls." 

A council report said the missing information fell into four categories:
women's health; their economic status; objective scientific data; and
information aimed at protecting women and girls and helping them advance.


The deletions and alterations appear to hew to a political agenda, rather
than providing the nonpartisan, unbiased data that has been the tradition
of U.S. government reports, the council said. 

Its report cited a fact sheet from the Centers of Disease Control that
focused on the advantages of using condoms to prevent sexually
transmitted disease; it was revised in December 2002 to say evidence on
condoms' effectiveness in curbing these diseases was inconclusive. 

The National Cancer Institute's Web site was changed in 2002 to say
studies linking abortion and breast cancer were inconsistent; after an
outcry from scientists, the institute later amended that to say abortion
is not associated with increased breast cancer risk. 

25 PUBLICATIONS DELETED 

At the Labor Department's Women's Bureau Web site, the report said 25 key
publications on subjects ranging from pay equity to child care to issues
relating to black and Latina women and women business owners had been
deleted with no explanation. 

Key government offices dedicated to addressing the needs of women have
been disbanded, according to the report. These include the Office of
Women's Initiatives and Outreach in the White House and the President's
Interagency Council on Women. 

At the Pentagon, the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services
was slated to be dismantled but was saved after an outcry. However, the
report said this committee now focused on issues such as health care for
servicewomen and the effects of deployment on families, but not on equity
and access issues. 

In the area of scientific objectivity, the report said two advisory
committees recommended the Food and Drug Administration approve a
contraceptive known as Plan B as a nonprescription drug but were blocked
by political pressure from doing so. 

Regarding violence against women, the report said the U.S. attorney
general, as of March 2004, had failed to conduct and publish a study
required under the 2000 Violence Against Women Act to investigate
discrimination against domestic violence victims in getting insurance. 

The White House did not immediately return a call for comment. 



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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives


> and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway?
>
Exactly what trolls do.



xponent

Eel Kime Maru

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14 Traits of the GOP

[The Fool]

<>

Fascism Anyone? Laurence W. Britt 
--
--

The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 23, Number 2.


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Free Inquiry readers may pause to read the “Affirmations of Humanism: A
Statement of Principles” on the inside cover of the magazine. To a
secular humanist, these principles seem so logical, so right, so crucial.
Yet, there is one archetypal political philosophy that is anathema to
almost all of these principles. It is fascism. And fascism’s principles
are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something
else, challenging everything we stand for. The cliché that people and
nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated;
often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions.
Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm.

We are two-and-a-half generations removed from the horrors of Nazi
Germany, although constant reminders jog the consciousness. German and
Italian fascism form the historical models that define this twisted
political worldview. Although they no longer exist, this worldview and
the characteristics of these models have been imitated by protofascist1
regimes at various times in the twentieth century. Both the original
German and Italian models and the later protofascist regimes show
remarkably similar characteristics. Although many scholars question any
direct connection among these regimes, few can dispute their visual
similarities.

Beyond the visual, even a cursory study of these fascist and protofascist
regimes reveals the absolutely striking convergence of their modus
operandi. This, of course, is not a revelation to the informed political
observer, but it is sometimes useful in the interests of perspective to
restate obvious facts and in so doing shed needed light on current
circumstances.

For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following
regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal,
Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. To be
sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures,
developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or
protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power.
Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less
complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible.

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link
them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power.
These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some
regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of
similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent
displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to
show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of
citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans,
pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in
expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of
things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the
objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the
population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most
significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating
as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift
blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions.
The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were
usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts
against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals,
Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members
of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active
opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and
dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always
identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure
that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was
allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The
military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever
possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase
the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexis

Re: March for Women's Lives

[Julia Thompson]

Dave Land wrote:
> 
> Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with:
> 
>  > Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike.
> 
> I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's
> case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm
> guessing that when he was a kid with a magnifier, the ants in the
> backyard ran for cover.

Given what the ants around here do if you get too close to their home
(usually on your own darn lawn, at that), I think that burning with a
magnifying glass isn't harsh enough.

But I'd much rather give my kid a magnifying glass than let him spread
the ant poison on the any of the 150 antmounds we have on the property.

(And no, I'm not really exaggerating.  It's 2 acres' worth of yard.)

Julia

and how do you know he's not just playing with your head, anyway?
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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Julia Thompson]

"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote:
> 
> At 04:18 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
> >Mike Lee wrote:
> >
> > > So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
> > > to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little "Throw Momma
> > > From the Train" service for each other by helping to kill the
> > > self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone
> > > else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more
> > > stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of
> > > three, and she does it a lot better too.
> >
> >I think the worst part of it is, there's no break.
> >
> >You leave the receptionist job at the end of the day, and even if you're
> >having to deal with crap outside of the job, at least it's *different*
> >crap.
> 
> And the receptionist's job seldom involves dealing with *actual* crap . . .
> not to mention other less than attractive or sanitary bodily effluvia on an
> almost continuous basis for at least the first couple of years . . .

Oh, yeah, and most receptionists are not required by their job
description to clean the carpet on a regular basis.  (I am *so* glad I
put my foot down on not having carpeting in certain rooms  Just
wishing I had on a couple of others, as well, but hey, we can replace
the carpet in a few years, right?)

Julia
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Re: [SPAM] Re: Neanderthal growth rate

[David Hobby]

Kevin Tarr wrote:
> 
> At 11:01 AM 4/29/2004, you wrote:
> 
> >There have been discussions here about Neanderthals
> >(not you, Mike Lee!)  So you might be interested in the following
> >abstract of an article in today's issue of Nature.  (If your library
> >access is like mine, you might get to read the article in a month.)
> >
> >It is an interesting idea:  Neanderthals, though intelligent, were
> >adapted for a low-tech, cold weather evolutionary niche.  So maybe
> >they were a different species--the debate goes on.
> >
> > ---David
> 
> So global warming killed them? Interesting.

Very funny!

Around 80K years ago, they were still in the Middle East, alongside
our own (sub)species.  But later they seem not to have been found
there.  Around 40K years ago, they were still all over Europe.  But
not that long afterward, they were no longer found.

Driven out by our (sub)species, once we got good enough to 
out-compete them.

---David

Or maybe they're still around, as trolls...
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Re: NY Times article on people with Asperger's

[Steve Sloan II]

David Hobby wrote:

> I know Asperger's and other parts of the "autistic spectrum"
> have come up here before, so thought some might be interested
> in the following.


> Answer, but No Cure, for a Social Disorder That Isolates Many

> April 29, 2004
>  By AMY HARMON
> Thousands of adults who have never fit in socially are only
> now stumbling across a neurological explanation for their
> struggles.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/national/29SYND.html?ex=1084240188&ei=1&en=8d289c5cf5d86980

A good article, much better than that one about Aspies having
no "empathy". I'll probably show it to my parents this weekend,
because I see a lot of myself (and my Dad) in some of the
stories. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Tom Beck]

Plus the occasional logic gaps, like using officers trained as fighter
pilots for grunts!
I go to a lot of media SF cons. I could never get the serious S:A&B  
fans I would encounter at these cons to understand how unrealistic that  
was. Anyone can be a foot soldier (well, if not anyone, then certainly  
a lot more than can be fighter pilots).

 
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Top House Dem Says She'll Take Communion

[Robert Seeberger]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_go_co/pelosi_religion_1&printer=1

http://tinyurl.com/3a7tk


House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., like John Kerry (news -
web sites) a Catholic who supports abortion rights, said Thursday she
will continue to ask for Holy Communion in spite of Vatican (news -
web sites) opposition to pro-choice Catholics doing so.


"I fully intend to receive Communion, one way or another. That's very
important to me," Pelosi told reporters during her weekly press
conference.


A top Vatican cardinal said last week that priests must deny Communion
to Catholic politicians who support abortion rights. The cardinal
stopped short of saying whether it was right for Kerry to receive
Communion, and the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee quickly
affirmed his support for abortion rights and took Communion the next
day.


The head of a task force of U.S. bishops said Tuesday that Catholic
politicians who advocate policies contrary to church teaching on
abortion and other issues may risk sanctions that fall short of denial
of Communion.


"I have not gotten to the stage where I'm comfortable in denying the
Eucharist," said Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, archbishop of
Washington.


Pelosi, a San Francisco Democrat who was raised in a devout Italian
Catholic home, told reporters, "I believe that my position on choice
is one that is consistent with my Catholic upbringing, which said that
every person has a free will and has the responsibility to live their
lives in a way that they would have to account for in the end."


"I'm certainly concerned when the church comes together and says it's
going to sanction people in public office for speaking their
conscience and what they believe," she said.





xponent

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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Damon Agretto]

> I think Space: Above and Beyond was the show that all the SF buffs I knew
> were calling:
> "Space: 90210".

Plus the occasional logic gaps, like using officers trained as fighter
pilots for grunts!

Damon.

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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[William T Goodall]

On 30 Apr 2004, at 2:10 am, Steve Sloan II wrote:

Nick Arnett wrote:

> I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and
> XP... they've been very stable.
I should hope so, since they had an extra thousand years to
work on that first one! ;-)


And it's still only 'very' stable!

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Re: Ultimate Chutzpah

[Bryon Daly]

From: Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I wanted to check the list out.
Welcome!

Funny, I don't see many postings related to Brin.
Yeah, funny that.  (And there's even less discussion relating to the other 
"Killer B's".)

Politics, current events, science (esp physics-related) and science fiction 
are
probably the most common off-topic topics here, though most anything goes.
There are a few people here who I think would classify as "Brin experts",
particularly on his uplift universe material, so feel free to spark some 
on-topic
discussion about it.  Dr. Brin's own interests stretch far beyond his own SF
works, so I think the broad nature of the discussion here is actually 
somewhat
fitting.

Was also a chance to check out googlemail.
How do you like it so far?

-Bryon

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Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[William T Goodall]

On 30 Apr 2004, at 1:33 am, Tom Beck wrote:

Again, leaving out important information.
Such as? You make an accusation and then leave it hanging. So who's 
really "leaving out important information"?

 This is becoming a habit. Can we call it democratic truth avoidance?
Can we call it a quick-and-dirty post to a freaking mailing list, not 
a comprehensive report to a Congressional committee or a true bill of 
indictment presented to a grand jury?
If one side of a debate tries to be fair and balanced and the the other 
side does not then the middle ground ends up 3/4 over to the side that 
doesn't. That's why people take extreme positions. So the 'compromise' 
is nearer to what they really wanted in the first place :)

-Don't haggle me Maru

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Re: Neanderthal growth rate

[Steve Sloan II]

David Hobby wrote:

> It is an interesting idea:  Neanderthals, though intelligent,
> were adapted for a low-tech, cold weather evolutionary niche.
> So maybe they were a different species--the debate goes on.
> > Because dental growth is an excellent indicator of somatic
> > development, our results suggest that Neanderthals developed
> > faster even than their immediate ancestor, H. heidelbergensis.
> > Dental growth became longer and brain size increased from the
> > Plio-Pleistocene in hominid evolution. Neanderthals, despite
> > having a large brain, were characterized by a short period of
> > development. This autapomorphy in growth is an evolutionary
> > reversal, and points strongly to a specific distinction
> > between H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis.
So Neanderthals really did "live fast and die young". I guess
since their creative, neotonous childhoods were so short, they
wouldn't have had a chance to develop the kind of mental
flexibility modern humans have. I've also seen speculation that
they couldn't develop much culture, because they didn't have
enough old people for oral tradition to start. If they grew up
quickly, they may have also aged quickly, which would support
that theory.
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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[Steve Sloan II]

Nick Arnett wrote:

> I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and
> XP... they've been very stable.
I should hope so, since they had an extra thousand years to
work on that first one! ;-)
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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[The Fool]

--
From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The Fool wrote:

> --
> 
>>From Nick Arnett 
>>If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a 
>>system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to 
>>hear them. 
> 
> 
> You can do an exhaustive memory check:
> <>
> 
> You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros
> are known to (Frex Win 2000).  The Only time anything crashes on my
> Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot.

I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and XP... they've 
been very stable.  Our production systems are Solaris and OS X. 
Difficult choices... but I like knowing Linux and the more I know, the 
more I want to use it.

The wonky machine is running Fedora, which is probably dangerously new.

---
Thats great.  Use it on your personal machines.  But a Server?  I am
dubious.

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Sharkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives


>
> Mike Lee wrote:
>
> >So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not
> >be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a
> >little "Throw Momma From the Train" service for each other by
> >helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time
> >moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job.
>
> Not harder than anyone else, and I know plenty of moms that frankly
*aren't* up to the job.  But I know for my wife it's not all bon-bons
and soap operas regardless of your prior assertion.

Yo Jim!
It's funny. The last guy I saw play the "bon-bon" card was a guy who
was in court ordered counseling for beating the crap out of his wife.
Speaking for myself, I see a connection.


>
> >And she's probably easier to talk into bed.
>
> Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike.
>
As opposed to an obvious misogynist?

xponent
With Jim Maru
rob


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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[Dave Land]

The Fool wrote:

You can do an exhaustive memory check:
<>
You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros
are known to (Frex Win 2000).  The Only time anything crashes on my
Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot.
I work with Nick, so his server woes are my server woes...

Thanks for the info on memtest86.

As for the platform advice, we run a pretty hetero environment: Linux, 
Win2K, WinXP, Mac OS X.

And it is hot in here -- we're working on ways to vent more of the heat 
outside.

Thanks again,

Dave

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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Bryon Daly]

From: Thomas Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Space: Above and Beyond had a great first season, then it seemed like
they started to run out of ideas by the end of the 2nd season.
Except...it only _had_ one season...   
(http://epguides.com/SpaceAboveandBeyond/)
I think Space: Above and Beyond was the show that all the SF buffs I knew 
were calling:
"Space: 90210".

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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[Nick Arnett]

The Fool wrote:

--

From Nick Arnett 
If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a 
system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to 
hear them. 


You can do an exhaustive memory check:
<>
You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros
are known to (Frex Win 2000).  The Only time anything crashes on my
Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot.
I do most of my development and day-to-day work on W3K and XP... they've 
been very stable.  Our production systems are Solaris and OS X. 
Difficult choices... but I like knowing Linux and the more I know, the 
more I want to use it.

The wonky machine is running Fedora, which is probably dangerously new.

Nick

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Dave Land]

Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with:

> Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike.

I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's 
case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm 
guessing that when he was a kid with a magnifier, the ants in the 
backyard ran for cover.

Dave

Amateur Psychoanalysis Maru

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 04:18 PM 4/29/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
Mike Lee wrote:

> So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
> to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little "Throw Momma
> From the Train" service for each other by helping to kill the
> self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone
> else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more
> stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of
> three, and she does it a lot better too.
I think the worst part of it is, there's no break.

You leave the receptionist job at the end of the day, and even if you're
having to deal with crap outside of the job, at least it's *different*
crap.


And the receptionist's job seldom involves dealing with *actual* crap . . . 
not to mention other less than attractive or sanitary bodily effluvia on an 
almost continuous basis for at least the first couple of years . . .



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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives


>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
>
>
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
> >
> >
> > > As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?
> >
> > Every single post.
> >
> >
> > >Is this supposed
> > > to be satire?
> > >
> > >
> > More like trollery.
>
> Its also worth noting Mike Lee is a sock puppet.
>
It's good to see the terminology isn't lost on everyone.

xponent
Like Bush Maru
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Re: March for Women's Lives

[The Fool]

--
From: Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?  Is this supposed
to be satire?

---
Troll.
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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[The Fool]

--
> From Nick Arnett 
> If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a 
> system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to 
> hear them. 

You can do an exhaustive memory check:
<>

You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros
are known to (Frex Win 2000).  The Only time anything crashes on my
Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot.

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RE: March for Women's Lives

[Jim Sharkey]

Mike Lee wrote:
>I'm so tired of the fawning faux incompetence expressed by so many 
>men when it comes to domestic responsibilities.

Not incompetent at all, Mike.  Just don't want to do the job 24/7.  
Quite happy in my role, thanks.

>Now that you do have kids, quit pretending that it's so hard to 
>handle the job, buckle down and learn how to do it right.

heeheehee.  That's a good one.  The fact that I don't want to be a 
stay-at-home dad *clearly* means I don't know how to raise my kids.  
*YAWN*

>So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not 
>be able to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a 
>little "Throw Momma From the Train" service for each other by 
>helping to kill the self-congratulatory female meme that full time 
>moms work harder than anyone else and are doing a great job.

Not harder than anyone else, and I know plenty of moms that frankly *aren't* up to the 
job.  But I know for my wife it's not all bon-bons and soap operas regardless of your 
prior assertion.

>And she's probably easier to talk into bed.

Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike.

Jim

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Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[Tom Beck]

Again, leaving out important information.
Such as? You make an accusation and then leave it hanging. So who's  
really "leaving out important information"?

 This is becoming a habit. Can we call it democratic truth avoidance?
Can we call it a quick-and-dirty post to a freaking mailing list, not a  
comprehensive report to a Congressional committee or a true bill of  
indictment presented to a grand jury?

 
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Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[The Fool]

--
From: Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 09:10 PM 4/28/2004, you wrote:

><>
>
>Land seized for private use possible
>
>Legislation would help developers


Ahh, another place where the fool's and my views intersect. Would she 
support going the other way; land should only be seized for eminent
domain 
in very narrow cases, like a road, but not for schools, public parks, or 
athletic fields?


Roads & Schools.
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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[The Fool]

--
From: Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> let's not forget "Futurama" and "Family Guy"...

And lets not forget Space Ghost!

Unfortunately the anime they're showing now is either
stuff I already have, or is just not very interesting.
Besides, how much Dragonball or SD Gundam can one
tolerate???

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[Larryniven-L] The army is working on impact armor

[Steve Sloan II]

This is a pretty cool article that got posted to LarryNiven-L
earlier today. Looks like a potentially very useful new technology.
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20040429/D828HIG00.html
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Re: Ultimate Chutzpah

[Dave Land]

Gary Denton wrote:

I wanted to check the list out.
Funny, I don't see many postings related to Brin.
And you won't, either. In fact, from what I've observed in my months 
here, mentions of his work are few and far between. You will 
occasionally spot the good doctor himself spreading his memes.

Also far down on the frequency list is discussion of science fiction, 
except for a mysterious (to me) fascination with Battlestar Galactica.
(Note to fans: I do not want or need an education in the manifold 
blessings that the show has brought to the world, thank you.)

Mostly, you'll find heavily-armed encampments on either side (of any 
given issue), a few shell-shocked moderates running back and forth in 
the middle hoarsely shouting "can't we all just get along" (then 
scampering away just as a shell lands nearby), along with a few others 
who lob in a few rounds from time to time just to stir things up.

Was also a chance to check out googlemail.
Ooh ... someone with access to the *limited beta* ... How do you like it?

Dave

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Re: Mike Lee quotes

[Julia Thompson]

Mike Lee wrote:

> And, yes, since you were wondering, it was me on the grassy knoll.

Damn.  And here I had $5 on you helping Oswald with his ammo.

Julia
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Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq

[The Fool]

--
From: Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


---
Hello. Welcome.

Don't: Snip Attributions.

Don't: Snip Context.

Don't: Top-Post.



I Pledge Impertinence to the Flag-Waving of the Unindicted
Co-Conspirators of America
and to the Republicans for which I can't stand
one Abomination, Underhanded Fraud
Indefensible
with Liberty and Justice Forget it.

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Dan Minette]

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives


> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM
> Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives
> 
> 
> > As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?
> 
> Every single post.
> 
> 
> >Is this supposed
> > to be satire?
> >
> >
> More like trollery.

Its also worth noting Mike Lee is a sock puppet.

Dan M. 

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives


> As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?

Every single post.


>Is this supposed
> to be satire?
>
>
More like trollery.



xponent
Unmodified Baseline Maru
rob


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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[Nick Arnett]

Jean-Marc Chaton wrote:

Maybe you could mount a live system cdrom (a system fully installed on a
cdrom, not an installation cdrom, knoppix comes to mind in the debian
wolrd but there must be other live system in redhat world. Then change
PATH and other libpaths in /etc/profile. clone your partitions (rsync)
on a good disk. check all your installed packages (debsums in the debian
world, I don't know the equivalent on fedora), reinstall those found
modified.
Some good ideas there... but one rotten bit of this problem is that 
verifying the binaries with rpm requires grep!  Maybe I can work around 
that...

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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Gary Denton]

As a new member can I ask if he is always like this?  Is this supposed
to be satire?



On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:09:27 -0700, Mike Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Jim, lobbying less than competently for father of the year:
> 
> > Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised?  'Cause we all
> > know how darn easy that one is.  I frankly can't imagine
> > doing the job my wife does.  I far prefer having my real job.
> 
> I'm so tired of the fawning faux incompetence expressed by so many men when
> it comes to domestic responsibilities. If you can't imagine raising kids
> competently, then you shouldn't have had them. Saying things like the above
> is the sure sign of the sexist jackass who has no real intention of
> accepting full responsibility for his sperm donees. Now that you do have
> kids, quit pretending that it's so hard to handle the job, buckle down and
> learn how to do it right.
> 
> None of this takes away from my earlier point that most stay-at-home moms
> are marginally competent at best. Part of the reason they suck so bad at
> their jobs is that they aren't held to real standards of performance and
> outcome. And how could we expect them to be held accountable by their
> husbands? We all know what happens to accountability when a woman is
> sleeping with the boss
> 
> So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
> to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little "Throw Momma
> >From the Train" service for each other by helping to kill the
> self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone
> else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more
> stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of
> three, and she does it a lot better too. And she's probably easier to talk
> into bed.
> 
> Mike Lee
> Islamic Moderate
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Re: March for Women's Lives

[Julia Thompson]

Mike Lee wrote:

> So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
> to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little "Throw Momma
> From the Train" service for each other by helping to kill the
> self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone
> else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more
> stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of
> three, and she does it a lot better too. 

I think the worst part of it is, there's no break.

You leave the receptionist job at the end of the day, and even if you're
having to deal with crap outside of the job, at least it's *different*
crap.

Being a full-time stay-at-home mom doesn't give you that kind of break
on a daily basis until you can send the kids off to school or
something.  (Of course, there are various things you can do that will
get you a semi-permanent to permanent break, but fortunately for the
species, post-partum psychosis is not *too* prevalent)

Julia
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Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

[Jean-Marc Chaton]

* Nick Arnett [Wed, 28/04/2004 at 19:38 -0700]
> If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a 
> system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to 
> hear them. 

Maybe you could mount a live system cdrom (a system fully installed on a
cdrom, not an installation cdrom, knoppix comes to mind in the debian
wolrd but there must be other live system in redhat world. Then change
PATH and other libpaths in /etc/profile. clone your partitions (rsync)
on a good disk. check all your installed packages (debsums in the debian
world, I don't know the equivalent on fedora), reinstall those found
modified.



-- 
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Re: Neanderthal growth rate

[Kevin Tarr]

At 11:01 AM 4/29/2004, you wrote:

There have been discussions here about Neanderthals
(not you, Mike Lee!)  So you might be interested in the following
abstract of an article in today's issue of Nature.  (If your library
access is like mine, you might get to read the article in a month.)
It is an interesting idea:  Neanderthals, though intelligent, were
adapted for a low-tech, cold weather evolutionary niche.  So maybe
they were a different species--the debate goes on.
---David


So global warming killed them? Interesting.

Kevin T. - VRWLC
Doing my part
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Re: NY Times article on people with Asperger's

[Gary Denton]

I haven't minded the NYT registration and at least I have a  method to
get permanent links to stories with them.

This is not to say that the Pravda on the Hudson has good reporters. 
It is the opposite of the WSJ, the Gray Lady has many poor reporters
but some excellent editorial staff.  The WSJ has many excellent
reporters but the editorial department consists of animals you try to
keep locked up in the attic and toss in some red meat once a day.


On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:10:42 -0700, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> David Hobby wrote:
> 
> > (I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for
> > those list members who did not want to register with the
> > NY Times.  Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save
> > it in appropriately titled email?  Thanks!)
> 
> Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that
> folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced
> registration for the Gray Lady: 
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>
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Re: Ultimate Chutzpah

[Gary Denton]

I wanted to check the list out.

Funny, I don't see many postings related to Brin.

Was also a chance to check out googlemail.


On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:46:17 -0500, Robert Seeberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Ultimate Chutzpah
> 
> >Gary Denton
> >#1 on google for liberal news
> 
> Take Note!
> 
> There's a new kid on the block.
> 
> Welcome to our humble war zone Gary!
> (That's an inside joke from outside viewers)
> 
> I beleive the Texas contingent just grew by one.
> 
> xponent
> Welcome Wagon Red Carpet Debutante Ball Maru
> rob
> 
> 
>
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Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[Kevin Tarr]

This is very similar to how George W. Bush, when he was an owner of the
Texas Rangers, got the Ballpark at Arlington built. The Texas
legislature passed a bill permitting them to condemn privately owned
land for the stadium. And some of Bush's partners (including the
current owner) went around the Dallas area condemning parcels of land
that had nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium project but which
they wanted for their own private development projects. They had to pay
the actual owners, but were able to force them to sell whether or not
they wanted to.
Tom Beck


Again, leaving out important information. This is becoming a habit. Can we 
call it democratic truth avoidance?

Kevin T. - VRWLC
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Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[Kevin Tarr]

At 09:10 PM 4/28/2004, you wrote:

<>

Land seized for private use possible

Legislation would help developers


Ahh, another place where the fool's and my views intersect. Would she 
support going the other way; land should only be seized for eminent domain 
in very narrow cases, like a road, but not for schools, public parks, or 
athletic fields?

Kevin T. - VRWLC
Time for a bike ride...or a nap 
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Re: ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[Thomas Beck]

Florida’s constitution allows governments to take your land for a  
public
purpose, such as a road or school, as long as you receive a fair price.

But legislation — which could be approved this week — would allow a  
city
or county to take an individual’s land, with fair compensation, and  
sell
it to a private developer for a shopping center or office building.


This is very similar to how George W. Bush, when he was an owner of the  
Texas Rangers, got the Ballpark at Arlington built. The Texas  
legislature passed a bill permitting them to condemn privately owned  
land for the stadium. And some of Bush's partners (including the  
current owner) went around the Dallas area condemning parcels of land  
that had nothing whatsoever to do with the stadium project but which  
they wanted for their own private development projects. They had to pay  
the actual owners, but were able to force them to sell whether or not  
they wanted to.

 
--

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my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/

New York (Football) Giants:  
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/

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RE: Mike Lee quotes

[Mike Lee]

The list's general fascination with my shock and awe approach to rancid
liberal hypocrisy, stupidity and self-loathing continues to build momentum:
 
> > For what's it worth, I have Mike Lee arriving about one 
> month before John
> > Doe.   Both seemed to have arrived rather quietly before 
> eventually turning
> > on the heat.   And like you, I did note that Mike Lee 
> appeared to be the
> > perfect foil for John Doe.Almost like somebody wanted 
> to see if a
> > right-winger on the List could get banned as easily as a 
> left-winger.

And, yes, since you were wondering, it was me on the grassy knoll.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Thomas Beck]

Space: Above and Beyond had a great first season, then it seemed like
they started to run out of ideas by the end of the 2nd season.
Except...it only _had_ one season...   
(http://epguides.com/SpaceAboveandBeyond/)

 
--

Tom Beck

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New York (Football) Giants:  
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_The Universal Baseball Association, Inc., J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ Fan  
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Re: ADMIN: Re: Notification

[Jean-Marc Chaton]

* Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [Thu, 29/04/2004 at 14:32 +0200]
> Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> 
> >At 03:05 PM 4/28/04, Prutje wrote:
> >
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> >
> >
> >Spam filters let something through again?
> >
> >-- Ronn!  :) 
> 
> That was my e-mail adress that showed up, twice now, but I'm not sure 
> what glitched it. I most certainly didn't send it.

Don't worry it only means that someone with both your address and brin-l
address in his address book is contaminated by one of the dozen viruses
in the wild this week.



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Re: NY Times

[dland]

David Hobby wrote:

>>Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that
>>folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced
>>registration for the Gray Lady: 
> 
> Cute, but the Brin List one was easier to remember!

Evidently not :-)

Dave
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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Damon Agretto]

> let's not forget "Futurama" and "Family Guy"...

And lets not forget Space Ghost!

Unfortunately the anime they're showing now is either
stuff I already have, or is just not very interesting.
Besides, how much Dragonball or SD Gundam can one
tolerate???

Damon.

=

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."
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Re: Mike Lee quotes

[David Hobby]

Mike Lee wrote:
> 
> David Hobby makes the debatable point:
...
> Maybe we can have a Special Debating Olympics and then you can be a winner
> too.

That would be "Debating Special Olympics"?  Pretty lame (sic), can't
you do better?

---David
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Re: NY Times

[David Hobby]

Dave Land wrote:
...
> Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that
> folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced
> registration for the Gray Lady: 

Cute, but the Brin List one was easier to remember!

---David
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Re: Mike Lee quotes

[David Hobby]

JDG wrote:
> 
> At 07:52 AM 4/28/2004 -0400 David Hobby wrote:
> >As I recall, John Doe and Mike Lee appeared at about the same
> >time.  In my mind, this has turned into "Mike Lee appeared as
> >a response to John Doe".  (Look at the similarity of the names,
> >for instance.)
> 
> For what's it worth, I have Mike Lee arriving about one month before John
> Doe.   Both seemed to have arrived rather quietly before eventually turning
> on the heat.   And like you, I did note that Mike Lee appeared to be the
> perfect foil for John Doe.Almost like somebody wanted to see if a
> right-winger on the List could get banned as easily as a left-winger.
> 
> JDG

Unfortunately, John Doe seems to have been unmasked.  Could we 
tell Mike Lee that the Troll Experiment is over?

---David

Mike Lee hasn't started spamming people offlist.  Or should I not
have mentioned that?  : )
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Re: ADMIN: Re: Notification

[Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten]

Ronn!Blankenship wrote:

At 03:05 PM 4/28/04, Prutje wrote:

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Spam filters let something through again?

-- Ronn!  :) 
That was my e-mail adress that showed up, twice now, but I'm not sure 
what glitched it. I most certainly didn't send it. The adressing is not 
mine, my name got replaced by the e-mail ident. Odd. Very odd. If this 
keeps up I'll have to unsubscribe. I don't like being targeted. And I 
feel very targeted when looking at the header. But that is just my 
paranoia kicking in.

Sonja
GCU: I'm miffed about it
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Re: Ultimate Chutzpah

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: Ultimate Chutzpah


>Gary Denton
>#1 on google for liberal news

Take Note!

There's a new kid on the block.

Welcome to our humble war zone Gary!
(That's an inside joke from outside viewers)


I beleive the Texas contingent just grew by one.


xponent
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Re: Mike Lee quotes

[Julia Thompson]

Nick Arnett wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > What I see is
> > attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning...
> 
> If he "wins," then perhaps he'll realize that he's on a list with a
> bunch of losers, so he'll leave.

Heh.  On another list I'm on, people will go on about the "victories" of
their ideas, and end with, "We are Winning!"  So when someone there
starts complaining, the response is, "We are Whining!"

Julia

rather be Winning that Whining, so I'll think about all the things that
went right today and not the things that went poorly
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Re: Mike Lee quotes

[JDG]

At 07:52 AM 4/28/2004 -0400 David Hobby wrote:
>As I recall, John Doe and Mike Lee appeared at about the same
>time.  In my mind, this has turned into "Mike Lee appeared as
>a response to John Doe".  (Look at the similarity of the names,
>for instance.)

For what's it worth, I have Mike Lee arriving about one month before John
Doe.   Both seemed to have arrived rather quietly before eventually turning
on the heat.   And like you, I did note that Mike Lee appeared to be the
perfect foil for John Doe.Almost like somebody wanted to see if a
right-winger on the List could get banned as easily as a left-winger.

JDG 

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Non-Polluting Nukes

[Andrew Paul]

Noted on Charlie Stross's weblog, from http://www.strategypage.com/

"In order to comply with EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) regulations, 
and at a cost of about $5.2 million per ICBM, the rocket motors on 500 Minuteman III 
missiles will be replaced with new ones. These rockets will emit less toxic chemicals 
when used. ... Thus, if the Minuteman III ICBMs have to be used in some future nuclear 
war, their rocket motors will not pollute the atmosphere. EPA regulations do not apply 
in foreign countries, so no changes are being made to reduce the harmful environmental 
effects of the nuclear warheads."

Thank you EPA, I will sleep better tonight.

Andrew

 

 

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RE: March for Women's Lives

[Mike Lee]

Jim, lobbying less than competently for father of the year:

> Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised?  'Cause we all 
> know how darn easy that one is.  I frankly can't imagine 
> doing the job my wife does.  I far prefer having my real job.

I'm so tired of the fawning faux incompetence expressed by so many men when
it comes to domestic responsibilities. If you can't imagine raising kids
competently, then you shouldn't have had them. Saying things like the above
is the sure sign of the sexist jackass who has no real intention of
accepting full responsibility for his sperm donees. Now that you do have
kids, quit pretending that it's so hard to handle the job, buckle down and
learn how to do it right.

None of this takes away from my earlier point that most stay-at-home moms
are marginally competent at best. Part of the reason they suck so bad at
their jobs is that they aren't held to real standards of performance and
outcome. And how could we expect them to be held accountable by their
husbands? We all know what happens to accountability when a woman is
sleeping with the boss

So, I may not be able to hold my wife accountable, and you may not be able
to hold your wife accountable, but we can at least do a little "Throw Momma
>From the Train" service for each other by helping to kill the
self-congratulatory female meme that full time moms work harder than anyone
else and are doing a great job. Your average receptionist deals with more
stress, interruptions and infantile behavior than the average mother of
three, and she does it a lot better too. And she's probably easier to talk
into bed.

Mike Lee
Islamic Moderate




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Re: NY Times article on people with Asperger's

[Dave Land]

David Hobby wrote:

(I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for 
those list members who did not want to register with the 
NY Times.  Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save 
it in appropriately titled email?  Thanks!)
Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of the registrations that 
folks (here and elsewhere) have created to bypass the ridiculous forced 
registration for the Gray Lady: 

Enjoy,

Dave

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RE: Mike Lee quotes

[Mike Lee]

David Hobby makes the debatable point:

> I've often wondered about this idea of "winning" a debate.  
> Some people seem to actually judge the winner on the basis of 
> snappy lines like the following, regardless of the facts:
> 
> "I KNEW Jack Kennedy, and you're no Jack Kennedy."
> 
> "If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, ... then it 
> is a duck."  (Sorry about the mess I made of the last one!)

Maybe we can have a Special Debating Olympics and then you can be a winner
too.

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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Matt Grimaldi]

Damon Agretto wrote:
> 
> > >I only watch Cartoon Network religiously.
> >
> >
> > I thought that IYO religion is evil . . .
> 
> Any network that airs "Ed, Ed and Eddy" MUST be evil...
> 
> Damon.
> 

They are TOTALLY redeemed by running "Aqua Teen Hunger Force",
"Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law" and "Sealab 2021".


-- Matt

let's not forget "Futurama" and "Family Guy"...
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Re: What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?

[Dave Land]

The Fool wrote:

> What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?
...
> I guess the only bit about it that surprises me is
> that they didn't also find a way to suggest that
> another tax cut would be the cure for high gas prices.
All this was interesting, but I think everybody knows that the real 
reason gas prices are high is because *that* is where Saddam has been 
hiding his WMDs. Did anybody think to look there? Huh?

Point proven.

Dave

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NY Times article on people with Asperger's

[David Hobby]

I know Asperger's and other parts of the "autistic spectrum"
have come up here before, so thought some might be interested
in the following.  

(I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for 
those list members who did not want to register with the 
NY Times.  Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save 
it in appropriately titled email?  Thanks!)

---David
-
Answer, but No Cure, for a Social Disorder That Isolates Many

April 29, 2004
 By AMY HARMON 



Thousands of adults who have never fit in socially are only
now stumbling across a neurological explanation for their
struggles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/29/national/29SYND.html?ex=1084240188&ei=1&en=8d289c5cf5d86980
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Re: Battlestar Galactica

[Matt Grimaldi]

> > Robert Seeberger wrote:
> >
> > > SciFi bats at a bit less than .100 IMO. I know a lot of people *like*
> > > SG1, but it seems fairly pedestrian to me, and people like it mainly
> > > because there is nothing substantially better offered.
> >

Julia Thompson wrote:
> > Interesting.  SG1 started out as a Showtime series.  It may have gone
> > downhill a bit since SciFi picked up the production.


Nick Lidster wrote:
> Julia I beleive the timing of the switch over was during season 5.. Showtime
> droped it about half way through the season and SiFi picked it up. IN true
> "SiFi channel" style they have tried to reinvent the seris and make it more
> appealling to the general population, IMO there has been only 2 margionaly
> rewatchable episodes since then in season 6..(I know that season 7 is done
> in the states but up in the great white north  we only just finished season
> 6)... that being said I can still sit down a watch almost all of teh older
> shows with no problem or question to story line... IMO SiFi has destroyed
> what was once a show with so much... potential and given far less... SG:
> atalantis i think will die a horrible death..

I'd agree, the quality has suffered recently, mostly from the
misconception that more powerful enemies automatically makes
for better stories. *sigh*.


> Oh anyone remember a show called "Space Above and Beyond".. had some great
> potential but it got axed...

Space: Above and Beyond had a great first season, then it seemed like
they started to run out of ideas by the end of the 2nd season.

I would like to see an "outer limits" style series of short stories
all set in the same universe, but not necessarily featuring any of
the same characters.  Kind of a "Thieves World" on TV.

-- Matt
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What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?

[The Fool]

<>

What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?

The US Senate Republican Policy Committee has spent some time and effort
investigating the cause of rising gasoline prices. Yesterday they
published a policy report explaining their findings. The conclusion:
rising gasoline prices are largely due to Federal regulations, such as
those established by the Clean Air Act. Among their recommendations of
things that will help bring down the price of gasoline:

o "The EPA should have the authority to temporarily suspend clean-fuel
requirements"

o "Congress should eliminate the Clean Air Act's oxygenate requirement
for reformulated gasoline"

o "Congress and the Administration should reform other regulations (known
as the New Source Review requirement) under the Clean Air Act that have
resulted in the halt of construction of new refinery capacity."

Huh, who would have imagined that gas prices were so high in recent
months simply because of those pernicious environmental regulations? 

Actually, let me propose an alternate hypothesis: gas prices have been
rising because crude oil prices have been rising. It sounds crazy, I
know. Why do I propose such a theory? In part it's because of graphs like
this one, showing crude oil and wholesale gasoline prices since January
2, 1990:

<>

Source: data from the Energy Information Administration, US Dept. of
Energy.

I think that I can detect a relationship between gasoline prices and the
price of crude oil that would pretty much explain why gas prices are
currently so high. But apparently the Senate Republican Policy Committee
doesn't see it that way, and would rather use high gas prices as an
excuse to change the Clean Air Act. I guess the only bit about it that
surprises me is that they didn't also find a way to suggest that another
tax cut would be the cure for high gas prices.

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I Pledge Impertinence to the Flag-Waving of the Unindicted
Co-Conspirators of America
and to the Republicans for which I can't stand
one Abomination, Underhanded Fraud
Indefensible
with Liberty and Justice Forget it.

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ReptiliKlan Florida Land Grab

[The Fool]

<>

Land seized for private use possible

Legislation would help developers

By JEFF CULL, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Published by news-press.com on April 26, 2004

 
Florida’s constitution allows governments to take your land for a public
purpose, such as a road or school, as long as you receive a fair price. 

But legislation — which could be approved this week — would allow a city
or county to take an individual’s land, with fair compensation, and sell
it to a private developer for a shopping center or office building. 

Opponents of the proposed law say it’s little more than a
government-sponsored land grab for developers. 

“This bill is a shocking grant of wholesale power to counties to condemn
very large amounts of property just to assemble it for private
development,” said Dana Berliner, senior attorney at the Washington,
D.C.-based Institute for Justice, a public interest law firm. 

Frank Schnidman, a professor of community and economic development at
Florida Atlantic University and an expert in land planning, agreed. 

“They basically want to loosen up the definition of public purpose so
land can be taken for development,” he said. 

Proponents say it’s necessary so that communities such as Cape Coral and
Lehigh Acres, which have thousands of small residential lots and not
enough commercial land, can ensure they have enough property for future
businesses. 

“For some of these communities it’s absolutely essential,” said Sen. Mike
Bennett, R-Bradenton, the Senate bill sponsor. 

The bill proposes to broaden the “public use” restriction in
condemnation, or eminent domain, laws to include any reason a county or
city may have, such as increasing tax revenue or promoting economic
development. 

...
-
"If evil could be branded, its emblem would be the Wal-Mart logo."
-Inthesetimes article

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ADMIN: Wonky server

[Nick Arnett]

We're running on a somewhat crippled server because a few of its 
essential binaries are seg faulting, suggesting that we're building up 
to another disk failure, perhaps.  It's been up and down today as I've 
been trying to fix the broken parts.

If anybody here has any insight or suggestions on how to deal with a 
system in which grep, chmod and ln are all seg faulting, I'd love to 
hear them.  I never realized how essential grep is to Linux.  And 
without chmod, I can copy grep from elsewhere, but then can't make it 
executable!

Sadly, there's no "reinstall everything" that I can come up with, and 
individual re-installs seem to be failing.  This system is running RH 9, 
a/k/a Fedora.

BTW, it's running now because I can boot from a system CD, then chroot 
to our normal system and start everything manually.  Ugh.

Nick

--
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Director, Business Intelligence Services
LiveWorld Inc.
Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427
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Neanderthal growth rate

[David Hobby]

There have been discussions here about Neanderthals 
(not you, Mike Lee!)  So you might be interested in the following
abstract of an article in today's issue of Nature.  (If your library
access is like mine, you might get to read the article in a month.)

It is an interesting idea:  Neanderthals, though intelligent, were
adapted for a low-tech, cold weather evolutionary niche.  So maybe
they were a different species--the debate goes on.

---David


> Life-history traits correlate closely with dental growth, 
> so differences in dental growth within Homo can enable us to determine
> how somatic development has evolved and to identify developmental 
> shifts that warrant species-level distinctions. Dental growth
> can be determined from the speed of enamel formation (or extension 
> rate). We analysed the enamel extension rate in Homo
> antecessor (8 teeth analysed), Homo heidelbergensis (106), Homo 
> neanderthalensis ('Neanderthals'; 146) and Upper
> Palaeolithic-Mesolithic Homo sapiens (100). Here we report that 
> Upper Palaeolithic-Mesolithic H. sapiens shared an identical
> dental development pattern with modern humans, but that H. 
> antecessor and H. heidelbergensis had shorter periods of dental
> growth. Surprisingly, Neanderthals were characterized by having 
> the shortest period of dental growth. Because dental growth is
> an excellent indicator of somatic development, our results suggest 
> that Neanderthals developed faster even than their immediate
> ancestor, H. heidelbergensis. Dental growth became longer and 
> brain size increased from the Plio-Pleistocene in hominid
> evolution. Neanderthals, despite having a large brain, were 
> characterized by a short period of development. This autapomorphy
> in growth is an evolutionary reversal, and points strongly to a 
> specific distinction between H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis.
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