RE: Oops: The IRS Target Conservative and Tea Party Groups for Extra Scrutiny in 2012

[Eric Roberts]

If this was coming from the "Chicago machine" you guys like to keep
ignorantly blabbering on about, Bohner, McConnel, and several others would
be on the bottom of the Potomac...

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Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:56 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops: The IRS Target Conservative and Tea Party Groups for
Extra Scrutiny in 2012


Why didn't the simple fact that this man was coming straight out of the
Chicago machine make all of this the obvious tactical result of this
administration?
On May 24, 2013 9:50 PM, "Jerry Barnes"  wrote:

>
> Now The Gibson Guitar Raids Make Sense
>
> The inexplicable raid nearly two years ago on a guitar maker for using 
> allegedly illegal wood that its competitors also used was another 
> targeting by this administration of its political enemies.
>
> On Aug. 24, 2011, federal agents executed four search warrants on 
> Gibson Guitar Corp. facilities in Nashville and Memphis, Tenn., and 
> seized several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. One of 
> the top makers of acoustic and electric guitars, including the iconic 
> Les Paul introduced in 1952, Gibson was accused of using wood 
> illegally obtained in violation of the century-old Lacey Act, which 
> outlaws trafficking in flora and fauna the harvesting of which had broken
foreign laws.
>
> In one raid, the feds hauled away ebony fingerboards, alleging they 
> violated Madagascar law. Gibson responded by obtaining the sworn word 
> of the African island's government that no law had been broken.
>
> In another raid, the feds found materials imported from India, 
> claiming they too moved across the globe in violation of Indian law. 
> Gibson's response was that the feds had simply misinterpreted Indian law.
>
> Interestingly, one of Gibson's leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Co.
> According to C.F. Martin's catalog, several of their guitars contain 
> "East Indian Rosewood," which is the exact same wood in at least 10 of 
> Gibson's guitars. So why were they not also raided and their inventory 
> of foreign wood seized?
>
> Grossly underreported at the time was the fact that Gibson's chief 
> executive, Henry Juszkiewicz, contributed to Republican politicians. 
> Recent donations have included $2,000 to Rep. Marsha Blackburn, 
> R-Tenn., and
> $1,500 to Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
>
> By contrast, Chris Martin IV, the Martin & Co. CEO, is a long-time 
> Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic 
> candidates and the Democratic National Committee over the past couple 
> of election cycles.
>
>
>
> http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/052313-657569-gibson-guitar-r
> aid-like-tea-party-intimidation.htm?p=full
>
> J
>
> -
>
> Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
> - Henry Kissinger
>
> Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the 
> tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
>
> > "The blind belief and obedience of the die hard party bots on both 
> > sides has been sickening.  Watching one corrupt man question another 
> > corrupt man does nothing for me."
> >
> > Let me now . warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful 
> > effects of the spirit of party generally. This spirit, 
> > unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in 
> > the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different 
> > shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or 
> > repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its 
> > greatest rankness, and is truly their worst
> enemy.
> > The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by 
> > the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in 
> > different ages
> and
> > countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a
> frightful
> > despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent 
> > despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline 
> > the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power 
> > of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing 
> > faction,
> more
> > able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition 
> > to
> the
> > purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty. - 
> > George Washington
> >
> > J
> >
> > -
> >
> > I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. 
> > - Barack Obama
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Article: Why We Need to Fight for Tesla

[Eric Roberts]

They know that they are a bad thing...a bad thing to their bottom line...

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:22 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Article: Why We Need to Fight for Tesla


My bad again. This threw me off:
But you just keep sprouting the propaganda from the petrochemical industry.
They've obviously convinced you that electric cars are a "bad thing".

.



On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Maureen  wrote:

>
> Because I wasn't arguing with Jerry.  I was discussing how I plan to 
> get power for my Tesla without tapping the oil supply.
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Sam  wrote:
> >
> > My bad.
> >
> > But the statement doesn't make sense anymore. Why would you be 
> > arguing
> with
> > Jerry about a global company and reference your block?
>
> 



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RE: The right message for a dark moment, new voices in European Islam

[Eric Roberts]

Listermint

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The right message for a dark moment, new voices in European
Islam


Scope.
On May 24, 2013 6:37 PM, "Vivec"  wrote:

>
> "The most important values in the Netherlands, he declared, were 
> religious freedom, freedom of expression, and non-discrimination. "For 
> people who do not share these common core values, there is no place in 
> an open society like that of the Netherlands. Everyone who does not 
> share these values would be well-advised to draw the [obvious] conclusion
and leave.""
>
> "This time, the *bon mot* came from Ajmal 
> Masroor (pictured), a 
> telegenic imam-cum-broadcaster-cum-budding politician of Bangladeshi 
> origin. "If you dislike Britain so much...why don't you just hand your 
> passport over and leave? And if you dislike the policies of the 
> government...participate in the electoral process, stand for 
> election," he rhetorically told the soldier's attacker, in an 
> interview with Sky TV 
> which won big approval ratings on social media. At a time when ugly 
> and vindictive threats were starting to hurtle through  cyber-space, 
> this was just the sort of message that many citizens wanted to 
> hear...from a Muslim. "
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2013/05/new-voices-european-isl
> am
>
> Great article showing up the fallacy that all Muslims are religious 
> extremists and do and say nothing against these acts.
>
>
> 



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RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

[Eric Roberts]

How is that?  If you make 1000 a month and you take out 20 in taxes, it
affects you and your spending power more than someone that makes 100 a
month.


-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:38 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car
company.


Actually, research shows the opposite.  But the Fair Tax opposition says
that repeatedly, and those who haven't bothered to read the proposals parrot
it.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Eric Roberts
 wrote:
>
> -infinity...consumption tax disproportionately effects the poor...



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RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

[Eric Roberts]

That explains it LOL

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:48 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car
company.


Rupert Murdock's News Corp bought the WSJ in 2007.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Eric Roberts
 wrote:
>
> The failure rate was something like 33% which is a lot less than the 
> private sector fail rate for new businesses.  So, as usual, the once 
> bastion of integrity, the WSJ is little more than another propaganda rag
for the right.



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RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

[Eric Roberts]

-infinity...consumption tax disproportionately effects the poor...

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 10:44 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car
company.


+1 billion

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
> Better yet, make tax credits moot.  Abolish the income tax and move to 
> a consumption tax.



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RE: Stewart hits it on the head (again)

[Eric Roberts]

Yeah she did...I though she was going to orgasm while describing Reagan.  I
wonder if Reagan was doing her in the Lincoln bedroom? LOL

-Original Message-
From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:marlon.mo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:21 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Stewart hits it on the head (again)


Never read the book he referenced, but sheesh, Noonan sounds like a love
struck teenager in it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-peggy-noonan-obama-irs-reagan-tea
-party-iran-contra-2013-5






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RE: Texas, Red States Beat Blue States On Jobs, Growth

[Eric Roberts]

Again...how much of that is gain in minimum wage jobs?  I know in the case
of Texas, that was something like 85% of the growth.  Yes it is a job, but
it doesn't inject much into the economy.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:16 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Texas, Red States Beat Blue States On Jobs, Growth


"No state in the US has a socialist economy.  None have free market
economies either. "

You are correct.

However, some states are closer to a true free market economy than others.
 Likewise, some states are closer to a true socialist system.

So, the question is, how do these states on each end of the spectrum
perform?

Here is a list of the top ten performing states from 2001 to 2010

1.  Texas
2.  Nevada
3.  Utah
4.  Wyoming
5.  North Dakota
6.  Idaho
7.  Arizona
8.  Alaska
9.  Montana
10.  Washington

Before continuing, let's look at plank 2 of the Communist Manifesto:

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Here is a list of states with no income tax:

   - Alaska
   - Florida
   - Nevada
   - New Hampshire
   - South Dakota
   - Texas
   - Tennessee
   - Washington
   - Wyoming

TN was ranked 23th, New Hampshire was ranked 32, Florida was ranked 14, SD
was ranked 16.  It gets more interesting if you look at project outcomes.
 TN is 18, NH is 27, FL is 9, and SD is 3.



J

-

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the
name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist
program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing
how it happened. -Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate
1940, 1944 and 1948

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs
when it's free! -P.J. O'Rour



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RE: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

[Eric Roberts]

The failure rate was something like 33% which is a lot less than the private
sector fail rate for new businesses.  So, as usual, the once bastion of
integrity, the WSJ is little more than another propaganda rag for the right.

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 8:17 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.


"The list of the Obama Administration's industrial policy failures is long,
from Solyndra to Fisker Automotive. But now we are hearing that one success
redeems them all: Tesla Motors TSLA +5.92% . Tesla's share price has soared
this year on rave reviews for its electric car, growing sales and its first
quarterly profit."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324659404578499460139237952.ht
ml

...




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Re: Tesla by the numbers: How taxpayers made an electric car company.

[Eric Roberts]

I'd love to see any business in the US function as a wholly private
industry.  Even big oil requires corporate welfare.
Retail stores like Wal-mart would never survive without the subsidies and
tax breaks as well as other perks they strong arm out of municipalities.
If you want to talk about companies making it as privately funded
businesses...lets talk about all of them.

Eric


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:

>
> "Elon Musk has actually talked about this quite a bit. Tesla is doing
> everything
> it can to bring the price down and make this a real market, even sharing
> some of their technology with other companies to try to encourage a bigger
> market to develop."
>
> Like lobbying for more subsidies or even suing for subsidies.  Yes, that's
> right.  Suing for subsidies. See solarcity, another one of Musk's projects
> that is under investigation for fraud and is suing for more money.
>
>
> "Musk's claim is that in any new product or industry, you start by
> producing
> a small number of very expensive things and then over time as you refine
> the process you learn to make more and more of them at a cheaper price."
>
> Wow.  Manufacturing 101.  What a sharp guy.
>
>
> "His plan is to bring a much cheaper car to market in the next few years."
>
> As long as the taxpayers fund it, I am sure he will.
>
>
> Some finishing notes on Musk:
>
> In 2009 and 2010, SolarCity spent $535,000 lobbying Congress and the DOE on
> climate legislation, the Recovery Act, and various solar legislation. From
> 2007 to 2011, Tesla Motors spent $480,000 lobbying Congress, the White
> House, EPA and DOE on climate and energy issues, the Advanced Technology
> Vehicles Manufacturing loan program, the Promoting Electric Vehicles Act,
> and the Recovery Act.
>
> From 2008 through 2012, Musk gave $290,000 to political candidates and
> parties including $35,800 to the Obama Victory Fund, $66,200 to the
> Democratic National Committee, $63,500 to the National Republican
> Congressional Committee, and $34,400 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign
> Committee. A former Tesla director, Steve Westly, raised hundreds of
> thousands of dollars as a bundler for both
> 2008
>  and 2012  Obama
> presidential campaigns.
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/tessla-s-musk-loves-green-subsidies-but-buys-17-million-mansion
>
> Gee, wonder why they so much funding?
>
>
>
> Let me say that I would love to see Tesla succeed as a privately funded
> enterprise.  I'd love to see their cars sell without the benefits of
> subsidies.
>
>
> J
>
> -
>
> The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the
> name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist
> program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing
> how it happened. -Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential
> candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
>
> 

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Re: Texas, Red States Beat Blue States On Jobs, Growth

[Eric Roberts]

unfortunately, we don't have a free market...never have.  It is a market
dominated by large corporations.  Also...how many of those jobs in the job
growth numbers were minimum wage jobs?


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM, GMoney  wrote:

>
> The bottom dwellers don't have oil! I'm kidding...sorta.
>
> Oil doesn't explain it all, but neither does conservative vs. liberal.
>
> I'm staunchly on the side of conservative thought when it comes to
> economics...so i generally think a state that emphasizes free markets is
> going to do better than one that's all about taxation and redistribution.
> But state economies are SO complex, that statements of simple causation
> like this always raise a red flag for me.
>
> ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, a free market state is going to blow away a
> socialist state in economics. But as we know, all other things are never
> equal.
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
>
> >
> > "You mean having billions of gallons of oil under your state might help
> > your economy?!?!?!"
> >
> > Check out the chart.
> >
> > Oil doesn't explain all of the states.  What else do they have in common?
> >
> > Similarly, what do the bottom dwellers have in common?
> >
> > J
> >
> > -
> >
> > Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad
> reputation.
> > - Henry Kissinger
> >
> > Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel,
> > go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: Man beheaded in public in England, police claim terror attack.

[Eric Roberts]

No...just a simple greeting...same as would be used for (forgive the
spelling and probable butchering) a-salaam a lakum.  This was buy an
Egyptian that was the military equivalent of an exchange student and was
serving in my platoon.   This was in the late 80's...

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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:27 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Man beheaded in public in England, police claim terror attack.


Really?
Not in call for prayer or responses during ceremonies?

I'm going to butcher this but i think you mean ma salama/wa lakum e salam.
On May 23, 2013 10:17 AM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> I have heard it used by Muslims as a greeting...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:08 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Man beheaded in public in England, police claim terror
attack.
>
>
> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> > "It's a real shame that I cannot recall a single time that I have 
> > heard the words 'Allah Akbar' spoken except immediately after 
> > someone kills someone else."
> >
> > That's because you are racist and intolerant and believe in profiling.
>
>
> Fortunately, I am intelligent enough to understand, even though my 
> personal experience does not reflect it due to lack of exposure, that 
> all Muslims do not use this term exclusively to praise murders.
>
> Unfortunately, I do not believe that I represent a majority in this 
> country.
>
> -Cameron
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Man beheaded in public in England, police claim terror attack.

[Eric Roberts]

I have heard it used by Muslims as a greeting...

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Man beheaded in public in England, police claim terror attack.


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:

> "It's a real shame that I cannot recall a single time that I have 
> heard the words 'Allah Akbar' spoken except immediately after someone 
> kills someone else."
>
> That's because you are racist and intolerant and believe in profiling.


Fortunately, I am intelligent enough to understand, even though my personal
experience does not reflect it due to lack of exposure, that all Muslims do
not use this term exclusively to praise murders.

Unfortunately, I do not believe that I represent a majority in this country.

-Cameron

...




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RE: MMORPG.com uses cfm

[Eric Roberts]

A lot of defense contractors and telcom companies use it as well/

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:52 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: MMORPG.com uses cfm


You know how this list loves to bash the government and talk about what bad
decisions it makes and how inefficient it is?  ...Maybe you shouldn't be
highlighting that they use coldfusion ;)

On May 22, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Cameron Childress  wrote:

> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>> The goverent uses it all over, especially on the intranet/application 
>> side behind the firewall.
> 
> NATO uses it.
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> ...
> 
> 



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RE: Old Scandals May Be Making a Comeback: Sebelius Fundraising

[Eric Roberts]

Actually they don't...they pay taxes without benefitting from them...think
of all the Social Security they pay as well as Medicare and don't cash in on
it.

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:38 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Old Scandals May Be Making a Comeback: Sebelius Fundraising


Ok, I'll concede to your point that they are not all bad. However, good or
bad they are a drain on our resources here. What I'd like to see are some
numbers that show whether or not their contributions to our economy offset
the drain on our economy. 

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On May 22, 2013, at 8:29 AM, GMoney  wrote:

> 
> They aren't all good.some of them are bad dudes...they should be 
> dealt with harshly. We just shouldn't paint all of them with a broad 
> brush. You weren't being very selective...you called them all "pieces 
> of shit". They aren't all bad.
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Meanwhile, in El Paso, tx, in the 90's, Clinton decided to double up 
>> the border patrol agents along the border, and crime went down 
>> dramatically within days in that area. I guess it wasn't the illegal 
>> hardworking decent people doing the crimes since they never commit 
>> one single crime when they enter this country? Then who was it? Maybe 
>> some conspiracy to make it appear that they were committing these 
>> crimes? Screw em. They need to go through the system like all others 
>> who have come here legally. If they cannot afford to come here, then 
>> maybe thy need to stay there because they surely can't afford to live 
>> here. Wait, never mind. We have welfare and other nice benefits to 
>> hand out to them for breaking the law. Meanwhile my wife doesn't get 
>> shit for free because she is a documented immigrant. See the issue here?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4S.
>> 
>> On May 22, 2013, at 8:08 AM, GMoney  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>>> 
 In any event, I am so fucking pissed off that the idiots in 
 Washington would rather take the path of least resistance and just 
 grant illegal immigrants who broke the mother fucking law as soon 
 as they ILLEGALLY entered the U.S instead of do the right thing and 
 send their sorry
>> piece of
 shit asses back to the shithole country they escaped from. 
 Ahhh. I
>> am
 so pissed thinking of this.
>>> 
>>> Put yourself in the place of these "sorry pieces of shit", who's 
>>> only
>> crime
>>> was being born in a shitty country. They look at the immigration 
>>> process, that you mention is an absolute mess. They are dirt poor, 
>>> they can't feed their families...and they look at this awesome 
>>> country we have here. They have every desire and ability to work. 
>>> They want nothing more than to be
>> a
>>> decent, hard working member of a society that WORKS.
>>> 
>>> So they come here "illegally"and work their assess off and never
>> break
>>> another law and try to make a better life for their families.
>>> 
>>> I'm just saying there's another side to all this. You shouldn't have 
>>> to jump through all these hoops to get your wife a green card...and 
>>> maybe neither should some of these other people. Some of these 
>>> "illegal immigrants" are really decent people who are ready to work 
>>> hard and who would make GREAT additions to our American society.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: Old Scandals May Be Making a Comeback: Sebelius Fundraising

[Eric Roberts]

St. Reagan did it, so why not?


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> I swear to fucking god if undocumented workers get any kind if citizenship
> or even green cards I am going to lose it. I paid over $1000.00 and
> countless hours of paperwork and time traveling to interviews and shit just
> to get my wife a green card and social security number. And now we are
> trying to decide how to pay for her college. She might so the reserve thing
> to get the GI bill to pay for it. Also looking into loans and grants.  In
> any event, I am so fucking pissed off that the idiots in Washington would
> rather take the path of least resistance and just grant illegal immigrants
> who broke the mother fucking law as soon as they ILLEGALLY entered the U.S
> instead of do the right thing and send their sorry piece of shit asses back
> to the shithole country they escaped from. Ahhh. I am so pissed
> thinking of this.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4S.
>
> On May 21, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
>
> >
> > "What is interesting is that DESPITE all the roadblocks that they have
> put in
> > his way, and their attempt at every juncture to block and frustrate
> > all attempts
> > to make things right, the economy is doing better. The deficit is down, a
> > new medicare was passed, and the jobs situation is looking better."
> >
> > Oh my God.  You must get your news from the Carney News Network.
> >
> >
> >
> > "A stronger US Economy means a stronger world economy, all the GOP has
> done is
> > made things more unstable worldwide. And the continue to do so. They're
> > going to lose the next election, and the next. I predict they will get
> more
> > and more extreme, and the few moderates and true conservatives left in
> the
> > party will leave or be pushed out."
> >
> > Damn.  It's like you took the complete opposite of the US today and wrote
> > it down.
> >
> > I will agree that the Republicans will lose the next election though.  It
> > all has to do with demographics, especially if the undocumented Democrats
> > get citizenship.  This will actually cause the GOP become more like the
> > Democratic Party, which is definitely more extreme.
> >
> >
> > "Obama seems to represent a conservative Republican of yesteryear,
> > actually. lol :)"
> >
> > Whatever you are smoking, pass that shit around.
> >
> > J
> >
> > -
> >
> > When the weak want to give an impression of strength they hint menacingly
> > at their capacity for evil. It is by its promise of a sense of power that
> > evil often attracts the weak. - Eric Hoffer
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: Oops: The IRS Target Conservative and Tea Party Groups for Extra Scrutiny in 2012

[Eric Roberts]

Did Obama appoint him?

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:22 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Oops: The IRS Target Conservative and Tea Party Groups for Extra 
Scrutiny in 2012


BLAME BUSH!!!

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On May 21, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Eric Roberts  
wrote:

> 
> you meant he guy that was appointed by Bush?
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Keep'm rolling.
>> 
>> Top IRS official will invoke 5th Amendment
>> 
>> A top IRS official in the division that reviews nonprofit groups will 
>> invoke the Fifth Amendment and refuse to answer questions before a 
>> House committee investigating the agency’s improper screening of 
>> conservative nonprofit groups.
>> 
>> Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the 
>> IRS, won’t answer questions about what she knew about the improper 
>> screening – or why she didn’t reveal it to Congress, according 
>> to 
>> a letter from her defense lawyer, William W. Taylor 3rd.
>> 
>> 
>> Lerner was scheduled to appear before the House Oversight committee 
>> Wednesday.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-ame
>> ndment-20130521,0,6645565.story
>> J
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> Due process and judicial process are not one and the same, 
>> particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution 
>> guarantees due process, not judicial process. - Eric Hold
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: Oops: The IRS Target Conservative and Tea Party Groups for Extra Scrutiny in 2012

[Eric Roberts]

you meant he guy that was appointed by Bush?


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:

>
> Keep'm rolling.
>
> Top IRS official will invoke 5th Amendment
>
> A top IRS official in the division that reviews nonprofit groups will
> invoke the Fifth Amendment and refuse to answer questions before a House
> committee investigating the agency’s improper screening of conservative
> nonprofit groups.
>
> Lois Lerner, the head of the exempt organizations division of the IRS,
> won’t answer questions about what she knew about the improper screening –
> or why she didn’t reveal it to Congress, according to a letter from her
> defense lawyer, William W. Taylor 3rd.
>
>
> Lerner was scheduled to appear before the House Oversight committee
> Wednesday.
>
>
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-top-irs-official-fifth-amendment-20130521,0,6645565.story
> J
>
> -
>
> Due process and judicial process are not one and the same, particularly
> when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due
> process, not judicial process. - Eric Hold
>
> 

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Re: Old Scandals May Be Making a Comeback: Sebelius Fundraising

[Eric Roberts]

Maybe they can focus on jobs and the economy rather than all of these
manufactured scandals...


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:

>
> Executive privilege
> On May 21, 2013 3:10 PM, "Jerry Barnes"  wrote:
>
> >
> > This is an older scandal that did not gain much attention when it
> happened.
> >  I remember reading about it at the time.  Just because it didn't get
> much
> > attention doesn't mean it was unworthy of attention.  It just mean that
> the
> > press was anxious to sweep any scandal under the rug in order to keep
> their
> > former BFF in office.  Before reconciliation, the press may follow the
> lead
> > of the Republicans and give it some airplay.
> >
> >
> > Analysis: Some Republicans see new scandal in Sebelius fundraising
> >
> > With the White House already reeling from three major controversies, some
> > Republican lawmakers are zeroing in on what they perceive is another
> > possible scandal tied to President Barack Obama's landmark health reform
> > law just as it nears implementation.
> >
> >
> > On top of the troubles the administration is facing over its handling of
> > the attack on the Benghazi mission, the Internal Revenue Service's
> > targeting of conservative groups, and the Justice Department's seizure of
> > Associated Press phone records, Republicans hope to target Health and
> Human
> > Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
> >
> >
> > They are questioning her soliciting of funds on behalf of a non-profit
> > group, called Enroll America, from two private entities, a practice which
> > if not unprecedented is at the very least unusual. Federal law bars
> > officials from soliciting any organization or individual with whom they
> do
> > business or regulate.
> >
> >
> > Enroll America is run by the president's former campaign backers to do
> > something Congress refused to fund: sell "Obamacare" to the public.
> >
> >
> > An HHS statement last week said that since March Sebelius solicited
> > financial donations for Enroll America from H&R Block Inc, the tax
> > preparation company, and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a
> > philanthropic entity devoted to public health issues. Asked Monday for a
> > list of all solicitations before or after March, an HHS spokesman
> referred
> > Reuters to the department's original statement.
> >
> >
> > Neither H&R Block nor the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation are regulated by
> > HHS, the department's spokesman said, so there was nothing improper or
> > illegal about soliciting them.
> >
> >
> > Enroll America is intended to serve as the private sector flagship for a
> > massive public outreach campaign intended to get millions of uninsured
> > Americans to sign up for subsidized insurance coverage through new online
> > marketplaces, or exchanges, that will begin open enrollment on October 1.
> >
> >
> > It's almost like the Obama administration thinks rules don't apply to
> them.
> >  Oh, yeah, that's right.  They do think that.
> >
> > J
> >
> > -
> >
> > Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
> > destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and
> he
> > has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. - Nancy Pelosi
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: Oklahoma

[Eric Roberts]

They are saying the death toll is at 57 and they expect at least another 40
to be added to that...mostly children.  I have a close friend that lives in
Moore...luckily her and her family are safe.  Very heartbreaking.  Many
brave and heroic teachers that saved children's lives there.  The news was
reporting on one, where they had to remove a car from the hallway of one of
the schools.  Underneath was a teacher with 3 kids underneath her.  Those
kids survived as a result of her heroism.  No word on the condition of the
teacher...

My heart goes out to all in the area.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:51 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Oklahoma


Some of the pictures of the aftermath of yesterday's tornado are difficult
to look at. Imagine dropping your child off at school in the morning, then
being told to go to a church in the afternoon to await word of whether your
child survived his/her day at school.

I don't think we have any Oklahomans on the list, do we?

--
Wake up to find out that you
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FW: Ray Manzarek Dies at age 74

[Eric Roberts]

Hats off to a companion of Dionysis..

 

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RAY MANZAREK DIES AT AGE 74


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Ray Manzarek, keyboardist and founding member of the one of the most popular
American rock groups of all time, The Doors, passed away today at the age of
74.   He was at a clinic in Rosenheim, Germany undergoing alternative
medical treatments for cancer.

Manzarek formed The Doors in 1965 after a chance encounter on Venice Beach
with poet Jim Morrison. The band went on to become one of the most
successful rock 'n' roll acts to emerge from the 1960's, selling more than
100 million albums worldwide, and receiving nineteen Gold, fourteen Platinum
and five multi-Platinum albums in the U.S. alone.   In 1993, The Doors were
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

It is Manzarek's keyboard work that serves as the iconic opening to one of
the group's biggest hits, "Light My Fire."   And his
keyboard-as-lead-instrument stylings were prominent on their other
ground-breaking hits such as "L.A. Woman," "Break On Through to the Other
Side," "The End," and "Hello, I Love You."  

Manzarek, one of the most influential keyboard players in the history of
rock music, went on to become a best-selling author, and a Grammy-nominated
recording artist in his own right following Morrison's death in 1971.

Manzarek's last release, Translucent Blues on Blind Pig Records, was a 2011
collaboration with slide guitar master Roy Rogers.  It is a hard driving
record with influences from blues, rock and jazz and lyrics that include
tinges of poetry and literature.  Minneapolis City Pages called it "very
nearly a masterpiece that emphasizes Doors-like driving roadhouse blues-rock
tinged with noirish overtones."

Manzarek, a Chicago native, said of the album, "This is a head-first dive
into American contemporary Blues.  Roy and I take the unique art form of the
Blues and add a 21st century twist to the genre."  

Rogers issued a statment saying, "I am very saddened that my great friend
and collaborator Ray Manzarek passed away today at the age of 74.  Always
stretching the boundaries in music, art and poetry - this is one of the true
rock icons that had heart, intellect and talent - and a terrific sense of
humor.  He was a great friend and will be missed."

To watch Ray performing "Blues In My Shoes" with the Manzarek-Rogers band,
please click HERE
 .  To hear Ray
and Roy discussing another collaboration, "Hurricane," please click HERE
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RE: Nice riff on Umbrellagate

[Eric Roberts]

What other scandal issues?  Holding a fracking umbrella?  Idiots..

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Nice riff on Umbrellagate


section 2806 paragraph 2, specifically states: "The Marine Corps Uniform
Regulations, published by the Commandant of the Marine Corps, shall be
binding on all Marines. No officer or official shall issue instructions
which conflict with, alter, or amend any provision without the approval of
the Commandant of the Marine Corps."

But why not talk about some of the other scandal issues?

.
.




On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons
wrote:

>
> Title 10 of the U.S. Code, states that members of the Marine Corps 
> shall "perform such other duties as the President may direct."
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> >
> > I can see it going that way.
> >
> > Hey look dumb shit.
> >
> > Never mind irs treasury dhs va atf dea fbi cia nsa on and on.  Never 
> > mind an over run embassy and a dead ambassador. Ignore the literal 
> > suspension
> of
> > civil rights.
> > On May 19, 2013 5:58 PM, "Sam"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > No, it's a distraction to make people think the only Obama scandal 
> > > is treating Marines as servants.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Eric Roberts < 
> > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > seriously?  People are bitching about this?
> > > >
> > > > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons <
> > larrycly...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKgNyLeCUAAZ7eB.jpg:large
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Nice riff on Umbrellagate

[Eric Roberts]

Acorn was a joke...the guy that did that edited the film to make it look
like there was wrong doing.  The LA County prosecutor viewed the raw footage
to see if there was any actual crimes and he said that the raw footage
showed a completely different story than the ones your favorite
propagandists paraded about on TV.  He said he didn't see a single criminal
act or anything that was inappropriate and in fact every office pretty much
told the guy to get out of the office.  The guy that filmed it (Mr. 70's
pimp suit...I forget his name offhand) is in jail for fraud BTW...He also
tried to scam a CNN anchor.  Real classy.  That's the type of shady people
the right gets to work for them.   I know you are smarter than that.  But
then again...you still beat the drum for for the non-existent Benghazi
coverup...

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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:55 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Nice riff on Umbrellagate


I think acorn and lots of other stuff needs to come back.
On May 19, 2013 9:53 PM, "Jerry Barnes"  wrote:

>
> "The real issue is this isn't an issue. It's poking fun. There are so 
> many scandals right now that make me ashamed of my country that saying 
> 'look squirrel'
> isn't going to save the left this time. I hope."
>
> We'll see.  I won't hold my breath.  I have no confidence in the system.
>
> More scandals on the horizon.  The EPA deal should get bigger and the 
> epic failure of green energy funded by the government as political 
> payback for campaign contributions should come back.  Hell, maybe 
> Walpin should be brought back up.
>
> J
>
> -
>
> We don't have a precise read on why this slower pace of growth is 
> persisting - Ben Bernanke
>
>
> 



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Re: Nice riff on Umbrellagate

[Eric Roberts]

seriously?  People are bitching about this?

Eric


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:

>
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKgNyLeCUAAZ7eB.jpg:large
>
>
> 

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Re: Oops: The IRS Target Conservative and Tea Party Groups for Extra Scrutiny in 2012

[Eric Roberts]

...and where was Jerry's and his fellow faux patriots outrage when they
targeted liberal groups under the Bush administration?  BTW...the guy Obama
fired was the commissioner appointed by Bush...
On May 10, 2013 10:39 AM, "Jerry Barnes"  wrote:

>
> And in the "No Shit Sherlock" category:
>
> IRS APOLOGIZES FOR TARGETING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS (
> http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups
> )
>
> The Internal Revenue Service is apologizing for inappropriately flagging
> conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012
> election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.
>
> Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, said
> organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their
> applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews.
> Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were
> being harassed by the IRS. They said the agency asked them an inordinate
> number of questions to justify their tax-exempt status.
>
>
>
> Wonder what kind of consequences those responsible will face.   Probably a
> promotion and a free two week vacation to the Bahamas.
>
> J
>
> -
>
> The power to tax involves the power to destroy. - John Marshall
>
>
> 

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Re: How bout those hearings

[Eric Roberts]

Turns out that emails that were released that were supposedly from the
White house were edited by Republicans to make them look incriminating.  I
think that should be a strong enough offense to send even congressmen to
jail for fraud and treason.

Eric
On May 10, 2013 10:48 AM, "Jerry Barnes"  wrote:

>
> "...he was stopped from mobilizing a foreign emergency support team that
> was specially equipped and trained to deal with emergencies like the one in
> Benghazi."
>
> Here's more on FEST.
>
> http://2001-2009.state.gov/s/ct/about/c16664.htm
>
> A quote from the State Dept about the team:
>
> The Foreign Emergency Support Team is the United States Government's only
> interagency, on-call, short-notice team poised to respond to
> *terrorist*incidents worldwide.
>
> Yes, "to respond to *terrorist* incidents worldwide".
>
> Thus, sending FEST would have been an open admission of terrorism, leading
> to a black eye for the Obama reelection campaign.  Fortunately, the msm
> managed to obfuscation the facts long enough to keep the
> Obama campaign above water.
>
> J
>
> -
>
> Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
> - Henry Kissinger
>
> Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel,
> go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton
>
>
> 

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Re: How bout those hearings

[Eric Roberts]

exactly!


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:

>
> If you have to put fruit in beer to make it taste better...they are brewing
> it wrong.
>
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Vivec  wrote:
>
> >
> > They recently started selling Blue Moon here, and I am liking it.
> > With the Orange :)
> >
> >
> > On 9 May 2013 14:35, zaphod  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Haven't tried Boulevard.  Typically I drink Imperial Stouts, but during
> > > summertime, Blue Moon is my goto beer when I'm hot and sweaty…
> > >
> > > but late at night I go back to the stouts.  This is one of my current
> > favs:
> > >
> > > Squatters Outer Darkness
> > > http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/7375/54990
> > >
> > > and this one:
> > >
> > > Yeti Imperial Stout
> > > http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/158/12013
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 9, 2013, at 1:27 PM, "Matthew S Blatchley"  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Blue Moon is good. Have you tried Boulevard yet, KC isn't too far
> from
> > CO
> > > > (sort of)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:marlon.mo...@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 1:18 PM
> > > > To: cf-community
> > > > Subject: Re: How bout those hearings
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm kinda in the mood for a Blue Moon.
> > > >
> > > > On May 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Matthew S Blatchley  >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd buy a round of Newcastle...but I'm on lock down behind this
> > > >> machine until the work is done :)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Matthew S Blatchley
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Come on...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> Where are we going...and who's buying?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: New Zealand bans software patents

[Eric Roberts]

He is doing that with the Hobbit William LOL

Eric


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:38 PM, William Bowen wrote:

>
> > After all, there are no more Tolkein movies to make
>
> Thank goodness for small favors...
>
> ..then again, Jackson could make The Silmarillion...
>
> --
> will
>
> "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
> and that would just be unacceptable."
> - Carrie Fisher
>
>
> 

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Re: How bout those hearings

[Eric Roberts]

Look to all the people that died in embassy attacks to see what Republicans
would do..
On May 8, 2013 4:21 PM, "Vivec"  wrote:

>
> A mob of armed men swarmed a US Embassy and killed people in a massive
> attack.
> What exactly was Obama, or Hillary Clinton supposed to do at that point?
> Jump in a helicopter and let it rip with a mini gun?
>
> What would the Republicans have done?
>
> On 8 May 2013 17:15, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, in my opinion, from what I heard and read, it was pretty telling of
> > the complete and utter incompetence of the Obama administration,
> > specifically with the Office of the Secretary of State. I also find it
> > interesting, but in no way surprising, that if you go to Fox News, it's a
> > very prominent story, but CNN, MSNBC and CBSNews all have it buried down
> > lower on their sites, kind of an aside. In fact, CNN thinks that Jody
> > Arias' conviction is more important than the failures of their messiah in
> > chief. The others think that the reunification of the three women who
> were
> > kidnapped 10 years ago with their families is more important than how
> four
> > American's died unnecessarily.
> >
> > Another interesting thing is the democratic response. That this is
> nothing
> > more than political grandstanding in order to keep Hillary from running
> in
> > 2016. Really? That's what they got out of this rather damning testimony?
> > That the right is trying to secure a seat in the White House? Wow, and
> > people wonder why some of us detest liberal thinking.
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: jQuery blues...

[Eric Roberts]

That was it...we were missing a style sheet...thanks!!  I am in the process
of learning jQuery,,,so I am pretty clueless if it isn't apparent.

Eric


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM, morgan lindley  wrote:

>
> Sounds like the jQuery ui css file might be missing or an edit made that
> broke the .ui-menu class that sets the list style for the autocomplete ul
> and li elements.
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Eric Roberts <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I am trying to do an autocomplete via jQuery.  It is working with one
> > exception...the list is displayed as a bullet pointed list rather than
> the
> > "select" like dropdown.  Any ideas on what could cause this?  Below is
> the
> > jQuery ands the function from the cfc that pulls the data and sorts it
> with
> > a QonQ...  Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > script:
> >
> > $(document).ready(function() {
> >
> >
> > // Supervising Faculty Auto-Complete
> > $("#facultyFirstName").autocomplete({
> > source: function(request, response) {
> >   $.ajax({
> > type: 'POST',
> > url: 'courseController.cfc',
> > data: {
> > method: "getCurrentFaculty",
> > returnFormat: "JSON",
> > searchBy: "firstName",
> > term: request.term
> > },
> > success: function(data) {
> > response($.parseJSON(data));
> > }
> >   });
> > },
> >
> > select: function(event, ui) {
> > $("#facultyLastName").val(ui.item.lastname);
> > $("#facultyMiddleName").val(ui.item.middlename);
> > $("#facultyid").val(ui.item.netid);
> > }
> > });
> > $("#facultyLastName").autocomplete({
> > source: function(request, response) {
> >   $.ajax({
> > type: 'POST',
> > url: 'courseController.cfc',
> > data: {
> > method: "getCurrentFaculty",
> > returnFormat: "JSON",
> > searchBy: "lastname",
> > term: request.term
> > },
> > success: function(data) {
> > response($.parseJSON(data));
> > }
> >   });
> > },
> > select: function(event, ui) {
> > $("#facultyFirstName").val(ui.item.firstname);
> > $("#facultyMiddleName").val(ui.item.middlename);
> > $("#facultyid").val(ui.item.netid);
> > }
> > })
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > });
> >
> > Function that this calls for data:
> >
> > \
> >   
> >   
> >
> >> application.LawSchoolPeople.listCurrentFaculty()>
> >
> >   
> >   
> > 
> >   select firstname as [value], lastname as [lastname],firstname
> + '
> > '+lastname as [label], netid as [netid], middlename as [middlename]
> >   from residentialfaculty
> >   where LOWER(firstname) LIKE '#LCase(arguments.term)#%'
> > 
> >   
> >
> >   
> > 
> >   select lastname as [value], firstname as [firstname],lastname +
> > ', ' + firstname   as [label], netid as [netid], case middlename as
> > [middlename]
> >   from residentialfaculty
> >   where LOWER(lastname) LIKE '#LCase(arguments.term)#%'
> > 
> >   
> > 
> >
> >   
> > 
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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jQuery blues...

[Eric Roberts]

I am trying to do an autocomplete via jQuery.  It is working with one
exception...the list is displayed as a bullet pointed list rather than the
"select" like dropdown.  Any ideas on what could cause this?  Below is the
jQuery ands the function from the cfc that pulls the data and sorts it with
a QonQ...  Thanks in advance.

Eric

script:

$(document).ready(function() {


// Supervising Faculty Auto-Complete
$("#facultyFirstName").autocomplete({
source: function(request, response) {
  $.ajax({
type: 'POST',
url: 'courseController.cfc',
data: {
method: "getCurrentFaculty",
returnFormat: "JSON",
searchBy: "firstName",
term: request.term
},
success: function(data) {
response($.parseJSON(data));
}
  });
},

select: function(event, ui) {
$("#facultyLastName").val(ui.item.lastname);
$("#facultyMiddleName").val(ui.item.middlename);
$("#facultyid").val(ui.item.netid);
}
});
$("#facultyLastName").autocomplete({
source: function(request, response) {
  $.ajax({
type: 'POST',
url: 'courseController.cfc',
data: {
method: "getCurrentFaculty",
returnFormat: "JSON",
searchBy: "lastname",
term: request.term
},
success: function(data) {
response($.parseJSON(data));
}
  });
},
select: function(event, ui) {
$("#facultyFirstName").val(ui.item.firstname);
$("#facultyMiddleName").val(ui.item.middlename);
$("#facultyid").val(ui.item.netid);
}
})




});

Function that this calls for data:

\
  
  

  

  
  

  select firstname as [value], lastname as [lastname],firstname + '
'+lastname as [label], netid as [netid], middlename as [middlename]
  from residentialfaculty
  where LOWER(firstname) LIKE '#LCase(arguments.term)#%'

  

  

  select lastname as [value], firstname as [firstname],lastname +
', ' + firstname   as [label], netid as [netid], case middlename as
[middlename]
  from residentialfaculty
  where LOWER(lastname) LIKE '#LCase(arguments.term)#%'

  


  



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Re: this is really cool

[Eric Roberts]

Check out
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TSEL1Y/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title...ittraces
back to proto-indo-European and talks alot about some of what this
article discusses.  Fascinating stuff.


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:

>
>   There is a set of words that may be over 15,000 years old and common to
> all language groups:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/linguists-identify-15000-year-old-ultraconserved-words/2013/05/06/a02e3a14-b427-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
>
> From the article:
> *You, hear me! Give this fire to that old man. Pull the black worm off the
> bark and give it to the mother. And no spitting in the ashes!*
>
> It’s an odd little speech. But if it were spoken clearly to a band of
> hunter-gatherers in the Caucasus 15,000 years ago, there’s a good chance
> the listeners would know what you were saying.
>
> That’s because all of the nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs in the four
> sentences are words that have descended largely unchanged from a language
> that died out as the glaciers were retreating at the end of the last Ice
> Age.
>
> The traditional view is that words can’t survive for more than 8,000 to
> 9,000 years. Evolution, linguistic “weathering” and the adoption of
> replacements from other languages eventually drives ancient words to
> extinction, just like the dinosaurs of the Jurassic era.
>
> New research, however, suggests a few words survive twice as l
>
> 

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RE: FW: Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action in U.S.: study

[Eric Roberts]

Probably from breitbart.com

-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 1:36 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: FW: Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action
in U.S.: study


where do you get your numbers Rob? The lists I've seen on deniers websites
had very few actual scientists. mostly non phd researchers, or engineers.
And interestingly enough a number of scientists who apparently did not agree
to have their names associated with the petition.

Glad you brought up the East Anglia emails. Very interesting those. Too bad
there was nothing there. Investigations by the department, the University,
two separate investigations by the Royal Society, and three separate and
independent parliamentary investigations (that had the force of the law
behind them requiring witnesses to testify under oath) all showed that there
was nothing there, no fraud, no hoax nothing. Funny that the reich wing
never reported on that.

As for the oil spill in the gulf, the vast majority of the oil is still
underwater in the gulf
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-17/scientists-say-79-of-spilled-oil-ma
y-remain-challenging-administration.html

And last but not least, (and sam will have a fit over this) there has been
almost 14,000 studies since 1991 that have looked at climate change. Only
24 clearly rejected global warming or endorsed a cause other than CO2
emissions for observed warming. I calculated the file drawer number ( see
http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/mks/statmistakes/filedrawer.html - but it
refers to the number of studies with negative or null effect sizes needed to
bring down the mean effect size to 0 or statistical non significance).
In a nutshell you would need over 200,000 with null or negative effects.

Ergo despite of what the deniers state human caused global climate change is
occurring.


On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:37 PM, RobG  wrote:

>
> On 3 May 2013 12:56, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
>
> >
> > "Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action"
> >
> > That sounds about right.
> >
> > It has nothing to do with climategate, the coldest spring on record, 
> > the extended sun cycle that is ending, the dissenting scientists who 
> > are finally turning against the current, the outright lies by 
> > organizations like the UN, the stifling regulations associated 
> > implementing "change",
> the
> > hypocrisy of the leaders of the cult of man-made global warming 
> > climate change, and so on.
> >
> > J
> >
>
> That would be because they would rather try to blame "religion"
> (specifically, Christianity) so they can accuse those of us who KNOW 
> that man-made global warming doesn't exist, with being stupid or 
> ignorant or whatever fits their agenda at the moment.
>
> The whole notion of there being a "consensus" is utter BS. In science, 
> there is no consensus.  There is only fact.
>
> The emails from East Anglia a few years ago have gone a long way to 
> proving that it's a hoax, among other things.  It's all aimed at 
> getting people to allow more and more government control and taxation.  
> And any attempts to argue this with the believers turns into a 
> hate-filled argument as they call you every name in the book.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Vivec  wrote:
>
> >
> > The "dissenting" scientists are in a distinct minority.
> >
> > But you can choose to believe them instead of the majority of 
> > science if you like.
> >
> > I suppose there are people that believe we never landed on the moon, 
> > and point to the one or two "scientists" who support their point of
view.
> >
> > There is no question that man is contributing enormously to the 
> > warming
> of
> > the climate.
> >
> >
> >
>
> The "dissenting" scientists aren't in a minority.  They are in fact 
> the majority... just not as many have yet spoken up as loudly as the 
> ones who want to jump on the bandwagon.
>
> There is EVERY reason to doubt that we are "contributing enormously."  
> It's utter BS.  Here's a perfect example.  A volcanic eruption.  A 
> typical volcanic eruption releases more CO2 into the atmosphere at one 
> time than the entire plan does in a YEAR.  And what happens?  Sure, 
> there's some ash fall, and there may be some COOLING due to the ash in 
> the atmosphere, over the local area.  If it's a huge eruption, it might
affect some other areas.
>  But in not a lot of time, the planet has absorbed it and "cleaned up 
> after itself."
>
> How about the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  Where's all the oil?  
> Yeah some washed ashore, but most of it is just plain GONE. You don't 
> see that in the media, of course, because it goes against the CONSENSUS.
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-crude-mother-nature-breaks-slick
> /story?id=11254252#.UYP1ZZXy_lI
>
>
> http://www.examiner.com/article/bp-gulf-oil-spill-update-the-leaked-oi
> l-pulls-disappearing-act-where-has-all-the-oil-gone
>
> Not that you'll read those links; you g

RE: FW: Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action in U.S.: study

[Eric Roberts]

Blah blah blah blah...the emails showed nothing...

-Original Message-
From: RobG [mailto:sled...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:38 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: FW: Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action
in U.S.: study


On 3 May 2013 12:56, Jerry Barnes  wrote:

>
> "Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action"
>
> That sounds about right.
>
> It has nothing to do with climategate, the coldest spring on record, 
> the extended sun cycle that is ending, the dissenting scientists who 
> are finally turning against the current, the outright lies by 
> organizations like the UN, the stifling regulations associated 
> implementing "change",
the
> hypocrisy of the leaders of the cult of man-made global warming 
> climate change, and so on.
>
> J
>

That would be because they would rather try to blame "religion"
(specifically, Christianity) so they can accuse those of us who KNOW that
man-made global warming doesn't exist, with being stupid or ignorant or
whatever fits their agenda at the moment.

The whole notion of there being a "consensus" is utter BS. In science, there
is no consensus.  There is only fact.

The emails from East Anglia a few years ago have gone a long way to proving
that it's a hoax, among other things.  It's all aimed at getting people to
allow more and more government control and taxation.  And any attempts to
argue this with the believers turns into a hate-filled argument as they call
you every name in the book.



On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Vivec  wrote:

>
> The "dissenting" scientists are in a distinct minority.
>
> But you can choose to believe them instead of the majority of science 
> if you like.
>
> I suppose there are people that believe we never landed on the moon, 
> and point to the one or two "scientists" who support their point of view.
>
> There is no question that man is contributing enormously to the 
> warming of the climate.
>
>
>

The "dissenting" scientists aren't in a minority.  They are in fact the
majority... just not as many have yet spoken up as loudly as the ones who
want to jump on the bandwagon.

There is EVERY reason to doubt that we are "contributing enormously."  It's
utter BS.  Here's a perfect example.  A volcanic eruption.  A typical
volcanic eruption releases more CO2 into the atmosphere at one time than the
entire plan does in a YEAR.  And what happens?  Sure, there's some ash fall,
and there may be some COOLING due to the ash in the atmosphere, over the
local area.  If it's a huge eruption, it might affect some other areas.
 But in not a lot of time, the planet has absorbed it and "cleaned up after
itself."

How about the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  Where's all the oil?  Yeah
some washed ashore, but most of it is just plain GONE. You don't see that in
the media, of course, because it goes against the CONSENSUS.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-crude-mother-nature-breaks-slick/story
?id=11254252#.UYP1ZZXy_lI

http://www.examiner.com/article/bp-gulf-oil-spill-update-the-leaked-oil-pull
s-disappearing-act-where-has-all-the-oil-gone

Not that you'll read those links; you guys all believe (like a cult) that
you're right and so you will dismiss evidence as blasphemy.

Rob




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RE: interesting Science quiz

[Eric Roberts]

And labeled a communist LOL

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:30 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: interesting Science quiz


Kind of?

I have had more than one priest tell me that if Jesus appeared today and did
the same things he did back then (according to the Bible), He would likely
be excommunicated.


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:43 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:

>
> That's my pount.
>
> I've made it before.
>
> Christ was new begining and the old ways were gone.  If you'd read his 
> words you'd see he was kind of a hippy lefty type.
>
> --
Scott Stroz
---
You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder
what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris

http://xkcd.com/386/




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RE: interesting Science quiz

[Eric Roberts]

Actually no...Jesus even say that he is not here to change the law but to
fulfill it...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:43 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: interesting Science quiz


That's my pount.

I've made it before.

Christ was new begining and the old ways were gone.  If you'd read his words
you'd see he was kind of a hippy lefty type.
On May 1, 2013 1:34 PM, "Maureen"  wrote:

>
> Those of Jewish faith don't consider the New Testament to be scriptural.
> The teachings of Jesus in the New Testament state that we now are 
> living under grace, not under the Jewish law of the Old Testament.
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Larry C. Lyons  >wrote:
>
> >
> > that said, you have to take the bible as a whole rather than into OT 
> > and
> NT
> > when comparing it to other religious works.
> >
>
>
> 



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RE: interesting Science quiz

[Eric Roberts]

So does the bible...where do you think the Koran inherited it from?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:54 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: interesting Science quiz


There are real sections  ofif the koran that permit rape, lying, murder and
slavery.

Yeah this shit is ignorant but if you quantify the good vs evil of the two
religions TODAY I can't see how you constantly compare the two.
On May 1, 2013 11:50 AM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:

>
> I saw that a few days ago and refrained from passing it along. It 
> looked too much like a fake. But given the "Lying for Jeabus" rule I'm 
> not surprised.
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Marlon Moyer  >wrote:
>
> >
> > yep, me too.
> >
> > now, how would everyone do on this "science' test
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp
> >
> >
> > On May 1, 2013, at 9:57 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > eh, 12/13 for me - though I don't feel too bad as the one I missed 
> > > was
> > the
> > > gas that makes up most of the atmosphere (which had the lowest
> percentage
> > > of correct answers).
> > >
> > > Until Later!
> > > C. Hatton Humphrey
> > > http://www.eastcoastconservative.com
> > >
> > > Every cloud does have a silver lining.  Sometimes you just have to 
> > > do
> > some
> > > smelting to find it.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson 
> > > > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> 13 of 13. and the distribution graphs are pretty much as expected.
> > >> the age breakdown was as expected.
> > >> and unfortunately the male/female follows every other survey i've
> seen.
> > >>
> > >> but, good quiz.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons <
> larrycly...@gmail.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/science-knowledge/
> > >>>
> > >>> Your results may surprise you.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Larry C. Lyons
> > >>> web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons
> > >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: interesting Science quiz

[Eric Roberts]

13 out of 13...

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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 9:39 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: interesting Science quiz


http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/science-knowledge/

Your results may surprise you.

-- 
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RE: A little scale and majesty to get some perspective

[Eric Roberts]

Google Sky...

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:52 PM
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I had something similar to this on my android phone. I'll check this one out
for the iPhone. 

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On Apr 19, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:

> 
> You guys would love this iPhone/iPad app then:
> 
> http://vitotechnology.com/star-walk.html
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> that is really cool. Brings back memories of HS astronomy and star
gazing.
>> But nothing even close to this cool.
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> http://vimeo.com/24253126
> 
> 



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Visa restrictions may help US companies...

[Eric Roberts]

http://www.itworld.com/networking/353205/us-firms-say-h-1b-restrictions-may-
help-them?source=ITWNLE_nlt_today_2013-04-19_testB



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Re: Letter to President contains ricin

[Eric Roberts]

Weapons are made of rattan and in the case of axes, spears, and
hammers...foam and rattan.
On Apr 17, 2013 5:32 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:

>
> there's one probably near you. check out http://sca.org/. Remember they
> don't use sharpened steel. Or blades at all mostly. But the armour and
> outfits are supposed to be authentic. When i was with the Barony of Castel
> Rouge. I had a 14th century barrel helm (which I still have) and a coat of
> plates - early brigandine armour. It looked something like this:
> http://www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=12650.0
>
> These days I'd just go for the quaffing in costume.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
>
> >
> > That's more my speed.
> >
> > I always wanted to do a dual wield character and join sca
> > On Apr 17, 2013 4:44 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Regular length blade with a two handed or hand and a half hilt. Gives
> you
> > > that extra swing. It would look good beside the rapier and poignard
> > dagger
> > > over the mantle of the
> > > fireplace.<
> http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-3481-poignard-dagger.aspx>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:26 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You could split logs with that thing :)
> > > > On Apr 17, 2013 3:23 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ceremonial only they have no edge and cannot hold one. Now this is
> a
> > > > sword:
> > > > > http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-9500-german-bastard-sword.aspx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM, LRS Scout 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cool swords though...
> > > > > > On Apr 17, 2013 2:50 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes those funny hats and capes. You'd think they were Masons or
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Marlon Moyer <
> > > > marlon.mo...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've always been leery of the Knights of Columbus.  Shifty
> > peeps
> > > > they
> > > > > > > are…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Judah McAuley <
> > ju...@wiredotter.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Both letters were signed"I am KC and I approve this
> > > > > > > > > message".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: IRS believes that it can read your email without a warrant

[Eric Roberts]

Guns weren't used in either...not by Ghandi's group...he practiced
non-violent civil disobedience.  Egypt was won without any guns as well.

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Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:05 PM
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Egypt sorry you meant india
On Apr 13, 2013 10:04 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:

> Its far from over
> On Apr 13, 2013 10:03 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Still...no guns were used in that revolution...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:38 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: RE: IRS believes that it can read your email without a 
>> warrant
>>
>>
>> People were killed in wgypt and that's not over yet On Apr 13, 2013 
>> 9:36 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > How about Egypt?
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:26 PM
>> > To: cf-community
>> > Subject: Re: IRS believes that it can read your email without a 
>> > warrant
>> >
>> >
>> > How many dead in hungry?
>> >
>> > In china?
>> > On Apr 12, 2013 2:25 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Very relevant Ian Hunter song:
>> > >
>> > > All right
>> > > Gun Control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun Control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun Control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun Control.
>> > >
>> > > Stick to your guns, boys, stick to your guns.
>> > > We'll make a lot of money if we stick to the guns.
>> > > The president's with us boys, so join in the fun.
>> > > We can make a lot of money if we stick to our guns.
>> > >
>> > > Yeah
>> > > Gun Control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun Control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun Control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun Control.
>> > > Let the bullets go!
>> > >
>> > > Step up the lobby, boys, down in Washington.
>> > > We can make a lot of money if you stick to your guns.
>> > > Tradition is with us boys, it's the constitution, so stick to 
>> > > your guns, boys, the final solution.
>> > >
>> > > Hey
>> > > Gun control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun control.
>> > >
>> > > Hey, and ain't it a shame we ain't got a war, we'll just have to 
>> > > practice on the sick and the poor.
>> > >
>> > > Assassinate presidents, and they ain't the only ones, we can get 
>> > > them all, young and old, if we stick to our guns.
>> > > So stick to your guns, boys, fight for your life.
>> > > We'll all feel special on a Saturday night.
>> > >
>> > > Yeah!
>> > > Gun control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun control, we don't want no
>> > > Gun control.
>> > > Let the bullets go.
>> > >
>> > > Viva macho
>> > > Viva macho
>> > > Viva macho
>> > > Viva macho
>> > >
>> > > Gun control, no, we don't want no Gun control, no, we don't want 
>> > > no Gun control, hey, I don't want no Gun control, (I'm much too 
>> > > busy making...) Gun control, Gun control, (...Saturday Night 
>> > > Specials) Gun control,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Judah McAuley 
>> > > 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I do, indeed, find speech more important (and powerful) than 
>> > > > firearms. I happen to like both.
>> > > >
>> > > > My comment, however, was not that the 2nd amendment is not 
>> > > > important but rather on the financial backing of groups around 
>> > > > the 2nd versus the
>> > 4th.
>> > > >
>> > > > Your reaction to that is notable.
>> > > >
>> > > >

RE: IRS believes that it can read your email without a warrant

[Eric Roberts]

Still...no guns were used in that revolution...

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Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:38 PM
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People were killed in wgypt and that's not over yet On Apr 13, 2013 9:36 PM,
"Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> How about Egypt?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:26 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: IRS believes that it can read your email without a 
> warrant
>
>
> How many dead in hungry?
>
> In china?
> On Apr 12, 2013 2:25 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:
>
> >
> > Very relevant Ian Hunter song:
> >
> > All right
> > Gun Control, we don't want no
> > Gun Control, we don't want no
> > Gun Control, we don't want no
> > Gun Control.
> >
> > Stick to your guns, boys, stick to your guns.
> > We'll make a lot of money if we stick to the guns.
> > The president's with us boys, so join in the fun.
> > We can make a lot of money if we stick to our guns.
> >
> > Yeah
> > Gun Control, we don't want no
> > Gun Control, we don't want no
> > Gun Control, we don't want no
> > Gun Control.
> > Let the bullets go!
> >
> > Step up the lobby, boys, down in Washington.
> > We can make a lot of money if you stick to your guns.
> > Tradition is with us boys, it's the constitution, so stick to your 
> > guns, boys, the final solution.
> >
> > Hey
> > Gun control, we don't want no
> > Gun control, we don't want no
> > Gun control, we don't want no
> > Gun control.
> >
> > Hey, and ain't it a shame we ain't got a war, we'll just have to 
> > practice on the sick and the poor.
> >
> > Assassinate presidents, and they ain't the only ones, we can get 
> > them all, young and old, if we stick to our guns.
> > So stick to your guns, boys, fight for your life.
> > We'll all feel special on a Saturday night.
> >
> > Yeah!
> > Gun control, we don't want no
> > Gun control, we don't want no
> > Gun control, we don't want no
> > Gun control.
> > Let the bullets go.
> >
> > Viva macho
> > Viva macho
> > Viva macho
> > Viva macho
> >
> > Gun control, no, we don't want no
> > Gun control, no, we don't want no
> > Gun control, hey, I don't want no
> > Gun control, (I'm much too busy making...) Gun control, Gun control, 
> > (...Saturday Night Specials) Gun control,
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Judah McAuley 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I do, indeed, find speech more important (and powerful) than 
> > > firearms. I happen to like both.
> > >
> > > My comment, however, was not that the 2nd amendment is not 
> > > important but rather on the financial backing of groups around the 
> > > 2nd versus the
> 4th.
> > >
> > > Your reaction to that is notable.
> > >
> > > Judah
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43 AM, LRS Scout 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You find speech to be more important than firearms?
> > > >
> > > > Wiyh firearms they can't stop speech
> > > > On Apr 12, 2013 1:40 PM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It definitely sucks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Judah McAuley <
> > ju...@wiredotter.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The Fourth Amendment does not protect communications held 
> > > > > > in
> > > > electronic
> > > > > > storage, such as email messages stored on a server, because
> > internet
> > > > > users
> > > > > > do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such
> > > > communications."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.slashgear.com/irs-believes-it-can-read-your-emails-chats-
> > an
> > d-more-without-a-warrant-10277338/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lot's of corporate money backing the NRA's fight on the 2nd
> > > amendment.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > > so much backing the ACLU's fight for the 4th.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Judah
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: IRS believes that it can read your email without a warrant

[Eric Roberts]

What about India...Ghandi's movement was one that did not involve guns and
they defeated the mighty British Empire...

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The anc would say otherwise.
On Apr 12, 2013 2:27 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:

>
> Guns did not stop the attempted coup by the Russian communists in 1991.
> Neither did it end apartheid in South Africa.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Judah McAuley 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Jerry Barnes 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "You find speech to be more important than firearms?"
> > >
> > > Without firearms to back it up, there is no free speech.
> > >
> >
> > Czechs, Ukrainians, Tunisians and many others would disagree.
> >
> > There are many types of revolutions and no revolution is achieved 
> > solely
> by
> > a single means. I still believe that the most important revolutions, 
> > however, occur when a large segment of people come together and 
> > insist on change. Coups may be achieved by a small cadre of men with 
> > guns, but true revolutions are more rare and more lasting. And for a 
> > true revolution to occur, there must be speech. There need not be 
> > guns (though they can sometimes help).
> >
> > Judah
> >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: IRS believes that it can read your email without a warrant

[Eric Roberts]

How about Egypt?

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How many dead in hungry?

In china?
On Apr 12, 2013 2:25 PM, "Larry C. Lyons"  wrote:

>
> Very relevant Ian Hunter song:
>
> All right
> Gun Control, we don't want no
> Gun Control, we don't want no
> Gun Control, we don't want no
> Gun Control.
>
> Stick to your guns, boys, stick to your guns.
> We'll make a lot of money if we stick to the guns.
> The president's with us boys, so join in the fun.
> We can make a lot of money if we stick to our guns.
>
> Yeah
> Gun Control, we don't want no
> Gun Control, we don't want no
> Gun Control, we don't want no
> Gun Control.
> Let the bullets go!
>
> Step up the lobby, boys, down in Washington.
> We can make a lot of money if you stick to your guns.
> Tradition is with us boys, it's the constitution, so stick to your 
> guns, boys, the final solution.
>
> Hey
> Gun control, we don't want no
> Gun control, we don't want no
> Gun control, we don't want no
> Gun control.
>
> Hey, and ain't it a shame we ain't got a war, we'll just have to 
> practice on the sick and the poor.
>
> Assassinate presidents, and they ain't the only ones, we can get them 
> all, young and old, if we stick to our guns.
> So stick to your guns, boys, fight for your life.
> We'll all feel special on a Saturday night.
>
> Yeah!
> Gun control, we don't want no
> Gun control, we don't want no
> Gun control, we don't want no
> Gun control.
> Let the bullets go.
>
> Viva macho
> Viva macho
> Viva macho
> Viva macho
>
> Gun control, no, we don't want no
> Gun control, no, we don't want no
> Gun control, hey, I don't want no
> Gun control, (I'm much too busy making...) Gun control, Gun control, 
> (...Saturday Night Specials) Gun control,
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Judah McAuley 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I do, indeed, find speech more important (and powerful) than 
> > firearms. I happen to like both.
> >
> > My comment, however, was not that the 2nd amendment is not important 
> > but rather on the financial backing of groups around the 2nd versus the
4th.
> >
> > Your reaction to that is notable.
> >
> > Judah
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43 AM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You find speech to be more important than firearms?
> > >
> > > Wiyh firearms they can't stop speech
> > > On Apr 12, 2013 1:40 PM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It definitely sucks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Judah McAuley <
> ju...@wiredotter.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Fourth Amendment does not protect communications held in
> > > electronic
> > > > > storage, such as email messages stored on a server, because
> internet
> > > > users
> > > > > do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in such
> > > communications."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.slashgear.com/irs-believes-it-can-read-your-emails-chats-an
> d-more-without-a-warrant-10277338/
> > > > >
> > > > > Lot's of corporate money backing the NRA's fight on the 2nd
> > amendment.
> > > > Not
> > > > > so much backing the ACLU's fight for the 4th.
> > > > >
> > > > > Judah
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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RE: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes

[Eric Roberts]

Many legends from American Indian cultures have it...Indians in the SW have
experienced frequent flooding in the  deserts...it is conceivable that there
was larger than normal rainfall that coaused massive flash flooding that
seemed to be "flooding their world".  

The Norse have their flood as part of the end of the world, when the great
serpent, Jormundur,  and Thor do battle during Ragnorak...the serpent's
thrashing around in the ocean causes great flooding.

Eric
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:55 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes


Not every mythology, mainly those originating in the Middle East.. The
Chinese don't for instance, nor does the Norse mythos if I remember
correctly.. How much of these flood myths are due to cultural diffusion
rather than actual experience is another issue with using multiple culture's
mythos as proof.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Maureen  wrote:

>
> Something definitely happened.  Every single mythology has a flood story.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Marlon Moyer  >wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm sure there were floods, but not of the type described in the bible.
> >
>
>
> 



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RE: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes

[Eric Roberts]

With this, you can see cultural evidence of the event.  Groups on each side
of the Ural mountains speak related languages but have differentiations (as
shown via the science of linguistics) that show they split right around the
time that the Bosporus was formed.

Eric

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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:52 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes


The real fascinating part of it is during Ballard's exploration of the Black
Sea's dead zone (a region where there is no oxygen etc). they found evidence
of houses and villages and other signs of human habitation.

So its possible that Noah's Arc is just a cultural memory of that event.
Mind you all the religions in the Middle East have a great flood legend, so
its possible it refers to this event.

But the impact, The Bosporus was closed by a rock, gravel and ice dam, when
that gave way it was a catastrophe for the people. Doubtful many survived.


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:

>
> Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard
>
> The story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is one of the most famous 
> from the Bible, and now an acclaimed underwater archaeologist thinks 
> he has found proof that the biblical flood was actually based on real
events.
>
>
> "Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the 
> way back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that's a big 
> ice cube," he said. "But then it started to melt. We're talking about 
> the floods of our living history."
>
> The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's 
> oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world.
>
> "The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
>
> According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia 
> University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. 
> They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated 
> freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an 
> enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of 
> the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away
everything in its path.
>
> (
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-floo
> d-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
> )
>
> This theory is actually not new.  I saw a documentary on it years ago.
>
> J
>
> -
>
> Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
> - Henry Kissinger
>
> Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the 
> tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton
>
>
> 



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RE: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes

[Eric Roberts]

The reason every culture has a flood story is for two reasons...one is that
they have experienced flooding that seemed to "Flood their world".  When
your world view is limited due to lack of knowledge of the world around you,
a large flood can easily be mistaken for a worldwide flood.  The other is
that they came into contact with other cultures who had a flood myth already
and incorporated into their mythos, like the Israelites picking it up from
Mesopotamia and the literary classic, Gilgamesh the King...

Eric

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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:50 PM
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Something definitely happened.  Every single mythology has a flood story.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Marlon Moyer
wrote:

>
> I'm sure there were floods, but not of the type described in the bible.
>




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Re: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes

[Eric Roberts]

The flood story n the bible was taken from Gilgamesh the King...which
predates the Torah by several centuries.
On Apr 11, 2013 1:05 PM, "Cameron Childress"  wrote:

>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
>
> > The story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is one of the most famous
> > from the Bible, and now an acclaimed underwater archaeologist thinks he
> > has found proof that the biblical flood was actually based on real
> events.
> >
>
> Not surprising in the least. Most superstition and mythology originates
> from real world phenomena. The people of that time lacked the understanding
> to explain them so the only explanation they could come up with was to make
> up a god of some sort and give that god credit.
>
> Sometimes the god in question is dragging the sun across the sky in his
> chariot and other times they are smiting the evil world with a flood or
> causing crops to fail.
>
> Slowly we've learned the real reasons for many of these phenomena, and most
> people accept them (some do not). I think that a great flood in
> the Mediterranean region due to rising oceans is very very plausible.
>
> -Cameron
>
> 
>
>
> 

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Re: Texans can really be embarrassing sometimes

[Eric Roberts]

Yup...look up a book called Noah's Flood...Nat Geo also did a documentary
on it...  They found post holes along an ancient shoreline a at the bottom
of the Black Sea that were from dwellings.  You can also see a layer of
shells from freshwater mussels that stop at the shoreline and where they
stop,  a layer of saltwater mussels begins...
On Apr 11, 2013 12:50 PM, "Jerry Barnes"  wrote:

>
> Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard
>
> The story of Noah's Ark and the Great Flood is one of the most famous from
> the Bible, and now an acclaimed underwater archaeologist thinks he has
> found proof that the biblical flood was actually based on real events.
>
>
> "Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the way
> back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that's a big ice
> cube," he said. "But then it started to melt. We're talking about the
> floods of our living history."
>
> The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's
> oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world.
>
> "The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
>
> According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University
> scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that
> the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by
> farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising
> Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of
> Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
>
> (
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
> )
>
> This theory is actually not new.  I saw a documentary on it years ago.
>
> J
>
> -
>
> Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
> - Henry Kissinger
>
> Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel,
> go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton
>
>
> 

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RE: North Carolina reinterprets separation of church and state

[Eric Roberts]

We have items here in the US that are older than that Scott.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:57 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: North Carolina reinterprets separation of church and state


Wow...that lazy, huh? Or did you just stop watching because he uses logic?
It is a shame, he makes some great points. Very thought provoking.
Well...thought provoking for people with an open mind.

The major talking point he makes is:

We know too much to adhere to any particular religion, and not enough to
adhere to strict atheism.

One example he uses in the 'we know too much' area is the age of the earth.
According to the Bible it is only about 6000 years old. Yet, we (humans)
have found pottery in Japan that is older than that.


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Sam  wrote:

>
> I got bored after two minutes. Does he go on to say the universe is so 
> big it's not possible for there to be a God?
>
> .
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> >
> > This guy pretty much nails how I feel.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LENqnjZGX0A
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:35 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That's the beauty of my faith.
> > >
> > > Whatever could put this in motion, whatever its motives they would 
> > > be
> so
> > > far b eyond my understanding as to be incomprehensable (sp?) to my
> > limited
> > > understanding.
> > >
> > > Tell me why the body gets measurably lighter when you die.
> > >
> > > Lets talk about the veins in a leaf and my arm and the elipse of 
> > > the planets and that of the atom.
> > >
> > > I see a design even if I can't possibly understand it.
> > >
> > > There had better be a reason for me continuing to move forward and 
> > > make ammends and do better god damn it haha!
> > >
> > > Surrender is not a ranger word!
> > > On Apr 4, 2013 4:26 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > prove to me that the Invisible Pink Unicorn exists and I'll 
> > > > accept the existence of your god.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM, LRS Scout 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's why I'm more agnostic than anything.  Every organized
> religion
> > > has
> > > > > been tainted by man.  I find it arrogant that some imperfect 
> > > > > being
> > here
> > > > can
> > > > > claim so perfect an understanding of or relationship with the 
> > > > > thing
> > > > complex
> > > > > enough to create it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet I go further with athiests as it's almost a denial of ones 
> > > > > own
> > > senses
> > > > > to deny totally the supernatural and the metaphysical.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its a crazy place in my head!
> > > > > On Apr 4, 2013 4:07 PM, "GMoney"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I find it odd that cavemen had the inalienable right, 
> > > > > > endowed by
> > > their
> > > > > > creator, to own something that didn't exist yet.?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LIfe, liberty and the pursuit of happiness all require only 
> > > > > > that
> > one
> > > is
> > > > > > alive. So those rights being endowed by whatever created 
> > > > > > them,
> > makes
> > > > > > sense..but endowing them with an inalienable right to
> ownership
> > > of
> > > > an
> > > > > > instrument thousands of years in the futureseems rather odd.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM, LRS Scout 
> > > > > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Deeply.
> > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2013 3:57 PM, "Jerry Barnes" 
> > > > > > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "these rights are inalienable, they can't be separated 
> > > > > > > > from
> > us, "
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is an outstanding point that people seem to forget.
> > >  Americans
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > assumed to have rights by birth. They are not granted.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The second amendment does not give us the right to bear
arms.
> >  It
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > assumed we have them.  It says that right cannot be
> infringed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, too many people don't understand this and 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > right
> > > > is
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > infringed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent 
> > > > > > > > a
> bad
> > > > > > > reputation.
> > > > > > > > - Henry Kissinger
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Politicians are people who, when they see light at the 
> > > > > > > > end of
> > the
> > > > > > tunnel,
> > > > > > > > go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: about that global warming

[Eric Roberts]

You are just figuring that out now Cam?

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:26 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: about that global warming


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Sam  wrote:

> The "consensus" that global warming was true is based on only ten 
> years of data within the twenty.


Patently false. If you really think this, I now completely understand your
position, since it'as obviously one of absolute and perfect ignorance about
the subject matter.

-Cameron

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RE: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...

[Eric Roberts]

There doesn't need to be one...when was the last time a heterosexual couple
wasn't allowed to get married because they were heterosexual or not allowed
to adopt because they were heterosexual?

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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 1:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...


Really? News to me as I've never seen anything equivalent to a gay pride
parade during the thanksgiving parade. I guess I missed the Puerto Rican
straight pride float.
But your answer is the one I expected. Whites and straights are in every
parade so there will never be a white pride parade or a straight pride
parade. To have either would be seen as racist or homophobic.
Just pointing out another double standard that exists. I don't care who has
a parade and what they parade for.

--
Michael Dinowitz


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:

>
> Sure. It is called "every other parade".
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Michael Dinowitz < 
> mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > If gays can get married does that mean that straights can have a 
> > straight pride parade? Just wondering.
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...

[Eric Roberts]

I love broccoli...even love brussel sprouts.  So does my 7 yo daughter :-D.
I don't think I have run across a veggie that I didn't likeeven as a
kid.

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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:36 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...


Dr. Hibbert*:* Another broccoli-related death.
Marge: But I thought broccoli was-
Dr. Hibbert: Oh yes. One of the deadliest plants on Earth. Why, it tries to
warn you itself with its terrible taste.

Amen, Doc.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, William Bowen
wrote:

>
> You just haven't met the right broccoli yet.
>
> ;-)
>



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RE: CT Shooter info

[Eric Roberts]

I didn't remember what thread it was in.but this was just posted to CNN.

 

A gun safe was found in Newtown, Connecticut, shooter Adam Lanza's bedroom,
according to documents released today in the investigation of the Sandy Hook
school shooting. 

The documents also show that investigators found more than 1,400 rounds of
ammunition in the house where Lanza lived with his mother Nancy. 

On December 14, Lanza, 20, took his mother's guns and shot her as she slept
in her bed. Then he went to the school and gunned down 20 children and six
staff members before killing himself. 

Get complete coverage of breaking news on CNN.com, CNN TV and CNN Mobile. 

 



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RE: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...

[Eric Roberts]

It doesn't matter if it is relevant to you and me...what matters is whether
or not it is legally relevant.  It is not legally relevant.  If you go to
get a marriage certificate, the religious institution you are getting
marriaed at is not relevant.
 
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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:42 AM
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Subject: Re: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons
wrote:

> Marriage is a legal contract. That is the issue before the court.
> The religious aspects are not relevant.


They are not *supposed* to be relevant.

They are VERY relevant to many (most?) opponents. They are not supposed to
be relevant to the Supreme Court, but I am not sure this is perfectly true.

-Cameron

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RE: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...

[Eric Roberts]

exactly

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Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:33 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...


Marriage is a legal contract. That is the issue before the court. The
religious aspects are not relevant.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Cameron Childress 
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Larry C. Lyons
wrote:
>
>> Is it? For most of our civilization's history the church
>
>
> It is today. That's really what's relevant in the current societal debate.
>
> -Cameron
>
> ...
>
>
> 



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RE: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...

[Eric Roberts]

No it isn't a religious institution.   Today, you can get married in a
non-religious ceremony.

-Original Message-
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To: cf-community
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Larry C. Lyons
wrote:

> Is it? For most of our civilization's history the church


It is today. That's really what's relevant in the current societal debate.

-Cameron

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RE: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...

[Eric Roberts]

Actually,  no it isn't.  You can get married in a non-religious ceremony and
it is still called a marriage.  If you go to a judge/ship's captain/etc..
and get married, it is called a marriage.  Soto say that it is a religious
institutionis false.  Marriage is a civil/social construct.

Now as far as the state is concerned and from their part in issuing marriage
certificates...it has nothing to do with religion.  They don't care if you
are Christian, Muslim, atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, etc...they just
issue the certificate assuming you meet the legal criteria of age, consent,
you are not already married, etc...what a officiant does after that is of no
concern of the state other than whether or not the officiant meets the legal
criteria in that state.  Some states have ordination requirements and they
list the civil personnel that are authorized to perform marriages.  Some
states have less stringent requirements.  For instance, as a minister, when
I was in Louisiana, I had to be ordained by a recognized religious
institution and then I had to register with the parish clerk of courts in
the parish that I resided in (parishes are Louisiana's version of counties).
Here in IL, the only requirement was that the couple recognize me as clergy.

So obviously, if a non-religious person can perform a marriage ceremony,
that excludes it from being a religious institution and any claim as suck is
patently false.

As far as what a church can do with gay marriage, they are not forced to
perform gay marriages under any law that has been proposed.  I don't even
know of anyone that suggested that churches have to perform a gay marriage
if they don't want to.  If you are gay and your church will not perform you
wedding...I would suggest that you are attending the wrong church...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:16 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: In case your gal didn't get enough bacon...


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions <
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:

> civil union and domestic partnerships don't mean the same thing as 
> marriage. Take the government out of the picture and it would just be 
> that you are married or you live with someone you love.


Marriage really is a religious institution, and from that perspective I
continue to say that if a particular church doesn't want to marry gay
people, they don't have to. That's fine by me.

But marriage isn't "only" a religious institution. It's also a civil and
governmentally recognized label with a very specific legal meaning. From
that standpoint, there really should be equality.

-Cameron

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RE: This is just wrong, and heartless.

[Eric Roberts]

Doesn't matter...none...

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:28 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is just wrong, and heartless.


"But how many kids died in a mass stabbing at a school last year?"

In the US or China?

J

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RE: Google Reader is being retired

[Eric Roberts]

I don't know if this is on MACs and PC's, but one of my MAC buddies said
feedly is awesome...  She said the conversion from google reader was totally
painless.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 8:30 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Google Reader is being retired


Jerry let us know what you come up with. I only have a few feeds I follow
but nothing like Google Reader.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson 
wrote:
>
> ongoing, I think I can find another reader to read new posts.
>
> what I am definitely going to miss is the HISTORY. even when rss feeds 
> stopped, I could still read them and search old posts. lots of good 
> stuff in those old posts, even if not the freshest tech.
>
> (heck, my dev stack is 3-4 years old at this point)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM, J.J. Merrick  wrote:
>
>>
>> I was shocked. It basically used Gmail and Google Reader and that is 
>> it... and even used Feedler to interface on the iPad using the data 
>> from Google Reader. Worked great and now I am at a loss as to what to 
>> use next. I had a ton of feeds I scan through every day!
>>
>>
>> -J.J.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Justin Scott 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This one is going to hurt.
>> >> ...
>> >> Let me know if you find anything, and I will do the same.
>> >
>> > Indeed, I like it because it's clean and works on my desktop 
>> > browser, the iPhone and iPad browsers and keeps everything in sync 
>> > since it's just a web page.  I'd rather not use an installable app 
>> > or program to manage feeds specifically for that reason, so an 
>> > online solution is pretty much a given.  Unfortunately since Google 
>> > Reader has always been great and free, they pretty much killed off 
>> > any competition so the options are somewhat limited for web-based 
>> > RSS readers.  I'm going to do some looking around and I'll let you 
>> > know if I find anything decent.
>> >
>> > Aside from RSS news feeds, I am curious how everyone else gets 
>> > their news and keeps up with blogs or websites they follow?  Maybe, 
>> > as Scott Stroz likes to say, I'm just doing it wrong.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Justin
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 



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Re: Fwd: Re: Moving and stuff.

[Eric Roberts]

YAY!!!  That is awesome news Tim!
On Mar 11, 2013 4:24 PM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:

>
> I finally am winning.  They depsited all my funds today.  I'm so psyched.
> On Mar 11, 2013 11:29 AM, "Eric Roberts" 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > You may want to go to the county and see if they have a veterans
> assistance
> > commission...they might be able to directly help with food...
> > On Mar 11, 2013 10:13 AM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > This I what I have to deal with.  I'm in a hotel without food or gas
> and
> > > this is what I get.
> > >
> > > I swear I am inches from moving in on this woman's side walk with a
> sign.
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: "Timothy Heald" 
> > > Date: Mar 11, 2013 11:12 AM
> > > Subject: Fwd: Re: Moving and stuff.
> > > To: "Timothy Heald" 
> > > Cc:
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message --
> > > From: "Timothy Heald" 
> > > Date: Mar 11, 2013 11:01 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Moving and stuff.
> > > To: "Professional Money Management LLC" 
> > > Cc: "Kris Wolf" 
> > >
> > > You have a smart phone correct?
> > >
> > > This is your chosen business, not mine.  Your problems aren't mine.
> >  These
> > > decision points have been discussed for at least weeks now.
> > >
> > > I won't even get into your lies about the child support.
> > >
> > > What was the check number you canceled?
> > >
> > > You are supposed to providing a service in exchange for my money, you
> ae
> > > failing to do so, civilityvor rudeness has absolutely nothing to do
> with
> > it
> > > when I can't eat or put gas in my car.
> > >
> > > It has been almost two hours since I contacted yo today.  You were
> > > incapable of texting, emailing, calling or using the chase application
> > > during that period?  You were unable to make your own decisions
> regarding
> > > my requests Friday?  Isn't that what you're specifically paid to do?
>  I'm
> > > hungry, but you're busy right?
> > > On Mar 11, 2013 10:51 AM, "Professional Money Management LLC" <
> > > pmmanagement...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tim,
> > > > First off I have always called or emailed you back.  I may not be
> > > > immediate but that is because I am assisting another Veterans
> > needs!!
> > > >  You got $1,650.00 from Monday til Friday.  If I am out meeting new
> > > > Veterans I can not stop talking to them just to call you, it doesn't
> > work
> > > > that way It is RUDE.  I in now way going to be rude to another
> Veteran
> > > just
> > > > for you.   Your $1000.00 will be in the bank within an
> > > hour...
> > > >
> > > > KRIS
> > > > PLEASE MAKE THE 3 WAY CALL ASAP!SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   --
> > > > *From:* Timothy Heald 
> > > > *To:* Professional Money Management LLC 
> > > > *Cc:* kris.w...@va.gov
> > > > *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 9:52 AM
> > > > *Subject:* Moving and stuff.
> > > >
> > > > Kris, I want to move forward with making my dad my payee.  If the
> last
> > > few
> > > > weeks have shown me anything it is that PMM can or will not respobd
> to
> > my
> > > > requests in a timely manner.  Once again I am broke and without food
> > > > waiting for her to make the decisions her position requires, while
> she
> > > > waits for you to relieve her of her duties by making decisions for
> her.
> > > > This is simply unacceptable.  You gu ys have known forcmonths this
> was
> > > > coming and now it's here and I have nothng.  I'm sitting here trying
> to
> > > > provide for and furnish a 3 bed room house, plus my kids will be here
> > in
> > > a
> > > > fouple of weeks and I need stuff for them.
> > > > I need at least a grand deposited today just to getv myvutilities on
> > and
> > > > to do some painting and stuff.  I need it asap.  I will need more
> > > > throughout the week for furniture and stuff.
> > > > Hands down, my welfare is not being provided fo right now, I dont
> even
> > > > money for food and gas.
> > > > One of you please get back to me asap.
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Fwd: Re: Moving and stuff.

[Eric Roberts]

You may want to go to the county and see if they have a veterans assistance
commission...they might be able to directly help with food...
On Mar 11, 2013 10:13 AM, "LRS Scout"  wrote:

>
> This I what I have to deal with.  I'm in a hotel without food or gas and
> this is what I get.
>
> I swear I am inches from moving in on this woman's side walk with a sign.
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Timothy Heald" 
> Date: Mar 11, 2013 11:12 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Moving and stuff.
> To: "Timothy Heald" 
> Cc:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Timothy Heald" 
> Date: Mar 11, 2013 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Moving and stuff.
> To: "Professional Money Management LLC" 
> Cc: "Kris Wolf" 
>
> You have a smart phone correct?
>
> This is your chosen business, not mine.  Your problems aren't mine.  These
> decision points have been discussed for at least weeks now.
>
> I won't even get into your lies about the child support.
>
> What was the check number you canceled?
>
> You are supposed to providing a service in exchange for my money, you ae
> failing to do so, civilityvor rudeness has absolutely nothing to do with it
> when I can't eat or put gas in my car.
>
> It has been almost two hours since I contacted yo today.  You were
> incapable of texting, emailing, calling or using the chase application
> during that period?  You were unable to make your own decisions regarding
> my requests Friday?  Isn't that what you're specifically paid to do?  I'm
> hungry, but you're busy right?
> On Mar 11, 2013 10:51 AM, "Professional Money Management LLC" <
> pmmanagement...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Tim,
> > First off I have always called or emailed you back.  I may not be
> > immediate but that is because I am assisting another Veterans needs!!
> >  You got $1,650.00 from Monday til Friday.  If I am out meeting new
> > Veterans I can not stop talking to them just to call you, it doesn't work
> > that way It is RUDE.  I in now way going to be rude to another Veteran
> just
> > for you.   Your $1000.00 will be in the bank within an
> hour...
> >
> > KRIS
> > PLEASE MAKE THE 3 WAY CALL ASAP!SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD!
> >
> >
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* Timothy Heald 
> > *To:* Professional Money Management LLC 
> > *Cc:* kris.w...@va.gov
> > *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 9:52 AM
> > *Subject:* Moving and stuff.
> >
> > Kris, I want to move forward with making my dad my payee.  If the last
> few
> > weeks have shown me anything it is that PMM can or will not respobd to my
> > requests in a timely manner.  Once again I am broke and without food
> > waiting for her to make the decisions her position requires, while she
> > waits for you to relieve her of her duties by making decisions for her.
> > This is simply unacceptable.  You gu ys have known forcmonths this was
> > coming and now it's here and I have nothng.  I'm sitting here trying to
> > provide for and furnish a 3 bed room house, plus my kids will be here in
> a
> > fouple of weeks and I need stuff for them.
> > I need at least a grand deposited today just to getv myvutilities on and
> > to do some painting and stuff.  I need it asap.  I will need more
> > throughout the week for furniture and stuff.
> > Hands down, my welfare is not being provided fo right now, I dont even
> > money for food and gas.
> > One of you please get back to me asap.
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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RE: Rand Paul filibustering Brennan nomination for CIA

[Eric Roberts]

I would disagree Dana.  If we can send in a drone to do a job rather than
putting our troops in harm's way, I am all for it.  I just would like to see
more measures to prevent collateral damage.  Killing innocent people is
never the answer.

-Original Message-
From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:08 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Rand Paul filibustering Brennan nomination for CIA


There is something viscerally wrong with sending a drone after someone.
Anywhere, in my opinion. However, if the administration's positon is that
this is just fine even in the United States where most people say the
Constitution precludes this, then I am even more agaist this notion of
theirs. It is wrong. Plain wrong.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Judah McAuley  wrote:

>
> As far as we know, the President did not revoke anyone's citizenship 
> before drone attacks, so there is that.
>
> Furthermore, Holder wouldn't even explicitly rule out drone attacks in 
> the US, even in cases that didn't rise to the level of imminent threat.
>
> I agree that the Patriot Act and use of force need to be revisited 
> (and
> eviscerated) but I'm not going to give Obama a pass on this one.
>
> Judah
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions 
> < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Judah McAuley 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I like that it is a talking filibuster, not the crappy silent
> filibuster
> > > that Republicans have been using to obstruct every single thing 
> > > that
> the
> > > Senate does. I think that Paul is making some good points and I'm 
> > > glad
> to
> > > see that one of my Senators, Ron Wyden (a Democrat mind you) is 
> > > joining
> > him
> > > in the filibuster.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I think it's dumb. Let Rand Paul talk till he's blue in the face.
>  Congress
> > passed the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force 
> > (AUMF). 
> > The Act authorized the president to use all "necessary and appropriate
force"
> > against al-Qaeda and its associated forces.
> >
> > This would include Drone Killing. The president could just revoke 
> > the citizenship of someone before killing them as well.
> >
> > Under Section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality 
> > Act,
> > a citizen of the United States may be stripped of his citizenship 
> > when he intends to relinquish United States nationality, and commits 
> > any act of treason, or bears arms against, the United States.
> >
> > Fix your own laws Mr Paul...
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Glenn Beck Is Under Attack From the Forces of Darkness

[Eric Roberts]

Hat train left the station a very long time ago Larry;-)

-Original Message-
From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:01 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Glenn Beck Is Under Attack From the Forces of Darkness


I think Beck has really lost it here.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/glenn-beck-under-attack-forces-darknes
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DOW hits new high today...

[Eric Roberts]

So much for Obama being bad for business.

 

The Dow hit a new record high today, topping 14,264. The previous record was
14,198.10, set in October 2007, when investors were squarely focused on the
Federal Reserve. The Fed had cut rates for the first time in four years and
was worried the housing implosion would hit consumers and the broader
economy. 

Today, the Fed's actions have juiced stocks and helped boost the economy,
but the recovery after the 2008 financial crisis remains slow-going. 

Investors appear to have shrugged off the fight over $85 billion in forced
government spending cuts. The Obama administration has started making the
cuts and some federal workers are getting furlough notices. 

Get complete coverage of breaking news on CNN.com, CNN TV and CNN Mobile. 

 



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RE: FL Student Suspended for Three Days for Disarming Student

[Eric Roberts]

Fox said they could in the court case...they argued that a news agency has a
right under the 1st amendment to make shit up.

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:38 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: FL Student Suspended for Three Days for Disarming Student


Did you just admit it is OK for news programs to purposely perpetuate false
information in order to get more 'readers'?


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Sam  wrote:

>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, zaphod 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmůlet's see- which one makes more sense.
> >
> > "Student gets suspended for not cooperating with investigation"
>
> That tells no story and would not be read by anyone. Boring.
>
> > or
> >
> > "Student gets suspended for disarming gun holding student"
>
> No shit, that can't be true...it is? And the reason they, three 
> students, were suspended is because they were afraid to go public?
> Sounds common. Like jailing rape victims if they don't file a report.
>
> > I go with #1, Sam & Jerry go with #2
>
> Obviously. In your world the true is the enemy.
>
> .
>
> 



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RE: This is long but worth the read

[Eric Roberts]

is overseas. When home on
vacation, he only gets his $30.00ish an hour and pays taxes on that month of
pay. The Army has mechanics that can do his job. Again though, since they
want as many people out the wire as they can get, the civilians are there to
stay because the Army won't increase the number of soldiers it has. The Army
wants to cut around 80K worth of soldiers over the next few years in fact.

So I guess the answer is that some contractors can go away while most have
to stay because it's still more cost effective to keep them. I am going to
email my brother in law for a more in depth explanation. He is currently in
Afghanistan so it might be a day or two before I get a reply.

Bruce
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "Eric Roberts"
 wrote:

> 
> What they should be doing is cutting contractors period and putting 
> soldiers in their place.  Hiring contractors to do the jobs costs us 
> 10 times as much as it would cost us to have soldiers do the job.
> 
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RE: This is long but worth the read

[Eric Roberts]

I was getting out just as we were starting to get Bradley's...I drove a 113
set up as an ambulance as well as a Hum-Vee.  They were great vehicles.
Some of the M113's we had...you could see where holes were patched up from
when they were used in Vietnam ;-)  They have some serious longevity.  I was
pretty anal about maintenance on vehicles as well.  Those vehicles were my
lifeline and if I didn't take care of them...it could have meant my life.

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is long but worth the read


The budget is large because in small part of the tremendous amount of waste
that goes on in the military. I'll not get into specific details but there
are hundreds of thousands of dollars of waste, especially down range.
Individually we do out best to curb some of this waste, but a lot of it is
out of our control. Another part of the tremendous amount of cost for the
budget is the constant refitting of equipment that we have. Army equipment
requires constant maintenance, in part because some soldiers just don't give
a shit about the equipment they have, and another part is the nature of some
of the stuff we use. The Bradley for instance is a great platform in combat
as long as the crew is vigilant and is always on top of their maintenance. I
have been in combat in an M113-A3 Armored Personnel Carrier. I put over
5,000 miles on it in five months, and the only issue was that a small o-ring
started seeping. I was a section leader on a Bradley and again, I had
minimal maintenance issues with my sections Bradley's. Why? Because I am
very anal about maintenance. Part of that comes from the fact that my first
12 years in the Army I was a mechanic. So now as an end user of the
equipment I used to work on, I am keenly aware of the importance of staying
on top of my equipment. However, these vehicles go through a lot of wear and
tear and like anything mechanical, something is bound to go wrong with it.
These vehicles have parts that are very expensive, usually the high tech
electronics that are in them. Same with tanks and howitzers. 

There are a tremendous amount of civilians that work on military bases, and
they cost money as well. However, the issue with that is it's actually more
cost effective to keep them rather than use soldiers for some of the things
that they do. I didn't think so at first until my brother-in-law, who works
at the Pentagon broke it down to me. 
One of the biggest issues with the DOD budget is that Generals want their
projects. They want them because congressmen and women want them because
they either create jobs, or they get to keep the jobs in their districts by
way of more contracts. There are tons of government contractors as well, and
the military is always buying things. A few of the things that are bought
are actually worth it, but most is useless. It's another example of if it
looks good on paper, it must be good in practical application. As we all
well know, that is not always the case. 

One of the things that the Army bought were off the shelf Dell smartphones.
These phones were tweaked for the military. We were issued them to test them
out in Afghanistan. They had GPS, detailed maps of our area and the ability
to tag the maps with data. I used mine to keep track of all the mines and
IED's that we found in the area, as well as where all of the important
people in the villages I patrolled in lived, and also tagged some homes with
potential HVT's. And I kept track of orchards that we had cleared and when
we cleared them. Other than that though it was pretty useless. The phone
part of it was disabled even though there were cell towers in the area (I
know because I had a cell phone while I was there). I actually kept paper
laminated maps that I could easily update with a marker. I also had detailed
imagery on paper of the villages from a PPT slide I made, and kept up to
date information on it and printed a new one out every couple of weeks or so
on a printer that I bought and had delivered to Afghanistan. I could have
used Army printers and ink, but thought I'd do my very small part. I did use
Army paper though. 

I have a couple friends who worked here at Fort Benning, in the R&D
department. They told me that the status quo was to buy things and field
them, and to check a box, send it to them for testing. I was told that most
of what they said was junk the Army already bought, and the really useful
stuff was overlooked because of the cost. Watch The Pentagon Wars for an
example. 

Uniforms are another huge waste. In the 17+ years that I have been in the
Army, I have worn four different uniforms, and two different dress uniforms.
These things are not cheap. Currently, a set of ACU's cost about $80.00. A
brand new dress uniform costs around $400.00. And now the Army is going to
change our uniform again because the ACU is a colossal piece of shit. Unless
you are fighti

RE: This is long but worth the read

[Eric Roberts]

What they should be doing is cutting contractors period and putting soldiers
in their place.  Hiring contractors to do the jobs costs us 10 times as much
as it would cost us to have soldiers do the job.

-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:52 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: This is long but worth the read


Some good stuff, Bruce.

Question for you, though. The Military portion of the US budget is
significantly out of proportion to other countries. Some of that is because
we've chosen to be a bigger military policeman for the world. Other parts of
it seem to be just historical inertia and lobbying from contractors.

Do you think that the US military budget is too big as it currently stands?
Too small? If too big, where do you think it should be cut? If too small,
where should it be expanded?


Cheers,
Judah




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This is cool...espicallyif you get/give IV's a lot...

[Eric Roberts]

http://www.accuvein.com/



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RE: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate 'em

[Eric Roberts]

Which would mean that there would be a 25% reduction in oxygen...

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:46 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate
'em


" After all, what will we breathe when they cut down all the trees?"

Oxygen.

70-75% of oxygen is created by algae.

J

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- Henry Kissinger

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RE: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate 'em

[Eric Roberts]

Forest fires, before our interference, generally didn't burn down the trees.
It mostly burned the undergrowth and all of the dead leaves and grasses.  In
many national forests, they do controlled burns to simulate this.  There is
also many species of trees that depend on fire to release their seeds.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:54 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate
'em


Trees DO normally live that long. In an old-growth forest. 400, 500 year old
slow growth trees were the norm.

That was true in the cypress swamps. In the rain forests of Washington. In
the desert of Nevada. In the mountains of California. In the plains of Iowa.
In the deep oak and hardwood forests of New England. In the great pine
swamps of the Carolinas.

Lightning and fire were the dangers, and the forest had management methods
built into the ecosystem.




On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Sam  wrote:

>
> Really, that's what you got out of that?
>
> Things live and die, it;'s a cycle. Trees don't normally live that 
> long. But since you mentioned it, did you realize most of the oldest 
> trees are in the US?
>
> .
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Judah McAuley 
> wrote:
> >
> > This is the mindset of today's so-called conservatives.
> >
> > Everything is a crop to be harvested at will. Never mind that many 
> > of
> these
> > trees were here before anyone settled the area. And that the 
> > ecosystems evolved around the reality that trees would grow for hundreds
of years.
> >
> > Did you know that there are pine trees in Oregon over 3,000 years old?
> >
> > Did you know that the canopy of an old growth conifer can have as 
> > much living on/in it as the mass of the tree itself?
> >
> > I miss the conservatives that actually wanted to conserve things. Sad.
> >
> > Judah
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate 'em

[Eric Roberts]

There's a tree in Lake Charles, LA...a live oak, that is on the property of
the Imperial Calcasieu Museum that is over 450 years oldso yes...trees
do live that long.  Many hardwoods live to be hundreds of years old if left
alone.

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:54 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate
'em


Trees DO normally live that long. In an old-growth forest. 400, 500 year old
slow growth trees were the norm.

That was true in the cypress swamps. In the rain forests of Washington. In
the desert of Nevada. In the mountains of California. In the plains of Iowa.
In the deep oak and hardwood forests of New England. In the great pine
swamps of the Carolinas.

Lightning and fire were the dangers, and the forest had management methods
built into the ecosystem.




On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Sam  wrote:

>
> Really, that's what you got out of that?
>
> Things live and die, it;'s a cycle. Trees don't normally live that 
> long. But since you mentioned it, did you realize most of the oldest 
> trees are in the US?
>
> .
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Judah McAuley 
> wrote:
> >
> > This is the mindset of today's so-called conservatives.
> >
> > Everything is a crop to be harvested at will. Never mind that many 
> > of
> these
> > trees were here before anyone settled the area. And that the 
> > ecosystems evolved around the reality that trees would grow for hundreds
of years.
> >
> > Did you know that there are pine trees in Oregon over 3,000 years old?
> >
> > Did you know that the canopy of an old growth conifer can have as 
> > much living on/in it as the mass of the tree itself?
> >
> > I miss the conservatives that actually wanted to conserve things. Sad.
> >
> > Judah
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: All dusty in my office....

[Eric Roberts]

That is pretty awesome!

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: All dusty in my office


...that is the only rationale I can come up with for why I was crying when I
watched this.

http://bit.ly/XZ3a2o

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RE: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate 'em

[Eric Roberts]

I did a lot of ecological work as a teen.  In west suburban Chicago, right
across the street from where I grew up, we have the Morton Arboretum.  I
volunteered there as a teen and worked in the Herbarium...where they have a
large collection of pressed plants.  My job was to mount them on these large
pieces of poster board and them file them away properly.  I had a collection
of my own that I ended up donating to my high school when I graduated.

-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:00 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate
'em


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:

>
>
> Funny how the focus has switched from indoctrination to trees.
>


Everything else you wrote was a pile of crap as well, but I just don't have
the time and energy to go over it. Some other folks touched on some parts.
Really kind of a waste of energy, though, since you seem to have abandoned
the ability to have critical analysis in areas you've assigned into a
political mental box.

Trees I care a lot about, however, so I wanted to make sure that other folks
on the list think about trees in some of the ways I do. Landscape ecology,
fire ecology, and quantitative ecology in general is something I spent a lot
of time on when I was younger. A lot of time measuring canopy coverage in
forests. Time slogging through bogs looking for plants. Time sitting with
scientists who are busy watching a tree decay for a hundred years.

We've got forests here in Oregon that we cut down every 50 years that are
evolved to normally go 400 years without most of the big trees going down at
once. On the east side of the mountains, we've got trees that are used to
have small fires come through every 20 years that haven't seen a fire in
60 years because of fire suppression. And yet we keep wondering why our
forest health isn't in good shape. There are trees there, what else do you
need, right?

People in this area have started to come around. Conservation groups working
together with logging companies and local and national government to try and
come up with management plans that increase timber harvest while protecting
critical areas and improving forest health. It isn't easy, there are lots of
attitudes to change and decades of mistrust on all sides. But it's
happening, little by little.

No thanks, obviously, to folks like Jerry and Sam. Fortunately, we still
have pockets of sanity. I just hope it is enough to keep things going for my
grandchildren.

Cheers,
Judah




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RE: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate 'em

[Eric Roberts]

Out of 3,794,000 square miles...

I would suspect that the sustained numbers are a result of the creation of
national parks in the early 1900's...

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:21 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Lock ups yer children them libruls are going to indoctrinate
'em


Ooops. More forest now than in 1920?

http://columbiaforestproducts.com/Landowners/Forests

Unlike some regions in the world where deforestation is happening at a rapid
pace, the US has actually maintained its forestland for the past
100 years. According to the USDA Forest Service, since 1900, forest area in
the US has remained statistically within 745 million acres
+/-5% with the lowest point in 1920 of 735 million acres. US forest
area in 2000 was about 749 million acres.
.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Jerry Barnes  wrote:
>
> Then she says the US has less than 4% of our countries original forest.
>  Okay.  Maybe only 4% of the tree present during the settling of the 
> country are left (which is doubtful).  However, forest are replanted 
> when logged.
>



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RE: Denver Considers Whether To Opt In Or Out Of Amendment 64

[Eric Roberts]

Wow...that's like 2 or 3 times in one day that I agreed with Jerry...are
there any meteor strikes scheduled for the Chicago area...I know the sky
must be falling...

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Denver Considers Whether To Opt In Or Out Of Amendment 64


Denver Considers Whether To Opt In Or Out Of Amendment 64 (
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/denver-considers-whether-to-opt-in-or-
out-of-amendment-64/)


There's a chance Denver will opt out of Amendment 64 despite the fact voters
in the city overwhelmingly approved legalizing marijuana.

Some members of the city council argue that while the majority of Denver
voters said yes to the amendment, it was in an effort to decriminilize small
amounts. Their intentions may not have been to have a marijuana store in
their neighborhood.


Any chance these city council members are truly concerned for the citizens
or maybe there is a just a little influence from the Prison-Industrial
Complex?

J

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RE: Meteor

[Eric Roberts]

Maybe we should make it a requirement that you actually have kids in the
system if you are on the school board...maybe you will make better decisions
if you have a dog in the race...

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:11 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Meteor


"So why not let the candidates lay out one last time very succinctly, what
they are about. The better educated each voter, the better off we all
are...even if that education consists only of a few lines they read from the
candidate before voting."

I have no problem with giving voters a handout with candidate summaries on
it.  Just no pictures.  I cannot stand glamour shots.


"If nothing else, i want ALL voters to know which BOE members want to teach
their children actual science! That's how some of these ID nutters get onto
these boardsby moderate republicans who vote straight ticket for BOE
seats, not realizing they are voting in a wacko"

Uhhh.  The moderate Republican line.  Are there any moderate democrats?

Anyway, the BOE in my district is fascinating.  It had the same members for
about 20 years (both parties).  Why in God's name would these people stay in
such a position long after their children have flown the coop?  It's not
hard to imagine many answers.  And our school district is terrible.  What
makes this interesting is that it is better than almost every school system
around us.

J

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RE: Meteor

[Eric Roberts]

Then that means he supports all of the other stupid bullshit republicans
represent...whether or not he personally does or not.

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:51 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Meteor


I used to work with a guy who had very liberal views, with one exception,
abortion. He was against every other republican ideal, except abortion - and
because of that, he was a registered republican and voted down party lines
in every election.

I have know others who do the same thing, but with the democratic party (and
different issues).

People like that sometimes make me wish voting was not a right, but
something to be earned.


On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM, GMoney  wrote:

>
> This is true, but you decide what's important to you, what you can 
> stomach, and then if you affix your name, you take all that comes with 
> it. Many republicans aren't anti-science, a lot of them aren't 
> anti-gay eitherbut they are anti abortion or anti big government 
> or whatever, and so they register as republicans and just abide the 
> stuff they don't like.
>
> Which is silly, in my opinion. I think the majority of 
> Republicansand probably Democrats too...would be better off
registering as independents.
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't think it is fair to say 'Republican attack on science'.
> >
> > Just because most of the people pushing the 'religion as science' 
> > agenda are republican, does not necessarily mean all republicans 
> > feel the same way.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson 
> >  > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Yes. That was awesome. And scary. And awesome.
> > >
> > > 500 years ago, this would have made someone a king.
> > >
> > > (or 100 years from now if the Republican attack on science 
> > > succeeds)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:23 PM, GMoney  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Yer in for a treat dudesome of the best fireball/meteor 
> > > > videos
> i've
> > > > ever seen.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Meteor

[Eric Roberts]

If it is most, most also meaning majority,  doesn't that also mean that
republicans support it...that is  how a platform is determined...by a
majority opinion...not the minority opinion...   Not every republican agrees
with the republican platform as a whole, but it is still the platform and
what defines a republican.  Not all republicans are anti-gay (aka log cabin
republicans) but the republican platform is anti-gay (by anti-gay I mean
anti-gay rights...anti-gay marriage, etc, etc...)

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 10:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Meteor


I don't think it is fair to say 'Republican attack on science'.

Just because most of the people pushing the 'religion as science' agenda are
republican, does not necessarily mean all republicans feel the same way.


On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:

>
> Yes. That was awesome. And scary. And awesome.
>
> 500 years ago, this would have made someone a king.
>
> (or 100 years from now if the Republican attack on science succeeds)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:23 PM, GMoney  wrote:
>
> >
> > Yer in for a treat dudesome of the best fireball/meteor videos 
> > i've ever seen.
> >
>
>
> 



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RE: Meteor

[Eric Roberts]

Awesome videos...

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 3:04 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Meteor


Some of these videos are just effing amazing...especially some of the ones
taken by where the thing broke upwhere you can hear the glass breaking
and the sonic booms..amazing:

http://zyalt.livejournal.com/722930.html

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RE: New data shows obamacare reducing costs overall

[Eric Roberts]

Or to dump patients that can't pay in skid row with...

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:37 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: New data shows obamacare reducing costs overall


You don't need a scalpel to clean up health care waste, you need a front-end
loader and a convoy of dump trucks.  Maybe he could borrow the ones the CEOs
of the hospital corporations use to take their money to the bank.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Sam  wrote:

>
> Obama said he was going to use a scalpel on the budget. Maybe he can 
> do the same with health care waste.
>




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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

That is true...if you are unemployed...many companies won't even consider
you...which should be illegal.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:34 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


Unfortunately, companies are still poaching employees. What's sad is you
have to have a job to get one.

.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Eric Roberts
 wrote:
>
> When times are good and it's an employee's market...you are right.  
> When there are 20 people waiting for your job...people are less likely 
> to quit for any reason
>



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this is cool...

[Eric Roberts]

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/148247-german-student-creates-electromagn
etic-harvester-that-gathers-free-electricity-from-thin-air



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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

When times are good and it's an employee's market...you are right.  When
there are 20 people waiting for your job...people are less likely to quit
for any reason

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:01 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


Companies renew plans each year. If you want to maintain the best employees,
you will make sure they are happy with your benefits.
Google offers free breakfast, lunch and dinner as an attempt to attract and
keep employees. Trust me, companies that want to succeed try hard to keep
employees satisfied.

.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Eric Roberts
 wrote:
>
> When Patients have little or no choice but to buy your insurance 
> because that is what is offered by their employer, there is less 
> incentive to be patient friendly as companies won't change the 
> insurance if the price is good unless they have a lot of complaints 
> about it.  So even if their service sucks, companies will buy it if it 
> is cheap...it's all oriented to the shareholder. The market pressures 
> in this case are muted because it is the employer, not the consumer 
> that is making the decision as to who the insurance provider would be.
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RE: Time to Re-Pope

[Eric Roberts]

His biggest hit was as lead singer of Nazareth ;-)

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:16 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Time to Re-Pope


Man, you guys are on a damned roll today :) On Feb 15, 2013 2:11 PM,
"zaphod"  wrote:

>
> I think VH1 should do a Behind the Music-esque special where they go 
> into depth about what he was doing during those 21 years.
>
> "Jesus then floated from band to band and while the "Bethlehem City 
> Rollers" did have a strong local following and their song "Sabbath-day 
> Night" did chart, they never broke out beyond it's borders.  Jesus 
> soon tired of the constant touring, lame donkeys and sandstorms.  It 
> was then he started thinking up ways to have the fans come to him
instead."
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2013, at 3:37 PM, GMoney  wrote:
>
> >
> > He was born in a barn, then when he was 9, he preached in a temple.
> >
> > Then he disappeared for 21 years or sopresumably he went to high 
> > school, got acne, got a girlfriend, broke up, bought a pony, suped 
> > it up, tried drugs, grew out of that, moved out, got a job (carpenter),
etc.
> etc.
> > This is the part of the story where, if you were turning it into a 
> > made
> for
> > TV movie, you'd do a montage to the music of Bob Seger.
> >
> > So anyway, he turns back up at 30 and then basically fits a lifetime 
> > of shit into 3 event filled years, which ends with a pretty nasty
hanging.
> But
> > if you believe his droogs, three days later he's given a 40 day 
> > reprieve, during which he haunts a few people and forever taints the 
> > name "Thomas"...before a stiff breeze carries him away.
> >
> > So naw, they didn't miss him.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Sam  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Didn't they almost miss him last time?
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM, GMoney  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Won't notice? Don't most Christians think his next return will be
> during
> >>> the rapture?
> >>>
> >>> If so, i think people might notice.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Time to Re-Pope

[Eric Roberts]

Jesus as a rock star was the basis for the musical  Jesus Christ,
Superstar...  LOL

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Time to Re-Pope


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:13 AM, zaphod  wrote:

>
> I think VH1 should do a Behind the Music-esque special where they go 
> into depth about what he was doing during those 21 years.
>
> "Jesus then floated from band to band and while the "Bethlehem City 
> Rollers" did have a strong local following and their song "Sabbath-day 
> Night" did chart, they never broke out beyond it's borders.  Jesus 
> soon tired of the constant touring, lame donkeys and sandstorms.  It 
> was then he started thinking up ways to have the fans come to him
instead."
>

"But just when it looked like Jesus had it all...it would all come crashing
downwhen Behind the Savior continues"



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RE: Atlanta Beltline Project

[Eric Roberts]

A lot of old rail lines were torn and used for bike paths.  They did that
here in the Chicago area to form the Prairie path and the Great Northern
Trail.

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:44 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Atlanta Beltline Project


"Until last year, the old railroad tracks that snaked through east Atlanta
were derelict. Kudzu, broken bottles and plastic bags covered the rusting
rails.

But these days, the two-mile corridor bustles with joggers, bikers and
commuters. Along a trail lined with pine and sassafras trees, condos are
under construction and a streetcar is planned."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/us/beltline-provides-new-life-to-railroad-
tracks-in-atlanta.html

This development project is literally on my back doorstep. About 3 feet away
from it actually. Very exciting to see it getting this coverage from the
NYT.

/brag

-Cameron

...




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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

When Patients have little or no choice but to buy your insurance because
that is what is offered by their employer, there is less incentive to be
patient friendly as companies won't change the insurance if the price is
good unless they have a lot of complaints about it.  So even if their
service sucks, companies will buy it if it is cheap...it's all oriented to
the shareholder. The market pressures in this case are muted because it is
the employer, not the consumer that is making the decision as to who the
insurance provider would be.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:50 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> That is not what I am saying. I am saying that with publicly traded 
> companies that offer health insurance, the interests of the 
> shareholders will always trump the interests of the patients.

The shareholder is only happy when the company is prosperous, if the
patients aren't happy they don't buy the insurance and the shareholders lose
money.

> We have a great healthcare plan - other than having to call Aetna 
> several times a month because stuff was not processed correctly, I 
> really have no complaints.. I understand, though, that I (and you, it
> seems) are in the minority, and for many Americans, they do not have 
> that advantage.

If I remember correctly, before ObamaCare the US ranked number 1 in customer
satisfaction with health care. So I don't know why you think we're the only
ones.

.



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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

Issues with depleting the ozone also cause issues with asthmatics.  I am
surprised they used CFC's in Primateen.  I tried it once when I had left my
inhaler at home and was having some issues...so I stopped at a local
drugstore and got some primateen.  It made the asthma attack worse and ended
up just going to the ER

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:45 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


Actually it was done in 1989 and extended in 2008 to 2012. Another
extension, at least until 2015 when the new patents expire, would have been
a good thing. But affordable health care and saving lives obviously isn't as
important as the ozone these days. Obviously.

.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Maureen  wrote:
>
> Which was done by the FDA with final approval in 2008, so it obviously 
> has absolutely nothing to do with AHCA.
>



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RE: I am speechless

[Eric Roberts]

Damn...I did so many pushups I think I lost count in my first week LOL

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:17 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: I am speechless


Yeah. And the medal is for drone pilots and cyberwarfare folks. Story is
here: 
http://www.armytimes.com/mobile/news/2013/02/military-new-medal-for-drone-pi
lots-outranks-bronze-star-021313

You should see basic training now. It's a joke. The privates are still
scared of us NCO's and are easily flustered, but they are Coddled. DS can
only drop them for 5 push-ups, can't smoke the shit out of them anymore. Man
things have changed. 
Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:57 PM, LRS Scout  wrote:

> 
> It's really changed huh?
> 
> I think we're heading to another Clinton style draw down with all the 
> bull shit that entails.
> On Feb 14, 2013 5:54 PM, "Bruce Sorge"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> So a new medal was created for the people who sit in nice air 
>> conditioned rooms thousands of miles away from ANY real danger. No 
>> issues there. They help those of us slogging it out on the ground. 
>> What has me speechless is the fact that it will rank ABOVE the Bronze 
>> Star medal, a medal that if awarded with a V device denotes valor in 
>> combat. Really? POGS whined because the infantry has a special badge, 
>> the Combat Infantryman Badge as well as the Expert Infantry Badge, so 
>> they have their own special badge, the Combat Action Badge. Now we 
>> give them a medal that is higher than a valor award. Wow.
>> And for the record, the BSM is also awarded to certain people who 
>> performed well in a combat zone but did not do anything valorous. 
>> This is a real slap in the face year for combat troops. Women maybe 
>> being in front line jobs, and now this. I am so glad I am retiring soon.
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4S.
> 
> 



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RE: I am speechless

[Eric Roberts]

I know that back in 1986 when I did my basic at Ft. Leonard Wood, that was
around when they stopped Drills from being able to touch you (aka slap,
punch,kick,etc)...

-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:21 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: I am speechless


I had a close friend who nearly died from a ruptured spleen due to being
kicked in the gut by a drill Sergent during basic training at Parris Island
back in the 60s.  If that type of treatment no longer happens, I approve of
the changes.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> You should see basic training now. It's a joke. The privates are still 
> scared of us NCO's and are easily flustered, but they are Coddled. DS 
> can only drop them for 5 push-ups, can't smoke the shit out of them 
> anymore. Man things have changed.
>




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RE: I am speechless

[Eric Roberts]

It should be a the combat typewriter badge LOL

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:54 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: I am speechless


So a new medal was created for the people who sit in nice air conditioned
rooms thousands of miles away from ANY real danger. No issues there. They
help those of us slogging it out on the ground. What has me speechless is
the fact that it will rank ABOVE the Bronze Star medal, a medal that if
awarded with a V device denotes valor in combat. Really? POGS whined because
the infantry has a special badge, the Combat Infantryman Badge as well as
the Expert Infantry Badge, so they have their own special badge, the Combat
Action Badge. Now we give them a medal that is higher than a valor award.
Wow.
 And for the record, the BSM is also awarded to certain people who performed
well in a combat zone but did not do anything valorous. This is a real slap
in the face year for combat troops. Women maybe being in front line jobs,
and now this. I am so glad I am retiring soon.

Bruce

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 



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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

That was years ago...and that has nothing to do with his insurance or
Obamacare. It was banned because it uses chlorofluorocarbons as the
propellant...CFC's eat away at the ozone layer.

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:33 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


Maybe it's this,
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2011/09/22/say-bye-bye-to-primatene-mist-at-leas
t-in-its-current-form/

I'll ask him




On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Maureen  wrote:
>
> Define banned.
>
>



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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

Refer back to Tim's statement about the difference in 10% profit and 250%
profit...

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:14 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


I guess I am paying for that then.

Before, my insurance company refused people like Larry (apparently), and
offered me low premiums and high levels of coverage. Now they cover people
that will be very expensiveso they need to get money from somewhere
else.and that somewhere else is me.

I can see the social morality in that I guess.i guess. I want Larry
to have access to affordable health care but..a 4000% rise in my medical
bills? I meanthat'sthat's steep.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Maureen  wrote:

>
> The Affordable Health Care Act requires the coverage of pre-existing 
> conditions, so yes, it would help him.
>
> There are no bans of any type of drug or procedure in the AHCA so if 
> your accountant's drugs were banned he needs to place the blame where 
> it goes, either on the FDA or the insurer, if it was simply removed 
> from coverage and not actually banned.
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Sam  wrote:
>
> >
> > Unfortunately, a pre-existing condition like that is very expensive 
> > and no insurance would willingly lose money on you. Your option 
> > would be to get insurance through work and the insurance co's have 
> > no choice but to pay. I'm not saying that's ideal but you have 
> > options. It would be great if we fixed it but Obamacare doesn't make 
> > it better for you, it makes it worse for everybody. My accountant 
> > was complaining that his Asthma meds are banned now and he's afraid 
> > he'll die. Not sure if it's ObamaCare or FDA but he's pissed at Obama.
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Larry C. Lyons 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sam,
> > >
> > > I have type 1 diabetes. Before I was able to get that very 
> > > expensive insurance I talked with 5 other companies. My wife 
> > > talked with a few more. Most outright refused us as soon as they heard
about diabetes.
> > > I've heard similar for people with asthma. Insurance for us ended 
> > > up being much more expensive, 900 for one person vs $400 for a 
> > > person and child.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Eric Roberts 
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Most people can't because of chronic illness.
> > >>
> >
> >
>
> 



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RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act

[Eric Roberts]

I do...I tried this before I realized I had VA healthcare benefits...

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 4:27 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act


I thought you had VA benefits?
On Feb 14, 2013 5:21 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> I have both and talked to every insurance company I could find and 
> none of them would insure me.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:16 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act
>
>
> Sam,
>
> I have type 1 diabetes. Before I was able to get that very expensive 
> insurance I talked with 5 other companies. My wife talked with a few more.
> Most outright refused us as soon as they heard about diabetes.
> I've heard similar for people with asthma. Insurance for us ended up 
> being much more expensive, 900 for one person vs $400 for a person and
child.
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Eric Roberts 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Most people can't because of chronic illness.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:53 PM
> > To: cf-community
> > Subject: Re: Latest News on the The Affordable Care Act
> >
> >
> > Or get your own insurance.
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Sam  wrote:
> >> And that sucks if you work in the stick where there's only one 
> >> company hiring. Otherwise change jobs.
> >>
> >> .
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Time to Re-Pope

[Eric Roberts]

Iowa Republicans just propsed this bill...

http://www.policymic.com/articles/25829/iowa-abortion-bill-proposed-legislat
ion-could-send-one-third-of-women-to-jail

-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:54 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: Time to Re-Pope


Oh be a litte more polarizing and extreme will you?

For christ's sake man, you're smarter than that broad ass shit.
On Feb 14, 2013 1:45 PM, "Eric Roberts" 
wrote:

>
> A FEW?  LOL.  The entire Republican party is a bunch of thumpers 
> trying to force the Christian version of Sharia law down our throats every
day...from
> gay marriage to abortion to prayer in school.That cave you livein Sam
> must be pretty hermetically sealed.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:36 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Time to Re-Pope
>
>
> I don't agree.
> While a few thumpers might try to change policy, it's not that likely.
> But the infringing on freedom to worship is getting stronger each year.
>
> .
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM, GMoney  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Judah McAuley
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I can see that. I tend to view it the opposite way because the 
> >> bible thumpers tend to have a concrete impact on my life (see 
> >> marriage equality laws, prayer in school, buying liquor on Sunday, 
> >> lack of coverage for birth control in health plans, etc) whereas 
> >> militant atheists tend to be fairly harmless cranks.  If Atheists 
> >> were running government and trying to clamp down on otherwise chill 
> >> religious folks, I'd probably feel the other way around.
> >>
> >
> > I agree with what everyone's said. It would seem that perhaps we 
> > feel that while mouthy atheists are more annoying, the bible 
> > thumpers are perhaps more dangerous, since they actually carry 
> > influence and can
> affect
> policy.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Time to Re-Pope

[Eric Roberts]

LOL

-Original Message-
From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:37 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Time to Re-Pope


He was born in a barn, then when he was 9, he preached in a temple.

Then he disappeared for 21 years or sopresumably he went to high school,
got acne, got a girlfriend, broke up, bought a pony, suped it up, tried
drugs, grew out of that, moved out, got a job (carpenter), etc. etc.
This is the part of the story where, if you were turning it into a made for
TV movie, you'd do a montage to the music of Bob Seger.

So anyway, he turns back up at 30 and then basically fits a lifetime of shit
into 3 event filled years, which ends with a pretty nasty hanging. But if
you believe his droogs, three days later he's given a 40 day reprieve,
during which he haunts a few people and forever taints the name
"Thomas"...before a stiff breeze carries him away.

So naw, they didn't miss him.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Sam  wrote:

>
> Didn't they almost miss him last time?
>
> .
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM, GMoney  wrote:
> >
> > Won't notice? Don't most Christians think his next return will be 
> > during the rapture?
> >
> > If so, i think people might notice.
> >
>
> 



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RE: Time to Re-Pope

[Eric Roberts]

Christians didn't exist when he supposedly came the last time...

-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:30 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Time to Re-Pope


Didn't they almost miss him last time?

.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:07 PM, GMoney  wrote:
>
> Won't notice? Don't most Christians think his next return will be 
> during the rapture?
>
> If so, i think people might notice.
>



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