Re: Client Vars again

[Bud]

On 9/8/02, Joe Bastian penned:
Susan,
 Cflocation is a client side redirect .. in effect it changes the
header info
 of the clients browser to the new url page.. so NO variables will be
set by the caller.

Any local/session/client/application variables, and queries, etc., 
will work as normal on any code before the cflocation. But no cookies 
will be set on that page.
-- 

Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations

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OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Michael Kear]

Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a percentage of
the gross from the site they're working on?


I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance that his site Is
going to make a mint,  and I'd be much better off taking 20% of the gross
revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly rate.I can
see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll be able to
verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably have it pay me direct to
my account from the credit card transactions.


He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well with his site ..
he has orders backing up already before the site's even started, but all my
instincts are telling me to say no thanks I'll take my chances with a fee
for service.


I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, but I was
wondering if anyone else has made this sort of arrangement and how it's
worked out.


Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks



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Re: CFObject in CFMX

[Sean A Corfield]

On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
  I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX doesnt
  like something...

 cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
 cfset x=obj.getString()

 it creates the object obj but says there is an error on obj.getString(
 )

Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will dump 
out a Java object will all the methods.

It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires that you 
call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly constructed.
  I think your code should read:

cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
cfset obj.init()
cfset x=obj.getString()

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

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RE: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Lee Fuller]

Short answer:  If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that..
Etc..etc.

Long answer:  But.. There are probably a few sites we've passed on that
we shouldn't have, due to the fact that they are now making quite a bit,
from what we're told.

Suggestion:  Assume you're not going to get anything out of it.. and if
you have the time to spare, go for it.  If you don't have the time,
don't bother.

Just my .02




| -Original Message-
| From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:15 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?
| 
| 
| Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a 
| percentage of the gross from the site they're working on?
| 
| 
| I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance 
| that his site Is going to make a mint,  and I'd be much 
| better off taking 20% of the gross
| revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly 
| rate.I can
| see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll 
| be able to verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably 
| have it pay me direct to my account from the credit card transactions.
| 
| 
| He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well 
| with his site ..
| he has orders backing up already before the site's even 
| started, but all my instincts are telling me to say no 
| thanks I'll take my chances with a fee for service.
| 
| 
| I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, 
| but I was wondering if anyone else has made this sort of 
| arrangement and how it's worked out.
| 
| 
| Cheers,
| Mike Kear
| Windsor, NSW, Australia
| AFP WebWorks
| 
| 
| 
| 
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Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Alex]

Stock options used to be popular too. I would recommend
charging an hourly rate.

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Michael Kear wrote:

 Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a percentage of
 the gross from the site they're working on?


 I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance that his site Is
 going to make a mint,  and I'd be much better off taking 20% of the gross
 revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly rate.I can
 see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll be able to
 verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably have it pay me direct to
 my account from the credit card transactions.


 He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well with his site ..
 he has orders backing up already before the site's even started, but all my
 instincts are telling me to say no thanks I'll take my chances with a fee
 for service.


 I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, but I was
 wondering if anyone else has made this sort of arrangement and how it's
 worked out.


 Cheers,
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 AFP WebWorks



 
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RE: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Tom Nunamaker]

Why not an option for you to choose?  How about this:

Keep track of the hours you spend building the site.  Multiply that by
some rate...suppose $30/hour for the sake of discussion.  That is the
your minimum fee.  If the site hasn't generated $XX of profit in 6
months, you get your hourly rate fee.  If it does meet or exceed the
profit goal, you get a percent of gross.



-Original Message-
From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?


Stock options used to be popular too. I would recommend charging an
hourly rate.

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Michael Kear wrote:

 Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a percentage

 of the gross from the site they're working on?


 I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance that his 
 site Is going to make a mint,  and I'd be much better off taking 20%
of the gross
 revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly rate.I
can
 see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll be able 
 to verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably have it pay me 
 direct to my account from the credit card transactions.


 He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well with his
site ..
 he has orders backing up already before the site's even started, but 
 all my instincts are telling me to say no thanks I'll take my chances

 with a fee for service.


 I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, but I was

 wondering if anyone else has made this sort of arrangement and how 
 it's worked out.


 Cheers,
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 AFP WebWorks



 

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Saving a static version of a website

[E C list]

Hi All,I am charged with making a static version of an interactive, ColdFusion-based 
website that uses Search Engine Safe URLs.  I've tried a few of the website 
downloading utilities that you can get from download.com, but none of those are able 
to succesfully follow all of the links on my site (and I am not sure why, except that 
some of urls are rather long).  As the site changes frequently, I am going to need to 
redo this fairly often, but if possible, I'd like to avoid writing or adjusting code 
to accommodate this task.Does anyone have any suggestions or recommendations.Thank you.


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Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Jeffry Houser]

  I have a few things to say, but instead of stealing others words as my 
own, read this thread:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=threadsforumid=11displaydate=04/26/2002

  I strongly recommend reading Ryan Hartwich's post (first reply ) at least 
twice.

At 12:14 AM 9/9/2002 +1000, you wrote:
Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a percentage of
the gross from the site they're working on?


I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance that his site Is
going to make a mint,  and I'd be much better off taking 20% of the gross
revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly rate.I can
see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll be able to
verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably have it pay me direct to
my account from the credit card transactions.


He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well with his site ..
he has orders backing up already before the site's even started, but all my
instincts are telling me to say no thanks I'll take my chances with a fee
for service.


I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, but I was
wondering if anyone else has made this sort of arrangement and how it's
worked out.


Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks




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RE: Saving a static version of a website

[Les Mizzell]

: Hi All,I am charged with making a static version of an
: interactive, ColdFusion-based website

I may be wrong, but at some point I swear there was an extension for
Ultradev that would spit out a static version of a dynamic site.

Elementals Drumbeat used to do this with ASP sites. Was a great
development tool when you had some hard headed client that was using some
weird hosting scheme that wouldn't allow a database. You could develop
dynamically locally, and then generate a static version of the same site to
publish on the server...

You might ask about this over on one of the Macromedia Cold Fusion forums.
If it exist, it would save you a ton of hours each time something in the
database changed.


Les

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Re: Saving a static version of a website

[Jason Miller]

I have been unsuccesful as well with some of the download utitilies. 
This would be great if UltraDev did indeed have this. Just wanted to 
post my interest if this is found - I would appreciate a note to the list.

I will do the same if I should happen to solve the issue adequately.
Thanks,
Jay Miller

Les Mizzell wrote:

: Hi All,I am charged with making a static version of an
: interactive, ColdFusion-based website

I may be wrong, but at some point I swear there was an extension for
Ultradev that would spit out a static version of a dynamic site.

Elementals Drumbeat used to do this with ASP sites. Was a great
development tool when you had some hard headed client that was using some
weird hosting scheme that wouldn't allow a database. You could develop
dynamically locally, and then generate a static version of the same site to
publish on the server...

You might ask about this over on one of the Macromedia Cold Fusion forums.
If it exist, it would save you a ton of hours each time something in the
database changed.


Les


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RE: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Tony Weeg]

i always get something up front that will cover my basic hourly 
charge ($75/hour) for the work that i envision to be necessary to
complete
said job.  from there, i say, rather than upcharge you for unforeseen
design changes in the future, and for maintenance of this new website, i
will
do those thingsfor a percentage of the gross, or a per transaction
charge
of a couple of cents, (depending on volume of sale vs. high-frequency
type site.)

but then again, thats not to say that paul allen was an idiot
for sticking around with Bill the Dreamer

you know? its a tough decision with no right or wrong answer...both are
rightboth
are wronggo with your gut feeling.

but without fail, get something up front, if the total design cost in
your
head should be $15,000 get at least half of that up front, and see from
there!

tony


-Original Message-
From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?


Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a percentage
of
the gross from the site they're working on?


I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance that his site
Is
going to make a mint,  and I'd be much better off taking 20% of the
gross
revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly rate.I
can
see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll be able to
verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably have it pay me direct
to
my account from the credit card transactions.


He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well with his
site ..
he has orders backing up already before the site's even started, but all
my
instincts are telling me to say no thanks I'll take my chances with a
fee
for service.


I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, but I was
wondering if anyone else has made this sort of arrangement and how it's
worked out.


Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks




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Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Jason Miller]

Excellent replies and posts in that. I personally have 4 or 5 times
kicked myself for not asking for percentage.. but always happy that I am
getting reimbursed at least not totally gambling.

All that has been mentioned about picking up partners, starting new
businesses, funneling sales through other channels to get around to
reducing the profits owed to you is true and happens constantly.

Currently with all the  give me a good deal - I promise more work
clients - and I am sure many can agree with this - are all the clients
who promise the most and deliver the least. Unless you have a long term
standing relationship - which is still risky - it is riskier than tech
stocks to take profits as there are too many loop holes in it. Here
seems to be the option
1) Either on paper become an actual legal binding business part with
stake in the new venture
2) Take your fees up front - you may not get rich but your getting paid
3) Take a complete risk if you have time and money to kill

I truly believe the guys wheeling and dealing are only making themselves
richer, promising what they intend to keep. Most of the time they
additionally are making these terms because they can't afford wha they
want - and that is a vicious cycle. Everyone knows you get a raise you
don't know how you lived below that level. Imagine a business seeing
this money come in - humans are unfortunately a greedy bunch and the
chances of accurate delivery OR lengthy residual are slim.

good luck
jay miller

Jeffry Houser wrote:


  I have a few things to say, but instead of stealing others words as my

own, read this thread:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=threads
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=threadsforumid=
11displaydate=04/26/2002 forumid=11displaydate=04/26/2002

  I strongly recommend reading Ryan Hartwich's post (first reply ) at
least 
twice.

At 12:14 AM 9/9/2002 +1000, you wrote:

Is anyone here being paid for their development work with a percentage
of
the gross from the site they're working on?


I have a client who's telling me with convincing assurance that his site
Is
going to make a mint,  and I'd be much better off taking 20% of the
gross
revenue than charging a fee for service based on my hourly rate.I
can
see every transaction going through the site, so I know I'll be able to
verify how much I'm owed.  In fact I can probably have it pay me direct
to
my account from the credit card transactions.


He's probably right,   he's probably going to do quite well with his
site ..
he has orders backing up already before the site's even started, but all
my
instincts are telling me to say no thanks I'll take my chances with a
fee
for service.


I know it's up to me to decide which way I'll be better off, but I was
wondering if anyone else has made this sort of arrangement an

d how it's
worked out.


Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks






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RE: CFObject in CFMX

[Joe Eugene]

Sean,
If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie calls the
constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default constructor
should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you have
to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...

Myclass mc = new Myclass(); // default
Myclass mc = new Myclass(10,20); // same as obj.init(10,20)

Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare the class
as public to get this working...
so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}... i know i
tried this
earlier.. but one BIG DEBUG PROBLEM.. after CFMX loads the class the first
time
and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD class in
memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...
Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the server in the
middle of productionAppreciate your help.

Thanks
Joe
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX


On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
  I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX doesnt
  like something...

 cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
 cfset x=obj.getString()

 it creates the object obj but says there is an error on obj.getString(
 )

Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will dump
out a Java object will all the methods.

It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires that you
call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly constructed.
  I think your code should read:

cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
cfset obj.init()
cfset x=obj.getString()

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
-- Margaret Atwood


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Re: Saving a static version of a website

[Zac Spitzer]

Jason Miller wrote:
 I have been unsuccesful as well with some of the download utitilies. 
 This would be great if UltraDev did indeed have this. Just wanted to 
 post my interest if this is found - I would appreciate a note to the list.
 
 I will do the same if I should happen to solve the issue adequately.
 Thanks,
 Jay Miller


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RE: CFObject in CFMX

[Matt Liotta]

 It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires that
you
 call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly
constructed.
   I think your code should read:
 
Calling init() is NOT required. You only need to call init() if you want
to pass parameters to the constructor. If you don't call init(), the
default constructor will be called before the first method is called.

-Matt

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RE: CFObject in CFMX

[Matt Liotta]

CFMX can be configured to have a hot load directory that detects changes
to Java classes and reloads them. You have to change an XML
configuration file for this, so check the documentation.

Matt Liotta
President  CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:14 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
 
 Sean,
   If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie
calls
 the
   constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default
constructor
   should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you
have
   to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...
 
   Myclass mc = new Myclass(); // default
   Myclass mc = new Myclass(10,20); // same as obj.init(10,20)
 
   Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare
the
 class
   as public to get this working...
   so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...
i
 know i
 tried this
   earlier.. but one BIG DEBUG PROBLEM.. after CFMX loads the class
the
 first
 time
   and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD
 class in
   memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...
   Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the
server
 in the
   middle of productionAppreciate your help.
 
 Thanks
 Joe
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:18 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
 
 
 On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
   I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX doesnt
   like something...
 
  cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
  cfset x=obj.getString()
 
  it creates the object obj but says there is an error on
 obj.getString(
  )
 
 Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will
dump
 out a Java object will all the methods.
 
 It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires that
you
 call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly
constructed.
   I think your code should read:
 
 cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
 cfset obj.init()
 cfset x=obj.getString()
 
 Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
 
 If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
 -- Margaret Atwood
 
 
 
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RE: Saving a static version of a website

[E C list]

Thanks to everyone who responded.  I finally found
something that did exactly what I needed, and did it
right the first time: teleport pro.



-Original Message-
From: Zac Spitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Saving a static version of a website


Jason Miller wrote:
 I have been unsuccesful as well with some of the
download utitilies. 
 This would be great if UltraDev did indeed have
this. Just wanted to 
 post my interest if this is found - I would
appreciate a note to the list.
 
 I will do the same if I should happen to solve the
issue adequately.
 Thanks,
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Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Ryan Hartwich]

Jeffry,

Thanks for the recommendation that others read my reply from before!  I
love being referenced!

I reread my message from before and stand by it.  I'm still owed over
10k by my former employer who 'deferred' employee pay for a while and
managed to not write us contracts stipulating such.  They have since
closed their doors and I seriously doubt I will ever get my money.
Everyone should CYA and remember that if they don't cover themselves and
their opponent/business partner does, they will loose. 

Almost without fail, someone comes out the winner with the other
'loosing' and the more you protect your self the closer to 50/50 you can
make it.  Being fair and nice only goes so far in this day and age, you
have to watch out for yourself.

Ryan

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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:20:59 -0400
From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT:  Paid by a percentage of the gross??  Anyone?
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I have a few things to say, but instead of stealing others words as my

own, read this thread:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=threadsforumid=1
1displaydate=04/26/2002

  I strongly recommend reading Ryan Hartwich's post (first reply ) at
least 
twice.



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Re: CFObject in CFMX

[Joe Eugene]

Matt,
Do you know why you have to be explicit on declaring the class as
public/private...CFMX doesnt
take default.
eg.. CFMX doesnt like
   class ChkStrings{}
it should be
  public class ChkStrings{}
The Java construct works fine without an explicit declaration of
public and u are able to
instanciate the class object.. call methods and whatever.. but..
CFMX doesnt like this. CFMX
creates the object but doesnt realize any public methods in the
class.
Joe


- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX


 CFMX can be configured to have a hot load directory that detects changes
 to Java classes and reloads them. You have to change an XML
 configuration file for this, so check the documentation.

 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901

  -Original Message-
  From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:14 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
 
  Sean,
  If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie
 calls
  the
  constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default
 constructor
  should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you
 have
  to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...
 
  Myclass mc = new Myclass(); // default
  Myclass mc = new Myclass(10,20); // same as obj.init(10,20)
 
  Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare
 the
  class
  as public to get this working...
  so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...
 i
  know i
  tried this
  earlier.. but one BIG DEBUG PROBLEM.. after CFMX loads the class
 the
  first
  time
  and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD
  class in
  memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...
  Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the
 server
  in the
  middle of productionAppreciate your help.
 
  Thanks
  Joe
  Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:18 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
 
 
  On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX doesnt
like something...
  
   cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
   cfset x=obj.getString()
  
   it creates the object obj but says there is an error on
  obj.getString(
   )
 
  Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will
 dump
  out a Java object will all the methods.
 
  It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires that
 you
  call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly
 constructed.
I think your code should read:
 
  cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString name=obj
  cfset obj.init()
  cfset x=obj.getString()
 
  Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
 
  If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
  -- Margaret Atwood
 
 
 
 
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Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Al Musella, DPM]

   I have made a few mistakes on this topic in the past - from both sides 
of the fence. I won't bore you with the details, but my thoughts for the 
next try:

1. It is worth a try to spend a small part of your time on something like 
this, because you are never going to get rich working by the hour or 
job.  It is a fantastic feeling to get a check every month without doing 
work on the project!  On the other hand, don't put off paying projects to 
work on a gamble.

2. Set up the website as an ASP service.  You retain control / ownership of 
the website.  The client uses YOUR website to conduct business and they are 
charged a fee on a sliding scale per month.  They use your software for 
both the web business as well as internally for their call center.   You 
make it so you get some money every month, and the better the site does, 
the more you make, but you do not get so much money that it drives the 
owner elsewhere.  For example: (of course this could be orders of magnitude 
off...  it depends on how much work the site is)
20% of gross income from the website up to $10,000 per month, with a 
minimum payment of $500 / month.
10% of gross up to $100,000 month
 5 % over $100,000 / month.

3. Make sure the owner has the ability to supply the service or products 
you are trying to sell, and that it makes sense to you. Put yourself in the 
position of their users. Would you purchase the product / supply over the 
internet? I have been approached with many crazy ideas over the 
years.  They may have worked in the glory days, but don't have a shot now.
Make sure they have some money to advertise with and discuss that before 
doing any work.

Al
A1webs.com

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RE: CFObject in CFMX

[Matt Liotta]

No idea really, I could speculate, but what fun is that.

Matt Liotta
President  CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:56 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
 
 Matt,
 Do you know why you have to be explicit on declaring the
class
 as
 public/private...CFMX doesnt
 take default.
 eg.. CFMX doesnt like
class ChkStrings{}
 it should be
   public class ChkStrings{}
 The Java construct works fine without an explicit declaration
of
 public and u are able to
 instanciate the class object.. call methods and whatever..
but..
 CFMX doesnt like this. CFMX
 creates the object but doesnt realize any public methods in
the
 class.
 Joe
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:09 PM
 Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
 
 
  CFMX can be configured to have a hot load directory that detects
changes
  to Java classes and reloads them. You have to change an XML
  configuration file for this, so check the documentation.
 
  Matt Liotta
  President  CEO
  Montara Software, Inc.
  http://www.montarasoftware.com/
  888-408-0900 x901
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:14 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
  
   Sean,
   If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie
  calls
   the
   constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default
  constructor
   should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you
  have
   to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...
  
   Myclass mc = new Myclass(); // default
   Myclass mc = new Myclass(10,20); // same as obj.init(10,20)
  
   Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare
  the
   class
   as public to get this working...
   so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...
  i
   know i
   tried this
   earlier.. but one BIG DEBUG PROBLEM.. after CFMX loads the class
  the
   first
   time
   and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD
   class in
   memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...
   Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the
  server
   in the
   middle of productionAppreciate your help.
  
   Thanks
   Joe
   Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:18 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
  
  
   On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
 I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX
doesnt
 like something...
   
cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString
name=obj
cfset x=obj.getString()
   
it creates the object obj but says there is an error on
   obj.getString(
)
  
   Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will
  dump
   out a Java object will all the methods.
  
   It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires
that
  you
   call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly
  constructed.
 I think your code should read:
  
   cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString
name=obj
   cfset obj.init()
   cfset x=obj.getString()
  
   Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
  
   If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
   -- Margaret Atwood
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)

[Joe Eugene]

It looks like connectstring and some other params of query are
deprecated in CFMX.. so how do you go about doing a DNS-less connection in
CFMX?

Where are Java JDBC driver info's stored in CFMX? I would like to use the
TYPE IV
Java drivers making direct calls to the DB.. Theoretically.. this would give
the
best performance..since u bypass the ODBC layer right?

Joe

- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX


 No idea really, I could speculate, but what fun is that.

 Matt Liotta
 President  CEO
 Montara Software, Inc.
 http://www.montarasoftware.com/
 888-408-0900 x901

  -Original Message-
  From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:56 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
 
  Matt,
  Do you know why you have to be explicit on declaring the
 class
  as
  public/private...CFMX doesnt
  take default.
  eg.. CFMX doesnt like
 class ChkStrings{}
  it should be
public class ChkStrings{}
  The Java construct works fine without an explicit declaration
 of
  public and u are able to
  instanciate the class object.. call methods and whatever..
 but..
  CFMX doesnt like this. CFMX
  creates the object but doesnt realize any public methods in
 the
  class.
  Joe
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:09 PM
  Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
 
 
   CFMX can be configured to have a hot load directory that detects
 changes
   to Java classes and reloads them. You have to change an XML
   configuration file for this, so check the documentation.
  
   Matt Liotta
   President  CEO
   Montara Software, Inc.
   http://www.montarasoftware.com/
   888-408-0900 x901
  
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
   
Sean,
If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie
   calls
the
constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default
   constructor
should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you
   have
to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...
   
Myclass mc = new Myclass(); // default
Myclass mc = new Myclass(10,20); // same as obj.init(10,20)
   
Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare
   the
class
as public to get this working...
so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...
   i
know i
tried this
earlier.. but one BIG DEBUG PROBLEM.. after CFMX loads the class
   the
first
time
and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD
class in
memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...
Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the
   server
in the
middle of productionAppreciate your help.
   
Thanks
Joe
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
   
   
On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
  I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX
 doesnt
  like something...

 cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString
 name=obj
 cfset x=obj.getString()

 it creates the object obj but says there is an error on
obj.getString(
 )
   
Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will
   dump
out a Java object will all the methods.
   
It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires
 that
   you
call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly
   constructed.
  I think your code should read:
   
cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString
 name=obj
cfset obj.init()
cfset x=obj.getString()
   
Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
   
If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
-- Margaret Atwood
   
   
   
  
 
 
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Re: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)

[Jochem van Dieten]

Joe Eugene wrote:
 It looks like connectstring and some other params of query are
 deprecated in CFMX.. so how do you go about doing a DNS-less connection in
 CFMX?

Depends what you want. I'm not sure if you can get it as dynamic as with 
CF 5. But in many cases it is sufficient to just be able to create 
datasources on the fly. If that is the case, dig into the 
ServiceFactory. http://spike.oli.tudelft.nl/jochemd/index.cfm?PageID=12 
should get you started.

 Where are Java JDBC driver info's stored in CFMX?

Not sure if they are :) The settings for the default drivers are 
probably stored in some XML file, but for anything else they are not 
stored as properties of the driver but of the datasource.


 I would like to use the TYPE IV
 Java drivers making direct calls to the DB.. Theoretically.. this would give
 the best performance..since u bypass the ODBC layer right?

Theoretically yes. In practice it depends on the quality of the JDBC 
drivers. But you can administer Type IV JDBC Drivers through the CF MX 
Administrator just like any other driver. No need to use cfobject for that.

Jochem

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Re: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)

[Matthew Walker]

If you really need a DSN-less connection, you can try ADO. It's also useful
for grabbing info about columns and tables. I am using it for one project of
mine in MX.

http://cfhub.com/advanced/ado/adodb_query.cfm

- Original Message -
From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)


 It looks like connectstring and some other params of query are
 deprecated in CFMX.. so how do you go about doing a DNS-less connection in
 CFMX?

 Where are Java JDBC driver info's stored in CFMX? I would like to use the
 TYPE IV
 Java drivers making direct calls to the DB.. Theoretically.. this would
give
 the
 best performance..since u bypass the ODBC layer right?

 Joe

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:35 PM
 Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX


  No idea really, I could speculate, but what fun is that.
 
  Matt Liotta
  President  CEO
  Montara Software, Inc.
  http://www.montarasoftware.com/
  888-408-0900 x901
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:56 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX
  
   Matt,
   Do you know why you have to be explicit on declaring the
  class
   as
   public/private...CFMX doesnt
   take default.
   eg.. CFMX doesnt like
  class ChkStrings{}
   it should be
 public class ChkStrings{}
   The Java construct works fine without an explicit declaration
  of
   public and u are able to
   instanciate the class object.. call methods and whatever..
  but..
   CFMX doesnt like this. CFMX
   creates the object but doesnt realize any public methods in
  the
   class.
   Joe
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:09 PM
   Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX
  
  
CFMX can be configured to have a hot load directory that detects
  changes
to Java classes and reloads them. You have to change an XML
configuration file for this, so check the documentation.
   
Matt Liotta
President  CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
   
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:14 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX

 Sean,
 If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie
calls
 the
 constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default
constructor
 should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you
have
 to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...

 Myclass mc = new Myclass(); // default
 Myclass mc = new Myclass(10,20); // same as obj.init(10,20)

 Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare
the
 class
 as public to get this working...
 so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...
i
 know i
 tried this
 earlier.. but one BIG DEBUG PROBLEM.. after CFMX loads the class
the
 first
 time
 and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD
 class in
 memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...
 Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the
server
 in the
 middle of productionAppreciate your help.

 Thanks
 Joe
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 -Original Message-
 From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:18 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX


 On Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 09:08 , Joe Eugene wrote:
   I am trying to invoke a java class with CFobject and CFMX
  doesnt
   like something...
 
  cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString
  name=obj
  cfset x=obj.getString()
 
  it creates the object obj but says there is an error on
 obj.getString(
  )

 Use cfdump var=#obj# to see exactly what you created - it will
dump
 out a Java object will all the methods.

 It doesn't look like you're calling init() either - CF requires
  that
you
 call init() after creating the object so that it is correctly
constructed.
   I think your code should read:

 cfobject action=Create type=Java class=chkString
  name=obj
 cfset obj.init()
 cfset x=obj.getString()

 Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

 If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
 -- Margaret Atwood



   
  
 
 

RE: Saving a static version of a website

[Brian Thornton]

I like offline explorer 

-Original Message- 
From: Zac Spitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sun 9/8/2002 9:41 AM 
To: CF-Talk 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Saving a static version of a website



Jason Miller wrote:
 I have been unsuccesful as well with some of the download utitilies.
 This would be great if UltraDev did indeed have this. Just wanted to
 post my interest if this is found - I would appreciate a note to the list.

 I will do the same if I should happen to solve the issue adequately.
 Thanks,
 Jay Miller


gnu wget http://www.wget.org


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iif usage

[Ruslan Sivak]

Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.  

If I do

#iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#

and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
pointing to a valid query name

If I make it 

#iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
')))#

then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas is
false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')

What am I doing wrong?

Russ

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Re: iif usage

[Joe Eugene]

qryCustomer.allareas should be a 0 or any number other than 0 which is
True

your statment should look like below.. u dont need DE

#IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' , '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
)#

Which means if qryCustomer.allareas !=0 ...display ALL Areas
else
Display qryAreas.name list..

Joe


- Original Message -
From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: iif usage


 Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.

 If I do

 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
 Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#

 and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
 check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
 Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
 pointing to a valid query name

 If I make it

 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
 ')))#

 then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas is
 false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')

 What am I doing wrong?

 Russ

 
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Re: OT: Paid by a percentage of the gross?? Anyone?

[Jeffry Houser]

At 12:45 PM 09/08/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Jeffry,

Thanks for the recommendation that others read my reply from before!  I
love being referenced!

  ;)  IT was good advice then and I think it still stands true.

  If this wasn't said elsewhere, I would also ask for a marketing plan and 
sales forecast.  What are the plans if they don't get their expected income 
level?  Are the numbers that they are telling you believable?
  For instance, if they say We're going to have 5,000 customers and you 
say how will you get them and they say We have a mailing list of 10,000 
names and we'll do direct mail, then something is probably wrong.  If they 
say they have a mailing list of 10 million names, then 5,000 customer's is 
reasonable (maybe even low).

  I'll leave the archive link here just in case anyone is coming into this 
thread late:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=threadsforumid=1
1displaydate=04/26/2002



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RE: iif usage

[Ruslan Sivak]

#iif(qryCustomer.allareas,All Areas, '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
')#' )#

Doesn't work either.

Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
pointing to a valid query name

Russ
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: iif usage

qryCustomer.allareas should be a 0 or any number other than 0 which
is
True

your statment should look like below.. u dont need DE

#IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' ,
'#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
)#

Which means if qryCustomer.allareas !=0 ...display ALL Areas
else
Display qryAreas.name list..

Joe


- Original Message -
From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: iif usage


 Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.

 If I do

 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
 Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#

 and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
 check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
 Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must
be
 pointing to a valid query name

 If I make it

 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
 ')))#

 then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas
is
 false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')

 What am I doing wrong?

 Russ

 

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RE: iif usage

[Mike Townend]

Try

#IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, DE('All Areas'),
DE('#ValueList(qryAreas.Name)#'))#

Havent tested it but it should work...

The downside of using an IIF() against an if() statement is that the
true and false sections are always evaluated... Whereas a normal if
statement if its true the false is not looked at...

HTH



-Original Message-
From: Ruslan Sivak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2002 22:25
To: CF-Talk
Subject: iif usage


Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.  

If I do

#iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#

and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
pointing to a valid query name

If I make it 

#iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
')))#

then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas is
false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')

What am I doing wrong?

Russ


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Re: iif usage

[Joe Eugene]

Carefully note the usage of single and double quotes.. there are there for a
reason!
and make sure... u have the query.columnName.. u are pointing..to

#IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' , '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
)#


Joe
- Original Message -
From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: iif usage


 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,All Areas, '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
 ')#' )#

 Doesn't work either.

 Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
 pointing to a valid query name

 Russ
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:49 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: iif usage

 qryCustomer.allareas should be a 0 or any number other than 0 which
 is
 True

 your statment should look like below.. u dont need DE

 #IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' ,
 '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
 )#

 Which means if qryCustomer.allareas !=0 ...display ALL Areas
 else
 Display qryAreas.name list..

 Joe


 - Original Message -
 From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:24 PM
 Subject: iif usage


  Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.
 
  If I do
 
  #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
  Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#
 
  and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
  check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
  Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must
 be
  pointing to a valid query name
 
  If I make it
 
  #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
 Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
  ')))#
 
  then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas
 is
  false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')
 
  What am I doing wrong?
 
  Russ
 
 

 
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RE: iif usage

[Ruslan Sivak]

That's the whole point, Joe... I have the following code above it
cfif not qryCustomer.allareas 
cfquery name=qryAreas datasource=#request.dsn#
somequery
/cfquery
/cfif

So therefore, qryAreas.name will only be defined if qryCustomer.allareas
is false.  

I mean I have commented out the cfif above, so that the query runs in
either case, but I'd still like to know how to get the iif to work the
way I want it to. 

Russ

P.S.  Yes, sorry about missing the single quotes in the middle.  I have
the following code now, but still has the same problem if the qryAreas
is not defined and qryCustomer.allareas is true:

#iif(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' , '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
')#' )#
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: iif usage

Carefully note the usage of single and double quotes.. there are there
for a
reason!
and make sure... u have the query.columnName.. u are pointing..to

#IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' ,
'#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
)#


Joe
- Original Message -
From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: iif usage


 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,All Areas, '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
 ')#' )#

 Doesn't work either.

 Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
 pointing to a valid query name

 Russ
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:49 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: iif usage

 qryCustomer.allareas should be a 0 or any number other than 0
which
 is
 True

 your statment should look like below.. u dont need DE

 #IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' ,
 '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
 )#

 Which means if qryCustomer.allareas !=0 ...display ALL Areas
 else
 Display qryAreas.name list..

 Joe


 - Original Message -
 From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:24 PM
 Subject: iif usage


  Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.
 
  If I do
 
  #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
  Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#
 
  and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
  check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
  Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must
 be
  pointing to a valid query name
 
  If I make it
 
  #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
 Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
  ')))#
 
  then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas
 is
  false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')
 
  What am I doing wrong?
 
  Russ
 
 

 

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RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions

[Whiterod, David (PLNSA)]

Hi Guys,

I saw this in the list before - but could not see it in the archives. How do
you insert a cf expression in DWMX (the old shift + ctrl + e). I have seen
Neil's flash panel (from the DW exchange but is there a built in way in
DWMX?

cheers

David

-Original Message-
From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 6 September 2002 2:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions


Before to go back to Studio or HomeSite+, you should give a try and work
during a week or two with Dreamweaver MX.

Yes, it is slower than Homesite, but other than that, I personally won't go
back to CF Studio, all the features I like in CF Studio are available in
DWMX.
And in DWMX, by default, code hints work better and the syntax coloring is
cleaner.

My two cents.

Benoit

-Message d'origine-
De : charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoye : jeudi 5 septembre 2002 18:57
A : CF-Talk
Objet : Re: Dreamweaver MX opinions


jt writes:

 I started using Dreamweaver MX, but backed off and am now using CFStudio 5
 againjust can't beat it in my opinion.


Josh:

I'm about ready to go back to Studio 5...or even try Homesite+ (which I
understand is bundled on the Studio MX cd)...

my only concern is that eventually (i believe) MM will cease production of
HomeSite altogether, as it has with Studio, and Dreamweaver will be the only
alternative.  May as well get used to it now I figure :|

charlie



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 -Original Message-
 From: Trishan Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Dreamweaver MX opinions


 Code Snippits are great.. if they didnt now with MX require the pane to be
 open to use them no shortcut keys like the old custom toolbars let you set
 up

 Anyone try the RDS... ohh wait to do that you have to have a site set up
and
 if your site contains wav or mpgs the download errors...

 I miss my RDS explorer ability... PLEASE!!
 *grins*
 -
 Trishan Singh
 Paracom Technologies
 316-293-2900

 - Original Message -
 From: John McCosker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:39 AM
 Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions


 I wish MM would have kept Studio seperate from DW,
 F1 for help shotcuts is gone which I found so god darn useful,
 maybe its something else now, but I do remember trying a number of
 alternatives to no avail.



 -Original Message-
 From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:32 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Dreamweaver MX opinions


 I just installed DWMX the other day, after coming from Studio and
Homesite
 before it.

 I understand there will be a learning curve, and it will be uncomfortable
 for a few days...but here are a few of my current pet peeves:

 1) yes, it's slow loading.
 2) i'm used to ctrl-shift-b for br tag.  it took me forever to figure
 out
 how to add that to the keyboard shortcuts.  but even now that it's there,
 it

 puts the br, and then moves the cursor down to the next line :|
 3) no internal browser for preview.  i only recently started using this
in
 Studio, more for javascript than cf pages...just to see if it will run
 before even bothering to save it.  kind of got used to that.  unless I'm
 missing it, there is no way to do that in DWMX.

 I really wish that since MM had bothered to make a homesite/coder
 'view',
 that they would have kept the homesite shortcuts.

 just my thoughts.  i'm sure there will be more :)

 charlie


 Jochem van Dieten writes:

  Bryan Stevenson wrote:
  For me the one glaring issue with DW MX is it's slw.  So
 even
  after the learning curve it slows me down..SLS (still lovin
studio)
 ;-)
 
  Disable your virus scanner for the DW MX install dir (if you dare). It
  is all those pesky little files that really make a virusscanner crawl.
 
  Jochem
 
 






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RE: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)

[Dave Watts]

 It looks like connectstring and some other params of 
 query are deprecated in CFMX.. so how do you go about 
 doing a DNS-less connection in CFMX?

Dynamic connections aren't supported in CF MX. This is documented in the
release notes, I think, or in the regular documentation set itself. If I
recall correctly, this is a limitation of JDBC.

 Where are Java JDBC driver info's stored in CFMX? I would 
 like to use the TYPE IV Java drivers making direct calls 
 to the DB.. Theoretically.. this would give the best 
 performance..since u bypass the ODBC layer right?

There's no ODBC layer used when you create a CF MX datasource anyway, if
you're using a Type 4 driver. So, I don't think you'd get any performance
increase even if you could build a dynamic connection.

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RE: Client Vars again

[Dave Watts]

  Cflocation is a client side redirect .. in effect 
  it changes the header info of the clients browser to 
  the new url page.. so NO variables will be set by the 
  caller.
 
 Any local/session/client/application variables, and 
 queries, etc., will work as normal on any code before 
 the cflocation. But no cookies will be set on that page.

Note that this is no longer true with CF MX - you can now use CFCOOKIE and
CFLOCATION on the same page, if I recall correctly.

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Re: CFObject in CFMX

[Sean A Corfield]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 09:13 , Joe Eugene wrote:
   If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie calls 
 the
   constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default constructor
   should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you have
   to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...

In that case you are safe but since you didn't post any code, I just 
wanted to mention it as one more thing to consider.

   Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare the 
 class
   as public to get this working...
   so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...

Well, obviously the class needs to be declared public - otherwise, how 
could anything outside the package access it? Classes have access just 
like methods (and data members) and obey the same rules.

 after CFMX loads the class the first time
   and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD class 
 in
   memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...

As Matt already pointed out, you need to configure JRun to hot load 
/WEB-INF/classes - by default it does not (you wouldn't really want to do 
this in production for performance and security reasons). For a 
development system, you might want to enable hot deployment.

   Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the server 
 in the
   middle of productionAppreciate your help.

See above - for performance and security reasons, you do not want not want 
to enable hot deployment on production. Instead you do want to control 
exactly what is running and therefore you should expect to have to restart 
the server when you make such changes (after all, you run your production 
server with trusted cache enabled, right? That disables 'hot deployment' 
of new CF pages).

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

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Re: iif usage

[Sean A Corfield]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 02:24 , Ruslan Sivak wrote:
 Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.

Don't use it. If you used cfif, you wouldn't be having these problems. You'
ve got a boolean test and you set a string value which you then test later 
(why not just use the same test or at least use a boolean type - fast - 
instead of a more expensive string test?). iif() should be avoided in 
almost all cases.

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RE: (Flash/CFMX Rocks!) Flash Remoting and Popchart

[Dave Watts]

 I just wish I could find some books/tutorials that are 
 aimed squarely at my needs. Intermediate CF programmer, 
 Flash novice. I noticed that most of the books I glanced 
 through were really heavy on CF (being CF books) with 
 just a few pages on integrating Flash, or heavy on Flash 
 (being Flash books) with a few pages on CF.

There isn't that much, really, that is specific between Flash MX and
ColdFusion. So, if you have a good understanding of each, you should have
very little trouble putting the two together.

However, you might want to take a look at Inside Flash MX, from New Riders
Publishing. It doesn't talk too much about CF, but it does have two chapters
covering server-side integration, including CF and Flash Remoting. The book
was written by the Flash development team at Fig Leaf Software, where we use
Flash as an application interface quite a bit.

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RE: (Flash/CFMX Rocks!) Flash Remoting and Popchart

[Barry Moore]

Also have a look at the new Ben Forta et al Book
Reality ColdFusion MX: Flash MX Integration
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321125150/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/
102-5120912-9070527?v=glances=books

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 11:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: (Flash/CFMX Rocks!) Flash Remoting and Popchart


 I just wish I could find some books/tutorials that are 
 aimed squarely at my needs. Intermediate CF programmer, 
 Flash novice. I noticed that most of the books I glanced 
 through were really heavy on CF (being CF books) with 
 just a few pages on integrating Flash, or heavy on Flash 
 (being Flash books) with a few pages on CF.

There isn't that much, really, that is specific between Flash MX and
ColdFusion. So, if you have a good understanding of each, you should have
very little trouble putting the two together.

However, you might want to take a look at Inside Flash MX, from New Riders
Publishing. It doesn't talk too much about CF, but it does have two chapters
covering server-side integration, including CF and Flash Remoting. The book
was written by the Flash development team at Fig Leaf Software, where we use
Flash as an application interface quite a bit.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444


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Re: CFObject in CFMX

[Joe Eugene]

Sean,
 see below
- Original Message -
From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX


 On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 09:13 , Joe Eugene wrote:
  If i am right ... obj.init() simply does an instanciation..ie calls
  the
  constructor. I dont have a constructor.. so the default constructor
  should be called right?.. so obj.init() is needed only when you have
  to instanciate the object and set variables too. some like...

 In that case you are safe but since you didn't post any code, I just
 wanted to mention it as one more thing to consider.

  Anyways i finally found out that you had to explicitly declare the
  class
  as public to get this working...
  so class chkString{} should be puiblic class chkString{}...

 Well, obviously the class needs to be declared public - otherwise, how
 could anything outside the package access it? Classes have access just
 like methods (and data members) and obey the same rules.

I am not sure if this is the case.. did u see the second post i made to
Matt?
Example
class Simple {// note no public/private should default to
public in Java
public String getString(){
return (Method call without public/private);
}

public static void main(String args[]){
Simple s = new Simple(); //default constructor call
System.out.println(s.getString());
}
 }
now take the code.. compile and run it.. you should get the method
called..
remove the main() and call it with CFOBJECT it starts to
complain...
I asked Matt the same question...


  after CFMX loads the class the first time
  and you replace the class with a new class...CFMX keeps the OLD class
  in
  memory.. so basically you have restart the CFAS...

 As Matt already pointed out, you need to configure JRun to hot load
 /WEB-INF/classes - by default it does not (you wouldn't really want to do
 this in production for performance and security reasons). For a
 development system, you might want to enable hot deployment.

  Is there any work around this... i mean you can't restart the server
  in the
  middle of productionAppreciate your help.

 See above - for performance and security reasons, you do not want not want
 to enable hot deployment on production. Instead you do want to control
 exactly what is running and therefore you should expect to have to restart
 the server when you make such changes (after all, you run your production
 server with trusted cache enabled, right? That disables 'hot deployment'
 of new CF pages).

I see your point... i guess we should atleast implement hot load in
development..
its a real pain to start and stop the server in development. Well is hot
load implemented
for CF classes.. i mean how is that implemented in CFMX?

Joe

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Re: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)

[Joe Eugene]

I saw the docs as well... is this a limitation of the JDBC-ODBC bridge or
the
native driver in CFMX?
So the ODBC Socket or SQL Server drivers provided with CFMX are pure
Java Type IV native drivers? No ODBC involved... can your confirm this?.

Joe

- Original Message -
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)


  It looks like connectstring and some other params of
  query are deprecated in CFMX.. so how do you go about
  doing a DNS-less connection in CFMX?

 Dynamic connections aren't supported in CF MX. This is documented in the
 release notes, I think, or in the regular documentation set itself. If I
 recall correctly, this is a limitation of JDBC.



  Where are Java JDBC driver info's stored in CFMX? I would
  like to use the TYPE IV Java drivers making direct calls
  to the DB.. Theoretically.. this would give the best
  performance..since u bypass the ODBC layer right?

 There's no ODBC layer used when you create a CF MX datasource anyway, if
 you're using a Type 4 driver. So, I don't think you'd get any performance
 increase even if you could build a dynamic connection.



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Re: iif usage

[Joe Eugene]

Russ,
You can do a little cheating here
cfparam name=query.whatever default=0 // where  u know the first
expression will evaluate True
set a default.. so in either case.. u have the variable
Joe

- Original Message -
From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: iif usage


 That's the whole point, Joe... I have the following code above it
 cfif not qryCustomer.allareas
 cfquery name=qryAreas datasource=#request.dsn#
 somequery
 /cfquery
 /cfif

 So therefore, qryAreas.name will only be defined if qryCustomer.allareas
 is false.

 I mean I have commented out the cfif above, so that the query runs in
 either case, but I'd still like to know how to get the iif to work the
 way I want it to.

 Russ

 P.S.  Yes, sorry about missing the single quotes in the middle.  I have
 the following code now, but still has the same problem if the qryAreas
 is not defined and qryCustomer.allareas is true:

 #iif(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' , '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
 ')#' )#
 -Original Message-
 From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:32 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: iif usage

 Carefully note the usage of single and double quotes.. there are there
 for a
 reason!
 and make sure... u have the query.columnName.. u are pointing..to

 #IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' ,
 '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
 )#


 Joe
 - Original Message -
 From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:03 PM
 Subject: RE: iif usage


  #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,All Areas, '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
  ')#' )#
 
  Doesn't work either.
 
  Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must be
  pointing to a valid query name
 
  Russ
  -Original Message-
  From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:49 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: iif usage
 
  qryCustomer.allareas should be a 0 or any number other than 0
 which
  is
  True
 
  your statment should look like below.. u dont need DE
 
  #IIF(qryCustomer.allareas, 'All Areas' ,
  '#ValueList(qryAreas.name,',')#'
  )#
 
  Which means if qryCustomer.allareas !=0 ...display ALL Areas
  else
  Display qryAreas.name list..
 
  Joe
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Ruslan Sivak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:24 PM
  Subject: iif usage
 
 
   Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.
  
   If I do
  
   #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
   Areas),DE(#ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')#))#
  
   and qryCustomer.allareas is true, therefore qryAreas is undefined (I
   check for it with an cfif somewhere else), then I get an error
   Parameter 1 of function ValueList which is now qryAreas.name must
  be
   pointing to a valid query name
  
   If I make it
  
   #iif(qryCustomer.allareas,DE(All
  Areas),DE(ValueList(qryAreas.name,',
   ')))#
  
   then it works fine in this case, but fails when qryCustomer.allareas
  is
   false as it doesn't evaluate the ValueList(qryAreas.name,', ')
  
   What am I doing wrong?
  
   Russ
  
  
 
 

 
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RE: CFObject in CFMX (Connection String)

[Dave Watts]

 I saw the docs as well... is this a limitation of the 
 JDBC-ODBC bridge or the native driver in CFMX?

I'm not an expert on JDBC; I recall hearing that it's a limitation with
JDBC.

 So the ODBC Socket or SQL Server drivers provided 
 with CFMX are pure Java Type IV native drivers? No ODBC 
 involved... can your confirm this?.

The SQL Server driver in CF MX is a Type 4 driver. The ODBC Socket driver
isn't - it can't be, because it's an connection to ODBC! The MS Access
driver isn't a Type 4 driver, either. I'm not sure what type the ODBC Socket
driver is, but I've been told by MM people that the Access driver is Type 3.

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RE: Client Vars again

[Bud]

On 9/8/02, Joe Bastian penned:

Cflocation is a client side redirect .. in effect
   it changes the header info of the clients browser to
   the new url page.. so NO variables will be set by the
   caller.


On 9/8/02, I penned:

   Any local/session/client/application variables, and
  queries, etc., will work as normal on any code before
  the cflocation. But no cookies will be set on that page.

On 9/8/02, Dave Watts penned:

Note that this is no longer true with CF MX - you can now use CFCOOKIE and
CFLOCATION on the same page, if I recall correctly.

Cool. I hope that's right. But cookies not being set wasn't my point. 
Joe's message said that NO variables are set on the page with the 
cflocation in it, and I was pointing out that that's incorrect.
-- 

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Re: Client Vars again

[Joe Eugene]

I have come across this in practice and dont advice using CFLOCATION for
any kind of redirect.. that is why i mentioned this... you can check any
documentation for that matter.. some of the new CFMX books dont
recommend using CFLOCATION either.

if you are using CFMX you have an option of using SERVER SIDE REDIRECT
cfscript
GetPageContext.forward(somepage.cfm);
// similar in function to asp3.0 server.redirect(whatever.asp) rather than
response.redirect(whatever.asp)
/cfscript
I think this will still keep the original url but passes control to the
specified page..

I personally prefer using meta tags or Javascript as i mentioned before..
you dont have to deal with changing any code...

Joe

- Original Message -
From: Bud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: Client Vars again


 On 9/8/02, Joe Bastian penned:

 Cflocation is a client side redirect .. in effect
it changes the header info of the clients browser to
the new url page.. so NO variables will be set by the
caller.
 

 On 9/8/02, I penned:

Any local/session/client/application variables, and
   queries, etc., will work as normal on any code before
   the cflocation. But no cookies will be set on that page.

 On 9/8/02, Dave Watts penned:

 Note that this is no longer true with CF MX - you can now use CFCOOKIE
and
 CFLOCATION on the same page, if I recall correctly.

 Cool. I hope that's right. But cookies not being set wasn't my point.
 Joe's message said that NO variables are set on the page with the
 cflocation in it, and I was pointing out that that's incorrect.
 --

 Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations

 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
 ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.twcreations.com/
 954.721.3452
 
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RE: iif usage

[Ruslan Sivak]

Iif is necessary in certain cases.  Last time I checked, you can't use
cfif inside other cf tags...  (Maybe in mx you can). 

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: iif usage

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 02:24 , Ruslan Sivak wrote:
 Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.

Don't use it. If you used cfif, you wouldn't be having these problems.
You'
ve got a boolean test and you set a string value which you then test
later 
(why not just use the same test or at least use a boolean type - fast - 
instead of a more expensive string test?). iif() should be avoided in 
almost all cases.

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RE: iif usage

[Dave Watts]

 Iif is necessary in certain cases. 

I can't think of a single case in which it's necessary. It's just another
way to perform conditional logic. If you have one way to perform conditional
logic, you can do anything you need, although it might be clumsier in some
situations than an alternative would be.

 Last time I checked, you can't use cfif inside other 
 cf tags...  (Maybe in mx you can). 

It depends on what you mean by inside. For example, you can do this:

cfquery ...
 ... some SQL goes here ...
cfif ...
 ... some conditional SQL goes here ...
/cfif
/cfquery

However, even if you mean something else, you can always rewrite your
application to use CFIF - you can do your conditional logic before the CFML
tag which uses it, for example.

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RE: iif usage

[Kwang Suh]

IIF is never necessary.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ruslan Sivak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:45 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: iif usage
 
 
 Iif is necessary in certain cases.  Last time I checked, you can't use
 cfif inside other cf tags...  (Maybe in mx you can). 
 
 Russ
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:48 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: iif usage
 
 On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 02:24 , Ruslan Sivak wrote:
  Hi, I'm having a problem with iif.
 
 Don't use it. If you used cfif, you wouldn't be having these problems.
 You'
 ve got a boolean test and you set a string value which you then test
 later 
 (why not just use the same test or at least use a boolean type - fast - 
 instead of a more expensive string test?). iif() should be avoided in 
 almost all cases.
 
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 -- Margaret Atwood
 
 
 
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Re: CFObject in CFMX

[Sean A Corfield]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 06:01 , Joe Eugene wrote:
I am not sure if this is the case.. did u see the second post i made to
 Matt?

Yes.

 Example
 class Simple {// note no public/private should default to
 public in Java

No, it is *not* public by default. Such a class is *not* accessible by an 
external system. Java requires that you specify public class Simple if 
you want Simple to be accessed outside of that package.

 now take the code.. compile and run it.. you should get the method
 called..

No you won't because your class is not public.

 remove the main() and call it with CFOBJECT it starts to
 complain...

Of course. You took out a *public* method that accessed the class 
*from*within* and didn't leave any public interface.

 its a real pain to start and stop the server in development.

/coldfusion stop
/coldfusion start

Takes a few seconds. Not much of a pain at all. But I agree that 
configuring hot load would make it even easier.

 Well is hot load implemented
 for CF classes.. i mean how is that implemented in CFMX?

CF checks the timestamp on the *source* .cfm / .cfc file and if it is 
newer that the version it has already compiled, it compiles it (to Java 
and then compiles the .java to .class) and explicitly reloads the .class 
files. It can do this because it starts the process off by accessing a 
file and can do each step explicitly. This is very different from having a 
running Java system and dropping a new .class file in - the JVM does not 
normally look at the timestamps every time it invokes a class / method.

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Re: iif usage

[Sean A Corfield]

On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 08:45 , Ruslan Sivak wrote:
 Iif is necessary in certain cases.

No it isn't.

 Last time I checked, you can't use
 cfif inside other cf tags...  (Maybe in mx you can).

You can always restructure such code to not need 'iif()'.

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Re: iif usage

[Joe Eugene]

I dont agree with Sean or Dave... i dont think IIF is necessary but its
a very useful function ... IF USED PROPERLY
For me 

#IIF(expression... , ,  )#   is much more concise code
than writting...

cfif 
else
/cfif

Many of you guys dont agree.. but i personally prefer using IIF and i
use it only when necessary... a good example would be...table row colors...
i dont use the above for complex logic...write cfscript blocks of code...
i am not very fond of cfif contructs...

Joe


- Original Message - 
From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: iif usage


 On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 08:45 , Ruslan Sivak wrote:
  Iif is necessary in certain cases.
 
 No it isn't.
 
  Last time I checked, you can't use
  cfif inside other cf tags...  (Maybe in mx you can).
 
 You can always restructure such code to not need 'iif()'.
 
 Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
 
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Re: CFObject in CFMX

[Joe Eugene]

Outside of the Package might be right.. but i havent created any packages.
  now take the code.. compile and run it.. you should get the
method
  called..

 No you won't because your class is not public

It compiled and ran the code succesfully with (class Simple) on java Simple
// no public but CFObject didnt like this.
I am not sure.. what your doing or are we on the same page here?

Joe




- Original Message -
From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: CFObject in CFMX


 On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 06:01 , Joe Eugene wrote:
 I am not sure if this is the case.. did u see the second post i made
to
  Matt?

 Yes.

  Example
  class Simple {// note no public/private should default
to
  public in Java

 No, it is *not* public by default. Such a class is *not* accessible by an
 external system. Java requires that you specify public class Simple if
 you want Simple to be accessed outside of that package.

  now take the code.. compile and run it.. you should get the
method
  called..

 No you won't because your class is not public.

  remove the main() and call it with CFOBJECT it starts to
  complain...

 Of course. You took out a *public* method that accessed the class
 *from*within* and didn't leave any public interface.

  its a real pain to start and stop the server in development.

 /coldfusion stop
 /coldfusion start

 Takes a few seconds. Not much of a pain at all. But I agree that
 configuring hot load would make it even easier.

  Well is hot load implemented
  for CF classes.. i mean how is that implemented in CFMX?

 CF checks the timestamp on the *source* .cfm / .cfc file and if it is
 newer that the version it has already compiled, it compiles it (to Java
 and then compiles the .java to .class) and explicitly reloads the .class
 files. It can do this because it starts the process off by accessing a
 file and can do each step explicitly. This is very different from having a
 running Java system and dropping a new .class file in - the JVM does not
 normally look at the timestamps every time it invokes a class / method.

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RE: Web Hosting services for ColdFusion

[Jason Egan]

No - I didn't take it that way at all... No worries.

Thank you - 

Jason

 -Original Message-
 From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:11 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Web Hosting services for ColdFusion
 
 
 Jason Egan writes: 
 
  Yeah... I know... It is funny... You would be surprised how many 
  people call and ask if we support that, or flash, or 
 even... HTML!  We 
  even get a few calls from people that see us in CFDJ, or on the 
  macromedia site and ask if we support ColdFusion... I don't 
 get it... 
  We do what we gotta do...
  
  Jason
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 Jason...yeah, trust me, i know the customer can be...not 
 quite intelligent 
 at times.  Didn't mean to make it sound like i was knocking 
 you guys (i even 
 mentioned that you weren't the first hosting company i saw 
 that did that).  
 Hope it didn't come off that way. 
 
 But y'know what would be really funny?  offering all new 
 customers a brand 
 new keyboard that contains the ever-elusive Any key :) 
 
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  From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:51 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Web Hosting services for ColdFusion 
  
  
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   Good people, good prices.  We use them and are very 
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   Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:12 AM
   Subject: Web Hosting services for ColdFusion 
   
   
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