Uk Hosting
Hi I have a potential client that resides in the UK and might prefer to host in the UK rather than anywhere else in the world. Can anyone suggest some companies. I have looked in the archives, but can only find Hot Chilli, no disrespect to them, but are there any others. A datacentre of sorts would be preferable, with support staff you can phone and speak to instead of ticketing systems etc. Regards Martin ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Joe, *what* have you been smoking? HTML has gotten the web where it is because it is the only game in town. And standards??? W3C? There is only one thing that will drive market acceptance and that is market dominance; not a committee of any sort. Ever. Macromedia has gotten themselves installed on everybody's browser. Because of that, they are the standard. Because they've also got the mindshare at this point, they'll keep the lead. Unless of course they screw up somehow. And barring a Microsoft version of Flash (lets call it Flush) getting installed on every desktop as part of the next version of Windows. But either way, the process will be driven by market dynamics... Not a cabal of academics. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Site Design and ColdFusion Developer Tools ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Payment Gateway
Payflow link, 2checkout and authorize.net are good, worth to consider... Talking about integration with CF, when i was working with SentraCommerce, i've successfully integrate 2checkout, Payflow Link, Authorize.Net, GoEMerchant, Iongate and other gateways with ColdFusion. As long as the gateway provides an API that's accessible from http/https, then the integration should be feasible. Rizal At 11:36 AM 3/7/2003, you wrote: >I use the Payflow Link from Verisign and am very satisfied. It's really been >reliable and easy to setup. The payflow site is written in CF too! > > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: Payment Gateway > > > > www.firepay.com > > > > Very nice > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/06/03 03:55PM >>> > > Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily > > integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring > > billing. > > > > I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some > > others. > > > > Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) > > > > Is Verisign worth the $$$? > > > > thanks > > > > Greg Hamm > > Partner > > Coreillia Development > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.coreillia.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
> However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. Html might suck.. but it has driven internet..to where it is today. CFMX was re-written in Java as J2EE application, giving developers the leverage to implement scalable applications... and be productive(ROI). MM did a really good job...but released too soon. As for Flash and RIA.. its just another hype... If anything is going to replace.. html...that will probably be an open source technique..approved my W3C etc.. and when all browser vendors agree to implement the alternative(RIA) to "html"... that might be reality... until then.. "HTML" will rock.. JUST FACT! :) Joe Eugene > -Original Message- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:29 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website > > > > Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not > > the facts. I agree with the trip methodology, but when > > I got in the car, macromedia told me the destination > > was rapid development and lower costs. The new altered > > path is u-turn, because now we are heading towards longer > > development and higher costs. > > If you don't mind me torturing your analogy a bit, Macromedia just sells > cars. You're the driver. > > > As a capitalist you are assuming that if you invest more, > > you will get a higher return. Even though there isn't > > much evidence to prove this. If amazon.com decided to go > > into an RIA, they would be negating the millions the spent > > to build their existing site, not too mention spending > > three times their original investment. Just because it's > > in flash, how is it going to sell more books? The fact > > that RIA means higher quality is still unproven. MM can > > give you the Starbucks lecture about how people will pay > > for 'experience', which I think holds true in brick and > > mortar. I think it's a pipe dream in the world of the web. > > If Barnes and Noble has a better price on Harry Potter, > > people will buy it there, regardless of the online buying > > 'experience'. > > I agree with you about the uselessness of this whole "experience" > metaphor. > I also agree that it would probably be a bad more for Amazon to > switch to a > Flash interface right now - they probably wouldn't sell books. I > think that > ecommerce sites will probably be the last to switch over to a > "rich client" > interface, because ecommerce sites depend on simplicity so much - things > just have to work exactly right all the time, or they lose a sale. > > However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the > worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of > computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has > been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design, > not because > of it. Web applications are used everywhere nowadays, in place of the > typical client-server applications of ten years ago, not because their > interfaces are better - far from it - but because they're cheaper > and easier > to develop and deploy. > > Macromedia, like Sun and Microsoft before it, is aiming for a > natural goal - > the marriage of the deployment advantages of Web applications with the > usability and functionality advantages of "native" desktop and > client-server > applications. Sun's attempt, of course, was client-side Java. I remember > well attending tradeshows (in the late '90s, I think) in which everyone > proclaimed that HTML was dead, and that next year everyone would be using > client-side Java. Well, you know how that worked out. Microsoft's > foray into > this was ActiveX, which didn't work out very well either. They > both had some > common problems - deployment and platform limitations, and complexity, for > example. But just because they both failed doesn't mean that their common > goal isn't a worthy one, at least for some application interfaces. > > Macromedia's answer to the problem of the suckiness of HTML is > Flash, and it > has been for some time. Flash has some natural advantages over Java and > ActiveX which needn't be elaborated here. > > > For the last few years I've been telling upper management > > that I can cut costs, raise quality, and employ less > > developers. Cold Fusion is the solution for us. Am I > > supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 times the > > budget per project and quadruple my department size > > (4x my yearly operating costs) I have no evidence that > > this will bring us any return on our investment or will > > our application be higher quality. They will in fact be > > slower to load though, and probably won't be accessible > > to everyone. Oh yeah, please disregard everything I've > > told you in the past few years, about saving money and > > faster development. I've changed my mind. (Seriously, > > if I didn't write this, I'd think it was from a Dilbert > > comic) > > If you don't need the functionality of rich client interfaces > now, or don't > think they're
RE: Sessions and CFMX still
Bud, For some reason... mail server chewed my last reply! about 7hrs ago. It all depends on what you have enabled in you application. You can enable both J2EE sessions(JSessionID) and client(CFID/CFTOKEN) state management in CFMX. They are different things in CFMX..populates different variables. If you are using J2EE Sessions.. you dont need to track CFID or CFTOKEN... they are not part of the session anymore. To use sessions without cookies.. take a look at.. URLSessionFormat(request_URL) http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/CFML_Reference/functions-pt2113.jsp# 4471249 To kill a session.. just repeat with sessionTimeOut=CreateTimeSpan(0,0,0,0) Hope this helps Joe Eugene Joe Eugene > -Original Message- > From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:34 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Sessions and CFMX still > > > Not sure if the list is just dead tonight or broken. But I'm dying > for an answer here. > > 2 questions. > > 1) How do a keep a session alive with cookies disabled? Steps please. > I've read "Use the jsessionid", etc., but I must be doing it wrong. > > 2) How do I keep that same session alive going from one domain to > another? The page will be under the same cfapplication tag. > > Passing cfid and cftoken has always worked. Now I'm passing urltoken, > which passes cfid, cftoken and jsessionid. jsessionid changes on > every click though. Even if I manually set it with... > > jsessionid = url.jsession.id > > I've just sat here for 8 hours trying to figure out how to do > something that it took me 30 seconds to learn in CF 4.01. And that > was when I had a whopping day or two of experience under my belt. Now > I have 4 years and I can't maintain session state across domains or > when cookies are disabled. Extremely discouraging. :-( > -- > > Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.twcreations.com/ > http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ > 954.721.3452 > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Payment Gateway
I use the Payflow Link from Verisign and am very satisfied. It's really been reliable and easy to setup. The payflow site is written in CF too! - Original Message - From: "Michael Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Payment Gateway > www.firepay.com > > Very nice > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/06/03 03:55PM >>> > Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily > integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring > billing. > > I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some > others. > > Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) > > Is Verisign worth the $$$? > > thanks > > Greg Hamm > Partner > Coreillia Development > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.coreillia.com > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Problems with session variables getting mixed for 2 different users of office application
> and access the client account area simultaneously, which assigns the > ClientID to a session variable, > they both end up with the same Client on their screens. The > Session.ClientID variable > is being redefined when they are both using the Client account area. What are you using? Session State or Client State Management? or Both? If you are using Session State... are you locking your variables properly? Joe Eugene > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Problems with session variables getting mixed for 2 different > users of office application > > > Hi, all. > > I've got a problem with an application I built for an office. > The Cold Fusion, browser-based app performs all their main office > functions. The hardware setup is an office server hooked up with 2 > workstations. > > The app is on the server, of course, and both workstations access the app > through Internet Explorer. When both office workers are working > on the app > and access the client account area simultaneously, which assigns the > ClientID to a session variable, > they both end up with the same Client on their screens. The > Session.ClientID variable > is being redefined when they are both using the Client account area. > > I'm using Windows 2000 server and CF 4.5.2. > I recently went through the entire app and locked all the variables. > > First, I thought that each browser would establish its own session and the > "bleeding" > of variables wouldn't occur under these circumstances. Is this happening > because > they are accessing the app through their browsers directly to the server > through the LAN > rather than through the Internet? > > Solutions: > > I thought perhaps I could create an APPLICATION name that is > unique for each > user of a workstation. Like CFAPPLICATION > Name="RCHNetwork#variable_picked_up_from_computer_being_used#", > or something to that effect that would allow each user to have a unique > Application name and > solve the problem that way. Would that work? If so, what are the > possibilies for values to use > in the CFApplication name? > > Another approach might be to duplication the application in > separate folders > for each user > and have one using a hard-coded CFAPPLICATION Name such as > Name="RCHNetworkUser1" for the > first workstation, and Name="RCHNetworkUser2" for the second application. > Would this solve the problem of sharing variables? > > I can't believe I'm just now running into this problem this late in > development. Unfortunately, > I develop on a single workstation connected to my server, rather than with > 2, so I haven't run > into this problem before... > > Ideas? > > Thanks for any help anyone will give! > > Rick > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Sessions and CFMX still
Not sure if the list is just dead tonight or broken. But I'm dying for an answer here. 2 questions. 1) How do a keep a session alive with cookies disabled? Steps please. I've read "Use the jsessionid", etc., but I must be doing it wrong. 2) How do I keep that same session alive going from one domain to another? The page will be under the same cfapplication tag. Passing cfid and cftoken has always worked. Now I'm passing urltoken, which passes cfid, cftoken and jsessionid. jsessionid changes on every click though. Even if I manually set it with... jsessionid = url.jsession.id I've just sat here for 8 hours trying to figure out how to do something that it took me 30 seconds to learn in CF 4.01. And that was when I had a whopping day or two of experience under my belt. Now I have 4 years and I can't maintain session state across domains or when cookies are disabled. Extremely discouraging. :-( -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Problems with session variables getting mixed for 2 different users of office application
I would check to make sure if either of those workstations have your app page bookmarked, that there's not a CFID/CFTOKEN pair stuck in the bookmark. I had an app that had a similar issue - turns out the folks who it was made for wanted to put a link on their internal home page to the app, and some joker just went to it, and copied the URL he had, including the ID/Token pair. I went round and round on this thing for days before finally figuring this out - and all because they were being squirrely about providing access to this one page. Grr. :P At 08:20 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, all. > >I've got a problem with an application I built for an office. >The Cold Fusion, browser-based app performs all their main office >functions. The hardware setup is an office server hooked up with 2 >workstations. > >The app is on the server, of course, and both workstations access the app >through Internet Explorer. When both office workers are working on the app >and access the client account area simultaneously, which assigns the >ClientID to a session variable, >they both end up with the same Client on their screens. The >Session.ClientID variable >is being redefined when they are both using the Client account area. > >I'm using Windows 2000 server and CF 4.5.2. >I recently went through the entire app and locked all the variables. > >First, I thought that each browser would establish its own session and the >"bleeding" >of variables wouldn't occur under these circumstances. Is this happening >because >they are accessing the app through their browsers directly to the server >through the LAN >rather than through the Internet? > >Solutions: > >I thought perhaps I could create an APPLICATION name that is unique for each >user of a workstation. Like CFAPPLICATION >Name="RCHNetwork#variable_picked_up_from_computer_being_used#", >or something to that effect that would allow each user to have a unique >Application name and >solve the problem that way. Would that work? If so, what are the >possibilies for values to use >in the CFApplication name? > >Another approach might be to duplication the application in separate folders >for each user >and have one using a hard-coded CFAPPLICATION Name such as >Name="RCHNetworkUser1" for the >first workstation, and Name="RCHNetworkUser2" for the second application. >Would this solve the problem of sharing variables? > >I can't believe I'm just now running into this problem this late in >development. Unfortunately, >I develop on a single workstation connected to my server, rather than with >2, so I haven't run >into this problem before... > >Ideas? > >Thanks for any help anyone will give! > >Rick > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Can someone walk me thru changing my ALT-3 shortcut?
I want my ALT-3 to be the old Studio ALT-3 which wraps whatever you've highlighted in the trusty ol' poundsigns. If I want an H3 (who in the F wants an H3 anyway? Just stylesheet one out, imho) I'll do it myself, but why waste a perfectly good ALT-3? I remember some rather convoluted steps to change this from way back at devcon, but for the life of me I can't remember what lecture it was in, or I'd go look it up... Has anyone else done this yet? And if so, could ya provide a little direction? Oh yeah, this is for DreamweaverMX, btw. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Problems with session variables getting mixed for 2 different users of office application
Are you appending the #URLToken# to your URL's, hyperlinks and embedding it is a hidden form field in your forms? == Peter Tilbrook Internet Applications Developer Australian Building Codes Board GPO Box 9839 CANBERRA ACT 2601 AUSTRALIA WWW: http://www.abcb.gov.au/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (02) 6213 6731 Mobile: 0439 401 823 Facsimile: +61 (02) 6213 7287 -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2003 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Problems with session variables getting mixed for 2 different users of office application Hi, all. I've got a problem with an application I built for an office. The Cold Fusion, browser-based app performs all their main office functions. The hardware setup is an office server hooked up with 2 workstations. The app is on the server, of course, and both workstations access the app through Internet Explorer. When both office workers are working on the app and access the client account area simultaneously, which assigns the ClientID to a session variable, they both end up with the same Client on their screens. The Session.ClientID variable is being redefined when they are both using the Client account area. I'm using Windows 2000 server and CF 4.5.2. I recently went through the entire app and locked all the variables. First, I thought that each browser would establish its own session and the "bleeding" of variables wouldn't occur under these circumstances. Is this happening because they are accessing the app through their browsers directly to the server through the LAN rather than through the Internet? Solutions: I thought perhaps I could create an APPLICATION name that is unique for each user of a workstation. Like CFAPPLICATION Name="RCHNetwork#variable_picked_up_from_computer_being_used#", or something to that effect that would allow each user to have a unique Application name and solve the problem that way. Would that work? If so, what are the possibilies for values to use in the CFApplication name? Another approach might be to duplication the application in separate folders for each user and have one using a hard-coded CFAPPLICATION Name such as Name="RCHNetworkUser1" for the first workstation, and Name="RCHNetworkUser2" for the second application. Would this solve the problem of sharing variables? I can't believe I'm just now running into this problem this late in development. Unfortunately, I develop on a single workstation connected to my server, rather than with 2, so I haven't run into this problem before... Ideas? Thanks for any help anyone will give! Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Problems with session variables getting mixed for 2 different users of office application
Hi, all. I've got a problem with an application I built for an office. The Cold Fusion, browser-based app performs all their main office functions. The hardware setup is an office server hooked up with 2 workstations. The app is on the server, of course, and both workstations access the app through Internet Explorer. When both office workers are working on the app and access the client account area simultaneously, which assigns the ClientID to a session variable, they both end up with the same Client on their screens. The Session.ClientID variable is being redefined when they are both using the Client account area. I'm using Windows 2000 server and CF 4.5.2. I recently went through the entire app and locked all the variables. First, I thought that each browser would establish its own session and the "bleeding" of variables wouldn't occur under these circumstances. Is this happening because they are accessing the app through their browsers directly to the server through the LAN rather than through the Internet? Solutions: I thought perhaps I could create an APPLICATION name that is unique for each user of a workstation. Like CFAPPLICATION Name="RCHNetwork#variable_picked_up_from_computer_being_used#", or something to that effect that would allow each user to have a unique Application name and solve the problem that way. Would that work? If so, what are the possibilies for values to use in the CFApplication name? Another approach might be to duplication the application in separate folders for each user and have one using a hard-coded CFAPPLICATION Name such as Name="RCHNetworkUser1" for the first workstation, and Name="RCHNetworkUser2" for the second application. Would this solve the problem of sharing variables? I can't believe I'm just now running into this problem this late in development. Unfortunately, I develop on a single workstation connected to my server, rather than with 2, so I haven't run into this problem before... Ideas? Thanks for any help anyone will give! Rick ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: The New Macromedia Website
Hallelujah and Amenthe all knowing and very succinct Mr. Watts has spoken the rational truth once again!! Thanks Dave ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website > > Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not > > the facts. I agree with the trip methodology, but when > > I got in the car, macromedia told me the destination > > was rapid development and lower costs. The new altered > > path is u-turn, because now we are heading towards longer > > development and higher costs. > > If you don't mind me torturing your analogy a bit, Macromedia just sells > cars. You're the driver. > > > As a capitalist you are assuming that if you invest more, > > you will get a higher return. Even though there isn't > > much evidence to prove this. If amazon.com decided to go > > into an RIA, they would be negating the millions the spent > > to build their existing site, not too mention spending > > three times their original investment. Just because it's > > in flash, how is it going to sell more books? The fact > > that RIA means higher quality is still unproven. MM can > > give you the Starbucks lecture about how people will pay > > for 'experience', which I think holds true in brick and > > mortar. I think it's a pipe dream in the world of the web. > > If Barnes and Noble has a better price on Harry Potter, > > people will buy it there, regardless of the online buying > > 'experience'. > > I agree with you about the uselessness of this whole "experience" metaphor. > I also agree that it would probably be a bad more for Amazon to switch to a > Flash interface right now - they probably wouldn't sell books. I think that > ecommerce sites will probably be the last to switch over to a "rich client" > interface, because ecommerce sites depend on simplicity so much - things > just have to work exactly right all the time, or they lose a sale. > > However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the > worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of > computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has > been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design, not because > of it. Web applications are used everywhere nowadays, in place of the > typical client-server applications of ten years ago, not because their > interfaces are better - far from it - but because they're cheaper and easier > to develop and deploy. > > Macromedia, like Sun and Microsoft before it, is aiming for a natural goal - > the marriage of the deployment advantages of Web applications with the > usability and functionality advantages of "native" desktop and client-server > applications. Sun's attempt, of course, was client-side Java. I remember > well attending tradeshows (in the late '90s, I think) in which everyone > proclaimed that HTML was dead, and that next year everyone would be using > client-side Java. Well, you know how that worked out. Microsoft's foray into > this was ActiveX, which didn't work out very well either. They both had some > common problems - deployment and platform limitations, and complexity, for > example. But just because they both failed doesn't mean that their common > goal isn't a worthy one, at least for some application interfaces. > > Macromedia's answer to the problem of the suckiness of HTML is Flash, and it > has been for some time. Flash has some natural advantages over Java and > ActiveX which needn't be elaborated here. > > > For the last few years I've been telling upper management > > that I can cut costs, raise quality, and employ less > > developers. Cold Fusion is the solution for us. Am I > > supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 times the > > budget per project and quadruple my department size > > (4x my yearly operating costs) I have no evidence that > > this will bring us any return on our investment or will > > our application be higher quality. They will in fact be > > slower to load though, and probably won't be accessible > > to everyone. Oh yeah, please disregard everything I've > > told you in the past few years, about saving money and > > faster development. I've changed my mind. (Seriously, > > if I didn't write this, I'd think it was from a Dilbert > > comic) > > If you don't need the functionality of rich client interfaces now, or don't > think they're worth the cost now, why would you bother changing your > development approach? There's nothing wrong with doing what you're doing. As >
Re: Macromedia at Risk (Was OT - Fusebox for Flash?)
I do development in Flash on mac and windows, and I do not find it buggy. At least not any more buggy than any other app I use on a day to day basis. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia at Risk (Was OT - Fusebox for Flash?) > > -Original Message- > > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:08 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Macromedia at Risk (Was OT - Fusebox for Flash?) > > > > > > On Saturday, Mar 1, 2003, at 17:22 US/Pacific, dwayne wrote: > > > If Flash is serious about being the next Generation Web Interface, > > > they must introduce an application that makes it easy to generate > > > "Dynamic" RIA. > > > > I take it you don't think Flash MX is a suitable authoring environment > > for Flash movies? > > > Sean, do you do Flash development? While FlashMX is potentially a nice > authoring tool, it's so buggy that it can be extremely frustrating to work > with. Basic things like scroll bars in the app disappearing make it really > hard to get work done. And I know that bug was reported at least 5 months > ago and the only update to FLMX is the documentation. > > -Kevin > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New MM.com
I completely agree with you Bryan. I was very surprised that MM left any HTML in the site at all, and think that generated most of the problems. I think part of the motivation was that they have some standard page layouts that wouldn't work in a pure flash environment. Sure, this was a 'complete' rewrite of the site, but there is a lot that hasn't changed (at least it seems to me). MM.com is a HUGE app. Really a bunch of apps, most pretty large in their own right. A complete restructuring would have been enormously time intensive, and probably not economical. Any way you cut it, Flash is a lot more expensive to develop than HTML. Because of that expence, it's going to be a long time before HTML is gone from most large sites. This is not unlike all the legacy systems that are currently running companies all over the world today. It's not because people like running old, outdated stuff, it's because they can't afford to change it all. My personal opinion is that if you have any flash, the entire site is flash, excepting perhaps a animated logo in the corner or such asthetic things. I've seen a lot of really good flash sites, but I've not seen many (if any) that used HTML-embeded Flash to a good end. Even the old MM site was quite annoying to me, having to wait for the flash on the HTML pages all the time. I think MM is pushing the right direction with the new site, but it's going to get a lot of criticism (including mine) and have a lot of problems because it didn't go the full monty. However, we don't know what went into the back-end of the site, and I think that's important. I guarentee that they had a lot of problems with CFCs, Flash Remoting, and whatever else, and the end result is going to be a set of kick-ass updaters for all products involved in their site redux here in a couple months. barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:34 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: New MM.com > > > I've heard a lot of slagging of RIAs and MM's new usage of RIAs. I think > it's VERY important to differentiate between 2 types of RIAs. > > Type 1 - The Hybrid > This is what MM has just released. It's a mix of traditional web > technologies (HTML,JavaScript, CSS, etc.). > > Type 2 - Pure Flash > This is what I consider to be a true RIA. It runs full screen (or full > browser) and all naviagtion etc. is handled in Flash. > > I have only been building the type 2 variety and have not seen any of the > slowness issues folks are describing on the new MM site. So perhaps there > is something to Chris's comment about having to load 48 files for > MMs type 1 > RIA vs. loading 1 SWF for what I call type 2. > > > IMHO the type 2 variety is where it's at. > > my 2 cents CDN > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > - > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > - Original Message - > From: "Chris Kief" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:07 PM > Subject: RE: New MM.com > > > > >Overall, bandwidth use is not excessive (at least for my > standards), but > > >the speed is not good either. Part of that appears to be due > to the high > > >number of requests, part of that is that some requests take long on the > > >server, and part of that is probably that a Duron 800 is apparently not > > >fast enough anymore. > > > > Not sure if you checked out the individual files but the homepage is > broken > > up into multiple swf and xml documents (I show 22 swf and 9 xml). To be > > complete, there are also 1 html, 2 css, 3 js, and 11 gifs for a total of > 48 > > files and 251KB. > > > > I was speculating with a colleague that the poor performance that some > > people were seeing had to do with the number of files being > downloaded as > > well as the fact that the Flash player needs to load and parse the 9 xml > > files (although the player's xml handling is greatly improved in the > latest > > versions). Speed of the client machine probably has a direct > impact on the > > player's ability to do this efficiently and quickly. > > > > I'll be curious to see if this structure changes in the future. I'm also > > anxious to read Sean Corfield's articles on the architectural decisions > > behind the site. > > > > I'm hoping that MM publishes something along the lines of > "here's what we > > decided to do first" and then down the line "here's what we found didn't > > work and here's what we did to improve things". RIAs are pretty much > > uncharted territory and I'm very interested in hearing their experiences > in > > building and tuning the site. > > > > chris > > >
RE: New MM.com
Chris wrote >I'm hoping that MM publishes something along the lines >of "here's what we decided to do first" and then down the >line "here's what we found didn't work and here's what we did >to improve things". RIAs are pretty much uncharted territory >and I'm very interested in hearing their experiences in >building and tuning the site. The fact that MM is going boldly etc. is worth re-emphasizing. Its obviously dangerous territory and it'd help the community and RIA's in general big-time if a candid blow-by-blow along the lines of what Chris describes gets published. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New MM.com
I've heard a lot of slagging of RIAs and MM's new usage of RIAs. I think it's VERY important to differentiate between 2 types of RIAs. Type 1 - The Hybrid This is what MM has just released. It's a mix of traditional web technologies (HTML,JavaScript, CSS, etc.). Type 2 - Pure Flash This is what I consider to be a true RIA. It runs full screen (or full browser) and all naviagtion etc. is handled in Flash. I have only been building the type 2 variety and have not seen any of the slowness issues folks are describing on the new MM site. So perhaps there is something to Chris's comment about having to load 48 files for MMs type 1 RIA vs. loading 1 SWF for what I call type 2. IMHO the type 2 variety is where it's at. my 2 cents CDN Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Kief" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: RE: New MM.com > >Overall, bandwidth use is not excessive (at least for my standards), but > >the speed is not good either. Part of that appears to be due to the high > >number of requests, part of that is that some requests take long on the > >server, and part of that is probably that a Duron 800 is apparently not > >fast enough anymore. > > Not sure if you checked out the individual files but the homepage is broken > up into multiple swf and xml documents (I show 22 swf and 9 xml). To be > complete, there are also 1 html, 2 css, 3 js, and 11 gifs for a total of 48 > files and 251KB. > > I was speculating with a colleague that the poor performance that some > people were seeing had to do with the number of files being downloaded as > well as the fact that the Flash player needs to load and parse the 9 xml > files (although the player's xml handling is greatly improved in the latest > versions). Speed of the client machine probably has a direct impact on the > player's ability to do this efficiently and quickly. > > I'll be curious to see if this structure changes in the future. I'm also > anxious to read Sean Corfield's articles on the architectural decisions > behind the site. > > I'm hoping that MM publishes something along the lines of "here's what we > decided to do first" and then down the line "here's what we found didn't > work and here's what we did to improve things". RIAs are pretty much > uncharted territory and I'm very interested in hearing their experiences in > building and tuning the site. > > chris > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
> Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not > the facts. I agree with the trip methodology, but when > I got in the car, macromedia told me the destination > was rapid development and lower costs. The new altered > path is u-turn, because now we are heading towards longer > development and higher costs. If you don't mind me torturing your analogy a bit, Macromedia just sells cars. You're the driver. > As a capitalist you are assuming that if you invest more, > you will get a higher return. Even though there isn't > much evidence to prove this. If amazon.com decided to go > into an RIA, they would be negating the millions the spent > to build their existing site, not too mention spending > three times their original investment. Just because it's > in flash, how is it going to sell more books? The fact > that RIA means higher quality is still unproven. MM can > give you the Starbucks lecture about how people will pay > for 'experience', which I think holds true in brick and > mortar. I think it's a pipe dream in the world of the web. > If Barnes and Noble has a better price on Harry Potter, > people will buy it there, regardless of the online buying > 'experience'. I agree with you about the uselessness of this whole "experience" metaphor. I also agree that it would probably be a bad more for Amazon to switch to a Flash interface right now - they probably wouldn't sell books. I think that ecommerce sites will probably be the last to switch over to a "rich client" interface, because ecommerce sites depend on simplicity so much - things just have to work exactly right all the time, or they lose a sale. However, to put things bluntly, HTML sucks. It sucks really bad. It's the worst thing to happen to application interfaces in the short history of computing, next to the QWERTY keyboard. The success of HTML interfaces has been in spite of this awful step backwards in interface design, not because of it. Web applications are used everywhere nowadays, in place of the typical client-server applications of ten years ago, not because their interfaces are better - far from it - but because they're cheaper and easier to develop and deploy. Macromedia, like Sun and Microsoft before it, is aiming for a natural goal - the marriage of the deployment advantages of Web applications with the usability and functionality advantages of "native" desktop and client-server applications. Sun's attempt, of course, was client-side Java. I remember well attending tradeshows (in the late '90s, I think) in which everyone proclaimed that HTML was dead, and that next year everyone would be using client-side Java. Well, you know how that worked out. Microsoft's foray into this was ActiveX, which didn't work out very well either. They both had some common problems - deployment and platform limitations, and complexity, for example. But just because they both failed doesn't mean that their common goal isn't a worthy one, at least for some application interfaces. Macromedia's answer to the problem of the suckiness of HTML is Flash, and it has been for some time. Flash has some natural advantages over Java and ActiveX which needn't be elaborated here. > For the last few years I've been telling upper management > that I can cut costs, raise quality, and employ less > developers. Cold Fusion is the solution for us. Am I > supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 times the > budget per project and quadruple my department size > (4x my yearly operating costs) I have no evidence that > this will bring us any return on our investment or will > our application be higher quality. They will in fact be > slower to load though, and probably won't be accessible > to everyone. Oh yeah, please disregard everything I've > told you in the past few years, about saving money and > faster development. I've changed my mind. (Seriously, > if I didn't write this, I'd think it was from a Dilbert > comic) If you don't need the functionality of rich client interfaces now, or don't think they're worth the cost now, why would you bother changing your development approach? There's nothing wrong with doing what you're doing. As time passes, it will continue to become easier and cheaper to build rich client interfaces, and at some point, it'll be easy enough and cheap enough to be worth your time. Right now, I'll be the first to agree that rich client interfaces aren't appropriate for every project - they're just another option to consider. > A year is not enough time to completely contrast a > philosophy. Look, I'm just trying to shed light on this > shock you are attributing to 'new technology'. I'm not > making these facts up; I'm trying to logically explain > them. In August of last year anyone talking about > emerging MS technology on this list would get flamed > and lambasted. I can't tell you how many times I got > the M$ evil empire lecture. But last month I noticed > a large part of this community actively le
RE: Too many fields in Access?! Help!
Gyrus, If you are using Access, you should also have Microsoft's MSDE that you can install as well. It comes on the Microsoft Office Pro (2000/XP) CD. This is a no frills SQL Server installation (no Enterprise tools) with a 5 connection limit and 2GB max database size. I would highly recommend looking into using this to develop with as it will make your transition to the production SQL Server as seamless as possible. HTH, Jeff Garza -Original Message- From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Too many fields in Access?! Help! I'm working on a project that requires the values from quite a large form to be stored in a DB, ready to be printed out. I'm just adding some fields - I'm about 4/5 done and I've got 130+ already - and Access has told me it can't save the table now cos there's too many fields defined! The Access (I'm working with 2000) docs say the max number of fields per table is 255. Any ideas? The field names are relatively long (so as to be descriptive and prevent confusion in such a large form), but none of them exceed the stated max of 64 chars. Plus, Access specifically says too many fields - I was just wondering if there was a hidden "max total no. of chars in all field names together"?! The live server is MS SQL, I imagine that won't bugger about like Access, but obviously I want to prototype it locally with Access. There's quite a tight deadline and I don't fancy the prospect of working remotely at this stage for quick development. Any help or ideas really welcome! thanks, Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://tengai.co.uk play: http://norlonto.net PGP key available ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: XML -> Struct -> XML
>I considered that and wondered if that would be slower than looping through >the XML document, noting the tag name, stripping the tag, then adding a >structure element based on that name. I'll have to run some tests and see. Jim, Have you used the XMLParse() function in MX? If I'm understanding what you want to do correctly, you want to take a valid XML document and convert it into a CF structure. That's what this function does. Then you can you the XMLSearch() functions (and others) to extract what you're specifically looking for. Of course, as I said, I could be misinterpreting what you're trying to accomplish. Regards, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: New MM.com
>Overall, bandwidth use is not excessive (at least for my standards), but >the speed is not good either. Part of that appears to be due to the high >number of requests, part of that is that some requests take long on the >server, and part of that is probably that a Duron 800 is apparently not >fast enough anymore. Not sure if you checked out the individual files but the homepage is broken up into multiple swf and xml documents (I show 22 swf and 9 xml). To be complete, there are also 1 html, 2 css, 3 js, and 11 gifs for a total of 48 files and 251KB. I was speculating with a colleague that the poor performance that some people were seeing had to do with the number of files being downloaded as well as the fact that the Flash player needs to load and parse the 9 xml files (although the player's xml handling is greatly improved in the latest versions). Speed of the client machine probably has a direct impact on the player's ability to do this efficiently and quickly. I'll be curious to see if this structure changes in the future. I'm also anxious to read Sean Corfield's articles on the architectural decisions behind the site. I'm hoping that MM publishes something along the lines of "here's what we decided to do first" and then down the line "here's what we found didn't work and here's what we did to improve things". RIAs are pretty much uncharted territory and I'm very interested in hearing their experiences in building and tuning the site. chris ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Too many fields in Access?! Help!
Harley Friedman wrote: > Microsoft used to offer a trial version of SQL server for free, for development -- > that way you only have to develop once. I just checked their website and they have > removed it (temporarily)due to the new slammer worm, but maybe you can find a copy > from someone locally. The file is about 300 MB large, so even if I could find a > copy I couldn't email it to you, but maybe someone local has a copy. It was free, > so it's not a copyright problem. IIRC, it does not include a license to redistribute. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
At 05:08 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote: >My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't tell you >where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know where I, a >MM developer will be in a year either. Then don't upgrade? Keep the current version you have and remain a happy camper? Don't do any RIA development. RIA is nothing more than MM trying to set a trend. You can either jump on the trend bandwagon or you can look for another trend. Currently, where I work ... we're developing our first RIA website for a lawyer firm. Basically the whole public side is going to be done in flash. We're also offering a low bandwidth side, not because we have too, but because we realize that not everyone wants to jump on the flash bandwagon and I showed my bosses that it is entirely possible to build both the static and flash site at the same time using the same CFCs. We have one flash developer in-house that has never done remoting before in his life and ... right now, he's making it look all too easy. He's enjoying it, it's something new for him. So far it has NOT increased ANY additional time or money necessary for us to complete this website. It should be launched by the end of April and everything is right on schedule as it stands. It will be using CFMX for the backend/admin and Flash MX/Remoting/CFMX for the front end. So, it's a choice... either your clients want it or they won't. Either you will do it or you won't. Just one man's opinion, ~Todd -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: help w/session, client & app variables
Thanks Harley... I'm checking that out now -Original Message- From: Harley Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: help w/session, client & app variables Looks like you need a newer book. In CF 5.0 or MX it's all done differently now, and that's why you're getting an error. A Free and good source of information is the Docs included with CF. The main page should be on your system, located in CFDOCS/Default.htm (which should be in your webroot directory. Choose the "Developing Coldfusion Applications" link, then Chapter 12 "Using the Application Framework". I use CF 5.0, if you're using MX the wording might be slightly different but it should be there. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
MX web services and client certificates
Is it possible to use get web services in MX to communicate authenticate via a client certificate? If so, where would I find some resources about this? I have the sneaking suspicion I know the answer to this already... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: XML -> Struct -> XML
>> I've had success with using xmlTransform() and a XSLT sheet... I considered that and wondered if that would be slower than looping through the XML document, noting the tag name, stripping the tag, then adding a structure element based on that name. I'll have to run some tests and see. Thanks for your response. - Jim -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: XML -> Struct -> XML Well, there's CFWDDX, but that requires a very specific XML document (a WDDX one). However, I've had success with using xmlTransform() and a XSLT sheet to convert arbitrary XML to WDDX and then deserializing it into CF variables. I doubt it's a particularly efficient approach, but I'm only needed it for low-use, admin type functionality. To do arbitrary XMl to CFML conversions, I think you're out of luck, at least with native CFML. barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: XML -> Struct -> XML > > > Hi - > > This seems like such an obvious function, I'm sure it's right > under my nose, > but I'm burned out this afternoon :) > > Is there a function/UDF/custom tag that converts XML-formatted text to a > Struct and back again? > > - Jim > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Payment Gateway
I don't have anything against anyone pitching their own product here, and I'm sure CGD is excellent coming from you Paul, but this is supposedly an unbiased forum. You should post a disclaimer that you have a financial interest in this. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, March 6, 2003, 4:11:20 PM, you wrote: PG> Greg, PG> We use CDG Commerce's service, and have for a number of years with great PG> success. We also developed a custom tag to process realtime payments PG> through their gateway. It doesn't have recurring billing, but that could PG> easily be setup with your application .. PG> CDG's setup is free, go to http://www.quilldesign.com/cdg/index.cfm and you PG> can download the application (free). It will send off your information to PG> CDG and they will send you an application, but you are by no means obligated PG> to signup for their service. PG> The custom tag has a test account setup so you can test out the system. PG> Hope this helps! PG> Paul Giesenhagen PG> QuillDesign >> Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily >> integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring >> billing. >> >> I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some >> others. >> >> Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) >> >> Is Verisign worth the $$$? >> >> thanks >> >> Greg Hamm >> Partner >> Coreillia Development >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.coreillia.com >> PG> ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
help w/session, client & app variables
Looks like you need a newer book. In CF 5.0 or MX it's all done differently now, and that's why you're getting an error. A Free and good source of information is the Docs included with CF. The main page should be on your system, located in CFDOCS/Default.htm (which should be in your webroot directory. Choose the "Developing Coldfusion Applications" link, then Chapter 12 "Using the Application Framework". I use CF 5.0, if you're using MX the wording might be slightly different but it should be there. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: XML -> Struct -> XML
Well, there's CFWDDX, but that requires a very specific XML document (a WDDX one). However, I've had success with using xmlTransform() and a XSLT sheet to convert arbitrary XML to WDDX and then deserializing it into CF variables. I doubt it's a particularly efficient approach, but I'm only needed it for low-use, admin type functionality. To do arbitrary XMl to CFML conversions, I think you're out of luck, at least with native CFML. barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: XML -> Struct -> XML > > > Hi - > > This seems like such an obvious function, I'm sure it's right > under my nose, > but I'm burned out this afternoon :) > > Is there a function/UDF/custom tag that converts XML-formatted text to a > Struct and back again? > > - Jim > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Sorta OT - Online Video
Not sure exactly what you mean by video applications...but we do a brisk amount of video stuff for clients. Drop me a line, maybe we can help... Regards, Eric J Hoffman DataStream Connexion www.datastreamconnexion.com Delivering Creative Data Solutions -Original Message- From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Sorta OT - Online Video Does anyone here have a lot of experience with video or know of anyone that specialize's in video. It seems as though we are moving in a direction of doing massive online video applications. Any assistance in pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Sorry Adam, not to be contrary for the sake of it but I just don't read anywhere near as much into this. I see it as a redesign effort geared to show off their products to their developer market. Only. On the design philosophy side, I can't see how this has any bearing on whether or not you can develop on a small scale with CF. I'll bet that when I finally install my copy of Flash MX I'll stink at it just as bad as I do on design in general. I need a team, personally :) --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: "Adrocknaphobia Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:21:52 -0500 >Yes CF is still the fastest. Up to about 6 months ago should be the >primary goal of web any application developer, according to MM. They >stressed how cost effective it is to speed up development and use less >programmers. They told us to shrink our web development teams, develop >on CF, and web applications will be done cheaper and faster. Cost >effective. The boss will be happy. Yaddy yadda yadda. Call me a fool, >but I bought into it, and I still believe it. > >The philosophy of the company has done an about face. Now it's about >investing huge budgets & large teams. This contrast couldn't really be >more extreme. Basically, Macromedia taught me to oppose the notion of >RIA for these reasons. Now they want me to change my mind. It just seems >like ill timing to get us to spend more when the economy is in a slump. >Now more than ever is it important to cut the fat and not be as frugal >as we were in the late 90s. > >I'm speaking from a few years of meeting a lot of developers and seeing >how companies have adopted Cold Fusion. The large majority of companies >I've seen using CF have development teams under 5 people. Additionally >it's rare that an entire department is working one sole application. So >most teams are very small, if not lone. > >As I said, it's a failure to me. If I launched a large corporate site >that was this unresponsive, neglected the _large_ majority of users >without broadband, and didn't display properly across browsers... it's a >failure. But I'm one of those people who like to beta test _before_ >making it live. I think the 'beta' label is just a reaction to the >negative feedback. > >You are right... it is just a website. But it's a website for a company >that claims to be the end all resource for building websites, so of >course the bar is much higher than say >http://www.realultimatepower.net/. I'm also not talking about the >website, I'm talking about MM, RIA's and the future of the web. > >Adam Wayne Lehman >Web Systems Developer >Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health >Distance Education Division > > >-Original Message- >From: Chris Kief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:12 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website > >>You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture >>shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, >>the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ >technology, >>or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. >> >>Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to >>create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with >>the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low >>cost. > >How has this really changed though?? CF is *still* the fastest way to >get >web apps out the door. > > >>What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They >>are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds >>the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. > >I don't agree with this. I don't hear MM replacing one statement with >another. Rather, the RIA initiative is an *additional* statement. > > >>In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a >>common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times >>longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon >>that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic >>contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling >>points. > >If a prerequisite to all software development was the ability to produce >said software with one developer, we would probably be in a sad state of >affairs at the moment. > >That being said, you *can* still produce CF web apps with one developer. >But >if you would like to tackle larger, more complex projects such as RIAs, >your >associated development time and costs will have to change accordingly. >If >that wasn't the case, we'd all be building Amazon.com for $200. > > >>Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I >think >>Macr
RE: CFMX and sessions.
> How in the world do you keep a session alive in CFMX when... > > A) Cookies are disabled > > and > > B) You move from one domain to the other > > I have 3 situations with my shopping cart. > > 1) When a person has cookies disabled I add cfid and cftoken > to the URL. This has worked fine to keep the session alive > since 4.01. > > 2) When a person clicks checkout, I change the URL to the > secure URL and add cfid and cftoken to the URL. Since it goes > to a page under the same cfapplication tag with the same > application name, the session stays alive, since 4.01. > > However, neither of these work in CFMX. HOW do I keep a > session alive under these 2 conditions. It shouldn't be > brain surgery. One thing I HAVE noticed is that sometimes > there is a JSESSIONID cookie set. So I passed that value > in the query string also, but to no avail. > > 3) Occasionally, on a redirect, I get that nasty, UGLY > JSESSIONID URL parameter. I say UGLY, because it doesn't > create a query string. It makes it like... > > www.domain.com/page.cfm;JSESSIONID=987908979808758 > > WHAT is that and HOW can I make it stay away? That's the J2EE session ID. You can use J2EE sessions and session IDs instead of "traditional" CF session IDs (CFID & CFTOKEN). There's an option in the CF Administrator to enable this. You might want to turn this off; if you do, I'd expect everything to just work fine for you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFFORM with method="GET"?
> I'm trying to use CFFORM with method="GET" I need to pass > my form variables via the URL but it seems to be working > like a POST. Straight from the docs: "The method attribute is automatically set to post; if you specify a value, it is ignored." So, if you must send data via the URL, you'll probably want to use a regular HTML form. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
SOT: Too many fields in Access?! Help!
Microsoft used to offer a trial version of SQL server for free, for development -- that way you only have to develop once. I just checked their website and they have removed it (temporarily)due to the new slammer worm, but maybe you can find a copy from someone locally. The file is about 300 MB large, so even if I could find a copy I couldn't email it to you, but maybe someone local has a copy. It was free, so it's not a copyright problem. Alternatively, maybe you should divide your data into more than one table? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
XML -> Struct -> XML
Hi - This seems like such an obvious function, I'm sure it's right under my nose, but I'm burned out this afternoon :) Is there a function/UDF/custom tag that converts XML-formatted text to a Struct and back again? - Jim ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFFORM with method="GET"?
Everett, Does that mean I'm stuck with using the regular FORM tag? Regards, JB ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Payment Gateway
We use Payflow pro on our site and it comes with a Custom Tag for CF. The tag is an API and will need to be installed. Rick -Original Message- From: Hamm, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Payment Gateway Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring billing. I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some others. Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) Is Verisign worth the $$$? thanks Greg Hamm Partner Coreillia Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.coreillia.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: The New Macromedia Website
see below Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Adrocknaphobia Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website > Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not the facts. I > agree with the trip methodology, but when I got in the car, macromedia > told me the destination was rapid development and lower costs. The new > altered path is u-turn, because now we are heading towards longer > development and higher costs. Is someone holding a gun to your head saying you have to build RIAs?? You can still use CFMX to rapidly build web applications...this has not changed. New technology comes out all the time...embrace it or don't...your choiceI know I will (and I don't need more developers to do it...that's BS IMHO) > > By all means, I am not arguing that Allaire didn't get us to that > destination. Cold Fusion delivered what it promised. This is why I am a > firm believer in the rapid development philosophy. But now that we've > gotten there, why are we turning around and going back to where we > started. If this is the sine curve of web development, then maybe I get > off here, and be ahead of the game when you guys turn around again. Listen...I knew zip about Flash MX...CFCs or CFMX...it took 2 days to build an app that I would consider to be on par with anything I can do in CF (been at CF since Jan. 98). Granted it wasn't super complex, but it's just not that hard to do. I picked it up quite quickly...took a bit to wrap my head around what wa up and ran with it. I love it.have you even used it yet? > > Jaye. I fully understand this technology. I know what's going on under > the hood. Yes there is some bandwidth saving aspect of flash apps, but > my end user doesn't care. If it takes 30 seconds to load the page, they > are gone. Yup and CF was a perfect tool when it came out...nothing new has occured and it has never spead up one ms in 6 versionsya see my point ;-) Give it a chance Please provide a link to a page that takes 30 seconds to load...I betcha it won't take that long heremy dabblings in RIAs have yet to result in anything slow. > > As a capitalist you are assuming that if you invest more, you will get a > higher return. Even though there isn't much evidence to prove this. If > amazon.com decided to go into an RIA, they would be negating the > millions the spent to build their existing site, not too mention > spending three times their original investment. Just because it's in > flash, how is it going to sell more books? The fact that RIA means > higher quality is still unproven. MM can give you the Starbucks lecture > about how people will pay for 'experience', which I think holds true in > brick and mortar. I think it's a pipe dream in the world of the web. If > Barnes and Noble has a better price on Harry Potter, people will buy it > there, regardless of the online buying 'experience'. You're rightthat would be stupid. Look to the future my friend...we're building a different animal here. HTML interfaces are crap compared to what can be built with Flash. The idea here is to build systems/tools that were previously not possible due to restrictions of HTML/cross-browser issues. > > If an RIA is going to cost me 3X as much, then I want to see 4X the > return or it wasn't worth it. I don't think changing the media of the > site will impact returns to that extent. Agian..it doesn't take 3x as much development time (as far as I have already experienced). Look at it this way...if it takes longer to do the coding you're still saving all that cross-browser time you would normally waste. > > For the last few years I've been telling upper management that I can cut > costs, raise quality, and employ less developers. Cold Fusion is the > solution for us. Am I supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 times the > budget per project and quadruple my department size (4x my yearly > operating costs) I have no evidence that this will bring us any return > on our investment or will our application be higher quality. They will > in fact be slower to load though, and probably won't be accessible to > everyone. Oh yeah, please disregard everything I've told you in the past > few years, about saving money and faster development. I've changed my > mind. (Seriously, if I didn't write this, I'd think it was from a > Dilbert comic) Agin..this would be stupid...the right tool for the job...sound like CF alone is just fine for your company. > > A year is not enough time to completely contrast a philosophy.
RE: Macromedia at Risk (Was OT - Fusebox for Flash?)
> -Original Message- > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Macromedia at Risk (Was OT - Fusebox for Flash?) > > > On Saturday, Mar 1, 2003, at 17:22 US/Pacific, dwayne wrote: > > If Flash is serious about being the next Generation Web Interface, > > they must introduce an application that makes it easy to generate > > "Dynamic" RIA. > > I take it you don't think Flash MX is a suitable authoring environment > for Flash movies? Sean, do you do Flash development? While FlashMX is potentially a nice authoring tool, it's so buggy that it can be extremely frustrating to work with. Basic things like scroll bars in the app disappearing make it really hard to get work done. And I know that bug was reported at least 5 months ago and the only update to FLMX is the documentation. -Kevin ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye I think we're starting to argue semantics and not the facts. I agree with the trip methodology, but when I got in the car, macromedia told me the destination was rapid development and lower costs. The new altered path is u-turn, because now we are heading towards longer development and higher costs. By all means, I am not arguing that Allaire didn't get us to that destination. Cold Fusion delivered what it promised. This is why I am a firm believer in the rapid development philosophy. But now that we've gotten there, why are we turning around and going back to where we started. If this is the sine curve of web development, then maybe I get off here, and be ahead of the game when you guys turn around again. Jaye. I fully understand this technology. I know what's going on under the hood. Yes there is some bandwidth saving aspect of flash apps, but my end user doesn't care. If it takes 30 seconds to load the page, they are gone. As a capitalist you are assuming that if you invest more, you will get a higher return. Even though there isn't much evidence to prove this. If amazon.com decided to go into an RIA, they would be negating the millions the spent to build their existing site, not too mention spending three times their original investment. Just because it's in flash, how is it going to sell more books? The fact that RIA means higher quality is still unproven. MM can give you the Starbucks lecture about how people will pay for 'experience', which I think holds true in brick and mortar. I think it's a pipe dream in the world of the web. If Barnes and Noble has a better price on Harry Potter, people will buy it there, regardless of the online buying 'experience'. If an RIA is going to cost me 3X as much, then I want to see 4X the return or it wasn't worth it. I don't think changing the media of the site will impact returns to that extent. For the last few years I've been telling upper management that I can cut costs, raise quality, and employ less developers. Cold Fusion is the solution for us. Am I supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 times the budget per project and quadruple my department size (4x my yearly operating costs) I have no evidence that this will bring us any return on our investment or will our application be higher quality. They will in fact be slower to load though, and probably won't be accessible to everyone. Oh yeah, please disregard everything I've told you in the past few years, about saving money and faster development. I've changed my mind. (Seriously, if I didn't write this, I'd think it was from a Dilbert comic) A year is not enough time to completely contrast a philosophy. Look, I'm just trying to shed light on this shock you are attributing to 'new technology'. I'm not making these facts up; I'm trying to logically explain them. In August of last year anyone talking about emerging MS technology on this list would get flamed and lambasted. I can't tell you how many times I got the M$ evil empire lecture. But last month I noticed a large part of this community actively learning .NET. Which is very concerning considering CFMX hasn't even been out a year. My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't tell you where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know where I, a MM developer will be in a year either. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website Adam, What I am about to say is simply based on my experience and impression. Point by point I would reflect it back to you this way: 1. " The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM." Jaye's Response: Instead of saying complete turn of stance, I would say altered course. It's like being on a trip. You may start out moving towards one destination and yet in the process end up somewhere else. As you take your trip you acquire experience and new information (and technology) that simply leads you somewhere else. That's a good thing. We are making progress professionally. 2. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. Jaye's Response: That is still true. Try a side by side comparison of a CF APP and a JSP or ASP app. You will laugh. 3. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. Jaye's Response: I have not actually heard MM say... he we want you to build bloat-ware apps and kill your client base. I am not sure if you are aware, but lets just talk about passing data to your html page. Every time
Re: New MM.com
Paul Hastings wrote: > i come from a rather bandwidth poor part of the world & was prepared for > p*ss-poor performance. i was surprised at how well bandwidth was used, even > the slower portions didn't seem that slow. very well done. I just ran some totally unscientific tests on the Macromedia site. Duron 800, IE 6, NT 4, Flash 6.0.79.0 100 Mbps 3 time average Initial load is 278523 bytes Initial load is 52 request (8 or 9 cached). Initial load time is 11 seconds. ICMP RTT = 150 ms. There were never more as 2 HTTP connections open to the site, so that means 22 requests per connection. With a round trip time of 150 ms, I think this translates directly to 3.3 seconds (in reality you need to add for TCP SYN/ACK). 10 or more requests take more as half a second, of which 2 take more as 1 second (including the initial request for "/" which is probably due to the syn/ack). On subsequent requests, the number of requests goes down to about 30, the cache hit ratio goes up to over 50% and pages load in an acceptable time (and use as less as 30 KB for each page). The only problem is with the "Downloads" page. Times are totally inconsistent and on average much longer as the rest of the site. And the downloads page is the page I used for previous benchmarks :-( Overall, bandwidth use is not excessive (at least for my standards), but the speed is not good either. Part of that appears to be due to the high number of requests, part of that is that some requests take long on the server, and part of that is probably that a Duron 800 is apparently not fast enough anymore. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: 2 Selects Related
Why didn't you ask me? I have it -Original Message- From: Luce, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: 2 Selects Related Does someone have a copy of the 2 Selects Related Custom Tag? I finally found it on the new MM site after having to install another Flash player and reboot and the download page is broken! Anyone like the new MM site? ***Sterling Financial Investment Group, Inc. (SFIG) is a member ofNASD/MSRB/NFA/SIPC. Email transmissions may be monitored. SFIG cannotaccept orders to buy or sell via email. Please visit www.mysterling.com formore information.*** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFFORM with method="GET"?
Hello Everyone, I'm trying to use CFFORM with method="GET" I need to pass my form variables via the URL but it seems to be working like a POST. My Code: If I get rid of the CFFORM and use a regular FORM it works. Any ideas? Regards, James Blaha ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
You don't (AFAIK) Jaye -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website CFMX and sessions. Hi all. Every time I think I've turned the corner with MX, it bites me in the rear. OK Batman. Riddle me this: How in the world do you keep a session alive in CFMX when... A) Cookies are disabled and B) You move from one domain to the other ??? I have 3 situations with my shopping cart. 1) When a person has cookies disabled I add cfid and cftoken to the URL. This has worked fine to keep the session alive since 4.01. 2) When a person clicks checkout, I change the URL to the secure URL and add cfid and cftoken to the URL. Since it goes to a page under the same cfapplication tag with the same application name, the session stays alive, since 4.01. However, neither of these work in CFMX. HOW do I keep a session alive under these 2 conditions. It shouldn't be brain surgery. One thing I HAVE noticed is that sometimes there is a JSESSIONID cookie set. So I passed that value in the query string also, but to no avail. 3) Occasionally, on a redirect, I get that nasty, UGLY JSESSIONID URL parameter. I say UGLY, because it doesn't create a query string. It makes it like... www.domain.com/page.cfm;JSESSIONID=987908979808758 WHAT is that and HOW can I make it stay away? Thanks! -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Payment Gateway
www.firepay.com Very nice >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/06/03 03:55PM >>> Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring billing. I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some others. Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) Is Verisign worth the $$$? thanks Greg Hamm Partner Coreillia Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.coreillia.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Payment Gateway
2Checkout has been stable for quite a while. They always pay on time. I use them myself, but thats strictly because I have low transaction volume; low enough for me to pay their 5.5% rate without being too annoyed. Its probably the best no-brainer solution out there. Their subscription service is very handy for hosting clients. I've heard people in their forums (which I don't believe you can get to without being a member) yelling about how their authorize.net-compatible interface isn't. Not sure how much truth there is to that and how much is developer-caused. Personally I just use their checkout forms, but as soon as I can I'll give their gateway code a whirl when I build a cart into my cms. --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- From: "Hamm, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:55:14 -0800 >Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily >integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring >billing. > >I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some >others. > >Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) > >Is Verisign worth the $$$? > >thanks > >Greg Hamm >Partner >Coreillia Development >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.coreillia.com > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Using Blobs or Long files in Cold Fusion
> Hello all...I am trying to populate an Oracle table with files > (ppt, doc, pdf, etc..). Are there any limitations that would > prevent this from working correctly? It seems that I am having > problems doing this. I can't tell if it is Oracle or CF. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone is using WelcomHome > 3.0 with Oracle, PLEASE send me an email. Which version of CF are you using? I could never get this to work properly with our setup (CF5,solaris 5.8, oracle 8i). Only under CFMX Ent. did I get this to work and that was with a servlet. Being able to run servlets is about the only redeeming factor of CFMX. Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFFORM with method="GET"?
There is no METHOD attribute for CFFORM. > -Original Message- > From: James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 4:42 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CFFORM with method="GET"? > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm trying to use CFFORM with method="GET" I need to pass my form > variables via the URL but it seems to be working like a POST. > > > > My Code: > > > > > > > > If I get rid of the CFFORM and use a regular FORM it works. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Regards, > > James Blaha > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END
Ezine wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:54 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: New Macromedia.com launched! -- THE END >> >> >> As Stan points out, I never realized how much I desperately need a >> right-click "Open in New Window" until it disappeared in the DevEx. >> That one is definitely going into the feedback form. > > How about holding down shift when clicking on the link? (the keyboard > shortcut?) 1. That requires me to use a keyboard. 2. That does not allow me to differentiate between opening in a new tab and opening in a new window. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Yes CF is still the fastest. Up to about 6 months ago should be the primary goal of web any application developer, according to MM. They stressed how cost effective it is to speed up development and use less programmers. They told us to shrink our web development teams, develop on CF, and web applications will be done cheaper and faster. Cost effective. The boss will be happy. Yaddy yadda yadda. Call me a fool, but I bought into it, and I still believe it. The philosophy of the company has done an about face. Now it's about investing huge budgets & large teams. This contrast couldn't really be more extreme. Basically, Macromedia taught me to oppose the notion of RIA for these reasons. Now they want me to change my mind. It just seems like ill timing to get us to spend more when the economy is in a slump. Now more than ever is it important to cut the fat and not be as frugal as we were in the late 90s. I'm speaking from a few years of meeting a lot of developers and seeing how companies have adopted Cold Fusion. The large majority of companies I've seen using CF have development teams under 5 people. Additionally it's rare that an entire department is working one sole application. So most teams are very small, if not lone. As I said, it's a failure to me. If I launched a large corporate site that was this unresponsive, neglected the _large_ majority of users without broadband, and didn't display properly across browsers... it's a failure. But I'm one of those people who like to beta test _before_ making it live. I think the 'beta' label is just a reaction to the negative feedback. You are right... it is just a website. But it's a website for a company that claims to be the end all resource for building websites, so of course the bar is much higher than say http://www.realultimatepower.net/. I'm also not talking about the website, I'm talking about MM, RIA's and the future of the web. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Kief [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website >You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture >shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, >the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, >or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. > >Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to >create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with >the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low >cost. How has this really changed though?? CF is *still* the fastest way to get web apps out the door. >What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They >are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds >the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. I don't agree with this. I don't hear MM replacing one statement with another. Rather, the RIA initiative is an *additional* statement. >In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a >common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times >longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon >that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic >contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling >points. If a prerequisite to all software development was the ability to produce said software with one developer, we would probably be in a sad state of affairs at the moment. That being said, you *can* still produce CF web apps with one developer. But if you would like to tackle larger, more complex projects such as RIAs, your associated development time and costs will have to change accordingly. If that wasn't the case, we'd all be building Amazon.com for $200. >Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think >Macromedia is getting to bold for its own good. As a web developer, if I >launched MM.com, I would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA >take more time, money and people to produce but now it has to be >'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a reasonable speed. Furthermore, >I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never >implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only >a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like >Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. I think it's a little too early to label the site a failure. Come on, it's only been 1 day. Like any project, there will be bugs and other issues to iron out. But I'm glad to see MM taking this step and pushing the limits of what's possible on the web. It's only going to make my job easier in the future as they will find and address problems with the development and deplo
Re: SOT: Too many fields in Access?! Help!
Gyrus wrote: > I'm working on a project that requires the values from quite a large form to > be stored in a DB, ready to be printed out. I'm just adding some fields - > I'm about 4/5 done and I've got 130+ already - and Access has told me it > can't save the table now cos there's too many fields defined! Did you try a "Compact & repair"? Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
help w/session, client & app variables
Hello all. with all the new mm site talk going on, I feel like a mouse sticking his head out from the hole and raising a finger saying "excuse me" but here goes. In attempting to create my first secure login page, I felt it important to first understand session, client and application variables, which at this point are a bit mystifying. I followed a thread that took place about a month ago about setting up a login page and I'm referring back to that as well. but to start my learning process, I referred back to Ben Forta's example in a CF 4.0 book (plz don't laugh so I can hear you). in there is an example I'm trying to follow (the CF_Pet example in chapt 27) I've copied just two files he has off the CD ( application.cfm and index.cfm ). when trying to open index.cfm I get an error, which I don't understand why is happening. this is obviously an error associated with the application.cfm file but with my limited knowledge, I don't see why it might happen... any suggestions/pointers to tutorials, etc would be appreciated Error Diagnostic Information An error occurred while evaluating the expression: #session.addToken# Error near line 50, column 58. Error resolving parameter SESSION.ADDTOKEN The session variable ADDTOKEN does not exist. The cause of this error is very likely one of the following things: 1. The name of the session variable has been misspelled. 2. The session variable has not yet been created. 3. The session variable has timed out. The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (#session.addToken#), occupying document position (50:57) to (50:74). The application.cfm file reference to session.addtoken is as follows: Tim Laureska ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX and sessions.
Hi all. Every time I think I've turned the corner with MX, it bites me in the rear. OK Batman. Riddle me this: How in the world do you keep a session alive in CFMX when... A) Cookies are disabled and B) You move from one domain to the other ??? I have 3 situations with my shopping cart. 1) When a person has cookies disabled I add cfid and cftoken to the URL. This has worked fine to keep the session alive since 4.01. 2) When a person clicks checkout, I change the URL to the secure URL and add cfid and cftoken to the URL. Since it goes to a page under the same cfapplication tag with the same application name, the session stays alive, since 4.01. However, neither of these work in CFMX. HOW do I keep a session alive under these 2 conditions. It shouldn't be brain surgery. One thing I HAVE noticed is that sometimes there is a JSESSIONID cookie set. So I passed that value in the query string also, but to no avail. 3) Occasionally, on a redirect, I get that nasty, UGLY JSESSIONID URL parameter. I say UGLY, because it doesn't create a query string. It makes it like... www.domain.com/page.cfm;JSESSIONID=987908979808758 WHAT is that and HOW can I make it stay away? Thanks! -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
ACK!!! I hit reply to that subject to save time and tabbedonce too often and the subject went to the top of the e-mail. OOPS and sorry. I'll re-post with the correct subject. :) -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
jon hall wrote:
> Definitely will only work in IE...only IE sticks everything in the
> global namespace.
>
>
> Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:44:08 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> function preview(thisImg,thisObj){
>> thisImg.src="file:\/\/"+thisObj.value;
>> }
>>
Actually I tested that code and it works as well in Mozilla 1.2 and
Opera 7 but not NN 6 (all on the PC).
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Regards,
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RE: The New Macromedia Website
Not to be a jerk but you probably could if you passed the info to a shared object in FlashMX. Jaye -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website CFMX and sessions. Hi all. Every time I think I've turned the corner with MX, it bites me in the rear. OK Batman. Riddle me this: How in the world do you keep a session alive in CFMX when... A) Cookies are disabled and B) You move from one domain to the other ??? I have 3 situations with my shopping cart. 1) When a person has cookies disabled I add cfid and cftoken to the URL. This has worked fine to keep the session alive since 4.01. 2) When a person clicks checkout, I change the URL to the secure URL and add cfid and cftoken to the URL. Since it goes to a page under the same cfapplication tag with the same application name, the session stays alive, since 4.01. However, neither of these work in CFMX. HOW do I keep a session alive under these 2 conditions. It shouldn't be brain surgery. One thing I HAVE noticed is that sometimes there is a JSESSIONID cookie set. So I passed that value in the query string also, but to no avail. 3) Occasionally, on a redirect, I get that nasty, UGLY JSESSIONID URL parameter. I say UGLY, because it doesn't create a query string. It makes it like... www.domain.com/page.cfm;JSESSIONID=987908979808758 WHAT is that and HOW can I make it stay away? Thanks! -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
PDF creation
** Before I ask my question, I know that this is in the archives, but I cannot get to the archives becuase I do not remember my password and the 'send your password' function has not sent me my password and it has been over 30 min since I did it ** What tool do you guys recomend for PDF creation from CF? ActivePDF is out and I cannot remember the other one that is liked so much. Thanks, Clint ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
> Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and > easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. > That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting > applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. I don't think that's changed any. CF is still the fastest and easiest way to create web applications. Those applications may use HTML interfaces, or Flash interfaces, but CF is still the best thing for powering the server-side portion of the application. > What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ > opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, > which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up > rapidly in the last few months. I don't get this at all. I don't ever recall anyone at MM saying "don't use CF any more". What they are saying is that they think that web applications with more functional Flash interfaces will be the wave of the future. But even if you don't drink the Flash koolaid, I don't see why you'd be upset about it one way or another. > In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times > more than a common cold fusion application. Additionally > it will take 2-3 times longer in development. I believe > it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon that a successful > RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic contrast > to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling > points. I don't really think Macromedia ever endorsed any "lone CF developer ideology". If they did, it was largely BS then - most complex projects simply can't be accomplished by one person. I do agree with you that applications with Flash interfaces will cost more than ones with HTML interfaces. That shouldn't come as a surprise, and is certainly a valid consideration when determining what kind of interface to use in an application. But it's not the only consideration, and it never was. For example, we've been building DHTML interfaces for quite a long time, and guess what - they cost more than plain ol' HTML interfaces. Sometimes, the increase in usability and functionality is worth it, and other times it may not be. But in either case, you can still use CF to lower the overall development cost and minimize the complexity of your server-side code. > Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. > However, I think Macromedia is getting to bold for its > own good. As a web developer, if I launched MM.com, I > would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA > take more time, money and people to produce but now > it has to be 'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a > reasonable speed. I don't remember the Allaire site being any great shakes, though. I always thought they did a pretty poor job of showcasing their own technology. But, to me, that's not really a statement about how good the technology is, just about their implementation. In my opinion, too, the Macromedia site isn't really an application in any meaningful sense. It's just a site, with content - mostly advertising, really. No matter how good they are at developing their own site, they're simply not going to have the kind of specific focus that a typical web application might have. > Furthermore, I think MM is still jumping the gun with > broadband. I could never implement something like this > because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small > percentage of people in the US have broadband, in > countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband > doesn't even exist. That's a valid opinion, but I suspect they know their userbase better than we do. > Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming > the developer community to these ideas, MM has thrown > boiling water on them. This backlash is a predictable > outcome they should have seen coming. > > Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list > of curveballs MM has thrown its developers. > > To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is > very daunting being that I have only been listening to > them since they bought Allaire. To me, a lot of the backlash seen on this list strikes me as unwarranted and as overreaction. People here have freaked out over Dreamweaver, with no real reason in my opinion - you either like it and use it, or don't, since you can still buy and use Homesite+. People have freaked out over CFMX, even though it's been strikingly successful in my opinion considering it's really a 1.0 product, rewritten entirely in Java - and without a significant change like this, CF was likely to fail in its competition with enterprise app servers. But then, I remember when people freaked out over CF 4's horrific memory management problems, or CF 3's scalability problems with memory variables, and I think that things haven't changed much after all. As for whether you should trust Macromedia, or Allaire, or any other vendor, well, all I can say is "trust, but verify". Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-54
Re: Payment Gateway
Greg, We use CDG Commerce's service, and have for a number of years with great success. We also developed a custom tag to process realtime payments through their gateway. It doesn't have recurring billing, but that could easily be setup with your application .. CDG's setup is free, go to http://www.quilldesign.com/cdg/index.cfm and you can download the application (free). It will send off your information to CDG and they will send you an application, but you are by no means obligated to signup for their service. The custom tag has a test account setup so you can test out the system. Hope this helps! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign > Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily > integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring > billing. > > I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some > others. > > Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) > > Is Verisign worth the $$$? > > thanks > > Greg Hamm > Partner > Coreillia Development > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.coreillia.com > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: New Macromedia.com launched!
Jillian Carroll wrote: > If version 6.0 isn't bleeding edge enough... that's a problem as far as > I'm concerned. They should all work on the site. But older versions have security issues. But it would be nice if the Macromedia site warned you if you weren't using the lastest and greatest version. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Payment Gateway
Anybody have recommendations regarding a payment gateway, that easily integrates with Coldfusion? Preferably (if possible) to have reoccurring billing. I've been looking at Payflow Pro from Verisign, 2checkout, and some others. Tips? Tricks? Pre-written code ;) Is Verisign worth the $$$? thanks Greg Hamm Partner Coreillia Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.coreillia.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
Definitely will only work in IE...only IE sticks everything in the
global namespace.
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JM>
JM> function preview(thisImg,thisObj){
JM> thisImg.src="file:\/\/"+thisObj.value;
JM> }
JM>
JM>
JM> enctype="multipart/form-data">
JM>
JM> onclick="preview(myimg,upfile);">
JM>
JM> This works in IE at least, didn't test in anything else.
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JM> Subject: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
JM> Hi List!
JM> I have templates which allow a user to upload an image. I would like to
JM> be able to let the user preview the image before they commit the form:
JM> They browse to locate the image file, and after they've said ok to a
JM> file, the file path info is populated in the "upfile" field in the form
JM> (below). I was thinking there should be a JS way to display that image
JM> right after the "upfile" field is populated and before the form is
JM> committed.
JM> I didn't *want* to use another page to do it (select image, submit form,
JM> use next page to add additional descriptors) but being a js novice...
JM> Ideas? Ridicule? 8-P
JM> The form:
JM> (using cf5)
JM> enctype="multipart/form-data"> click browse to
JM> enter the filename!
JM>
JM> type="Hidden" name="mountnumber" value=#URL.mountnumber#>
JM> caption: VALUE="enter caption here" onfocus="javascript:this.value='';">
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RE: The New Macromedia Website
CFMX and sessions. Hi all. Every time I think I've turned the corner with MX, it bites me in the rear. OK Batman. Riddle me this: How in the world do you keep a session alive in CFMX when... A) Cookies are disabled and B) You move from one domain to the other ??? I have 3 situations with my shopping cart. 1) When a person has cookies disabled I add cfid and cftoken to the URL. This has worked fine to keep the session alive since 4.01. 2) When a person clicks checkout, I change the URL to the secure URL and add cfid and cftoken to the URL. Since it goes to a page under the same cfapplication tag with the same application name, the session stays alive, since 4.01. However, neither of these work in CFMX. HOW do I keep a session alive under these 2 conditions. It shouldn't be brain surgery. One thing I HAVE noticed is that sometimes there is a JSESSIONID cookie set. So I passed that value in the query string also, but to no avail. 3) Occasionally, on a redirect, I get that nasty, UGLY JSESSIONID URL parameter. I say UGLY, because it doesn't create a query string. It makes it like... www.domain.com/page.cfm;JSESSIONID=987908979808758 WHAT is that and HOW can I make it stay away? Thanks! -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ 954.721.3452 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Concatenate columns in SQL Server
maybe this will help? http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-sql/2000-06/msg00209.php good luck - Original Message - From: "Dowdell, Jason G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Concatenate columns in SQL Server > Hi Guys, > > Just can't seem to remember how to concatenate columns in sqlserver. > I thought it was double pipes, "||" then I thought it was a plus sign "+". > Just can't seem to stick these query columns together. > > Thanks, > jason > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Password protection IIS 5 and CFMX
Still no luck even after restarting IIS. I cannot disable the sandbox as this is a shared server ~~ Stephenie Hamilton Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional CFXHosting -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Password protection IIS 5 and CFMX > ok, this is what i have done so far. > > add the user to users/groups. > add the user to the directory permissions for the dir i want > protected. > add the user with read/execute perms to the > runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrun.dll file. > in iis remove anonymous access for the dir i want protected. Have you restarted IIS after making the permissions change to the ISAPI DLL? > this is a cfmx server that is sandboxed. I don't have any > of these issues on our non-sandboxed servers using directory > security through iis. any other ideas? What happens if you disable the sandbox stuff? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Free Mail Server
I use it for pop3/imap/smtp server for a small userbase. and smtp for cf server. no real problems. firedaemon is convenient for creating multiple app run as services. I'd like some more web stuff, and will get around to installing squirrelmail/imap as a webclient. Eric From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Free Mail Server Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:35:24 -0500 Yeah I was able to create a "fake" service to run it -- but the process was a little screwy -- I had to use a program called SRVANY, part of the w2k resource kit That said, it's held up to just about the worst abuse we could throw at it -- we had it send 35,000 emails and deal with 7,000 bounces the other day, and we didn't experience any problems. Would I use it as replacement for outlook? Probably not... but for a backup SMTP sending tool for out newsletters, it's worked pretty darn well. -- jon -Original Message- From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Free Mail Server check out firedaemon.com as a service utility also the discussion list for mercury is quite active - and a good resource for questions. Eric From: "Phillip B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Free Mail Server Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:05:50 -0600 I've been using Mercury mail for almost a year without any real problems. Two things though, it doesn't run as a service and the support for it is not that great. I'm looking for a new server because I'm not that happy with my experiance. Phillip B. - Original Message - From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: RE: Free Mail Server > We've been very happy with mercury mail -- totally free, you can download it > from pmail.com > > Does SMPT, POP... even finger, should you want it. > > -- jon > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:49 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server > > > I will second mail enable. > > Thanks! > Robert Bailey > Famous for nothing > > > -Original Message- > From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server > > > Mail Enable > > Mailenable.com > > Nice product... > > Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: Free Mail Server > > > Anyone know of a good free mail server? (sorry for the ot, but as > always you'all know everything) > > Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server > IIS 5 > > Paul Giesenhagen > QuillDesign > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: The New Macromedia Website
- Original Message - From: "Chris Kief" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They > >are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds > >the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. > > I don't agree with this. I don't hear MM replacing one statement with > another. Rather, the RIA initiative is an *additional* statement. Correct. One thing to keep in mind is that the vast majority of the website is in HTML / ColdFusion, with just small elements of Flash being used on those pages. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Your reasons for doubting the legitimacy of RIA are understandable, but it seems to me there is a labor-intensive gap for RIA applications that may be answered soon and may make them far more practical to develop. Remember when Flash 5 came out and you could suddenly use form controls? Before then, you had to roll your own and they took a lot of time to build. Suddenly, with reusable components, life became a lot simpler. What is a form component without a form? Just a piece of a larger picture. You are stuck right now with having to build out your own classes to handle these things. IMHO, there is a need for a windowing component in Flash to make real applications simpler to develop. Something to group form components into a whole that can be used by developers to make real applications. Something OO that can be easily scripted and has well-defined methods and properties. In other words, I look to RIA as something that is being built out right now, and will be feasible for development shops in the near future. Right now, it is expensive as hell, but it won't be that way forever. M -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website Very well said... Adam. I still do belive.. RIA is just another hype...just like applets, which didnt go anywhere..inpsite of the fact that applet techniques were Non-Proprietary. You might see some flashy marketing type implementations like Nike Golf/now MM.. but i dont think RIA will be of any value to scalable/high traffic(eg ebay,amazon etc) Web Applications. Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Adam, What I am about to say is simply based on my experience and impression. Point by point I would reflect it back to you this way: 1. " The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM." Jaye's Response: Instead of saying complete turn of stance, I would say altered course. It's like being on a trip. You may start out moving towards one destination and yet in the process end up somewhere else. As you take your trip you acquire experience and new information (and technology) that simply leads you somewhere else. That's a good thing. We are making progress professionally. 2. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. Jaye's Response: That is still true. Try a side by side comparison of a CF APP and a JSP or ASP app. You will laugh. 3. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. Jaye's Response: I have not actually heard MM say... he we want you to build bloat-ware apps and kill your client base. I am not sure if you are aware, but lets just talk about passing data to your html page. Every time you make a change that page must reload. Queries, XML, HTML, CFML, Javascript and all. Using remoting you can load the interface once and from there on out just pass data (e.g. a dramatic bandwidth savings) and your are not reloading the UI, etc... That is a cool thing. Also people seem to have a difficult time trusting what they may not fully understand (and that's no diss on you or anyone else). 4. as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Jaye's response: As the sophistication and robustness grows, so does the price to be honest with you. I am a capitalist, that does not bother me. Do you think it bothers the gas company if they charge you $2 instead of $1. RIA's in my mind bring us closer to the point that we can put desktop applications out, due to the robustness of CMFL, CFC's and Actionscript. 5. I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. Jaye's Response: MM's people make decisions about their website like we make decisions about the sites we develop. Personally I don't find it that heavy. 6. Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming the developer community to these ideas, MM has thrown boiling water on them. Jaye's Response: MM has been warming us up for about a year now. You can go back through DEVNET and read a huge amount of articles and tutorials. In addition MM provides Free online presentations (I attended one last week) giving greater insight to the technology. It's there and available to you. 7. Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list of curveballs MM has thrown its developers. Jaye's Response: I am not sure if the expression "curve ball" can really be used. We have all seen it coming. Maybe people anxiety is increased a little saying, "where do I start". CFUG's are a great place to start. I attended a great CFUG meeting with Charlie Arehart (www.Systemmanagement.com) about a month ago. He focused on "getting CF developers over the hump" with building a RIA in about 15 minutes... start to finish. Once it was over, those fearing the FlashMX timeline said "wow that was painless." 8. To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is very daunting being that I have only been listening to them since they bought Allaire. Jaye's Response: I cannot say I am in your shoes. When Microsoft released .NET for all intents and purposes there where a lot of developers who have been doing that stuff for years and then they had to re-tool and learn not only a new language and ways of thinking about their applications, but new standards and practices as well. To use a metaphor, this is like a relationship. The parties cannot possibly stay as they where when they first met. For the relationship to be a success... if they are to continue on together, they have to compromise and learn to accommodate each other. Macromedia standing over our shoulders (like our clients sometimes like to...lol) and say "YOU MUST CODE THIS EXACT WAY and MAKE YOU INTERFACE EXACTLY LIKE THAT" to be a solid coder. That is up to you. You are paid based on your coding and design skills, not Macromedia's. They are not god. They just make some pretty cool tools. Sorry for any typo's. Keep the Faith, -//- Jaye Morris - Multimedia Developer -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.navtrak.net -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.jayezero.com -Original Message- From
Looping over struct refresher
Brain dead. I have an xml file, parsed into a cfstructure. So now we have node.node.[number].item with each node.node.[number] having many items. How do I loop over this to access the variables? Set it to an array somehow? Any quick pointers would so appreciated as I cannot for the life of me get my head on straight today. Regards, Eric J Hoffman DataStream Connexion www.datastreamconnexion.com Delivering Creative Data Solutions ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Password protection IIS 5 and CFMX
> ok, this is what i have done so far. > > add the user to users/groups. > add the user to the directory permissions for the dir i want > protected. > add the user with read/execute perms to the > runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrun.dll file. > in iis remove anonymous access for the dir i want protected. Have you restarted IIS after making the permissions change to the ISAPI DLL? > this is a cfmx server that is sandboxed. I don't have any > of these issues on our non-sandboxed servers using directory > security through iis. any other ideas? What happens if you disable the sandbox stuff? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
FYI - If you don't give the initial image a size (no height/width
attributes) and just use a 1x1 px gif then the image will auto-resize
when previewing.
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Just did this yesterday.
function showImage(img) {
var imgObj = document.images['header'];
imgObj.src = 'file:///' + img;
}
However this doesn't work completetly in NS4 or at all in Mozilla
because I was being lazy and the site was IE only anyway. NS4 because it
doesn't support changing an image _size_ via JS (src it will change),
you would have to use doc.write to write the img tag to a
span/div/ilayer/layer in NS4. It should work in Mozilla, but it wasn't
for me yesterday...because Mozilla has more bugs than MX even lol.
Specifically though, the onchange event wasn't firing in Moz.
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Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:25:40 PM, you wrote:
JZ> Hi List!
JZ> I have templates which allow a user to upload an image. I would like
JZ> to be able to let the user preview the image before they commit the
JZ> form: They browse to locate the image file, and after they've said
JZ> ok to a file, the file path info is populated in the "upfile" field
JZ> in the form (below). I was thinking there should be a JS way to
JZ> display that image right after the "upfile" field is populated and
JZ> before the form is committed.
JZ> I didn't *want* to use another page to do it (select image, submit
JZ> form, use next page to add additional descriptors) but being a js
JZ> novice...
JZ> Ideas? Ridicule? 8-P
JZ> The form:
JZ> (using cf5)
JZ> enctype="multipart/form-data"> click
JZ> browse to enter the filename!
JZ>
JZ>
JZ>
JZ> caption: VALUE="enter caption here" onfocus="javascript:this.value='';">
JZ> --snip--
JZ> joe
JZ> --
JZ> Joe Zanter, Materials Lab, Woodward Aircraft Engine Systems
JZ> 5001 North 2nd Street, Rockford IL 61125
JZ> ph 815-639-6312, fx 815-639-5104
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Re: Concatenate columns in SQL Server
This should work. select 'myfield'=fieldOne +' '+ fieldTwo from TableName You will need to do casting.. if you concatenate fields of different Data-Types. eg(cast fieldTwo as varchar(10)+...) Joe Eugene ---Original Message--- From: "Dowdell, Jason G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 03/06/03 03:03 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Concatenate columns in SQL Server > > Hi Guys, Just can't seem to remember how to concatenate columns in sqlserver. I thought it was double pipes, "||" then I thought it was a plus sign "+". Just can't seem to stick these query columns together. Thanks, jason ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
>You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture >shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, >the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, >or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. > >Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to >create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with >the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low >cost. How has this really changed though?? CF is *still* the fastest way to get web apps out the door. >What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They >are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds >the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. I don't agree with this. I don't hear MM replacing one statement with another. Rather, the RIA initiative is an *additional* statement. >In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a >common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times >longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon >that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic >contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling >points. If a prerequisite to all software development was the ability to produce said software with one developer, we would probably be in a sad state of affairs at the moment. That being said, you *can* still produce CF web apps with one developer. But if you would like to tackle larger, more complex projects such as RIAs, your associated development time and costs will have to change accordingly. If that wasn't the case, we'd all be building Amazon.com for $200. >Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think >Macromedia is getting to bold for its own good. As a web developer, if I >launched MM.com, I would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA >take more time, money and people to produce but now it has to be >'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a reasonable speed. Furthermore, >I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never >implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only >a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like >Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. I think it's a little too early to label the site a failure. Come on, it's only been 1 day. Like any project, there will be bugs and other issues to iron out. But I'm glad to see MM taking this step and pushing the limits of what's possible on the web. It's only going to make my job easier in the future as they will find and address problems with the development and deployment of RIAs. As for the broadband issue, that is a strategic decision by MM based on, I would guess, massive amounts of data gathered from users of their site. Obviously they felt that the majority of their customer base could handle the requirements of the new website and moved ahead accordingly. >Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming the developer >community to these ideas, MM has thrown boiling water on them. This >backlash is a predictable outcome they should have seen coming. > >Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list of curveballs MM >has thrown its developers. > >To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is very daunting >being that I have only been listening to them since they bought Allaire. "boiling water"..."another bullet in the list of curveballs"...come on...please...it is *just* a website after all ;) chris ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Concatenate columns in SQL Server
> Just can't seem to remember how to concatenate columns > in sqlserver. I thought it was double pipes, "||" then > I thought it was a plus sign "+". Just can't seem to > stick these query columns together. In SQL Server, or more specifically Transact-SQL, the plus sign is the string concatenation operator. However, you have to make sure that both of your columns are strings for this to work, so you may have to use CONVERT or CAST. You may also have issues if one of the columns contains a null. For information like this, I'd strongly recommend that you get a local copy of SQL Server Books Online. You can install it from the SQL Server installation media, I think, or download it from the Microsoft site. It's a Windows Help file chock-full of SQL Server goodness. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Password protection IIS 5 and CFMX
ok, this is what i have done so far. add the user to users/groups. add the user to the directory permissions for the dir i want protected. add the user with read/execute perms to the runtime/lib/wsconfig/1/jrun.dll file. in iis remove anonymous access for the dir i want protected. this is a cfmx server that is sandboxed. I don't have any of these issues on our non-sandboxed servers using directory security through iis. any other ideas? ~~ Stephenie Hamilton Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional CFXHosting -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Password protection IIS 5 and CFMX > So I need to give the user permissions on the jrun.dll? > The user being the user that was created on this server > for access to the password protected directory. Yes. Any user running a CF file will need to have read/execute rights on that DLL. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF and Oracle 9i...
> If you get them from the Oracle site - they are native > drivers. No, that's not necessarily true. Oracle has made ODBC drivers available on their site before. But if I recall correctly, whether you're using ODBC or the native driver interface in CF 5, you'll still need to install the Oracle client on your CF server, which was called Net8 in Oracle 8, I think - I don't know what it's called now. If you've installed the Oracle client, and you have CF 5 Enterprise, you should be able to use the native driver interface in CF 5. But I could certainly be wrong about this - it's been ages since I did anything with Oracle through ODBC. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Sorta OT - Online Video
Are you talking streaming video?? Clips? Would be interested in what you find out. Our server supports Audio and Video streaming, and have been itching to find an excuse to use it! But never really knew what to do with it Mark Stephenson New Media Director Evolution Internet T: 0870 757 1631 F: 0870 757 1632 W: www.evolutioninternet.co.uk E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. -Original Message- From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2003 19:41 To: CF-Talk Subject: Sorta OT - Online Video Does anyone here have a lot of experience with video or know of anyone that specialize's in video. It seems as though we are moving in a direction of doing massive online video applications. Any assistance in pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Concatenate columns in SQL Server
Jason, I use a plus sign - but remember the data types have to match. So I can do: SELECT fname + ' ' + lname AS FullName (both being character), but I cannot do: SELECT lastname + '-' + emp_id AS Employee_id .assuming that emp_id is an INT To make it work I'd have to use "CAST( )" or CONVERT( ) SELECT lastname + '-' + CAST(emp_id AS varchar(10)) AS Employee_id hope this helps you... -Original Message- From: Dowdell, Jason G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Concatenate columns in SQL Server Hi Guys, Just can't seem to remember how to concatenate columns in sqlserver. I thought it was double pipes, "||" then I thought it was a plus sign "+". Just can't seem to stick these query columns together. Thanks, jason ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
Just did this yesterday.
function showImage(img) {
var imgObj = document.images['header'];
imgObj.src = 'file:///' + img;
}
However this doesn't work completetly in NS4 or at all in Mozilla
because I was being lazy and the site was IE only anyway. NS4 because
it doesn't support changing an image _size_ via JS (src it will
change), you would have to use doc.write to write the img tag to a
span/div/ilayer/layer in NS4. It should work in Mozilla, but it wasn't
for me yesterday...because Mozilla has more bugs than MX even lol.
Specifically though, the onchange event wasn't firing in Moz.
--
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thursday, March 6, 2003, 2:25:40 PM, you wrote:
JZ> Hi List!
JZ> I have templates which allow a user to upload an image. I would like to be
JZ> able to let the user preview the image before they commit the form:
JZ> They browse to locate the image file, and after they've said ok to a file,
JZ> the file path info is populated in the "upfile" field in the form (below). I
JZ> was thinking there should be a JS way to display that image right after the
JZ> "upfile" field is populated and before the form is committed.
JZ> I didn't *want* to use another page to do it (select image, submit form, use
JZ> next page to add additional descriptors) but being a js novice...
JZ> Ideas? Ridicule? 8-P
JZ> The form:
JZ> (using cf5)
JZ> enctype="multipart/form-data">
JZ> click browse to enter the filename!
JZ>
JZ>
JZ>
JZ>
JZ> caption: VALUE="enter caption here" onfocus="javascript:this.value='';">
JZ> --snip--
JZ> joe
JZ> --
JZ> Joe Zanter, Materials Lab, Woodward Aircraft Engine Systems
JZ> 5001 North 2nd Street, Rockford IL 61125
JZ> ph 815-639-6312, fx 815-639-5104
JZ> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JZ> Visualize Whirled Peas!
JZ> ***
JZ> The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the
JZ> individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this
JZ> e-mail in error please notify the sender by return e-mail, delete this
JZ> e-mail, and refrain from any disclosure or action based on the information.
JZ>
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RE: CFMX null null errors
That's a possibility. I don't know anything about Jakarta ORO (the internal RE engine), but it might be the culprit. I do simple REreplaces on large strings without problem on a fairly frequent basis, but if you're using an extremely complex RE, that might cause problems. Anyone have a better handle on this possibility? There any way you can narrow the guilty code down to a small piece and post it? barneyb > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:55 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFMX null null errors > > > I'm not using CFFORM at all. I think it may happen when trying to use > rereplace() on a large string. Could this be the culprit? > > Brook > > At 11:39 AM 3/6/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >java.lang.StackOverflowError means that the JVM ran out of room in memory > >for processing more method calls. This shouldn't happen under > normal use; > >it's usually tied to runaway recursive calls, or possibly infinite loops. > >I'd check for either of those cases, perhaps with some code library that > >you're using on all your forms. I successfully submit huge forms (up to > >about 80 fields) to CFMX without any issues, so I suspect its a > problem with > >the CF code being executed, not the CF server. However, it > might be tied to > >using CFFORM for validation, if you're using it. I'm not on my forms, so > >that might be the difference. > > > >HTH, > >barneyb > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:33 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: CFMX null null errors > > > > > > > > > Does any one know when these CFMX null null errors come from? > It looks to > > > me like when a form with lots of fields (30+) gets submitted, > sometimes > > > this happens. > > > > > > The error diagnostics are: > > > > > > null null The error occurred on line -1. > > > Type java.lang.StackOverflowError > > > > > > and sometimes in the browser all you see is "500 Null". > > > > > > Anyone seen this also? > > > > > > Brook Davies > > > logiforms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Concatenate columns in SQL Server
Hi Guys, Just can't seem to remember how to concatenate columns in sqlserver. I thought it was double pipes, "||" then I thought it was a plus sign "+". Just can't seem to stick these query columns together. Thanks, jason ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: The New Macromedia Website
Very well said... Adam. I still do belive.. RIA is just another hype...just like applets, which didnt go anywhere..inpsite of the fact that applet techniques were Non-Proprietary. You might see some flashy marketing type implementations like Nike Golf/now MM.. but i dont think RIA will be of any value to scalable/high traffic(eg ebay,amazon etc) Web Applications. Joe ---Original Message--- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 03/06/03 02:12 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website > > Jaye, You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling points. Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think Macromedia is getting to bold for its own good. As a web developer, if I launched MM.com, I would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA take more time, money and people to produce but now it has to be 'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a reasonable speed. Furthermore, I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming the developer community to these ideas, MM has thrown boiling water on them. This backlash is a predictable outcome they should have seen coming. Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list of curveballs MM has thrown its developers. To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is very daunting being that I have only been listening to them since they bought Allaire. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website Wow. Talk about culture shock. There has been quite a bit said today about the new (beta) version of the layout. I have checked out the site and it was well done. Personally I was impressed with some of the backend action going on. Pretty tight indeed. Try out the "Your account section". I assume they are using remoting on steroids.I am intrigued as hell at the entire gig and the richness of the environment. This is showing a great many possibilities, for all of us. Related to "the site seems slow (etc.)", this is a beta. Code gets tweaked, enhanced etc. All those people on the various soap boxes.. Have you not had to go back and tweak your own code, in order to make it faster and more responsive? Have you yourselves possibly had to work out some unintended glitches and gotcha's? Sometime I like to go back and study my code (and UI) and see how I could do it better. Tony Weeg, who is our lead developer many times will say "hey what about this." and in the end show me different (often better ways of doing something) in the end making me a better programmer. MM staff members are developers to. Instead of having such a strong knee jerk reaction, perhaps we should help them beta test this thing and offer "CONSTRUCTIVE DIRECTION". Even experts can learn new methods. They seem to put themselves out there, listen and where possible, integrate information from our massively strong. In closing I will leave you with this: 1. People have a tough time with change (if for not other reason than they might have to fix their favorites). BTW in psychology this is called a "paradigm shift" (e.g. learning to see things in a new way). 2. Macromedia put their money where their mouth is. Here's a realty check for you. How many times have you been to one of the elite prophets of flash (including the book writers) and there is no flash on their site? (gawd.. Now that is a true contradiction. Highly encourage something and then not use it or demo
RE: CFMX null null errors
I'm not using CFFORM at all. I think it may happen when trying to use rereplace() on a large string. Could this be the culprit? Brook At 11:39 AM 3/6/2003 -0800, you wrote: >java.lang.StackOverflowError means that the JVM ran out of room in memory >for processing more method calls. This shouldn't happen under normal use; >it's usually tied to runaway recursive calls, or possibly infinite loops. >I'd check for either of those cases, perhaps with some code library that >you're using on all your forms. I successfully submit huge forms (up to >about 80 fields) to CFMX without any issues, so I suspect its a problem with >the CF code being executed, not the CF server. However, it might be tied to >using CFFORM for validation, if you're using it. I'm not on my forms, so >that might be the difference. > >HTH, >barneyb > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:33 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: CFMX null null errors > > > > > > Does any one know when these CFMX null null errors come from? It looks to > > me like when a form with lots of fields (30+) gets submitted, sometimes > > this happens. > > > > The error diagnostics are: > > > > null null The error occurred on line -1. > > Type java.lang.StackOverflowError > > > > and sometimes in the browser all you see is "500 Null". > > > > Anyone seen this also? > > > > Brook Davies > > logiforms.com > > > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
in theory - i would just refresh the dynamic page with the image displaying. Since the page is dynamic - you don't have to locate and delete a page. Add a proceed or no thanks. No thanks would pass through a simple delete file then say - thanks for trying or thanks for visiting us note. Proceed can pass through a sql command and insert the image name and file path or whatever is necessary into the database. My first thought was a temporrary table - then you have to deal with purging that - so just upload the file - reference it - and they can proceed or not after that. just a quick thought as to how I may attempt it. hth Joe Zanter wrote: >Hi List! > >I have templates which allow a user to upload an image. I would like to be >able to let the user preview the image before they commit the form: >They browse to locate the image file, and after they've said ok to a file, >the file path info is populated in the "upfile" field in the form (below). I >was thinking there should be a JS way to display that image right after the >"upfile" field is populated and before the form is committed. > >I didn't *want* to use another page to do it (select image, submit form, use >next page to add additional descriptors) but being a js novice... > >Ideas? Ridicule? 8-P > >The form: >(using cf5) >enctype="multipart/form-data"> >click browse to enter the filename! > > > > >caption: VALUE="enter caption here" onfocus="javascript:this.value='';"> >--snip-- > >joe >-- >Joe Zanter, Materials Lab, Woodward Aircraft Engine Systems >5001 North 2nd Street, Rockford IL 61125 >ph 815-639-6312, fx 815-639-5104 >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Visualize Whirled Peas! > > >*** >The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the >individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this >e-mail in error please notify the sender by return e-mail, delete this >e-mail, and refrain from any disclosure or action based on the information. > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
function preview(thisImg,thisObj){
thisImg.src="file:\/\/"+thisObj.value;
}
This works in IE at least, didn't test in anything else.
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Subject: image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
Hi List!
I have templates which allow a user to upload an image. I would like to
be able to let the user preview the image before they commit the form:
They browse to locate the image file, and after they've said ok to a
file, the file path info is populated in the "upfile" field in the form
(below). I was thinking there should be a JS way to display that image
right after the "upfile" field is populated and before the form is
committed.
I didn't *want* to use another page to do it (select image, submit form,
use next page to add additional descriptors) but being a js novice...
Ideas? Ridicule? 8-P
The form:
(using cf5)
click browse to
enter the filename!
caption:
--snip--
joe
--
Joe Zanter, Materials Lab, Woodward Aircraft Engine Systems
5001 North 2nd Street, Rockford IL 61125
ph 815-639-6312, fx 815-639-5104
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Visualize Whirled Peas!
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Sorta OT - Online Video
Does anyone here have a lot of experience with video or know of anyone that specialize's in video. It seems as though we are moving in a direction of doing massive online video applications. Any assistance in pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX null null errors
java.lang.StackOverflowError means that the JVM ran out of room in memory for processing more method calls. This shouldn't happen under normal use; it's usually tied to runaway recursive calls, or possibly infinite loops. I'd check for either of those cases, perhaps with some code library that you're using on all your forms. I successfully submit huge forms (up to about 80 fields) to CFMX without any issues, so I suspect its a problem with the CF code being executed, not the CF server. However, it might be tied to using CFFORM for validation, if you're using it. I'm not on my forms, so that might be the difference. HTH, barneyb > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:33 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CFMX null null errors > > > Does any one know when these CFMX null null errors come from? It looks to > me like when a form with lots of fields (30+) gets submitted, sometimes > this happens. > > The error diagnostics are: > > null null The error occurred on line -1. > Type java.lang.StackOverflowError > > and sometimes in the browser all you see is "500 Null". > > Anyone seen this also? > > Brook Davies > logiforms.com > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
address validation software/systems
Hello all Has anyone ever implemented any address verification and standardization systems in ColdFusion sites? If so, what software did you use? I cannot implement the USPS API tools because we do not ship many of our orders with USPS. I've looked at QAS QuickAddress systems but i am having a problem implementing their COM object. (it requires and returns complex data types such as arrays and i have not been able to get that work with CF) Any suggestions and experiences with other products/services will be much appreciated! Thank you. Andres ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX null null errors
Does any one know when these CFMX null null errors come from? It looks to me like when a form with lots of fields (30+) gets submitted, sometimes this happens. The error diagnostics are: null null The error occurred on line -1. Type java.lang.StackOverflowError and sometimes in the browser all you see is "500 Null". Anyone seen this also? Brook Davies logiforms.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
image upload via cffile: preview prior to submit?
Hi List! I have templates which allow a user to upload an image. I would like to be able to let the user preview the image before they commit the form: They browse to locate the image file, and after they've said ok to a file, the file path info is populated in the "upfile" field in the form (below). I was thinking there should be a JS way to display that image right after the "upfile" field is populated and before the form is committed. I didn't *want* to use another page to do it (select image, submit form, use next page to add additional descriptors) but being a js novice... Ideas? Ridicule? 8-P The form: (using cf5) click browse to enter the filename! caption: --snip-- joe -- Joe Zanter, Materials Lab, Woodward Aircraft Engine Systems 5001 North 2nd Street, Rockford IL 61125 ph 815-639-6312, fx 815-639-5104 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visualize Whirled Peas! *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender by return e-mail, delete this e-mail, and refrain from any disclosure or action based on the information. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: 2 Selects Related
lol jeesh, sorry about that - Original Message - From: "Ewok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: 2 Selects Related > I use this tag quite often and eventually had to make some slight > modifications to it, but it works the same way with or without the new > attributes > > originally, you could only have one query column as the display of the > select option > Display2 = "column" > > > i use it alot for clients>users > where clients can have many users and need to have firstname lastname as the > display for the second select so now you can use > Display2 = "column1,column2" or as many as you like > > its all commented in the tag so you can see rather or not its of any use to > you > > > - Original Message - > From: "Luce, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:58 AM > Subject: 2 Selects Related > > > > Does someone have a copy of the 2 Selects Related Custom Tag? I finally > > found it on the new MM site after having to install another Flash player > and > > reboot and the download page is broken! Anyone like the new MM site? > > ***Sterling Financial Investment Group, Inc. (SFIG) is a member > > ofNASD/MSRB/NFA/SIPC. Email transmissions may be monitored. SFIG > > cannotaccept orders to buy or sell via email. Please visit > > www.mysterling.com formore information.*** > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: The New Macromedia Website
Jaye, You made some great points, but I'd like to elaborate on the culture shock. This isn't culture shock for new technology, as web developers, the only technology that can give us culture shock, is _old_ technology, or the lack of change. The shock is the complete turn of stance by MM. Macromedia has marketed Cold Fusion as the fastest and easiest way to create dynamic web based applications. That's been the core of CF with the philosophy of getting applications out the door fast, at a very low cost. What's happens now, is that MM is saying the _complete_ opposite. They are contradicting everything they have said, which quite frankly breeds the mistrust I see popping up rapidly in the last few months. In my research an RIA as defined by MM will cost 3-4 times more than a common cold fusion application. Additionally it will take 2-3 times longer in development. I believe it was Kevin Towes who said at devCon that a successful RIA needs a team of at least 12 people, a drastic contrast to the lone CF developer ideology MM has endorsed in selling points. Now, I totally agree that RIAs are the next generation. However, I think Macromedia is getting to bold for its own good. As a web developer, if I launched MM.com, I would feel it was a failure. Not only does this RIA take more time, money and people to produce but now it has to be 'tweaked' just to get it to perform at a reasonable speed. Furthermore, I think MM is still jumping the gun with broadband. I could never implement something like this because I serve a worldwide audience. Only a small percentage of people in the US have broadband, in countries like Africa and Asia, the word broadband doesn't even exist. Fact of the matter is that instead of slowly warming the developer community to these ideas, MM has thrown boiling water on them. This backlash is a predictable outcome they should have seen coming. Unfortunately this is just another bullet in the list of curveballs MM has thrown its developers. To be honest. I don't trust MM at all anymore, which is very daunting being that I have only been listening to them since they bought Allaire. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website Wow. Talk about culture shock. There has been quite a bit said today about the new (beta) version of the layout. I have checked out the site and it was well done. Personally I was impressed with some of the backend action going on. Pretty tight indeed. Try out the "Your account section". I assume they are using remoting on steroids.I am intrigued as hell at the entire gig and the richness of the environment. This is showing a great many possibilities, for all of us. Related to "the site seems slow (etc.)", this is a beta. Code gets tweaked, enhanced etc. All those people on the various soap boxes.. Have you not had to go back and tweak your own code, in order to make it faster and more responsive? Have you yourselves possibly had to work out some unintended glitches and gotcha's? Sometime I like to go back and study my code (and UI) and see how I could do it better. Tony Weeg, who is our lead developer many times will say "hey what about this." and in the end show me different (often better ways of doing something) in the end making me a better programmer. MM staff members are developers to. Instead of having such a strong knee jerk reaction, perhaps we should help them beta test this thing and offer "CONSTRUCTIVE DIRECTION". Even experts can learn new methods. They seem to put themselves out there, listen and where possible, integrate information from our massively strong. In closing I will leave you with this: 1. People have a tough time with change (if for not other reason than they might have to fix their favorites). BTW in psychology this is called a "paradigm shift" (e.g. learning to see things in a new way). 2. Macromedia put their money where their mouth is. Here's a realty check for you. How many times have you been to one of the elite prophets of flash (including the book writers) and there is no flash on their site? (gawd.. Now that is a true contradiction. Highly encourage something and then not use it or demonstrate it yourself (in terms of practical application use). What does that tell our client when we are out there promoting RIA? 3. CFMX and FlashMX (combined with remoting) can carry this process to the next level. I encourage myself and you to be there (and I am sure you will). Peace, Love and Soul Train!! Good coding, my friends. -//- Jaye Morris - Multimedia Developer -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.navtrak.net -//- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.jayezero.com ~~~
RE: CF and Oracle 9i...
"Native drivers," unless I am way off base, are the SQL*Net drivers. If you have the SQL*Net client installed on a machine, and install CF, SQL*Net is what it's looking for. ODBC is a different way of connecting to databases, but since CF provides the ability to use "native" drivers (drivers from Oracle, in other words), and native drivers are better, then install the Oracle client on the CF server machine. You can find the Oracle 9i client download available from otn.oracle.com (under downloads, I think). - Original Message - From: "cftalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... | Are ODBC drivers the same as native? | - Original Message - | From: "samcfug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:23 AM | Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... | | | > At the oracle site they have ODBC drivers available for download. The | drivers | > are specific for the version of the database you are using. | > | > Look for "ODBC drivers" | > | > = | > Douglas White | > group Manager | > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > http://www.samcfug.org | > = | > - Original Message - | > From: "cftalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:59 AM | > Subject: CF and Oracle 9i... | > | > | > | Our DBA is clueless and I am needing some information from you smart, | > wonderful people. We are using ODBC drivers for oracle with CF 5 | Enterprise. | > Our DBA doesn't know where native drivers are for Oracle 9i. I am | currently on | > the Oracle site and do not see the words native drivers either. Would | they be | > the JDBC drivers? | > | | > | Thanks to all, | > | | > | Brian Yager | > | President - North Alabama | > | Cold Fusion Users Group | > | http://www.nacfug.com | > | Ground-Based Midcourse Defense JPO | > | Contractor CSC | > | (256)313-9668 | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | | > | | > | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF and Oracle 9i...
no...Native drivers are 'built in' so to speak and IIRC work with the Oracle API to do your DB stuff. ODBC drivers use the term ODBC, look it up on whatis.com, hence their name. They are an added layer between your program and the DB. FWIW, some use and swear by the M$ ODBC drivers for ORacle which are part of the MDAC package IIRC. Doug >-Original Message- >From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:59 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... > > >If you get them from the Oracle site - they are native drivers. > >= >Douglas White >group Manager >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.samcfug.org >= >- Original Message - >From: "cftalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:27 AM >Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... > > >| Are ODBC drivers the same as native? >| - Original Message - >| From: "samcfug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:23 AM >| Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... >| >| >| > At the oracle site they have ODBC drivers available for >download. The >| drivers >| > are specific for the version of the database you are using. >| > >| > Look for "ODBC drivers" >| > >| > = >| > Douglas White >| > group Manager >| > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > http://www.samcfug.org >| > = >| > - Original Message - >| > From: "cftalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >| > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:59 AM >| > Subject: CF and Oracle 9i... >| > >| > >| > | Our DBA is clueless and I am needing some information >from you smart, >| > wonderful people. We are using ODBC drivers for oracle with CF 5 >| Enterprise. >| > Our DBA doesn't know where native drivers are for Oracle 9i. I am >| currently on >| > the Oracle site and do not see the words native drivers >either. Would >| they be >| > the JDBC drivers? >| > | >| > | Thanks to all, >| > | >| > | Brian Yager >| > | President - North Alabama >| > | Cold Fusion Users Group >| > | http://www.nacfug.com >| > | Ground-Based Midcourse Defense JPO >| > | Contractor CSC >| > | (256)313-9668 >| > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| > | >| > | >| > >| > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF and Oracle 9i...
If you get them from the Oracle site - they are native drivers. = Douglas White group Manager mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samcfug.org = - Original Message - From: "cftalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... | Are ODBC drivers the same as native? | - Original Message - | From: "samcfug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:23 AM | Subject: Re: CF and Oracle 9i... | | | > At the oracle site they have ODBC drivers available for download. The | drivers | > are specific for the version of the database you are using. | > | > Look for "ODBC drivers" | > | > = | > Douglas White | > group Manager | > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > http://www.samcfug.org | > = | > - Original Message - | > From: "cftalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:59 AM | > Subject: CF and Oracle 9i... | > | > | > | Our DBA is clueless and I am needing some information from you smart, | > wonderful people. We are using ODBC drivers for oracle with CF 5 | Enterprise. | > Our DBA doesn't know where native drivers are for Oracle 9i. I am | currently on | > the Oracle site and do not see the words native drivers either. Would | they be | > the JDBC drivers? | > | | > | Thanks to all, | > | | > | Brian Yager | > | President - North Alabama | > | Cold Fusion Users Group | > | http://www.nacfug.com | > | Ground-Based Midcourse Defense JPO | > | Contractor CSC | > | (256)313-9668 | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | | > | | > | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: 2 Selects Related
The attachment was stripped from the message. I just emailed it to you off-line Greg. - Original Message - From: "Bruce Sorge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: 2 Selects Related > - Original Message - > From: "Luce, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:58 AM > Subject: 2 Selects Related > > > > Does someone have a copy of the 2 Selects Related Custom Tag? I finally > > found it on the new MM site after having to install another Flash player > and > > reboot and the download page is broken! Anyone like the new MM site? > > ***Sterling Financial Investment Group, Inc. (SFIG) is a member > > ofNASD/MSRB/NFA/SIPC. Email transmissions may be monitored. SFIG > > cannotaccept orders to buy or sell via email. Please visit > > www.mysterling.com formore information.*** > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: 2 Selects Related
- Original Message - From: "Luce, Greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: 2 Selects Related > Does someone have a copy of the 2 Selects Related Custom Tag? I finally > found it on the new MM site after having to install another Flash player and > reboot and the download page is broken! Anyone like the new MM site? > ***Sterling Financial Investment Group, Inc. (SFIG) is a member > ofNASD/MSRB/NFA/SIPC. Email transmissions may be monitored. SFIG > cannotaccept orders to buy or sell via email. Please visit > www.mysterling.com formore information.*** > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Client variable performance question
One read from the db for one or more client vars (look in your database, the cdata table - you'll see all client variables for one user are all stored in one row of the database. The database doesn't know they're a bunch of variables, it just knows there's stuff in that row). It should be the same for the write at the end of the http request - if any client vars have changed CF writes all client vars for that user (that one row in the db). Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: "Lofback, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:08:23 -0500 >Thanks, that's god news! So there is one read from the DB at the start of the >http request, whether or not any of the client vars are read by the app? But I >assume each write require a roundtrip? > >Thanks again, >Chris Lofback > >> -Original Message- >> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:00 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: Client variable performance question >> >> >> I don't think that will help. The client vars are all held in >> one row in the database - CF gets the entire row whether you >> want one, many or all client vars. >> >> CF makes one call to the db for all client vars used in the >> current http request, holds the client vars in memory until >> the end of the request, and then writes the client vars to the db. >> >> I wouldn't worry about optimizing calls to client vars, just >> use them. I don't think moving them into the request scope >> helps anything. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Lofback, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:20:57 -0500 >> >> >We are converting a session-variable-heavy app to using >> client variables in a clustered environment using CF5 and a >> native driver connection to an Oracle DB. To reduce calls to >> the DB, I was hoping to just make one call to get all the >> client variables and then copy them into the request scope, >> but I have hit a snag. I was planning to use this: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >But the app under consideration may have hundreds of client >> variables, and I think this code will require a round trip to >> the DB for each iteration of the loop... >> > >> >What is the best way to copy the entire client scope into >> the request scope? Can I just select the data from CDATA >> myself and parse it or is there a hidden danger with that? >> Is there a better way to handle this? >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Chris >> > >> > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Query of Query or Verity 2k?, Witch one do you advise?
To me it would depend on the size of data. If I had a few hundred products max and the desc fields weren't huge, I'd do QoQ simply because I'd be done in a few minutes, and never have to worry about Verity headaches. Remember that in CF5 though, QoQ is case sensitive. The workaround is to lcase/ucase the column in the original query, and if you are using that column already to display text to the end user, you will want to create a field just for the search function. select *, productDescription AS search_productDescription from products. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, March 6, 2003, 1:34:39 PM, you wrote: LCCC> Suppose i have a productDescription column in my products table, and i want to search for a string. LCCC> Witch one do you advise? LCCC> 1) Query of query LCCC> - do a master query (select * from products) and cache it. LCCC> - do a query of query (select * from masterquery where productDescription like '%#Criteria#%') LCCC> or LCCC> 2) Use verity 2k LCCC> - create a recordset LCCC> - create a collection based on this record set (cfindex) LCCC> - use cfsearch to search that collection. LCCC> Thank you for your opinions. LCCC> Leonardo Crespo LCCC> icq: 198810 LCCC> [EMAIL PROTECTED] LCCC> ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
