date:20070207

Just a tiny hint is this...

http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Comparing-Component-speed-on-different-CFML-engines

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 Interesting, surely you should get Adobe to change ColdFusion to be as fast
 as Railo (though I haven't seen or used Railo so I would have take your work
 that it is faster!)




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 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Wed Feb 07 07:42:18 2007
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Hi Neil,

 i can easily post why this is:

 Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support 
 the following.

 1: cfset a = structNew()
 2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John
 3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error

 since a does not contain a key named sub. It just contains a key named 
 sub.subkey. And all the texts in CFFM are defined like this. So I had 
 to write a function for converting the keys into real structs.
 In fact in the above code in line 2 the statement does not insert a key 
 named sub in the struct a and in the key sub a subkey named 
 subkey. The struct really contains a struct with one single key named 
 sub.subkey. You can easily check this by dumping it out in CFMX.

 In order for our blog to work I adapted CFFM for Raymond Camden's blog 
 as well, which did not work out of the box as well since it contained 
 some syntax errors which Railo mentions and MX ignores.

 Now for the reason why Railo does not support this: performance.
 The checking for subkeys in a struct has to be done at every single 
 access to a struct variable. This slows down performance. Maybe this is 
 one of the reasons why structs are many times faster in Railo than in CFMX.

 Greetings / Grüsse
 Gert Franz
 Customer Care
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 Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
   
 for CFFM because CFFM out of the box doesn't work with Railo.

 Who's fault is that? Does CFFM work on ColdFusion and BD with no changes?
 Surely if it is CFML then it should be Adobe based CFML as the benchmark,
 guide.

 N






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 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Wed Feb 07 04:03:21 2007
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 On 2/6/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for hosting on
 anything
 other than the official product, I only stand to loose stuff and gain
 nothing.
 
   
 I recommend Bluedragon hosting for some of my clients who get VPS accounts
 at VivioTech, but only because BlueDragon 6.2 is almost completely
 compatible with CFMX 6.1 - and most of the stuff I write for the open
 
 source
   
 world, I try to make compatible with Bluedragon - and it's not that
 difficult.

 As for Railo... I've never worked with it, but I know that Gert has sent
 
 me
   
 changes for CFFM because CFFM out of the box doesn't work

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo performs
on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors not
accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch of
salt and are not scientific.

For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt anyone runs a production site on their
MacBook!






 


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To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:06:43 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just a tiny hint is this...

http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Comparing-Component-spee
d-on-different-CFML-engines

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Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
 Interesting, surely you should get Adobe to change ColdFusion to be as
fast
 as Railo (though I haven't seen or used Railo so I would have take your
work
 that it is faster!)




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 -Original Message-
 From: Gert Franz
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Wed Feb 07 07:42:18 2007
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Hi Neil,

 i can easily post why this is:

 Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support 
 the following.

 1: cfset a = structNew()
 2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John
 3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error

 since a does not contain a key named sub. It just contains a key named 
 sub.subkey. And all the texts in CFFM are defined like this. So I had 
 to write a function for converting the keys into real structs.
 In fact in the above code in line 2 the statement does not insert a key 
 named sub in the struct a and in the key sub a subkey named 
 subkey. The struct really contains a struct with one single key named 
 sub.subkey. You can easily check this by dumping it out in CFMX.

 In order for our blog to work I adapted CFFM for Raymond Camden's blog 
 as well, which did not work out of the box as well since it contained 
 some syntax errors which Railo mentions and MX ignores.

 Now for the reason why Railo does not support this: performance.
 The checking for subkeys in a struct has to be done at every single 
 access to a struct variable. This slows down performance. Maybe this is 
 one of the reasons why structs are many times faster in Railo than in
CFMX.

 Greetings / Grüsse
 Gert Franz
 Customer Care
 Railo Technologies GmbH
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
   
 for CFFM because CFFM out of the box doesn't work with Railo.

 Who's fault is that? Does CFFM work on ColdFusion and BD with no changes?
 Surely if it is CFML then it should be Adobe based CFML as the benchmark,
 guide.

 N






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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Hi Dale,

here my comments to your concerns:

1. security
Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or
security holes. Nor do we claim to be more secure than other engines in
this terms. But just give me your thoughts about these matters:
How do you prevent users from different webs in one instance of:
- accessing other datasources (without having different db-users etc)
- accessing all mappings
- accessing all customtags
- accessing all cfx-tags
- allowing some webs to access the file system and others not
- allowing some users to use java objects and others not
this is the type of security i addressed.

2. performance
I agree on that. I just compared Railo to the existing engines. And we
will look for ways of improving performance if MX8 is faster than Railo 1.1

3. pricing
I do not know what pricing you relate. Since the enterprise version is
much cheaper than the ones of BD and MX. For those who just need the
professional version it is the same. And there in addition is the free
community version.
And yes, we can argue about the features. In fact i see it the other way
round. But in addition I have to say that, since I am from Railo :-)

Gert

Dale Fraser wrote:
1. Security
Says Who? Once you have a decent sized user base with people testing for
security weaknesses, I really don't see how you can claim this. Just because
you and your limited user base hasn't found security holes doesn't mean they
don't exist. I also bet that almost every CFer in here will say that
Coldfusion is very secure, I've never had any issues.

2. Performance
What's that saying on stats, CF8 is supposed to be much faster again so lets
do a comparison in a few months.

3. Pricing
Seriously, I looked at the pricing, it aint all that great, just like BD's
if it was significantly less expensive you might have a case, but it's
marginally less expensive with less features.

Regards
Dale Fraser

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the 
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition 
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can 
not publish such a test as well since an independent company is objective.

I would encourage such a test, but I won't do it myself. My quote about 
performance is just something our customers and as well we seem to see.


Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
 Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo performs
 on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors not
 accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch of
 salt and are not scientific.

 For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt anyone runs a production site on their
 MacBook!
   

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then
there would be just as much basis in that - this is my point.  I am not
putting Railo down in any way, I will never use it, but to say it is faster
just on observation is just wrong unless backed up by proper tests and
metrics.






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-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:58:45 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the 
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition 
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can 
not publish such a test as well since an independent company is objective.

I would encourage such a test, but I won't do it myself. My quote about 
performance is just something our customers and as well we seem to see.


Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
 Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo
performs
 on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors
not
 accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch
of
 salt and are not scientific.

 For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt anyone runs a production site on
their
 MacBook!
   



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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dale Fraser

Hey gert,

All those items you list are only relevant to hosting providers, most users
don't do this, a very small percentage. I use it in a corporate environment
on our production servers for our use, so not only do I have any experience
with those items, I have no interest.

I was however impressed with the compatibility list, seems very complete for
version 1.1. The way I read it you support cfc's cfdocument and almost
everything other that the listed exception, a very good start.

One battle you will have is convincing people to spend any money with a
company and product that is almost unheard of, I have no such issues
convincing businesses to spend 10k on Adobe products however.

Regards
Dale Fraser
 

-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Hi Dale,

here my comments to your concerns:

1. security
Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or 
security holes. Nor do we claim to be more secure than other engines in 
this terms. But just give me your thoughts about these matters:
How do you prevent users from different webs in one instance of:
- accessing other datasources (without having different db-users etc)
- accessing all mappings
- accessing all customtags
- accessing all cfx-tags
- allowing some webs to access the file system and others not
- allowing some users to use java objects and others not
this is the type of security i addressed.

2. performance
I agree on that. I just compared Railo to the existing engines. And we 
will look for ways of improving performance if MX8 is faster than Railo 1.1

3. pricing
I do not know what pricing you relate. Since the enterprise version is 
much cheaper than the ones of BD and MX. For those who just need the 
professional version it is the same. And there in addition is the free 
community version.
And yes, we can argue about the features. In fact i see it the other way 
round. But in addition I have to say that, since I am from Railo :-)

Gert

Dale Fraser wrote:
 1. Security
 Says Who? Once you have a decent sized user base with people testing for
 security weaknesses, I really don't see how you can claim this. Just
because
 you and your limited user base hasn't found security holes doesn't mean
they
 don't exist. I also bet that almost every CFer in here will say that
 Coldfusion is very secure, I've never had any issues.

 2. Performance
 What's that saying on stats, CF8 is supposed to be much faster again so
lets
 do a comparison in a few months.

 3. Pricing
 Seriously, I looked at the pricing, it aint all that great, just like BD's
 if it was significantly less expensive you might have a case, but it's
 marginally less expensive with less features.

 Regards
 Dale Fraser
  

   



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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Well Dale, the question was about hosting :-)

Railo will make it's way. I'm sure, but it will take time...

Gert

Dale Fraser schrieb:
Hey gert,

All those items you list are only relevant to hosting providers, most users
don't do this, a very small percentage. I use it in a corporate environment
on our production servers for our use, so not only do I have any experience
with those items, I have no interest.

I was however impressed with the compatibility list, seems very complete for
version 1.1. The way I read it you support cfc's cfdocument and almost
everything other that the listed exception, a very good start.

One battle you will have is convincing people to spend any money with a
company and product that is almost unheard of, I have no such issues
convincing businesses to spend 10k on Adobe products however.

Regards
Dale Fraser

-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Hi Dale,

here my comments to your concerns:

2. performance
I agree on that. I just compared Railo to the existing engines. And we
will look for ways of improving performance if MX8 is faster than Railo 1.1

Gert

Dale Fraser wrote:

1. Security
Says Who? Once you have a decent sized user base with people testing for
security weaknesses, I really don't see how you can claim this. Just

because

you and your limited user base hasn't found security holes doesn't mean

they

don't exist. I also bet that almost every CFer in here will say that
Coldfusion is very secure, I've never had any issues.

2. Performance
What's that saying on stats, CF8 is supposed to be much faster again so

lets

do a comparison in a few months.

Regards
Dale Fraser

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

I hope somewhen you will revert the statement I will never use it :-)

Why don't you observe it yoursef?

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then
there would be just as much basis in that - this is my point. I am not
putting Railo down in any way, I will never use it, but to say it is faster
just on observation is just wrong unless backed up by proper tests and
metrics.

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-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:58:45 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can
not publish such a test as well since an independent company is objective.

I would encourage such a test, but I won't do it myself. My quote about
performance is just something our customers and as well we seem to see.

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:

Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo

performs

on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors

not

accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch

salt and are not scientific.

For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt anyone runs a production site on

their

MacBook!

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Lol, mainly due the fact that as a company we would never move from
ColdFusion (too much corporate issues). We looked at BD.NET when we thought
we would use more .NET stuff but in the end, there was no need to move and
far too much risk.







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-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 09:18:35 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

I hope somewhen you will revert the statement I will never use it :-)

Why don't you observe it yoursef?

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
 Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then
 there would be just as much basis in that - this is my point.  I am not
 putting Railo down in any way, I will never use it, but to say it is
faster
 just on observation is just wrong unless backed up by proper tests and
 metrics.






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 -Original Message-
 From: Gert Franz
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:58:45 2007
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the 
 comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition 
 they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can 
 not publish such a test as well since an independent company is objective.

 I would encourage such a test, but I won't do it myself. My quote about 
 performance is just something our customers and as well we seem to see.


 Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb:
   
 Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo
 
 performs
   
 on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors
 
 not
   
 accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch
 
 of
   
 salt and are not scientific.

 For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt anyone runs a production site on
 
 their
   
 MacBook!
   
 



 



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Re: FLEX Questions

2007-02-07 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Tuesday 06 Feb 2007, Bruce Sorge wrote:
3. Is there a special IDE that is involved for programming in Flex?

Nope, you don't need one.
The command line compiler and debuggers are free and Java based, and there are
MXML and ActionScript plugins for Eclipse, all for free.

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Gert Franz said:

I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no
reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1.
And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for:
- security

I don't care about security as long as my part in the whole picture is
far from the weakest link. And realistically, every CFML runtime is
far from the weakest link: users are.

- performance

I don't care. I really don't. No CFML runtime is magically going to
make a database faster. No CFML runtime is magically going to make a
remote webservice faster. And those are the types of resources I have
performance issues with.

- price

Not an issue in the market segment I work most of the time.

But that is not to say that Railo doesn't have good stuff. The one
thing that really stands out is the concept of a site that
immediately is a security container for file access. Perfect for
shared hosting. I love it. I have even asked Macromedia to copy it.
But is simply not relevant in my current work.

I think that once Railo 1.1 is out I will put it in the buildfarm
again so our applications run automatic regression tests against it. I
like having applications that work on more then one runtime so if it
is feasible, I will keep an eye open for portability issues. But
realistically, I think that it will be years before anything we work
with will be deployed on Railo even if we officially support it.

Jochem

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Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project

2007-02-07 Thread Mingo Hagen

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
 But the fact is, if you wanted free ColdFusion, you would expect same
 functionality and performance as ColdFusion proper, which Smith cannot
 offer?
   

Speed... it can offer:

This code executed on both CFMX7 and Smith 1.25 results in Smith being 
on average 5 times as fast.

code:

cfset start = getTickCount()
cfset var1 = structNew()
cfloop from=1 to=1 index=var2
  cfset var1[_#var2#] = randRange(1,var2)
/cfloop
var1[_#var2#] = cfoutput#int( getTickCount() - start )#br //cfoutput


cfset start = getTickCount()
cfset var1 = structNew()
cfloop from=1 to=1 index=var2
  cfset var1._#var2# = randRange(1,var2)
/cfloop
var1._#var2# = cfoutput#int( getTickCount() - start )#br //cfoutput


cfset start = getTickCount()
cfset var1 = structNew()
cfloop from=1 to=1 index=var2
  cfset structInsert( var1, _#var2#, randRange(1,var2))
/cfloop
structInsert( var1, _#var2#, randRange(1,var2)) = cfoutput#int( 
getTickCount() - start )#br //cfoutput



Mingo.


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nvarchar and cfqueryparam

2007-02-07 Thread Richard Cooper

Hi,

If I was normally adding to a nvarchar field I would use code similar to:

N'#trim(ARGUMENTS.myField)#',

If I wanted to use cfqueryparam tag, how would I re-write this?

Thanks,

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Re: nvarchar and cfqueryparam

2007-02-07 Thread Paul Hastings

Richard Cooper wrote:
 N'#trim(ARGUMENTS.myField)#',
 
 If I wanted to use cfqueryparam tag, how would I re-write this?

first turn on unicode for that DSN (advanced menu, Enable Unicode for data 
sources configured for non-Latin characters). then maybe something like

cfqueryparam cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR value=#trim(ARGUMENTS.myField)#

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Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project

2007-02-07 Thread Mark Drew

I hear you Jochem

MD

On 6 Feb 2007, at 08:53, Jochem van Dieten wrote:

 All I read is words like expect, need, want and free. Those
 words are not the words that will convince the code owners to  
 opensource
 Smith. If nobody is going to write about offer help, invest time,
 employ maintainers or sponsor features I think this thread is  
 pretty
 pointless.

 So who of you that want Smith intend to do something for it?

 Jochem

 

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JVM / JRE update

2007-02-07 Thread Gareth Hughes

I need to update a customers windows 2003 server to 1.4.2_11 JVM (currently 
1.4.2_05 / CF 7.01). I have noticed the server has the v5 JRE installed 
separately in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06.

Assuming that I install only the development tools and NOT the public JRE 
does anyone know of any reason why this could cause problems for whatever 
might be using the v5 JRE? I'm thinking along the lines of the install 
adjusting system variables for example. My guess it is should be fine but 
I'd appreciate other's opinions before I go ahead.

Thanks

Gareth 


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Re: JVM / JRE update

Is it wise, recommended, or supported, to mess with the JVM that CF uses?
I've never felt the urge to upgrade the JRE in Coldfusion

On 2/7/07, Gareth Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need to update a customers windows 2003 server to 1.4.2_11 JVM
 (currently
 1.4.2_05 / CF 7.01). I have noticed the server has the v5 JRE installed
 separately in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06.

 Assuming that I install only the development tools and NOT the public JRE
 does anyone know of any reason why this could cause problems for whatever
 might be using the v5 JRE? I'm thinking along the lines of the install
 adjusting system variables for example. My guess it is should be fine but
 I'd appreciate other's opinions before I go ahead.

 Thanks

 Gareth


 

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Neil,

 i can easily post why this is:

 Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support
 the following.

 1: cfset a = structNew()
 2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John
 3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error



(For the record, that code wasn't written by me, it was in a really old
version of a resource bundle cfc I used... nonetheless, the code works fine
in Bluedragon and CFMX with no changes)

rick

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...


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Re: JVM / JRE update

2007-02-07 Thread Paul Hastings

Rick Root wrote:
 Is it wise, recommended, or supported, to mess with the JVM that CF uses?
 I've never felt the urge to upgrade the JRE in Coldfusion

you *have* to in order to handle the DST changes coming your way. it's 
supported 
btw.

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

That indeed was and is true. But since changes could be easily be made, 
I don't agree to change the behaviour of Railo in order to support this 
syntax and loose performance in exchange.

Gert

Rick Root schrieb:
 On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Hi Neil,

 i can easily post why this is:

 Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support
 the following.

 1: cfset a = structNew()
 2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John
 3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error
 



 (For the record, that code wasn't written by me, it was in a really old
 version of a resource bundle cfc I used... nonetheless, the code works fine
 in Bluedragon and CFMX with no changes)

 rick

   
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 Visit http://www.opensourcecf.com today!
 


 

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

why? what's the difference between open source and free?


Rick Root schrieb:
 For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
 interesting...


 

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Re: JVM / JRE update

2007-02-07 Thread AJ Mercer

we have cfmx 702 ent running over a newer JVM (-07 or _11)

As I understand it, each application has it's own java_home so they should
all be able to co-exist

When messing around with the java settings, it is wise to back up the xml
config files (can't recall which ones)
So you can swap them back in if CF doesn't start up again



On 2/7/07, Gareth Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need to update a customers windows 2003 server to 1.4.2_11 JVM
 (currently
 1.4.2_05 / CF 7.01). I have noticed the server has the v5 JRE installed
 separately in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06.

 Assuming that I install only the development tools and NOT the public JRE
 does anyone know of any reason why this could cause problems for whatever
 might be using the v5 JRE? I'm thinking along the lines of the install
 adjusting system variables for example. My guess it is should be fine but
 I'd appreciate other's opinions before I go ahead.

 Thanks

 Gareth


 

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RE: JVM / JRE update

2007-02-07 Thread Wolfe, Aaron

Unless you need to update it for the Daylight Savings Time change.
As Ben refers to,
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/6/ColdFusion-And-Daylight-Sav
ings-Time-Changes

-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: JVM / JRE update

Is it wise, recommended, or supported, to mess with the JVM that CF
uses?
I've never felt the urge to upgrade the JRE in Coldfusion

On 2/7/07, Gareth Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I need to update a customers windows 2003 server to 1.4.2_11 JVM 
 (currently
 1.4.2_05 / CF 7.01). I have noticed the server has the v5 JRE 
 installed separately in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06.

 Assuming that I install only the development tools and NOT the public 
 JRE does anyone know of any reason why this could cause problems for 
 whatever might be using the v5 JRE? I'm thinking along the lines of 
 the install adjusting system variables for example. My guess it is 
 should be fine but I'd appreciate other's opinions before I go ahead.

 Thanks

 Gareth

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jim Wright

Rick Root wrote:
 For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
 interesting...
 

The combination of a open source  shared hosting optimized CF runtime 
is where I see some possibilities.  Perhaps if one of the big hosting 
companies (HMS or GoDaddy seem like likely candidates), would put some 
resources into developing such a beast, it might have a chance.  I'm not 
sure the community at large has enough momentum to develop a general 
purpose alternative to CF or BD.  It seems like another CF product, be 
it commercial or open source, Railo or Smith, would need to fill some 
niche...and being shared hosting optimized would probably be the most 
likely candidate.  I believe Railo has a good start in this area...not 
sure about Smith.

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RE: JVM / JRE update

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts

 I need to update a customers windows 2003 server to 1.4.2_11 
 JVM (currently
 1.4.2_05 / CF 7.01). I have noticed the server has the v5 JRE 
 installed separately in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06.
 
 Assuming that I install only the development tools and NOT 
 the public JRE does anyone know of any reason why this could 
 cause problems for whatever might be using the v5 JRE? I'm 
 thinking along the lines of the install adjusting system 
 variables for example. My guess it is should be fine but I'd 
 appreciate other's opinions before I go ahead.

It'll be fine. The JVMs won't affect each other.

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread James Holmes

Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud?

On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why? what's the difference between open source and free?


 Rick Root schrieb:
  For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
  interesting...
 
 
 

 

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community helping
to develop the project,  so bug fixes and features are done in record time
instead of waiting on a few developers to bring you the things that you
need the most. Why has mySql done so well? Gee I will answer that myself.
MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base
while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also
develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply
means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it takes
longer for community acceptance.

Doug B.




- Original Message - 
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?


 why? what's the difference between open source and free?


 Rick Root schrieb:
  For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
  interesting...
 
 
 

 

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

lol ;)

Doug B.
- Original Message - 
From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?


 Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out
loud?

 On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  why? what's the difference between open source and free?
 
 
  Rick Root schrieb:
   For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
   interesting...
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: FLEX Questions

2007-02-07 Thread So Kenfused

Yes, I bought a copy for my 5 year old in Kindergarten.  Bruce Sorge wrote:


 So I have a daughter who is in HS. That counts?

 Bruce

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rey Bango

Hah! h4x0r! ;o)

Rey...

James Holmes wrote:
 Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud?
 
 On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why? what's the difference between open source and free?


 Rick Root schrieb:
 For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
 interesting...




 
 

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Re: JVM / JRE update

2007-02-07 Thread Gareth Hughes

Cool. Thanks all.

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To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: JVM / JRE update

 I need to update a customers windows 2003 server to 1.4.2_11
 JVM (currently
 1.4.2_05 / CF 7.01). I have noticed the server has the v5 JRE
 installed separately in C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06.

 Assuming that I install only the development tools and NOT
 the public JRE does anyone know of any reason why this could
 cause problems for whatever might be using the v5 JRE? I'm
 thinking along the lines of the install adjusting system
 variables for example. My guess it is should be fine but I'd
 appreciate other's opinions before I go ahead.

It'll be fine. The JVMs won't affect each other.

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Re: nvarchar and cfqueryparam

2007-02-07 Thread Richard Cooper

Thanks Paul, didn't realise cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR covered nvarchar as 
well. 
Cheers,

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Doug Brown said:
 A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
 helping to develop the project,

Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
have said they would actually help?

Jochem




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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jim Wright

Doug Brown wrote:
 MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base
 while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also
 develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply
 means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it takes
 longer for community acceptance.
 

I think the part about having the people that download the software also 
develop it is not accurate.  If you look at mysql's site and their own 
description of their community, there isn't a lot of mention of 
development.
http://dev.mysql.com/guilds/
Note that the Developers Guild only has 8 members...and it refers to 
development other than the core product development.  My guess is that 
all of the core development of MySQL is done by a MySQL-AB employee.

Having an open source community probably can reduce costs...most likely 
in marketing (all those people in the writers, speakers and experts 
Guilds) and QA.  But my impression of most open source projects is that 
the actual development is done by a very small number of developers, 
perhaps a similar size team to a commercial product, and that 
implementing new features and bug fixes...in general...works on a 
similar timeline as a commercial product.


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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Well I think it has to become open source before all the offerings come
piling in. I am sure the bandwagon did not get full for mySql until it was
opensourced. Could be wrong though :/

Doug B.
- Original Message - 
From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Doug Brown said:
  A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
  helping to develop the project,

 Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
 have said they would actually help?

 Jochem

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

How many people on this list are actually proficient in Java?  Most CF
people don't have a CS background, and a few who do, are probably too busy
to help out.  

I know some Java, and although I'm fairly busy, I would like to lend a hand.
Where do I sign up?

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
 
 Doug Brown said:
  A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
  helping to develop the project,
 
 Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
 have said they would actually help?
 
 Jochem
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: FLEX Questions

I know you're probably kidding, but at that point, why not just pirate the
copy?  You're probably violating the license anyway... 

Russ

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 From: So Kenfused [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:36 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: FLEX Questions
 
 Yes, I bought a copy for my 5 year old in Kindergarten.  Bruce Sorge
 wrote:
 
 
  So I have a daughter who is in HS. That counts?
 
  Bruce
 
 

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RE: FLEX Questions

2007-02-07 Thread Mark Fuqua

I hope your five year old enjoys learning flex.  It is not licensed to you,
or your wife, or your coworker or me, just your daughter.  In addition, I
believe there is a stipulation about commercial use as well.

Mark Fuqua

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Yes, I bought a copy for my 5 year old in Kindergarten.  Bruce Sorge wrote:

 So I have a daughter who is in HS. That counts?

 Bruce

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Re: Transact-SQL help

2007-02-07 Thread Billy Jamme

Can you post the query execution plan?  It sounds like you forgot to add an 
index.

I have anice getdistance function that calcs the distance between two zip 
codes.

**snip**
However, that is very slow.  It's very fast if I pass in the lat and long.

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Turetsky, Seth

Most CF people don't have a CS background
Where did you get this info from? 

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

How many people on this list are actually proficient in Java?  Most CF people 
don't have a CS background, and a few who do, are probably too busy to help 
out.  

I know some Java, and although I'm fairly busy, I would like to lend a hand.
Where do I sign up?

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Doug Brown said:
  A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community 
  helping to develop the project,

 Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people 
 have said they would actually help?

 Jochem

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Jim,

You might be right, but I also think that if something is open source that
the people with the right skill set could very well push along the
development of project. Say Joe Blow has been a java developer for ten years
and also uses coldfusion, he could very well implement new features and bug
fixes that the core dev team did not have time for and allow them to work on
other areas. Now depending on how many Joes are out there would decide how
fast a product progresses.

Doug B.
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?


 Doug Brown wrote:
  MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client
base
  while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software
also
  develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source
simply
  means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it takes
  longer for community acceptance.
 

 I think the part about having the people that download the software also
 develop it is not accurate.  If you look at mysql's site and their own
 description of their community, there isn't a lot of mention of
 development.
 http://dev.mysql.com/guilds/
 Note that the Developers Guild only has 8 members...and it refers to
 development other than the core product development.  My guess is that
 all of the core development of MySQL is done by a MySQL-AB employee.

 Having an open source community probably can reduce costs...most likely
 in marketing (all those people in the writers, speakers and experts
 Guilds) and QA.  But my impression of most open source projects is that
 the actual development is done by a very small number of developers,
 perhaps a similar size team to a commercial product, and that
 implementing new features and bug fixes...in general...works on a
 similar timeline as a commercial product.


 

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Re: Transact-SQL help

2007-02-07 Thread Billy Jamme

Can you post the query execution plan?  It sounds like you forgot to add an 
index.  That or the you're killing the optimizer with the SELECT *; bookmark 
lookups can kill a DB.

I've got my zip code database proximity thing all figured out.  I have a
nice getdistance function that calcs the distance between two zip codes.

It returns a result set containing all the zip codes within 25 miles of
27502.

But I can't use that in an IN clause... so what do I do?

Rick

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we
are yet to small and I don't think that the community will dig into our
tens of thousands of lines of code first to understand it and second to
fix it. If Adobe would do it, then this would be different.
If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other
vendors, they could easily adapt our code

And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already
open source.

Greetings / Grüsse
Gert Franz
Customer Care
Railo Technologies GmbH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Doug Brown schrieb:
A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community helping
to develop the project, so bug fixes and features are done in record time
instead of waiting on a few developers to bring you the things that you
need the most. Why has mySql done so well? Gee I will answer that myself.
MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base
while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also
develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply
means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it takes
longer for community acceptance.

Doug B.

- Original Message -
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

why? what's the difference between open source and free?

Rick Root schrieb:

For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just in general working and talking with CF people and at conferences. It
seems to me that because CF is so easy to learn, a lot of the people using
it are coming from non CS backgrounds. Now it might be just people I'm
coming in contact with, but that's been my experience.

Can we maybe set up a poll somewhere and test out this hypothesis?

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Most CF people don't have a CS background
Where did you get this info from?

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

How many people on this list are actually proficient in Java? Most CF
people don't have a CS background, and a few who do, are probably too busy
to help out.

I know some Java, and although I'm fairly busy, I would like to lend a
hand.
Where do I sign up?

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Doug Brown said:
A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
helping to develop the project,

Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
have said they would actually help?

Jochem

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Re: FLEX Questions

2007-02-07 Thread So Kenfused

I use it to make games for my daughter.  She doesn't have a game system. 
When she wants a game she asks me to make it.  I'll admit the games I 
produce are nothing like what you can get for your xbox or PS3, but they 
tend to be more educational and she gets to help design them.  It's also 
a great feeling  for us both to work together on them. 

We've made games for memory, matching, spelling, counting, math, and 
Sudoku.  Historically I've built the games in CF.  I just get to try it 
in FLEX now.

Russ wrote:
 I know you're probably kidding, but at that point, why not just pirate the
 copy?  You're probably violating the license anyway... 

 Russ

   


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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other
vendors, they could easily adapt our code

Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they
would also still be charging a wholloping price for their product.

Doug B.


- Original Message - 
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?


 Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we
 are yet to small and I don't think that the community will dig into our
 tens of thousands of lines of code first to understand it and second to
 fix it. If Adobe would do it, then this would be different.
 If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other
 vendors, they could easily adapt our code

 And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already
 open source.

 Greetings / Grüsse
 Gert Franz
 Customer Care
 Railo Technologies GmbH
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.railo.ch

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 Doug Brown schrieb:
  A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
helping
  to develop the project,  so bug fixes and features are done in record
time
  instead of waiting on a few developers to bring you the things that
you
  need the most. Why has mySql done so well? Gee I will answer that
myself.
  MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client
base
  while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software
also
  develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source
simply
  means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it takes
  longer for community acceptance.
 
  Doug B.
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
 
 
 
  why? what's the difference between open source and free?
 
 
  Rick Root schrieb:
 
  For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
  interesting...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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upgrade: custom tags and verity trouble

2007-02-07 Thread Carol Chandler

We upgraded from MX 6.1 to 7 last night, running Linux (Fedoracore 6) and 
Apache 2.2.  Most things went pretty smoothly, but our java CFX's aren't being 
found.  The tags are listed in the administrator as being registered Java CFX 
tags (I deleted and re-registered one, but it didn't help) and the directory is 
listed under Custom Tag Paths (the other custom tag directories were still 
there from before the upgrade.  This one was not.  I added it and restarted CF. 
 It didn't help.)  I verified that the jars are where I say they are, and have 
correct permissions.  I checked the spelling and capitalization in the file 
name, registration, and calling page.  Any idea what I'm missing?

Verity problem:
 /opt/coldfusionmx7/bin/cfmxsearch start 
 __ 
  DASDOMParser: Fatal Error 
 File: /opt/coldfusionmx7/verity/Data/host/admin/admin0.xml 
 Line: 1 
 Char: 1 
 Message: The main XML document cannot be empty 
 __ 
 Errors occurred during parsing 
 FAILED: Please check the log file under 
/opt/coldfusionmx7/verity/Data/host/log/status.log for more information 
 

The log file sayd:
Status: 
 Failed to Load XML [/opt/coldfusionmx7/verity/Data/host/admin/admin0.xml] 
 2007-02-06 22:20:11 Status: K2 Administration server failed to start up 
with error [-6001] using configuration file 
[/opt/coldfusionmx7/verity/Data/host/admin/admin0.xml]. 
 
Thanks very much,
Carol Chandler

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Nestd loop bug with a twist

2007-02-07 Thread Brent Shaub

Hello Forum,

I am aware of the bug in regards to an inner loop not being able to access the
values in an outer one. It most cases I'd drop a temporary variable right
before the inner loop begins so I can reference it inside.

What I'm doing now is creating a report from a configuration table that may
have additional columns in the future. I run a query from syscolumns to get
the list of columns when the report is ran.

For the output, is there a way to output a column's value based on the position
of the column in the recordset (like an array's index)? The only way I know to
output a value is to say #queryName.columnName#. This leads me to cfoutput
over the value query, and cfloop over the column query asking for
#evaluate(qValues.#qColumns.name#)# where qColumns.name outputs the column's
name and the evaluate() outputs the value. The code would work fine if it
weren't for CF's nested-loop bug. What happens is the first row's values are
repeated for each record which is not the stored data in the database.

Any ideas how to either drop a temporary row from the qValues query to
reference in the inner loop or access qValues' columns using their ordinal
positions? Below is the code:

!--- goofs only because of CF bug in nested loops ---
table border=1 width=100%
tr
cfoutput query=qColumnNames
td#qColumnNames.name#/td
/cfoutput
/tr
cfoutput query=qValues
tr
cfloop query=qColumnNames

td#evaluate(qValues.#qColumnNames.name#)#/td
/cfloop
/tr
/cfoutput
/table

Any workarounds appreciated.

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just
as popular?

A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)


Doug


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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

That's my point...

Thanks Doug...

Doug Brown schrieb:
If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other
vendors, they could easily adapt our code

Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they
would also still be charging a wholloping price for their product.

Doug B.

- Original Message -
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already
open source.

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Doug Brown schrieb:

A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community

helping

to develop the project, so bug fixes and features are done in record

time

instead of waiting on a few developers to bring you the things that

you

need the most. Why has mySql done so well? Gee I will answer that

myself.

MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client

base

while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software

also

develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source

simply

means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it takes
longer for community acceptance.

Doug B.

- Original Message -
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

why? what's the difference between open source and free?

Rick Root schrieb:

For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

I did not make your point :) You have to have some sort of niche in order to
get your product to be seen as a viable solution/alternative. Who cares if
Adobe adopts some of your code if they are still charging $6000 per cpu for
enterprise licensing. Your product would be open source and you could still
have a enterprise edition that you charge for albeit at a lower price.

Doug B.



- Original Message - 
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?


 That's my point...

 Thanks Doug...

 Doug Brown schrieb:
  If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than
other
  vendors, they could easily adapt our code
 
 
  Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they
  would also still be charging a wholloping price for their product.
 
  Doug B.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
 
 
 
  Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we
  are yet to small and I don't think that the community will dig into our
  tens of thousands of lines of code first to understand it and second to
  fix it. If Adobe would do it, then this would be different.
  If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other
  vendors, they could easily adapt our code
 
  And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already
  open source.
 
  Greetings / Grüsse
  Gert Franz
  Customer Care
  Railo Technologies GmbH
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.railo.ch
 
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  Doug Brown schrieb:
 
  A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
 
  helping
 
  to develop the project,  so bug fixes and features are done in record
 
  time
 
  instead of waiting on a few developers to bring you the things that
 
  you
 
  need the most. Why has mySql done so well? Gee I will answer that
 
  myself.
 
  MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client
 
  base
 
  while at the same time having the people that downloaded their
software
 
  also
 
  develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source
 
  simply
 
  means that we have to wait for you to implemnt things and that it
takes
  longer for community acceptance.
 
  Doug B.
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
 
 
 
 
  why? what's the difference between open source and free?
 
 
  Rick Root schrieb:
 
 
  For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
  interesting...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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CFHTTP and SSL Troubles

2007-02-07 Thread J W

I have, what I think is a pretty unique situation that is causing me to rip
my hair out.

I am working with trying to import a KEYPAIR into CACERTS. To explain a
little further.

I have a private key file that I created using openssl, then generated a
cert request for the company that I am dealing with, to which they gave me a
generated cert file back. (Both p7 and crt file) This contains their cert
but not my private key. the crt file will import into cacerts, but the
privatekey PEM file will not.

Ok, fair enough, I tried to create a combined p12 cert with both my private
key and then tried to import, to with keytool tells me Unknown key Spec:
Invalid RSA modulus size. I also heard somewhere that there is sometimes
issues with p12 files importing properly into JRE  keystores, so I converted
to a DER file and it still won't import to the CACARTS file.

Basically, all I am trying to do is make a SOAP request using CFHTTP to a
certain WSDL. This particular WSDL needs to have a trusted cert and my
PRIVATE KEY to function correctly. Can Coldfusion MX7  handle private keys
to handshake a cert? Is there some other way to do it if Coldfusion can't.

The kicker is I can get this pairing to work in internet explorer 7 to test
the WSDL that I am working with. I even tried to export the cert using
internet explorer and tried to import it into cacerts but get the same
modulus size error as above..

Sorry if I was a little vaugue  about details as I am under an NDA. If you
need more detail, just ask and I will do my best to post up.

I am at wits end here. Any help would be very appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeff


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jQuery??

2007-02-07 Thread John Sterrett

Today someone pointed me towards jQuery.  Is anyone using this JavaScript 
framework?  If so what are your opinions?  I am curious as I think this might 
be good resource for new college grads that are unfamiliar with JavaScript.

Regards,
John Sterrett
Sr. Software Developer
Schedule Star  

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Turetsky, Seth

That would be an interesting poll, would prove if I wasted a lot of money 
getting my cs degree :) 
I think it would be useful to see of the percentages, who works for a company 
or does contractor work

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just in general working and talking with CF people and at conferences.  It 
seems to me that because CF is so easy to learn, a lot of the people using it 
are coming from non CS backgrounds.  Now it might be just people I'm coming in 
contact with, but that's been my experience.  

Can we maybe set up a poll somewhere and test out this hypothesis?  

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Most CF people don't have a CS background
 Where did you get this info from?

 -Original Message-
 From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 How many people on this list are actually proficient in Java?  Most CF 
 people don't have a CS background, and a few who do, are probably too 
 busy to help out.

 I know some Java, and although I'm fairly busy, I would like to lend a 
 hand.
 Where do I sign up?

 Russ

  -Original Message-
  From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

  Doug Brown said:
   A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire 
   community helping to develop the project,

  Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people 
  have said they would actually help?

  Jochem

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

I think ASP/PHP do have cheaper hosting, and the whole selling point is that
it's free. The fact that it will take longer to develop an app is not
immediately clear, and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.

ASP also probably performs better then CF. From what I hear, Bluedragon
..NET performs better then CF, and doesn't have the memory problems that CF
does.

Also if you want to have any sort of load balanced environment, I believe
ASP has it built in somewhere (haven't really looked into it), and it's
free, while for CF you have to shell out $12000 (2 Enterprise Licenses).
Even if you have a fairly low traffic site, but you would like to have a
load balanced environment, it's going to cost you a lot of money to get
there. (If you need session replication at least). Also, from what I've
been told, session replication doesn't work reliably with CF, although I
have not experienced problems myself.

Another issue is that it doesn't scale easily. Not that CF can't scale, but
if I have an a CF App that cost me $x to develop, and a ASP.NET app that
cost me $2x to develop, if I need to scale it out with multiple servers, at
some point the cost of the licenses for the new servers outweigh the cost of
developing the app in the first place. The fact that you can run CF on
linux and forego windows licensing costs offsets this somewhat, but there's
still a significant difference. This is most likely why MySpace is moving
towards .NET.

I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender in the enterprise world.

Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
learning them.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF
just
as popular?

A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)

Doug

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Re: ColdFusion on Apache is better than IIS?

On 2/6/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Interestingly, this may in fact be true for livedocs at least:

 http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://livedocs.macromedia.com

 JRun webserver shows for every entry. However,for www.adobe.com,
 wherein lies the CF powered forums
 (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm):

 http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.adobe.com

 Apache for every entry.

Ummm, you're assuming it's Apache because that's what the headers say?
Or am I missing something? Note the F5 BigIP in there --- lots of
stuff you can do with that to obscure what's really under the hood.

And just because Apache is in there, it doesn't mean it's doing the CF
application serving per se -- a very common situation in the Rails
world now is to use Apache 2.2 with mod_proxy to load balance between
3-10 mongrel web/ruby servers. So technically the request is
coming/going to Apache, but Apache just balances the requests and
proxies to what's really serving the pages. It's straightforward to do
the same with CF/JRun on the backend.

All academic anyhow -- the original point of the thread was whether
IIS or Apache was faster serving CF b/c IIS was quoted as being faster
for static pages. I think that there's little evidence to support that
assertion :)

sidebarA fun rant from Zed Shaw about statistics and programmers
rates directly to this discussion
http://zedshaw.com/rants/programmer_stats.html/sidebar If you don't
know Zed, he wrote mongrel (one of the fastest web servers around) and
is *never* afraid to tell you exactly what he thinks :)

 On 2/7/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And I'll throw in a discussion I had w/ an unnamed Adobe source --
  seems like Adobe runs CF inside a Java container with the internal
  webserver -- no IIS or Apache.


 --
 CFAJAX docs and other useful articles:
 http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/

 

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Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project

2007-02-07 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)

Yes, but can't you executed a stored procedure directly from within 
cfquery? We've done it here many times in the past...

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Andrew Grosset wrote:
 Very interesting alternative...though cfstoredproc needs adding before I 
 can use it.
 
 Andrew.
 
 
Well all the ones that hear, that there are alternatives with low or no 
costs at all. Like Railo or Smith.

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RE: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project

2007-02-07 Thread Brad Wood

Yes, but AFAIK you can't make use of return codes, output parameters,
and multiple result sets.

~Brad

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM
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Yes, but can't you executed a stored procedure directly from within 
cfquery? We've done it here many times in the past...

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Re: nvarchar and cfqueryparam

2007-02-07 Thread Paul Hastings

Richard Cooper wrote:
 Thanks Paul, didn't realise cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR covered nvarchar as 
 well. 

i'm not sure that it does as you *have* to also set the unicode option for your 
DSN too.

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RE: Referencing a CFC above the calling file.

That's a really cool concept ben. Thanks for the read... 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Nadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Referencing a CFC above the calling file.

Andy,

I know that you already found a solution, but you might want to ake a peek
at this one. I never used mapped paths and here is a solution that I have
used before:

http://www.bennadel.com/blog/348-Creating-ColdFusion-Components-In-Paren
t-Directories-From-Sub-Directories-Without-Mapped-Paths.htm
OR: http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:348.view 

Just thought you might be curious...

...
Ben Nadel
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX7 Developer www.bennadel.com

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www.bennadel.com/ask-ben/

-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Referencing a CFC above the calling file.

That's what I needed Doug. Thanks a lot for finding it!

andy 

-Original Message-
From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Referencing a CFC above the calling file.

No, it's quite relevant. 

From the docs:
If you use a cfinvoke or cfobject tag, or the CreateObject function, to
access the CFC from a CFML page, ColdFusion searches directories in the
following order: 
1. Local directory of the calling CFML page 2. Web root 3. Directories
specified on the Custom Tag Paths page of ColdFusion MX Administrator

Note #2 - if it doesn't find it in the directory of the calling page, it
next starts at the web root and works from there. 

If the component is outside of the web root, you're out of luck without a
mapping - you can't do the equivalent of ../. All of the lookups are forward
only.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:36 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Referencing a CFC above the calling file.

 Well, it's sort of irrelevant that it's outside the web root (or is
it).
 The
 important thing is that the CFC exists ABOVE the calling page. How can
you
 create a path using dot notation to a file that's above your calling
page?

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RE: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project

Andrew...

Any reason you can't just execute the SP from within a cfquery block? 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Grosset [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Take a minute to Digg this story about the Smith Project

Very interesting alternative...though cfstoredproc needs adding before I
can use it.

Andrew.

Well all the ones that hear, that there are alternatives with low or no 
costs at all. Like Railo or Smith.

Greetings / Grüsse
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Customer Care
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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify.
It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to give
it back to the community (you) for others to use. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

why? what's the difference between open source and free?

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 interesting...

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Eric Haskins

and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.

I find the opposite Russ coming from PHP to CF Cf is alot more verbose than
PHP. I am learning CF as I work for a CF shop FullTime as a Web Systems
Developer. Cant speak for ASP

I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender in the enterprise world.

Can you elaborate on this?? I use session vars all the time in php. I have
done apps for Verizon that are php.

Eric

On 2/7/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think ASP/PHP do have cheaper hosting, and the whole selling point is
that
it's free. The fact that it will take longer to develop an app is not
immediately clear, and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.

ASP also probably performs better then CF. From what I hear, Bluedragon
..NET performs better then CF, and doesn't have the memory problems that
CF
does.

Another issue is that it doesn't scale easily. Not that CF can't scale,
but
if I have an a CF App that cost me $x to develop, and a ASP.NET app that
cost me $2x to develop, if I need to scale it out with multiple servers,
at
some point the cost of the licenses for the new servers outweigh the cost
of
developing the app in the first place. The fact that you can run CF on
linux and forego windows licensing costs offsets this somewhat, but
there's
still a significant difference. This is most likely why MySpace is moving
towards .NET.

I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender in the enterprise world.

Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
learning them.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that
asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF
just
as popular?

A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)

Doug

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

But that's the thing Gert...

If you DO open source it, nothing would change on your end except that
people who WANT to get involved COULD get involved. So even if no one
decided to help out, you wouldn't be losing anything. And you never
know...people could jump on board and Railo could get a serious jump start. 

-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we are
yet to small and I don't think that the community will dig into our tens of
thousands of lines of code first to understand it and second to fix it. If
Adobe would do it, then this would be different.
If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other
vendors, they could easily adapt our code

And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already open
source.

Greetings / Grüsse
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Railo Technologies GmbH
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Doug Brown schrieb:
 A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community 
 helping to develop the project,  so bug fixes and features are done in 
 record time instead of waiting on a few developers to bring you the 
 things that you need the most. Why has mySql done so well? Gee I will
answer that myself.
 MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client 
 base while at the same time having the people that downloaded their 
 software also develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and 
 closed source simply means that we have to wait for you to implemnt 
 things and that it takes longer for community acceptance.

 Doug B.




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 From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?


   
 why? what's the difference between open source and free?


 Rick Root schrieb:
 
 For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be 
 interesting...



   
 

 



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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

I think that cost is one of the biggest issues. Every other programmer I've
spoken with about CF thinks that you have to BUY the server just to host a
single CF site. It's like they don't even realize that there might be CF
based hosting companies.

I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects,
there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look
at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the
popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that just works.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just
as popular?

A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)


Doug




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Re: jQuery??

2007-02-07 Thread Rey Bango

Yep. It seems like quite a number of CF developers have embraced it. You 
can check out my blog post about it here:

http://www.reybango.com/index.cfm/2007/2/2/Holy-Cow-Anothe-CF-BigWig-Using-the-jQuery-Ajax-Library

Some notables using it are Rob Gonda (Mr. AjaxCFC), Joe Danziger, Dan 
Switzer (qForms), Tony Petruzzi, Andy Matthews, and most recently Ben 
Nadel (http://bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:513.view).

Let me know if you need some help with it.

Rey

John Sterrett wrote:
 Today someone pointed me towards jQuery.  Is anyone using this JavaScript 
 framework?  If so what are your opinions?  I am curious as I think this might 
 be good resource for new college grads that are unfamiliar with JavaScript.
 
 Regards,
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ordering sites in IIS6

2007-02-07 Thread ray

Is there a way to order the web sites in IIS in alphabetical order?  Seems
like this would be a trivial function, but it is eluding me.

 



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RE: jQuery??

I've been using jQuery for about 6 months now and I love it. It's got a VERY
active community in and of itself, and lately, partly due to my (and Rey
Bango's) efforts, it appears that many CF developers are picking up on it.
Since you're on the CF-Talk list, you're obviously a CF developer of some
level. I'd can't recommend jQuery highly enough. This post over at Ben
Nadel's blog should be perfect for pointing you in the right direction to
use jQuery and CF together:
http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:513.view

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-Original Message-
From: John Sterrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: jQuery??

Today someone pointed me towards jQuery.  Is anyone using this JavaScript
framework?  If so what are your opinions?  I am curious as I think this
might be good resource for new college grads that are unfamiliar with
JavaScript.

Regards,
John Sterrett
Sr. Software Developer
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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten

Andy Matthews said:
 Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to
 modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code,
 they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use.

No it doesn't. Even the most viral licenses for software only require
you to publish your modifications when you distribute a derived work.
And the licenses that are not copyleft do not require any source code
distribution at all.

Jochem




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CFWEBTRAFFIC - when to go to a cluster config

2007-02-07 Thread COLDFUSION . DEVELOPER

All,

Are their any traffic benchmarks as to when you should take your CF Web site to
a clustered environment?  The clustered setup we now have is increasing the 
level 
of complexity with a few issues I'm not use to.  Does anyone know a story/guide 
online taht talks about this? My experience has been with Shared hosting or 
dedicated 
with RAID configurations. 

Any advice, pointers would be very much appreciated.

D

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Re: SOT. Formatting Excel

2007-02-07 Thread read

Ryan,
Could you plz contact me. I have purchased your Excel2Query cfx tag off your 
web site and need it unlocked, and I'm desperate to find a way to reach you. WE 
DO LOVE YOUR TAGS! 
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You can always output directly to Excel using a template..  though I'm biased 
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RE: ordering sites in IIS6

2007-02-07 Thread Dawson, Michael

Click once on the Web Sites branch.  Then the web sites will appear,
alphabetized, in the right-hand pane.

Kinda ate up, ain't it?! 

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Is there a way to order the web sites in IIS in alphabetical order?
Seems like this would be a trivial function, but it is eluding me.

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects,
there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look
at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the
popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that just works.

Well, since the guys at 37Signals *created* Rails, it's not a suprise
they're piggybacking on it. One of their big talks is about extracting
Rails (the framework) from Basecamp (the product). Hype serves them on
both sides of the coin -- pushing their framework and their product(s)
built on it.

And as apparently will be my mission in the CF world, I'll just remind you

Rails = framework
Ruby = language

I'd still say *ruby* is not as popular or well known as *rails* is,
and that Ruby is probably comparable in popularity to CF in that it's
*way* behind languages like C#, Java, and PHP. Of course *Rails* is
probably one of the bigger *frameworks*, right up there with Struts.

And finally, it doesn't take a *lot* of kicking ColdFusion sites to
get it hyped -- it takes 1 popular, kicking, hyped site. There's a
*lot* of Rails sites, but Basecamp is the one most folks know. CF
needs a similar exemplar, but it will take the whole package of CF and
a framework, etc -- the CF frameworks need a lot more work before they
compare to what's hyped about Rails. Flex is far more likely to be
able to generate hype IMHO.

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RE: ordering sites in IIS6

2007-02-07 Thread Ray Champagne

Well.  Duh on my part.  I was concentrating on the left pane so much, I
overlooked that.

Thanks.

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 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:17 PM
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 Subject: RE: ordering sites in IIS6
 Importance: High

 Click once on the Web Sites branch.  Then the web sites will appear,
 alphabetized, in the right-hand pane.

 Kinda ate up, ain't it?!

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 Subject: ordering sites in IIS6

 Is there a way to order the web sites in IIS in alphabetical order?
 Seems like this would be a trivial function, but it is eluding me.

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Re: Help with query please.

2007-02-07 Thread Brent Shaub

Doug,

Rick Root posted a thread which reminded me of the issue you are having.  He's 
talking about a way to optimize a zip-lookup function perhaps similar to yours. 
 That post is at: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/thread.cfm/threadid:50216

Hope this is of some help.  Seems to me that the resultset is too large for SQL 
Server to handle.  You could try running SQL Profiler to view memory statistics 
or reconfiguring SQL Server to have more memory if you have some to spare.

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Okay...thanks for correcting me Jochem. I didn't realize the difference. 

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Andy Matthews said:
 Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to 
 modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code, 
 they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use.

No it doesn't. Even the most viral licenses for software only require you to
publish your modifications when you distribute a derived work.
And the licenses that are not copyleft do not require any source code
distribution at all.

Jochem

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Re: Nestd loop bug with a twist

2007-02-07 Thread Adrian

table border=1 width=100%
   tr
   cfoutput query=qColumnNames
   td#qColumnNames.name#/td
   /cfoutput
   /tr
   cfoutput query=qValues
   tr
   cfloop query=qColumnNames
   td#qValues[qColumnNames[name][
qColumnNames.currentRow]][qValues.currentRow]#/td
   /cfloop
   /tr
   /cfoutput
/table


On 07/02/07, Brent Shaub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Forum,

 I am aware of the bug in regards to an inner loop not being able to access
 the values in an outer one.  It most cases I'd drop a temporary variable
 right before the inner loop begins so I can reference it inside.

 What I'm doing now is creating a report from a configuration table that
 may have additional columns in the future.  I run a query from syscolumns to
 get the list of columns when the report is ran.

 For the output, is there a way to output a column's value based on the
 position of the column in the recordset (like an array's index)?  The only
 way I know to output a value is to say #queryName.columnName#.  This leads
 me to cfoutput over the value query, and cfloop over the column query
 asking for #evaluate(qValues.#qColumns.name#)# where qColumns.nameoutputs 
 the column's name and the evaluate() outputs the value.  The code
 would work fine if it weren't for CF's nested-loop bug.  What happens is the
 first row's values are repeated for each record which is not the stored data
 in the database.

 Any ideas how to either drop a temporary row from the qValues query to
 reference in the inner loop  or  access qValues' columns using their ordinal
 positions?  Below is the code:

 !--- goofs only because of CF bug in nested loops ---
 table border=1 width=100%
 tr
 cfoutput query=qColumnNames
 td#qColumnNames.name#/td
 /cfoutput
 /tr
 cfoutput query=qValues
 tr
 cfloop query=qColumnNames

 
 td#evaluate(qValues.#qColumnNames.name#)#/td
 /cfloop
 /tr
 /cfoutput
 /table

 Any workarounds appreciated.

 

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.

That's a fairly ridiculous assertion -- first of all that one specific
language is more complicated than another and second that complexity =
bugs. One could makes all sorts of similar unsupported arguments that
we've all heard:

PHP is less prone to bugs because it's open
PHP is more prone to bugs because it's open
ASP is more prone to bugs because it's on Windows
etc, etc

Some of the most common bugs I've seen in web apps I've dealt with
(commercial, open souce, and inhouse) tend to be simple user error
like not checking parameters for type/content (eg SQL injection).
Other common errors are off-by-one errors in loops and simply bad
logic. Few programming languages prevent a developer from doing
something dumb that causes a bug.

I find the opposite Russ coming from PHP to CF Cf is alot more verbose than
PHP. I am learning CF as I work for a CF shop FullTime as a Web Systems
Developer. Cant speak for ASP

I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender in the enterprise world.

Can you elaborate on this?? I use session vars all the time in php. I have
done apps for Verizon that are php.

The assertions CF folks make about open source always just make me cringe.

Of *course* PHP has session management, and quite frankly some far
more sophisticated options including session clustering that actually
works under load (eg memcached) as opposed to the JRun session
clustering that has known issues with performance thanks to what it's
doing with JINI and who knows what else. Plus you've got more options
about where you store the session (eg files on the server instead of
database or memory directly).

rant
In the past few days, I've seen far too many posts that didn't even
take the time to Wikipedia/google/whatever before making assertions
about open source licenses, the capabilities of languages they've
never used, or even verify or source statments that were the truth.

Please check your facts, even just briefly before you post. Or save as
a draft, come back an hour later, and still see if you want to post
it.
/rant

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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jordan Michaels

Russ wrote:
I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender in the enterprise world.

Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
learning them.

Don't take this the wrong way Russ, but if you don't know PHP, how do
you justify talking about it's feature set? Even more so, you then take
that baseless and false feature set comment and use it to justify a
comment about PHP's presence in the enterprise - something which you are
clearly not at all acquainted with. It would be wise of you to consider
your words before you make broad, unfounded, and completely false
statements about something you admittedly do not know about.

For the record, PHP does indeed have session management, and I know
several enterprise-level companies who rely on it heavily.

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Blue Dragon Alliance Member
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Russ wrote:
I think ASP/PHP do have cheaper hosting, and the whole selling point is that
it's free. The fact that it will take longer to develop an app is not
immediately clear, and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.

ASP also probably performs better then CF. From what I hear, Bluedragon
..NET performs better then CF, and doesn't have the memory problems that CF
does.

I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender in the enterprise world.

Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
learning them.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF
just
as popular?

A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)

Doug

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.

PHP is less prone to bugs because it's open
PHP is more prone to bugs because it's open
ASP is more prone to bugs because it's on Windows
etc, etc

I find the opposite Russ coming from PHP to CF Cf is alot more verbose
than
PHP. I am learning CF as I work for a CF shop FullTime as a Web Systems
Developer. Cant speak for ASP

I don't think anyone is saying that PHP is more or less prone to bugs
because it's open. PHP (the language) has its own bugs/CF has it's own, but
I wasn't talking about the bugs in the language itself. I was talking about
bugs in the code. CF is so simple, that a lot of non-technical people learn
it and are able to create fairly bug free sites.

As I've admitted, I am not very familiar with PHP/ASP, but I do believe that
CF does prevent inexperienced developers from making mistakes. I don't
think I've seen working SQL injection code for CF and MS SQL to date, but I
could be wrong... CF auto escapes the query for you, so that the risk of
SQL Injection is greatly reduced, if not eliminated.

I haven't worked with PHP/ASP, but from the code samples, I looked at, they
both seem to be more verbose, and nothing comes even close to the simplicity
of the CFQUERY tag.
sarcasmI don't know about you guys, but personally, I love storing my
database usernames and passwords in my code. /sarcasm

Now I'm not sure if PHP/ASP have any facilities that let you abstract the
connection information (ASP might through windows datasources, but they're
more difficult to create).

I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even
a
contender in the enterprise world.

Can you elaborate on this?? I use session vars all the time in php. I
have
done apps for Verizon that are php.

The assertions CF folks make about open source always just make me cringe.

Please check your facts, even just briefly before you post. Or save as
a draft, come back an hour later, and still see if you want to post
it.
/rant

I'm sorry I didn't do my research, but I did mention that I don't have a lot
of experience with PHP/ASP. Nice to know that PHP has good session
clustering...

I think one of the nice things about this list, is if you say something
that's not true, someone will call you on it.

Plus If I feel that CF is better, and that PHP and ASP don't come close,
that it must be true. And that's the truthiness of it.

Russ

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On 2/7/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify.
 It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to
 give
 it back to the community (you) for others to use.


Depends on the license.  I use the BSD license.  There are no requirments
that modifications come back to me for inclusion.  Heck, someone could take
CFFM, making some mods, encrypt it and sell it.  (RabidCFFM, anyone?) ...
under the BSD license, they could do that as long s they included my
original license file in the distribution.

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RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:40 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

 Russ wrote:
  I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
  contender in the enterprise world.

  Personally, I don't know PHP or ASP.NET, but I should probably start
  learning them.

 Don't take this the wrong way Russ, but if you don't know PHP, how do
 you justify talking about it's feature set? Even more so, you then take
 that baseless and false feature set comment and use it to justify a
 comment about PHP's presence in the enterprise - something which you are
 clearly not at all acquainted with. It would be wise of you to consider
 your words before you make broad, unfounded, and completely false
 statements about something you admittedly do not know about.

 For the record, PHP does indeed have session management, and I know
 several enterprise-level companies who rely on it heavily.

I said I don't think that PHP has session management, and I expected someone
on this list to correct me if I was wrong.  You and John did, and I thank
you for that. 

Russ

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Re: Nestd loop bug with a twist

2007-02-07 Thread Brent Shaub

Adrian,

My sincerest thanks!  I knew there had to be a way to reference a query like an 
array.  I was trying to use the number of column...  Your way is precise, 
easy-to-read and runs quickly.

Thank you for your help!

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Re: Transact-SQL help

Query optimization didn't have anything to do with it.

I was running getDistance(zip1,zip2) instead a WHERE IN clause.  My
getDistance() function, which was based on Russ' would actually do two
selects based on the zip code arguments.

For example

select prospect, name, address, city, state, zip
from prospects
where zip in
( select zipcode from zipcodes where getDistance(prospects.zip,'27502') 
25)

Let's say there were 100,000 rows in the prospect table.

My original solution would've caused the getDistance() function to be called
100,000 times, and each time it would run two select queries to get the
latitude and longitude, and then calc the distance.

Effectively running 200,000 little select queries.

Indexes weren't going to help =)

At any rate, I got everything working super fast and blogged all about it.

Rick


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MX7+jQuery today versus the future in Scorpio (?)

2007-02-07 Thread Michael E. Carluen

Hello Folks,

This has been at the back of my mind for some time now.  

Currently, I am investing a bit of time ajax-ifying my CF apps with (the
awesome) jQuery library.  Now that Scorpio is just around the corner, I am
wondering if it (Scorpio) will come with some sort of native support to
ajax. If so, I would only assume Adobe to integrate or have some built-in
implementation of its own Spry into Scorpio. And if it is, I am just hoping
to know to what extent is its implementation, so I know how it may or may
not affect me on what I am doing today. I don't want anyone to break any
NDAs, but merely trying to find guidance, comments, or suggestions. Much
appreciated everyone.

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Detect Acrobat Reader Installation

2007-02-07 Thread Walter Conti

Is it possible?
ThankYou

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Re: Detect Acrobat Reader Installation

2007-02-07 Thread John Dowdell

Walter Conti wrote:
 Is it possible?

Are you asking whether you can detect whether someone else's computer 
has Adobe Reader installed (and optionally, which version)?

If so, then are you planning on detecting this from within JavaScript, 
from within a PDF, from your server before any files are served, or 
something else...?

jd





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Re: jQuery??

2007-02-07 Thread Judah McAuley

For those of you that are interested in jQuery, I might suggest that you
take a look at DomQuery by Jack Slocum.

http://www.jackslocum.com/blog/2007/01/11/domquery-css-selector-basic-xpath-implementation-with-benchmarks/

I like DomQuery better than jQuery and its 2 to 3 times faster than
jQuery in every task. I wouldn't suggest that anyone rip out existing
jQuery implementations, but if you aren't heavily invested, I'd give it
a look. Jack's yui-ext library is really kicking some ass. I am
definitely becoming a disciple of his work.

Judah

Andy Matthews wrote:
I've been using jQuery for about 6 months now and I love it. It's got a VERY
active community in and of itself, and lately, partly due to my (and Rey
Bango's) efforts, it appears that many CF developers are picking up on it.
Since you're on the CF-Talk list, you're obviously a CF developer of some
level. I'd can't recommend jQuery highly enough. This post over at Ben
Nadel's blog should be perfect for pointing you in the right direction to
use jQuery and CF together:
http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:513.view

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ANN: cfFramework.com interviews

2007-02-07 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk

In case anyone has missed the news we have recently started
interviewing some CF frameworks 'gurus' over on
http://cfFrameworks.com/

Brian Rinaldi:  http://wapurl.co.uk/?TFLIUJX OR
http://cfframeworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/1/29/cfframeworks-Interview-with-Brian-Rinaldi

Peter Bell: http://wapurl.co.uk/?LBNT69J OR
http://cfframeworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/7/cfFrameworks-Interview-Peter-Bell-on-Lightwire-and-frameworks

We have Sean Corfield and Mark Mandel coming soon with Ray Camden,
Isaac Dealey, Luis Majano and Barney Boisvert lined up.


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RE: Detect Acrobat Reader Installation

2007-02-07 Thread Walter Conti

Thank for the interest JD :

Would like to detect from the server before any files are served.

ValterConti


-Original Message-
From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Detect Acrobat Reader Installation

Walter Conti wrote:
 Is it possible?

Are you asking whether you can detect whether someone else's computer 
has Adobe Reader installed (and optionally, which version)?

If so, then are you planning on detecting this from within JavaScript, 
from within a PDF, from your server before any files are served, or 
something else...?

jd





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Re: jQuery??

2007-02-07 Thread Rey Bango

Hi Judah. This is a bad comparison. DomQuery is a DOM/CSS selector which
can be used as an extension to YUI.

A true comparison would be DomQuery to jQuery's DOM methods, Dojo's
dojo.query() or Dean Edward's cssQuery.

Rey

Judah McAuley wrote:
For those of you that are interested in jQuery, I might suggest that you
take a look at DomQuery by Jack Slocum.

http://www.jackslocum.com/blog/2007/01/11/domquery-css-selector-basic-xpath-implementation-with-benchmarks/

Judah

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Re: ANN: cfFramework.com interviews

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Sent: Wed Feb 07 19:03:18 2007
Subject: ANN: cfFramework.com interviews

In case anyone has missed the news we have recently started
interviewing some CF frameworks 'gurus' over on
http://cfFrameworks.com/

Brian Rinaldi:  http://wapurl.co.uk/?TFLIUJX OR
http://cfframeworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/1/29/cfframeworks-Interview-with
-Brian-Rinaldi

Peter Bell: http://wapurl.co.uk/?LBNT69J OR
http://cfframeworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/7/cfFrameworks-Interview-Peter
-Bell-on-Lightwire-and-frameworks

We have Sean Corfield and Mark Mandel coming soon with Ray Camden,
Isaac Dealey, Luis Majano and Barney Boisvert lined up.


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RE: Uploading files to one server, propgating them to many. Was: Client variables? reliable enough?

2007-02-07 Thread Andrew Tyrone

 My company currently has multiple load balanced web servers. 
 Each time we
 deploy code, we have to manually FTP it to each server. We'd 
 love to be able
 to upload (or SVN) code to one location and have an automated 
 process to
 replicate the code to the other servers.

I've used Super Flexible File Synchronizer on a couple of projects:

http://www.superflexible.com/

Andy


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Re: Detect Acrobat Reader Installation

2007-02-07 Thread Walter Conti

John, I need to detect it from the server before any files are served.
Client side could also be interesting, just to know ...
Thank you
contiW


-
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has Adobe Reader installed (and optionally, which version)?

If so, then are you planning on detecting this from within JavaScript, 
from within a PDF, from your server before any files are served, or 
something else...?

jd





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Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?