RE: MACR Stock price?
#1 Maybe you are right, but considering how low the volume of mail on this list is over the holidays you are just being rude. #2 If you feel so strongly about #1 then why even add your #2 theory? #3 Whose fault is it that you have a 14.4k download? To cheap to spring for a decent modem? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? #1 - I am certain this thread is off topic. I don't need my .5 MB POP freemail account getting overrun by useless grousing and carrying on. It's bad enough I have to put up with the pro-Fusebox threads, those zealots. I am sick of having to wait 6 hours to download all my mail over my 14.4 K connection, so cut it out you meanies. #2 - The stock price is up because I have been seeding investment mailing lists with false rumors about MM preparing for a major IP lawsuit against companies using Linux with the Gimp installed. I alledge the Gimp uses a series of headers in the Linux kernel directly ripped from Videoworks in the early 90's, and that MM is entitled to licensing fees of up to $30,000 per use of infringing code. If you look on Motley Fool, the conversation I have been having with myself under 5 different identities is that this 'big lawsuit' is a major risk for investors, but the potential for returns is in the millions per share. Look for that stock price to hit $280 soon. M -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/30/2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? Maybe its just the January effect.Historically, the market goes up a bit in january every year while Financial Planners and people do last minute investing before tax returns. or, maybe I dont know what im talkign about, just repeating what I heard on CNN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: MACR Stock price? At latest sale the MACR stock was at $18.40 -- up 2.24% today. I bought some MACR shares 5 days ago for $17.94 -- and am quite happy. I expected the price to increase gradually to the $22 range. Any ideas why the stock is going up so rapidly? (Other than the excellent company and superior products) TIA Dick _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: MACR Stock price?
Hehehehe.. It's true. But this is my last day.. Check the new signature. Adam Wayne Lehman Tim's New Bitch The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S. Department of State or any affiliated organization(s).Nor have these opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958. -Original Message- From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? He must work in the education sector. We al know those pikers don't make any money :) -- Tim The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S. Department of State or any affiliated organization(s).Nor have these opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? #1 Maybe you are right, but considering how low the volume of mail on this list is over the holidays you are just being rude. #2 If you feel so strongly about #1 then why even add your #2 theory? #3 Whose fault is it that you have a 14.4k download? To cheap to spring for a decent modem? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? #1 - I am certain this thread is off topic. I don't need my .5 MB POP freemail account getting overrun by useless grousing and carrying on. It's bad enough I have to put up with the pro-Fusebox threads, those zealots. I am sick of having to wait 6 hours to download all my mail over my 14.4 K connection, so cut it out you meanies. #2 - The stock price is up because I have been seeding investment mailing lists with false rumors about MM preparing for a major IP lawsuit against companies using Linux with the Gimp installed. I alledge the Gimp uses a series of headers in the Linux kernel directly ripped from Videoworks in the early 90's, and that MM is entitled to licensing fees of up to $30,000 per use of infringing code. If you look on Motley Fool, the conversation I have been having with myself under 5 different identities is that this 'big lawsuit' is a major risk for investors, but the potential for returns is in the millions per share. Look for that stock price to hit $280 soon. M -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/30/2003 11:17 AM To: CF-Talk Cc: Subject: RE: MACR Stock price? Maybe its just the January effect.Historically, the market goes up a bit in january every year while Financial Planners and people do last minute investing before tax returns. or, maybe I dont know what im talkign about, just repeating what I heard on CNN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: MACR Stock price? At latest sale the MACR stock was at $18.40 -- up 2.24% today. I bought some MACR shares 5 days ago for $17.94 -- and am quite happy. I expected the price to increase gradually to the $22 range. Any ideas why the stock is going up so rapidly? (Other than the excellent company and superior products) TIA Dick _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CF Hosting installing CFX tags
What about utilizing java classes? How fast are you to take down the server when updating a class path? Or do all the classes go in one common folder? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting installing CFX tags A hosting company that doesn't consider adding CFX tags for a client doesn't really understand ColdFusion, and I'd wonder whether they're serious about supporting it. There are two main concerns with CFX tags - [A]are there likely to be any consequences for other clients of the misuse of this CFX tag?(for example heavy use of the processor, hogging the RAM perhaps, opening up security holes),and [B] since it's installed and available to anyone on the system,what if other clients start using the CFX tag?Will there be any consequences then? Copyright/licensing issues perhaps?Misuse or incorrect use leading to the sorts of problems described above. For the vast majority of CFX tags, these aren't issues and we'd just install them and let the client go ahead and use them.For some we'd want to take a little while and test them or verify the licensing etc. It also depends somewhat on the client.Some clients shouldn't really be allowed to walk the streets without a nanny holding their hands, others know what they're doing and you can leave them to their own devices. But in short, we'd consider any CFX tag (or CFC, mapping, DSN, or any other CFAdministrator settingtoo if it comes to that) and decide whether to do what's asked depending on the circumstances.If the answer has to be 'no', we'll try to find an alternative way to do what the client wants. The default answer is YES.(Unlike when I started hosting - my first sites were at SHANJE.COM where the default answer is NO!and the exception answer is YOU'D BE KIDDING! -NOT A CHANCE!) Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com _ From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2003 5:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Hosting What is the consensus on the use of custom tags/cfx tags with most CF hosts? Do most work with you? Will they review its use before implementing it? Any thoughts would be appreciated. ~Che _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Quiz builder?
Matt, I'd be very interested to see a demo. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Quiz builder? Joe Hobson wrote: I've been looking for a nice quiz/test builder for an online course system I've got this built into the user-friendly form builder in CMPro.Its something I built for a client's online continuing education and left in the retail product.It was meant to run the whole show, though; a basic course management system whereby instructors can create content for their students, and where everyone has to be permissioned properly to see or edit stuff (i.e. instructors can only edit their own stuff, students can only see what they've signed up for). If a student passes a test a course completion certificate can be gotten hold of; the user has a course list showing what courses they have enrolled in etc. etc.Questions can be weighted so you don't have to have an absolute right or wrong answer. Police officers should: A. Protect and serve the public trust+100 B. Lay off the donuts and eat right+5 C. Polish their badges until shiny+0 D. Shoot first and ask questions later-100 It'll also accept and evaluate case sensitive/insensitive text input. The demo is offline as we get ready to roll out CMProV.3.I can arrange for a private one if you like.Contact me off list if you're interested. Cheers, -- --- Matt Robertson,[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Quiz builder?
I don't see how XML would really help. You're still having to run complicated queries to generate the XML, then asking CF to parse. In most quiz applications a random display and question pool is common so caching the xml wouldn't be beneficial either. What am I missing here? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jeremy Brodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:Quiz builder? Joe, If you're looking to build one from sratch you might want to take a look at using XML to send and retieve information from the database. Christopher Lomvardias has a good presentation on this subject at http://www.cfug-md.org/talks/mdcfug_2003December.ppt. Its a bit heavy on the database site, however, doing it this way will save a lot of time building the application. He does a great job explaining how this would work for a situation such as yours. (and doing it this way will save a tremendous amount of code-- doing it without XML would involve complicated querries and quite a bit of CF logic to display the page properly!) Bascially, the hard part of creating any quiz is generating the checkboxes, radio button and the select lists -- and generating XML is a clean fast way of moving this information in and out of the database, espcally if you have 20-30 questions in your quiz. On the creation side, you might want to look at using a bit of _javascript_ to add the elements you'll need to add checkboxes, select lists and radio buttons. Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE I've been looking for a nice quiz/test builder for an online course system i'm working on and can't seem to find one, at least not one for ColdFusion. Anyone come across anything like this? I'd rather buy some open code than write it myself, too many other things to work on right now. Most of what i see out there are poll generators though, nothing for quizzes or tests. If you know where i can find it, or would like to sell what you've made, please contact me. Thanks!!! ... .joe _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Quiz builder?
Right right. Sorry to confuse, I understand _how_ it can be done. Im just having a hard time believing you database speeds will be much faster if at all. A major issue I have with this type of solution is that your view is buried now in stored procedures. The application will be locked into using HTML for display. Let alone this XML solution wouldnt work at all for a Flash front end. How many designers do you know who will work within stored procedures? Using XML this way is not for every application -- but when you have an application with a lot of similar inserts and selects this is a viable option in the toolkit. Where are you seeing these similar inserts and selects? If a standard quiz has a pool of say 50 questions. Only 25 are display in random order. Multiple choice questions have their answers displayed in random order. A student takes this test, but you are only saving the 25 answers they selected. It would be very rare for one users database result and insert to match up with anothers. Why not just create a quiz object, populate it with a stored procedure call and throw it into application scope? You hit the DB only once to create the initial object, and then once each time you save the results. Then you are open to trow a faade in between the object and the display to port to Flash, HTML or whatever. How is CF still not parsing XML? It would have to parse the XML to get to the HTML within. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jeremy Brodie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:Quiz builder? Adam, One of things you can do within SQL server 2000 is build the HTML for the checkbox, radio buttons and select options directly in the database without CF having to parse the information. ( I think this is possible within Oracle 9i as well-- the commands and techniques are different) To see why this could be an easier process let's take a look at the alternatives. Requirements: 1) You need to answser 20 questions, they of any form type 2) Users need to save the information for later... i.e they can take the quiz and go back an hour later 3) Your administrative section needs to provide a interface allowing quiz questions to be added, modified and deleted. You also need to weigh the questions as well for scoring purposes. 4) You need to provide quiz administrators with reporting on the users results Quiz creation a) Non XML way: Based upon a selectionyou will need to querry the database for questions and answers. Pulling the answers from a single query (and mulitple joins) you'll check if there are more than one record in the database query. If there its a checkbox, radio list or select box, then you will need to supress the question and provide the user with the answer. b) Using XML, on the database side, configure the XML query so you are pulling direct HTML (there is no processing on the CF side, it just pulls whatever provided by the database). If there is no answers then in the stored proceedure write out the Textbox or input tags directly. For radio buttons, check boxes and select lists, created a nested XML structure containing the questions and the answers outputting the information as straight HTML (so the XML would be your option or input tags). Quiz display For displaying answers for each question the NON-XML method would involve running two querries-- one against a reporting database and the other against the question list. CF would then compare the results to see if we need to merge the two items. Even if we were doing one question at a time and saving the question number, as in a pool of question, this would still involve querrying the entire database every time (or be a drain on resources of a lot of people were using Q of Q functionality to do the same). Using the XML way (in SQL server 2000), create a table object containing the questions and the correct answer. This way the output can contain the answer or checked box as needed. By using database functions to randomize and pool the functions, one can reduce the laod on the database server while also easing the parsing by using XML. Inserting answers into the reporting database Inserts work in the same way-- by placing the data into a table datatype one can quickly move information into the database (obv.. you'll place the the document into the proper format by turing the results into XML), into the right fields 20 questions at a time-- this way the database does not have to process 20 insert questions at a time -- less chance of a deadlock if you have quite a number of customers on the site. You'll note that I could of saved the user's information as a session variable and choose not to do it this way. Even using a structure to determine the question answer pair -- a customer taking the quiz could not take the quiz later on without taking
RE: MLS cfc or custom tag.
Dwayne, As a former Realtor I can say that MLS is private data. (Although I haven't had my license in a while) As far I knew, only licensed Realtors we're allowed direct access to that data. (And even they pay a monthly fee). MLS being populated by Realtors themselves has to remain private or else no one would need the Realtor. You could just do all your searching online and contact owners directly. Then you get into the gray area of 'Should the Realtor receive their percentage if they didn't bring the seller and the buyer together?' I _can_ say that the national MLS system that Realtors use is CF based. (It's slow as crap though) However, if you do discover a service or anything they are offering to the public, I'll gladly help in writing a CFC. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dwayne Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: MLS cfc or custom tag. Good luck Dwayne!MLS is copyrighted proprietary data.Pretty much you can't get it without paying for it =) - Rick The company is already paying access to the data as well as access to the online system.There are various ways that they can download comma delimited version of the information, in fact I even think there is a RSS feed that's made available. I just can't find the specifics. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [OT] Looking for some pre-build solutions
If you want a free solution then the best bbs is phpbb2 (http://www.phpbb.com/) If you have the money to spend I def recommend the new FuseTalk. The new version that is in beta is really nice. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: [OT] Looking for some pre-build solutions Before we go about re-inventing the wheel in my office, we'd like to find a couple of tools that would help us out a lot. First, does anyone know of a discussion board product similar to Phorum (PHP) or wwwboard (Perl)?We're using wwwboard right now, but we're not happy with its feature set or the security problems it introduces when working with our site. Second, how about a web-based project/task management or tracking tool? _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Problem with CFC
Looks like your original post got cut. what does the code look it? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Problem with CFC Okay... I obviously need another set of eyes here... FYI I'm running CFMX 6.1 on Win2k I've written a CFC that I'm trying to debug and so I've taken it down to the absolute simplest... it looks like this: _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Double Quotes in a String
input type=text value=#replace(string, chr(34), '##34;', 'all')# Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Double Quotes in a String How can one output a string that contains double quotes as a input value? For Example: string = 'I just read ABC Journal, it was great.' cfoutput input type=text name=statement value=#string# /cfoutput This will just display 'I just read ' in the input box, stopping at the first double quote. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA Confidentiality Notice:This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I Hate QoQ
The dump shows everything as expected: query COURSEID ENDDATE FACULTY ISPUBLIC OFFERINGID STARTDATE TITLE URL USERLEVEL 1 103 2003-12-19 00:00:00.0 Segui-Gomez 1 111 2003-10-27 00:00:00.0 Confronting the Burden of Injuries http://distance.jhsph.edu/burden/ 60 2 83 2003-12-19 00:00:00.0 Reinke, Tayback 1 105 2003-09-02 00:00:00.0 Health Administration Statistics http://distance.jhsph.edu/has/ 60 I think the issue may be that this query is hand-rolled in CF with queryNew() and querySetCell() rather than coming directly from a datasource. Regardless of whether I treat isPublic as numeric or string I get the error. Are there any know issues with using query of query with a query created in CF? Being that I create the query myself there is now way for isPublic = NULL. The following query throws the same error, even without a WHERE clause! cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT * FROM involved /cfquery As for naming the QoQ after the same query I am querying, I've used this method before to filter queries without problem. Just to be sure however I've chanced the query name to be separate from the new query.. still got the error. So I'm getting the feeling that you can't run a QoQ on a query that CF created. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ whats a cfdump of the original query return? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I Hate QoQ So any idea why this very simple QoQ won't work? ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = 1 /cfquery isPublic is a valid column name, and the values are either 0 or 1. This is the error I get: Query Of Queries runtime error. Unsupported Date type conversion in Query of Queries. I've tried the follow too in case some reason it converted to string, but alas same error: ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = '1' /cfquery Any ideas? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I Hate QoQ
No it's def doable. I actually do it all the time to save variable namespace. I'm not an expert but I assume that it creates an instance of query then overwrites the original query when it's completed. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ How can you overwrite a query that you are in the process of creating? Wouldn't the cfquery tag overwrite an existing query before it got to the actual sql?In which case, wouldn't if have problems reading data from a query that is in flux? Don't know why, but building a query like this just seems to look like an infinite loop to me because even if it did work, it would always be selecting data from it's self. Just my .02 Steve -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ I'm not sure it is the problem, wouldn't it just overwrite the query? Ade -Original Message- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2003 13:41 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ How can you QofQ a query of the same name as the one you are executing? cfquery dbtype=query name=involved --- Name of Query SELECT isPublic FROM involved --- Name of query you are taking from. Change one, I'll bet your problem goes away. _ From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I Hate QoQ So any idea why this very simple QoQ won't work? ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = 1 /cfquery isPublic is a valid column name, and the values are either 0 or 1. This is the error I get: Query Of Queries runtime error. Unsupported Date type conversion in Query of Queries. I've tried the follow too in case some reason it converted to string, but alas same error: ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = '1' /cfquery Any ideas? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I Hate QoQ
Just for quell and speculation the following query throws the error: ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=myBrandNewQuery SELECT * FROM involved /cfquery Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ How can you overwrite a query that you are in the process of creating? Wouldn't the cfquery tag overwrite an existing query before it got to the actual sql?In which case, wouldn't if have problems reading data from a query that is in flux? Don't know why, but building a query like this just seems to look like an infinite loop to me because even if it did work, it would always be selecting data from it's self. Just my .02 Steve -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ I'm not sure it is the problem, wouldn't it just overwrite the query? Ade -Original Message- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2003 13:41 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ How can you QofQ a query of the same name as the one you are executing? cfquery dbtype=query name=involved --- Name of Query SELECT isPublic FROM involved --- Name of query you are taking from. Change one, I'll bet your problem goes away. _ From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I Hate QoQ So any idea why this very simple QoQ won't work? ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = 1 /cfquery isPublic is a valid column name, and the values are either 0 or 1. This is the error I get: Query Of Queries runtime error. Unsupported Date type conversion in Query of Queries. I've tried the follow too in case some reason it converted to string, but alas same error: ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = '1' /cfquery Any ideas? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: I Hate QoQ
Yup. Still got there error. If you noticed in my message even a query without a WHERE clause throws the error! Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ SInce you're creating the query yourself with CF and CF doesn't care about dataatypes, have you tried using single quotes around the qualifier in your SQL? Perhaps the column you're selecting from isn't an int datatype in this case and needs the quotes. (Just a guess) cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = '1' /cfquery Greg -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ The dump shows everything as expected: query COURSEID ENDDATE FACULTY ISPUBLIC OFFERINGID STARTDATE TITLE URL USERLEVEL 1 103 2003-12-19 00:00:00.0 Segui-Gomez 1 111 2003-10-27 00:00:00.0 Confronting the Burden of Injuries http://distance.jhsph.edu/burden/ 60 2 83 2003-12-19 00:00:00.0 Reinke, Tayback 1 105 2003-09-02 00:00:00.0 Health Administration Statistics http://distance.jhsph.edu/has/ 60 I think the issue may be that this query is hand-rolled in CF with queryNew() and querySetCell() rather than coming directly from a datasource. Regardless of whether I treat isPublic as numeric or string I get the error. Are there any know issues with using query of query with a query created in CF? Being that I create the query myself there is now way for isPublic = NULL. The following query throws the same error, even without a WHERE clause! cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT * FROM involved /cfquery As for naming the QoQ after the same query I am querying, I've used this method before to filter queries without problem. Just to be sure however I've chanced the query name to be separate from the new query.. still got the error. So I'm getting the feeling that you can't run a QoQ on a query that CF created. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I Hate QoQ whats a cfdump of the original query return? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I Hate QoQ So any idea why this very simple QoQ won't work? ! filter query isPublic is a valid column name, and the values are either 0 or 1. This is the error I get: Query Of Queries runtime error. Unsupported Date type conversion in Query of Queries. I've tried the follow too in case some reason it converted to string, but alas same error: ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = '1' /cfquery Any ideas? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Do you apply tax after shipping costs?
No, that's a good question. I think Tony is right cuz you pay taxes on goods, not services. Right? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Do you apply tax after shipping costs? Shows you how often I do commercial sites. ;-) Do you apply applicable taxes before or after the shipping costs? Thanks! Stace AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
I Hate QoQ
So any idea why this very simple QoQ won't work? ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = 1 /cfquery isPublic is a valid column name, and the values are either 0 or 1. This is the error I get: Query Of Queries runtime error. Unsupported Date type conversion in Query of Queries. I've tried the follow too in case some reason it converted to string, but alas same error: ! filter query cfquery dbtype=query name=involved SELECT isPublic FROM involved WHERE isPublic = '1' /cfquery Any ideas? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Another CFML app server...
Dear FuseBox Users, No one uses cfcase/cfswitch. So It's not supported in Coral. Seriously though. they only support like 25 tags! You'd be better off just learning the ASP equivalents and calling it a day! Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... A the links seemed to work for me as well. I kinda like the idea of this... From: Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:36:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from houseoffusion.com ([64.118.64.245]) by mc5-f39.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:41:33 -0800 Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOSTwith ESMTP id 9EF0D689E3AD1E40A2C3F72EDF6FB058Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:39:33 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGZZGSE3Ub5y1wF09VcJMdd Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 16:41:41.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ED08F80:01C3BA85] What doesn't work? I just bounced through it all and downloaded it. -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... Chickens. -Original Message- From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Another CFML app server... I think its been removed :) On 4/12/03 3:04 pm, Gabriel Robichaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow... the site must be down, i was able to view it all this am. Gabriel -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Another CFML app server... I would like to try it, but none of the links work on the site ;) Tim Blair wrote: Morning, Has anyone seen this before: http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/ It's a new one on me... Tim. --- RAWNET LTD - Internet, New Media and ebusiness Gurus. Visit our new website at http://www.rawnet.com for more information about our company, or call us free anytime on 0800 294 24 24. --- Tim Blair Web Application Engineer, Rawnet Limited Direct Phone : +44 (0) 1344 393 441 Switchboard : +44 (0) 1344 393 040 --- This message may contain information which is legally privileged and/or confidential.If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information is strictly prohibited. Such notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions, information or conclusions expressed in this message are those of the originator, not of rawnet limited, unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated by an authorised representative of rawnet limited. --- _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT Flex beta
My only issue is that MAX was heavily focused on Flex. MM got a good vibe going, but everyday that passes that I can't get my hands on it, I'm less and less motivated to embrace it. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT Flex beta 1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) I've heard that too, but I am not worried yet - price really has not been finalized. The Enterprise market is definitely a target for Flex, and thus the perceptions and concerns. At MAX I heard Libby tell someone who voiced price concerns we have not forgotten where we came from, which to me means that it will not be priced like IBM WebSphere and BEA WebLogic. But, again, it has to be finalized and announced. 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one It's smallish for now, starting small and gradually growing (much like we've done with CF beta programs in the past). 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. I don't know the selection criteria, but I have seen the list (or part of it), and lots of the names that you'd expect are indeed on it, they just can't tell you so. :-) I'll post more when I have more to say. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT Flex beta That makes me feel better. All I've been hearing from people till it was brought up was rejections. As for what I'm hearing from people, here are a few: 1. Flex will be a big cost, enterprise only thing out of the reach of the standard developer (a la Breeze) 2. The Flex beta support team is a small one 3. That X people were rejected and it doesn't seem like they're accepting people who would really help make it a real programming product. There are other concerns that I've heard from fewer people that are sure to come out but those are some of the top. Michael, Actually, I just looked at the list of current beta members are there are quite a few CFers there, so if you need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project, yes, there is. The beta for now is a small group, and proportionally CF is very well represented (by both CF users and organizations that are heavy CF users). Less then 10% of the beta applications have been accepted at this point, but I understand that it will gradually be opened up to more and more people. As for the some of the fears I've been hearing from people that you seek to allay, do you care to be more specific? --- Ben -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT Flex beta If anyone in the ColdFusion community has been accepted to the Flex beta program, could you please join the HoF Flex mailing list and just say hi. I just want to know that someone in the community has been accepted. Everyone I've talked to, including some of the top names in the community, has been rejected. I just need to know that at least one CF programmer is in on this project. It'll also go far in allaying some of the fears I've been hearing from people. Thanks P.S. Please respond on the Flex list. Thanks -- Michael Dinowitz Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had yet _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Another CFML app server...
Sorry. This whole thing seems a little backwoods to me. I'll admit I'm superficial about this sort of thing, but I'm not about to use a webserver from a company who has such a crappy site. The information about the server so far is misleading at best. Not a single person on their staff is here to comment to the community? Or bother to make an official announcement? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... At 03:24 PM 12/4/03 -0500, Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: Seriously though. they only support like 25 tags! You'd be better off just learning the ASP equivalents and calling it a day! 24 by my count (I'm ignoring cflock since it isn't needed.) cfabort cfapplication cfbreak cfcookie cfdirectory cfexecute cffile cfhttp cfif cfelse cfelseif cfinclude cflocation cflock not required in Coral cfloop cfmail cfoutput cfparam cfpop cfprocessingdirective cfquery cfscript cfset cftransaction cftry/cfcatch While it could be better, it is a start - we should be encouraging this sort of thing, I think. T Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... A the links seemed to work for me as well. I kinda like the idea of this... From: Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:36:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from houseoffusion.com ([64.118.64.245]) by mc5-f39.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:41:33 -0800 Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOSTwith ESMTP id 9EF0D689E3AD1E40A2C3F72EDF6FB058Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:39:33 -0500 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGZZGSE3Ub5y1wF09VcJMdd Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2003 16:41:41.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ED08F80:01C3BA85] What doesn't work? I just bounced through it all and downloaded it. -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Another CFML app server... Chickens. -Original Message- From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Another CFML app server... I think its been removed :) On 4/12/03 3:04 pm, Gabriel Robichaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow... the site must be down, i was able to view it all this am. Gabriel -Original Message- From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Another CFML app server... I would like to try it, but none of the links work on the site ;) Tim Blair wrote: Morning, Has anyone seen this before: http://www.pcaonline.com/coral/ It's a new one on me... Tim. --- RAWNET LTD - Internet, New Media and ebusiness Gurus. Visit our new website at http://www.rawnet.com for more information about our company, or call us free anytime on 0800 294 24 24. --- Tim Blair Web Application Engineer, Rawnet Limited Direct Phone : +44 (0) 1344 393 441 Switchboard : +44 (0) 1344 393 040 --- This message may contain information which is legally privileged and/or confidential.If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information is strictly prohibited. Such notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions, information or conclusions expressed in this message are those of the originator, not of rawnet limited, unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated by an authorised representative of rawnet limited. --- _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Safari Issues
As I fully agree with the concept of web standards, I see it very much like world peace. It's just a concept not a reality. I think its best not to code for browsers _or_ web standards, but better to code for the users. Having a site with un-selectable text may be traced back to an issue with how IE renders HTML, but I feel it's irresponsible that the developers of webstandards.org would knowingly put their ideals before the user experience. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Safari Issues Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: Aside from the title of that two paragraph article. What is that supposed to mean? It is supposed to mean that you shouldn't code for the idiosyncracies of a browser, but for standards. HTML is a 2 way contract: browsers may expect a website to deliver valid HTML, website builders may expect a browser to understand valid HTML. If I wrote an article on that site it would be titled 'Dear Web Standards: Not Being Able To Select Text Is Retarded' (as I can't seem to be able to select text in IE, but can in Safari) You need to file a bug with Microsoft. Good luck ;-) Jochem -- Who needs virtual reality if you can just dream? - Loesje _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Safari Issues
That is a great quote from Shaw. Your def right being that they are 'webstandards.org', I'm just not sure who would/should follow their lead. I once took over a contract where the client's site was having horrible HTML display issues across the browsers. When the client contacted noted these issues to the original vendor, the vendor responded File a bug report with MS, it's not our problem. If everyone would just email Bill Gates and complain, your website would work across browsers. Needless to say that vendor was fired. But rather than web standards, why not limit the techniques or features if they are not cross browser compliant. Rather than blindly use things that won't work, why not boycott them. I dunno, as a mid 90s web developer I've always assumed it part of my job to ensure cross browser compatibility. This whole web standards thing just seems like a bunch of lazy developers to me. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Safari Issues As I fully agree with the concept of web standards, I see it very much like world peace. It's just a concept not a reality. I think its best not to code for browsers _or_ web standards, but better to code for the users. For most websites, I'd probably agree with you, but if someone doesn't push for standards-based HTML, we'll be stuck with the status quo, which really sucks. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw Having a site with un-selectable text may be traced back to an issue with how IE renders HTML, but I feel it's irresponsible that the developers of webstandards.org would knowingly put their ideals before the user experience. Normally, I would agree with you, but after all, this is webstandards.org. Their entire reason for being is ... web standards! If they were to make compromises to deal with IE deficiencies, that wouldn't say very much for them, now would it? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Safari Issues
A good rule of thumb I've found is that Safari closely resembles IE's _javascript_/DOM. If it works on IE, it usually works on safari. What type of errors are you getting from Safari clients? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Safari Issues The only things I've seen are a few CSS quirks and the obvious lack of ActiveX capability. I haven't spent a whole lot of time at it though. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Safari Issues Has anyone had any problems with their sites from users that are using the Safari browser? I am getting several errors a day from Safari users, but when I try to duplicate them with a powerbook I have access to, I cannot get them to occur. Is there anything different about that browser than IE and Netscape? Thanks, Bruce _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Resize Image ?
Just change the height and width attributes in the img tag. It's really your only option if you want to use the same source file. (Although Rachel would kill me if I didn't mention that the width, height and border should be defined in CSS _not_ within the tag) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Resize Image ? Oh sorry I should have been more specific... I need to resize it on a webpage... But I do not want to have two separate images I would like to use just one source. I was wondering if there is some other way to resize a jpg without losing its quality. - Neal Bailey -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Resize Image ? using cf? or something like photoshop? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Resize Image ? Hey guys, Is there a way to resize an image to be smaller with out it loosing quality and becoming jagged? Meaning if I have an image that is 120x120px and I want to resize it to 100x100px without loading two different images. Does this make sense... I want to use just one image but I need to show it into two places one being a little smaller. Thanks, - Neal Bailey _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Safari Issues
Bruce,
I'm sure you have already done this, but just in case: Make sure to
check your browser sniffing code to allow for Safari. Previously I only
determined the difference between IE and Netscape by searching for
'MSIE' in the agent. Worked great when there were only two stipulations.
On the CF side I use something like this:
! browser detect
cfif find('MSIE', CGI.HTTP_USER_AGENT) OR find('Safari',
CGI.HTTP_USER_AGENT)
cfset browser = ie
cfelse
cfset browser=net
/cfif
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Safari Issues
They are using the latest. I have confirmed that.
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From: David Fafard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Safari Issues
Make sure it's the lastest build of Safari.
Safari 1.1 ??? If memory serves me, I recall an
issue with _javascript_ values not being passed
with older versions.
HTH,
Dave
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Sorge
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:38 PM
Subject: RE: Safari Issues
Since I cannot use session or client variables on this site (that is a
whole
other discussion), I have to use a frame set, and then I use form
and/or
URL
variables for session state. The biggest problem is that some form
variables or URL variables are not being passed. At first I thought
that
maybe the users were disabling JS, which I am using for form field
validation, but then I remember that I have other checks in the system
to
trap these errors for user who disabled JS. Besides, one part that I
have
on
the site uses the two select related tags, so they have to enable JS
to
make
that work or they will never be able to register. So I am at a loss as
to
what could be causing these issues. At first I was not concerned, but
since
M$ has announced there will be no new upgrades to the MAC version of
IE,
and
Apple has come out with Safari, it is a big enough problem that I have
to
start being concerned.
Thanks,
Bruce
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From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Safari Issues
A good rule of thumb I've found is that Safari closely resembles IE's
_javascript_/DOM. If it works on IE, it usually works on safari.
What type of errors are you getting from Safari clients?
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Safari Issues
The only things I've seen are a few CSS quirks and the obvious lack of
ActiveX capability. I haven't spent a whole lot of time at it though.
-Kevin
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: Safari Issues
Has anyone had any problems with their sites from users that are
using
the
Safari browser? I am getting several errors a day from Safari users,
but
when I try to duplicate them with a powerbook I have access to, I
cannot
get
them to occur. Is there anything different about that browser than
IE
and
Netscape?
Thanks,
Bruce
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RE: Resize Image ?
style type=text/css
.myImage
{
border: 1px solid #00;
width: 100px;
height: 100px;
}
/style
img src="" gfx/myImage.gif class=myImage
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Brrrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Resize Image ?
Ahhh... new information.
Okay Rachel... an example css call out please?
thanks
At 03:08 PM 11/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
Just change the height and width attributes in the img tag. It's
really your only option if you want to use the same source file.
(Although Rachel would kill me if I didn't mention that the width,
height and border should be defined in CSS _not_ within the tag)
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Resize Image ?
Oh sorry I should have been more specific...
I need to resize it on a webpage... But I do not want to have two
separate
images I would like to use just one source. I was wondering if there is
some
other way to resize a jpg without losing its quality.
- Neal Bailey
-Original Message-
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Resize Image ?
using cf? or something like photoshop?
...tony
tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337
-Original Message-
From: Bailey, Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Resize Image ?
Hey guys,
Is there a way to resize an image to be smaller with out it loosing
quality
and becoming jagged? Meaning if I have an image that is 120x120px and I
want
to resize it to 100x100px without loading two different images. Does
this
make sense...
I want to use just one image but I need to show it into two places one
being
a little smaller.
Thanks,
- Neal Bailey
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RE: Resize Image ?
John is right. Only non-progressive JPGs in Flash. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: John Burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Resize Image ? Can you load .gif files into flash?I thought it was just JPEG? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Resize Image ? ok screw it, do it in flash with a coldfusion back end like my gfs site http://www.4best-friends.com/ go to photo page, actually that was easier to do with flash cfm then it is doing it in just cfm if you give them correct porportions they shouldnt heres a simple one i did http://www.theholegang.com/ other than ppl uploading diffent sized images its ok well at least to me, but im blonde too -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Resize Image ? its simple, just make your image place holder the size u want the image to be, i do that instead of thumbnails all the time ;) Hey guys, Is there a way to resize an image to be smaller with out it loosing quality and becoming jagged? Meaning if I have an image that is 120x120px and I want to resize it to 100x100px without loading two different images. Does this make sense... I want to use just one image but I need to show it into two places one being a little smaller. Thanks, - Neal Bailey _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Safari Issues
Aside from the title of that two paragraph article. What is that supposed to mean? If I wrote an article on that site it would be titled 'Dear Web Standards: Not Being Able To Select Text Is Retarded' (as I can't seem to be able to select text in IE, but can in Safari) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Safari Issues Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: I'm sure you have already done this, but just in case: Make sure to check your browser sniffing code to allow for Safari. Dear Web Developers: Browser Sniffing is Stupid http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2002_12.html#a000123 Jochem -- Who needs virtual reality if you can just dream? - Loesje _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: WDDX, cookies, and Netscape
As far as I know cookies cannot exceed 4k regardless of browser. Which I think is like 256 chars. . I'm positive about the 4k part, but not the 256 char part. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: WDDX, cookies, and Netscape I'm not sure if Netscape has a smaller cookie size tan IE, but why not simply store the value in the session scope? Also, I have a multi-step process custom tag available on my home page that you may like: http://www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry http://www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=39 5FB53 entry=395FB53 7-009C-A8DB-7F53B930936AD58C _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: HoF @ MAX?
Will you guys be hoisting the annual HoF library / discussions at the conference this year? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CF with Bluetooth (RETRACT)
Here's possibly a dumberer question: Why was that a dumb question? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF with Bluetooth (RETRACT) Nevermind dumb question!! WAP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/03 01:17PM Does anyone have any resourcse they can point me to in pushing data to a Bluetooth phone or device that can handle both sending and receiving data to/from a website? TIA! _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: viewing pdf's in mozilla and netscape
No it's not IE-Only. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Ubqtous [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: viewing pdf's in mozilla and netscape Tim, On 11/11/2003 at 15:27, you wrote: TD I'm trying to view pdf files inside a frame... all I'm getting is TD a blank frame in netscape and page can not be displayed in TD mozilla.Here is what I have: iframe height=400 width=100% I thought IFRAME was an IE-only tag ~ Ubqtous ~ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Does CF Studio 4.52 get along with XP Pro or XP Home?
How come you don't want to upgrade? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tom Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Does CF Studio 4.52 get along with XP Pro or XP Home? Dear CF'ers I have been running CF Studio 4.52 for several years on a Win 98 SE machine, using the Personal Web Server. I only develop sites, I do not host. I now need to replace my computer and my question is what problems should I expect with using CF Studio 4.52 with XP Pro or XP Home? I DO NOT want to change from CF Studio 4.52 to a newer upgrade. Thank You Very Much! Tom _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Attempts at banking fraud
You can't. As far as I know ActionPack is licensed for internal use only. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Attempts at banking fraud The only question I have is how to resell under the Action Pack subscription. I am about to close a deal that would involve 3 Windows 2003 servers, SQL Server, and 40 copies of XP. Going through the materials, I still do not know who to call. M -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Attempts at banking fraud The US Action pack also requires you to be a partner, as I am.It is free. All that required was an exchange of email with the MS regional manager, and a telephone call. The main difference between the MS program and the MM reseller programs is that MM requires a substantial up front payment to become a reseller. I have been able to fully utilize the promotional materials and presentations accompanying the action pack from MS to assist in training customers, and it has really enhanced my sales of MS server products.You will receive enough CD-ROM based presentations to satisfy most any presentation need. Another benefit is being able to offer MS software through License Online, where your customer can purchase MS products, (as well as several other products) at attractive discounts, all very legitimate.You are also given access to their mass mail (spam?) marketing list to promote your own services as well as the availability of MS products through you. To me the most exciting new product from MS is actually two products, the first being a fully licensed copy of the new CRM product, which is awesome in itself, but even more exciting is the conferencing software included in the new Office product, that puts MM's Flashcom to shame. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Attempts at banking fraud | In Australia the Microsoft Action Pack is available only to registered | partners.You cannot legally buy the US $299 deal and use it in Australia. | The Action pack is intended to allow the Microsoft Sales Partners to have | fully legit copies of all the latest software, in production environments | (but not web sites) running their businesses on the latest stuff, in order | to be fully conversant with it when they come to talk to potential | customers.It was a clever way to make it more worthwhile for partners to | get the software legitimately than the common practice prevailing before the | action pack was released - namely buy a copy for inventory or for customer | use and make dodgy copies before delivering to customers. | | | | It's a splendid idea I think, because suddenly, all those dealers, | resellers, recommenders had not only legal copies of the products they | normally sell, but the other things they wouldn't normally sell too. Enough | to run a small business on. (Larger businesses could afford to buy their own | copies of software, Microsoft reasons). | | | | I think this is a logic that could prove profitable for Macromedia too.I | develop web sites but every time a new version of software comes out, I have | to pay to buy full copies of everything(Unless I happen to fluke a freebie | at a CFUG meeting!!).If MM want us all to be selling and recommending | their products,what better way than to make sure we're all using the | latest versions of everything? They wouldn't have to do it for free, or | even near-free, as Microsoft has proved.But the MS Action Pack gives the | equivalent of the entire business product line for A$500 a year. | | | | How many of us were reluctant to update to MX2004 products because of the | expense, and the fact that we'd only recently bought MX?How are we all | supposed to talk confidently about MX2004 if we're only using MX ourselves? | | | | | My suggestion?Macromedia start having NFR software available to legit | dealers/resellers.At the moment (as I understand it) it's only available | to partners, who have to pay some thousands of bucks to be partners. Makes | it right out of the ballpark of us small shops. I'm only a one-man business. | I can't afford to pay thousands of dollars for anything, no matter how | desirable. Specially not if it's going to be out of date in a year, as | all software will. | | | | | | | | Cheers
RE: FTP; non-techies using
Thanks. I was hoping to avoid the applet route, but I guess I don't have a choice here. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dennis Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using upload an entire directory at a time and have some sort of idea of how long it's going to take Is my only option here a java applet? When doing an HTTP upload I don't believe that there is any way for the server to know how large the file is until it is uploaded so server side scripting will not accomplish what you want.So to answer your question: Yes a java or activeX applet is most likely your only solution. A Quick search in google turned up these: http://www.jscape.com/ftpapplet/ http://fileup.softartisans.com/default.aspx?PageID=136 http://www.catalyst.com/products/filetransfer/index.html Best regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Web Design and Hosting Company Wolcott, CT 06716 USA tel: (203)879-2844fax: (203)879-6254 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://dennis.uxb.net/ -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Right, however, there are a number of issues with that method which make it a little less than desirable. First the user is limited to the number of input I choose to display on the form. Secondly there is no way to monitor file upload progress. Most users would assume that something is wrong if they have to wait 10 minutes while the browser uploads the file in the background without a page refresh or progress bar. Basically I want the user to be able to upload an entire directory at a time and have some sort of idea of how long it's going to take and whatnot. Is my only option here a java applet? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using I seem to remember a tag that could do this in the MM Exchange. Making a form page to upload multiple files should be easy though. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to browse for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: Good point Rafael. -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using Very good question - some long term experience here: I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger view image...Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store site)... Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and image dimension parameters do you have set up?I provide the specific info in writing to them. I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory that the front end site points to.In that sub, there's a directory for Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will match ona field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure it Out or Fix
RE: FTP; non-techies using
Right, however, there are a number of issues with that method which make it a little less than desirable. First the user is limited to the number of input I choose to display on the form. Secondly there is no way to monitor file upload progress. Most users would assume that something is wrong if they have to wait 10 minutes while the browser uploads the file in the background without a page refresh or progress bar. Basically I want the user to be able to upload an entire directory at a time and have some sort of idea of how long it's going to take and whatnot. Is my only option here a java applet? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using I seem to remember a tag that could do this in the MM Exchange. Making a form page to upload multiple files should be easy though. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to browse for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: Good point Rafael. -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using Very good question - some long term experience here: I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger view image...Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store site)... Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and image dimension parameters do you have set up?I provide the specific info in writing to them. I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory that the front end site points to.In that sub, there's a directory for Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will match ona field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure it Out or Fix it. HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site.Gets his images on CD from each of his manufacturers.SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are TIFF. OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, and some display only half the layering. Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on conversion?I did, for a FEE.Yep. Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than 200x160, and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola...SO I then needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in Photoshop.Again, for a fee. AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is there before I call it... for which I got a fee. So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND written agreement that somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you fix it you get a fee then you're pretty much covered. OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory...and Limit the file type uploads as well... At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this case photos) to their website? quote I will tfp.Just show
RE: FTP; non-techies using
How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to browse for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: Good point Rafael. -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using Very good question - some long term experience here: I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger view image...Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store site)... Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and image dimension parameters do you have set up?I provide the specific info in writing to them. I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory that the front end site points to.In that sub, there's a directory for Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will match ona field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure it Out or Fix it. HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site.Gets his images on CD from each of his manufacturers.SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are TIFF. OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, and some display only half the layering. Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on conversion?I did, for a FEE.Yep. Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than 200x160, and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola...SO I then needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in Photoshop.Again, for a fee. AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is there before I call it... for which I got a fee. So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND written agreement that somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you fix it you get a fee then you're pretty much covered. OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory...and Limit the file type uploads as well... At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this case photos) to their website? quote I will tfp.Just show me how. /quote To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit CFFILE. Just wondering if there's been any disasters. Gil Midonnet -- [ _ -- [ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Macromedia sinks on sales news
I still think Eolas is an ass. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news Wouldn't removing the Flash and remaking the feature in HTML or _javascript_ or something else actually take MORE time than patching the object tag to work with their already functional Flash? I would imagine that the number of lazy folks out there who would stop using a technology rather than patch some code wouldn't add up to a significant number (and probably wouldn't be the customers that Macromedia wants in the first place). Think about it, one line of object code can embed an entire application, what's the likelihood you can recreate that functionality quicker than you can alter that line of code. I didn't suggest it had anything to do with Laziness. Again, there are sites that currently make use of Flash, but not _javascript_. If they are required to start using _javascript_ they well decide not to use Flash. Remember that just because using _javascript_ is no big deal to you doesn't mean there aren't company who have internal directives not to use it for their web site for whatever reason. As far as the browsers implementing the plug-ins as native technology, that's kind of unsettling to me. Knowing the browser vendors' propensity to half-way support even the W3C Standards, do we really want to open up that can of worms? There would be too many issues for that to be a reality. How would you implement Windows Media on a Linux version of Mozilla? You'd start to get even greater fragmentation between browser versions on different platforms, and features would be supported differently and behave differently from browser to browser, OS to OS. I think that the browser makers have enough to do just trying to fully support CSS2 and make their browsers work the same from platform to platform. I wasn't suggesting that Mozilla would embed Windows Media on Linux. I was however suggesting that Microsoft can embed Windows Media directly into IE to solve the problem. In fact, if they did that and provided an alternative to Flash they could lock out their competitors without being anti-competitive. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Matt, If he was suing Netscape Apple I'd think differently. However he's only targeting MS. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) I still think Eolas is an ass. This is now off topic, but I find it interesting that people consider Eolas to some how be evil when every other software company has patents they enforce too. What specifically is your problem with Eolas? They have offered to license their patent to Microsoft, so they are certainly playing fair. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news)
Matt, I definitely agree that the patent system has issue. Personally I don't think it's fair to own a patent on concepts. It just doesn't make sense. I didn't agree that Adobe should be allowed to own the 'toolbar' and I definitely don't think multimedia on a website is worthy of patent.So yeah, I agree he never should have been allowed to patent such a thing, but at the time the patent office was probably not the technologically savvy enough to realize how retarded this patent is. I think US patent laws need to be reformed for software. But Eolas is still only suing MS and that is precisely my issue with him. I don't think he has any intentions of suing Apple and AOL. Which in my book are still pretty big fish. They have openly said they are trying to 'balance the internet browser war'. (ie. We're only going to sue MS) Eolas _did_ offer to sell MS rights, but I have to side with MS's philosophy on this one. I wouldn't pay close to a billion dollars just so IE users can be saved a single click. It's just not cost effective. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT (was Re: Macromedia sinks on sales news) Since there's nothing we can do about it, we just have to use the workaround and hope that Eolas goes belly up. Alternatively, you could get mad at the patent system instead and work to change that instead of wasting time on the latest company exploiting it. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFCs and UDFs
If it can be, it shouldn't be. But, I'm pretty sure it can't. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFCs and UDFs Hey All, Cana UDF be used inside a CFC is the UDF is included in the template that calls the CFC? or the UDF is included via Application.cfm? >From what I've seen it cannot...but mabye my info is off ;-) TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CF Forum 2000
Run, do not walk away from cfForums. It is a curse. It's one of the most poorly written applications I've seen. I've read every single line of code, and my god, it's junk. We had over 30 forums and it was slow and unresponsive. Not to mention debugging the application and/or integrating it is a feat in patience. The code is so disorganized and backasswards. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Forum 2000 Actually - if I remember correctly - CF Forums was never encrypted.So no matter what version you have you should be able to dig in. My main issue with it is that the fundamental codebase for CF Forums was begun with CF 2.0 and was maintained on a oh, do we HAVE to! budget and timeline.It was a fine piece of software 5 or six years ago, but it's age is just too apparent now. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Forum 2000 Yes, maybe, and yes. :) If you are talking about rewriting it I assume you have the open source version. CF Forums main bottleneck is that it uses subqueries to generate the message counts. Get a lot of messages, or a lot of forums and it starts to blow a gasket. It's also been a while and there may be a new version out...so my experience may be outdated here. The key optimizations that needs to be done it start precalculating those topic totals, etc, remove all the looped over queries, then start in caching. In the end I was able to get a forum with 50! forums and over 75,000 messages displaying in sub 100ms times with a single user, before any db optimizations. Under load it did well...can't remember times though. -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, October 17, 2003, 12:21:35 AM, you wrote: RS Hi all, RS Has anyone here implemented a high volume site using CF FORUM 2000? RS We have just inherited one, and am wondering how solid the code is. RS Its a very busy forum, doing about 3 gigs of traffic per day, and its RS started to show signs of breaking down, e.g. deadlock errors, RS timeouts, No more data available to read errors. RS Should I be looking for different forum software? Or re-write the code RS myself? RS Has anyone done an optimisation job on the CFFORUM code and can give a RS few pointers on where the bottlenecks are? RS thanks, bye! _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CF Forum 2000
Uh oh, my bad. I was talking about the old Allaire forums which went open-source. http://www.houseoffusion.com/forumspot Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Forum 2000 Help me out...are we talking about the following forum here??? http://www.cfcode.com/index.cfm/fuse/forumdetails.htm Let me know...Ch -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Forum 2000 Yes but. it looks nice. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Forum 2000 Run, do not walk away from cfForums. It is a curse. It's one of the most poorly written applications I've seen. I've read every single line of code, and my god, it's junk. We had over 30 forums and it was slow and unresponsive. Not to mention debugging the application and/or integrating it is a feat in patience. The code is so disorganized and backasswards. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Forum 2000 Actually - if I remember correctly - CF Forums was never encrypted. So no matter what version you have you should be able to dig in. My main issue with it is that the fundamental codebase for CF Forums was begun with CF 2.0 and was maintained on a oh, do we HAVE to! budget and timeline.It was a fine piece of software 5 or six years ago, but it's age is just too apparent now. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Forum 2000 Yes, maybe, and yes. :) If you are talking about rewriting it I assume you have the open source version. CF Forums main bottleneck is that it uses subqueries to generate the message counts. Get a lot of messages, or a lot of forums and it starts to blow a gasket. It's also been a while and there may be a new version out...so my experience may be outdated here. The key optimizations that needs to be done it start precalculating those topic totals, etc, remove all the looped over queries, then start in caching. In the end I was able to get a forum with 50! forums and over 75,000 messages displaying in sub 100ms times with a single user, before any db optimizations. Under load it did well...can't remember times though. -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, October 17, 2003, 12:21:35 AM, you wrote: RS Hi all, RS Has anyone here implemented a high volume site using CF FORUM 2000? RS We have just inherited one, and am wondering how solid the code is. RS Its a very busy forum, doing about 3 gigs of traffic per day, and its RS started to show signs of breaking down, e.g. deadlock errors, RS timeouts, No more data available to read errors. RS Should I be looking for different forum software? Or re-write the code RS myself? RS Has anyone done an optimisation job on the CFFORUM code and can give a RS few pointers on where the bottlenecks are? RS thanks, bye! _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Merchant Account Suggestions
Stacy, What is your credit card processing service priced out as? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Merchant Account Suggestions Of course I'm biased but I'd have to disagree on that.;-) We provide easy CF integration including fully functional test accounts for our payment gateways. http://www.terrapayments.com http://www.terrapayments.com/ (previously Surefire Commerce) Cheers! Stace _ From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 17, 2003 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Merchant Account Suggestions paypal by far is the easiest. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -Original Message- From: Ricky Fritzsching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Merchant Account Suggestions I have a small business that I am doing an e-commerce application for and they are wanting to setup a merchant/gateway account for the website. I have not had any experience with setting up a this type of an account and I am wondering what are my options. Is there something that is not rather expensive that you have used?I am prepared for the monthly payments and %'s taken out, but there are just so many damn options. All suggestions are welcome.Thank you! --- Ricky Fritzsching _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Antivirus software on web server
Mark, Once get your anti-virus software installed and running on you web server, would you mind sharing with the list what kind of performance impact it creates. Are you planning to run scheduled system scans? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Antivirus software on web server True it probably would show in the task or process lists, but if I were to write a worm/Trojan, I would make it show up in the task list as SVCHOST.exe, the generic name of a DLL process. Mark W. Breneman -Cold Fusion Developer -Network Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Antivirus software on web server Mark W. Breneman wrote: As much as I am opposed to the idea, I am leaning towards installing Norton Antivirus Corporate on all of my web servers. The question was brought up, that how would you ever know if your server was infected without some software scanning. You see it in the task list. And if it does anything besides being there (like trying to spread), you see that in your network traffic. Jochem _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
ADMIN: Double HTML Emails
Since the switch to HTML I have been receiving two copies of every mail. I emailed off list week ago without response. Anyone know how I can fix this? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Looking for Cold Fusion Forum similar to FuseTalk
Michael, When did you pick up forumSpot from the Halleluiah network? Are you keeping to project going? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:Looking for Cold Fusion Forum similar to FuseTalk You mean like the old, free Allaire forums found here: http://houseoffusion.com/forumspot/ I'm looking for alternative Forums that are codedin Cold Fusion like FuseTalk but not as expensive. If anyone knows that would be great. Thanks _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Looking for Cold Fusion Forum similar to FuseTalk
Jim, I couldn't agree more. Hands down the Allaire forums were some of the worst cf code I've ever read. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for Cold Fusion Forum similar to FuseTalk In general I think that we need a good, open-source CF-based Forums system (actually we need good CF-based, open-source lots of things). I'm just not convinced that CFForums is a good foundation to start with. I would be happy, after New Year's, to help out with the effort - but it seems like building a CFMX solution from the ground up may be better (and perhaps even easier). The mission statement could be as simple as match PHPBB.;^) Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:Looking for Cold Fusion Forum similar to FuseTalk I've had it here a while and have been planning to update Forums to CFMX. Other things have gotten in my way. Michael, When did you pick up forumSpot from the Halleluiah network? Are you keeping to project going? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:Looking for Cold Fusion Forum similar to FuseTalk You mean like the old, free Allaire forums found here: http://houseoffusion.com/forumspot/ I'm looking for alternative Forums that are codedin Cold Fusion like FuseTalk but not as expensive. If anyone knows that would be great. Thanks _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: FYI
I was wondering when this thread was going to start. So Adobe patented the toolbar, amazon the 'one click', and now this guy has a patent on embedding multimedia into a web page. Whoever owns the patent on 'being a dick' should sue Eolas for infringement. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: FYI http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/10/07/microsoft.eolas.ap/index.htm l ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: FYI
Because the .js include uses an external file. The key being external. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FYI Can anyone clarify that the reason the js workaround will work is because the lawsuit had only to do with html embedding? If a _javascript_ does the actual embedding, this bypasses the patent? -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 1:58:40 PM, you wrote: CL Here is the link to our Active Content Developer Center to help developers prepare for upcoming changes in Internet Explorer: CLhttp://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/ http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/ CL And the link for our Active Content Update FAQ: CLhttp://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/faq.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent/faq.html CL The Active Content Update Forums (where it is best to discuss this issue): CLhttp://webforums.macromedia.com/activecontent/ http://webforums.macromedia.com/activecontent/ CL Also, Microsoft has quite a bit of information, as well, and you can go ahead and download the Pre-Release Internet Explorer Bits for testing (don't worry -- the actual browser won't be released CL until early next year): CLhttp://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/ CL Hope that helps! CL Christine _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: ...this HTML cf-talk system
Since the switch to HTML, I've been getting double emails. How can I resolve this? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:...this HTML cf-talk system I'm off for Saturdays so I missed the start of this, but I'm on now and will look into it. You can always email me directly with problems. As for the checkbox, I put that in to make the option as clear as possible for people rather than having it buried in a dropdown list (which is from a DB hense the order). The paypal on the other hand is a mystery to me. I expect it's a new thing on their side associated with the donation button, but I don't see how. I'llcheck that as well. It may also be associated with the MM affiliate banners, but again, no clue till I investigate. Hmmm, thanks Angel. Thought I'd ask here first to see if anyone could point me to my obvious mistake first rather than bothering Michael. Given all the wonderfully helpful people on this list it's always good to use this resource first rather than everyone individually pounding Michael with messages. Thanks for you concern though. Ken -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ...this HTML cf-talk system Hmm..perhaps you should follow the directions on the site and send an email to Michael telling him of the problem. Although I'm sure he'll catch this message, that would be amore direct method if you've found a bug. I , for one, love the fact that a few companies have signed on with HTML ads now! ^_^ -Gel -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ...this HTML cf-talk system How about trying to turn it back on and then off again to see if it still works for you? I've been trying for several days and my choice is always ignored. Ken _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Montara Software's Black Knight now availab le
Figures this thread would turn into a debate on 'clean' URLs. All that aside: Matt is there a developer's version I could mess around with? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Montara Software's Black Knight now availab le I must admit, I'm with Thomas, I only like short, descriptive url's. Personal preference maybe, but big long urls with lots seemingly random characters do tend to annoy me. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 October 2003 16:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Montara Software's Black Knight now availab le What horriable URL's Why do you feel that way? What makes them horrible? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 _ [ Todays Threads _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Mach-II
When can we expect a book? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Mach-II What would you like to know, Troy? Hal Helms See halhelms.com for classes in... Java for ColdFusion Programmers Fusebox 4 Mach-II OO Applications with CFCs -Original Message- From: Troy Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Mach-II Anyone know much about this Mach-II Framework? Any Advice? -- Troy Simpson Applications Analyst/Programmer, OCPDBA, MCSE, SCSA North Carolina State University Libraries Campus Box 7111 | Raleigh | North Carolina ph.919.515.3855 | fax.919.513.3330 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
It's a lot easier to install a JVM for IE6 than it is to install a new OS! Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor That would mean that everyone who uses Windows using IE 5.5+, No, because you also have all those using IE on Macs ;-) When one say 95% of IE users, this include about all Mac users. The 5% remaining are not Mac users, but Opera, Mozilla, etc. most people who are using modern browsers such as IE 5.5 certainly do have Java. IE 5.5 yes, but about 60% of users are running version 6 which does not include the Virtual Machine and many of those people won't even try to install it. It is entirely possible that the percentage of people with Java installed is actually higher than the number of people who have IE 5.5+. IMHO it is much probable it is far less than that. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
It took me about 5 seconds to find a java applet wysiwyg. (It's not the greatest, but it is for _everyone_) http://head.sourceforge.net/portrait.html For the IE6 no JVM argument, much like Flash, most vendors will install the JVM before shipping. Additionally the first time a user visits a page requiring a JVM, the user is prompted to download install a VM from Microsoft. The idea that most people don't have Java is just marketing spin from Microsoft. (All the Dell's we've bought with XP had a JVM pre-installed.) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor Why? It seems like most of the editors already support a very common set of features. Most users are not going to be impressed that a Java editor functions the same way on all platforms. I'm sure a Mac user would prefer the editor to function like a native application/widget. I know part of the reason I dislike Macromedia applications is that they do not feel or function like Windows applications. I pretty sure I'm note alone on this. The above perspective seems to apply to desktop applications and not web applications. I believe most users expect a web application to look and behave the same no matter what browser on what platform they are using. Because, instead of writing a relatively simple interface for each different platform, you'd have to write, test, debug, etc. all the functionality yourself. Unless I'm completely off base, I think it would take much more time to write a feature rich, cross platform HTML editor. I'd much rather just leverage the work done by other individuals. I don't have any desire to reinvent the wheel. That all may be true, but it doesn't at all speak to why a Java editor would be more limited as you first stated. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Right. This is one of the fundamental reasons you can't use cfscript
that much. If you wrap Cfthrow in another function (or use the one
Raymond wrote) the error is actually throw from the throw function, not
where you called the function. So the error will always show the lines
of the throw function, not actually throw was called, like it should. Is
there anyway to change this?
Why oh why do we have try/catch but no throw? It's like we got loops
without a break command.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
You _have_ to use cfthrow within test to throw within test.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Bryan,
This is not the same code. All you are doing is returning from a
function
call. You are NOT throwing an exception within test.
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Here is the answer
cftry
!--- This line throws error ---
cfset test1()
cfcatch type=any
cfoutput#test(message=CFCatch Exists -
#IsDefined(cfcatch)#)#/cfoutput
/cfcatch
/cftry
br
cfscript
try {
test1();
}
catch(Any excpt) {
writeoutput(test(message=CFCatch Exists -
#IsDefined(excpt)#));
}
/cfscript
cffunction name=Test
cfargument name=message
cfset myMessage=Arguments.message
cfreturn myMessage
/cffunction
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Bryan,
Here is sample code. First, observe that the two catch blocks behave
differently. Second, can you replace the throw in Test with a script
statement without changing the other code?
cftry
cfset test()
cfcatch type=any
cfoutputCFCatch Exists -
#IsDefined(cfcatch)#/cfoutput
/cfcatch
/cftry
cfscript
try {
test();
}
catch(Any excpt) {
writeoutput(brCFCatch Exists -
#IsDefined(cfcatch)#);
}
/cfscript
cffunction name=Test
cfthrow message=This is a throw error
/cffunction
Andy
-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Ok, I need some more information. Please post an example of your cfc and
your cfml page
-Original Message-
From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Not what I am looking to do. I wish for the method to stop processing
when
I throw the exception and for control to return to the Try/Catch blocks.
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RE: Can I Throw within cfscript???
Thanks Tom. There is actually a 'break' command in cfscript, I was just using it as an example to illustrate operators and commands that go hand in hand. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Can I Throw within cfscript??? On Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 14:04 pm, Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: Why oh why do we have try/catch but no throw? It's like we got loops without a break command. No point. You can just an an extra looping condition, and change the value of that flag if you need to break out. -- Tom Chiverton (sorry 'bout sig.) Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~|BR [A HREF=http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4;Todays Threads/A] [A HREF=http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4;This Message/A] [A HREF=http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4;Subscription/A] [A HREF=http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=1.1.4;Fast Unsubscribe/A] [A HREF=http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/;User Settings/AP A HREF=http://www.fusionauthority.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=33; TARGET=_blankIMG align=center SRC=http://www.fusionauthority.com/banners/CF_intro_468x60.gif; WIDTH=468 HEIGHT=60 ALT= BORDER=0/A
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
Win IE5.5 required = unusable. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Mauricio Giraldo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor Hi Just wanted to let you know we have posted on SourceForge a WYSIWYG web-based HTML Editor. It is in Beta development right now. It is quite stable and I'm sure you will find it useful (we looked all over the web for a good CF web editor and all are quite costly so we decided to port a really good PHP-based editor). It uses CFC so CFMX is required. It will work in shared server environments. Win MSIE 5.5+ required. If you want to contribute/submit bugs/whatever just post your messages in the corresponding SourceForge forums for the project. The project summary is in: http://sourceforge.net/projects/spaw-cf Regards - mga (Non-commercial only for now) _ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
LOL. She's my new office mate! Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 10:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor Win IE5.5 required = unusable. ...unless you have IE 5.5+ ;^) But I agree in theory - however this would make lots of sense for a controlled environment (Intranet or Administration system) that featured IE as a standard. However it IS an open-source project: those interested may undertake their own project to test it on other platforms and make the needed adjustments. (As an aside - a good friend of mine just got accepted at John Hopkins in a web position, not sure what department. She starts in a week or so, Karin Horlbeck? Know her?) Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
Umm... I hate to break it to you, but people *do* use Macs, and you can't just ignore users just cuz they are a minority. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor Win IE5.5 required = unusable. ... by about 5% users... ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
Look, if only 100 people used the internet, then disregarding 5% would be acceptable. 2004 projections for people online worldwide is 710-945 million. So are you saying that 35-74 million users aren't worth your time? There are plenty of Javascript and Flash based WYSIWYGs. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 11:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor At 11:37 AM 9/16/03 -0400, Adam Wayne Lehman wrote: Umm... I hate to break it to you, but people *do* use Macs, and you can't just ignore users just cuz they are a minority. That depends. If 5% of users are non-IE users, then I can't really spend more than 5% of my development time on making things work for them, can I? That's the downside to the non-IE compatible browsers. Remember when word processors *had* to be WordStar file compatible? It's the same thing with browsers. I'm all for competition, but browser companies should take note of OpenOffice - it can read MS Word formats well, and that's what's making it successful. T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer? Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor
Wow. Call me old fashion by my proposals say: Vendor will ensure that the site always appears as a good representation of the client's company and brand in all major browsers. *major modern browsers considered include: Internet Explorer 5+ for Mac and PC, Netscape 4.5+ for Mac and PC, Mozilla for Mac PC, Safari for Mac, and Opera 5+ for Mac and PC I don't charge extra because I consider it part of my job. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Benjamin S. Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC-based GPL web HTML editor So are you saying that 35-74 million users aren't worth your time? There are plenty of Javascript and Flash based WYSIWYGs. Even if you're numbers had some basis in reality, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that our customers are not willing to pay us to develop specifically for Macintosh browsers. It's a simple business decision. Our average proposal is about 15 pages long, and it explains browser support in depth about half way through. So far, no one has opted to pay us more to ensure compatibility on the Mac. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: (Admin) List upgrades
I would rather pay a small subscription fee for this list, rather than be subject to HTML emails. My concern is mainly size. Although the size difference of txt vs html isn't much. When you multiply that by the number of messages though this list, it becomes an issue. I, like many others, subscribe to a number of lists. Currently outlook takes about 5-10 minutes to download and sort them all, adding to my download time isn't going to make it any faster. Can't you just go with text-based ads? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:(Admin) List upgrades Here's the problem. The CF-Talk email seems to be so efficient that few come to the HoF site as they get everything in their mail box. This basically says to all advertisers that HoF is not a viable place to put ads and they shouldn't bother. Now advertising has never gotten us a lot of money, but its always been part of my philosophy to have companies pay for the resources rather than individuals. The main reason I was asking about HTML mail was not for people to post nice sigs or the like but to have the same plain text mail that you get today but also have the footer be clean and nice looking. This would mean that the links would come out as links and that the advertising on bottom would be a call to a real banner ad. Would this add to the message size? No as it would involve setting the mimetype to html rather than text (no additional characters) and removing the text ad for a img call (no web bugs, just plain src, which is usually smaller). My only fear in doing so would be that it would alienate some of our subscribers. What I could do is start out with the plain text message and HTML footer and then build an HTML parsing engine that will take a post and remove ALL HTML other than standard formatting like B, I, and the like. No images, no web bugs, no tables, no colors. Just text formatting. That would keep things small and still give the emphasis that people want to convey with their messages. I'd love a real, live NNTP feed from the lists and such a thing may be possible. The way to get it is to either get some software that does it, write up a full bridge along with running an NNTP server or push so much business to iMS that Howie says its worth it to build an NNTP server into iMS. I'd prefer the last option as it would be so cool and tight with the system that already exists here. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: (Admin) List upgrades
Use some elementary math and multiply that by 100-1000. It _is_ a big deal. Can anyone direct me to an email list that uses HTML over text? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) List upgrades Currently outlook takes about 5-10 minutes to download and sort them all So with HTML it will take from 15 to 30 more seconds ? Not a big deal. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Convert Complex data to string error.
?? will this work ??
thisStructList = structKeyList(thisStruct);
thisString = ;
for(i = 1; i LTE listLen(thisStructList); i = i + 1)
{
thisString = listAppend(thisString,
evaluate(listGetAt(thisStructList, i)));
}
If the struct is only one level deep this should do the trick in
converting it to a list. If it's multiple levels you can throw this in a
function and do some recursion. The original struct being 'thisStruct'
and the converted variable being 'thisString'.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Convert Complex data to string error.
Hey mark,
Show us the code where you're storing the variable and then again where
you're trying to use / display the variable later where you're getting
the error. There's probably a way to prevent it becoming a complex data
type by altering the syntax where it's stored, but I need to see the
syntax to test it over here.
Thanks,
Ike
-- Original Message --
From: Mark Picker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Aug 30, 2003 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Convert Complex data to string error.
Hi,
I have some code that use to work fine under CF5. However since
upgrading
one server to MX I keep getting the following error when trying to use
one
particular variable:
Complex object types cannot be converted to simple values.
The variable holds some details about the URL that a product was
selected
from. An example of the content is :
cat=26grouping=1grouptitle=ProductsPartID=151page=1title=Cooling%2
0Syst
emdo=action
I have discovered that MX treats this code as a structure. However I
can't
seem to find an easy way to convert this back to a string so that it
can be
inserted into a database field (as a string).
I found some details in the MX manual about using the cfml2wddx
function to
convert to a string, but this brings back the text with the XML tags in
it.
My other problem is that whatever function I use, the code needs to
work in
both CF5 and MX
Does anybody have a simple method to convert this to a string type?
Cheers
Mark
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RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
I recommend you try selling yourself with quality application development. CF is a brief paragraph with a link to mm.com in my proposals. Your clients shouldn't need to have their noses that deep in the technology, that's your job. It's not like you go to a car dealer and salesman starts rattling off the names of some guy in Taiwan who made the fuel pump, or the fact that it was built with snap-on brand tools. As a buyer, why would I even care what technology it's built on? You should be selling on make and model. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Be that as it may, *I* am a CF Developer. I want to push CF to my clients and want to raise awareness of the platform which I and my company use. The recent marketing campaign did not help me in that regard AT all. Do I think there are more ASP and PHP developers out there who need to be made aware of Dreamweaver? Yes. Do I think there are more people -both developers and future clients- out there that need to be made aware of CF period than ASP and PHP? Yes. Do I think that not mentioning CF while marketing the DWMX IDE helps raise awareness of CF? No. Do I think that Macromedia's DWMX 2004 marketing campaign has helped me as a CF Developer/Web shop? No. Refute that if you like, I stand by my statements. -Angel -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 09:52 AM, Angel Stewart wrote: I thought the purpose of Marketing a new product was to keep existing clients and gain new buyers for a product. Marketing is about awareness. Given a budget, the goal is to get as many of the right people aware of your product as possible. Do you think there are more ColdFusion developers out there who need to be made aware of Dreamweaver, or PHP and ASP developers? Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
I think it's safe to say that DWMX has more support for CF than any other language. That coupled with the fact that it's the most popular WebDesign tool, makes for a pretty good standing for CF. I'm not sure that adding more CF bells and whistles to DW is going to help the CF bottom line. I'm assuming that the strategy would be to get those people who don't program and are web designers to move into CF. I think DWMX is that bridge as it's not too complicated to scare the n00bs away. I think you could look at this from the other perspective and say that they are trying to 'hook in' some ASP and PHP developers, who just may see the beauty of CF when it's so prevalent in their IDE. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but lots of people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing it's pre-existing customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously now, you don't want all those ASP and PHP folks spending their money somewhere else - the beauty of it is that all of those people who buy DW and use it to code PHP and ASP are contributing to the future of MM and CF with their funds. I disagree with the above statement. The market for ASP and PHP is growing, while the CF market is shrinking. Certainly, there is reason right now for Macromedia to support ASP, PHP, and CF, but at what point does the size of each respective market force MM to focus DW on only the largest markets, namely ASP and PHP? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
I think if you judge 'competition' on what's most important... sales. Then VS has its work cut out for it. Cuz I don't know anyone (including myself) who paid for VS (outside of MSDN). But DWMX was a massive financial success for MM during a stale economy. And last I checked, VS has _no_ CF support. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? In the end, I think having an IDE that welcomes other developers is an excellent RD opportunity as well. If MM knows what ASP and PHP coders are doing, what their tools offer, etc. it gives them better insight on how to keep CF competitive - or one step ahead as is the current situation. In regards to .NET, DW is a steaming pile of crap compared to VS.NET. They're not even in the same league. Mind you, DW is way cheaper than VS.NET :) But, I'd still buy VS.NET over DW any day of the week. The Professional version is a little bit more than DW, and it contains interactive debugging, a fully featured database front end, great help, intellisense, a better code editor, and the higher editions have design tools that DW will probably _never_ have. Or, I can get VS.NET standard for $100, which is far, far cheaper than DW. Or heck, I can get Primal Code for $249, I can then code in .NET, php, and CF, and a whole bunch of other languages. Or, I can get Eclipse for free, and do what I want with it. Point being: MM has a heck of a lot (and I mean a LOT) of work to do with DW before it becomes a serious contender in the IDE market. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Hook a brother up with a sponsor! Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? In government the CF market is growing, at least here at state. I know the market in general in D.C. for CF developers with a security clearances is awesome. Tim -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? Granted, I pretty much stopped using DW when MX rolled out, but lots of people love it. You can't expect MM to stop schmoozing it's pre-existing customer base and ONLY focus on CF. Seriously now, you don't want all those ASP and PHP folks spending their money somewhere else - the beauty of it is that all of those people who buy DW and use it to code PHP and ASP are contributing to the future of MM and CF with their funds. I disagree with the above statement. The market for ASP and PHP is growing, while the CF market is shrinking. Certainly, there is reason right now for Macromedia to support ASP, PHP, and CF, but at what point does the size of each respective market force MM to focus DW on only the largest markets, namely ASP and PHP? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Anyone who lives in the DC area can vouch for the surge in gov. jobs for CF developers. I'd also like to note that I've seen a lot more universities going with CF. As for whomever was talking about server cost, the server does cost more, but the developers are generally cheaper. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? In government the CF market is growing, at least here at state. I know the market in general in D.C. for CF developers with a security clearances is awesome. Do you have any evidence to support the statement that CF's market sharing is growing in the government sector? Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.MontaraSoftware.com (888) 408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
Right on Ben! I seriously just don't get this thread at all. Never once in my life have I ever noticed a difference in coding speed based on the IDE I was using. I can just see the expression on my boss's face if I'd say sorry I missed the deadline, but my IDE slowed me down or this would have been done sooner had I had a built in debugger. D-Dub is a fine tool. If it's too slow for you, I suggest you buy a new computer. I'm working on a 2-year old box and it runs like a champ. Quite frankly this argument has been running for so long that it's lost all meaning to me. These issues seem like a security blanket issue, with developers who don't want to give up on something they had for so many years. Personally I got bored with CFStudio/Homesite (after several years). I tried DWMX exclusively for one month and never looked back. (Even though my initial intentions were to try it for 1-month so I could load up on bad things to say MM about) Macromedia is constantly making my life easier with updates to CF and Flash and they have supported our community like no other (even more than Allaire imho). Is it really fair to blast them over the features of one of their IDEs vs another? I mean they _do_ have two separate IDEs. The _only_ reason Homesite is still around is because of the critics. Some of these issues are def legit, but the longer this thread goes on, the more it is starting to sound like whining. I mean a lot of you are just complaining about CFMX 6.1! Seriously if you guys don't like MM that much, maybe you should go .NET and see how much MS listens to your suggestions. I suggest everyone at least try mx2k4 for a month. I assure you you'll still be able to code, and at the very least you'll have tried something, dare I say. new. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? CFSETTING MMHAT=off I've been watching this thread with interest, and have also been forwarding the juicy bits to all sorts of folks within Macromedia. I've stayed out of the discussion thus far, but ... I use Dreamweaver. I also use HomeSite. I also use CodeWrite (which I migrated to after Sage which I migrated to after Brief). I'd love one editor that did it all, it does not exist yet, so I use multiple. It seems that many of you do the same. And no, I do not have to use Dreamweaver, I don't even have to like Dreamweaver, no one (not even my employer) gets to tell me what editor I should use or like. (Anyone who thinks otherwise does not know me). I have been a semi-advocate of Dreamweaver since DWMX (I had been a vocal critic of Dreamweaver prior to that), I have been on the backs of the Dreamweaver team to improve CF support for a long time and continue to do so, I publicly acknowledge what I like about Dreamweaver, and have no qualms about stating what it is that I don't like. I have been very honest in discussing Dreamweaver, and have never positioned it as a CF Studio replacement, and always positioned it as another tool in the tool box while stating that the Dreamweaver team had expressed a commitment to continue to improve ColdFusion integration. It's that last point that seems to be the crux of this all. And for those of you who have complained that Dreamweaver MX 2004 does not do enough for ColdFusion developers, well, I agree. It has improved, and some of the biggest complaints from ColdFusion users (including the speed and needing to always define sites) have been addressed. I would really have liked to have seen more, and as much as I don't like the fact that the Dreamweaver team dedicated resources to improving support for ASP.NET and PHP I also understand the economics. This is a business, Macromedia needs to continue to sell lots of Dreamweaver. The product has 2,000,000+ users (or something like that) most of whom do not use ColdFusion, the static page market is saturated and they need to go after where the big bucks are, targeting PHP and ASP.NET users make sense. (Whether or not those users will buy the story remains to be seen, but the Dreamweaver team had to make that effort). It is less we don't care about CF and more we care lots about those massive user bases. Context. I have a laundry list of stuff I want in Dreamweaver (or HomeSite, or any editor). Many of the items are my own wants, others are user suggestions, all are shared by the wider community. I want data awareness in the IDE, I want right click introspection everywhere and anywhere, I want IntelliJ type intelligence so that when I change a CFC method I can keep all invocations in synch, I want speed, I want decent DB integration tools, I want a real debugger, I could go on and on and on ... I'll keep pushing and nagging. So is the new Dreamweaver the ColdFusion aware IDE I wanted? Nope
RE: CFC Issues....
It should. And to be certain I threw it on my server. It does. The
problem you and Tony are experiencing is definitely not in code.
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division
-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFC Issues
So the following should work?
cfcomponent
cffunction name=checkEmail returntrype=boolean
cfargument name=emailAddress type=string required=true
cfif Len(Arguments.emailAddress)
cfset myReturn=true
cfelse
cfset myReturn=false
/cfif
cfreturn myReturn
/cffunction
cffunction name=emailMembers
cfargument name=emailAddress
cfreturn checkEmail(Arguments.EmailAddress)
/cffunction
/cfcomponent
Abviously this is not a usable example it just illistrates what I'm
talking
about.
By creating a UDF inside a cfc and trying to use it in the same cfc I
get
the exact same error that Tony gets with any UDF.
- Original Message -
From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: CFC Issues
My blog entry talked about creating a UDF _inside_ a method, this is
NOT
the same as creating a UDF in a CFC. For example:
cfcomponent
cfscript
function boring() { return now(); }
/cfscript
cffunction name=foo
cfreturn boring()
/cffunction
/cfcomponent
This is perfectly valid. The only issue is that EVERY UDF defined,
even
cfscript ones, are considered methods. So boring will show up in the
metadata. In general, you do not want to use cfscript, instead, use
cffunction and mark the udfs as private so they can't be called from
the
outside.
===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
(www.mindseye.com)
Member of Team Macromedia
(http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog
Yahoo IM : morpheus
My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda
-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFC Issues
I have always recieved this same problem while trying to
create a UDF and use a UDF in the same CFC. I thought that it
wasn't allowed. See this entry:
http://www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry
entry=130
from Ray.
-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFC Issues
Show us yer code Weeg!! :)
On Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003, at 10:30 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote:
what could this possibly mean?
the code works perfect outside of the cfc, but now it
doesn't inside
the cfc?
Unable to complete CFML to Java translation.
Error information unsupported statement: class
coldfusion.compiler.ASTfunctionDefinition
The error occurred in
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\cf~permissionsConsume.cfm:
line
15
13 : cfinvokeargument
14 : name=featureBit
15 : value=#featureBit#
16 :
17 : /cfinvoke
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Please try the following:
Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are using
the
correct syntax. Search the Knowledge Base to find a
solution to your
problem.
Browser Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT
5.1; .NET CLR
1.1.4322)
Remote Address 10.10.11.186
Referrer
Date/Time 20-Aug-03 01:29 PM
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RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
Lol. Access on steroids it's not. It's more like free Access. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL Hey All, I'm not all that familiar with MySQL, but from what I hear it's not as good as MS SQL Server (which I use along with Oracle). I've tried using MyPHPAdmin to administer MySQL before and all I can say is it sucked eggs...security was confusing as all hell. The MySQL.com website says that upcoming features for version 5 include: -views -stored procedures -triggers -sub-queries Now if it's missing all that then what is itAccess on steroids?? ;-) Opinions please TIA Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Well I'm feeling adventurous... I think all the points this author makes are valid. In fact it's something our industry should heed well. As developers when we leave the browser, it's easy to get carried away. Normally we have all these constraints like 'form controls' and 'underlined hyperlinks', components that are universal across the board. Our end users are extremely familiar with these items, so they can navigate anywhere in the web with moderate ease. Now when we move into RIA everything the user knows about navigation... is gone. The developers now take on much more responsibility and usability (which most developers ignore all together) becomes mission critical. I don't think anyone can disagree that there are a tremendous amount of _shitty_ flash sites out there as a result. But I don't want to fully defend the a-hole who wrote this article (if you can even call it that). His points are valid, but they do not equate to Flash is Evil or Flash sucks. Splash pages _are_ useless, flaming logos are soo 1997, and doing an entire site in flash, just for the sake of doing it is retarded. But just because there is a lot of crap built with the tools, doesn't mean the technology is evil. It's quite the opposite. The technology is so great, and so easy to use... that any shmuck can do it. (We run into this same issue with CF, it leads to bad programming tendencies, because it's so easy to use.) Now let's turn the tables here. Is this guy color blind, is the theme a tribute the short bus he rode to school in? Further more he doesn't even have a single image on his page, just text. (Is he Amish or something?) Additionally all his article are like 250px wide so every page is like 4 screens vertical. The right justified nav bar serves only one purpose to create dead space. I think considering his site, the author is discredited and possibly just jealous of designers in general. You know what pisses me off more than splash pages and pointless animations? The fact that any shmuck with notepad can have a web site. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Yep, Flash is that good. You need to trust me, not this author. Flash does a lot right now, and this guy chose to focus on it's usefulness in animation and graphics. That's a very poor representation of Flash's abilities, and the article is anything other than a critique of it's role in application development. In fact, this article is so bad I am adding it to my Big Book of Useless Rubbish No One Should Waste Their Time reading. Laters, M -Original Message- From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Is Flash really THAT good? This is a bit off topic but I wanted to ask this question specifically to this audience. There seems to be a sence that Flash is this awesome platform for rich internet applications that thats where everything is going. All you hear about is how fast it is, how good looking it is, and so on. Maybe I'm the only one but Flash drives me crazy. Even though it has database connectivity, I still see it as a frustrating way to create needless animations. Maybe I'm wrong. I admit I have only got into Flash a little bit but every time I do, I end up asking myself why I am wasting my time with this tool. As application developers, do you take Flash seriously? Do you think it does or will ever make since to use it for your full blown applications? I just read over the message thread at: http://www.dack.com/web/flash_evil.html and I found it very interesting and I sort of agree with the author. He's also got an interesting usability test posted at: http://www.dack.com/web/flashVhtml/ I'm interested as to what you guys think. Thanks, Jon ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
This seems relevant enough: Here are the entries for Flash Forward 2003. Get your vote on! http://www.flashforward2003.com/nyc/ Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: CF Dude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Ok, first off, that article was written years ago. Although there are probably more flash animations online than back then, Flash has still made leaps and bounds of progress. Secondly, how much DHTML have you done? Now, how much cross browser DHTML have you done? How much database driven DHTML have you done? Although it's not apples to apples, you can deliver cross browser / stand alone apps, in flash that are practically impossible in DHTML. Thirdly, if we didn't have flash, it'd be some other replacement for the animated gifs that people would be complaining about. Fourthly, I understand where you are coming from since I have heard other people say the same thing about flash. However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you are like the others who bitch about flash yet haven't seen any flash movies worth while. Here are a few flash sites that I consider to be worth your viewing. http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm http://www.egomedia.com http://www.estudio.com just about any flash site on http://www.cwd.dk http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html (had to throw this is for the humor) Just to name a few. E - Original Message - From: Jon Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a bit off topic but I wanted to ask this question specifically to this audience. There seems to be a sence that Flash is this awesome platform for rich internet applications that thats where everything is going. All you hear about is how fast it is, how good looking it is, and so on. Maybe I'm the only one but Flash drives me crazy. Even though it has database connectivity, I still see it as a frustrating way to create needless animations. Maybe I'm wrong. I admit I have only got into Flash a little bit but every time I do, I end up asking myself why I am wasting my time with this tool. As application developers, do you take Flash seriously? Do you think it does or will ever make since to use it for your full blown applications? I just read over the message thread at: http://www.dack.com/web/flash_evil.html and I found it very interesting and I sort of agree with the author. He's also got an interesting usability test posted at: http://www.dack.com/web/flashVhtml/ I'm interested as to what you guys think. Thanks, Jon ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I agree full heartedly. The only thing I'm saying was valid is that there is indeed a lot of crappy flash out there. But that is neither here nor there in regards to Flash as a technology. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Adam; This author makes no valid points. He simply takes shots at what he doesn't like to condemn a product wholly. The author criticizes the work of individual authors, and holds Flash to blame as an 'enabler'. This assertion is a non sequitur, and justifies my comment about the article being nothing but useless rubbish. People make Web sites, Web sites do not make themselves and Flash can certainly be used for better purposes. Flash is ANYTHING but evil, and I would say your comments about navigation are invalid in the same way. Authors make movies accessible, navigable, etc., not Flash - if you want to talk aesthetics, you need to talk with the aesthetes, not the assembly programmers who have nothing to do with this at all whatsoever. That being said, I have an RIA project underway that I am planning to market as an RIA development platform and, without saying too much before the big release, it has no animation, no funny navigation, and nothing that would offend 'serious' application developer's sensible yearnings for the old blue and gray. There is so much more that can be done with Flash it dwarfs the animation aspects, and it is time for people's perceptions to change about the product. Useless prattling like this only makes me mad... M -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Well I'm feeling adventurous... I think all the points this author makes are valid. In fact it's something our industry should heed well. As developers when we leave the browser, it's easy to get carried away. Normally we have all these constraints like 'form controls' and 'underlined hyperlinks', components that are universal across the board. Our end users are extremely familiar with these items, so they can navigate anywhere in the web with moderate ease. Now when we move into RIA everything the user knows about navigation... is gone. The developers now take on much more responsibility and usability (which most developers ignore all together) becomes mission critical. I don't think anyone can disagree that there are a tremendous amount of _shitty_ flash sites out there as a result. But I don't want to fully defend the a-hole who wrote this article (if you can even call it that). His points are valid, but they do not equate to Flash is Evil or Flash sucks. Splash pages _are_ useless, flaming logos are soo 1997, and doing an entire site in flash, just for the sake of doing it is retarded. But just because there is a lot of crap built with the tools, doesn't mean the technology is evil. It's quite the opposite. The technology is so great, and so easy to use... that any shmuck can do it. (We run into this same issue with CF, it leads to bad programming tendencies, because it's so easy to use.) Now let's turn the tables here. Is this guy color blind, is the theme a tribute the short bus he rode to school in? Further more he doesn't even have a single image on his page, just text. (Is he Amish or something?) Additionally all his article are like 250px wide so every page is like 4 screens vertical. The right justified nav bar serves only one purpose to create dead space. I think considering his site, the author is discredited and possibly just jealous of designers in general. You know what pisses me off more than splash pages and pointless animations? The fact that any shmuck with notepad can have a web site. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
The fact of the matter is that Flash IS around now. The free plugin IS on almost every computer. Personally I think you should be updating your application. It is fool hearted to think that your application cannot be improved with the changing technology. Take a javascript/html based calculator written in 1995. It will still work in today's browsers (maybe... if you managed to avoid any of the thousands of changes made to JavaScript and HTML since, which is highly unlikely). Anyway, regardless of how unlikely it is, lets just say that its true. Now I come out with a flash bases calculator, which looks incredible, has some nifty little sounds, and overall provides a better user experience. Now the logic in both are exactly the same, but I think you'll agree the flash based application will be preferred by every user. Ford sold the model T for over 20 years, and claimed that no person would ever need more. Sure the technology behind the model T still holds true today, but I happen to enjoy power steering, brakes, windshield wipers... etc. (I recently heard a piece on Ford's 100 year history on NPR) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Can Flash be run outside of the Flash plugin? Uh no. Can you guarantee to me that the Flash plugin, and API will forever be free and open? Don't need the code...thanks though. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, June 20, 2003, 11:36:31 AM, you wrote: C How about running this app OUTSIDE the browser? AFAIK, DHTML cannot be run C outside the browser, my Flash App can, and still talk to the database. C All I am saying is that for some things, like applications(not entire C websites that are content based), using Flash as the UI is going to be C better than using HTML or DHTML. C If anyone cares, I will post and an example of my search app to show you C what I mean. C Clint C - Original Message - C From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] C To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] C Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:34 AM C Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? I doubt the 10 minute figure, but with some forethought I could write a script that onKeyUp change the contents of an html widget fairly quickly. Say 20 minutes...I've done this in the past. Changing the look would be as easy as changing the css definition. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, June 20, 2003, 11:22:54 AM, you wrote: C I have an interactive search that as you type filters the data that you C see. C This could be done in DHTML, but in NOT 10 minutes, NOT outside a C browser, C and NOT as easy to change as the Flash interface. C Clint ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Uh oh, here we go again. I've taken the 'flash is unnecessary' side before. So I'll try my hand at the argument that flash is the future. Usability, usability, usability. I'd imagine that probably only 5% (if we're lucky) of web developers have studied usability at all. As for designers, I'd like to say that the percentage is more, but all the designers I know are 'artists' and have no clue about application design or usability. They know what is visually appealing, not functional. If developers put as much time into usability, case studies, and actually perform usability tests (which I'm sure most companies will view as a worthless expense) as we do coding, I think the perception of the flash RIA would dramatically improve. Bottom line is, if a flash application is done correctly, with enough focus on usability, then it will smoke any comparable HTML application. As for google and yahoo's success. I can think of a million ways google would be better as an RIA. As for weight, this comes back to the application's design. Which can very from app to app, so it's unfair the generalize RIA as being heavy just because a few are. Not to mention you can conserve a lot more bandwidth and download time with a flash app. Maybe there is an initial download of 50k, but every time you want to refresh the screen, or pull in some db data, you don't have to make another page call. You can get only the minimum data necessary, rather than load the same html and images over... and over... and over... and over again. As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation non-standard in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Lofback, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you are like the others who bitch about flash yet haven't seen any flash movies worth while. Here are a few flash sites that I consider to be worth your viewing. http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm http://www.egomedia.com http://www.estudio.com just about any flash site on http://www.cwd.dk http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html (had to throw this is for the humor) Just to name a few. Well, call me old school, but I find these sites annoying and difficult to use. It is my firm opinion that the vast majority of web users do not care for this stuff. It is meant to impress developers, techies and managers but it is hopelessly unfriendly to the majority of users who simply want to accomplish a task on a site. They do not want to wait for these gee-whiz animations to load or to figure out which widget does what--they just want to get what they are there for, and making them wait while your site goes into these gyrations is just bad business. Who wants aggravated customers? Customer service always wins over gimmicks. On the web, speed and usability = good customer service, splash pages and non-standard navigation = bad service. This is going to be hotly denounced by those who love the bleeding edge, but plain HTML (black text, white BG, blue links, no fancy DHTML) is almost always the best choice to let the user get what they want fast. Unless your product IS multimedia-based, or you are using Flash (or any other plugin/gizmo) to make your service easier/faster to use or to provide some vital capabilities--like enhanced form validation/processing--I wouldn't use it. For whom do we develop our web apps? The developers or the users? If you are an online business, you'd better think about it! Look at Yahoo and Google. It's no coincidence that they are successful and they both use simple designs. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ OK, Flame on! :) Chris ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Fridays are such fertile ground for technology debates. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Uh oh, here we go again. I've taken the 'flash is unnecessary' side before. So I'll try my hand at the argument that flash is the future. Usability, usability, usability. I'd imagine that probably only 5% (if we're lucky) of web developers have studied usability at all. As for designers, I'd like to say that the percentage is more, but all the designers I know are 'artists' and have no clue about application design or usability. They know what is visually appealing, not functional. If developers put as much time into usability, case studies, and actually perform usability tests (which I'm sure most companies will view as a worthless expense) as we do coding, I think the perception of the flash RIA would dramatically improve. Bottom line is, if a flash application is done correctly, with enough focus on usability, then it will smoke any comparable HTML application. As for google and yahoo's success. I can think of a million ways google would be better as an RIA. As for weight, this comes back to the application's design. Which can very from app to app, so it's unfair the generalize RIA as being heavy just because a few are. Not to mention you can conserve a lot more bandwidth and download time with a flash app. Maybe there is an initial download of 50k, but every time you want to refresh the screen, or pull in some db data, you don't have to make another page call. You can get only the minimum data necessary, rather than load the same html and images over... and over... and over... and over again. As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation non-standard in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Lofback, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you are like the others who bitch about flash yet haven't seen any flash movies worth while. Here are a few flash sites that I consider to be worth your viewing. http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm http://www.egomedia.com http://www.estudio.com just about any flash site on http://www.cwd.dk http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html (had to throw this is for the humor) Just to name a few. Well, call me old school, but I find these sites annoying and difficult to use. It is my firm opinion that the vast majority of web users do not care for this stuff. It is meant to impress developers, techies and managers but it is hopelessly unfriendly to the majority of users who simply want to accomplish a task on a site. They do not want to wait for these gee-whiz animations to load or to figure out which widget does what--they just want to get what they are there for, and making them wait while your site goes into these gyrations is just bad business. Who wants aggravated customers? Customer service always wins over gimmicks. On the web, speed and usability = good customer service, splash pages and non-standard navigation = bad service. This is going to be hotly denounced by those who love the bleeding edge, but plain HTML (black text, white BG, blue links, no fancy DHTML) is almost always the best choice to let the user get what they want fast. Unless your product IS multimedia-based, or you are using Flash (or any other plugin/gizmo) to make your service easier/faster to use or to provide some vital capabilities--like enhanced form validation/processing--I wouldn't use it. For whom do we develop our web apps? The developers or the users? If you are an online business, you'd better think about it! Look at Yahoo and Google. It's no coincidence that they are successful and they both use simple designs. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ OK, Flame on! :) Chris ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Need ColdFusion Questionnaire Application?
I can't give you my application, but I can offer you a lot of advice on the subject. I've built an extremely in dept quiz/polling application. In the process I researched a lot of existing solutions. If this is a one time thing, I recommend survey monkey. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: David Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Need ColdFusion Questionnaire Application? I need to collect customer profiles consisting of about 40-50 questions and save the user ID and question results to a database. I don't need a typical poll application whereby users can see the poll results. Do you have any recommendations? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I'd love to see the code. Did you package it as a component? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Clint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Ok, here is a simplified version of what I did for my company. http://www.solowebworx.com/search.html Now, this is a quick example and not a FULL example of what I was talking about. If anyone is interested in the code, I will post a zip of it on my site. thanks, Clint - Original Message - From: Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Unfortunately, There are a ton of Flash web sites, that are either media centric, cartoon centric, or game centric, and there is a dearth of business/commerce centric Flash sites. Referring a potential commercial client to the Macromedia.com or many of the other sample Flash sites, which are full of slow loading, multiple popup windows, and other absolutely useless functionality, while noisy and show pretty animations and colors, will surely turn most of them completely off. There have been a very few (unfortunately) Web sites that use flash as an adjunct to conventional commercial development languages, such as CFMX, CF 5.0, PHP or even ASP can do much more IMHO, in creating a user friendly, well designed, bandwidth conservative, presentation of the business entity, including our by-words; Dynamic data-driven web application The competition is on for the most eye-catching presentation of the business face done with the mission of bringing the client back often. I believe all of the software publishers are throwing marketing (name-your-currency-here) to try to corner the market where the big bucks are. Be it .NET, ASP, ASPX, CF, CFMX, PHP, and others. A web developer must keep in mind that all of these are tools to get the job done. The focus should be on doing the job and meeting the customer's needs. Managers, frequently either fall for the marketing hype, or will choose a technology based on the in-house skillsets. I can quote example after example of businesses that have wasted a tremendous amount of development money in trying to develop in, or convert to a particular technology, just because it seemed to be the in thing to do at the time, and was getting quite a bit of attention in articles written in the various free trade publications., whose focus changes from issue to issue. The practice of management dictating the technology before development starts, is, in most cases, a costly, very costly mistake, and not only hurts the bottom line, but wastes developer resources. The previous sentence, I believe, is probably the greatest contributor to developer unhappiness with his job, and also contributes to developers moving from job to job. Two very large scale operations come to mind, but I will not name names here. In one, the IT manager dictated three years ago a complete switch from a ColdFusion data driven web site, which included a high volume order entry and shopping cart, to pure Java. They had a twenty developer ColdFusion developer team, 18 of which have since left the company, and the new technology has not yet been fully implemented. The two remaining CF coders, are kept busy with updates on the existing site, but literally thousands upon thousands of dollars have been thrown down a empty hole with little or no progress, mainly due to the moving target of the adopted technology. The other made a deal with Oracle for enterprise licensing, and the attending Java hype, and is spending millions to convert a Hodge-podge of database programs that previously worked well, but were not integrated, and a blind insistence on writing all applications in pure Java, which we all recognize is still a moving target. As a Macromedia User group manager, I have been exposed from among our membership, all of the above. We have a wide diversity of developer and management types among our membership. There are some really atrociously designed web sites that, while full of eye candy, are really short on functionality. There are some web sites that function fairly well, but are poorly organized and suffer from design effort. Even fewer are the web sites that bring together both design and functionality. Each of us have that area in which we excel, and that is a good thing, but all of us must widen our skills to at least have a working knowledge of each technology, as it applied to the project(s) in hand. We must remain focused on the solution to the customer's needs and wants, and should integrate their input every step of the way. Bottom, line, as one who is intimate with several technologies, and centered on ColdFusion, I am still convinced, that while Flash
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Blue, underlined text is hardly navigation. That's just a common identifier for a link, which in HTML is an action, not necessarily navigation. A link can do a number of things like execute a javascript function or dhtml. Google, since you mention how standard it is, does not use this for it's core navigation. Web, Images, Groups, Directory, and News (The four categories of google) are represented with blue text in a box. If selected the box is blue, if not it's gray. This is hardly a standard, but none the less is effective because users are familiar with tabular menus. Users however familiar with blue underline text (the majority of site on the internet apply different colors, so I'd say the universal sign of a link is just the underline), are also familiar with a drop down window. They are familiar with side bar menus and horizontal tabs. Every site, whether flash or html, navigate completely different. From how the menu is displayed, to how it's organized. This is what I mean by no such thing a standard navigation. However, I think the closest thing you could call standard navigation is underlined test links centered at the bottom of a page. It's an extremely common practice, but not very effective. Could you imagine having to scroll to the bottom of each page to navigate a site? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Lofback, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation non-standard in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept. I don't agree. Blue, underlined text is nearly universally understood as a clickable link, and the vast majority of users recognize a standard HTML button widget. These are instantly recognizable and usable. I'd argue that for all practical purposes this is as close to a standard as you can get. Using different link styles, custom buttons and clickable hot spots is nonstandard, and forces the user to learn how to use the app. Make the widgets different enough, and users just won't do it. Unless the site is the only place to get what they want, they will go find another site that is easier to use. And this is especially true of the non-techie [EMAIL PROTECTED]s who makes up a large portion of the user/customer pool. So why put a user through it? They want fast and easy to use. What's wrong with giving them what they want? And a simple way to do that is to stick as closely as possible to design standards. I love the ease of use at Google and am thankful that they don't force me to endure their idea of an experience to get what I want. They use standard navigation links and buttons and my user experience is great. Chris ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yes, I complete agree that users expect some navigation. I just disagree that there is a standard. Vertical-left, horizontal-upper-right, horizontal top, horizontal-top with drop down... only one can be the standard. I think we're confusing what's traditional and what's a standard. To bring it back to flash, the same types of navigation schemes listed above are used in flash also. The traditions/standards above are universal to all application design, not just the browser and web sites. I'm all up on boxesandarrows.com. Great site, but you'll notice, they don't underline their links. Nor are they the traditional blue. But to keep this inline with what were talking about, I just don't see any standard navigation, just traditional approaches. Regardless, whether its in a browser, a flash plugin, or a windows form, it's the designer who defines navigation. Not the medium. (Which is what I think we're talking about) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? There have been numerous scientific studies and papers on web site navigation and user experience, which suggest the user does expect a certain standard navigation. Vertical-Left, and Horizontal-Upper-Right are where most users expect the nav to be. I can't recall a look study offhand but it probably exists out there. Search on Google. boxesandarrows.com is a good place to look as well. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, June 20, 2003, 2:01:47 PM, you wrote: AWL Blue, underlined text is hardly navigation. That's just a common AWL identifier for a link, which in HTML is an action, not necessarily AWL navigation. A link can do a number of things like execute a javascript AWL function or dhtml. AWL Google, since you mention how standard it is, does not use this for it's AWL core navigation. Web, Images, Groups, Directory, and News (The four AWL categories of google) are represented with blue text in a box. If AWL selected the box is blue, if not it's gray. This is hardly a standard, AWL but none the less is effective because users are familiar with tabular AWL menus. AWL Users however familiar with blue underline text (the majority of site on AWL the internet apply different colors, so I'd say the universal sign of a AWL link is just the underline), are also familiar with a drop down window. AWL They are familiar with side bar menus and horizontal tabs. AWL Every site, whether flash or html, navigate completely different. From AWL how the menu is displayed, to how it's organized. This is what I mean by AWL no such thing a standard navigation. AWL However, I think the closest thing you could call standard navigation is AWL underlined test links centered at the bottom of a page. It's an AWL extremely common practice, but not very effective. Could you imagine AWL having to scroll to the bottom of each page to navigate a site? AWL Adam Wayne Lehman AWL Web Systems Developer AWL Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health AWL Distance Education Division AWL -Original Message- AWL From: Lofback, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AWL Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:36 PM AWL To: CF-Talk AWL Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? As for non-standard navigation, what make flash navigation non-standard in compared to HTML. What is standard navigation anyhow? Standard navigation doesn't exist. It's just a concept. AWL I don't agree. Blue, underlined text is nearly universally understood AWL as a clickable link, and the vast majority of users recognize a standard AWL HTML button widget. These are instantly recognizable and usable. I'd AWL argue that for all practical purposes this is as close to a standard as AWL you can get. AWL Using different link styles, custom buttons and clickable hot spots is AWL nonstandard, and forces the user to learn how to use the app. Make the AWL widgets different enough, and users just won't do it. Unless the site AWL is the only place to get what they want, they will go find another site AWL that is easier to use. And this is especially true of the non-techie AWL [EMAIL PROTECTED]s who makes up a large portion of the user/customer AWL pool. AWL So why put a user through it? They want fast and easy to use. What's AWL wrong with giving them what they want? And a simple way to do that is AWL to stick as closely as possible to design standards. AWL I love the ease of use at Google and am thankful that they don't force AWL me to endure their idea of an experience to get what I want. They use AWL standard navigation links and buttons and my user experience is great. AWL Chris AWL ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
Yeah I definitely agree with everything you are saying. Well... mostly. I'm just saying that traditional navigation schemes transcend the media. Just because it's done in flash doesn't mean you can't have blue underline links. Everything can be implemented identically in one or the other. But as far a blue links go (or any long standing tradition), just because it's been this way in the past, doesn't mean we should keep doing it into the future. Using established proven methodologies for navigation yes, I think coloring and underlining menu object is just aesthetic at this point. I agree it may well have been true 3 years ago, but now users expect visually pleasing sites and applications. (Look at OSX and WinXP) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Lofback, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Blue, underlined text is hardly navigation. That's just a common identifier for a link, which in HTML is an action, not necessarily navigation. A link can do a number of things like execute a javascript function or dhtml. Google, since you mention how standard it is, does not use this for it's core navigation. Web, Images, Groups, Directory, and News (The four categories of google) are represented with blue text in a box. If selected the box is blue, if not it's gray. This is hardly a standard, but none the less is effective because users are familiar with tabular menus. CF_UsabilitySoapBox Well, this is quibbling over minor differences and word definitions. And I know I'm blowing against the wind here, but the simple fact is that users know what to do with blue, underlined text and HTML buttons. Why deviate from something that users know? It only makes it harder for them and increases the likelihood that they won't use your site--unless they have no place else to go. Here is the key phrase in your post: effective because users are familiar That is the heart of the matter. Every site, whether flash or html, navigate completely different. This is pretty much true and it's a negative, not a positive. On the web, different != good usability. All of those sites with different/unique navigation are harder to use than standard blue underlines and HTML widgets because users have to figure them out--and they HATE that. Even if you think, what's the big deal, it only takes a few minutes? They HATE to be forced to learn something new when all they want to do is...whatever...anything but be forced by some web site to endure their different navigation. Look at Yahoo, eBay, Amazon and Google. I'd guess they are among the most heavily used sites and they rely on standard light/white background, dark/black text, blue underlined links and (for the most part) standard form elements. Minor differences, but they don't stray far from the basics. They know what works. And we can leverage the usability of those sites by mimicking their navigation and design elements. Most users will know how to navigate a site that looks like them. I know this is anathema to all of the web artistes out there, but it's the truth: the big sites really define usability for the rest of us. We ignore it at our peril. There is room for individuality, but most of the Flash example that were suggested on the list are shooting themselves in the foot, IMHO. If we, as developers, care whether or not our site is usable by the most people (which means more opportunities for sales/readers/customers/etc) then we must bow to the simple needs of users and not force our techie-oriented user experiences on them. And using Flash like most sites do goes against good usability. /CF_UsabilitySoapBox Man, I need a weekend off! :) Chris ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
I think you can safely change the links color and not loose any users. It's very minor, and it's the only way we can 'train' our users. Slowly. Sides, a lot of sites do not color their link blue and underline them, and they get along just fine. Remember that blue on white is second easiest to read than black on white. Just because the link is blue on a lot sites, doesn't necessarily mean it's done for standardization. Mostly its done because green and red don't read well. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? At 01:35 PM 6/20/03 -0400, Lofback, Chris wrote: I don't agree. Blue, underlined text is nearly universally understood as a clickable link, and the vast majority of users recognize a standard HTML button widget. These are instantly recognizable and usable. I'd argue that for all practical purposes this is as close to a standard as you can get. That's a very good point. I've recently been changing the blue underlined text and the buttons in one app because they are ugly. But I'm thinking that might be a mistake. For a specialized app, it might not be an issue, but for something where you want every one to be able to use it instantly, sticking with the basics is probably the way to go. T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer? Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is Flash really THAT good?
But not for long; Every time I underline blue text in Flash MX, it throws an alert saying Blue underline text is deprecated. When I run the movie its even worse Blue underline text detected. This RIA will self destruct in 5,4... :) Is it 5 o'clock yet? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? I demand proof! -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, June 20, 2003, 3:33:24 PM, you wrote: MC I just want to make sure that everyone understands: MC You can have blue links in Flash. MC mike chambers MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] MC - Original Message - MC From: Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] MC To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] MC Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:32 PM MC Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? Just jumping in here... It sure would be a dull world if nothing evolved. If that were true, we would not have nice cars (they would all be horseless carriages) and houses would be caves. We use new things because the technology becomes available. Some uses are good, some are bad. There are plenty of bad sites written in HTML, so should we not use HTML? Nope, the answer is to intelligently design our web sites. The fact is, RIA is going to become the norm within ten years because it will make the user experience easier, more aesthetically pleasing, and more functional with fewer client errors on the server end. Sure, blue links are standard, but people like flash. (no pun intended) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
Well, I live in rockVegas (aka Rockville, MD), so I'm always here. My question is... should I bring the beer pig? He's been working the front door of my home since devCon. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in early? Judith ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Compatability
Jim, Are you still having major COM issues post Updater 3? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Compatability On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 21:19 pm, Jim Davis wrote: downgrade). It's fast, capable, and (most importantly for some) is still C++ and some runs their COM infrastructure components like MX can't. cough Look at the sky out there today great shades of red... cough -- Tom C Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX
Try making an http call (using cfhttp) to the wsdl from your cfmx server. It will most likely be successful, but at least you could rule out the possibility of a connection problem. The reason I say this is because the debugger is reporting that you _can_ create a connection to the gateway. It's just unable to find the web service on Ben's side. (I don't have the original email you sent with the netDebugger output, but I think that's what you were saying). So either it's not a remoting gateway issue, or netDebugger output is misleading. Most likely is the latter. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX LOLya I've tried everythingwhen I go to http://142.179.101.53/flashservices/gateway I get a CF error. Now apparently I should see a blank screen if the gateway is functioning properly?? but if I can find out about those flashgateway deployment files I may be able to truly test Sean's approach. BTWyou actually know the name of a Justin Timberlake song Go outside and play man ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Did you try Mike's solution. It worked for me. You must be like Justin timberlake singing where is the love? -Igor -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Still no love here.I'm waiting for Sean to tell me more about those flashgateway deployment files what are they called or how can they be identified??? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:07 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX WOW!!! Ok, I guess in the future it would make sense to read the release notes a few times over: To enable access from Macromedia Flash to web services add the following DISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS Servlet init-param entry to the FlashGatewayServlet entry in the web.xml file that is contained in the flashgateway.ear archive All I had to do was open C:\CFusionMX\runtime\servers\default\SERVER-INF\temp\gateway-webapp.war5 3102 3565\WEB-INF\web.xml in notepad, change DISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS to false, and cycle the server... And it WORKS!!! I'm not sure if I made a permanant change, as this resides in a temp directory, but I'm sure Mike's solution is a permanat one. I didn't try Corfield's solution, becasuse I don't know which file to edit. There are like a gazillion WEB-INF/web.xml files on my machine. I guess it would help to know which file to look for, as we are most familiar with the one under the web root. Thanks Mike and Sean for all your insights. For next version... can you guys push for maybe having the Gateway allow this for a select list of domains to minimize the risk Or for now, is there any way to move the gateway to a discreet location so that a hack is not as easy as http://www.mydomain.com/flashservices/gateway/ Thanks Again... Igor -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Hey Sean...please see below: Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Flash Remoting
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
No your not. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall I'm local too. Tim -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall Well, I live in rockVegas (aka Rockville, MD), so I'm always here. My question is... should I bring the beer pig? He's been working the front door of my home since devCon. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in early? Judith ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX
Do the remotes services you are trying to use have Flash Remoting? Or are the traditional XML based web services? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Igor Ilyinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Any remoting gurus out there? I have an app that uses Flash Remoting to consume local CFCs and as a proxy to consume remote web services. However, on my host, the first part works, but the second part (consuming remot web services) does not. Are there any configurational changes that I am overlooking? Any suggestions? I was going to try consuming my CFC as a web service through the Flash remoting proxy, but I'm not sure what that should indicate to me. Any insights? Or a different list that may be able to help. TIA -Igor ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF5 pegging at 100%
Make sure you are locking SESSION and APPLICATION scopes. Are you talking 100% CPU or RAM? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF5 pegging at 100% oi CF-Talk,!! are there anyways, I can debug what might be causing CF to peg at 100% ? (be easy on the shitty code comments :) ) Crit --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only one in the hotel bar?) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX
Ok, excuse my ignorance, but I'm a bit confused. You have a flash application that can call a cfc from your cfmx server fine. But when you try and access a remote webservice it doesn't work? (I thought this is what ur first post said, but the responses since seem to imply that you can get it working on your own cfmx box) What exactly happens when it doesn't work? Any errors? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Igor Ilyinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX If that were the case... KA-CHING for Macromedia every time someone uses Flash Remoting. Imagine 4 clustered web servers with Flash MX on each one. $2000 extra, just to do remoting??? I think MM is smarter than that. Anyway, SWFs pride themselves on being 'contained' within their own shell, so there should be no inherent dependencies for deployment. Unless, of course, you're running FlashComm apps. How deep is this thing? Igor -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX This may be a stupid questionbut does Flash MX have to be installed on the server for this to work? I don't think so...but I'm grasping at straws here ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Bryan, I think I found it check this http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenote s_mx _updater01.html under flash remoting-related issues (or read snippet below) Access from Macromedia Flash to web services using the Flash Gateway is disabled by default in Updater 3. To enable access from Macromedia Flash to web services add the following DISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS Servlet init-param entry to the FlashGatewayServlet entry in the web.xml file that is contained in the flashgateway.ear archive. init-param param-nameDISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS/param-name param-valuefalse/param-value descriptionWhen set to true, this setting disables the ColdFusion WebServices Adapters in the gateway./description /init-param -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX I wonder if it's this bit??: servlet-mapping servlet-nameFlashGateway/servlet-name url-pattern/flashservices/url-pattern /servlet-mapping All my old Flash work uses http://domain_or_IP/flashservices/gateway The above just says /flashservices (no /gateway)could that be it? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Mike Townend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX It doesn't kill remoting... What it just stops flash from conneting to other webservices running on other machines (afaik) -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 18:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Same heredon't have that setting but U3 is installed I also installed U3 on another server and it DID NOT kill remotingso I'm not sure that's the issue?? colour me confused by remoting again ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Thanks Collin
RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX
Can you hit the service with an http call? Is it possible a firewall at your office is getting in the way? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Hey Adam, Not sure if you're asking me or Igor...so here goes I have a Flash ap for viewing Ben Forta's Daily CF tips previously setup as follows: -site that calls the SWF from my server at home sites on a CF 5 server (thus calling teh SWF from my MX server at home -SWF calls remote webservice provided by Ben -home server has MX with U3 installed The change: -that server at home is gone -new server in office (MX with U3 installed) now has the SWF -CF 5 site code adjusted to point at new location of SWF -SWF code adjusted to use flashservices gateway on new server in office So basically the same dang setupsame versionssame web.xml files...but on the new server it won't connect to Ben's webserviceI'm lost ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Adam Wayne Lehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Ok, excuse my ignorance, but I'm a bit confused. You have a flash application that can call a cfc from your cfmx server fine. But when you try and access a remote webservice it doesn't work? (I thought this is what ur first post said, but the responses since seem to imply that you can get it working on your own cfmx box) What exactly happens when it doesn't work? Any errors? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Igor Ilyinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX If that were the case... KA-CHING for Macromedia every time someone uses Flash Remoting. Imagine 4 clustered web servers with Flash MX on each one. $2000 extra, just to do remoting??? I think MM is smarter than that. Anyway, SWFs pride themselves on being 'contained' within their own shell, so there should be no inherent dependencies for deployment. Unless, of course, you're running FlashComm apps. How deep is this thing? Igor -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX This may be a stupid questionbut does Flash MX have to be installed on the server for this to work? I don't think so...but I'm grasping at straws here ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Bryan, I think I found it check this http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenote s_mx _updater01.html under flash remoting-related issues (or read snippet below) Access from Macromedia Flash to web services using the Flash Gateway is disabled by default in Updater 3. To enable access from Macromedia Flash to web services add the following DISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS Servlet init-param entry to the FlashGatewayServlet entry in the web.xml file that is contained in the flashgateway.ear archive. init-param param-nameDISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS/param-name param-valuefalse/param-value descriptionWhen set to true, this setting disables the ColdFusion WebServices Adapters in the gateway./description /init-param -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX I wonder if it's this bit??: servlet-mapping servlet-nameFlashGateway/servlet-name url-pattern/flashservices/url-pattern /servlet-mapping All my old Flash work uses http://domain_or_IP/flashservices/gateway The above just
RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX
Bryan, I'm still kind of confused as to what's going on. Technically speaking, the only thing that has changed in the location of the SWF file, which shouldn't be relying on your CFMX box for anything. (Unless you are routing the call through a CFC of your own) The SWF file should be connecting directly to Ben's server via his remoting gateway. If this is the setup, then it's safe to say your new server is not the culprit. Because all it should be doing is hosting the SWF file. What's the URL to the CFUG page? I'll test to see if it works on my network or not. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Hey Adam, Not sure if you're asking me or Igor...so here goes I have a Flash ap for viewing Ben Forta's Daily CF tips previously setup as follows: -site that calls the SWF from my server at home sites on a CF 5 server (thus calling teh SWF from my MX server at home -SWF calls remote webservice provided by Ben -home server has MX with U3 installed The change: -that server at home is gone -new server in office (MX with U3 installed) now has the SWF -CF 5 site code adjusted to point at new location of SWF -SWF code adjusted to use flashservices gateway on new server in office So basically the same dang setupsame versionssame web.xml files...but on the new server it won't connect to Ben's webserviceI'm lost ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Adam Wayne Lehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Ok, excuse my ignorance, but I'm a bit confused. You have a flash application that can call a cfc from your cfmx server fine. But when you try and access a remote webservice it doesn't work? (I thought this is what ur first post said, but the responses since seem to imply that you can get it working on your own cfmx box) What exactly happens when it doesn't work? Any errors? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Igor Ilyinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX If that were the case... KA-CHING for Macromedia every time someone uses Flash Remoting. Imagine 4 clustered web servers with Flash MX on each one. $2000 extra, just to do remoting??? I think MM is smarter than that. Anyway, SWFs pride themselves on being 'contained' within their own shell, so there should be no inherent dependencies for deployment. Unless, of course, you're running FlashComm apps. How deep is this thing? Igor -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX This may be a stupid questionbut does Flash MX have to be installed on the server for this to work? I don't think so...but I'm grasping at straws here ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:52 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Bryan, I think I found it check this http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenote s_mx _updater01.html under flash remoting-related issues (or read snippet below) Access from Macromedia Flash to web services using the Flash Gateway is disabled by default in Updater 3. To enable access from Macromedia Flash to web services add the following DISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS Servlet init-param entry to the FlashGatewayServlet entry in the web.xml file that is contained in the flashgateway.ear archive. init-param param-nameDISABLE_CFWS_ADAPTERS/param-name param-valuefalse/param-value descriptionWhen set to true, this setting disables the ColdFusion WebServices Adapters in the gateway./description /init
RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX
Your right, my apologies. Having a brain fart, confusing getService() with establishing your gateway. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Adam, Igor is right...and it's not using Ben's gateway...it's calling a CFC that Ben has exposedthus it's using my gateway to consume the webservice AFAIK Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Igor Ilyinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Adam, How can a SWF connect to a Remote server directly? Are you saying that Bryan should be using Ben's Gateway (i.e., http://www.forta.com/flashservices/gateway or wherever it is...)? Theoretically it could work, if Ben left his service open like that, but I don't think he would even consider doing this. Nor is that a good model going forward. Otherwise, if you have a configuration where you can consume a web service directly from Flash (Excluding Central) then I think you know something we don't. So do tell... For the record, both Bryan's and my issues and goals are the same. We need to consume ben's tip web service for a CFUG site through a flash app interface... I only introduced the babelfish example because it is a simpler example, and is directly from Macromedia's site, so that means it SHOULD work. -Igor -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Bryan, I'm still kind of confused as to what's going on. Technically speaking, the only thing that has changed in the location of the SWF file, which shouldn't be relying on your CFMX box for anything. (Unless you are routing the call through a CFC of your own) The SWF file should be connecting directly to Ben's server via his remoting gateway. If this is the setup, then it's safe to say your new server is not the culprit. Because all it should be doing is hosting the SWF file. What's the URL to the CFUG page? I'll test to see if it works on my network or not. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Hey Adam, Not sure if you're asking me or Igor...so here goes I have a Flash ap for viewing Ben Forta's Daily CF tips previously setup as follows: -site that calls the SWF from my server at home sites on a CF 5 server (thus calling teh SWF from my MX server at home -SWF calls remote webservice provided by Ben -home server has MX with U3 installed The change: -that server at home is gone -new server in office (MX with U3 installed) now has the SWF -CF 5 site code adjusted to point at new location of SWF -SWF code adjusted to use flashservices gateway on new server in office So basically the same dang setupsame versionssame web.xml files...but on the new server it won't connect to Ben's webserviceI'm lost ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Adam Wayne Lehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: RE: Flash Remoting Issues with CFMX Ok, excuse my ignorance, but I'm a bit confused. You have a flash application that can call a cfc from your cfmx server fine. But when you try and access a remote webservice it doesn't work? (I thought this is what ur first post said, but the responses since seem to imply that you can get it working on your own cfmx box) What exactly happens when it doesn't work? Any errors? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Igor Ilyinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18
RE: How many tables per datasource?
This is a very interesting question. I don't think there would be any performance benefits, although you could setup different datasources for security purposes or for reporting/tracking. Multiple datasources that access the same db, but use different logins for varied access rights. Assign a different datasource to each application and you could track db activity by application. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How many tables per datasource? there is not real answer to that...as # of tables is really based on your database design..for instance we have a database here which is near 500 tables - what would be the point in creating another datasource, imagine all the variables we would have to change! Also, performance is again down to your db design. -Original Message- From: Blood Python [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2003 13:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: How many tables per datasource? Hi, how's everyone doing? :) I never thought about it until today, when i was asked about it while explaing a bit if mysql for a friend. Is there a rule or best pratice to know when it's time to create another datasource? Maybe spliting 1 datasource with many tables on 2 or 3 increases performance... Regards. BP. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RED SKY BETA
Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RED SKY BETA We need your help to really put the CF RED SKY release through its paces and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released. If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete the simple Beta program application: http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta The CF RED SKY preview presentation contains the only details that can be talked about publicly, but it's located here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/ We've poured poured our heart soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be The ONE you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do. See you in the Beta Forums! Damon Cooper Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: How do you pass the location of your CFCs to other CFCs?
Shawn, Coincidentally I've run through all the avenues you are speaking of as I'm conflicted with the same issue. Here's my idea, although the security may not be 'tight' enough for you. My setup looks like this com.theSystem.utils (Holds universal methods like 'getDataType') com.theSystem.applicationA com.theSystem.applicationB Nearly everything under theSystem should have rights to 'utils'. However it doesn't make sense to store the util cfcs in theSystem, since they are universal. So I've placed a controller-like CFC in theSystem (com.theSystem.applicationUtils) which loads certain cfcs from utils into itself, which than can be accessed by the subsequent application. The only argument I pass to applicationUtils is the location of the calling CFC in dot notation form, which determines what methods should be loaded. Although I'm offering this as a possible solution to your problem, I'm anxious to hear criticism on this design. Fire away. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: How do you pass the location of your CFCs to other CFCs? We are trying to follow good OO coding standards as we develop our CFCs, but have hit a minor snag. Basically, an action page will call a business rule component. But first, it needs to know where we've stored the components. That's fine, I can set a variable in Application.cfm. Now the business rule component may have need to access other components (other BR or data access components), I can hard code the path to the components during development, but it'd be VERY nice if I didn't have to replace these values when the project is delivered (different server and base directory) or we moved our development server. How do YOU handle this? We've toyed with the idea of using a central configuration object which all objects could instantiate if needed, but then how does the CFC know where the config.cfc is? Next, we considered specifying a variable in the Request scope, but this means the components MUST know something about the environement they are being used in, which breaks OO coding standards (think black box). So, the only other option we can think off is to pass the path to the objects, either on a per function basis, or through an init function right after the component is created. This option is probably the most robust overall, but means revising a number of components that already exist. So, I'm thinking that leaves us with the Request scope variable. Are there any other options we're missing? (reading from a file presents the same problem - how does the cfc know where the file is located without breaking OO standards?). Thanks for any input/suggestions. Shawn ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RED SKY BETA
Lighten up, it's Friday. Peter I apologize for all the anal jealous bastards (no one in particular) on this list, cuz MM announced the beta _publicly_ June 2. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA It's MM's decision to release info about the beta, not the testers. M -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RED SKY BETA Maybe some owe Peter an apology. It wasn't more than 4 days ago he got flamed for merely mentioning 'Red Sky Beta'. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RED SKY BETA We need your help to really put the CF RED SKY release through its paces and make this the best ColdFusion Server product ever released. If you think you might be able to help us out, you're invited complete the simple Beta program application: http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfmmxbeta The CF RED SKY preview presentation contains the only details that can be talked about publicly, but it's located here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/presentation/redsky/ We've poured poured our heart soul into RED SKY, and we want it to be The ONE you use and depend on, to do-what-you-do. See you in the Beta Forums! Damon Cooper Dir of Engineering, ColdFusion Server Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
