Re: mssql beyond compare tool?
+1 for the RedGate tools. They are *unbelievably* useful if you're thrown in with lots of poorly documented MSSQL databases or just problems. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's expensive at $595 for the bundle, but RedGate's SQL Compare and SQL Data Compare are top-notch and well worth it. http://www.red-gate.com/Products/index.htm On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a mssql2k beyond compare tool? i have a failing server with tons of crap on it. 1% free space. need to move old back ups, create new backups, then migrate them... i need to move the databases to a newer server. but they have about 45% overlap in database names. so looks like the previous developer was in the process of migrating every thing, but thta didnt get completed and there is no documentation.. so is there a tool i can use to analyze differences. man.. i am so sqrewd.. any help would be beautiful.. -paul. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:305708 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Lucene (Was: SOUNDEX() in MSSQL)
Another good option is to look at Apache Solr, which is a really nice web-service style wrapper around Lucene. I've used it on a couple of projects a while back and it's *really* nice. It's all lucene under the hood, but you configure, maange, and access through the web. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:50 AM, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cheers, will have a look into it early next week. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ray Camden has some stuff on his site. Search his site for Lucene. He has some code samples. look for the download links at the bottom of his posts http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2007/9/30/ColdFusion-Lucene-Test I have got it up and running so it is do-able cflucene.org is MIA btw I have the source somewhere if you are interested. G On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, does anyone have any good examples of setting up and using Lucene? The Apache docs are not beginner friendly... On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 3:28 PM, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want really good search results, look into Lucene. I believe you can use the Did you mean functionality, which I think is what you're going for. I will have a look into it, cheers. -- Jay -- James Smith IT Director Music Express Ltd ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:302747 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Setting up MacMini as full featured local webserver - with ColdFusion
On 10/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a special 'MAMP' version of the 'LAMP' environment for the Mac. Always be sure, if there is a choice, to pick the 'intel' version of a program, when you install it. Personally, I'd suggest install MacPorts and using it to manage all these kinds of tools -- makes upgrades happen on your schedule with good rollback capabilities. sudo port install apache2 (wait) sudo port install php5 (wait) etc. There's plenty of good tutorials on macport if you look around. You'd still need to install CF outside of that (and if you're not a glutton for punishment, use CF8 which actually installs easily on a Mac instead of CF7 and the hassle of installing it. I use a mac mini very similarly, except that I deploy to it using Ant or Rake (ruby projects) instead of simply copying/saving files to it. Keep in mind that unless you're using Linux-friendly databases (eg MySQL) that you'll still need to have it linking back to the MSAccess/MSSQL/whatever on your laptop. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:292481 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Setting up MacMini as full featured local webserver - with ColdFusion
I should have also mentioned the how to/etc on the wiki http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/wiki -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:292510 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Setting up MacMini as full featured local webserver - with ColdFusion
MacPorts is an installer/package manager (like rpm on linux or like, well, port on bsd). You install it from the main site -- it's just a normal mac app http://www.macports.org/ You *will* need XCode from Apple. Then you run the port command as administrator from the terminal sudo port Then you find the things you're interested in installing [Users/you]search apache Assuming you want to install the apache 2.2 distro [Users/you]install apache2 (wait for all the compilation to happen behind the scenes) Now you've got apache2 installed from source. Want PHP? [Users/you]search php5 [Users/you]install php5 [Users/you]install php5-xdebug etc You get natively compiled versions of whatever you're after. It's really deep, so you can dig through the commands if you want to pick different versions, add different options, etc. I find [Users/you]help is pretty useful Then when you php 5.2.5 comes out, you simply need to [Users/you]upgrade php5 and it all happens magically Something bad about php 5.2.5 and want to revert to 5.2.4? [Users/you]deactive php5 5.2.5 [Users/you]activate php5 5.2.4 etc. On 11/1/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without sounding needy, I found a few sites for MacPorts, but they're all ..am or .c files. I have no clue how to go about using those. I did install XCode from my Tiger CD (on the recommendation from a friend), so I guess I can compile those files if need be. Also, am I correct in understanding that MacPorts is like MAMP in that it gives you all of the needed software all in one package? andy -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:34 PM To: 'cf-talk@houseoffusion.com' Subject: RE: Setting up MacMini as full featured local webserver - with ColdFusion Thanks for the update. MacPort sounds like a good idea. I'm all for easy as I don't know the MacOS at all right now. My production environment is a Windows box so it's more to get all of the load off my workstation, plus to put the mini to good use. I'll look into MacPort, thanks John. andy -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Setting up MacMini as full featured local webserver - with ColdFusion On 10/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a special 'MAMP' version of the 'LAMP' environment for the Mac. Always be sure, if there is a choice, to pick the 'intel' version of a program, when you install it. Personally, I'd suggest install MacPorts and using it to manage all these kinds of tools -- makes upgrades happen on your schedule with good rollback capabilities. sudo port install apache2 (wait) sudo port install php5 (wait) etc. There's plenty of good tutorials on macport if you look around. You'd still need to install CF outside of that (and if you're not a glutton for punishment, use CF8 which actually installs easily on a Mac instead of CF7 and the hassle of installing it. I use a mac mini very similarly, except that I deploy to it using Ant or Rake (ruby projects) instead of simply copying/saving files to it. Keep in mind that unless you're using Linux-friendly databases (eg MySQL) that you'll still need to have it linking back to the MSAccess/MSSQL/whatever on your laptop. ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:292509 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: WebDav + SVN + Dreamweaver
Jake, All of the changes are going to be in the *subversion* repository -- c:\svnrepos -- at the appropriate place in the directory tree. c:\webdav doesn't know *anything* about svnrepos just because you did an import. And the push to the remote site only happens when you actually do it unless you're using the Automatically Upload to Server on Change option. I'm assuming what you're after is that files saved to through webdav are automatically written to subversion and then pushed to the remote server. Just to be clear, WebDAV is an *awful* way to connect to svn -- their protocols aren't completely compatible and there are lots of problem areas (the first of which, from my perspective, is you get commits with no comments). It might be easier to just use something like SFTPDrive or Webdrive to map the remote server and edit directly One alternative to look at is SVNProxy http://www.pushok.com/soft_svn.php or one of the ones from this post http://epicserve.com/blog/61/dreamweaver-8-annoyances-complaints Another alternative is Eclipse, which of course does have SVN support through Subclipse. And of course if the real goal is WebDAV, and not Version Control, you probably want a real webdav server. All of that aside, I think what you're needing to do is ensure that your WebDAV client (DW8) is connected to your SVN repository and that you're looking for the files there. On 10/23/07, Jake Pilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get SVN autoversioning (webDav) configured for use with dreamweaver (in this case, dreamweaver 8). It seems like it's working, but I can't publish new files. Also, I'm not seeing file revisions when I post new files. Admittedly, I'm new to SVN so this could easily be a user issue. Here's a rundown of of my software versions/configuration: Apache 2.0.59 (it's only purpose in life is to provide webDav access) SVN 1.4.3 Windows XP (will eventually move to Windows 2003 server when in production) Client: Dreamweaver 8 - remote server as a webDav connection Besides switching the default port to 8080 (to prevent conflicts with IIS on 80), here are the changes I made to httpd.conf LoadModule dav_module modules/mod_dav.so LoadModule dav_fs_module modules/mod_dav_fs.so LoadModule dav_svn_module C:/Program Files/Subversion/bin/mod_dav_svn.so LoadModule authz_svn_module C:/Program Files/Subversion/bin/mod_authz_svn.so DocumentRoot C:/webDav Directory C:/webDav DavLockDB C:/Program Files/Apache Group/Apache2/var/DavLock Location / Dav svn AuthType Basic AuthName DAV AuthUserFile C:/Program Files/Apache Group/Apache2/var/user.passwd require valid-user ForceType text/plain SVNPath c:/svnRepos /Location I created a new repository (C:\svnRepos) using Tortoise SVN. I then imported the files which I wish to keep under version control (c:\webDav). I then did the necessary password work to create an account for the basic authentication. Dreamweaver says it connects successfully to my remote server. When I push out a file that already exists, it doesn't bark at me. However when I look in my c:\webDav folder, the changes are not there. I tried doing an SVN Update (via Tortoise SVN) on c:\webDav, but the changes were still not visible. I also tried checking out a new working copy (c:\webDav2) and that did not contain the changes either. The other issue is that I cannot add a new file - I created test2.html in my local view in dreamwaver, tried to push it out, and I received an access denied. the file may not exist or there may be a permission issue. I haven't tried any clients besides dreamweaver because this really won't be useful to us if it doesn't work in dreamweaver. Has anyone experienced this before? Is this a dreamweaver issue? Did I take a wrong turn somewhere in my setup/configuration? Is there a way to resolve this? Thanks in advance! Jake -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:291897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Subversion appliance use attempt...
On 10/21/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well... I've got TortoiseSVN installed and it seems to be working fine. I see the menu commands in Windows Explorer. I'm reading through the documentation now to figure out just what I'm supposed to do with this. Save yourself a *ton* of time and just buy Pragmatic Version Control with SVN, 2nd edition from the Pragmatic Programmers. Lots of recipies, theory, etc packed in a very compact book (plus the appendices walk you through installed the SVN server if you want to later on). Thanks for the help on this... I'm sure I'll be calling again! :o) Rick -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Subversion appliance use attempt... yep, that's exactly right. The vmplayer is acting like a completely separate server so you'll need a client on your xp machine and TortoiseSVN is an awesome one. I got my repo configured exactly how I wanted it and then moved the virtual machine to another machine on my network. I still get giddy thinking how easy it is to move and configure virtual servers. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:291773 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Subversion appliance use attempt...
On 10/22/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/21/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well... I've got TortoiseSVN installed and it seems to be working fine. I see the menu commands in Windows Explorer. I'm reading through the documentation now to figure out just what I'm supposed to do with this. Save yourself a *ton* of time and just buy Pragmatic Version Control with SVN, 2nd edition from the Pragmatic Programmers. Lots of recipies, theory, etc packed in a very compact book (plus the appendices walk you through installed the SVN server if you want to later on). And I should have added, if you're on the west coast, come see me talk about this sort of thing at CFUnited Express on Nov 9th in San Francisco. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:291774 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
SOT: Rails vs CF.... :)
Folks, I checked the archives -- maybe I missed this on the list the first time around. http://www.railsenvy.com/2007/10/3/ruby-on-rails-vs-coldfusion FWIW, these guys have several funny comparisons between Ruby on Rails and X (9 I believe). -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:291677 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Rollback db changes in CFCUnit/CFUnit tests
On 10/4/07, Janet MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of an article(s) explaining how to work rollbacks into unit testing? I want to test a series of DAO's, but am not sure how to incorporate this into my tests. Broadly speaking, depending on what you're testing, mock objects may be enough. If the goal is to test the objects then that's probably enough. If you need to actually test the CRUD code itself, then you might want to look at DBUnit for managing database state. There's some fine articles on IBM developerWorks and similar places -- it's pretty simple to use it to restore a database to a known state. Janet ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:290298 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Text Editor Preferences?
On 9/20/07, Chris Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using TextPad since 1998...haven't seen any reason to switch, but am curious to see what everyone else is using for a text editor out there. TextMate, but it costs about $1000 for you PC folks (you'll need a Mac). Lots of the PC folks salivating for TextMate for Windows (mostly Rails developers in corp environments) look at the e text editor. In the PC world, I'd think Notepad++ if a fine solution unless you've already bought TextPad. I liked TextPad's regex search/replace better and writing the macros. And if you're on Linux, I'll let you fight it out between vi and emacs :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:289089 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
SOT: CF makes an appearance on Daily WTF
Folks, I rarely pass on random links, but for those of you that don't follow the Daily WTF? for examples/stories/screenshots of bad code/etc in action, today's installment features code written in *ColdFusion* http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Ph33r-my-5k1llz!.aspx Take that, you C++ programmers! We can write code *just as bad* as you do :) (Clearly the issue isn't CF -- it's being stupid about security. REALLY stupid.) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288929 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PURE apache configuration question
The most likely difference is in permissions, particularly groups, depending on how your apache is installed and how you copied things over. There's a good chance that your htaccess file has the wrong permissions/ownership depending on the details of how it was uploaded and tweaked once there. On 9/14/07, Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any easy to way to determine whether or not the 'mod_alias module needed for the redirect directive is or is not correctly installed? ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288495 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: PHP or .Net?
Isn't that pretty much the same as Flash ;) On 9/13/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey - someone should write a cf interperter for logo. Ie cf_logo name=foo commands here /cf_logo cfimage action=writeToBrowser source=#foo# On 9/13/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/07, John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:... I don't know -- that summer class in LOGO really has paid off for me :) forward 100! That comment had me laughing inside, John. Great stuff. Did I mention I was 12 at the time :) I was 6! (or maybe 5) =] First school I ever got kicked out of... for being late, teach said. :-( (:]) ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: MSSQL Timeout (Connection: reset)
On 9/13/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's weird is this happens on three different VMWare machines running on the same server as the db (this is in a dev environment). I do know that the host machine, which also runs the db, was upgraded to SP2 for Windows 2003 server. Other CF boxes (eg developer machines) and MSSQL tools can connect fine, but not any of the virtual machines. Can you connect to any other service on the host machine from the VM? Ironically there were few other easy-to-test services on the host. I can't connect to the web server on it, nor can I connect from the host to the web server on the guest machines. Can you see the database port as open from the VM using telnet or a port scanner? On the list to check -- it seems like it's a problem with TCP traffic from the host to the client since ICMP (eg ping) and netbios work. I also can't connect to shares on the host, but can connect to shares on the NAS Which virtual network adapter are you using, vlance or vmxnet? Bridged networking using vmxnet (2.0.0.5 is the version). All of that information on all the machines looks correct and the router shows the MAC addresses all match the IPs/leases. Can you connect to services on other VMs or physical servers from the affected VMs? I can connect to the web servers from one vm to another, but not from host to vm or vm to host. What does your vmware.log file have to say? The debugging log has been pretty useless -- nothing network-related with errors, even when debug logging is turned on. Thanks for the reality check -- I'm a *longtime* VMWare user and have to say this is puzzling (for the record, it's VMWare Server 1.0.3) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288356 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RESOLVED: MSSQL Timeout (Connection: reset)
On 9/12/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, Puzzled about this error message. ColdFusion 7.02/Std on Windows 2003/Web connecting to a different machine running MSSQL2000/Std on Windows 20003/Std. Rebooted everything after months of being fine and getting a timeout error The error message from the runtime log is SQLException while attempting to connect: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]A problem occurred when attempting to contact the server (Server returned: Connection reset). Please ensure that the server parameters passed to the driver are correct and that the server is running. Also ensure that the maximum number of connections have not been exceeded for this server. [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]A problem occurred when attempting to contact the server (Server returned: Connection reset) What's weird is this happens on three different VMWare machines running on the same server as the db (this is in a dev environment). I do know that the host machine, which also runs the db, was upgraded to SP2 for Windows 2003 server. Other CF boxes (eg developer machines) and MSSQL tools can connect fine, but not any of the virtual machines. Ideas? Wow. Finally got this fixed and is it a doozy. Turns out that Windows 2003 SP2 has some code it in that enables(?)/changes(?)/breaks some of the higher-end features (like TCP Offloading and RSS) in the Broadcom GBit controller that, among other machines, is onboard for Dell 29XX series servers. Directions to fix it are here using two registry tweaks are here http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=78606start=30tstart=0 Uninstalling SP2 apparently works, as does a routing trick, but disabling the features in the card seemed the best choice to me and worked on the first try. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
MSSQL Timeout (Connection: reset)
Folks, Puzzled about this error message. ColdFusion 7.02/Std on Windows 2003/Web connecting to a different machine running MSSQL2000/Std on Windows 20003/Std. Rebooted everything after months of being fine and getting a timeout error The error message from the runtime log is SQLException while attempting to connect: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]A problem occurred when attempting to contact the server (Server returned: Connection reset). Please ensure that the server parameters passed to the driver are correct and that the server is running. Also ensure that the maximum number of connections have not been exceeded for this server. [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]A problem occurred when attempting to contact the server (Server returned: Connection reset) What's weird is this happens on three different VMWare machines running on the same server as the db (this is in a dev environment). I do know that the host machine, which also runs the db, was upgraded to SP2 for Windows 2003 server. Other CF boxes (eg developer machines) and MSSQL tools can connect fine, but not any of the virtual machines. Ideas? -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288336 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Replacing the CFDJ awards.... ?
Folks, While I'm certainly neither surprised or upset by the demise of CFDJ, I always did get a lot of vicarious pleasure out of the yearly CFDJ awards. Regardless of the value of such awards (and no offense to any recipients or nominees) such a popularity contest is always useful in one way or another. So who's stepping up to take over? :) Not me ;) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288090 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: MS SQL 2005 and CFMX 7.02Ent
On 9/7/07, Wil Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking this got lost in yesterday's backlog. Does anyone have any clues on this? Not directly, but 2 years ago I did do some analysis of MSSQL JDBC drivers as part of a project and we ended up looking at both jTurbo (from NewAtlanta) and JTDS (open source http://jtds.sourceforge.net/) in addition to MS's driver. The MS driver was awful (this was the 1.0beta) and JTDS was *really* fast. Info is two years old, but it's pretty easy to try either the demo of jTurbo or the open source JTDS option to see if they address the issue. Ironically, about 80% of my ColdFusion work in the MX6-7 era was using non-bundled drives, JTDS in some cases for MSSQL and of course always the MySQL driver that supported MySQL 4.1+. Thankfully in CF8 there is a finally decent MySQL 4/5 driver -- Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. Wil Genovese wrote: Ok, we recently switched to running MS SQL 2005 servers in an Active/Passive cluster on Win2003 (64Bit). While we were testing we had no issues with DB access. After migrating most of our databases to the SQL 2005 Cluster we are not getting the same error a few times a day that crashes our whole CFMX application (which is running behind a load balancer across three CFMX servers. The error we see is this: (note: az_tar is a valid name of a DB) Message: Error Executing Database Query. Detail: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Cannot open database az_tar requested by the login. The login failed. Date: 09/05/2007 Time: 06:16:08 The login permissions are set right and have not changed from the previous server to this server cluster. Also, the logins work most of the day without an issue then all of a sudden for reasons unknown to us this error pops up across most or all the databases on this server. We found a MS JDBC driver (Microsoft SQL Server 2005 JDBC Driver 1.1) that they state In its continued commitment to interoperability, Microsoft provides a Java Database Connectivity (JDBC) driver for use with SQL Server 2005. My questions are: Has anyone see this issue before? And if so, what was the problem/solution? Has anyone tried this MS JDBC Driver and what were your results? Thank You, Wil Genovese ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287995 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Light-duty CF intranet server?
On 9/7/07, Pete Ruckelshaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd do something like this: * Base Dell Poweredge or similar with dual core CPU * Minimum 2GB RAM * A pair of SATA drives in RAID1 (software RAID at the OS level would be fine) * MS Windows Server 2003 Web Edition * MS SQL Server 2005 Express (standard won't run on the web edition OS) * CF or BD (might qualify as a BD Free edition install) I'll vote for this as well. I've got a client that's repurposed their main application for a couple of very small state agency clients using a similar setup. Their big version runs on a 2 member cluster of CF7/Win2k3 Web Edition/Apache2 with a MSQQL2000Std/Win2k3Std db server all on medium-sized configurations of Dell 1850 racks. The small installation of the same software uses a Dell 740 rackmount (P4, SATA RAID1) running Win2k3 Web/Apache2/MSSQL2005Express all on one box. That's a glorified rackmounted desktop machine :) Cost for the box+os was something like $1200 when purchased a few years ago. As an aside, the only serious limits for MSSQL2005 Express are the 4gb per database limit and potentially the 1 CPU limit (keeps the server cheap though -- no need for dual proc since you can't use it directly, though the 2nd proc will help CF). And the best news is you can implement this on a fairly vanilla desktop to get started assuming you can deal with the whole data redundancy issue (a nightly backup may be good enough if you don't need sophisticated RAID reliability). -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287996 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Light-duty CF intranet server?
The only tag I would miss with the free edition is cfdocument, but it's not a deal breaker. Are there any other things that I am likely to miss in wandering outside of the CF server green zone? I've got nothing against BD, but personally I find it's a bad idea to deal with two slightly different platforms, whether it's BD and CF or CF7 and CF8 or any other pairing that will inevitably burn you . If your company runs CF7, I'd buy CF7. The server plus the license are in the $50-100/user range if you're really talking about 25-50 users. By most measures that's what, cost of coffee service for a year? :) Basically, running two platforms to save a little money in my experience never does. Of course if you've got a CF5 application for the company, then you're running a different version of CF regardless that's just as bad as the BD vs CF (or Railio for that matter) difference and just a likely to burn time/money down the road. One potential piece of your ROI calculation could involve using CF8 on the new development (esp if you're running CF7 in production) and use the new, internal, in-many-ways-less-risky development to get up to speed on the new features/platform before upgrading the main systems to CF8 which could justify both the license and your time. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF and Ajax features - download now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:288007 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP or .Net?
On 9/6/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, Michael E. Carluen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any thoughts on Ruby and Python? I keep trying Ruby but I just can't enjoy it - the syntax just annoys me (I don't like Perl or PHP either) - and Rails relies so heavily on conventions that I find it annoying as well. I can't get all the way through most of the tutorials without getting frustrated at how many times I have to keep switching between an editor and the command line and back because of all the script/generate and rake stuff. Just an aside, since I saw Joe mention a similar frustration with the command line and Rails at one point a while back... I hardly *ever* have to switch between the editor and the command line unless I want to use the console for debugging or quick edits/tweaks (ie hooking into script/console) when I'm developing in Rails. TextMate and RadRails/Aptana (for Eclipse) definitely handle all the typical generation and rake tasks while ActiveSoftware's Komodo adds debugging support. The downside is the tutorials generally focus on lowest-common-denominator (text editor and command line) and it's hard to invest the time in an unfamiliar GUI *and* an unfamiliar language. But since there are so many CFEclipse users (many using Aptana, right?) that it just makes sense to take a look at RadRails if you're trying Rails. Its all so incredibly clunky... Maybe it's because I really don't like code generation... With Ruby all about meta, code generation is hard to avoid. Your dislike of code generation would make an interesting post :) I don't like Python much either. I can't really point at anything about the language that bothers me but it I just get bored working through any of the tutorials and the language just makes me yawn :( I saw negative indexes for arrays and immediately thought duh! why don't more languages have that. The Data Crunching book from the PragProgrammers made me rethink Python for glue (and of course there are a few smart folks at Google, including Guido, so figured there's got to be a good reason for using it. But I'm still not doing Django. Programmers I respect seem to like Groovy and Grails so they're on my list to look at. Definite +1 to Groovy/Grails. I started with Groovy first about 4 years ago, and then it got bogged down in JSR arguments for 2-3 years as the two lead developers feuded. Argh. But since Groovy is Java+scripting+syntax_sugar it's a great choice for CF developers since, well, ColdFusion is Java+scripting+completely_new_syntax_with_some_sugar. Since Ruby is going to basically deploy to Java for many folks through JRuby, the discussion with a client ends up with it's a Java app and no one cares too much about JRuby, Groovy, or CF details. Partly I'm a bit jaded about languages... I learned a lot of different languages at university (I think I had just over a dozen languages under my belt by the time I graduated in 1983) and so most of the languages that have been created in the last ten years just don't excite me... I don't know -- that summer class in LOGO really has paid off for me :) As for FORTRAN (Dinner!), I love the fact that spaces are irrelevant and you have to parse ahead an arbitrary amount to figure out what a statement means: do10i=1.3 do10i=1,3 MAKE IT STOP! Too many numerical recipes from my grad work looked like this. Nothing like learning Fortran77 for doing some quantum physics. Argh. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287904 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PHP or .Net?
On 9/6/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/07, John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:... I don't know -- that summer class in LOGO really has paid off for me :) forward 100! That comment had me laughing inside, John. Great stuff. Did I mention I was 12 at the time :) ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287935 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: PHP or .Net?
On 9/5/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For about 5 years I am using CF as my main devloping laguage but many experienced programmers suggested I learn another programming language too because CF is great but not as popular as PHP or .Net Which one do you suggest as the second language I learn? The only thing I ever used is Coldfusion. I don't think you'll actually learn anything new from PHP but you may find it easier to pick up if you've only done CF. I think PHP is a *horrible* language but a lot of people think I'm a bit of a language purist (I've designed a couple of languages and written compilers and interpreters so I probably have a different view of languages to most folks :) I agree with Sean. PHP is going to be same-old, same-old with slightly different syntax. The only big pluses I see for you learning PHP is being able to do some open source work and to learn one of the big PHP apps like Drupal (there is MAD money in Drupal development, esp as the political season kicks in) and the big CMSes like Joomla! and Mambo. C# / .NET will be a good learning experience in terms of new concepts and it's fairly marketable. Java would also be a similarly good learning experience (and is also fairly marketable). I'd lean towards Java here since it dovetails nicely with ColdFusion in a lot of ways. I know .NET does now with CF8 as well, but in a CF shop, Java seems to be the next step in many cases. Of course if you hate your current job, .NET might be a good choice to help get out :) I generally suggest that folks learn new languages for the concepts they can teach rather than how marketable a specific language is - the more languages you know, the easier it is to pick up the marketable languages - and unusual languages teach you a lot more than mainstream languages, in terms of techniques (many of which will make you a better CF programmer!). Consequently, I recommend learning unusual stuff like Smalltalk, Prolog and Haskell... And of course I'd recommend taking a look at Ruby and Rails if you're solidly in the web space. You get a lot of the object-orientation as well as a lot of things you can apply back to CF (frameworks, testing, mixins, etc). Plus its fun :) Regards, John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287819 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF vs. PHP
On 8/29/07, Dave l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, im not trolling, it was a serious ? And of course its as good as who codes it but thats just the code and i'd imagine the issue is more about the server itself, I don't honestly know but would like to and thats why i asked as I have heard many people say that security is a big disadvantage of php. I remember some big exploits on the server but not exactly what they were. The bulk of the highly publicized security issues with PHP have been with open source apps that have SQL injection, XSS, and similar vulnerabilities (eg -- coder-related problems). Like i said, im not trolling but would like to know for my own personal benefit and to have the correct info. Secunia is a good place to look for reported vulnerabilities for any major product: ColdFusion 7.x has 0/13 unpatched (http://secunia.com/product/4984/) Zend Platform 2.x (PHP) has 0/2 unpatched (http://secunia.com/product/11679/) Rails 1.x has 0/2 unpatched (http://secunia.com/product/11350/) ASP.NET 1.x has 4/7 unpatched (http://secunia.com/product/2173/) That's reported vunlerabilities in the product itself. Doesn't honestly mean that much, but it's a better metric than guessing :) Security is an issue with all exposed languages?? Its only as good as the codemonkey writing it? Yahoo uses PHP? Directnic Uses PHP? James I will put up some examples been really busy past couple days. Dave im sorry if I am wrong but that really appears to be a Troll Response Eric Haskins Out of curiosity, do you worry about security with php? I haven't been in touch with it much lately but I have read the articles where the guy in charge of trying to make php more secure quit and said it was a battle that couldn't be won. ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SQL - dupicate table
How about INSERT INTO new_table SELECT * FROM old_table On 8/31/07, daniel kessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a table and I'd like to duplicate all of it's data to another table. I've set the second table to have the same structure. How do I go about transferring that data through SQL? It'll be a one-time transfer. I'd like to do the whole table at once, but if I have to do field by field, then that's okay too. Here's my attempt at doing the first field, which failed: update timesheets_tmp set date_added = ( select date_added from timesheets ) It executes fine but timesheets_tmp isn't updated. thank you. ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287524 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF vs. PHP
Now it's been 7 years since I've done any PHP development. Am I being ignorant by thinking the only reason why this guy wants me to develop in PHP is for his own job security (since he doesn't know CF)? Sure, that makes sense. Manage what you know. There's also many more PHP developers relatively speaking, which makes hiring for the team/replacement/maintenance easier. Or is legitimate to keep consistency in the languages used within the organization? That's a huge plus, but it's all relative. Some shops like to standardize, some like to pick the right tool for the job and pay the additional maintenance overhead, some like to go with a particular vendor/platform. Etc etc. FWIW, PHP today is *very* different from PHP circa 2000, just as ColdFusion is different today as opposed to in 2000 Both have made the jump to objects, CF is really Java under the hood and PHP is headed there, and there's plenty of other changes to both. One thing I'd suggest is looking at the CAKE framework, which is one of the defacto choices for new PHP development (much like Rails is in the Ruby world or Django in the Python world). The big factor for me personally for an *accounting* project would be reporting. PHP has really poor options for reporting other than do-it-yourself HTMLy stuff. ColdFusion has pretty good options as of late and both .NET and Java have excellent options (JasperReports and Datavision being two great open source options from the Java world). Now if you're using something like Access or Crystal to generate the reports directly off the database, that's not an issue. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287183 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
IIS Rewriting options
Folks, I'm moving a moderately high-volume site from Apache to IIS6/Win2k3. We're using mod_rewrite under Apache for a few URL redirects (simply, 'hardcoded' friendly urls) and need a replacement. I know that there's a slew of choices -- googling that's pretty easy. I'm looking instead for advice -- seems like http://www.codeplex.com/IIRF/ is a good choice since its open source, decent license, solves existing problems with other implementations, etc. Any advice pro/con? FWIW, moderate volume means ~1MBps 95% peak. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287202 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Fwd: IIS Rewriting options
On 8/27/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Are you moving from Linux to Windows? Nope. Windows to Windows (self-hosted to higher-end custom hosting). The new hosting partner support involves less hassle if it's IIS/MSSQL or Apache/MySQL. We're currently Apache/MSSQL on Windows and it's just easier to move to IIS to avoid support problems down the road. Although I've never used any of the IIS rewriting tools, just wanted to let you know that Apache runs quite happily on Windows as well. Quite well indeed -- and I'm quite aware. I became an Apache on Windows convert b/c of the lack of virtual hosting on MS PWS or whatever it was called. Of course now I'm a Mac guy so it's a moot point. One Apache plus is that you've got access to cool things like mod_rewrite and mod_proxy (especially the Apache 2.2 version). No, I'm personally not thrilled about the switch, but it's *much* easier than having the Apache/Linux support and the Windows/MSSQL support argue about why there's a problem down the road. FWIW, I got the IIFR open source rewrite ISAPI filter running with *very* little effort using the same rule (minus the [PT,L] flags) as in mod_rewrite. That's kinda' cool. (Means this probably is a good solution for IIS/Rails ;) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287224 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: IIS Rewriting options
On 8/27/07, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used this for clients as well as personally and it's solid. Pro is limited RegEx support. Con is limited RegEx support. This simply means you have to be a bit creative with your redirect code as well as some ColdFusion pages to deal with logic that the isapi can't. Things that require a DB for example. Right now the rule is RewriteRule ^/word$ /index.cfm?fuseaction=info.word Nothing too sophisticated :) Thanks for the info to everyone. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:287225 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Unit Testing Code Coverage
On 8/20/07, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone aware of a code coverage tool for CF unit tests? If not, how are the rest of you handling unit test coverage (if at all)? I get this question a lot since I'm doing a lot of automation/testing consulting in the CF world and the answer is no. With the size of the market for code coverage in CF (quite small compared to Java, Ruby, etc) it's unlikely to come from anywhere but a community effort. - Rich Kroll ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:286682 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: (ColdFusion 8) Payflowpro CFX error
I've been using it in development (eg not under heavy load) on my Mac
using CF8 Developer with no problems, though I did have to manually
add the com.allaire.cfx sitting in
{application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/lib
As an aside, I did make sure I was running the latest version of the
PayFlowPro library, which was recompiled for CF7 a couple years ago
-- it's available through the PayPal Manager (downloads)
On 8/15/07, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was just told by someone here that the Payflowpro CFX threw an error on
ColdFusion 8 and he had to move back to 7. Has anyone else seen any problems
with this CFX on 8? Was there a solution the the problem?
Thanks
(and yes, I'm about to install it on a test server to see what happens myself)
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Re: CFEclipse amp; Version Control?
There's a lot of plugins available for version control in Eclipse http://www.eclipse.org/community/team.php any major and/or commercial version control system should have a provider. And if your provider doesn't, you're probably using the wrong one :) Basically, you should start by asking your vendor if it's commercial or googling (or the above link) if your vc system is open source to find the appropriate Eclipse plugin On 8/2/07, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure people are using CFEclipse with SVN but has anyone else use any other VC software in conjunction with CFE? Just wondering how well others integrate with CFE. TIA! CVS integration is built into Eclipse and totally seamlesst. IMNSHO its a better implementation of CVS than tortiseCVS. Otherwise there are plugins for other forms of source control. Subclipse works very well, and there are a couple out there for VSS, but I know very little about them. regards, larry ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Using SOAP in the biz tier with CF on the VC
Folks, I'm curious to hear about experiences using CF as the web layer for SOA-oriented architectures. I'm looking at a project where there are SOAP-based components that are used as the core business layer (let's say they're a j2ee black box for these purposes) with applications built using ColdFusion as well as some integrations of 3rd party systems into the backend. Basically CF is a *consumer* of the objects like any of the other integrations. Thoughts? CF for the *backend* is definitely not in scope, but it seems to me that CF as a frontend (using Fusebox for example) is a lot easier than a full-fledged J2EE app using Struts/etc... Horror stories and great experiences would both be appreciated. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the What's New PDF now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285091 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Cold Fusion and VMWare?
On 7/25/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are testing to see if it is possible to run a Virtualized (VMWare) Version of a Cold Fusion application, which will be accessed by IP address. We have VMWare running on a test server and installed a virtualized version of the application and everything works. Sporadically, we get a Connection Reset by Peers error, that I have been unable to track down and resolve. We have looked at both the CF server and IIS logs and can't find any errors. It seems like we are getting a network error, but I am not looking in the right place to find the error. Has anyone ever used Cold Fusion with VMWare? Any ideas why we would sporadically get a connection error? Many people are running CF on VMware, even in production environments. +1 I'm running VMWare Server for several clients in production (and in dev/test), VMWare GSX2 in some existing installations, and VMWare Fusion here on my mac :) CF doesn't care and doesn't know. This doesn't look like an error specific to VMware, but virtual servers can have the same sort of problems as physical servers. Connection reset by peer typically indicates that the client is no longer listening for a response, which may happen if the response takes too long to get to the client. +1 I see this sporadically in some Apache logs w/ CF. Are you using bridged networking, or NAT for your VMware server? I would expect there to be some performance overhead with NAT, although I haven't done any real testing to see if that's the case. +1 I'd also check if you're using bridged networking that you're using a static IP and not DHCP with a short lease It's not your VMWare directly at least. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284618 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Model Glue - Fusebox - Mach II ...... Looking for Opinions
If everyone's worked with Fusebox, why not just pick Fusebox? There's always a lot of concern over performance and frameworks -- bluntly, unless you're doing *phenomenal* transaction volume with very tight time tolerances, the framework shouldn't be an issue. Scaling out horizontally or vertically is how you'll typically handle scaling, so the framework is a non-issue. And if it's that big a deal, you roll your own that focuses on performance or you throw bigger hardware at it until the problem disappears. If most of your application is reporting, then the databases (and correspondingly disk) are going to be the noticeable bottlenecks, not the parsing of the XML for a framework file. If you don't have time to play with them, then go with what your developers know. You're not going to have detailed performance information without spending time playing with them against your code. If your developers are not very experienced in OO development, that's another big plus for Fusebox. And with the declarative model of Fusebox, porting an existing application over is fairly straightforward since the top level fuses are already specified. You could quickly implement a MVC-oriented container using Fusebox5, use your existing CFINCLUDed code in the appropriate place (model in model, controller in controller, etc) and you'd be Fuseboxed. Using the something like MG or MachII has the additional overhead of really getting familiar with OO, which might be too big an initial bite. On 7/23/07, Jason Fill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for several opinions on all these frameworks and any others. Currently we are trying to figure out which one(s) we need to focus on evaluating so start a plan to port our current system into a framework. Our current system is basically a ton of cfincludes with the data access display and business logic all wrapped together. We would like to of course standardize the way new parts of the application are built so all three developers are writing virtually the same type code. The application is HUGE with a lot of reporting, I would say that virtually 70% of the application is reporting. Many of these reports are driven from one time use queries - basically queries that cannot be reused in other places. One concern is that a framework might add too much overhead to the application because of the use of XML files etc. The only framework any of the three has worked with is Fusebox(2 thru 5). It is acknowledged that we really should start using a framework but we just don't know which one is going to scale the best for us and makes the most sense. As a side note - we do not have time to really play with all the frameworks to see which one we like the best - that just not possible. Thanks Jason ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around the world in government. Find out how and where now http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finderproductID=1522loc=en_us Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: MySQL for Windows compiled versions
On 7/20/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or just more to a freeier database like MySQL or PostgreSQL. Of course MySQL (which I'm a huge fan of) now effectively charges for the Windows version (or at least they're not compiling it) *Eh* ? http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.0.html#win32 looks pre-built to me. In contrast to the MySQL Enterprise Server, which receives both monthly rapid updates and quarterly service pack releases, there is *no specific schedule* for when a new version of the MySQL Community Server is released. While every bug fix that has been applied to the Enterprise Server will also be available in the subsequent Community Server release, there will be source-only releases in between full (source and binary) Community builds. So while the latest published community sources will always be available from the Source Downloads Section, the binaries listed on this page may be from a previous release. In any case, full binaries for all our supported operating systems are and will remain conveniently available from this page. Sure it is, but it's not always current. I've seen it take as long as a month for the latest build to make it into precompiled format on Windows. It's no worse than what Windows users have to suffer if they want Apache with SSL :) In both cases, there are folks in the community that fill the gap, but its not quite as easy as make install, yum/apt/whatever, or sudo port upgrade. I should have been specific about my criticism being the speed of tracking. It used to track great, now it's just OK without the enterprise subscription (which is pretty awesome in and of itself). -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: apache - iis gotchas?
On 7/18/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: apache - iis gotchas? * get an IIS SSL cert instead of our Apache one (at least that's what Verisign tells us) If Verisign is willing to reissue the cert without charging you, yes. If not, I suspect you can convert certificate formats easily enough with OpenSSL. FWIW, they'll do it for $100 (unless it's in the first 30 days). Or so they tell me today :) Isn't the godaddy cert only $20? Something like that -- but lots of businesses (or at least this one) wants Verisign. Period. At least they're not pushing for the extended validation one that's $1495 and gives you a green bar in Vista or whatever marketing nonsense. Russ ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284013 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: managing multiple dev environments
On 7/18/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 17 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also pony up the $50/per head for MSSQL Developer edition Or just more to a freeier database like MySQL or PostgreSQL. Of course MySQL (which I'm a huge fan of) now effectively charges for the Windows version (or at least they're not compiling it) so you need their Enterprise subscription, which is really cool, or the patience to compile it under Windows. And it's all a moot point if you've got multiple clients with MSSQL databases -- you'll need a way to manage MSSQL on the developer's side and that's MSSQL Dev Edition. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284014 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: managing multiple dev environments
On 7/18/07, Kris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The data is quite volatile. The schema typically has some changes during each release cycle. We currently point at shared DBs, which I'm thinking is the direction we'll stick with. But we are talking about all of the suggestions mentioned here. I can see the benefit in having local DB as well--in fact this is how I've developed in the past, and understand how easily this scenario can break the app for other developers (who may not be in a position to update their local code-base for whatever reason). What it seems to sound like is that the database differences need to be managed somewhat like the code -- with the capability to branch/merge/etc. There are ways to set that up, ranging from db scripts to storing the appropriate version of the actual database (in this case, a .BAK file perhaps) in the source control system. For example, using SVN, you can define an external link from a particular codebase to a particular branch or even revision of the database repository/tree/branch and lock the two (code and data) together. Add a generic osql load script to load the db into your local MSSQL and you're set (though a naming convention probably helps keep running the multiple versions in check) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284016 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFR compatibility between CF7 and CF8?
Folks, I'm sure I'm just not looking in the right place in the beta docs for CF8, but I'm curious if I can build reports in CF8 Report Builder (on Windows, of course) and then run the resulting report successfully on CF7. Any advice? -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284019 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: apache - iis gotchas?
On 7/18/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: apache - iis gotchas? On 7/18/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: apache - iis gotchas? * get an IIS SSL cert instead of our Apache one (at least that's what Verisign tells us) If Verisign is willing to reissue the cert without charging you, yes. If not, I suspect you can convert certificate formats easily enough with OpenSSL. FWIW, they'll do it for $100 (unless it's in the first 30 days). Or so they tell me today :) Isn't the godaddy cert only $20? Something like that -- but lots of businesses (or at least this one) wants Verisign. Period. At least they're not pushing for the extended validation one that's $1495 and gives you a green bar in Vista or whatever marketing nonsense. Godaddy has those for $500... Right, but it's still not Verisign -- sometimes there's no choice. I just generate the CSR :) Russ ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284024 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
apache - iis gotchas?
Folks, I've been using Apache for years now and I have a client making the transition from Apache to IIS (don't ask, it doesn't matter why ;) So I've got a couple of servers that are making the transition of Apache (on Windows2003) to IIS (on Windows2003), more or less in place. I can take one out the lineup to work on and test once we've got it knocked out in the dev/staging area, but I'm still a little worried I'm missing something since it's been a while Any particular gotchas I need to worry about? There's some virtual hosting going on, but everything else is pretty vanilla CF7/Standard. I know I need to * get an IIS SSL cert instead of our Apache one (at least that's what Verisign tells us) * run the connector script to get CF7 hooked into IIS Anything else? The last time I seriously dealt with IIS/CF was WinNT/CF5 ;) It seems like there's really not much I need to worry about but thought I'd throw it out for discussion -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:283900 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: managing multiple dev environments
On 7/17/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 17 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are others doing to address similar problems? One named-based virtual host in the webserver for each client/option springs to mind. I'd second that. The only other way is to only work on one configuration at a time -- you need to either match number of configurations to active versions or vice-versa. Personally, I'd *definitely* have one version of the site and db for each configuration as a virtual host on the integration server. I'd also pony up the $50/per head for MSSQL Developer edition so each user can have their own copy of the database(s) locally which avoids even more problems (like changing schema based on development work by two different people on the same base configuration). Assuming you can automate deployment to the appropriate virtual server (eg using Ant or something similar) then you're in good shape to have the conversation shift more to X is broken on config1 but it's find on config2 since both are live and running. Add some Selenium test scripts and you're in business :) -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:283903 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: managing multiple dev environments
On 7/17/07, Kris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks so much Barney. We had written a tool to do cross-site updates for SQL integration, but it hasn't been proven-out yet, so it'll be good to see how your tool handles this issue. Will download and read included docs now! Tom John, we do use virtual dirs in IIS for handling different clients in dev (across the same code-base). Where we have been coming up short, I think, is that we don't have as many dev DBs as configs that we need to run. It sounds like if we were doing that, the config issue would be a non-issue (the config is spec'd per client). Then we wouldn't be turning x-option on/off on any specific client. Tom: (never saw your post, but saw the reference in John's post. There may have more you said that I missed) As for running local DBs, not sure that is an option as our DB is large. That would mean regular downloads/restores on every dev station? This does beg the question of how we'll manage keeping our dev data in tune. It's time consuming with 1 or 2 DBs, but start talking 9 or 10, we're looking at a lot of time. There's two pieces, right -- schema, and data. Developers need the schema and enough data, whatever that means.I find the redgate software tools are pretty spectacular as an aside for both moving/syncing schema and data. I'd be interested in any good Ant references anyone can throw my way as well. Pragmatic Project Automation with Ant is a good lite start. You can also take a look at the DBUnit task for Ant which will help you reset your database(s)... :) Thanks much, Kris ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:283927 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: apache - iis gotchas?
* get an IIS SSL cert instead of our Apache one (at least that's what Verisign tells us) If Verisign is willing to reissue the cert without charging you, yes. If not, I suspect you can convert certificate formats easily enough with OpenSSL. FWIW, they'll do it for $100 (unless it's in the first 30 days). Or so they tell me today :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:283957 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Session Variable Types
On 7/17/07, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It depends. :) I mean seriously - consider your example of a session variable for a hit counter. If you don't lock it, I could in theory open a bunch of tabs and make that # inaccurate. So, um, who cares? I've made my own hit count high. Unless you are running a contest, it doesn't matter. So my real point is - if the # isn't critical (like you are working for NASA), then I wouldn't worry about the locking. Or if it's *really* worth reporting, get it from a reliable source. For example, maybe from the webserver log, which is a lot less ambigious than a session/application/etc-based counter. Let's not even get into dealing with clusters :) On 7/17/07, Peterson, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eek, I don't know that I agree with you on that one Ray. If you really don't care if the viewed page stats is accurate, why bother coding it at all? Maybe I'm just bitter, because I do internal reporting and have to prove my numbers to the nth degree, but I would never put out a number I thought wouldn't be 100% accurate. Just my $.02! Chris Peterson Gainey IT Adobe Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Session Variable Types On 7/17/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 17 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although he said he'd heard you didn't need to lock j2ee session variables. Oh dear... cfset session.inaccurateCountOfPagesViewed = session.inaccurateCountOfPagesViewed + 1 / :-) Of course, one could argue that a stat like that may not be important enough for a lock. If you were simply reporting your pages viewed then you could can probably just not worry about it. -- === Raymond Camden, Camden Media Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : ray.camdenfamily.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:283958 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Ant Logging
ant -v gives a lot of information while ant is running (eg every action performed by the SVN task instead of [svn] checkout started/stopped). If you're running automatically you can pipe that to a file or use one of the listeners to write more sophisticated logs On 7/10/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick questions for those in the know. We're beginning to use Ant for our deployment process. I'm trying to figure out how to get a log of the file system changes that Ant performs during a sync operation (or a log of any operation for that matter). Any suggestions? Pointers in the right direction? -- Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://blog.cutterscrossing.com The best way to predict the future is to help create it ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:283388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: Subversion Revisions
On 6/21/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, quick OT. Moving to using Subversion in our dev environment (yeah!), but hitting a few stumbling blocks. I can 'export' a clean version of my 'HEAD', or any revision. But, I have a massive (3,000+ template) code base. Not every 'commit' to the system is tagged, or part of a branch. I reread your post and noticed this -- not sure what you mean about not every commit is tagged... tags are generally used to bundle up a bunch of changes to move it to qa/integration/uat/whatever. it's a snapshot of the repository status at a particular time you've pasted a label onto. So as you're working in trunk, you decide this is it, use svn copy to tag it as REL-1.0 and now you've got a reliable point to pull the release from, even while development is continuing in trunk. And as far as branches -- there shouldn't be all that many branches. Folks using SVN typically use branches for feature changes, releases, or in some cases individual developers. The most basic scenario is that everyone's working in trunk, you get to a point where it's ready to move to QA or production or whatever, you tag it, and then you use that tag for deploying. 3000 templates at @ 10kb each (generously large for CF imho) is still not all that much to deploy... 30mb uploads are quite feasible across a DSL modem let alone T1. I routinely deploy an 8gb application (mostly media content) using export from svn across a T1 line (unless it's an emergency - - then we push just the cf templates (assuming a cf prob) or run a USB drive the 30m out to the colo). How (or is it even possible) do I pull ONLY the modified files from the repository? I have SvnAnt installed within Eclipse, to utilize Ant with Subversion for creating builds and deployments, but I'm still struggling to get my head around all of this. You *could* create a patchfile, which contains all of the differences between two versions of something in the repository (eg a file, directory, or entire tree) and then apply the patchfile directly to your previous application to update it -- but that's a pretty unusual approach to build management that will probably bite you in the end. My general experience is that exports are the best way to go, though in some cases using svn checkouts on the *integration* server to manage the initial build works fine. Even in that case, the QA/UAT and definitely production builds are typically full exports. -- Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:281898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
OT: Small (tech) conference location in Rome?
Folks, Was wondering if anyone on the list has experience with a small conference center/hotel in Rome for a training-sized event. Suggestions would be appreciated. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:281523 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Shortlist of High-End (CF) Hosts?
On 6/6/07, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Paul Ashenfelter wrote: I'm curious what comparable hosts folks would suggest -- here's the list of what needs to be supported and leasable from the hardware side * firewalls in a failover configuration (eg a pair of Cisco PIX 515s) * load-balancers in a failover configuration (ed pair of Cisco local directors -- BigIP is probably overkill) * servers comparable to the Dell 1u, 2u, and 4u rackmount series * active sysadmin support Do you have geographical requirements / restrictions? All of the customer base is US, so I'd think that it needs to be a US-based host. Once the content is certified for their foreign partners (only ones on the list so far are UK and China) then we'd need localized hosts there as well -- but not holding my breath on that one. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Shortlist of High-End (CF) Hosts?
Folks, I've got a client getting ready to move a major CF/MSSQL site from a local colocation facility to a completely outsourced solution. I've had previous experience with Rackspace and am *very* happy with them as a choice, but I need to get a couple of competitive bids to ease the mind of everyone involved in writing checks. I'm curious what comparable hosts folks would suggest -- here's the list of what needs to be supported and leasable from the hardware side * firewalls in a failover configuration (eg a pair of Cisco PIX 515s) * load-balancers in a failover configuration (ed pair of Cisco local directors -- BigIP is probably overkill) * servers comparable to the Dell 1u, 2u, and 4u rackmount series * active sysadmin support While a little ColdFusion expertise on the side of the host would be nice, it's not required since that's the one thing we *do* have in house. The goal is to replace the colo, sysadmin, and hardware and turn that into a single monthly check. We'll also be rolling out some Linux-based Rails servers as things go forward, so a one-trick pony ISP focusing on CF isn't the optimal choice. Oh, as far as volume goes, it's less than 1MBbs or so at 95% peak and gets about 20k uniques/month so it's not a super-high volume site, we've just got a requirement for reliability (thus the failover, load-balancing, and active support) Suggestions other than Rackspace? I've also worked with ServerVault in the past when *security* was the driver (eg they had 24 hours or something crazy of air supply for the staff...) but don't need that here. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280238 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Shortlist of High-End (CF) Hosts?
On 6/6/07, Mik Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always though having cots in the rack room was a buzz-term. Having air supply on hand beats that hands down. Do they walk around with it on their backs? Nope -- it's a separate supply to parts of the building (so they said). They do have security, however, walking around with guns. IMHO, I can't image that my apps are really relevant if hosts in DC need an air supply or to fire weapons ;) Mik Suggestions other than Rackspace? I've also worked with ServerVault in the past when *security* was the driver (eg they had 24 hours or something crazy of air supply for the staff...) but don't need that here. Michael Muller Admin, MontagueMA.net Website work (413) 863-0030 cell (413) 320-5336 skype: michaelBmuller http://www.MontagueMA.net Eschew Obfuscation ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280257 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/5/07, Doug Bezona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C. This brings us back to the question... what makes this a good idea? Why overly complicate something? While it may not be common, there are a lot of large organizations out there with multiple applications in multiple languages. Having a tool that can integrate these applications can be very powerful. Getting a couple of developers up to speed on CF to write some glue code to get, say a .NET app and a PHP app talking to one another may make more sense than completely porting applications to another language. This isn't just an abstract scenario - this is a potential solution to a real world situation I was in a year or so ago - two large (50+) development teams combined - one team was .NET, one was Java, and they wanted to create a system that could leverage apps from both teams. The solution, at the time, was to choose .NET as the standard, and port all of the Java code. Ick. Now with CF8's .NET support, one or two developers could simply have created the bridge app, and the rest of the developers could have continued moving forward with either Java or .NET or both. Though one could argue that today, the right solution would be to put web service (SOAP, REST, whatever) around the various services produced by each group in a SOA architecture. In that scenario, ColdFusion is not really needed to provide the bridge. Sharing objects directly is useful in some situations; sharing data though IMHO seems the more necessary integration challenge. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| CF 8 â Scorpio beta now available, easily build great internet experiences â Try it now on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/5/07, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: RE: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page but I just don't see much value for PHP integration. You just *know* there are people out there who think running Drupal from within ColdFusion would be a good idea. shudders Clearly those people have never tried to develop with Drupal :) That'll fix them. Damien McKenna Web Developer -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280098 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/5/07, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Rick Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page A. You're a hosting company and it's a lot simpler to all of sudden be offering PHP and Ruby hosting without having to install the extra bits on the server. You have less maintenance and your clients programs run a bit faster than most other hosts. I would say this would not be the case. You're still going to have maintenance issues because you've got extra software installed. From what I've seen you also are not going to be able to automagically run existing PHP, Ruby, etc software out of the box, there would be a great deal of modification required to get the files to parse, BICBW. I have to agree this is little crazy -- how does allowing folks to combine PHP and CF make an ISP's job *easier*? Enabling php is as simple as adding mod_php to apache or IIS. That was easy. But installing all this stuff on top of ColdFusion (plus buying a ColdFusion license) and caching all the PHP into application scope on a shared server. Yeah -- that's easy ;) Easy to kill a server. I think about the shared hosting issues that TextDrive has on their LAMP+Ruby boxes and they *know* what they're doing. Adding CF to that mix and running the LAMP stuff through there argh. Move me to dedicated.. Wait a sec -- that must be the goal of their evil plan -- moving folks off shared. Seriously though, other than session integration with PHP, or some edge case of a tool that's simply not available for CF (eg you just *have* to run Sparklines from Ruby) it seems like a great feature for integration of existing sites and not much more. It's just like using Java for integrating with CORBA in CF -- not something I'm doing often, but glad to know I can. Sun's mantra has always been the answer is Java, what's the question? and making it *the* cross-platform JRE for all the web-oriented scripting languages is huge for them and their Solaris and hardware sales. Running CF, Python (using Jython), Ruby (using JRuby) and PHP (using this weird bridge and eventually Zend's native Java scripting compliant version) all on a Java server makes deployment and server management folks pretty happy IMHO. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280099 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Run PHP code inline on a Coldfusion page
On 6/4/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If CF can leverage existing apps written in other languages even to a modest degree, this greatly increases the value of ColdFusion. Since PHP, Ruby, etc are free, the only possible value can come from integration between existing apps. I can see that value with Java, where I can use CF as essentially a replacement for a JSP view, but I just don't see much value for PHP integration. Except maybe integrating session data between sites that use multiple languages. I've been asked before to do things like mating a Ruby on Rails e-commerce application with a Drupal community site. Being able to share the session data directly seems (at least from THIS side of the project) a lot easier than trying to wrap each one as a service. Though IMHO, there are probably better ways to share common session data (typically login) using a single sign-on library like OpenID or the like. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:280074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
MySQL dead too? THE SKY IS FALLING -- oh wait, just a *another* set of lame articles
Since I've been continuing the whole CF is dead thing (for the record, idiotic article), here's one that will get bigger play since it was on Slashdot http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/25/205255 8 Reasons Not to Use MySQL http://www.cio.com/article/113111/Eight_Sound_Reasons_Not_to_Use_MySQL/4 oh wait http://www.cio.com/article/113110/Five_Compelling_Reasons_to_Use_MySQL/1 What a pair of poorly researched and argued articles -- both for and against. Something must be going around. Time to check the books sales and TIOBE :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Tiobe, O'Reilly Radar, and niches [WAS Re: ComputerWorld decl ares CF dead]
On 5/25/07, James Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense taken. I haven't bought a CF book in wow, nearly a decade since none of them are truly good. Like I said, the problem is the market is too small for a big publisher to take a risk. Breakeven on a book for an O'Reilly or Wiley is between 6000 and 8000 copies depending on the size/price, and all the investment is upfront. This is a catch-22. Assuming you are correct (a large if), then the onus clearly falls on Adobe to publish a quality reference book. If no one else can, and they decide not to, then they choose actively to watch CF crumble and eventually fail. Having written 3 books, been involved in reviewing them for 5 publishers, contributed to several more, and been through the proposal process with O'Reilly a number of times and knowing a number of other authors in the Java and database worlds, I can tell you with some authority that 6-8 thousand books is the breakeven ballpark for medium-sized tech books. Even if you are wrong and anyone could make money from a book, I don't know why Adobe wouldn't publish one. I can't imagine that the cost of producing and publishing a quality book would be more than a drop in the bucket next to the development cost of Scorpio. They have -- Ben's book. And they make a *ton* of money from it since there's effectively no competition. Little incentive for them to compete with themselves on a general book and little incentive to try and write a higher-end book for a smaller market (eg higher end CF developers). Java one gets 20-30k people; CFUnited gets something like 1500 (MAX is hard to count since it cuts across Flex, Flash, etc) so assuming 10% of those folks buy a given book it's easy to look at the math. If it was good business, they'd do it. That's all it is -- business. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279330 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ComputerWorld declares CF dead
On 5/25/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be sure and ask why VB6 and ASP classic are not listed ;-) While I'm no huge fan of either, if you look at objective metrics like Tiobe http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm (VB6 #5 vs CF #32) or the latest info from Tim O'Reilly's book sales information http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/05/state_of_the_co_10.html (10% market share among the major language sellers) you'll see that CF is by those two metrics not very popular. It's still a poorly researched, sensational, and idiotic article in ComputerWolrd (eg using the quote from an AS/400 shop to talk about the PC network being dead? An *AS/400* shop?) but I think we're all fooling ourselves if we think ColdFusion is poised for huge growth. The other interesting thing to take away from the O'Reilly article is the growth of *Actionscript* (I'll confirm w/ my buddy there that they include Flex there) but that's pretty solidly growing which is good for Adobe and good for our community. The Flex session/BOF at RailsConf in Portland last week overflowed into the hall which was interesting to say the least. -Original Message- From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 May 2007 09:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ComputerWorld declares CF dead I suggest if you really want to wake these people up send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vice president/editor in chief Then maybe stupid stories will be edited correctly ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Tiobe, O'Reilly Radar, and niches [WAS Re: ComputerWorld declares CF dead]
and they all have a market. CF, while probably more popular than anything in that short list, is a niche. Nothing wrong with filling your niche well and plenty of people can make a living doing it. I've at times worked with things like Cache (a object-oriented database that's big in healthcare) and folks like Gemstone make a spectacular amount of money in their Smalltalk niche. And frankly the Smalltalk guys are just as likely to rapidly defend the glory of Smalltalk :) But it's a niche. Not dead -- a niche. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279237 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: How do you stay up on blogs?
On 5/25/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/24/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a conversation I had with Sean Corfield the other day and being asked me, Don't you read my blog? and I had to admit that I hadn't in a long while, I starting thinking about how much I am missing by not having a good system in place for reading RSS feeds. I use NetNewsWire Pro ($25) on Mac which synchronizes with NewsGator online (I think FeedDemon does this too?). FeedDemon syncs with NewsGator as well. Newsgator built web and Outlook clients for RSS aggregation and then bought the best of breed on PC (FeedDemon) and Mac (NetNewsWire). I've used both and FeedDemon is one of three apps that I still run under Parallels on my Mac b/c I just can't live without it. NetNewsWire Pro was pretty hot too, and both have new versions out/beta but between the two clients and the online access it's hard to beat them. I have 193 individual blog feeds in NNW - I don't subscribe to aggregators because I like to be able to view an individual blog's posts. I have feeds grouped into about a dozen broad categories with a few uncategorized stragglers. Some groups I just briefly skim headlines, others I pay more attention to. Some of the stragglers are important feeds (like BART service advisories!). I check feeds about twice a days, flagging interesting sounding articles for when I have a bit more time. I go through flagged items every couple of days. I do a similar thing. FeedDemon also lets you set up searches and updates those everytime the feeds update, so you can search for something like Fusebox and all posts relating to that word get stored in the Search like it's a separate feed (basically it's a mini-aggregator using the search terms). To be fair, one thing in my favor is that I'm a speed reader with a semi-eidetic memory so I'm able to just see interesting phrases when I glance over a page. Even so, there are techniques that everyone can learn to improve there reading speed and observation skills which help with information management... I also find that over time, I know enough from the titles from a lot of my regular feeds whether it's going to be useful. Jeremy Zawodny has great info on MySQL and Y!, but a lot also about flying so I know now how to mentally filter it -- just like Sean and that stuff about cats ;) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279238 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ComputerWorld, CF, and reality...
On 5/25/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Title changed to protect the search engines;) I also agree that someone doesn't have an understanding of the ColdFusion job market. I recently had updated my resume on some of the job sites, and received literally hundreds of opportunities: http://blog.cutterscrossing.com/index.cfm/2007/4/17/The-Current-ColdFusion-Job-Market I have a pretty good idea of the mid-Atlantic region, having dealt with finding/hiring/vetting CF folks for a couple of clients over the past two years. I agree, it's hard to find a good one so we responded to just about anyone who sent in a resume with CF on it. The percentage of resumes than were worth a call was barely 20% and the number of qualified candidates was more like 5%. If I were a recruiter, I'd desperately contact any new person with CF on their resume to fill the pool of open slots. Personally, I think there's a pool of open CF jobs that's bigger than the qualified candidates, so from that perspective it's a programmer's market which is good for any of us with ColdFusion skills. But from a more absolute perspective, as far as total number of job postings (Tiobe for instance is a proxy for that) go, there's a fairly small pool of CF jobs on the *absolute* scale. Of course there was a very small number of jobs for Ruby programmers a year ago :) At least there's no doubting the passion of the ColdFusion community :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279240 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Tiobe, O'Reilly Radar, and niches [WAS Re: ComputerWorld decl ares CF dead]
On 5/25/07, James Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having written a few books (including ColdFusion ones) I'd suggest that the reason you don't see the ColdFusion books is that there's not a market for them. No offense to the books that you or Ben Forta have written, but I'm in the market for a good CF book. I just havent found even one good reference book written on MX7. No offense taken. I haven't bought a CF book in wow, nearly a decade since none of them are truly good. Like I said, the problem is the market is too small for a big publisher to take a risk. Breakeven on a book for an O'Reilly or Wiley is between 6000 and 8000 copies depending on the size/price, and all the investment is upfront. And of course you have to find an author who knows the space AND is willing to writing the book, which in my experience pays somewhere between minimum wage and spare change in the hourly department :) Then again if you go the self-publish route, you end up with marketing problems since BN/Borders/etc won't give you space and you're stuck competing and marketing on your own. That's a good thing about the CF list -- you've got a ready access to the faithful to market your book. But it's a small market. For arguments sake, Rails-Talk has just over 10k subscribers -- and the PragProgrammers have laughed all the way to the bank on that one. I think the good folks at HOF have managed to thread the needle by providing good content by good authors in a timely manner for a reasonable price. But if more folks paid for the quarterly, they can pay the authors better and the articles get better and the cycle continues upwards. That's probably the best hope for anyone that's not a rank amateur at CF. That and the conferences like cf.Objective and CFUnited. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279288 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Tiobe, O'Reilly Radar, and niches [WAS Re: ComputerWorld decl ares CF dead]
On 5/25/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it is! It always has been. It's good for exactly one thing - developing web applications. I'm going to take issue with that because pretty much all of the CF projects I've been involved with for the last few years have been middleware: web services, scheduled tasks and event gateways with hardly ever an actual web UI (beyond some minimal admin console). I suspect there's much more of that going on, hidden inside corporate firewalls, than we might imagine... I submit to you that (a) web services and other middleware are an integral part of web applications, and (b) you are not representative of the typical CF programmer, and those projects are not representative of the typical CF project. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ I'd further submit that there's a little of eating your own dogfood when choosing software to build your corporate middleware when you're a vendor of software that enables corporate middleware... Like .NET was an option :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279290 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Absolutely amazing article - who the hell writes this stuff?
On 5/25/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you'd never see an OS written in PHP or Ruby either. That argument doesn't hold water. I don't think PHP would be a good choice for teaching basic programming, either. Ruby would be suitable for that, on the other hand. For instance, http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/fr_ltp/index.html (Learning to Program, by Chris Pine, which happens to teach programming using Ruby) Heck, MIT uses Scheme http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/scheme/ to teach programming, right? And if memory serves, in many(?) European schools they use OCaml to teaching. Pascal used to be the one back in my day, but I'm sure by now none of you care much about what I think about programming :) Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279302 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Tiobe, O'Reilly Radar, and niches [WAS Re: ComputerWorld decl ares CF dead]
On 5/25/07, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can suggest is the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. Issue 1 was all of the CF 7 features you have not been using but should (like application.cfc). Issue 2 was all CF-OOP and Frameworks. Issue 3 just came out dealing with business issues such as How to Avoid Unpaid Consulting, Deconstructing the Consulting Contact and Making Google Pay. That's an excellent point -- the hybrid book/mag format the HOF has gone to is pretty much the only reference, other than Jeff Peter's books (which are only for Fusebox folks) that are anywhere near timely and useful The goal of the FAQU is to have up-to-date information that the community needs on their bookshelf. And we're the only CF journal in print as CFDJ has moved to PDF only. :) CFDJ has always had one major problem in that they don't pay authors -- O'Reilly pays in the $300-500 range and IBM alphaWorks pays more on the order of $1500 for a 2000 word article for *online* distribution. I think that probably says something about the market too. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279299 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Tiobe, O'Reilly Radar, and niches [WAS Re: ComputerWorld decl ares CF dead]
-- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279295 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: An OO Too Far?
I'm hoping to answer a bit of an old age question that I've been toiling with for time with reference to OO methods and how deeply they should be applied. I'm going to take a reasonably simple examples and try and get your thoughts on the best way to achieve this. For my example I'm thinking about an extension to my user authentication system, which will allow me to store basic details on what users on the system are currently doing. They should be applied where you have objects :) Now in my old application which was not OO I achieved this by creating an array in the application scope, this then help a bunch of user_id's, when a users session was created it placed them into this array as a 'guest' and when the session ended I would remove them from the array, nice and simple, but not OO. So if I were to write this in an OO fashion would I replace my simple array with an object? One of who's properties would be the array? And then supply myself with a few new functions, like add() remove() changeStatus() and some more group functions like getAll() countGuests() and things like this. I'm just wondering if this is all overkill? Or is this the normal way to achieve something like this in an OO app design? So it sounds like you've got a single instance of this container that holds userIds? What would you call that object -- the application? And are there other methods than simple get/set? It sounds like you've got a global variable -- object or not, it will end up having to be a singleton. Frankly, that's more work for an object as opposed to a global array but that's a judgement call. The things that go *in* that array sound far more like objects, but you're only really storing a reference to them now so making them objects kind of balloons things for no good reason IMHO. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this kind of thing, I'm sure you've all come across similar tasks where you have a simple working model and wonder if you really need to go the whole hog of wrapping it in a load of object code. Seems to me you get basically no advantage and actually increase the complexity of the app by making this OO unless you've got an abstraction that makes more sense -- objects are a way to package *behavior* with data or v-v, so making a object just to hold data in global scope seems like it's overkill. Unless of course, you've got something like an ApplicationManager object that has more interesting behavior like .showActiveUsers() and .showExpiringUsers() and ..killUser() and the like -- *that* getting into object territory. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278983 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: CF/Apache Config
On 5/23/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our issue is in part of the Apache config. As in our production environment, the database server and media server are remote entities. In production we connect to our media through UNC pathing, with virtual directory mappings in IIS. In our localized scenario, it seems like we are supposed to create virtual directories via 'Alias's. Although I have configured the Alias declarations within the config, and the server starts without error, I cannot get an 'index' listing of any of these directories, nor pull up any content. It always gives me a 404 Not Found error. I have tried putting the Aliases at the root and the site level, without luck in either situation. The rest of the site's contents are fine (stylesheets, base templates, etc.), it is only content from these virtual Aliases. An example of the Alias declaration is below (for future reference, I have tried this with the slashes in the other direction, two beginning slashes instead of four, with and without quotation marks, and using a mapped drive letter, all without success) I found this blog post summed it up http://abelleba.metacarpus.com/?p=4 There's two common probs -- one is the user Apache runs as, which needs to be *not* SYSTEM and have the appropriate persmissions, which it sounds like you do. The other common problem I've seen is that Apache can't find the server by name thanks to NetBIOS/whatever is running under the hood. I'd start by trying to UNC by IP address or by putting the name/ip combo in the local HOSTS file. #Alias for /Images Alias /Images [myremoteserv]\Images Directory [myremoteserv]\Images Options All AllowOverride All Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory The Apache server is set to run as a user who does have access rights to the remote UNC path (verified). I'm just not getting anything. (Apache 2.0.59) Any help resolving this would be greatly appreciated. -- Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:279010 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Project Time Tracking Software?
On 5/22/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a good project time management application that would be good for consulting jobs? I am thinking of something that has a stop watch you can click to start and stop and automatically calculate expenses incurred. It would be nice if it had invoicing capabilities as well. You're going to get a lot of options -- I certainly know since I've done this hunt for my business and for several clients with different requirements. Personally, I go for web-based which removes the impediment of operating system and installation but adds the problem of having to be online. For time-tracking, there's both Harvest (harvestapp.com) and Tick (tickspot.com). They've got online plus widgets for OSX, google/y!. I think both hook into BlinkSale which is an online invoicing tool. And both hook into BaseCamp. Of course that whole stack adds up to a fair bit of monthly cash (at least $30+/mo for any real number of projects) As an aside, I really liked Harvest out of that bunch -- and blinksale worked great as an integrated package. I personally chose Freshbooks (signup here! https://transitionpoint.freshbooks.com/signup/) which has timetracking, invoicing (mail or email including automatic recurring), payment gateway integration, and basic trouble-ticket and filesharing tools. The cheapest paid account is $14/mo for unlimited projects and 25 clients which seems to work really well. This gets more expensive as you add staff since it's got a per-login charge for staff, but for a solo shop it's great. My QuickBooks integration consists of manually putting in 1line invoices that duplicate the total of the invoice so everything works for my accounting -- though it looks like they'll be adding that soon enough. As an aside, it also integrates into Basecamp and can track time against basecamp projects/todo lists. I *had* used QuickBooks Timer for years, which is an awful little tool (written in VB3 it seems, still 16bit, Win-only, locks occasionally requiring a reboot to turn off the beep/screech) but integrated really well into Quickbooks for invoicing. The once/month 15m it takes to generate the dozen or so invoices in QB that I've already sent out is no big sacrifice in comparison, especially now that I'm on a Mac. I used to have a similar app on an old machine of mine but it has since fried (literally went up in smoke) and I can't remember what it was called or Google it. Thank for your suggestions, Aaron ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278862 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Project Time Tracking Software?
On 5/22/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. That site sucks, we use it and its caused nothing but headaches for developers and admin staff. Not to mention the fact that it's not open sourced but it's not been monetized into a biz so as long as the guy leaves it running, you're safe. Not what I'd trust my business to IMHO. On 5/23/07, Jim Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/22/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a good project time management application that would be good for consulting jobs? I am thinking of something that has a stop watch you can click to start and stop and automatically calculate expenses incurred. It would be nice if it had invoicing capabilities as well. While not a full-fledged time management app, this is a nice app for time tracking http://www.slimtimer.com/ ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278914 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Apache with Vhosts, SSL, and CF
On 5/16/07, Hatem Jaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everywhere I read they say that https and named virtual hosts are impossible. You can use named virtual hosts, but you can only use one *certificate* on the server, so practically speaking all of the other virtual hosts get a certificate mismatch which throws up a scary message to the user (though my understanding is that if the hosts are all in the same domain, you can use a wildcard certificate to help, but I've never tried) I have 2 IP's assigned to my production server, I am only using one at the moment. Would this make things simpler with the install of a secure apache for just that one IP? You can get the same effect by binding the virtual host to a particular IP -- instead of *:443 in the config you can use 1.2.3.4:443. I'd personally just use one Apache instance to make things easy unless there's other reasons to separate the instances other than SSL The only practical problem you should get from installing the certificate on the server is that some users of the other site will potentially get the cert-mismatch if they go to the site using https:// for some reason. Here's what I mean, assuming you've got a SSL cert for www.securesite.com http://www.securesite.com = no prob https://www.securesite.com = no prob http://www.insecuresite.com = no prob https://www.insecuresite.com = popup that the certificate names mismatch This is assuming you've got an apache instance listening like Listen 80 Listen 443 And virtual hosts that are something like VirtualHost *:* Servername www.securesite.com /VirtualHost VirtualHost *:* Servername www.insecuresite.com /VirtualHost You can just stop listening on the insecure site with VirtualHost *:80 Servername www.insecuresite.com /VirtualHost which gives folks a site is unavailable type message. - Original Message - From: Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Apache with Vhosts, SSL, and CF -Original Message- From: Hatem Jaber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Apache with Vhosts, SSL, and CF http://hunter.campbus.com/ That was very popular site with binaries ready to go, i used the Apache_2.0.59-Openssl_0.9.8d-Win32.zip I got the ones from apachelounge.com as they're more current. I am testing on XP Pro, will be implementing on the live server which is Windows 2003 Server. I'll be (one of these mornings I remember to do it) migrating from IIS 6 to Apache 2.2 on a production server. I'm so excited X-) I can't believe that there are no clear docs on this subject anywhere whether a CF based site or any site for that matter. There are bits and pieces everywhere and I guess I just can't put it together. I really should blog my experiences. It has been pretty straight forward, that said I spent several hours getting it going both at home (single host, SSL, specific application) and then probably a day or more getting everything going at work. Do you mind sharing your configuration? I'll see what I can come up with. Damien McKenna Web Developer The LIMU Company ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278309 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/14/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks John Paul. I deliberately left out any subversion process for two reasons a) this is what I want to find out b) I don't have a process and hence the question :-) I have read about the pre / post tagging before but was not sure how this would go when other people are also making commits - and there fore incrementing the revision number; so... Revision numbers in SVN should be meaningless -- like a primary key in a db. The whole point of a branch is that it's independent of the other development line(s). You can merge the changes of just that branch back into trunk, or a release branch, or even another bugfix branch (maybe because two bugs are related). Keep in mind that when I say merge I mean using SVN's merge command (or using svnmerge, an addon script that makes it FAR easier to manage merging branches). The recipies for all of these kinds of manipulations are in the PragProgrammers book among other sources. If two people are committing will it look like this (current revision = 99) branch - bug001 : 100 (bug001-pre), 101, 103, 104, 107(bug001-post) branch - bug002: 102, 106 And if that is the case, when I do a merge bug001 - bug002-post will it ignore revisions 102 and 106? Subversion doesn't support complex (eg 3-way) merges, so you should merge 1 branch into another branch, typically in this scenario the bugfix branch (eg bugfix-001) back into the main branch (either the release branch if you did releases, or trunk). Once that's done, you can merge the next bugfix. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278146 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, I would not create a branch for a bug, just to have it merged back to the trunk again. You might as well apply the fix directly on the trunk... Unless the trunk has diverged from the release -- this is all very dependent on how releases work. Let's say you fix a stylesheet element directly in trunk. That's fine if trunk hasn't changes since the release you're fixing; it's NOT fine if you upgraded from Fusebox 4 to Fusebox 5 during the intervening time or any other major changes that separate the ongoing trunk work from a release. It all depends on the process -- Subversion doesn't care one way or another :) But seriously, I'd always recommend tagging releases -- otherwise you end up using revision numbers to proxy for releases and that inevitably seems to cause problems in the long term. On 5/15/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still not quite sure how to go about deploying mods from subversion. This is what I am trying to achieve: Each developer has a local development environment. We have a job tracking systems (jira) that bugs and requests for new features are entered into. I will work on a bug and once I am happy with the fix, testing in my dev environment, I will put those changes onto the test server. We're missing some details here about the process around subversion so it's hard to directly answer the question, but one very common pattern is to create a bug-specific branch (usually off of the release branch) and fix the bug there. The full process would work something like this: * assume there's an existing branch for the release, /repo/branches/RB-1.0 * copy the release branch /repo/branches/RB-1.0 to a bugfix branch /repo/branches/BUG-3456 * tag the beginning of the bugfix branch /repo/tags/PRE-3456 * work on bug in the bugfix branch committing as necessary * tag as necessary on bugfix branch, eg /repo/tags/QA-3456, /repo/tags/QA-3456-RC2, etc * when the bug's signed off on, tag the end of the branch /repo/tags/POST-3456 * back in the release branch, /repo/branches/RB-1.0, you can merge /tags/PRE-3456 and /tags/POST-3456 to get the release updated * roll out a new release (tagged and/or branched of course) or generate a patchfile depending on your process * check and see if the merge needs to go back into trunk/etc as appropriate Obviously this isn't strictly necessary for a typo or a very small change, though at a minimum using the tags for PRE and POST will make your life easier. As an aside, Subversion revision numbers are not in short supply -- there's no need to conserve them, and since copies in SVN are efficient, there's no worry about increasing the size of the repo every time you branch (like in BitKeeper and some other source control systems). We'll cover this stuff in my CFUnited 2007 pre conference class. At worst, if you're reading this and figuring you need to know more about Subversion, you should check out the Pragmatic Version Control using Subversion book from the Pragmatic Programmers and save yourself a lot of effort in learning SVN. After user testing, it may come back for further work, or be signed off. If signed off, it is put onto the production server. As you can imaging, there can be any number of bugs been fixed at any point in time by multiple developers. The testing can get signed off in any order and may be there for a couple of weeks. What I would like to be able to do is get the files for a particular bug fix and from those file, merge the modifications into test and then production. General Notes: - One file may have multiple bug fixes / enhancements - if a modification is to be backed out, and other modification since then will need to stay. ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278147 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, irrespective of whether the trunk or branches are used how do you selectively chose what you want to deploy? Now we're into build management :) Which is mostly outside subversion, but the basic way subversion can support you process is by tagging revisions -- the basic pattern is to create a directory parallel to /trunk called /tags and then copy whatever is being release (eg /trunk) to a tag. Then you can always use the tag to checkout code that represents a particular release. Even when you're at REL-5.0, your tag for REL-2.1 points to the proper revisions of the codebase and you can checkout from the tag (or from a branch if you choose to use release branches in addition to tags) If I have 5 bug fixes on the go bug001 - bug005, and bug004 is signed off how would I use subversion to know which files need to be updated on production (without any of the work on bugs 1,2,3,5 going over)? Merge bug004 into whatever the main branch is, which is probably either trunk or a release branch, tag the resulting version as a release, and export the release. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278148 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deploy? If you mean deploy to production, thats always trunk. That's actually a really bad process in general -- b/c then you have to keep track of revision numbers to be able to revert to a previous release. The standard advice is to tag the trunk (eg REL-20070515 or REL-1.2.3) and then deploy the tagged release, which means exporting from the tag instead of trunk. That gives you a MUCH better history over time. Deploying from /trunk directly is generally a good way to handle continuous integration, but I recommend not doing that for production. Tagging gives the added benefit of repeatability without needing to track revision numbers, though clearly nothing stops you from doing it this way :) Or do you mean deploy from your code to the repository, that's commit. On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, irrespective of whether the trunk or branches are used how do you selectively chose what you want to deploy? If I have 5 bug fixes on the go bug001 - bug005, and bug004 is signed off how would I use subversion to know which files need to be updated on production (without any of the work on bugs 1,2,3,5 going over)? On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJ, Welcome to the world of many ways to skin a cat. We do it the same way I outlined a few times now, but others have diffeent ways to do it. When working on something that is either new or a bug, the code is looked at and fixed now until it is fixed, tested with unit tests and the development tested we do not commit it back to SVN. Thats our procedure, but as I said earlier, we also sync the changes to make sure we don't need to merge any new code, and then when its tested, merged on our code with the repository we then commit it. Thats our method, and others have many other ways of doing it. On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If by bug you mean typo or something minor - then making the change to the trunk would seem fine. I am think more along the lines where 2 or more pages need to be modified and may span a number of days (elapsed time) When it comes to committing , would it be fair to say:- trunk: only commit logical units of work that will not break the system branch : knock yourself out With so many different views and recommendation it is no wonder I am getting confused :-} On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, I would not create a branch for a bug, just to have it merged back to the trunk again. You might as well apply the fix directly on the trunk... On 5/15/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/14/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still not quite sure how to go about deploying mods from subversion. This is what I am trying to achieve: Each developer has a local development environment. We have a job tracking systems (jira) that bugs and requests for new features are entered into. I will work on a bug and once I am happy with the fix, testing in my dev environment, I will put those changes onto the test server. We're missing some details here about the process around subversion so it's hard to directly answer the question, but one very common pattern is to create a bug-specific branch (usually off of the release branch) and fix the bug there. The full process would work something like this: * assume there's an existing branch for the release, /repo/branches/RB- 1.0 * copy the release branch /repo/branches/RB-1.0 to a bugfix branch /repo/branches/BUG-3456 * tag the beginning of the bugfix branch /repo/tags/PRE-3456 * work on bug in the bugfix branch committing as necessary * tag as necessary on bugfix branch, eg /repo/tags/QA-3456, /repo/tags/QA-3456-RC2, etc * when the bug's signed off on, tag the end of the branch /repo/tags/POST-3456 * back in the release branch, /repo/branches/RB-1.0, you can merge /tags/PRE-3456 and /tags/POST-3456 to get the release updated * roll out a new release (tagged and/or branched of course) or generate a patchfile depending on your process * check and see if the merge needs to go back into trunk/etc as appropriate Obviously this isn't strictly necessary for a typo or a very small change, though at a minimum using the tags for PRE and POST will make your life easier. As an aside, Subversion revision numbers are not in short supply -- there's no need to conserve them, and since copies in SVN are efficient, there's no worry about increasing
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean deploy. So, some how, I go from my dev box, to the test server then finally to the production server. Other developers will also deploy to the test server. As I understand it, we wont want to commit anything to the trunk until it has been signed off in test. So in that case, if trunk is always stable, we can just update the production server from the trunk. This makes that side very simple. And that being the most important part - that is a good thing :-) And I guess at that same time the trunk can be tagged - eg /tags/prod-20070515 I'd really recommend tagging and deploying from the tag (or making it a release branch and deploying from that -- depends on how often you release and how many versions you maintain) Now I am just left with the bit in between all the dev servers and the test server. Branching seems to me the way to go for major bug fixes and new features. Ensuring an mods to the truck get merged into the branches then updated into the dev machine(s) Then, to my thinking, once the bug has been signed off in test, I should be able to merge it into the trunk. What I'd suggest is deploying from the bugfix branch, running the tests, and then letting the next developer do the same. Your bugfix branch contains *everything* that you need to run the app, so testing and verifying it is verifying the bugs. Obviously this is easier if testing is automated. Then the next bugfix branch gets cleanly deployed to test and so it goes. Hmmm, time to do some testing and see what happens... Good! That's the only way to figure it out. On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deploy? If you mean deploy to production, thats always trunk. Or do you mean deploy from your code to the repository, that's commit. On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, irrespective of whether the trunk or branches are used how do you selectively chose what you want to deploy? If I have 5 bug fixes on the go bug001 - bug005, and bug004 is signed off how would I use subversion to know which files need to be updated on production (without any of the work on bugs 1,2,3,5 going over)? On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJ, Welcome to the world of many ways to skin a cat. We do it the same way I outlined a few times now, but others have diffeent ways to do it. When working on something that is either new or a bug, the code is looked at and fixed now until it is fixed, tested with unit tests and the development tested we do not commit it back to SVN. Thats our procedure, but as I said earlier, we also sync the changes to make sure we don't need to merge any new code, and then when its tested, merged on our code with the repository we then commit it. Thats our method, and others have many other ways of doing it. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I need a test branch too In dev I can use switch to jump between bug001 and bug002 say Once I am happy with it I can merge that into the test branch - along with all the other developer bug fixes. Personally, I'd recommend as few branches as possible. If you need to merge bugfix002 and bugfix004 for testing, I'd consider fixing them in the same branch (which changes how the bugfix-bugtracking-svn process works for you as described so far). Or you can merge the two bugfixes into a arbitrary branch (eg TST-bobsbigtest) and go from there. Then test server can be updated from the test branch I will still merge bug001 into truck once it is signed off and not merger test branch with trunk as there are still bug fixes in testing Would just need to ensure all branches are kept upto date with the trunk. You want to Google svnmerge.py, right now :) On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean deploy. So, some how, I go from my dev box, to the test server then finally to the production server. Other developers will also deploy to the test server. As I understand it, we wont want to commit anything to the trunk until it has been signed off in test. So in that case, if trunk is always stable, we can just update the production server from the trunk. This makes that side very simple. And that being the most important part - that is a good thing :-) And I guess at that same time the trunk can be tagged - eg /tags/prod-20070515 Now I am just left with the bit in between all the dev servers and the test server. Branching seems to me the way to go for major bug fixes and new features. Ensuring an mods to the truck get merged into the branches then updated into the dev machine(s) Then, to my thinking, once the bug has been signed off in test, I should be able to merge it into the trunk. Hmmm, time to do some testing and see what happens... On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deploy? If you mean deploy to production, thats always trunk. Or do you mean deploy from your code to the repository, that's commit. On 5/15/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, irrespective of whether the trunk or branches are used how do you selectively chose what you want to deploy? If I have 5 bug fixes on the go bug001 - bug005, and bug004 is signed off how would I use subversion to know which files need to be updated on production (without any of the work on bugs 1,2,3,5 going over)? On 5/15/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJ, Welcome to the world of many ways to skin a cat. We do it the same way I outlined a few times now, but others have diffeent ways to do it. When working on something that is either new or a bug, the code is looked at and fixed now until it is fixed, tested with unit tests and the development tested we do not commit it back to SVN. Thats our procedure, but as I said earlier, we also sync the changes to make sure we don't need to merge any new code, and then when its tested, merged on our code with the repository we then commit it. Thats our method, and others have many other ways of doing it. -- If you are not living on the edge, You are taking up too much space. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/15/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I would still release them in staged/known releases than haphazzard fix on the fly. You will find it's a much better process and easier to manage. Agreed. And if you have an *EMERGENCY* bugfix, you can use SVN to generate a patchfile of just that change and directly apply it to production until the next real build is ready. That's a slippery slope that should only be reserved for emergencies since now your tagged release in SVN is out of sync with production unless you use release branches, apply the patch to the release branch, and redeploy from there. Anyone that's been following this thread, please read the Pragmatic Programmers' book Pragmatic Version Control with Subversion -- it's the best, simplest, cheapest overview of subversion for real development tasks. I didn't write it nor do I get any money for shilling it -- it's just the best way to learn the commonly accepted best practices -- then you can take their base and figure out your own methods. If I was shamelessly plugging something, I'd be plugging my CFUnited 2007 class where I'm teaching Subversion, Ant, and Selenium for those of you needing a practical approach to version control, build/deploy tools, and testing. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Subversion Tutorial Posted
On 5/14/07, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 14 May 2007, John Paul Ashenfelter wrote: of confusion about what I'm going to label *process*, which is what a lot of this thread is about. And (one of) the great thing(s) about Subversion, is you can build any process on top of it - whatever works for you and your team. Agreed! Here's an interesting article outlining some design patterns for branching in code repositories. http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/acme/branching/streamed-lines.html. For those getting started with version control, it's good to note that there's a lot of possible right ways to build a process around version control. I'll suggest that there's only one *wrong* way to do version control -- and that's ignoring it. Whether it's VisualSourceSafe 6.0 (argh!) for a single developer or putting in some high-end commercial source control tool or sticking with the tried and true CVS and SVN, or getting crazy with open source version control like darcs, you should get immediate value to your development by being able to follow the state of your code repository over time, which is all version control is really for. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to competently aggregate viral CEOs on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: deploying changes from subversion
On 5/14/07, AJ Mercer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still not quite sure how to go about deploying mods from subversion. This is what I am trying to achieve: Each developer has a local development environment. We have a job tracking systems (jira) that bugs and requests for new features are entered into. I will work on a bug and once I am happy with the fix, testing in my dev environment, I will put those changes onto the test server. We're missing some details here about the process around subversion so it's hard to directly answer the question, but one very common pattern is to create a bug-specific branch (usually off of the release branch) and fix the bug there. The full process would work something like this: * assume there's an existing branch for the release, /repo/branches/RB-1.0 * copy the release branch /repo/branches/RB-1.0 to a bugfix branch /repo/branches/BUG-3456 * tag the beginning of the bugfix branch /repo/tags/PRE-3456 * work on bug in the bugfix branch committing as necessary * tag as necessary on bugfix branch, eg /repo/tags/QA-3456, /repo/tags/QA-3456-RC2, etc * when the bug's signed off on, tag the end of the branch /repo/tags/POST-3456 * back in the release branch, /repo/branches/RB-1.0, you can merge /tags/PRE-3456 and /tags/POST-3456 to get the release updated * roll out a new release (tagged and/or branched of course) or generate a patchfile depending on your process * check and see if the merge needs to go back into trunk/etc as appropriate Obviously this isn't strictly necessary for a typo or a very small change, though at a minimum using the tags for PRE and POST will make your life easier. As an aside, Subversion revision numbers are not in short supply -- there's no need to conserve them, and since copies in SVN are efficient, there's no worry about increasing the size of the repo every time you branch (like in BitKeeper and some other source control systems). We'll cover this stuff in my CFUnited 2007 pre conference class. At worst, if you're reading this and figuring you need to know more about Subversion, you should check out the Pragmatic Version Control using Subversion book from the Pragmatic Programmers and save yourself a lot of effort in learning SVN. After user testing, it may come back for further work, or be signed off. If signed off, it is put onto the production server. As you can imaging, there can be any number of bugs been fixed at any point in time by multiple developers. The testing can get signed off in any order and may be there for a couple of weeks. What I would like to be able to do is get the files for a particular bug fix and from those file, merge the modifications into test and then production. General Notes: - One file may have multiple bug fixes / enhancements - if a modification is to be backed out, and other modification since then will need to stay. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278058 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Subversion... CF's built-in webserver ... Can I do this?
On 5/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tero: I'm not sure if it's a Linux issue, but I back up the repository directories directly. I'm not sure what issue you are seeing to warrant the statement, Note that just copying repository files doesn't work properly, - as that is what I've been doing for years without any problems. I would like to hear what issues you are seeing so that I may avoid them in the future. The best reason to avoid this is b/c that's what the Subversion developers say (http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05s03.html but you'll have to read through a lot). A lot of the initial discussion about the dangers of simply copying the repository relate to the earlier versions of Subversion that used BerkeleyDB for managing the repository. And we all (should) know that a copy of a db made using acopy command is going to be problematic. Now that Subversion uses FSFS (filesystem storage) by default, the whole craziness w/ BDB is no longer an issue unless you choose to run BDB as your repository storage engine. All that aside, but BDB and FSFS have specific orders in which files need to be copied to ensure an accurate backup. This really isn't much of an issue if access to the repository is disabled during a vanilla copy/backup, but I'd suggest avoiding the hassle and using either the builtin svnadmin hotcopy or the even more reliable hot-backup.py http://subversion.tigris.org/tools_contrib.html#backup If you're using FSFS (the default) and have a decent window for maintenance (eg at night), I'd suggest simply using svnadmin dump to dump out a simple text-based replay of eveything. You can do a full one weekly and an incremental one daily or whatever makes sense. Note that this is less useful as you add more and bigger binary files to a SVN repository (eg lot of videos) since the corresponding output files will be pretty large. I like rsync in that scenario to increase the speed of the process. One quick example script from TextDrive (a host) which can be adapted is here http://textsnippets.com/posts/show/587 which shows how to rsync your FSFS svn repository to a remote server over SSH. shameless plug I'm teaching a course on Subversion, Ant, and Selenium at CFUnited 2007. Come out and turbocharge your development process! /shameless plug Steve Brownlee http://www.fusioncube.net/ - Original Message Follows - From: Tero Pikala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Subversion... CF's built-in webserver ... Can I do this? Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:36:32 +0100 I'm running following script daily to get backup copies out of subversion server (which is Ubuntu 6.10 running in VMware). Note that just copying repository files doesn't work properly; you need to make hot copy or dump of each repository instead. (all variables are set before this) ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:278087 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Error Executing Database Query.
I've seen a couple of weird problems like that when the web server was having problems with it's DNS resolution. That's only relevant if your db is found through DNS of course (which is complicated on Windows with the whole NetBIOS/AD/etc acting as DNS). In those cases, I just added an entry to the hosts file to hardcode it and problem resolved. That assumes it really IS your problem. It's probably worth looking at the DNS resolution on the web server to the db server if you don't find another obvious cause. On 5/14/07, Jim H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever dealt with this? I lose a steady ping to the database from the web server, but a ping to the gateway does not fail. Any thoughts? line 4 of route.cfm is: 3 cfquery datasource=#datasource# name=getCompanyURLs timeout=15 4 SELECT CompanyURL, CID FROM WebCompanies WHERE CompanyURL='#cgi.HTTP_HOST#' 5 /cfquery Error,jrpp-12,05/10/07,15:26:43,SchoolSites,Error Executing Database Query.[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]A problem occurred when attempting to contact the server (Server returned: Connection reset). Please ensure that the server parameters passed to the driver are correct and that the server is running. Also ensure that the maximum number of connections have not been exceeded for this server. The specific sequence of files included or processed is: C:\Inetpub\WebSites\route.cfm, line: 4 coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag$DatabaseQueryException: Error Executing Database Query. at coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag.doEndTag(QueryTag.java:580) at cfroute2ecfm1337773736.runPage(C:\Inetpub\WebSites\route.cfm:4) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:152) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:349) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:65) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:225) at coldfusion.filter.RequestMonitorFilter.invoke(RequestMonitorFilter.java:51) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:86) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:69) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.filter.RequestThrottleFilter.invoke(RequestThrottleFilter.java:115) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:107) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:78) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:91) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:257) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:541) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:204) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:318) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:426) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:264) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) Error,jrpp-12,05/10/07,15:27:18,SchoolSites,Error Executing Database Query.[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Connection reset by peer: socket write error The specific sequence of files included or processed is: C:\Inetpub\WebSites\route.cfm, line: 4 coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag$DatabaseQueryException: Error Executing Database Query. at coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag.doEndTag(QueryTag.java:580) at cfroute2ecfm1337773736.runPage(C:\Inetpub\WebSites\route.cfm:4) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:152) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:349) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:65) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:225) at coldfusion.filter.RequestMonitorFilter.invoke(RequestMonitorFilter.java:51) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:86) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:69) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at
Re: Subversion Tutorial Posted
On 5/12/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy... and to think I was really looking forward to reading this long thread, hoping that, as I contemplate implementing Eclipse, CFEclipse, and Subversion, that I would be able to confidently set up a new working environment... but alas, all this thread has brought is confusion. Setting up the environment is pretty straightforward -- heck, you can start by installing the svn command line _right now_ and using file:/// to access local repositories without even configuring a server. There's no reason to delay getting the environment set up b/c of confusion about what I'm going to label *process*, which is what a lot of this thread is about. It seems almost all perspectives offered in this thread revolves around team environments. The fundamental use of the tool is the same -- Subversion stores files and the delta of each committed change. That's pretty much it. It doesn't care about builds or tests or teams or solo developers or deployments or web applications or programming at all. All Subversion knows about is files and the changes to a file or set of files between commits. Pretty boring work that is well-suited to a machine :) The rest of this is about how to take that tool and use it to manage a development process, and there's a lot of variations there as the thread attests. If you're specifically interested in Subversion, IMHO the best book out there is Pragmatic Version Control w/ Subversion from the Pragmatic Programmers. I'm teaching a course at CFUnited on some of the core open source tools that can be used to build these processes -- Subversion (version control), Ant (builds), and Selenium (web-based functional tests). And I've done some consulting solely on practice for some ColdFusion shops over the past five years. The one key thing I've learned from that is that analysis-paralysis sets in with implementing any development process, just like the inevitable which framework is best discussion. In most cases, there are a lot of viable choices and simply starting with a choice is a good first-foot forward. The simplest solution for Subversion in practice is concurrent development in the trunk using tags for releases and branches for parallel development. Note that I said both simplest and for Subversion -- other source control tools have other best practices. Also note that there's issues of scale, procedure, and a myriad other details that can be tailored to best meet the workflow of the project/group in question. A lot of the back and forth about testing, which certainly part of agile development, misses part of the point of version control -- it's about controlling versions of files, no more and no less. Since meaningful comments are an important part of any commit message, my threshold for checking in something relates to the story being told by the comments about the app. I see all to much fixed bug or made some changes or todays work as the comment in a svn log. What the heck does that mean? I'll check in 3 separate 1 line changes to a CSS file if each one is stand-along, because I want to control the *versions* of the file -- putting in all 3 with one commit means that all three get rolled back together, which is fine when they go together and not fine when they don't. As a sole (as in the only developer on my projects) developer, the question remains, what would be the be approach to Subversion for me? Use it to store changes to your files, no more and no less. I'd get the Pragmatic Programmers book as a starting point and try whatever is simplest that best matches how you want. The beauty of version control is that you can general change it on the fly. You can start working in a project that looks like this /project and just get moving. When you release it's time for a release and you want to tag the release, you can just use svn to REARRANGE THE REPOSITORY -- yes, it's not cast in stone. It's a tool that stores files and deltas/changes to them. No more. So a couple of svn copy and svn creates later /project/trunk /project/tags/REL-1.0 and so on. Need a branch? Add it. Find that branches are a pain? Get rid of them. It's just files to Subversion. And since the repository is stored very efficiently (at least for text) there's no need to worry that much about space. And if you DO have a lot of binary files, then we can get into fun stuff like svn:externals and the rest of the cool stuff. I'll also suggest that anyone, team or solo, confused about Subversion and the various build/deploy tools should come to my class at CFUnited :) We'll cover this and a lot more. Tuesday, all day, at CFUnited 2007. Remember, after about 9 or 10 years of development on CF 4.5 without upgrading (going to CF8), I'm very comfortable with developing on my *production* server, which would cause most of you to pull your hair out in a team environment... Seriously, it makes me pull my hair out in solo dev as well -- how do you roll
Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)
On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode from memory. 2) I have an open source application, I have released V0.2 and rather than wait for all bugs to be found I start working on V0.3 but before I do that I branch the code. Now this allows me to continue working on V0.3 and anytime a bug is found in V0.2 I can switch back to it an fix the problem. Then I can submit back to that branch, now if this is also going to be a problem for V0.3 I can now merge that code with that version and switch back and continue on with V0.3 Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I have neglected heretofore. At the risk of self-promotion, you could check out my class at CFUnited, which is covering SVN, Ant, and a host of other related technologies for getting started with development best practices. http://www.teratech.com/go/classdetails?trainingaction=detailTID=274 -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:277419 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hardware load balancers (lower-end)
I have to say it makes me happy to see so many people suggest Apache (even on Windows!) and VMWare as solutions -- both tools I've long been involved with. But I'm really looking for a 1u or smaller (eg VIA form-factor or Cisco PIX501-size) turnkey solution. I think that the used route on ebay for Cisco LD is where we're headed but was hoping someone's had experience with things like this http://www.kemptechnologies.com/load-balancer-1500.shtml or maybe some low-end serverironxl products. This gig isn't a roll-your-own ;) But thanks for the suggestions so far! -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Hardware load balancers (lower-end)
Folks, I'd like to know what you're using for lower-end *hardware* load balancing for your ColdFusion apps. I've got an application to deal with that doesn't have a lot of network bandwidth but does have a lot of processor load, so I don't need a paired set of BIGIPs to manage it :) I'd prefer a packaged hardware solution that supports sticky sessions -- the app was not really designed for clustering. Something like an old Cisco LocalDirector off ebay is probably about the right speed! Details: CFMX7 *Standard*, servers are Windows 2003, Web edition. Using java sessions. Currently using Sonicwall and Cisco in the network infrastructure. Thoughts/recommendations? -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Testing
On 3/27/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is a recurring thread, so I figured I be the one to reoccur it. =] What are folks using for testing? When I say testing, I mean the whole package- unit tests, application tests, application/server load tests... I really like the Selenium plugin for FF, and unless I hear different, I'll be looking into the server side of that whole deal (not quite sure what all is involved). Selenium is great for functional testing -- and hooking it into Ant for running nightly/continuous tests is great. I tried OpenSTA, but it sorta seems to suck. :-/ Could just be my own incompetence, obviously, so if I hear it's the cat's whiskers or the elephant's ankles, I'll put some more neurons to the grinder for it-- from some limited testing tho... niet! I think all of the load-testing tools, open and commercial, are a pain. I think if you're after load testing on Windows in the CF world, Paessler's web stress tool is probably the best balance of expense and features. I've used Grinder (open) and Empirix (). Argh. So... Let the annual what are people using testing thread commence! (and if it dies with this post, so be it.) I'm teaching a preconference course on this sort of thing at CFUnited, though starting with the basics of SVN and automation with Ant to make a complete package :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273950 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF (VMWare ESX Server Vs Physical Hardware)?
Other than those items (which are really all configuration issues) there's really nothing different. Your VM will be seen as a real PC in every way that matters. I've been using VMWare since it's inception (Desktop) and currently have deployed apps on VMWare Player (for laptop-based demos on the go), VMWare Server (staging and internal apps), and ESX2.0 (for a client) so I'm all for this I'm curious though, since we're on the subject, if anyone has tried the VMWare Converter http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ to convert a physical machine into a virtual one. Anyone? I'd love to hear about it. Parallels has a similar tool, btw, for their Mac Desktop users that's on my agenda as soon as the new MacBook comes in... -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:273747 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion on Apache is better than IIS?
On 2/6/07, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, this may in fact be true for livedocs at least: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://livedocs.macromedia.com JRun webserver shows for every entry. However,for www.adobe.com, wherein lies the CF powered forums (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/index.cfm): http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.adobe.com Apache for every entry. Ummm, you're assuming it's Apache because that's what the headers say? Or am I missing something? Note the F5 BigIP in there --- lots of stuff you can do with that to obscure what's really under the hood. And just because Apache is in there, it doesn't mean it's doing the CF application serving per se -- a very common situation in the Rails world now is to use Apache 2.2 with mod_proxy to load balance between 3-10 mongrel web/ruby servers. So technically the request is coming/going to Apache, but Apache just balances the requests and proxies to what's really serving the pages. It's straightforward to do the same with CF/JRun on the backend. All academic anyhow -- the original point of the thread was whether IIS or Apache was faster serving CF b/c IIS was quoted as being faster for static pages. I think that there's little evidence to support that assertion :) sidebarA fun rant from Zed Shaw about statistics and programmers rates directly to this discussion http://zedshaw.com/rants/programmer_stats.html/sidebar If you don't know Zed, he wrote mongrel (one of the fastest web servers around) and is *never* afraid to tell you exactly what he thinks :) On 2/7/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'll throw in a discussion I had w/ an unnamed Adobe source -- seems like Adobe runs CF inside a Java container with the internal webserver -- no IIS or Apache. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269001 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects, there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that just works. Well, since the guys at 37Signals *created* Rails, it's not a suprise they're piggybacking on it. One of their big talks is about extracting Rails (the framework) from Basecamp (the product). Hype serves them on both sides of the coin -- pushing their framework and their product(s) built on it. And as apparently will be my mission in the CF world, I'll just remind you Rails = framework Ruby = language I'd still say *ruby* is not as popular or well known as *rails* is, and that Ruby is probably comparable in popularity to CF in that it's *way* behind languages like C#, Java, and PHP. Of course *Rails* is probably one of the bigger *frameworks*, right up there with Struts. And finally, it doesn't take a *lot* of kicking ColdFusion sites to get it hyped -- it takes 1 popular, kicking, hyped site. There's a *lot* of Rails sites, but Basecamp is the one most folks know. CF needs a similar exemplar, but it will take the whole package of CF and a framework, etc -- the CF frameworks need a lot more work before they compare to what's hyped about Rails. Flex is far more likely to be able to generate hype IMHO. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269018 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more complicated and therefore will have more bugs. That's a fairly ridiculous assertion -- first of all that one specific language is more complicated than another and second that complexity = bugs. One could makes all sorts of similar unsupported arguments that we've all heard: PHP is less prone to bugs because it's open PHP is more prone to bugs because it's open ASP is more prone to bugs because it's on Windows etc, etc Some of the most common bugs I've seen in web apps I've dealt with (commercial, open souce, and inhouse) tend to be simple user error like not checking parameters for type/content (eg SQL injection). Other common errors are off-by-one errors in loops and simply bad logic. Few programming languages prevent a developer from doing something dumb that causes a bug. I find the opposite Russ coming from PHP to CF Cf is alot more verbose than PHP. I am learning CF as I work for a CF shop FullTime as a Web Systems Developer. Cant speak for ASP I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a contender in the enterprise world. Can you elaborate on this?? I use session vars all the time in php. I have done apps for Verizon that are php. The assertions CF folks make about open source always just make me cringe. Of *course* PHP has session management, and quite frankly some far more sophisticated options including session clustering that actually works under load (eg memcached) as opposed to the JRun session clustering that has known issues with performance thanks to what it's doing with JINI and who knows what else. Plus you've got more options about where you store the session (eg files on the server instead of database or memory directly). rant In the past few days, I've seen far too many posts that didn't even take the time to Wikipedia/google/whatever before making assertions about open source licenses, the capabilities of languages they've never used, or even verify or source statments that were the truth. Please check your facts, even just briefly before you post. Or save as a draft, come back an hour later, and still see if you want to post it. /rant Send your complaints about the rant to /dev/null :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269023 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
I don't think anyone is saying that PHP is more or less prone to bugs because it's open. PHP (the language) has its own bugs/CF has it's own, but I wasn't talking about the bugs in the language itself. I was talking about bugs in the code. CF is so simple, that a lot of non-technical people learn it and are able to create fairly bug free sites. I was talking about bugs in code too -- SQL injection, XSS, bad logic, etc. And I'd argue personally and professionally using dozens of sites I've been hired to work on as a basis, that since CF *is* so simple, it's more likely that there are deadly bugs in the code -- even now, years into the existence of CF, I see CFQUERY without CFQUERYPARAM around form or url variables. I also see plenty of files uploaded to web accessible directories through web forms. Wow, it sure was easy for the developer to add the capability to hose both the database and the entire server with those bugs respectively. Does that happen in other languages, sure. But easy doesn't mean a thing about bug-free. As I've admitted, I am not very familiar with PHP/ASP, but I do believe that CF does prevent inexperienced developers from making mistakes. Not one bit. There's no automatic type checking. There's no automatic database parameterization. There's no few options for input validation and cleansing built in, etc etc. I'm not arguing that those things are required by a language, but I *am* disputing the assertion that because CF is easy that it prevents inexperienced developers from making mistakes. Truthfully, I'd be more inclined to argue that languages like Java and Python _prevent_ inexperienced developers from making mistakes because many inexperienced developers simply don't understand them :) I don't think I've seen working SQL injection code for CF and MS SQL to date, but I could be wrong... CF auto escapes the query for you, so that the risk of SQL Injection is greatly reduced, if not eliminated. That's ridiculous. CF autoescapes quotes -- that's got *nothing* to do with SQL injection. And it's *easy* to demonstrate it in CF -- here's one from DevNet to get you started http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/cfqueryparam.html Plus If I feel that CF is better, and that PHP and ASP don't come close, that it must be true. And that's the truthiness of it. I appreciate and respect your right to your beliefs -- unfortunately I believe that you shouldn't propose that your ideas or beliefs are facts when it is clear that 30s of google would show them inaccurate. It wastes time, bandwidth, and adds data to the collective mailing list to sort through to get to the real, useful stuff. Unlike this message :) -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion on Apache is better than IIS?
On 2/2/07, Jacob Munson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for static documents, a properly tuned IIS is best.. in many other instances Apache works better Doh, sorry I accidentally hit send before I could explain myself! The above quote is from another mailing list I'm on (not CF related), so I'm curious if anybody knows any evidence that proves/disproves this? If that's true, then the assumption would be that ColdFusion is better on Apache. I read through the 20-some posts on this thread, so will just add a couple of things: 1) Your inference that CF runs faster on whichever webserver runs faster is just wrong -- there's nothing that about serving static content faster that has anything to do with dealing with speed of running some server-side language. 2) Dave Watts is 100% right on -- bandwidth saturates far before anything else on most typical web/app servers 3) What the heck is properly tuned? Properly tuned for your app? Platform? OS? App Server? Etc Etc. That's pretty meaningless. Just for fun, here's a graphic going around of the system calls in IIS vs Apache for service an HTML page with a single image on it http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=311 -- the point in their case being each additional system call is a potential hack point -- but it's a good indication of how much work needs to be done to serve the page. Of course adding 100x more system calls when each system call is a few nanoseconds doesn't really change things either :) And I'll throw in a discussion I had w/ an unnamed Adobe source -- seems like Adobe runs CF inside a Java container with the internal webserver -- no IIS or Apache. Bottom line is that the web server you choose has close to no impact on the speed of your application in most circumstances -- and I'll suggest that if you're pushing the envelope hard enough to *need* to determine the differences in speed, you'll need to run your own performance and benchmarking tests to compare your own apples to your own apples, which will generally be useless to anyone elses' setup since they're using papyas. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:268919 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT: MySql going public (No more freebies)
On 2/5/07, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sucks...I guess it was bound to happen :( http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=26F5F8B6-8CC6-4529-8DE7-65732FA84347 Wow, I'm not sure you really read the article, or at least understood it. Please don't start ridiculous FUD. MySQL is a _leader_ in open source business models and bluntly they're not hurting for money (even the article points out they have nearly HALF of their VC money in the bank). They fight for open source rights in the EU parliment and they have to my knowledge the only serious case in this country relating to enforcing the GPL on someone who tried to abuse it and their IP (all the litigation around NuSphere from about 4 years ago). Maybe looking at their focus on free, fair licenses would reduce your panic (eg http://www.planetmysql.org/kaj/?p=81). Maybe if Monty and David die, Brian Aker is hit by a bus, and about 150 developers die of food poisoning at their dev retreat, then *just maybe* the remaining 3-4 marketing folks would try and turn it into a product that's not free. Of course since ALL THE PREVIOUS CODE IS GPLv2, YOU'D STILL HAVE ACCESS. That's the *POINT* of open source -- you have the source. As an aside, MySQL has had dual licensing for quite a while (GPL and private). They also _require_ payment for embedded devices. They also now have a non-community edition that's licensed per server (MySQL Enterprise). None of this is particularly new. Nor is the fact that tthey go after investment money (note the article mentions the C round of financing -- which is when the current CEO came in *and* happened about 2 years ago -- oh no, they took VC money, panic panic). The sky is not falling, and thanks to the GPLv2 that MySQL is licensed under, your *absolute worst case* scenario is that you can continue using the version of MySQL you currently have forever. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:268685 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: OT: MySql going public (No more freebies)
On 2/5/07, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think that is a whole different ball of wax. Redhat and linux in general would not benefit from NOT having a opensource version due to the fact that their are so many different distros available for linux. MySql is not available as distros for people to rebrand and make it into their own software like linux. Ummm, sure it is. Most linux folks effectively make their own distro by compiling it with whatever set of custom compile options they need. Some drop out BDB and other database handlers that are not needed. Others add processor-specific compilation flags. Others compile in options that could be set in config files. Ironically, both Linux and MySQL are licensed under the *exact same* license -- the GPL. Anyone can build their own MySQL assuming they follow the rules of the GPL (just like Linux). NuSphere did that (their problem was ignoring the contribution requirements of the GPL for their Gemini table handler). Oracle looks like they may do it. One of the European telcos built the NDB clustering table handler for MySQL as part of their distro (and unlike NuSphere, donated it back as was required under the GPL) MySQL themselves does it (MySQL Enterprise, MySQL Community, and the builds they customize for clients with higher level support contracts). Your premise is simply incorrect. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:268686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Method - Logging Database Changes?
On 1/16/07, Teddy Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For 1, 2 and 3, you will typically enter records into the database during the login process and the logout process that you create. You will need to put something in onSessionEnd for when sessions expire just in case they don't use your logout portion of the code. As for the data changes, I would recommend letting the DB handle this for you. Most modern databases have triggers. Use triggers to copy the record that was changed or edited into a duplicate log table or log database. Seconded. If you do a little searching on audit and trigger for your particular database, you should find some examples to help automate the process. As an aside, you need to be pretty careful if you *already* use a lot of triggers in the app. And of course you need to link the user to the data that changed, but you might be able to make that easier by adding a lastUserId or something to each audited table so when the trigger copies it, the data is already there about the user that goes with the data. One more aside, paging through the data in a meaningful way is a pain -- but a simple history table (recent first) handles the basics for tracking changes. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:266684 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: What is Ruby on Rails?
On 1/14/07, Doug Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any comparisons to CF and ROR? How fast is the dev time compared to CF? If you're at the Frameworks conference, I'm doing a talk on Rails and can answer that. But like one of the other posts in the thread, you have to compare it to a *framework*, like how fast is it compared to ModelGlue on CF, Fusebox on CF, Struts on Java, Django on Python, etc. Rails is a framework, Ruby is a language. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:266686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: What is Ruby on Rails?
On 1/14/07, John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruby is a programming language (from the 90's or so) that was used a lot as an alternative to perl server scripts. A few years back a framework was built that gave RoR tons of publicity. I think some of the shine came off when they had a gaping security hole in which they demanded that people upgrade to the latest revision (was kinda funny the way they approached it). In 2 or 3 days they pushed out like 2 or 3 patches. Regardless of that it is still a very lightweight, fast, and speedy (to dev' in) language/framework. That's a bizarre piece of FUD. It's like saying I think some of the shine came off ColdFusion when that ToysRUs site performed so poorly or Now that Adobe/Macromedia/whoever owns CF it's doomed etc. Or all the FUD about poorly written PHP/CF/whatever apps that are vulnerable to cross-site scripting attacks and/or SQL injection (heck, even *gMail* has had a significant security issue if you feel like your contact list should be private). For anyone who cares about the details surround this particular issue, it's summarized here http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2006/8/10/rails-1-1-6-backports-and-full-disclosure I'll also point out that the Rails folks can't *force* anyone to upgrade -- what they did was refuse to point out the specific problem or release demo code of the exploit until people had a chance to patch, but since the project is open source and the SVN repository is publically available, it's easy enough to run a diff and see what changed. I'd suggest that the whole process in general was a good example of the *point* of open source -- major problem was identified, code was *quickly* patched to prevent problem, other problems were identified, and code was patched again, not to mention that the community feedback on the process was incorporated into the way future incidents are/were handled. -- John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:266687 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
