Re: cfc error
cfset var qLF = cfset dsn=it cfset un=that cfset pw=this cfquery name=qLF datasource=#dsn# username=#un# password=#pw# SELECT * FROM patterns ORDER BY parentID DESC /cfquery cfreturn qLF Heh, hi Taco btw. umm, be careful and remember that if you use cfset dsn= instead of cfset var dsn= then that DSN is now a global variable FOR That cfc... ie try the above and do a dump on the actual CFC afterwards :) just an FYI. On Apr 5, 2005 2:47 PM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cfcomponent !--- function getQLF Generated by the CFC Recordset ColdFusion MX Extension Mon Apr 04 22:08:12 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) 2005 --- cffunction name=getQLF output=false access=private returntype=query cfset var qLF = cfset dsn=it cfset un=that cfset pw=this cfquery name=qLF datasource=#dsn# username=#un# password=#pw# SELECT * FROM patterns ORDER BY parentID DESC /cfquery cfreturn qLF /cffunction /cfcomponent -- Taco Fleur Senior Web Systems Engineer http://www.webassociates.com -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfc error here it is cfcomponent !--- function getQLF Generated by the CFC Recordset ColdFusion MX Extension Mon Apr 04 22:08:12 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) 2005 --- cffunction name=getQLF output=false access=private returntype=query cfset dsn=it cfset un=that cfset pw=this cfset var qLF = cfquery name=qLF datasource=#dsn# username=#un# password=#pw# SELECT * FROM patterns ORDER BY parentID DESC /cfquery cfreturn qLF /cffunction /cfcomponent From: Jon Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:43 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: cfc error Are all of your statements grouped under your ? //got nuthin On Apr 5, 2005 2:40 PM, dave wrote: anyone know what this error means? Local variable qLF on line 18 must be grouped at the top of the function body. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201470 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: community threads
bwhah touche... No, i agree its sometimes very easy to go off topic in mailing lists and so sometimes the community needs to go stop..ya know this is a valid discussion i'm sure, but over there *points to another category* you can go at it and be all slanderish to one another until the cows come home..but for this one..lets stay on topic so once a majority clicks *boot it* then so be it, its booted - the people have spoken. The only thing that I'd flag or ponder is to what % of the user base is considered a majority. Obviously 50.1% wouldn't work as probaly 30-40% of all users subscribe don't actually actively participate and sometimes just READ or Subscribe for personal archives for when I need to search on a problem... Maybe you could do a rating point system where people can rate other posters who help, the more folks who help others get more pts then the rest - resulting in a collective helpers able to push threads around.. heh ...mind you this approach has been used before in a similiar concept where you have IRC @Operators... people who as an elite few can dictate how a channel flows.. ;) i don't see any of the above happening as warranted as it may be. On Apr 1, 2005 4:18 PM, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean like this thread? :P - Calvin -Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: community threads It seems that frequently the threads with the longest lives on this list are the ones that have nothing to do with development per se - the one about ChrystalTech is an example still fresh in our inboxes. At the same time some threads that aren't directly on topic, like discussion of search engine rankings, query optimization, etc. are still worth reading. I know we're supposed to police ourselves and keep things on track, but that obviously doesn't happen all the time and it becomes a burden for the list owner to decide when a thread is far enough off track to move. So, what if every email we got from the list included a link in the signature that said Boot this thread or Request change of venue or Remove this thread before my eyes begin bleeding. When a sufficient number of members clicked the I hate this thread link, the system could alert the list owner and he could choose whether to reassign the topic to cf-community or another more appropriate list. Think it would work? I'd happily click a few links to avoid deleting 900 emails about ChrystalTech. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201150 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
This debate has been hashed not just in ISP's but also online games, point and case is this. Its a company that has an enormous customer base, now whether you or I end up getting the shortest straw in Customer Service is simply a matter of fate. There is always a situation where once a company becomes popular and selling a product at a lower cost, things go pair shape. Its a classic tale told many times over and over (DELL, Alienware, Blizzard, Macromedia, Microsoft etc list goes on and on). If you are paying for a cheap hosting provider and suddenly become shocked as to how they treat you, as if you were this gold client who pays them $1000.00 a day to be at your bekandcall (couldn't spull that heh) then you are simply setting yourself up for the fall. I'm a freakin magnet to aligning myself with companies that walk over me, read MossyBlog in the last year alone and you would of seen how much crap i went through in just buying a laptop worth $4.5k - premium - yet i got bad customer service. I think what Micha and others are trying to get across the plate, is that it happens nothing you can do about it but whine in some forum where they probably couldn't give two hoots as to what your opinion is saying as chances are there profit margins speak enough volumes. 1) If the customer service was so dramatically bad, the fall rate in profits each month would send a signal loud and clear - but clearly - they seem to be doing healthy business all said and done. I recommend them to people I know as a pretty cruisy isp thats cheap? yet this is the first i'm hearing of bad CS? am i going to stop recommending them? no as i've seen no clear evidence as to what you say is wide-spread amongst its customer base. 2) If they delete posts on a forum such as this, in all honesty its probably a position they would rather take in terms of a one sided argument. Arguing with a customer publically is purely bad PR regardless if you win or lose. Its why large businesses do everything they can to shut you up and throw gift packs at you, to simply get you fixed and at best into a neutral gear instead of an aggressive one. So don't be shocked that they shove your post(s) into a trash bin as it could be a once of thing, it could be a petty argumentive issue - or they could simply not wish to face the music publically. 3) ISP and Bad Customer Services have been a freakin tradition since early 90's, hell I can remember ISP's that used to take your money for 3 months and suddenly close shop and your hanging in the wind - heh remember the dot bomb years - so are we shocked that an ISP has consistent downtimes or that they have to take stuff down in order to maintain it? if you are clearly you are living in a dream industry where software gets delivered on time and under budget aswell. Clue up and get onboard with whats happening, its fast money and competitve industry and i'm sure all web hosting providers who sell at a cheap rate will go through this. Now if i hosted my server through Intel or even bigger higher paid providers, and this crap were to go on - then yes - clearly you are asking for enterprise level business where its simply critical that a site stays online - in that it could mean millions lost not thousands or hundred. That or information, critical to a 100million+ company needs in order to run for the day. Its like taking a holiday on a small budget and pissing and moaning as to why you didn't get slippers, robe and champagne on arrival - that and why is the pool got dog poo in it and what not. Thats the key issue here, shared hosting is crap - plus you can totally screw people over in CFMX on a shared provider simply by peeking into Application scope or if they aren't clued up, CFFILE - delete/read etc... its dodge and its not really suited for critical applications/websites. Get an Instance based server at the very least - that or you own dedicated server - then at least you have more buying power and are treated a bit more seriously as a customer. Money talks volumes. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:01:30 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok to me what you are saying is that a host who has a good price is a crappy host even though they offer the same services and service as your higher priced service just because they are cheaper than you, therefore they possibly can't be as good as the service your company offers because you charge more. Is that correct? The theory you describe is in fact a logical way too work but I would sure like too see exactly what else your company offers that makes it better than whats available here. I think every example you gave is what is already given by the before mentioned host just because you don't understand how they can do it cheaper doesn't mean your company is better. Actually, maybe it's the other way around, since they obviously do have it figured out. If you want to prove your point then lets just see these things. just sayin...
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:02:42 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very true Scott and I can agree with most everything you say. My thing with Micha is that he assumes that everyone clients spend 200k+ on their websites and in which case sure they can afford to go for the extra service. But really what this was about are clients who spend a few thousand and/or really don't know the whole other end which is the host, which is our jobs to convey but truthfully most of them could careless and don't listen anyways but in the end it's deemed that it's the developers fault not the host because to them the host doesnt exist. As if companies can't afford 200k hehehe.. yeah some companies do it on the dodge while others (like my work) will happily part with $100k to keep me from bugging them about writing UI in DHTML when FLEX is available... i am spoiled..and i know it but i have had the misfortune of working for companies where it was expected that I pirate the software i need in order to do my job - thankfully those days are behind me and i now just focus on pirating xbox ga...errr...umm.. hehehe.. I've seen Micha around the web quite a bit and can come off pretty strong but nothing that would put my nose out of joint. He maybe coming from the soft-enterprise world where I am sitting where it rains money, lolliepops and rainbows every day - that or dilbert comic - and its easy to simply fall into the trap of expecting companies to spend money on situations that call for it - i myself follow this trap often. Yet it does strike at the heart of a problem, in that if a company sole existance depends on something as critical as a website, then they are stupid for not pooring the entire warchest into making sure it works... The person who started this (connie) said she just listed some verifiable error or concerns on there forums which they promply deleted. I think in that situation the responsible thing to do for them was to leave the post and show that they fixed the issues. I was just saying my position is that thats thats what I like to see in a service provider for those poor souls who must depend on a shared hosting enviroment. Anyways, you gotta love the new version! Damn, I am having a blast with flash forms! Yeah deletion of any public content online is typically a cowardly act but its their play pen and if they don't like it, they can pick up their toys and go home. Childish as it maybe but in 4 months time who will remember what that post was about (or this one) and so the ripple fades and life goes on ;) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200925 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Giving back to CF-TALK
You are the reason why spam exists. heheh. On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:20:04 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me preface this by stating that I am NOT asking any of you to help me get a free anything. I am going to ask if any of you want me to help YOU get a free seomthing. A few months ago, someone sent me a silly little flash animation that basically says I LIKE YOU!. I placed it on my web server (at work, foolishly), and sent links out to a few friends of mine. This was back in december. Well, I looked at the logs the other day, and found that the SWF file had received nearly 2,000,000 requests THIS MONTH ALONE. WOW! Needless to s tay, I moved it off onto my own server, where it sits happily collecting hits. I put my Free Ipod link on it, and within 3 hours, had 15 referrals. It only takes 5 to get a free ipod. SO... ANYONE on this list that has ever done the free ipod thing but has *NOT* gotten their referrals - send me your affiliate ID off list. I'll rotate them in randomly =) Thanks to all the cf-talkers who've helped me solve problems over the years! - Rick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200926 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ooa, ood, oop and design patterns
As Joe points out CFCDev is the happy-joy-land in terms of this subject, - be warned stay on topic - as i'm popping in / out of this list a lot over the years and see quite a lot of bantering/thread hijacking/flaming etc back and forth (more power to the list i guess we are all stressed hehehe) but i like CFCDev for staying ontopic 99.9% of the time - which is a good trait. That being said, creating lists such as the ones you outlined would be to fragemented in my opinion, i'd like to see it more consolidated to a list like CFCDev where patterns and all that which is OO goodness is given a healthy kick. Over the past few months, a lot of us i guess have gotten love stricken with the concepts of DAO/DG/Managers/Mach-II/Beans-OR-BusinessObjects/Factory Patterns and what not.. i myself went a bit pattern frenzy but thats cool as it opens up to possibilities of how to architect now vs just code. I wish more people would create blogs on the very subject and air there thoughts as its been sucessful for devs like Joe, Matt and many many others (myself included) to bare ones soul about their knowledge/learning experience on OO development with CFMX. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200928 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Forms Question...
I've wondered the same thing myself, and officially i've been told the behaviour capabilities of Flash Forms are limited if not non-existant. I've been meaning to sit down and see if i can decorate a SWF with behaviours and while i mentioned that to Mr Bluntel himself to which he gave me a no comment reply. Whether he knows something he's not willing to share or it could be a i dare you to do it.. I'm also pondering on the merits of writing a SWF container, that you LOAD into then hijacking certain innerds. Thats probably the only way I can personally think of in terms of giving a flash form behaviour as it seems MM went out of their way to make sure they worked in a pretty simplistic way.*cough* upsell flex *cough* hehe. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:11:11 -0400, John Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to update the content of flash forms with AS listener methods without refreshing page. Im trying to achieve an an interface that is updated after a function has been called in a cfc to update a grid. I am doubtful its possible without a full Flash implentation, but I was hoping to get a concrete answer. TIA, John ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200930 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
[snip] Don't expect a Mercedes if you paid for a Ford, that's all I am trying Hey i own a fordand in Australia it ended up costing just as much as Mercedes...hmmm..XR8lets not fight about cars... hehe but amen Micha, hit the nail right on the head as they say... boys got skills, i'll give em that. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200932 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Forms Question...
Aye, they in many ways were showing off in imho, saying ya know this is what Flash can do..go awn...embrace thine flash...you luv it..admit it..you do.. Sillyness aside i guess if they gave us more behaviour capabilities behind Flash Forms were would they be expected to stop? next will be Flash Remoting and what not... Give a mouse a cookie, and it will want milk next. Makes you stop and wonder about how CF and Flash may co-exist in the near future ;) On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:33:08 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I have read that Macromedia also stated, to use Flash Forms only for simple hit n run things. It is not meant to be highly advanced, merely a piece of equipment to get you up and running fast for simple quick n dirty data entry. Wish to do more advanced Flash, then there is Flex, or FlashMx itself :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200935 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Ajax
Heh sorry if this thread was dead and burried an I resurrected (bored, sifting through the cf-talk archives). On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:37:37 +0100, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One last comment .. made by Erik Arvidsson.. seems he agrees. Very, very, very hard indeed. Writing a mail application is hard using any toolkit. (Just look at Mozilla Thunderbird.) The same applies to Google maps. Sure some things might have been easier with WinForms, Avalon or Lazslo but the application in itself is the biggest part of the development time and cost. The biggest short coming with HTML/XML and scripting is indeed the lack of good reusable components (and sometime a unified application framework). I think if IE supported DOM level 2 and XBL2 I think it would totally kill the alternative frameworks (as long as some the different platforms are compatible enough with each other). I thought i would focus on one key aspect that Erik has outlined. Re-usable Components. There is only a handful online that are actually worth anything, Eriks got one of them. The key aspect of what made AJAX - or what i like to call - DHTML Remoting, was that GMAIL made it look easy enough (in terms of UI not serverside). You compare Flex, Flash, Lazlo, Cocoon, .NET Window Forms etc list goes on...against Javascript and it feels like comparing a monkey to a human. Sure monkey can do certain things a human can, but it needs to be trained hard and taken lots of time / investement to do these things. Javascript is horrible, I am sorry but its borderline bugware as the amount of hurdles you have to overcome is sheer madness. As Micha pointed out, knowing which hurdles to jump and which ones to dodge are the key, and you can't get this from a course or textbook. Its something that you have to sit down daily and read website after website / forum after forum to grasp and hold in check. basic Behaviour building isn't that hard, architecting an application like GMAIL or a serious JavaScript driven UI framework is extremly hard - its why there aren't many around as its just a nightmare to get off the ground. I've build approx 4 of them, one using a combination of CF Custom Tags and JavaScript to emulate what FLEX does now - i ended up throwing in the towel as its just a big waste of time and energy. Reason I know its always going to be held hostage to a browser. JavaScript imho is a hard language to architect, not code. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200936 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ooa, ood, oop and design patterns
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:52:31 -0600, Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always nice to see a new comrade crawl out of the woodwork. :) heh yeah, I decided to jump into ol CF-Talk and poke around... (hope I'm not spamming all too much). I have to say, though, I'm kind of conflicted over the idea of adding lists to the array of available choices... (CF is leaking into my conversational speech... ugh.) Try to de-reference your speech patterns, as that tends to clear up memory leaks...heh.. [snip] I still tend to think it may not be a bad idea to have some more options. Ok you beat me down, lets make some more lists heh. I guess in the end more talk wherever it may live on more higher level OO can be a good thing - yet it can also be a bad thing. Lets not forget that sometimes things can be echoed online and the next thing you know, you have disciples making human sacrafices in the way of which a belief has been poured out. I can recall a few times Mr Corfield has mentioned something casually and the next thing you know theres a Development Guidelines being devoted to the scriptures of that which is Sean. At anyrate, I'm all for it, I do enjoy talking about architecture i'm hooked on the very subject and will happilly debate someone to death if need be in order to appreciate certain approaches to a task. I was once told that CF 5.0 was a free bus ride, and then when CF 6.0 came out, we were all told to get off and walk...some are still stuck on the bus, wondering why its not going forward while others are not only walking but lost in the desert hoping someone can help them navigate back to civilization. ok analogy lost me at first but i think it means, we are all scattered amongst the desert of that which is OO land and each of us tend to various backrounds in OOP or other, but CFMX is weird and needs to be attacked differently to most traditional OOP. i'm ranting..yes lets make the lists, let us know who ever starts them and where i can subscribe my gmail / label / filter to -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200939 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: What's wrong with the Javascript?
Ditto, A simple listener/queue system would be suitable here vs looping over every element. Personally i'd rather write a listener that waits for an onChange event and adds the id of that element to a queue (marking it as dirty), then when i need to process that information, it iterates over that queue and carrys out taskXYZ accordingly, each time slicing the currentItem from the queue (in the event more items get added...which is pretty damn rare). Intervals + looping can be a pretty damn scarey if not used correctly and come with a big ol warning use wisely. As its perfect breeding ground for some nasty Memory Leaks for one - that and can be costly in terms of assuming every cycle runs smoothley (ie no time outs etc). thats my hot tip for the day ehhehehe. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200941 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Search engine question
People linking to your site also helps your google rankings. Simply spamming the crap out of your site with repeated sentences or paragraphs will not win you any favours with google. The algorithiums used are a little smarter in terms of what to spider and what not to spider. Google Hacks is a good book and explains all these little ins/outs to be aware of with Google, and i must say after reading it i was damn impressed at how smart that engine really is... and i am thankful that the old word spamming trick to get higher rankings no longer works (nothing like searching for a disney movie to show the little ones and seeing two adults doing things to each other that animals wouldn't even do).. On the side: If you have a 100% flash site that pulls in content (aka say FLEX) but want it to also have a google ranking, its quite easily done via XML/XLST to create a flat site (as if it were the actual site) for a google to spider and rank against. Plus, Sitemaps are very important as they allow the bots to get a decent bite out of your sites entire heirachy just watch the link backs within as the bots have a certain threshold and then they are gone. Organisation of content is important as well, put your important stuff up in front (css trickery here) and your less important down the bottom. Try and use XHTML for your HTML soup as in the end the semantics of B vs STRONG may down the track give you extra boost for you buck in terms of word weighting via google. Link to other sites aswell, I've not validated this one as yet but MossyBlog seems to do all right in terms of rankings due to my linking to sites and in turn sometimes they link back to me (which google loves) These concepts may have changed now as i know they continue to improve google a lot since the book hit the shelves... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:30:18 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Dave... Since I'm working on SEO with my clients, but don't do Flash, would you like to share that lil flash swf with me to use, or is that something you prefer to keep in-house? Getting good index page content without blowing away the visitor with word overload has always been a challenge. One thing I do a lot of is have the client use Announcements on the index page. That way, keywords and phrases can be repeated often in the announcement titles and text, but because the repetition is under separate announcements, the reader's information sensibilities aren't offended. The reader can scan the Announcement Titles and decide whether to read the Announcement or not, but the spider eats it all... I let the client add business-relevant announcements and part of my service is to keep an eye on them and keep them optimized with keywords and phrases that need to be repeated frequently... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question Do you like that nickname? haha Ok too start with you don't have any real content on the home page which is what is gunna really kill ya. Also use your image alts to give more info about the content because the engines will pick that up as page content. You also have enough java on there to run NASA ;) Content is king and you don't have any there so I'd start to figure out a way to get it there. One thing I used to do is make the index page and just fill it with content and then under that have a lil flash swf that redirects depending on if they have flash or not. And what that does is the engine bots will spyder the pages content and since the redirection is within the swf the bots won't pick up the redirect and penalize you. So when a visitor comes to the page it immiediately redirects them to a diff page and they never see the real index page thats been formated for content only. www.denveralumnaegpb.org has that. Basically it's a win win, without really cheating :) From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:25 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Search engine question What's the url wilbergini? abracadabra! www.winstoncourtsports.com I haven't read this yet but i threw it up 4 ya, http://www.jamwerx. com/HowGoogleWorks.swf Preeesh! This looks like good info! Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200944 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: What's wrong with the Javascript?
aye, Observer Pattern doth rock.
I see your Observer Pattern and raise you Observer Pattern + Decorator
Pattern..hrmmm...
heheheh nice work.
(sigh) it annoys me that for years I spent time in a DHTML shunned
world and now its finally getting some look-ins in terms of power -
now i'm in FLEX kinda feels like a big ol waste of skillset.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:45:43 +0200, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I uses a same technique (observer pattern) for my menu. You define
listeners within each button scope. Don't mind missing images.. this is
an older version :)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/menu/
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/menu/config.xml
observers = [];
function observer(){
this.listeners = [];
observers.push(this);
}
observer.prototype.notify = function(){
var i=this.listeners.length;while(i--){
this.listeners[i].notify();
}
}
observer.prototype.attach = function(oListener){
this.listeners.push(oListener);
}
observer.prototype.detach = function(){
}
obsOnNodeSelect = new observer();
--
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Re: Ajax
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:49:33 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon we will see more applications on the market featuring functionality supporting the idea of a reusable user interface because that is what Ajax really is, but only from a specific area of people who are geek enough to spend the time. I have seen some promising examples in the mail lately :) Not to mention I am hoping to release my own part in some months which also features the spi approach. Yeah, it requires some people to pioneer its efforts up front in a transparent enough manner in order to give that puppy some flight. I heard Amazon are using its concept and while XmlHttpRequest is all nice and cute to use and works on lots of browsers etc... that aside, you still have to use the data from your remoting in a rich UI approach - thats where people need to get onboard and understand something others have figured out... DHTML (remoting aside) is going to hurt to build. Bindows.net and DOMAPI do a nice enough job in regards to Controls/container development and all the power to them. Just there is more to AJAX than meets the eye imho. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200948 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
In a perfect utopia were the world is free of wars and Osama Bin Laden is simply a cooky tailor from the outskirts of Middle East Village, President Bush is a scholar and aliens, when landing on earth choose America because of its passive society who choose not to use guns at all - maybe just maybe, bad customer service is wiped clean and all no matter what price paid get equality in their purchases. (heh please don't be offended i simply picked a few key politically hot issues and simply poked fun at it..i'm sure you yanks have a few bad apples who can't seem to comprehend bullet+person+point=bad thing to do and so on ...) Anyway, this threads been kicked to death and the same points get used over and over and over and oh wait over... CT have bad CS, simply packup your cars and leave - if you feel even stronger about it, reverse your CC transaction and state the grounds for such were due to not getting what you paid for heh CT will continue to get customers and there isn't much anyone can do about it now. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:22:05 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (c p'd from their site) Unparalleled ColdFusionMX Hosting, if it's Unparalleled then it better be good. or very, very bad. I'm not commenting on the quality of anyone's hosting, just on the ambiguity of the word choice. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201094 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ooa, ood, oop and design patterns
Aye i won't be the ruler of of thine list creation policies, if everyone feels strongly about it then i'll happily put my email addy in the subscript of wherever it may lie. I simply think that consolidating into an area such as CFC which even in OOP theory has lots of relivance would make more sense. The key issue here is, you kind of want to leveridge people who are subscribed so that if you shoot of a problem, you get answers by some fairly qualified person(s). If you go about the approach to start a new list, then you also run the risk of your population being of limited value and experience. Its kind of like starting an IRC channel, you sit in a popular one and decide hmmm the topic could be more focused, lets create a new channel! so off you go, and do so. Yet people aren't really moving from the previous one are they? sure some folk who are curious will pop in to see whats up and stay awhile but if the overall topics aren't of interest or have no real value to them, they part. CFCDev is an established - well respected - mailing list and i for on enjoy 90% of all topics posted there. Thats my 2c on the subject and its why i chose to make the opinion lets not fragement our mailing lits for the sake of categories On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:35:37 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not reall see why the CFCDev list could not have both on it, it is CFCDev is a listserv for the discussion of all things CFC after all which to me means it is not even solely about OO and so on. Just a matter of people being on it and posting about the none bleeding edge. I am on it but tend to archive it a lot more than read it, so maybe there actually is a lot of none bleeding edge being discussed on there. All of the theoretical approaches is what caused me to get into archive mode with it. More so because I lack the time right now to try and follow what they are debating back and forth. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:24:08 -0500, Rick Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, Everyone points you to CFCDev for CF OOP and it is an interesting list. I subscribed for a while before they dropped digest mode. But CFCDev is high on OOP theory with great debates of different theoretical approaches. What might be nice is a list aimed at practical implementation as opposed to theory. A list targetted for those who want to be in the mainstream of CF OOP, not the bleeding edge. I am not knocking CFCDev, there's room for both actually. Rick Mason On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:22:46 +1000, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:52:31 -0600, Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always nice to see a new comrade crawl out of the woodwork. :) heh yeah, I decided to jump into ol CF-Talk and poke around... (hope I'm not spamming all too much). I have to say, though, I'm kind of conflicted over the idea of adding lists to the array of available choices... (CF is leaking into my conversational speech... ugh.) Try to de-reference your speech patterns, as that tends to clear up memory leaks...heh.. [snip] I still tend to think it may not be a bad idea to have some more options. Ok you beat me down, lets make some more lists heh. I guess in the end more talk wherever it may live on more higher level OO can be a good thing - yet it can also be a bad thing. Lets not forget that sometimes things can be echoed online and the next thing you know, you have disciples making human sacrafices in the way of which a belief has been poured out. I can recall a few times Mr Corfield has mentioned something casually and the next thing you know theres a Development Guidelines being devoted to the scriptures of that which is Sean. At anyrate, I'm all for it, I do enjoy talking about architecture i'm hooked on the very subject and will happilly debate someone to death if need be in order to appreciate certain approaches to a task. I was once told that CF 5.0 was a free bus ride, and then when CF 6.0 came out, we were all told to get off and walk...some are still stuck on the bus, wondering why its not going forward while others are not only walking but lost in the desert hoping someone can help them navigate back to civilization. ok analogy lost me at first but i think it means, we are all scattered amongst the desert of that which is OO land and each of us tend to various backrounds in OOP or other, but CFMX is weird and needs to be attacked differently to most traditional OOP. i'm ranting..yes lets make the lists, let us know who ever starts them and where i can subscribe my gmail / label / filter to -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Discover CFTicket
Re: Ajax
ehehe yeah, DHTML can be fun, i'm still partial to it as i've done some fun UI concepts in ol DHTML (translated well into Flash aswell) Just i get a bit annoyed in many ways at how everyone suddenly throws the word AJAX like its this awesome piece of technology that people haven't used properly or has gone un-used for generations of thine web. Its been used (under different names) and i've seen some much smarter apps in play using XmlhttpRequest (even the DHTML guru Erik - i think he has done enough work in dhtml to earn that title - has done some really interesting approaches with it, especially with Bindows.net) Key aspect is, AJAX is only 10% of the overall equation there is another 90% of other stuff that needs to co-incide before you can start raving how successful the concept is going to be. Just last night I had someone MSN me with dude check out AJAX, its the ducks nutts - I asked why, reply you can do server-side remoting like flash! to which i then reply: ok, then what... silence. Thats my point. I am still waiting Micha to see your DHTML CMS thingy hehehehehe... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:16:34 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It becomes interesting if the approach is built into the application as a service layer, instead of features or some enabled widgets on top of a purely static approach (which there are often off). I can throw in my xmlhttprequest treeview, menu, wysiwyg widget, but I see that only as parts of the approach. The underlying surface should be in that approach too. In the perfect situation you only load the app once, and update it from then. That is the stuff that will tickle your balls. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 31 maart 2005 14:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:49:33 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon we will see more applications on the market featuring functionality supporting the idea of a reusable user interface because that is what Ajax really is, but only from a specific area of people who are geek enough to spend the time. I have seen some promising examples in the mail lately :) Not to mention I am hoping to release my own part in some months which also features the spi approach. Yeah, it requires some people to pioneer its efforts up front in a transparent enough manner in order to give that puppy some flight. I heard Amazon are using its concept and while XmlHttpRequest is all nice and cute to use and works on lots of browsers etc... that aside, you still have to use the data from your remoting in a rich UI approach - thats where people need to get onboard and understand something others have figured out... DHTML (remoting aside) is going to hurt to build. Bindows.net and DOMAPI do a nice enough job in regards to Controls/container development and all the power to them. Just there is more to AJAX than meets the eye imho. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201097 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Search engine question
This concerns me the most, you can trick the bots until you have a total monopoly on keywords. Yet, if someone reports you to google (and it happens) for hijacking traffic (only have to look at your competitors) and they then find you're hacking the bots, they blacklist you. Ontop of that, do you really want to trick your customers into going to a site thats of no relivance. What about if the flash swf fails or they can't load it? then what... I used to work for *one* of the worlds adult content providers, my job was to farm adult sites out to reap search engine / ecommerce rewards. Our strategy was like a solider based system, where we would create lots of this annoying crappy little websites all over the shop using geocities, anglefire and all that crap to link back to first tier domains, which were upsell sites. We would then populate these tier domains with more established content and so on until it went back to key / rich content based sites where the actual cc transactions would begin. I've seen some talented folk use tricks that have me giving mass-golf-claps as to how well they counter-acted it - yet i've seen yahoo / google pounce on them fast. Google prides itself on being a fairly clean / noiseless search engine so that if my kids search for Dallas they get results based on the city - not - DEBBIE DOES DALLAS FOR 98th time. Actualy relivant key words returning such results. any h00t be mindfull of who your traffic will be, and what risks you take in tricking bots. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:55:39 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying its the best but it's not to bad actually and fairly easy to do. Cause you know how it goes, all your clients with no money want to be #1 in the engines but they cant afford to pay you to do it better or to have a pro do it, so this is what I do for them and it seems to work fairly well:) From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:47 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Search engine question Ah...well there are other easier ways of having bot content to indexjust supply custom content based on user_agentas long as that content is not different from what's IN the Flash (i.e. not spamming the bots with extra content etc.)...then you can defend your use of this technique...but I may have missed something about the Dave's technique...just kickin in my 2 cents ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201099 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Search engine question
Correct me if i'm wrong and chances are it may be the case, but i think i remember reading that google doesn't base its ranking on index page alone. It weighs up the entire site and then asses its ranking capabilities. If you were to have a sitemap and it spiders that page and you *hide* that link from a user (by color if need be) then in fact you achieve the same results. I could be off on this one but thats what i interpreted from Google Hacks. eg: MossyBlog tends to have more hits show up based on relevant pages vs index? On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:19:14 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well...what you've stated is true and blacklisting is to be avoided at all costs...that being said, there's a different perspective that can be taken on using the Flash Forwarding approach. I believe you're writing from the perspective is that the method we're describing would utilize a page of content that is irrelevant to the actual site. If so, then, you're right...however... I do SEO for clients and think that the method can be used well, if the page that the bots are scanning, but the people can't read, does contain only relevant information. I do organic SEO as much as possible for clients as well as PPC, but it's difficult to work in a keyword/phrase the recommended 5-7 times on a page without offending the sensibilities of the reader. And, if you put every keyword/phrase 5-7 times for which you want to appear on search engines, you end up with really thick, mechanical copy. However, if you're writing copy only for the bots, they couldn't care less about whether or not the copy reads smoothly...they just check for the existence of keywords/phrases. So, the actual copy on the page that the person visiting the site doesn't read, but the bots do, can be heavy with repeated keywords/phrases that are completely relevant to the site content. I don't consider this approach unethical at all. I *would* consider any attempt to abuse keywords/phrases to bring traffic to a site which has nothing to do with the keywords/phrases a visitor actually uses to be completely unethical, whether the site had adult content or content about lawnmower maintenance. I don't see how Google could consider Flash Forwarding method to be inappropriate under any circumstances. It amounts to the same thing as having a Site Map on a page which simply contains links to various parts of the site based on keywords/phrases that searchers are using, such as: Hinesville Real Estate Hinesville GA Real Estate Hinesville Georgia Real Estate Fort Stewart Real Estate Fort Stewart GA Real Estate Fort Stewart Georgia Real Estate While such an approach may not seem to make a lot of sense to a viewer who is unaware of why these variations would be on a page, which is to appeal to bots, I don't see how it would be considered unethical to include those variations on site map. Any thoughts on this? Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question This concerns me the most, you can trick the bots until you have a total monopoly on keywords. Yet, if someone reports you to google (and it happens) for hijacking traffic (only have to look at your competitors) and they then find you're hacking the bots, they blacklist you. Ontop of that, do you really want to trick your customers into going to a site thats of no relivance. What about if the flash swf fails or they can't load it? then what... I used to work for *one* of the worlds adult content providers, my job was to farm adult sites out to reap search engine / ecommerce rewards. Our strategy was like a solider based system, where we would create lots of this annoying crappy little websites all over the shop using geocities, anglefire and all that crap to link back to first tier domains, which were upsell sites. We would then populate these tier domains with more established content and so on until it went back to key / rich content based sites where the actual cc transactions would begin. I've seen some talented folk use tricks that have me giving mass-golf-claps as to how well they counter-acted it - yet i've seen yahoo / google pounce on them fast. Google prides itself on being a fairly clean / noiseless search engine so that if my kids search for Dallas they get results based on the city - not - DEBBIE DOES DALLAS FOR 98th time. Actualy relivant key words returning such results. any h00t be mindfull of who your traffic will be, and what risks you take in tricking bots. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201114 Archives: http
Re: Search engine question
Hrm, what about wrapping chunks of Text inside divs that have visible = false? Has anyone applied that technique aswell (now you all have be curious again on SOE) On Apr 1, 2005 12:25 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, certainly you're right, because various pages in my clients sites show up in the rankings...not just the index or home page. However, those other pages appear in the rankings when they actually have more relevant keywords/phrases searched for than the index or home page. I have one Real Estate broker who also sells insurance. When insurance is search for, the insurance page shows up in the rankings, but not the index or homepage...and that's the way I think it should be. The pages of the site seem to be ranked individually, rather than the site as a whole...again, which is the way I think it should be. I would hate to have to try to get all the keywords/phrases I need for some of the larger sites on the homepage! If you were to have a sitemap and it spiders that page and you *hide* that link from a user (by color if need be) then in fact you achieve the same results. But I wouldn't want a page like that on the site...it would appear to the viewer that the page had no content...that's as bad as some of the gateway pages I've seen. The copy is terrible for the human visitor, but great for the bot... Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question Correct me if i'm wrong and chances are it may be the case, but i think i remember reading that google doesn't base its ranking on index page alone. It weighs up the entire site and then asses its ranking capabilities. If you were to have a sitemap and it spiders that page and you *hide* that link from a user (by color if need be) then in fact you achieve the same results. I could be off on this one but thats what i interpreted from Google Hacks. eg: MossyBlog tends to have more hits show up based on relevant pages vs index? On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:19:14 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well...what you've stated is true and blacklisting is to be avoided at all costs...that being said, there's a different perspective that can be taken on using the Flash Forwarding approach. I believe you're writing from the perspective is that the method we're describing would utilize a page of content that is irrelevant to the actual site. If so, then, you're right...however... I do SEO for clients and think that the method can be used well, if the page that the bots are scanning, but the people can't read, does contain only relevant information. I do organic SEO as much as possible for clients as well as PPC, but it's difficult to work in a keyword/phrase the recommended 5-7 times on a page without offending the sensibilities of the reader. And, if you put every keyword/phrase 5-7 times for which you want to appear on search engines, you end up with really thick, mechanical copy. However, if you're writing copy only for the bots, they couldn't care less about whether or not the copy reads smoothly...they just check for the existence of keywords/phrases. So, the actual copy on the page that the person visiting the site doesn't read, but the bots do, can be heavy with repeated keywords/phrases that are completely relevant to the site content. I don't consider this approach unethical at all. I *would* consider any attempt to abuse keywords/phrases to bring traffic to a site which has nothing to do with the keywords/phrases a visitor actually uses to be completely unethical, whether the site had adult content or content about lawnmower maintenance. I don't see how Google could consider Flash Forwarding method to be inappropriate under any circumstances. It amounts to the same thing as having a Site Map on a page which simply contains links to various parts of the site based on keywords/phrases that searchers are using, such as: Hinesville Real Estate Hinesville GA Real Estate Hinesville Georgia Real Estate Fort Stewart Real Estate Fort Stewart GA Real Estate Fort Stewart Georgia Real Estate While such an approach may not seem to make a lot of sense to a viewer who is unaware of why these variations would be on a page, which is to appeal to bots, I don't see how it would be considered unethical to include those variations on site map. Any thoughts on this? Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question This concerns me the most, you can trick the bots until you have a total monopoly on keywords. Yet, if someone reports you to google (and it happens) for hijacking traffic (only have to look at your competitors
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
I use CT for spidaweb.com, its not a critical web site and if it went down for an hour I wouldn't care. I've heard rumours that Australia surfers can suddenly see CT drop off the web for a bit - but that was due to some major US based router or something technical like that.apparently That all being said, It doesn't bother me they take it down infact i'd prefer an ISP tell me 1+ times the reasons why they are about to take down my website instead of ISP's that simply DONT. On the whole, I'm pretty carefactor on CT they seem to respond to my support requests easy enough - although my email accounts tend to loose admin every now an then but no real hard hitting issue. CT = cruisy and can't think of an ISP around the same price range that offers more in terms of CS? If i were to host a large scale wesbite like Macromedia.com or something really customer driven - then i'd be pinning them to the wall on whys but for a shared hosting situation really, i think you're dreaming a little in terms of expecting dedicated instance 24/7, 365 days a year uptime and only goes down in the event a meteor takes out the server rack imho. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200884 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
Are you being paid by the word count via HMS? or what...talk about an infomercial... hehe On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:44:51 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats like with HMS, if I have a problem I call anytime of day or night and it's fixed before I get off the phone, simple as that:) They also send out lots of notifications about what they are doing but I don't think they fill their servers up with as much stuff so it's not having to be updated as much. :) From: Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:26 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! That all being said, It doesn't bother me they take it down infact i'd prefer an ISP tell me 1+ times the reasons why they are about to take down my website instead of ISP's that simply DONT. I can't agree more. The level of communication I get from CrystalTech is one of the main reasons I stay with them. I want to know that my site will be down for 15 minutes at 3:00am and why. Other hosts don't go down for maintenance less often, they just tell you about it less often. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200899 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
CT seem like a big bad company... i'm an Aussie who hosts offshore (cheaper to do so...which is bloody sad for Australia)... and so I'm pretty much out of the loop on what politic`n they have going amongst the US ISP Community... Sounds like they need to pull their head in though On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:21:33 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No but I should ask them too! Maybe I should just ask ct for that as well because apparently ct thinks they own HMS as well, since they try and tell them what they can and can't do. From: Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:17 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! Are you being paid by the word count via HMS? or what...talk about an infomercial... hehe On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:44:51 -0500, dave wrote: thats like with HMS, if I have a problem I call anytime of day or night and it's fixed before I get off the phone, simple as that:) They also send out lots of notifications about what they are doing but I don't think they fill their servers up with as much stuff so it's not having to be updated as much. :) From: Jim Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! That all being said, It doesn't bother me they take it down infact i'd prefer an ISP tell me 1+ times the reasons why they are about to take down my website instead of ISP's that simply DONT. I can't agree more. The level of communication I get from CrystalTech is one of the main reasons I stay with them. I want to know that my site will be down for 15 minutes at 3:00am and why. Other hosts don't go down for maintenance less often, they just tell you about it less often. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200903 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
Hmm, you make it sound so sinister... you also forgot the key point i made on MossyBlog and that was : ...I've missed about 1000 extra points i could easily extend further into but i'd be here all night and this post would be probably turn into a book... DHTML and Flash each have their own set of problems, and thats really outside the scope of this thread - but let me just say this, i am still waiting for other technology to emerge as quite frankly, the both NEED work badly. Flash 8 May address a few issues, but i have serious doubts as usually features are pre-locked in before BETA commences (Which from what i've read is where they are at now) so *shrug* think they have bigger fish to fry.. Anywho.. thanks Micha On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 03:26:02 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was talking about a discussion we had on here several weaks back and this info about massive leakage using dhtml was never brought into the discussion, which is kinda the point right? I mean to make a educated decision you need to know the all the facts, correct? Not going against what you are saying but by holding back valuable info like that is kinda, umm, misleading. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:19 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers? Dave, Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think after 9 years of work in this industry I am able to advice people when to use Flash and when not to use Flash. That discussion is of the type forever ongoing but those who actually know the techniques instead of bloating about it use the right tool for the right job. This info, as you like to refer to, was never part of the subject of Scott's question, so I haven't referred to it while there was no need to. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197792 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
Micha, I'm at a crossroads, in that I typically defensive code when in DHTML (or any language which has auto-garbage collection enabled) - yet i'm concerned its an un-needed amount of work... ie reminds me of writing 115 lines of code to print hello world - sure its Zen powerd to the 10th degree - yet seems like i over did the task. I guess what i was asking is that what kind of application or if any out there that are being used suffer from this leak issue? and is it really an issue or like you stated with flash, happens but really not many notice only us perfectionists ;) On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:14:30 +0100, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, There is no massive leak if you clean up before you leave the room. Like any other language, if you don't close connections, clean up what you have used and start programming without keeping memory in mind you might end up with problems. And you know what? Flash MX also is sensitive for circular references. Use a scope chain and memory is never released (Timothée Groleau wrote about it) until you write code to clean those references. Does this make Flash MX instantly unsuitable. Ofcourse not, just by the fact the amount of memory loss isn't really a big deal. Like that 50kb loss per total refresh is going to affect you're application instantly. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197794 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
Thread hijacker! hehehe :) No harm no foul from my end, healthy jabs here and there keep us all honest imho ;) On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 04:37:51 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry I totally went off topic from your post. I was just perturbed that he knew that but failed to mention it in the previous discussion where it was relevant. From: Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:32 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers? Hmm, you make it sound so sinister... you also forgot the key point i made on MossyBlog and that was : ...I've missed about 1000 extra points i could easily extend further into but i'd be here all night and this post would be probably turn into a book... DHTML and Flash each have their own set of problems, and thats really outside the scope of this thread - but let me just say this, i am still waiting for other technology to emerge as quite frankly, the both NEED work badly. Flash 8 May address a few issues, but i have serious doubts as usually features are pre-locked in before BETA commences (Which from what i've read is where they are at now) so *shrug* think they have bigger fish to fry.. Anywho.. thanks Micha On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 03:26:02 -0500, dave wrote: Was talking about a discussion we had on here several weaks back and this info about massive leakage using dhtml was never brought into the discussion, which is kinda the point right? I mean to make a educated decision you need to know the all the facts, correct? Not going against what you are saying but by holding back valuable info like that is kinda, umm, misleading. From: Micha Schopman Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers? Dave, Both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think after 9 years of work in this industry I am able to advice people when to use Flash and when not to use Flash. That discussion is of the type forever ongoing but those who actually know the techniques instead of bloating about it use the right tool for the right job. This info, as you like to refer to, was never part of the subject of Scott's question, so I haven't referred to it while there was no need to. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197795 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
heheh fiesty bunch aren't yas :) Micha, i noticed the other day you posted a screenshot of your CMS? Does that have DHTML unload techniques and what not in place or did you just simply leave it at the basics (ie tmpObj = null etc) Is that CMS Open Source btw? On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:57:31 +0100, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, Why are you trolling? The thread started with a simple question about memory management, and you change it into a why didn't you mentioned this ... and that.. on that time ... that day .. in that thread.. when there is no relation whatsoever with Scott's question and what has been said weeks, months ago. If you have serious mental problems, contact me off the list. Maybe I can help you resolving them. For now, back ontopic. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197805 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
Well, I don't know whats taken place as i only jump in / out of this list when it suites me (sorry) but, the other day on another CF List (CFAussie) I actually got in trouble for mentioning information that i thought was not obvious to some, thus i assumed resulting in a thread-match-2005. Point i'm making is that sometimes we folk get complacent when on mailing lists and assume others are up to speed on certain topics but sadly in some cases they aren't especially those who passively participate in open forum discussions so that they may learn. That being said, there is no such thing as a dumb question, only dumb teachers/pupils (ie those who mock people for asking dumb questions = dumb and those who don't ask a question on something = dumb).. I mean that also in a non-offensive manner too, just stating its better to ask as in the end you'll be smarter for it. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:09:13 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gee sorry god of the web coders, was just saying it woulda been nice for you too include that info when ppl were trying to learn from the discussion instead of hiding it cause obviously you knew about it. And sorry I didn't bring it up then but I didn't fully understand you were pulling m$ tactics on the ppl trying to learn from the discussion till you just busted it out. Excuse for me being a bit pissed that you are like that and helped mislead the ppl trying to learn from what was said. ok its 4 am and been up for 22hrs and im being an ass, sorry lol whe From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:58 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers? Dave, Why are you trolling? The thread started with a simple question about memory management, and you change it into a why didn't you mentioned this ... and that.. on that time ... that day .. in that thread.. when there is no relation whatsoever with Scott's question and what has been said weeks, months ago. If you have serious mental problems, contact me off the list. Maybe I can help you resolving them. For now, back ontopic. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197806 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:10:28 +0100, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, There is not a specific type of application, it is more the use of leveraging DOM in combination with JavaScript. I showed you a small teaser from an upcoming CMS, using a rich interface. That interface is build up with JavaScript. Each menu, treeview, and table consists out of OO JS, which provides sorting, drag n drop, on demand loading, single paged interface, etc, etc. Then we also have a layered presentation model, also entirely based on Javascript, with ui persistency layers, reusable scripting etc. Cool, did something similiar in early 2002ish, CMS ..heh had it publish pages using DHTML and 8 frames...(ie XMLHttpRequest would of been great!) and cf would generate HTML files... had everyone going OoOOO how'd ya do that progress bar!... In general this interface is about 85% javascript and only 15% initial XHTML markup code. Even though a full refresh only leaks 50kb, an amount which is very normal regarding references to DOM. Will you notice this in terms of speed of the application, NO. Garbage collection is always a topic, whether you use Java, JavaScript, .NET, Actionscript; The way memory is released, if you have closed database connections, or methods of optimizing memory usage too prevent long and painful GC flushes. Managed languages never guarantee optimal use and release of memory. In theory they should, but in practice that is not reachable because there are too many complex parameters involved. Yeah, i've noticed it on and off, sometimes with Coldfusion it can be a pain - ie we can delete an objects key reference but not the actual object itself (there is a way to do this using java but Sean Co have highly recommended not to do that hehe). I guess in the end, you could write defensive DHTML until you're satisified that the memory is managed yet : - what are teh chances of a user leaving the same browser instance open for post 50mb anyway? realistically if a user were using the same IE session for say 4-8 hours? even then a typical application would really have to be pushing it to go past 50mb? - what are we doing in the end? in that i've not yet seen some actual live - in the wild - applications that have cried a foul due to Memory Leak issues? I'm yet to be convinced it is an actual wide-spread problem? (I am easily convinced too) - IE 7 is on the horizon, while its probably years away from actual takeups - yet i personally wonder as to constricting the development to using var x = y, x.dosomething, x = null unload style tricks / hacks around the bug really worthwhile post IE 6? - I'm really yet to even see FireFox suck the memory down with a DHTML app, and will be flawed to see that happen ... I present these points not as a forced opinion down all throats, more as of a this is whats nagging away at me for the cons of memory leak management in JS - please feel free to refute / shoot down as i hate that feeling like i'm about to pioneer something or take a technical leap of faith (Not saying i'm the first but hopefully you get my meaning) Newho - bed time. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197810 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
OT: Memory Leak in Browsers?
Basically, most would know about the Internet Explorer Memory leak in terms of Garbage Collection not being able to read our Development minds. My question is, has anyone here actually experienced bad memory leaks? in that have you build an application using massive amounts of DHTML - only 3 months down the track you've had to come back and rebuild stuff simply because it became a memory hog? I ask this as despite the know bug in IE (argueably it could be considered developer bad foreplay but anyway) even if an application after an hours use steals 50mb of RAM (now that would have to be a pretty darn big app mind you) surely that wouldn't affect todays computers? as in most would probably fair to say have around 512mb of Ram at minimum? Also taking into account most Tools can ask upward to 90mb to run anyway (ie java based ones that is). -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:197776 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [OT, Python Quote] Plum vs Fusebox4.1/Mach-II (was RE: Plum vs Adalon?)
To be blunt and i've been on Plum since i think adam invited me ages past, I really dig the concept and cannot fault it for what its achieved. I do however hold back in reservation as simply put: I don't have the time or energy to inherit something ontop of a language that has its own set of problems and issues. I've been thinking a lot as of late on what i expect out of a framework or extension if you will via the WEB/COLDFUSION and in the end I just want something light thats agile enough for me to bolt on anything when it comes to the innerds. Mach-II is much much more agile then plum in regards to ease of use and comparing the two is like apples and plums (hehe couldn't resist). PLUM in many ways is like a Developers CMS / IDE for automated mundane tasks that we do day in day out and lets face it, get sick of rolling. When given a project i tend to want to get straight into the hard part, but like my Guidance Counselor in high school once said do the easy tasks first, then come back and do the hard ones last as if you run out of time, you have gotten more work done in the end didn't understand at the time but daily in CFMX i find myself having to put in stupid time to get to the point of writing the hard stuff and by this time (I'm sure others would agree) you're basically over the concept. PLUM by appearances (i'm only 1 project in so i reserve the right to change my un-informed opinion) seems to fast track you through the crappy tasks and focus on the guts of it all. I am still hanging out for the day when i can put together an XML based concept that automates my view/presenter/partial model allowing me time and energy to focus on the integration part(s) server-side. As thats where the money is needed the most. FLEX offers that in some way, and PLUM seems to hint and being in many ways a similiar alternative (sure technologies are different). So yeah Mach-II is different in so many ways and i wouldn't bother trying to compare the two. (PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS AN IGNORANT OPINION, I'VE USED IT ON AND OFF BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY, I HAVE MORE WORK AHEAD OF ME IN ITS USE hehehe). -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
