RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

[Rick]

cftry

 Run you CFMAIL..

  cfcatchMark email bad in database/cfcatch
/cftry



-Original Message-
From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 5:12 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


I am trying to send a mass mailing to a somewhat carelessly created list of
contacts using e-mail addresses which were not verified at the time of
entry. Whenever the cfloop tag comes to an erroneous recipient, it quits and
throws an error. Is there anything I can do to the code to make it keep
going?

Here's the code:

CFLOOP list=#Form.SelectedRecipients# index=Recipient
CFMAIL
from=#Form.Sender#
to=#Recipient#
subject=#Form.Subject#
type=HTML

htmlheadlink rel=stylesheet
href=http://www.northgoods.com/global.css; type=text/css //headbody
bgcolor=black
table width=800 align=center
TR
TD align=center colspan=2
table width=800 align=center border=4 cellpadding=10
bgcolor=blacktrtd
strongfont face=Arial size=+1 color=##FF6600
#Form.Message#
/font/strong
/td/tr/table
table align=center
trth colspan=2strongfont face=Arial size=-1
color=##FF6600If you would like to be removed frombrour mailing list,
please click here:/font/strongbr
a
href=http://www.northgoods.com/unsubscribe.cfm?delEmail=#Recipient#;
title=UNSUBSCRIBEfont face=Arial size=-1
color=whitestrongUNSUBSCRIBE/strong/font/abr
font face=Arial size=-1 color=##FF6600You will receive one last
message from us to confirm your removal from our
list./font/strong/th/tr /TABLE/body/html
/CFMAIL
/CFLOOP




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Decrypting MD5

[Rick Sanders]

Hey all sorry if this has been asked before. I did Google and didn't come up 
with a result.

I want to know if I can decrypt passwords stored as MD5 in a SQL Server 
database using the Decrypt function? There are online tools out there that 
decrypt MD5 so I'm hoping that I can do this in CF. Thanks.

Kind regards,

Rick


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RE: Decrypting MD5

[Rick Sanders]

So basically MD5 is useless if you can't decrypt the value! That sucks.

Kind regards,

Rick 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:57 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Decrypting MD5


 I want to know if I can decrypt passwords stored as MD5 in a SQL 
 Server database using the Decrypt function? There are online tools out there 
 that decrypt MD5 so I'm hoping that I can do this in CF.

There are no tools that actually decrypt MD5 hashes, to the best of my 
knowledge. MD5 is a hashing algorithm, not an encryption algorithm. It lets you 
take a plaintext value and generates a hashed value, which cannot be decrypted.

These online tools don't decrypt MD5 hashes. Instead, they have large databases 
of plaintext values and their corresponding MD5 hashes. When you hash a value, 
you should always get the same hash, so these tools compare the hash you 
provide against their database of existing hash values, and then lookup the 
corresponding plaintext value.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
1-202-527-9569
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
(SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor- authorized 
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RE: need a host

[Rick Eidson]

They have CF11.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:43 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: need a host


Hi Folks

I would affirm kickAssVps, I was with them for several years and got great
responsive service.

However for business reasons, which I totally understand, they are not
upgrading to CF11.

I moved to www.viviotech.net/ and because I am not all that literate in the
server and condfusion administration arena purchased the extended support
and I couldn't be happier, the crew their have been really great.

Rob
Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/
503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
 






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Re: need a host

[Rick Faircloth]

I would highly recommend them, without reservation.

I have no vested interest in a recommendation. They've just been
great to work with since I placed my first VPS order in 2008 and have
been very helpful, supportive, and accommodating.

I just have them set up my VPS's and then manage the server
hardware, CF server, and IIS, myself via RDC.

Works like a charm...

Rick


On 11/21/2014 4:04 PM, Wil Genovese wrote:
 I should really get to know these KickAssVPS people. They are located less 
 than 2 miles from my house here in St. Paul, MN.





 Wil Genovese
 Sr. Web Application Developer/
 Systems Administrator
 CF Webtools
 www.cfwebtools.com

 wilg...@trunkful.com
 www.trunkful.com

 On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote:

 They have CF11.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:43 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: need a host


 Hi Folks

 I would affirm kickAssVps, I was with them for several years and got great
 responsive service.

 However for business reasons, which I totally understand, they are not
 upgrading to CF11.

 I moved to www.viviotech.net/ and because I am not all that literate in the
 server and condfusion administration arena purchased the extended support
 and I couldn't be happier, the crew their have been really great.

 Rob
 Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
 Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
 For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
 Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
 to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/
 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382








 

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Re: need a host

[Rick Faircloth]

Ha! Kinda funny...  This is a Virtual server, and I manage the 
hardware! :)

On 11/21/2014 4:09 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 I would highly recommend them, without reservation.

 I have no vested interest in a recommendation. They've just been
 great to work with since I placed my first VPS order in 2008 and have
 been very helpful, supportive, and accommodating.

 I just have them set up my VPS's and then manage the server
 hardware, CF server, and IIS, myself via RDC.

 Works like a charm...

 Rick


 On 11/21/2014 4:04 PM, Wil Genovese wrote:
 I should really get to know these KickAssVPS people. They are located less 
 than 2 miles from my house here in St. Paul, MN.





 Wil Genovese
 Sr. Web Application Developer/
 Systems Administrator
 CF Webtools
 www.cfwebtools.com

 wilg...@trunkful.com
 www.trunkful.com

 On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote:

 They have CF11.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:43 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: need a host


 Hi Folks

 I would affirm kickAssVps, I was with them for several years and got great
 responsive service.

 However for business reasons, which I totally understand, they are not
 upgrading to CF11.

 I moved to www.viviotech.net/ and because I am not all that literate in the
 server and condfusion administration arena purchased the extended support
 and I couldn't be happier, the crew their have been really great.

 Rob
 Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
 Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
 For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
 Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
  to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/
 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382








 

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Re: need a host

[Rick Faircloth]

I've always gotten quick, personal attention to any issues that may arise.


On 11/19/2014 9:27 PM, Rick Eidson wrote:
 I posted about this last week... Yes, you are right. It seems they have
 become a bit drone like. Before with a tech problem things seems more
 personable.



 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:41 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: need a host


 KickAssVPS.com

 Been with them for years; very little trouble; always quick with support.

 They even tailor VPS's for me.


 On 11/19/2014 7:49 PM, Brian Thornton wrote:
 So sorry to bring up an old thread. BUt things have changed at Hostek.
 Simple common sense have changed into support phone scripts,
 unresponsive tickets, beuracy over account confirmatino over the
 phone.

 Some examples:
 EXAMPLE 1:
 Me: Hi Can you make this change on the account since the online
 portal is not working using the username and password you provided?
 Hostek Support: Yes as long as you answer your secret question with
 the correct answer.
 Me: Sure what is the question that you'd like me to answer?
 Hostek: Sir due to confidentiality, I cant give you the question or
 the answer but you can login online to get the question.
 Me: I understand that but I'm calling since the autogenerated
 password you just created and emailed me isn't valid this cannot login
 to the portal. If I can't login how would I get the question or the
 answer and if I could login I wouldn't be calling you.
 Hostek: Well sir, if you like you can login and change your password
 if you like.

 or EXAMPLE 2:
 Me: When you setup a VPS server for a client you gave them a username
 and password for RDS to the machine, however your policy is to block
 all access unless the IP address is whitelisted. What is the password
 to login to add an IPto the whitelist table?
 Hostek: Sorry sir, that's a different password that you will need to
 login with. I don't have access to it, to allow you to reset it, or to
 create a new one. You will need to login to change it.

 etc etc..

 So kudos to Hostek for being CF tailored, but folks they have become
 drones.
 I recommend the others found at:
 http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/coldfusion-family/hosting-partners.ht
 ml

 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen Hait stephenh...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Just switched a client from Newtek to Hostek and everyone's a lot
 happier.
 CF11, though, not sure about CF9.


 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Smith
 chedders...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 not newtek, no hostmedia.co.uk(no mssql), no viviotek.  Any suggestions?

 Need cf 9 and ms sql.  Thanks.

 --
 Regards,
 chedder is bedder





 

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Re: need a host

[Rick Faircloth]

KickAssVPS.com

Been with them for years; very little trouble; always quick with support.

They even tailor VPS's for me.


On 11/19/2014 7:49 PM, Brian Thornton wrote:
 So sorry to bring up an old thread. BUt things have changed at Hostek.
 Simple common sense have changed into support phone scripts,
 unresponsive tickets, beuracy over account confirmatino over the
 phone.

 Some examples:
 EXAMPLE 1:
 Me: Hi Can you make this change on the account since the online
 portal is not working using the username and password you provided?
 Hostek Support: Yes as long as you answer your secret question with
 the correct answer.
 Me: Sure what is the question that you'd like me to answer?
 Hostek: Sir due to confidentiality, I cant give you the question or
 the answer but you can login online to get the question.
 Me: I understand that but I'm calling since the autogenerated
 password you just created and emailed me isn't valid this cannot login
 to the portal. If I can't login how would I get the question or the
 answer and if I could login I wouldn't be calling you.
 Hostek: Well sir, if you like you can login and change your password
 if you like.

 or EXAMPLE 2:
 Me: When you setup a VPS server for a client you gave them a username
 and password for RDS to the machine, however your policy is to block
 all access unless the IP address is whitelisted. What is the password
 to login to add an IPto the whitelist table?
 Hostek: Sorry sir, that's a different password that you will need to
 login with. I don't have access to it, to allow you to reset it, or to
 create a new one. You will need to login to change it.

 etc etc..

 So kudos to Hostek for being CF tailored, but folks they have become drones.

 I recommend the others found at:
 http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/coldfusion-family/hosting-partners.html

 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen Hait stephenh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just switched a client from Newtek to Hostek and everyone's a lot happier.
 CF11, though, not sure about CF9.


 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Smith chedders...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 not newtek, no hostmedia.co.uk(no mssql), no viviotek.  Any suggestions?

 Need cf 9 and ms sql.  Thanks.

 --
 Regards,
 chedder is bedder




 

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RE: need a host

[Rick Eidson]

I posted about this last week... Yes, you are right. It seems they have
become a bit drone like. Before with a tech problem things seems more
personable. 



Rick

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: need a host


KickAssVPS.com

Been with them for years; very little trouble; always quick with support.

They even tailor VPS's for me.


On 11/19/2014 7:49 PM, Brian Thornton wrote:
 So sorry to bring up an old thread. BUt things have changed at Hostek.
 Simple common sense have changed into support phone scripts, 
 unresponsive tickets, beuracy over account confirmatino over the 
 phone.

 Some examples:
 EXAMPLE 1:
 Me: Hi Can you make this change on the account since the online 
 portal is not working using the username and password you provided?
 Hostek Support: Yes as long as you answer your secret question with 
 the correct answer.
 Me: Sure what is the question that you'd like me to answer?
 Hostek: Sir due to confidentiality, I cant give you the question or 
 the answer but you can login online to get the question.
 Me: I understand that but I'm calling since the autogenerated 
 password you just created and emailed me isn't valid this cannot login 
 to the portal. If I can't login how would I get the question or the 
 answer and if I could login I wouldn't be calling you.
 Hostek: Well sir, if you like you can login and change your password 
 if you like.

 or EXAMPLE 2:
 Me: When you setup a VPS server for a client you gave them a username 
 and password for RDS to the machine, however your policy is to block 
 all access unless the IP address is whitelisted. What is the password 
 to login to add an IPto the whitelist table?
 Hostek: Sorry sir, that's a different password that you will need to 
 login with. I don't have access to it, to allow you to reset it, or to 
 create a new one. You will need to login to change it.

 etc etc..

 So kudos to Hostek for being CF tailored, but folks they have become
drones.

 I recommend the others found at:
 http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/coldfusion-family/hosting-partners.ht
 ml

 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen Hait stephenh...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Just switched a client from Newtek to Hostek and everyone's a lot
happier.
 CF11, though, not sure about CF9.


 On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Smith 
 chedders...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 not newtek, no hostmedia.co.uk(no mssql), no viviotek.  Any suggestions?

 Need cf 9 and ms sql.  Thanks.

 --
 Regards,
 chedder is bedder




 



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Sending SMS

[Rick Sanders]

Hey guys,

Does anyone know a service I can use for sending sms messages from cold fusion? 
I want to make an app that notifies someone by sms when their product is ready.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders

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171 Main St   1205 N. Second Ave
Dartmouth, NS  Siler City, NC
T: 902-401-7689   T: 919-799-9076
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RE: Sending SMS

[Rick Sanders]

Thanks Bryan,

So it's like online payment. You need a gateway then a payment processor.

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:32 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Sending SMS


Hey Rick,

I'd say the answer depends on your situation.

A big determining factor is what carrier are the folks on that you would be 
sending to?  I ask because if only one carrier you can go low cost and failry 
easy.

If multiple carriers, you may want to consider using an SMS aggregator as they 
know how to connect and send SMS messages through all the various carrier 
networks (for a fee per text message - those fees vary wildly depending on the 
various APIs you have to choose from).  I use Clickatel for SMS aggregation 
services in the state of Maryland and I think we are talking pennies per text 
(you load account with credits and they get consumed - can notify as you get 
low etc).

Once you have the carrier details sorted, then it's HOW you send (there is an 
SMS gateway in CF, but you can also just call APIs with say Clickatel using 
their HTTP API (one of 3-5 they offer). SOme APIs are meant fo super high 
volume - some for lowsome offer different feautures.

So there is a simple primer to aid in some core decision making - I'll keep an 
eye on this thread - ask away! ;-)

Take care

-Bryan

*Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm.
President  CEO
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM)
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cell: 250.920.8830
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RE: Sending SMS

[Rick Sanders]

That's great but what about sending to different carriers? I'm guessing you 
have to know what carrier the customer you're sending a sms is on right?

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders

Canada:  USA:
171 Main St   1205 N. Second Ave
Dartmouth, NS  Siler City, NC
T: 902-401-7689   T: 919-799-9076
W: www.webenergy.ca  W: www.webenergyusa.com


-Original Message-
From: richpaul7 . [mailto:richpa...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:26 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Sending SMS


I added SMS support using email.  for example, for Verizon, it's the 
phonenum...@vtext.com I googled it and found eahc carriers domain for 
email-to-text and then added a dropdown list for the carriers when my users 
enter their phone number to receive texts.

I don't use any service at all, it's a simple cfmail



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Is time for a change?

[Rick Eidson]

Anyone using Hostek?  I have been with them for. well a long time.  But in
the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever.  I really
hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run
will I be better off. 

 

Any thoughts?

 

Rick




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RE: Is time for a change?

[Rick Eidson]

Mail Servers going down, Web servers going down seams the turnaround isn't
as quick as it used to be. I was wondering if they may have been purchased
by someone else. I have a particular client that seems every time I turn
around their services aren't working. They are about to bail. I don't have a
lot of clients I like to keep them.


rick


-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is time for a change?


I'm working with Hostek for a client and so far they've been great. What
issues are you seeing? Have you talked to them? They've been very responsive
to our clients needs and requests.


Wil Genovese
Sr. Web Application Developer/
Systems Administrator
CF Webtools
www.cfwebtools.com

wilg...@trunkful.com
www.trunkful.com

On Nov 7, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote:

 
 Anyone using Hostek?  I have been with them for. well a long time.  
 But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever.  
 I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if 
 in the long run will I be better off.
 
 
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 
 
 Rick
 
 
 
 
 



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RE: Is time for a change?

[Rick Eidson]

Lots of great responses... Like I said I really hate the idea of moving. The
VPS sounds interesting and I believe Hostek offers that as well as
dedicated. 

I have a pretty large SQL Server database with them now for my largest
client and its probably going to grow. I only have about 25 domains 1 of
them is on a Linux server the rest are all Windows CF servers. I am also
getting ready to add another one. 

I guess I can check into it and see what cost would be... the last thing I
need to do is increase my overhead. Right now I am paying Hostek about
$130/m for just the basic CF hosting for the 25 domains not counting the
adons and database cost. 

I would also want to make the transition as seamless as
possible...preferably my clients know nothing about the move. 

Does VPS handle everything? MSSQL Database, SmarterMail or just the websites
with Coldfusion?

I guess a lot of these questions I should be asking Hostek...


Rick

-Original Message-
From: Money Pit [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:02 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is time for a change?


Could not agree more with Russ' comments on CF hosting in his blog.  I'll
never go back to shared hosting.  I've got a couple of Viviotech VPS' that
I'm pretty happy with.  One runs my personal stuff and old web site from
when I was a developer.  Another runs about 30 low-traffic sites that work
with my business.  A VPS is a great step up if you aren't ready to take the
plunge and pay for a full-on server.  Insofar as full-on servers are
concerned, nothing can match the hardware that you get at Cybercon, but then
again you are also expected to pretty much be self-sufficient, there.

Think about doing a VPS instead of shared hosting.  Just for starters you
get to keep all the hosting fees.




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RE: Is time for a change?

[Rick Eidson]

Oh I know all about the email hosting.. .Before I moved to Hostek I had a T1
line into my basement. Did all my own hosting, I had 2 server cabinets with
all Dells...(I still have them) pretty good setup. I started my company with
that and then the T1 became outdated and very expensive.  I used ArgoSoft
Mail Server, actually really liked it but the SPAM and Blacklist were a
nightmare. But back then my company was bigger with closer to 100
domains/clients. I formed a partnership with another person who pretty much
screwed me over. We split up the company (lost a lot of clients in the
breakup) and I formed Eidson Empire, LLC. and moved to Hostek for my
provider. 

I still not sure what I am going to do.. I think the VPS will be more than I
can afford right now. Maybe if I land about 10 more clients I can justify
it.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:49 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is time for a change?


Ideally you need 1 VPs for each service, web db and mail, plus you would
need a smartermail license, unless hostek are a bundle provider in which
case you can get a free 250 user license with the VPS.
Running a mail server is way more work than people realise though, it is not
just keeping it running, it is deal with spam, spoofing, back scatter, black
listing, spf and domain key issues and more.
One alternative is to use zohomail which is free for basic service.
At the end of the day shared hosting is like going to the $1 store in
comparison, so you get what you pay for.



On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 0:26 AM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote:


Lots of great responses... Like I said I really hate the idea of moving. The
VPS sounds interesting and I believe Hostek offers that as well as
dedicated.

I have a pretty large SQL Server database with them now for my largest
client and its probably going to grow. I only have about 25 domains 1 of
them is on a Linux server the rest are all Windows CF servers. I am also
getting ready to add another one.

I guess I can check into it and see what cost would be... the last thing I
need to do is increase my overhead. Right now I am paying Hostek about
$130/m for just the basic CF hosting for the 25 domains not counting the
adons and database cost.

I would also want to make the transition as seamless as
possible...preferably my clients know nothing about the move.

Does VPS handle everything? MSSQL Database, SmarterMail or just the websites
with Coldfusion?

I guess a lot of these questions I should be asking Hostek...


Rick

-Original Message-
From: Money Pit [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com javascript:;]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:02 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is time for a change?


Could not agree more with Russ' comments on CF hosting in his blog.  I'll
never go back to shared hosting.  I've got a couple of Viviotech VPS' that
I'm pretty happy with.  One runs my personal stuff and old web site from
when I was a developer.  Another runs about 30 low-traffic sites that work
with my business.  A VPS is a great step up if you aren't ready to take the
plunge and pay for a full-on server.  Insofar as full-on servers are
concerned, nothing can match the hardware that you get at Cybercon, but then
again you are also expected to pretty much be self-sufficient, there.

Think about doing a VPS instead of shared hosting.  Just for starters you
get to keep all the hosting fees.








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Re: SOT: the magic of RANK()

[Rick Faircloth]

Nice!

I've never heard of Rank()...


On 8/12/2014 4:21 PM, John M Bliss wrote:
 I hope this saves someone some time and I hope I'm not way late to the
 RANK() party:

 Let's say you have this table:

 column1 - column2
 A - 1
 A - 2
 A - 2
 B - 3
 B - 4
 B - 4

 ...and you need to write SQL to return the most frequently occurring
 column2 for each distinct column1:

 A - 2
 B - 4

 Enter RANK():

 SELECT x.column1, x.column2
 FROM (
 SELECT z.column1, z.column2, COUNT(*) as thecount, RANK() OVER (PARTITION
 BY z.column1 ORDER BY COUNT(*) DESC) AS therank
 FROM z
 GROUP BY z.column1, z.column2
 ) AS x
 WHERE x.therank = 1

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CF User group around Tallahassee Florida

[Rick Dennis]

I am curious if there is a ColdFusion user group meeting or located near 
Tallahassee, Florida?

If not where are other CF groups located near by? 

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Testing

[Rick Faircloth]

Testing...

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Re: Testing

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks for the confirmation, Mike.

I'll keep working on the solution to why you didn't receive it
and I didn't receive your notice confirmation my message failure. :-D

Rick




On 5/18/2014 10:32 PM, Mike K wrote:
 Nope.  I never received it Rick.



 On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Rick Faircloth
 r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 Testing...


 

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RE: HMail server

[Rick Sanders]

We use mailenable for our regular email services.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders, CEO

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-Original Message-
From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 12:38 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: HMail server


   Which email server do you guys use?


 
  I mention it here becuase it is one of the common mail servers to 
  use for cf.
 
 
It is? I have never heard of hmail until about 2 minutes ago.


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Re: cfajaxproxy problem

[Rick Mason]

Pete,

Also take a look at AngularJS.  For me they've taken a CF centric approach
to JavaScript that I just understand easier.

By CF centric I mean that with most JS frameworks you have to tell the DOM
what to do and how to do it.  With AngularJS you tell it what you want to
do and it figures out on its own how to do it.


Rick


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Bryan Stevenson 
br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote:


 So simple and easy the website just says Dynamic at the moment ;-)

 I'll put forward AJAX via jQuery

 Cheers

 *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm.
 President  CEO
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM)
 phone: 250.480.0642
 cell: 250.920.8830
 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:
 br...@electricedgesystems.com
 web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com
 and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com


 

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WordPress to ColdFusion

[Rick Eidson]

So I have a client that is in a WordPress Site but we are moving to a
customized site using ColdFusion.

 

I am going to use the database that WP used.

 

So my problem.

 

The br tag. WordPress's editor will remove the BR tag and it doesn't store
it in the database.  Now I have done some research to find out how to stop
WP from doing this. BUT  there are over 2000 post and like I said. we are
moving to CF.

 

What I do not understand is when the post is output to the WP site and you
look at the source the BR tags are there. They aren't in the database. So
obviously they aren't in CF Output either. 

 

I do not see any replaced ascii or other in it's place. Somehow it seems the
WP knows where the BR tag is supposed to be even though it isn't in the
database.

 

Is this confusing? 

 

 

 

Rick



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RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail

[Rick Sanders]

I come from the days of Everyware and Pervasive using the Tango technology. 
Same idea as CF being a tag-based language with an application server. 
Tag-based is easier to learn and has many benefits.
When Macromedia bought CF, it was a God-send to integrate CF and Dreamweaver 
together without having to use Homesite or the bulky Allaire CF editor. 
Unfortunately, Macromedia bombed when it came to marketing Cold Fusion. 
Remember Ultradev? Macromedia's response to a WYSIWYG java, html, database 
application which was supposed to replace Dreamweaver? Macromedia focused too 
much on Ultradev and ignored the much needed CF marketing.

Fast forward to Adobe (The document and printing solutions company) with 
failing web products to buy Macromedia. Like everyone, I was hoping for a 
re-brand of CF. Nothing happened. They never marketed it. At a trade show in 
New York (Internet World) I went to the Adobe booth. No one wanted to talk 
about CF, and there was one brochure with a paragraph mentioning CF that's it.
Adobe came out with Cold Fusion Builder which is sort of nifty, but not nearly 
as good as Dreamweaver for building CF websites. Now Adobe is pushing their 
Creative Cloud (copying Office 365 are we?) which I would never use because of 
the continuous hacks to Adobe's servers and private information breaches.

So what are the alternatives? PhP. Not secure, messy code, can't load 
balance between multiple servers unless you BUY an app server for it. Most PhP 
hosters throw the web server, database server and email server on the same box 
and call it a day. I programmed PhP code for a year and will never do it again. 
The problems with hacking, SQL injection attacks, URL hacks etc... take up time 
to fix at the developer's expense. PhP, Linux, MYSQL, Cpanel, Wordpress Joomla 
and many others are free. You get what you pay for. A proper coded CF site 
won't get hacked if the code is well written and the server is configured 
properly.

There's ASP.net but personally I don't want to program something for 3 months 
in .NET that takes 3 weeks in CF. Plus Microsoft changes things around way too 
much, and Visual Studio is stupid expensive. Sure there's Expression web (does 
anyone really use it?) and some plugins for Dreamweaver. There's Dot Net Nuke 
if you have lots of time on your hands too. Most of my clients don't want to 
wait. And .NET developers are the snobs of the development community expecting 
high hourly rates. Content Management Server was a nice touch if you had deep 
pockets and lots of staff to maintain multiple servers but Microsoft did away 
with that too.

Is CF dying? It is dying a slow death in my opinion. Adobe has dropped the ball 
with marketing. Heck, they don't even use it on their own site! PhP is the 
internet king for programming, and Wordpress is keeping developers making 
thousands of plugins for it. In the technical colleges and universities they 
teach PhP, Java, and .NET. New developers aren't even exposed to CF anymore. 
When you say Adobe, the first 2 things that come to mind are PDF and 
Photoshop.

I'll continue to use CF for as long as I can, then just leave the web 
development game since the only player is PhP and I don't have the time nor 
desire to get into that technology.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
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-Original Message-
From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:32 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail


On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some 
 other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not 
 describe an awful lot of CFML code out there.
 
 That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side 
 is probably the worst strategic move they ever made.

Agree, now.  I think at that moment in webdev history, it served a purpose, 
which was ease of entry in to development.  Now, it's a liability, seems 
antiquated, and is unnecessarily verbose - especially if you are coming from a 
different programming language.  I do like wrapping an entire content block 
with cfoutput and just double escaping the pound symbols, as necessary, 
compared to having to deal with ?php echo $variable? or PHP short tags ?= 
$variables ?.   I haven't written a tag-based component in a long while 
though, as I can build something out faster in script - especially when I'm 
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Twitter feed

[Rick Sanders]

Hey guys n' gals!

I want to put a Twitter live feed on a CF site like Wordpress. Is there 
anything like that already out there or do I need to code it from scratch?

If I need to code it, has anyone done it? Is it difficult? Thanks!

Kind Regards,

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RE: Twitter feed

[Rick Sanders]

Thanks Russ! That's exactly what I want! Control!

Kind Regards,

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-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:11 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Twitter feed


this is what you want
http://monkehtweet.riaforge.org/


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Rob Parkhill robert.parkh...@gmail.comwrote:


 Why not just use what Twitter provides? dev.twitter.com

 You can embed a bunch of stuff straight from Twitter, no muss, no fuss.


 On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Rick Sanders r...@webenergy.ca wrote:

 
  Hey guys n' gals!
 
  I want to put a Twitter live feed on a CF site like Wordpress. Is 
  there anything like that already out there or do I need to code it 
  from
 scratch?
 
  If I need to code it, has anyone done it? Is it difficult? Thanks!
 
  Kind Regards,
 
  Rick Sanders
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hmmm...

I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get the
correct
output in console.log,  [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the error in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.

I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still get the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.

So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.

Suggestions on what to do now? Something else on the client side with
jQuery/JS
or something on the method side with CF?

Thanks for any feedback!

Rick






On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
 
 
  It shows [ 27, 28, 26 ] in the console.
 
  I guess I can just pass that through and have a cfargument type of list
  and parse those ID's with a cfloop to assign them to individual
  cfarguments.
 
  Or does a cfargument type of list handle the ID's without having to
  break down the list into individual arguments?
 
 
 Not exactly. You can't pass complex variables like that via HTTP. It has to
 be serialized first. I believe jQuery will do that for you- but I'd
 probably do it myself - ie, somearray.join(,).




 
  On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com
  wrote:


 

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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Here's the client-side code:

$(document).ready(function() {

  $('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {

  var emailNewsletterGreeting = $('#email_newsletter_greeting').val();

  var specialIDList = [];

  $('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function() {

  var specialID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
  specialIDList = specialID.join(', ');

  });

  console.log(specialIDList);

  values =  { emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
  specialIDList:  specialIDList }


  $.ajax({  cache:false,
  type:  'post',

'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
  data:  values,
  success:function(response) {

  alert('Success!');

  }
  });

  });

});

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Hmmm...
 
  I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get the
  correct
  output in console.log,  [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the error in
  Firebug,
  500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
 



 
  I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still get
 the
  same
  output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same
 error
  in Firebug,
  500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
 

 Ok, so you passed specialidlist, right? Can you show us your latest code?


 
  So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in the
  form
  above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
 

 Remember, we are sending the data over the wire as a string. So your
 argument should be string.

 But for now, let's see your client side code again please.


 

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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, Steve...

I just gave that a try, but still get an error in Firebug:
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS

Also, in the console, I still get what appears to be the same when I use
console.log(specialIDLlist):
[ 27, 28, 26 ].

Perhaps something is missing on the cfc method side? Here's that code:

cffunction name   = mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
  displayName=  mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
  hint  =  Processes Email Newsletter Form
  output  =  true
  access =  remote
  returnType= struct 

  cfargument name = emailNewsletterGreeting type = string required =
no /
  cfargument name = specialIDList  type = string required
= no /

  cfset emailNewsletterStruct = structNew() /

  cfset emailNewsletterStruct.EMAILNEWSLETTERGREETING =
'#arguments.emailNewsletterGreeting#'
/
  cfset emailNewsletterStruct.SPECIALIDLIST = '#arguments.specialIDList#'
/

  cfreturn emailNewsletterStruct /

/cffunction


???




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steve Milburn scmilb...@gmail.com wrote:


 Inside your .each loop you want to push specialID to your array like so:
 specialIDList.push (specialID). Afterwards when you are preparing your
 values object to be sent to the server you do specialIDList.join to put
 them into a string.
 On Jan 16, 2014 12:32 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Here's the client-side code:
 
  $(document).ready(function() {
 
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
 
var emailNewsletterGreeting = $('#email_newsletter_greeting').val();
 
var specialIDList = [];
 
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function() {
 
var specialID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
specialIDList = specialID.join(', ');
 
});
 
console.log(specialIDList);
 
values =  { emailNewsletterGreeting:
 emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialIDList:  specialIDList }
 
 
$.ajax({  cache:false,
type:  'post',
 
 
 
 'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data:  values,
success:function(response) {
 
alert('Success!');
 
}
});
 
});
 
  });
 
  On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Raymond Camden 
 raymondcam...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Faircloth 
  r...@whitestonemedia.com
   wrote:
  
   
Hmmm...
   
I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get
 the
correct
output in console.log,  [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the
 error
  in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
   
  
  
  
   
I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still
 get
   the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same
   error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
   
  
   Ok, so you passed specialidlist, right? Can you show us your latest
 code?
  
  
   
So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in
  the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
   
  
   Remember, we are sending the data over the wire as a string. So your
   argument should be string.
  
   But for now, let's see your client side code again please.
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hold the horses!

I changed the join from:

specialIDList.join();

to:

var specialIDList = specialIDList.join();

and it worked!

I think the var, specialIDList, was not available to the ajax function
since it was being recreated
in the .each loop.

So, now do I have to loop over the multiple variables in specialIDList on
the server side with CF
in order to break the string into individual arguments?




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 Hi, Steve...

 I just gave that a try, but still get an error in Firebug:
 500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS

 Also, in the console, I still get what appears to be the same when I use
 console.log(specialIDLlist):
 [ 27, 28, 26 ].

 Perhaps something is missing on the cfc method side? Here's that code:

 cffunction name   = mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
   displayName=  mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
   hint  =  Processes Email Newsletter Form
   output  =  true
   access =  remote
   returnType= struct 

   cfargument name = emailNewsletterGreeting type = string required =
 no /
   cfargument name = specialIDList  type = string required
 = no /

   cfset emailNewsletterStruct = structNew() /

   cfset emailNewsletterStruct.EMAILNEWSLETTERGREETING = 
 '#arguments.emailNewsletterGreeting#'
 /
   cfset emailNewsletterStruct.SPECIALIDLIST = '#arguments.specialIDList#'
 /

   cfreturn emailNewsletterStruct /

 /cffunction


 ???




 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steve Milburn scmilb...@gmail.comwrote:


 Inside your .each loop you want to push specialID to your array like so:
 specialIDList.push (specialID). Afterwards when you are preparing your
 values object to be sent to the server you do specialIDList.join to put
 them into a string.
 On Jan 16, 2014 12:32 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Here's the client-side code:
 
  $(document).ready(function() {
 
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
 
var emailNewsletterGreeting = $('#email_newsletter_greeting').val();
 
var specialIDList = [];
 
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function() {
 
var specialID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
specialIDList = specialID.join(', ');
 
});
 
console.log(specialIDList);
 
values =  { emailNewsletterGreeting:
 emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialIDList:  specialIDList
 }
 
 
$.ajax({  cache:false,
type:  'post',
 
 
 
 'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data:  values,
success:function(response) {
 
alert('Success!');
 
}
});
 
});
 
  });
 
  On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Raymond Camden 
 raymondcam...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Faircloth 
  r...@whitestonemedia.com
   wrote:
  
   
Hmmm...
   
I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get
 the
correct
output in console.log,  [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the
 error
  in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
   
  
  
  
   
I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still
 get
   the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same
   error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
   
  
   Ok, so you passed specialidlist, right? Can you show us your latest
 code?
  
  
   
So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in
  the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
   
  
   Remember, we are sending the data over the wire as a string. So your
   argument should be string.
  
   But for now, let's see your client side code again please.
  
  
  
 
 

 

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How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, all...

I've approached this problem from every direction I can think of and with
reference to many, many websites, but I still can put together an answer.

I have this HTML in a form:

  cfoutput query = qGetSpecials

  div class=special_title_container
  span class=title_checkbox_span
  input id=special_id_#special_id# class=special_title_checkbox
value=#special_title# type=checkbox name=special_title
  /span
  span class=special_title_span#special_title#/span
  /div

  /cfoutput

Which is output into this:

input id=special_id_26 class=special_title_checkbox value=First
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_27 class=special_title_checkbox value=Second
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_28 class=special_title_checkbox value=Third
Special type=checkbox name=special_title

This jQuery processing the inputs:

$(document).ready(function() {

  $('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {

  var specialTitleID = $('.special_title_checkbox:checked');

  $('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {

  var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
  var specialTitleID = 'specialTitle_'+specialTitleID;

  alert(specialTitleID); --- [ this alerts the three input values, 26, 27,
28, individually when form is submitted ]

  });

  values =  {   emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
  specialTitleID: specialTitleID}

  (Followed by AJAX code...)

And this cfc method:

  cffunction name   = mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
  displayName=  mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
hint  =  Processes Email Newsletter Form
  output  =  true
  access =  remote
  returnType=  struct 

  cfargument name = emailNewsletterGreeting type = string
  required = no /
  cfargument name = specialTitleID type =
string  required
= no /

  cfset emailNewsletterStruct = structNew() /

  cfset emailNewsletterStruct.email_newsletter_greeting =
'#arguments.email_newsletter_greeting#'
/
  cfset emailNewsletterStruct.specialTitleID   =
'#arguments.specialTitleID#'
/

cfreturn emailNewsletterStruct /

 /cffunction

But, the cffunction above doesn't know what to do with the value,
specialTitleID, when it's received.
Or, rather, I don't know how to change it in the jQuery code or the
cffunction code so that each
specialTitleID can be separted into individual cfarguments.

I've tried specifying cfargument name=specialTitleID as type=array,
type=list, type=string,
but I get a JS error in Firebug no matter what I try. I'm sure it's simple,
I just haven't handled
a multi-valued variable going via AJAX to a cfc method before. (or that I
remember...).

Suggestions, anyone?

Thanks,

Rick

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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hey, Ray, and thanks for the reply...

Here's the ajax part...

$.ajax ({ cache:  false,
  type:'post',
  url:
  'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
  data:values,
  success:  function(result) {

  alert('Success!');

  }


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:


 Why didn't yo post the AJAX code? Isn't that crucial for getting the values
 to your CFC? We need to see that.


 On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Hi, all...
 
  I've approached this problem from every direction I can think of and with
  reference to many, many websites, but I still can put together an answer.
 
  I have this HTML in a form:
 
cfoutput query = qGetSpecials
 
div class=special_title_container
span class=title_checkbox_span
input id=special_id_#special_id# class=special_title_checkbox
  value=#special_title# type=checkbox name=special_title
/span
span class=special_title_span#special_title#/span
/div
 
/cfoutput
 
  Which is output into this:
 
  input id=special_id_26 class=special_title_checkbox value=First
  Special type=checkbox name=special_title
  input id=special_id_27 class=special_title_checkbox value=Second
  Special type=checkbox name=special_title
  input id=special_id_28 class=special_title_checkbox value=Third
  Special type=checkbox name=special_title
 
  This jQuery processing the inputs:
 
  $(document).ready(function() {
 
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
 
var specialTitleID = $('.special_title_checkbox:checked');
 
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {
 
var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
var specialTitleID = 'specialTitle_'+specialTitleID;
 
alert(specialTitleID); --- [ this alerts the three input values, 26,
 27,
  28, individually when form is submitted ]
 
});
 
values =  {   emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialTitleID: specialTitleID}
 
(Followed by AJAX code...)
 
 
 
 
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

I set emailNewsletterGreeting earlier. It's a value from a single DOM
element,
so no problem with that.

And I was tinkering with code prior to the ajax code, so I was changing
variable
names halting the processing before ajax kicked in.

Your array idea sounds good.

I also tried this:

var specialIDList = [];

$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {

  var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
  specialIDList.push(specialTitleID);

});

console.log(specialIDList);

and was able to see the list in Firebug.

It shows [ 27, 28, 26 ] in the console.

I guess I can just pass that through and have a cfargument type of list
and parse those ID's with a cfloop to assign them to individual cfarguments.

Or does a cfargument type of list handle the ID's without having to
break down the list into individual arguments?


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:


 So values is this:

   values =  {   emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
   specialTitleID: specialTitleID}

 I see you set specialTitleID. But you had it in loop. You probably wanted
 to make that an array. If the values are IDs though you could use an array
 and convert it to a list. So assuming you fixed it and specialTitleID was
 an array, you could do:

 specialTitleList = specialTitleID.join(,);

 Not sure where you set emailNewsletterGretting.

 You then want to use Chrome Dev Tools and look at the network request and
 see how the value is being passed in.


 On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Hey, Ray, and thanks for the reply...
 
  Here's the ajax part...
 
  $.ajax ({ cache:  false,
type:'post',
url:
 
 
 'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data:values,
success:  function(result) {
 
alert('Success!');
 
}
 
 
  On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Why didn't yo post the AJAX code? Isn't that crucial for getting the
  values
   to your CFC? We need to see that.
  
  
   On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Rick Faircloth 
  r...@whitestonemedia.com
   wrote:
  
   
Hi, all...
   
I've approached this problem from every direction I can think of and
  with
reference to many, many websites, but I still can put together an
  answer.
   
I have this HTML in a form:
   
  cfoutput query = qGetSpecials
   
  div class=special_title_container
  span class=title_checkbox_span
  input id=special_id_#special_id# class=special_title_checkbox
value=#special_title# type=checkbox name=special_title
  /span
  span class=special_title_span#special_title#/span
  /div
   
  /cfoutput
   
Which is output into this:
   
input id=special_id_26 class=special_title_checkbox value=First
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_27 class=special_title_checkbox
 value=Second
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_28 class=special_title_checkbox value=Third
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
   
This jQuery processing the inputs:
   
$(document).ready(function() {
   
  $('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
   
  var specialTitleID = $('.special_title_checkbox:checked');
   
  $('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {
   
  var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
  var specialTitleID = 'specialTitle_'+specialTitleID;
   
  alert(specialTitleID); --- [ this alerts the three input values,
 26,
   27,
28, individually when form is submitted ]
   
  });
   
  values =  {   emailNewsletterGreeting:
  emailNewsletterGreeting,
  specialTitleID: specialTitleID}
   
  (Followed by AJAX code...)
   
   
   
   
--
   
   
  
 
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reputation.  Henry Kissinger
   
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks for the tip, Jon! I'll have to check out those Chrome Dev Tools!

Rick


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Jon Clausen
jon_clau...@silowebworks.comwrote:


 I like Postman because I can manually test  web services, including HTTP
 verbs and enter form and URL variables against services to test responses
 and error handling in a variety of formats. It also has tabs that parse
 your return data, like the network tab does, but in a better format.  It's
 better at functional testing web services, IMHO, than posting AJAX calls
 repeatedly in page.



 [Note: Typo assistance courtesy of iPhone]

  On Jan 15, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  How is that better than the Network tab itself?
 
 
  On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Jon Clausen
  jon_clau...@silowebworks.comwrote:
 
 
  On a related note, the Postman extension for Chrome is great for testing
  what your remote CFC's are doing with form variables.
 
  On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Jon Clausen 
 jon_clau...@silowebworks.com
  wrote:
 
 
  I would set your argument type as a list and then validate,loop and
  process the list in your CFC method.  If so you’ll need to change your
  each() loop to append the variables in to the list and then post the
 string
  in your $.post() request.
 
  HTH,
  Jon
 
 

 

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RE: Hosting... Again

[Rick Eidson]

I am a reseller for Hostek... Been on them for years...every since my T1
became obsolete and I had to outsource my hosting... Never any real problems
and they are very good at keeping you informed.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:22 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Hosting... Again


Hi All,

I've got a lot of large CF sites I have to move because my host is not up to
what we've grown to be.  Love the guy and been with him for years, but now I
have to go.

I've asked this before (in October), but now that I'm no longer in denial
I'm looking for CF hosting recommendations again.  I have the previous
recommendations which I'm listing below.

If anyone has comments about any of the hosts below, or better
recommendations, please provide your feedback.  I'm about to move a boatload
of serous sites. 

So far, I've gotten recommendations for:
Hostek
Viviotech
CrystalTech
http://www.kickassvps.com/
Please let me know if you have additional recommendations or feedback on
these hosts.

Thanks,
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RE: Hosting

[Rick Faircloth]

Ditto...

I had a VPS with them for a few years, then moved
to a VDS (Virtual Dedicated Server) about a year ago.

Support couldn't be better and they're a great group.
I've had almost no problems with the service for the
entire time I've been with them. And any issues were
promptly addressed.

And, no, I make no money for my promotion.

Rick

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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Hosting


Ive been truly blessed by Kickassvps 
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Cold Fusion source code stolen from Adobe in Cyber attack

[Rick Sanders]

Not sure if you guys heard about this yet:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/adobe-customer-data-stolen-in-cyberattack-1.1912301

The hackers took source code for Adobe Acrobat, which is used to create 
electronic documents in the PDF format, as well as ColdFusion and ColdFusion 
Builder, used to create internet applications, Adobe said

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
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Re: Distributed Caching with TerraCotta

[Rick Root]

I am still struggling with this issue.  No help from anywhere :(


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 A little over a year ago, I went through a process setting up terracotta
 caching server for an application that is using cf clustering.. three
 instances of coldfusion powering the application, and I wanted to be able
 to efficiently cache data between instances.
 This worked really well, but now I'm more or less disassocaited with the
 company and they've asked me to set up TerraCotta again on their new
 server, which is running Coldfusion 10.

 Things are different, of course, but much the same

 Here's what I've done.  I installed the latest version of TerraCotta open
 source (3.7.5) which comes with a newer version of ehcache.

 I copied all these jar files into each instances libf older and renamed
 any older versions with a .old extension

 ehcache-core-2.6.6.jar
 ehcache-terracotta-2.6.6.jar
 slf4j-api-1.6.1.jar
 slf4j-jdk14-1.6.1.jar
 slf4j-log4j12-1.6.1.jar
 terracotta-toolkit-1.6-runtime-5.5.0.jar

 Then modified the ehcache.xml as follows:

 I added this line above my defaultcache:

 terracottaConfig url=http://localhost:9510; rejoin=true /

 I added this section BELOW my defaultCache, which essentially adds a new
 cache region named distributedCache

 cache
 name=distributedCache
  maxElementsInMemory=1
 eternal=false
 timeToIdleSeconds=86400
  timeToLiveSeconds=86400
 overflowToDisk=false
 diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
  maxElementsOnDisk=1000
 diskPersistent=false
 diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
  memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
 clearOnFlush=true
 terracotta clustered=true 
  nonstop immediateTimeout=true
 timeoutBehavior type=noop /
  /nonstop
 /terracotta
 /cache

 Now that I've done all this, I did some testing with a cf page that looks
 like this... if the request is made on instance 2, put something in the
 cache, then retrieve it and display it.  If it's on another instance, just
 retrieve the value and display it.

 cache
 name=distributedCache
 maxElementsInMemory=1
  eternal=false
 timeToIdleSeconds=86400
 timeToLiveSeconds=86400
  overflowToDisk=false
 diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
 maxElementsOnDisk=1000
  diskPersistent=false
 diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
 memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
  clearOnFlush=true
 terracotta clustered=true 
 nonstop immediateTimeout=true
  timeoutBehavior type=noop /
 /nonstop
 /terracotta
 /cache


 This doesn't fail, but it doesn't appear to be using the terracotta
 server, because the item is not available on the other instances.

 I don't know where to go from here.

 As always, your combined help is appreciated!

 Rick Root

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Re: Distributed Caching with TerraCotta

[Rick Root]

It can be, yes.  But this is open source terra cotta server.


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 Terracota at this level is a paid for product right? Should be some level
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Re: Distributed Caching with TerraCotta

[Rick Root]

Ping... anybody?

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 A little over a year ago, I went through a process setting up terracotta
 caching server for an application that is using cf clustering.. three
 instances of coldfusion powering the application, and I wanted to be able
 to efficiently cache data between instances.
 This worked really well, but now I'm more or less disassocaited with the
 company and they've asked me to set up TerraCotta again on their new
 server, which is running Coldfusion 10.

 Things are different, of course, but much the same

 Here's what I've done.  I installed the latest version of TerraCotta open
 source (3.7.5) which comes with a newer version of ehcache.

 I copied all these jar files into each instances libf older and renamed
 any older versions with a .old extension

 ehcache-core-2.6.6.jar
 ehcache-terracotta-2.6.6.jar
 slf4j-api-1.6.1.jar
 slf4j-jdk14-1.6.1.jar
 slf4j-log4j12-1.6.1.jar
 terracotta-toolkit-1.6-runtime-5.5.0.jar

 Then modified the ehcache.xml as follows:

 I added this line above my defaultcache:

 terracottaConfig url=localhost:9510 rejoin=true /

 I added this section BELOW my defaultCache, which essentially adds a new
 cache region named distributedCache

 cache
 name=distributedCache
  maxElementsInMemory=1
 eternal=false
 timeToIdleSeconds=86400
  timeToLiveSeconds=86400
 overflowToDisk=false
 diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
  maxElementsOnDisk=1000
 diskPersistent=false
 diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
  memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
 clearOnFlush=true
 terracotta clustered=true 
  nonstop immediateTimeout=true
 timeoutBehavior type=noop /
  /nonstop
 /terracotta
 /cache

 Now that I've done all this, I did some testing with a cf page that looks
 like this... if the request is made on instance 2, put something in the
 cache, then retrieve it and display it.  If it's on another instance, just
 retrieve the value and display it.

 cache
 name=distributedCache
 maxElementsInMemory=1
  eternal=false
 timeToIdleSeconds=86400
 timeToLiveSeconds=86400
  overflowToDisk=false
 diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
 maxElementsOnDisk=1000
  diskPersistent=false
 diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
 memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
  clearOnFlush=true
 terracotta clustered=true 
 nonstop immediateTimeout=true
  timeoutBehavior type=noop /
 /nonstop
 /terracotta
 /cache


 This doesn't fail, but it doesn't appear to be using the terracotta
 server, because the item is not available on the other instances.

 I don't know where to go from here.

 As always, your combined help is appreciated!

 Rick Root

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Re: Distributed Caching with TerraCotta

[Rick Root]

Hah, thanks yeah I already sent him email, no response yet, but he's
offered input on my terra cotta issues in the past.

On Tuesday, September 17, 2013, Alan Rother wrote:


 Try contacting Rob Brooks-Bilson, he's the ehcache expert in CF

 http://rob.brooks-bilson.com/

 (Also a super nice guy)

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Distributed Caching with TerraCotta

[Rick Root]

Hi,

A little over a year ago, I went through a process setting up terracotta
caching server for an application that is using cf clustering.. three
instances of coldfusion powering the application, and I wanted to be able
to efficiently cache data between instances.
This worked really well, but now I'm more or less disassocaited with the
company and they've asked me to set up TerraCotta again on their new
server, which is running Coldfusion 10.

Things are different, of course, but much the same

Here's what I've done.  I installed the latest version of TerraCotta open
source (3.7.5) which comes with a newer version of ehcache.

I copied all these jar files into each instances libf older and renamed any
older versions with a .old extension

ehcache-core-2.6.6.jar
ehcache-terracotta-2.6.6.jar
slf4j-api-1.6.1.jar
slf4j-jdk14-1.6.1.jar
slf4j-log4j12-1.6.1.jar
terracotta-toolkit-1.6-runtime-5.5.0.jar

Then modified the ehcache.xml as follows:

I added this line above my defaultcache:

terracottaConfig url=http://localhost:9510; rejoin=true /

I added this section BELOW my defaultCache, which essentially adds a new
cache region named distributedCache

cache
name=distributedCache
maxElementsInMemory=1
eternal=false
timeToIdleSeconds=86400
timeToLiveSeconds=86400
overflowToDisk=false
diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
maxElementsOnDisk=1000
diskPersistent=false
diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
clearOnFlush=true
terracotta clustered=true 
nonstop immediateTimeout=true
timeoutBehavior type=noop /
/nonstop
/terracotta
/cache

Now that I've done all this, I did some testing with a cf page that looks
like this... if the request is made on instance 2, put something in the
cache, then retrieve it and display it.  If it's on another instance, just
retrieve the value and display it.

cache
name=distributedCache
maxElementsInMemory=1
eternal=false
timeToIdleSeconds=86400
timeToLiveSeconds=86400
overflowToDisk=false
diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
maxElementsOnDisk=1000
diskPersistent=false
diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
clearOnFlush=true
terracotta clustered=true 
nonstop immediateTimeout=true
timeoutBehavior type=noop /
/nonstop
/terracotta
/cache


This doesn't fail, but it doesn't appear to be using the terracotta server,
because the item is not available on the other instances.

I don't know where to go from here.

As always, your combined help is appreciated!

Rick Root

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Re: Distributed Caching with TerraCotta

[Rick Root]

Oh, I've also done the terracottaconfig line as such, without the http://,
which I think was incorrect.  Same result though.

terracottaConfig url=localhost:9510 rejoin=true /



On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 A little over a year ago, I went through a process setting up terracotta
 caching server for an application that is using cf clustering.. three
 instances of coldfusion powering the application, and I wanted to be able
 to efficiently cache data between instances.
 This worked really well, but now I'm more or less disassocaited with the
 company and they've asked me to set up TerraCotta again on their new
 server, which is running Coldfusion 10.

 Things are different, of course, but much the same

 Here's what I've done.  I installed the latest version of TerraCotta open
 source (3.7.5) which comes with a newer version of ehcache.

 I copied all these jar files into each instances libf older and renamed
 any older versions with a .old extension

 ehcache-core-2.6.6.jar
 ehcache-terracotta-2.6.6.jar
 slf4j-api-1.6.1.jar
 slf4j-jdk14-1.6.1.jar
 slf4j-log4j12-1.6.1.jar
 terracotta-toolkit-1.6-runtime-5.5.0.jar

 Then modified the ehcache.xml as follows:

 I added this line above my defaultcache:

 terracottaConfig url=http://localhost:9510; rejoin=true /

 I added this section BELOW my defaultCache, which essentially adds a new
 cache region named distributedCache

 cache
 name=distributedCache
  maxElementsInMemory=1
 eternal=false
 timeToIdleSeconds=86400
  timeToLiveSeconds=86400
 overflowToDisk=false
 diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
  maxElementsOnDisk=1000
 diskPersistent=false
 diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
  memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
 clearOnFlush=true
 terracotta clustered=true 
  nonstop immediateTimeout=true
 timeoutBehavior type=noop /
  /nonstop
 /terracotta
 /cache

 Now that I've done all this, I did some testing with a cf page that looks
 like this... if the request is made on instance 2, put something in the
 cache, then retrieve it and display it.  If it's on another instance, just
 retrieve the value and display it.

 cache
 name=distributedCache
 maxElementsInMemory=1
  eternal=false
 timeToIdleSeconds=86400
 timeToLiveSeconds=86400
  overflowToDisk=false
 diskSpoolBufferSizeMB=30
 maxElementsOnDisk=1000
  diskPersistent=false
 diskExpiryThreadIntervalSeconds=3600
 memoryStoreEvictionPolicy=LRU
  clearOnFlush=true
 terracotta clustered=true 
 nonstop immediateTimeout=true
  timeoutBehavior type=noop /
 /nonstop
 /terracotta
 /cache


 This doesn't fail, but it doesn't appear to be using the terracotta
 server, because the item is not available on the other instances.

 I don't know where to go from here.

 As always, your combined help is appreciated!

 Rick Root

 --
 *The beatings will continue until morale improves.*




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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks for the info, Cutter...

Are you currently using LESS? If so, what are your thoughts
about its usefulness?



-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:19 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


You compile LESS down to css files, you don't serve it up to the browser.

I like cfstatic for asset management. It can also compile LESS on the fly.

Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

http://cutterscrossing.com


Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
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The best way to predict the future is to help create it

On 9/7/2013 1:53 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less
 and then set that type to text/css.

 In other words:

 Extention: less
 Mime Type: text/css

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


 Hi, all...

 Anyone using LESS with their CSS?

 I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS,
 but I'm not quite getting it to work.

 I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files,
 but I'm missing something, because the variables don't
 affect the output.

 Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF?

 Thanks for the guidance!

 Rick




 



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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

I'm just now looking seriously into LESS and its usage.
So far, I've really only looked at its use of variables.

As far as variables are concerned, I don't see much difference
between using variables and classes.

I can define, say, a class this way in CSS:

.titleColor { color: blue }

and use it this way: p class=titleColor

or define this way with LESS:

@titleColor { color: blue }

.titleColor { color: @titleColor }

and use it this way: p class=titleColor

Seems like LESS is more in this case and of
insignificant benefit.

Am I missing the point and best use of variables?

Thanks for the feedback!

Rick




-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:58 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


As a heavy Bootstrap user, I use LESS constantly. Once you really dig 
in, you find out quickly just how useful it truly is. Tech like LESS and 
SASS are perfect for those creating skinned applications.

Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

http://cutterscrossing.com


Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book

The best way to predict the future is to help create it

On 9/10/2013 6:34 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Thanks for the info, Cutter...

 Are you currently using LESS? If so, what are your thoughts
 about its usefulness?



 -Original Message-
 From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:19 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


 You compile LESS down to css files, you don't serve it up to the browser.

 I like cfstatic for asset management. It can also compile LESS on the fly.

 Steve 'Cutter' Blades
 Adobe Community Professional
 Adobe Certified Expert
 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 
 http://cutterscrossing.com


 Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book

 The best way to predict the future is to help create it

 On 9/7/2013 1:53 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less
 and then set that type to text/css.

 In other words:

 Extention: less
 Mime Type: text/css

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


 Hi, all...

 Anyone using LESS with their CSS?

 I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS,
 but I'm not quite getting it to work.

 I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files,
 but I'm missing something, because the variables don't
 affect the output.

 Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF?

 Thanks for the guidance!

 Rick







 



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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

How would you perform CSS pre-processing with CF?


-Original Message-
From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com 
[mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans
schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:57 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


Apparently, this looks like a CSS prepocessor.
But I do not see anything that cannot be done with CF.
So what is the advantage of using yet another technology?




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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Cutter...

I read the article you referenced and it did clarify some things,
but, being an overview of many different approaches and frameworks
to utilizing CSS, it opened up a large can of worms!

I'm going to check out the BEM approach, first, just as a starting point.

Re: your comments

Variables seem to be the same as a class, to me. I can set a variable
in one place in LESS and change the CSS by changing the variable. But
the exact same effect seems to take place if I create a class, assign
it to elements, then change the class. In that limited usage, a variable
seems no different than a class. One change, many affected elements.

I'll have to study more to understand your comment about
variables and conditions, especially the conditions part. I don't
think I've read about conditions, yet.

But one question I need clarification concerning: if I don't use LESS,
and work with a naming convention, such as BEM, can a pre-processor
still be used with that to compile several stylesheets into a single
stylesheet? Or do pre-processors work with only certains frameworks,
like LESS or SASS?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


Variables are on small advantage. It's nice to be able to set a variable 
for a color, for instance, and reuse it in several hundred locations, in 
a variety of scenarios, without having to apply a separate class to 
thousands of lines of code throughout an application. If the color 
changes, the variable changes, it updates all of the other style 
declarations automatically, BAM!

Mixins are where the power truly shines through. The ability to write 
little functions, to dynamically create declarations based upon 
variables and conditions. That's very powerful.

Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

http://cutterscrossing.com


Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book

The best way to predict the future is to help create it

On 9/10/2013 7:58 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 I'm just now looking seriously into LESS and its usage.
 So far, I've really only looked at its use of variables.

 As far as variables are concerned, I don't see much difference
 between using variables and classes.

 I can define, say, a class this way in CSS:

 .titleColor { color: blue }

 and use it this way: p class=titleColor

 or define this way with LESS:

 @titleColor { color: blue }

 .titleColor { color: @titleColor }

 and use it this way: p class=titleColor

 Seems like LESS is more in this case and of
 insignificant benefit.

 Am I missing the point and best use of variables?

 Thanks for the feedback!

 Rick




 -Original Message-
 From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:58 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


 As a heavy Bootstrap user, I use LESS constantly. Once you really dig
 in, you find out quickly just how useful it truly is. Tech like LESS and
 SASS are perfect for those creating skinned applications.

 Steve 'Cutter' Blades
 Adobe Community Professional
 Adobe Certified Expert
 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 
 http://cutterscrossing.com


 Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book

 The best way to predict the future is to help create it

 On 9/10/2013 6:34 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Thanks for the info, Cutter...

 Are you currently using LESS? If so, what are your thoughts
 about its usefulness?



 -Original Message-
 From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
 Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:19 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


 You compile LESS down to css files, you don't serve it up to the browser.

 I like cfstatic for asset management. It can also compile LESS on the fly.

 Steve 'Cutter' Blades
 Adobe Community Professional
 Adobe Certified Expert
 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 
 http://cutterscrossing.com


 Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book

 The best way to predict the future is to help create it

 On 9/7/2013 1:53 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less
 and then set that type to text/css.

 In other words:

 Extention: less
 Mime Type: text/css

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject

Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, all...

Anyone using LESS with their CSS?

I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS,
but I'm not quite getting it to work.

I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files,
but I'm missing something, because the variables don't
affect the output.

Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF?

Thanks for the guidance!

Rick


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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less
and then set that type to text/css.

In other words:

Extention: less
Mime Type: text/css

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?


Hi, all...

Anyone using LESS with their CSS?

I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS,
but I'm not quite getting it to work.

I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files,
but I'm missing something, because the variables don't
affect the output.

Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF?

Thanks for the guidance!

Rick




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RE: cfmail Exchange 2010

[Rick Sanders]

Dave I want to thank you for your help. I resolved the issue.

Because my Exchange server and CF server are on different machines I had to 
create a new receive connector allowing relay from the IP address of my CF 
server. Out of the box, Exchange doesn't allow any relay from a remote machine.

Your note made me realize this and I was able to resolve it:
 That doesn't mean that any server can relay through your Exchange 
 server (I hope!). Typically, you have to enable relay for each 
 individual IP address that you want to allow.

Have a great weekend.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.ca



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:33 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: cfmail  Exchange 2010


 OK, this is weird. I can send fine to any email address from the 
 account I set up t...@mycompany.com mailto:t...@mycompany.com

 I'm doing a cfoutput query=emails and sending an email out to the 
 people in my query. The emails are valid.
 However, only the people on the local Exchange server receive them.
 Anyone outside doesn't get them. I tested with my gmail account and 
 I don't receive the email. But I get it on my exchange account. I 
 tested and can send to my gmail account from the 
 t...@mycompany.commailto:t...@mycompany.com directly no problems.

 My Cold Fusion server is on a different server than my Exchange 
 server. I've tested the mail settings in the Cold fusion admin and tried 
 with and without TLS and the settings are fine.

 By default, your Exchange server won't proxy SMTP messages. You have 
 to specifically configure it to do so. Messages to Exchange mailboxes on 
 that server don't need to be proxied, so they get delivered.

 Thanks for the info, but my Exchange server is set up to send to the 
 outside world. My send connector type is SMTP. I even tried relaying 
 through my ISP as a smart host and still no sending to outside addresses 
 from my Cold fusion Server.

 That doesn't mean that any server can relay through your Exchange 
 server (I hope!). Typically, you have to enable relay for each 
 individual IP address that you want to allow.

In any case, you can verify this easily enough yourself. Open a telnet 
connection to your Exchange server from your CF server's console, and try to 
send an email that way. Google smtp telnet for more information on how to do 
that.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and 
provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training 
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cfmail Exchange 2010

[Rick Sanders]

OK, this is weird. I can send fine to any email address from the account I set 
up t...@mycompany.commailto:t...@mycompany.com

I'm doing a cfoutput query=emails and sending an email out to the people in 
my query. The emails are valid.
However, only the people on the local Exchange server receive them. Anyone 
outside doesn't get them. I tested with my gmail account and I don't receive 
the email. But I get it on my exchange account. I tested and can send to my 
gmail account from the t...@mycompany.commailto:t...@mycompany.com directly 
no problems.

My Cold Fusion server is on a different server than my Exchange server. I've 
tested the mail settings in the Cold fusion admin and tried with and without 
TLS and the settings are fine.

Any help would be appreciated.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
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RE: cfmail Exchange 2010

[Rick Sanders]

Thanks for the info, but my Exchange server is set up to send to the outside 
world. My send connector type is SMTP. I even tried relaying through my ISP as 
a smart host and still no sending to outside addresses from my Cold fusion 
Server.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.ca



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:18 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: cfmail  Exchange 2010


 OK, this is weird. I can send fine to any email address from the 
 account I set up t...@mycompany.com mailto:t...@mycompany.com

 I'm doing a cfoutput query=emails and sending an email out to the people 
 in my query. The emails are valid.
 However, only the people on the local Exchange server receive them. 
 Anyone outside doesn't get them. I tested with my gmail account and I 
 don't receive the email. But I get it on my exchange account. I tested and 
 can send to my gmail account from the 
 t...@mycompany.commailto:t...@mycompany.com directly no problems.

 My Cold Fusion server is on a different server than my Exchange 
 server. I've tested the mail settings in the Cold fusion admin and tried with 
 and without TLS and the settings are fine.

By default, your Exchange server won't proxy SMTP messages. You have to 
specifically configure it to do so. Messages to Exchange mailboxes on that 
server don't need to be proxied, so they get delivered.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and 
provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training 
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Syntax is driving me nuts!

[Rick Sanders]

Hey guys,

I'm trying to add multiple items to a database based on if a check box is 
checked.

This code works fine:
cfif IsNumeric(#form['qty_'  upd]#)

But I want to make sure the box is checked or not. When I do this:
cfif IsDefined(#form['rel_'  ar]#)
I get: Element rel_1 is undefined in a Java object of type class 
coldfusion.filter.FormScope.

If I do this:
cfif IsDefined(form['rel_'  ar])
I get: Parameter 1 of function IsDefined, which is now form['rel_'  ar], must 
be a syntactically valid variable name.

I'm doing all this in a loop. The form's check boxes are defined as: 
rel_#currentrow#. Then I'm looping around them:
cfloop index=ar from=1 to=#form.numrows#
Numrows comes from the recordcount of the hidden form variable output query 
displaying the checkboxes.

All I need to know is what the right syntax I need to use for IsDefined?

Kind Regards,

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RE: Syntax is driving me nuts!

[Rick Sanders]

Thanks a lot guys. I still have a lot to learn about CF.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
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-Original Message-
From: DURETTE, STEVEN J [mailto:sd1...@att.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:56 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Syntax is driving me nuts!


Try structkeyexists

cfif structKeyExists(Form, rel_  ar)

If you really need to use isdefined, it would be:
cfif isDefined(form.rel_  ar)

Steve


-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:49 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Syntax is driving me nuts!


Hey guys,

I'm trying to add multiple items to a database based on if a check box is 
checked.

This code works fine:
cfif IsNumeric(#form['qty_'  upd]#)

But I want to make sure the box is checked or not. When I do this:
cfif IsDefined(#form['rel_'  ar]#)
I get: Element rel_1 is undefined in a Java object of type class 
coldfusion.filter.FormScope.

If I do this:
cfif IsDefined(form['rel_'  ar])
I get: Parameter 1 of function IsDefined, which is now form['rel_'  ar], must 
be a syntactically valid variable name.

I'm doing all this in a loop. The form's check boxes are defined as: 
rel_#currentrow#. Then I'm looping around them:
cfloop index=ar from=1 to=#form.numrows#
Numrows comes from the recordcount of the hidden form variable output query 
displaying the checkboxes.

All I need to know is what the right syntax I need to use for IsDefined?

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
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W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/









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Pausing a loop or query

[Rick Sanders]

Here's the situation. A client of mine has an email list he sends a flyer to 
once a month to about 5000 addresses. I need to pause after sending 250 so the 
server doesn't get flagged for spamming. What's the best way to do this?

It's easy to do multiple queries of 250 rows each, but how can I pause for say 
5 or 10mins in between?

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
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RE: Pausing a loop or query

[Rick Sanders]

OK thanks guys. So similar to doing a cron job.

Kind Regards,

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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:13 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Pausing a loop or query


Kinda hacky, but:

Use a db table/column for misc crap, or hell, even a server variable, and save 
something called:

lastRow, 1

Do a SQL to get 250 addresses starting at row lastRow.

Process your mail.

When done, set lastRow to lastRow + 250.

All of the above would be a CFM hit via cfschedule.



On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Rick Sanders r...@webenergy.ca wrote:


 Here's the situation. A client of mine has an email list he sends a 
 flyer to once a month to about 5000 addresses. I need to pause after 
 sending 250 so the server doesn't get flagged for spamming. What's the 
 best way to do this?

 It's easy to do multiple queries of 250 rows each, but how can I pause 
 for say 5 or 10mins in between?

 Kind Regards,

 Rick Sanders
 T: 902-401-7689
 W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/



 



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RE: Pausing a loop or query

[Rick Faircloth]

How about using a scheduled task to run a series of mail sends
of 250 each, the as part of the task, schedules another task
5-10 minutes later to send another task. Repeat as needed.

Here's what part of a scheduled task would look like that I used
to process a Real Estate data download every morning:

cfthread action=run name=schedule_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing

   !--- [ set up the delay routine ] ---

   cfset cfthread.sleepTime = 0
   cfset cfthread.initialized = false

!--- [ the cfloop continues to loop until the status of the previous
  cfthred, in that case named email_results is completed
  or terminated (due to a failure) ] ---

  cfloop condition=cfthread.email_results.status neq 'completed' and
 cfthread.email_results.status neq 'terminated'

 cfset sleep(1) /
 cfset cfthread.sleeptime++ /

  /cfloop

   cfschedule   action =  update
 task   =  vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
 operation  =  HTTPRequest
 url=
http://localhost/scheduledTasks/vds/01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing_vds;
 startdate  =  #DateFormat(Now(), 'm/d/')#
 starttime  =  #TimeFormat(DateAdd('n', 2, now()), 'h:mm 
tt')#
 interval   =  once 

!--- [ the following cfmail is just to notify me that the task has run
and has set up the next task ] --- 


   cfmail   to =  r...@whitestonemedia.com
 from   =  
conciergepropertyprocess...@whitestonemedia.com
 subject=  vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing 
has been scheduled.

   Schedule Task, 
whitestone_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing,
   will run in 2 minutes.

   /cfmail


/cfthread


Rick



-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca] 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Pausing a loop or query


Here's the situation. A client of mine has an email list he sends a flyer to 
once a month to about 5000
addresses. I need to pause after sending 250 so the server doesn't get flagged 
for spamming. What's the best
way to do this?

It's easy to do multiple queries of 250 rows each, but how can I pause for say 
5 or 10mins in between?

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/





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RE: Pausing a loop or query

[Rick Faircloth]

How about using a scheduled task to run a series of mail sends
of 250 each, the as part of the task, schedules another task
5-10 minutes later to send another task. Repeat as needed.

Here's what part of a scheduled task would look like that I used
to process a Real Estate data download every morning:

cfthread action=run name=schedule_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing

   !--- [ set up the delay routine ] ---

   cfset cfthread.sleepTime = 0
   cfset cfthread.initialized = false

!--- [ the cfloop continues to loop until the status of the previous
  cfthred, in that case named email_results is completed
  or terminated (due to a failure) ] ---

  cfloop condition=cfthread.email_results.status neq 'completed' and
 cfthread.email_results.status neq 'terminated'

 cfset sleep(1) /
 cfset cfthread.sleeptime++ /

  /cfloop

   cfschedule   action =  update
 task   =  vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
 operation  =  HTTPRequest
 url=
http://localhost/scheduledTasks/vds/01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing_vds;
 startdate  =  #DateFormat(Now(), 'm/d/')#
 starttime  =  #TimeFormat(DateAdd('n', 2, now()), 'h:mm 
tt')#
 interval   =  once 

!--- [ the following cfmail is just to notify me that the task has run
and has set up the next task ] --- 


   cfmail   to =  r...@whitestonemedia.com
 from   =  
conciergepropertyprocess...@whitestonemedia.com
 subject=  vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing 
has been scheduled.

   Schedule Task, 
whitestone_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing,
   will run in 2 minutes.

   /cfmail


/cfthread


Rick



-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca] 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Pausing a loop or query


Here's the situation. A client of mine has an email list he sends a flyer to 
once a month to about 5000
addresses. I need to pause after sending 250 so the server doesn't get flagged 
for spamming. What's the best
way to do this?

It's easy to do multiple queries of 250 rows each, but how can I pause for say 
5 or 10mins in between?

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/





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OCCHosting

[Rick Eidson]

Anyone else? I like to call them ADHDHosting. 

 

Support from them is horrible! 

 

I need another host.  But the problem is they need to allow adult content.
Not a huge high bandwidth smut site. Just a web forum setup to be private
that people can post what they want without being blocked.Will have some
banner adds on it.

 

I would use Hostek but they don't allow it at all.

 

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Social Networking

[Rick Eidson]

Is there an open source Social Network app in CF?

 

I saw CF-Social but there site isn't working. Would like it have some
documentation on how to install and such.

 

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Re: Social Networking

[Rick Mason]

Here's a few I found with a simple search:

http://coldfusionsocial.riaforge.org/

http://cfwheels.org/screencasts/series/1 (built with CFWheels)

http://groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=32274 (Flex and
CF)



Rick



On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote:


 Is there an open source Social Network app in CF?



 I saw CF-Social but there site isn't working. Would like it have some
 documentation on how to install and such.



 Rick



 

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RE: Social Networking

[Rick Eidson]

Thanks.. I am interested in the CF Social one. I downloaded the files but I
can't find any documentation on installing and running it. 

I am on a shared hosting environment.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Rick Mason [mailto:rhma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:03 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Social Networking


Here's a few I found with a simple search:

http://coldfusionsocial.riaforge.org/

http://cfwheels.org/screencasts/series/1 (built with CFWheels)

http://groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=32274 (Flex and
CF)



Rick



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 Is there an open source Social Network app in CF?



 I saw CF-Social but there site isn't working. Would like it have some
 documentation on how to install and such.



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RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example

[Rick Faircloth]

Hmmm... just finished setting up CKEditor in a site manager
for specials... just title, description, and image.

Successfully uploaded all content, processed 5 different
image sizes from original, and entered all into database.

When I went to view the new Special on the development site,
I realized the special title, that was entered in a separate
instance of CKEditor on the page, was un-styled. Of course,
in the database, the actual text was surrounded by p/p
and didn't have the style from the stylesheet that normally
styles the Special Titles.

Is this always the case with editors that provide style control?
Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo),
would this mean that all styling has to come from within the
CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


Thanks, David...

Yes, the live content editors are very attractive. Several
of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing.

And it certainly is a balancing-act, trying to provide desired
functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so 
much control that they end up making a mess of a site.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


Rick,

Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site whenever 
desired, they simply select
the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular page 
and go to town creating the
content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the 
template.  A WYSIWYG editor is a key
ingredient and there are several open source ones out there.  I use TinyMCE 
which is rather simple to
configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from and 
the new version allows for
inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS to 
allow users to see the formats
they are applying.  The ability to upload graphics and documents is also 
important.  

Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated content 
within the context of the site
before they publish it.  This way they can verify that the changes they have 
made fit the sites theme and
layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits.  Inline 
editors are good for this but
there are other approaches as well.

You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest possible 
extent so that you can focus
on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into their 
content, especially now that
there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to create 
their own sites for relatively
low cost.  You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point that 
they move on to another option.

David Phelan  
Web Developer   
IT Security  Web Technologies
  
Emerging Health
Montefiore Information Technology
3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701
914-457-6465 Office
862-234-9109 Cell
dphe...@emerginghealthit.com
www.emerginghealthit.com
www.montefiore.org




-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback.

I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to be 
serious overkill for all my
clients.

I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that 
clients were comfortable with them.
Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take care 
of the styling in advance to
keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage and 
images.

The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one more 
sophisticated client who wants,
basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well become a 
website designer to be able to
manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc.

I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for the 
global site manager or custom
CMS I'm building for my clients currently. I can control the options on the 
toolbar to keep clients from
getting too creative, but make it easy for them to add links, etc., with 
knowing how to code them.

I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field to accommodate 
database interaction so I can
re-purpose content for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all content 
titles, bylines, details, and
images all contained within a single database field.

I'll have to discuss just

RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example

[Rick Faircloth]

Yes, that's true, Scott.



-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:51 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


For a 'title' you may not want them to be able to format that within a rich
text editor. It would be more consistent to have all the titles be the same
style.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 Hmmm... just finished setting up CKEditor in a site manager
 for specials... just title, description, and image.

 Successfully uploaded all content, processed 5 different
 image sizes from original, and entered all into database.

 When I went to view the new Special on the development site,
 I realized the special title, that was entered in a separate
 instance of CKEditor on the page, was un-styled. Of course,
 in the database, the actual text was surrounded by p/p
 and didn't have the style from the stylesheet that normally
 styles the Special Titles.

 Is this always the case with editors that provide style control?
 Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo),
 would this mean that all styling has to come from within the
 CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets?

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:42 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


 Thanks, David...

 Yes, the live content editors are very attractive. Several
 of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing.

 And it certainly is a balancing-act, trying to provide desired
 functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so
 much control that they end up making a mess of a site.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


 Rick,

 Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site
 whenever desired, they simply select
 the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular
 page and go to town creating the
 content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the
 template.  A WYSIWYG editor is a key
 ingredient and there are several open source ones out there.  I use
 TinyMCE which is rather simple to
 configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from
 and the new version allows for
 inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS
 to allow users to see the formats
 they are applying.  The ability to upload graphics and documents is also
 important.

 Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated
 content within the context of the site
 before they publish it.  This way they can verify that the changes they
 have made fit the sites theme and
 layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits.
  Inline editors are good for this but
 there are other approaches as well.

 You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest
 possible extent so that you can focus
 on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into
 their content, especially now that
 there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to
 create their own sites for relatively
 low cost.  You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point
 that they move on to another option.

 David Phelan
 Web Developer
 IT Security  Web Technologies

 Emerging Health
 Montefiore Information Technology
 3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701
 914-457-6465 Office
 862-234-9109 Cell
 dphe...@emerginghealthit.com
 www.emerginghealthit.com
 www.montefiore.org




 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


 Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback.

 I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to
 be serious overkill for all my
 clients.

 I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that
 clients were comfortable with them.
 Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take
 care of the styling in advance to
 keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update
 verbiage and images.

 The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one
 more sophisticated client who wants,
 basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well
 become a website designer to be able to
 manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc.

 I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for
 the global site manager or custom
 CMS I'm

RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Dave.



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


 Is this always the case with editors that provide style control?
 Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo),
 would this mean that all styling has to come from within the
 CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets?

You can customize the style list shown to the user, so that it uses
classes you've defined within your CSS stylesheet. Google custom
ckeditor styles for more information. This is also covered in the
Advanced CF course available from Adobe training partners.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback.

I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings
and have found them to be serious overkill for all my clients.

I've always created my own CMS for each website I created
to insure that clients were comfortable with them. Mostly,
I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor)
and take care of the styling in advance to keep them from
destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage
and images.

The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've
got one more sophisticated client who wants, basically, to be
able to change everything. Well, she might as well become
a website designer to be able to manage everything on the site,
including header graphics, etc.

I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good
option for the global site manager or custom CMS I'm building
for my clients currently. I can control the options on the toolbar
to keep clients from getting too creative, but make it easy
for them to add links, etc., with knowing how to code them.

I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field
to accommodate database interaction so I can re-purpose content
for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all content titles,
bylines, details, and images all contained within a single database field.

I'll have to discuss just exactly what this new client means
by control everything on the site. Turning over complete layout
and design control to a novice to change the design of a corporate
site with my name associated with it is not an option I want to pursue.
If she wants that much control, then I'll just consult with them
and she can buy a copy of Dreamweaver and use it as a WYSIWYG editor.

She wants to be able to add pages to the site, as well, so I may have
to develop that functionality, along with on-the-fly menu adaptation
for the new pages. Maybe I can just convince her to let me create a new
page when she needs one and then turn her loose on the content. It starts
to be annoying and a lot of trouble (for which the client doesn't want to
pay, typically) when they want to start wanting to get into the kitchen
of the website design  development restaurant, rather than just placing
their order and allowing the chef to do his work.

Any other thoughts and/or feedback is still appreciated!

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:25 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


I've spent about 70% of my time over the last 5 years developing in PHP, 
including developing a customized
installation of Joomla for a radio station client that included live streaming 
and audio archives. I've also
rolled a customized CMS through the PHP framework Kohana.  I, for one am happy 
to let go of the content
updates and the radio station example allowed the program hosts to manage their 
own program content, archives,
blogs and links to externals.

IMHO, as some have mentioned, Joomla is a bloated beast to customize. It does 
what it does well, though and
has a solid role/permission setup and tons of plugin functionality. For a 
simple 10 page site, though, it's
probably too much. For CFML CMS options, I find FarCry to be similarly 
troublesome to customize (I haven't
worked with the newest versions, though)  I've played around under the hood 
with Mura and I find it to be very
promising as a CMS platform to build a site around. It's fast and 
straightforward in the way it approaches
what it does.  

As far as design goes, I've never been able to take a Joomla site with a 
template and deploy it
out-of-the-box. They all need customization, based on the way the client wants 
to use them.  The newest
version of Joomla is better for customizing.

A customized CMS, whichever you choose, makes clients feel pleased and 
empowered. You'll still have plenty of
work to do fixing the odd mistakes, adding functionality, and helping them 
through the learning curves.  I've
found that the more a client interacts with their site, the more valuable it 
becomes as a business tool and
the more requests I get to add functionality and features to help then.

Best of luck,
Jon

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:26 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: SOT: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
 
 
 Hi, guys...
 
 Just need some recommendations from some of you who have been down this road 
 before.
 
 I have a client that is asking for what amounts to absolute control over 
 their site through a CMS. Among a
few others they metioned, Joomla was brought up.
 
 I'm checking them out myself, but wanted to cut to the chase based on 
 experience from those who have used
CMS's that provide control such as Joomla.
 
 What have you tried? What turned out to work well? What bombed?
 I've always rolled my own

RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, David...

Yes, the live content editors are very attractive. Several
of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing.

And it certainly is a balancing-act, trying to provide desired
functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so 
much control that they end up making a mess of a site.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


Rick,

Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site whenever 
desired, they simply select
the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular page 
and go to town creating the
content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the 
template.  A WYSIWYG editor is a key
ingredient and there are several open source ones out there.  I use TinyMCE 
which is rather simple to
configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from and 
the new version allows for
inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS to 
allow users to see the formats
they are applying.  The ability to upload graphics and documents is also 
important.  

Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated content 
within the context of the site
before they publish it.  This way they can verify that the changes they have 
made fit the sites theme and
layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits.  Inline 
editors are good for this but
there are other approaches as well.

You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest possible 
extent so that you can focus
on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into their 
content, especially now that
there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to create 
their own sites for relatively
low cost.  You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point that 
they move on to another option.

David Phelan  
Web Developer   
IT Security  Web Technologies
  
Emerging Health
Montefiore Information Technology
3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701
914-457-6465 Office
862-234-9109 Cell
dphe...@emerginghealthit.com
www.emerginghealthit.com
www.montefiore.org




-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example


Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback.

I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to be 
serious overkill for all my
clients.

I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that 
clients were comfortable with them.
Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take care 
of the styling in advance to
keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage and 
images.

The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one more 
sophisticated client who wants,
basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well become a 
website designer to be able to
manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc.

I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for the 
global site manager or custom
CMS I'm building for my clients currently. I can control the options on the 
toolbar to keep clients from
getting too creative, but make it easy for them to add links, etc., with 
knowing how to code them.

I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field to accommodate 
database interaction so I can
re-purpose content for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all content 
titles, bylines, details, and
images all contained within a single database field.

I'll have to discuss just exactly what this new client means by control 
everything on the site. Turning over
complete layout and design control to a novice to change the design of a 
corporate site with my name
associated with it is not an option I want to pursue.
If she wants that much control, then I'll just consult with them and she can 
buy a copy of Dreamweaver and
use it as a WYSIWYG editor.

She wants to be able to add pages to the site, as well, so I may have to 
develop that functionality, along
with on-the-fly menu adaptation for the new pages. Maybe I can just convince 
her to let me create a new page
when she needs one and then turn her loose on the content. It starts to be 
annoying and a lot of trouble (for
which the client doesn't want to pay, typically) when they want to start 
wanting to get into the kitchen of
the website design  development restaurant, rather than just placing their 
order and allowing the chef to do
his work.

Any other thoughts and/or feedback is still appreciated!

Rick


-Original Message

SOT: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, guys...

Just need some recommendations from some of you who have been
down this road before.

I have a client that is asking for what amounts to absolute control
over their site through a CMS. Among a few others they metioned,
Joomla was brought up.

I'm checking them out myself, but wanted to cut to the chase based
on experience from those who have used CMS's that provide control
such as Joomla.

What have you tried? What turned out to work well? What bombed?
I've always rolled my own, and never used a ready-made CMS, so
I have zero experience with them.

(Joomla seems like it replaces me as a designer/developer, at first glance.
If a client has a CMS that allows them to do everything that I do
for them now, including selecting themes for pages they add to the
site themselves (designer), manage data through Joomla functionality 
(developer),
I wonder if I would end up as a Joomla Installer  Maintenance person
for the client. ???)

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Thanks for any feedback!

Rick


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C-Panel

[Rick Sanders]

Hi Folks. I run a hosting company and need an interface like C-Panel. I was 
wondering if there were and snippets of code out there that have an interface 
to manage Windows accounts since my servers are windows based.

Since I'm developing this myself I may be asking questions here, but I'm 
willing to share my work with you folks here in the community.

Kind Regards,

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RE: C-Panel

[Rick Sanders]

Hi again Brian,

I agree with you about windows. However, I haven't had enough experience with 
Linux servers in order to set one up for web hosting. I've been working with 
windows servers since NT 3.5. Windows can host Wordpress, PhP and any other web 
technology today. Until I absolutely have to set up a Linux server, my limited 
time is best served in other areas.

WebSitePanel looks to be a good solution for what I need. I don't need billing, 
only file management.

Thanks for the info on webhostingtalk.com too!

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.ca




-Original Message-
From: Byron Mann [mailto:byronos...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:22 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: C-Panel


Having supported home-grown provisioning code for several years my suggestion 
would be to use something off the shelf.  We implemented Parallels Automation 
and Billing last year and have drastically reduced our costs across the board, 
development, support, operations.  We now only have one additional developer 
supporting our legacy applications, instead of 5, and most of his time is spent 
on new work.

Next question is do you need billing and automation or just automation?

WHMCS is a nice all in one solution a lot of smaller hosts seem to use for both 
provisioning and billing.  It integrates with various control panels on the 
servers. Pretty inexpensive, limited a bit on services you can offer however.  
Windows and Linux should you decide to offer Linux in the future.

WebSitePanel, OpenSource, .NET, backed by Microsoft.  Windows Only, might be a 
bit difficult to implement Linux. Simple billing. Seems like it is not a very 
active project however. We started using this a while back just for 
provisioning and had to customize things quite a bit for how we wanted to do 
things. So a bit restrictive.  We no longer use it.

Parallels has taken Plesk to the next level and can now centrally manage Plesk 
servers: http://www.parallels.com/products/plesk-automation/, we are actually 
going to start offering this to our resellers.  Windows and Linux.
Provisioning only.  Just need the Plesk management node actually, can connect 
to existing Plesk servers and can add new servers without Plesk.
There is just an agent that runs on the remote machines. No Billing, Parallels 
has a new billing thing coming out next year specifically for this.

Parallels Automation  Billing, this is what we use for provisioning. This is 
their most comprehensive product and will provision just about everything a web 
host would probably need. You can just get the Automation component without 
billing.  Expensive and does require Parallels implementation (and I would 
suggest training) as part of the purchase. Can also do fully branded resellers.

If you stick with an in-house solution, use powershell scripts.  I've found it 
to be the most flexible and reliable thing out there, plus there are a ton of 
scripts floating out there already.

Windows hosting is shrinking with the advent of more good Control Panels that 
make Linux a no brainer. Not sure what your business model is, but I would 
consider this a future possibility.

webhostingtalk.com is an excellent resource for hosters as well, if you aren't 
part of that community already.


Byron Mann
Lead Engineer  Architect
HostMySite.com


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Rick Sanders r...@webenergy.ca wrote:


 Hi Folks. I run a hosting company and need an interface like C-Panel. 
 I was wondering if there were and snippets of code out there that have 
 an interface to manage Windows accounts since my servers are windows based.

 Since I'm developing this myself I may be asking questions here, but 
 I'm willing to share my work with you folks here in the community.

 Kind Regards,

 Rick Sanders
 T: 902-401-7689
 W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/





 



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RE: C-Panel

[Rick Sanders]

Thanks for your input Ross. I'm installing it now on a test machine then I will 
implement it on our live server.

Kind Regards,

Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.ca




-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 12:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: C-Panel


Fyi websitepanel is more active now, 2.0 released this year and 2.1 currently 
in beta, supports Windows 2012.
Do not use its ecommerce system though it is awful, but the rest of it works 
really well.
We use it for all our Windows hosting and I also use it for cfmldeveloper.com

Russ Michaels
www.michaels.me.uk
 On 10 Jul 2013 15:21, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote:


 Having supported home-grown provisioning code for several years my 
 suggestion would be to use something off the shelf.  We implemented 
 Parallels Automation and Billing last year and have drastically 
 reduced our costs across the board, development, support, operations.  
 We now only have one additional developer supporting our legacy 
 applications, instead of 5, and most of his time is spent on new work.

 Next question is do you need billing and automation or just automation?

 WHMCS is a nice all in one solution a lot of smaller hosts seem to use 
 for both provisioning and billing.  It integrates with various control 
 panels on the servers. Pretty inexpensive, limited a bit on services 
 you can offer however.  Windows and Linux should you decide to offer Linux in 
 the future.

 WebSitePanel, OpenSource, .NET, backed by Microsoft.  Windows Only, 
 might be a bit difficult to implement Linux. Simple billing. Seems 
 like it is not a very active project however. We started using this a 
 while back just for provisioning and had to customize things quite a 
 bit for how we wanted to do things. So a bit restrictive.  We no longer use 
 it.

 Parallels has taken Plesk to the next level and can now centrally 
 manage Plesk servers: 
 http://www.parallels.com/products/plesk-automation/, we are actually going to 
 start offering this to our resellers.  Windows and Linux.
 Provisioning only.  Just need the Plesk management node actually, can 
 connect to existing Plesk servers and can add new servers without Plesk.
 There is just an agent that runs on the remote machines. No Billing, 
 Parallels has a new billing thing coming out next year specifically 
 for this.

 Parallels Automation  Billing, this is what we use for provisioning. 
 This is their most comprehensive product and will provision just about 
 everything a web host would probably need. You can just get the 
 Automation component without billing.  Expensive and does require 
 Parallels implementation (and I would suggest training) as part of the 
 purchase. Can also do fully branded resellers.

 If you stick with an in-house solution, use powershell scripts.  I've 
 found it to be the most flexible and reliable thing out there, plus 
 there are a ton of scripts floating out there already.

 Windows hosting is shrinking with the advent of more good Control 
 Panels that make Linux a no brainer. Not sure what your business model 
 is, but I would consider this a future possibility.

 webhostingtalk.com is an excellent resource for hosters as well, if 
 you aren't part of that community already.


 Byron Mann
 Lead Engineer  Architect
 HostMySite.com


 On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Rick Sanders r...@webenergy.ca wrote:

 
  Hi Folks. I run a hosting company and need an interface like 
  C-Panel. I was wondering if there were and snippets of code out 
  there that have an interface to manage Windows accounts since my servers 
  are windows based.
 
  Since I'm developing this myself I may be asking questions here, but 
  I'm willing to share my work with you folks here in the community.
 
  Kind Regards,
 
  Rick Sanders
  T: 902-401-7689
  W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/
 
 
 
 
 
 

 



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Haven't received any mail lately...

[Rick Faircloth]

Testing...

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Re: Haven't received any mail lately...

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Bruce...


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote:


 Got it.

 Sent from my iPhone 4S.

 On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
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Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, all...

I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the last 10+
years.
I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which would,
hopefully,
not cause me to rely on known practices because they were familiar and
understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding.

Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already written with
enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch each time.

On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my code of
HTML,
CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource libraries
that I can build upon and reference from within new projects.

I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But, again, see
my
first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this approach.

But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what I've found
on the
Internet and in the CF docs to little avail)  trying to get a working
method for this
approach.

I started first by putting my initial components for the project *above*
the website's
root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of course,
immediately
got the error, component cannot be found.

Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc into an application.cfm
in the
website root folder. For kicks and giggles, not a real solution, because
this approach
is fundamentally flawed, I put an application.cfm in the site root folder
and
used the relative path capability of cfinclude to pull in the
application.cfc above
the site web root and it's settings into the site's directory structure.
Knowing that's
not a solution, I continued to dig on the Internet. Nothing has clicked. I
think there
are too many gaps in my understanding to make sense of everything I'm
reading.

So, I thought I'd just ask the brains that inhabit the world of CF-Talk and
ask
for a simple explanation of how to go about accessing cfc's above a website
root,
that allows those cfc's access to the variables set up in application.cfc
when it
resides inside the site root directory structure.

I'm trying to get this to work in the manner that I access virtually every
cfc currently,
which is through AJAX functionality in jQuery. I can access a mapped path
created
in application.cfc using AJAX in this manner:

url: location.protocol + '//' + location.host +
'/common/coldfusion/form-processing/contact.cfc?method=json'

However, the contact.cfc has to reference variables setup in the
application.cfc,
which exists inside the website root. Unless I place the application.cfc in
the same
folder as contact.cfc, it doesn't work.

So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
contact.cfc under
such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this? Is
that what
I need to understand and implement or do I need to look into something else?

Clues? Breadcrumbs?

Thanks for any feedback!

Rick

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Re: Haven't received any mail lately...

[Rick Faircloth]

Boy, traffic must be really slow...


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:33 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:


 This thing is on.


 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Rick Faircloth
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Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use 'extends it
is!

Thanks,

Rick


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is available tot he
 child.
 If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would need to put
 the components in a central location and then adding a mapping to them.



 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Hi, all...
 
  I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the last 10+
  years.
  I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which would,
  hopefully,
  not cause me to rely on known practices because they were familiar and
  understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding.
 
  Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already written
 with
  enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch each time.
 
  On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my code of
  HTML,
  CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource libraries
  that I can build upon and reference from within new projects.
 
  I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But, again,
 see
  my
  first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this approach.
 
  But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what I've
 found
  on the
  Internet and in the CF docs to little avail)  trying to get a working
  method for this
  approach.
 
  I started first by putting my initial components for the project *above*
  the website's
  root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of course,
  immediately
  got the error, component cannot be found.
 
  Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc into an
 application.cfm
  in the
  website root folder. For kicks and giggles, not a real solution,
 because
  this approach
  is fundamentally flawed, I put an application.cfm in the site root folder
  and
  used the relative path capability of cfinclude to pull in the
  application.cfc above
  the site web root and it's settings into the site's directory structure.
  Knowing that's
  not a solution, I continued to dig on the Internet. Nothing has clicked.
 I
  think there
  are too many gaps in my understanding to make sense of everything I'm
  reading.
 
  So, I thought I'd just ask the brains that inhabit the world of CF-Talk
 and
  ask
  for a simple explanation of how to go about accessing cfc's above a
 website
  root,
  that allows those cfc's access to the variables set up in application.cfc
  when it
  resides inside the site root directory structure.
 
  I'm trying to get this to work in the manner that I access virtually
 every
  cfc currently,
  which is through AJAX functionality in jQuery. I can access a mapped path
  created
  in application.cfc using AJAX in this manner:
 
  url: location.protocol + '//' + location.host +
  '/common/coldfusion/form-processing/contact.cfc?method=json'
 
  However, the contact.cfc has to reference variables setup in the
  application.cfc,
  which exists inside the website root. Unless I place the application.cfc
 in
  the same
  folder as contact.cfc, it doesn't work.
 
  So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
  contact.cfc under
  such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this? Is
  that what
  I need to understand and implement or do I need to look into something
  else?
 
  Clues? Breadcrumbs?
 
  Thanks for any feedback!
 
  Rick
 
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Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Your understanding is correct, Matt, but I don't see how your
example is relevant.

In my application.cfc, I've got a line that sets an application variable:

cfset application.siteShortDomain = myShortDomain.com

I need that application.siteShortdomain variable available when contact.cfc
runs.

So, how would I go about this?

(I just noticed what Brian and Russ added to the conversation,
and Russ is correct, as you can see from above, that I want to extend
the global application variables that I've set in application.cfc tp all
the other cfc's that are in a common library of cfc's above the website
root.

???

Thanks!

Rick


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:


 Hang on a minute. If I understand this correctly 

 So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
  contact.cfc under
  such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this?


 ... you're thinking about adding `extends=Application` to your
 contact.cfc?  If that's a correct understanding on my part, then the answer
 is: HELL NO! DO NOT USE EXTENDS!

 Your CFCs should be self-contained and any outside variables they need
 should be passed in as either arguments or properties. Here's a contrived
 example.

 // foo.cfc
 component
 {
 property name=datasourcename

 function init( required string datasourcename )
 {
 variables.datasourcename = arguments.datasourcename
 return this
 }

 function doQuery()
 {
 // your query goes here
 return mycoolquery
 }
 }

 // test.cfm
 foo = createObject( 'component', 'foo' ).init( application.datasourcename )
 writeDump( foo.doQuery )


 HTH

 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Faircloth
 r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 
  Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use 'extends
 it
  is!
 
  Thanks,
 
  Rick
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
 
  
   if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is available tot
 he
   child.
   If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would need to
  put
   the components in a central location and then adding a mapping to them.
  
  
  
   On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth 
  r...@whitestonemedia.com
   wrote:
  
   
Hi, all...
   
I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the last
  10+
years.
I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which would,
hopefully,
not cause me to rely on known practices because they were familiar
 and
understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding.
   
Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already written
   with
enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch each
  time.
   
On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my code
  of
HTML,
CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource
 libraries
that I can build upon and reference from within new projects.
   
I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But,
 again,
   see
my
first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this approach.
   
But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what I've
   found
on the
Internet and in the CF docs to little avail)  trying to get a working
method for this
approach.
   
I started first by putting my initial components for the project
  *above*
the website's
root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of course,
immediately
got the error, component cannot be found.
   
Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc into an
   application.cfm
in the
website root folder. For kicks and giggles, not a real solution,
   because
this approach
is fundamentally flawed, I put an application.cfm in the site root
  folder
and
used the relative path capability of cfinclude to pull in the
application.cfc above
the site web root and it's settings into the site's directory
  structure.
Knowing that's
not a solution, I continued to dig on the Internet. Nothing has
  clicked.
   I
think there
are too many gaps in my understanding to make sense of everything I'm
reading.
   
So, I thought I'd just ask the brains that inhabit the world of
 CF-Talk
   and
ask
for a simple explanation of how to go about accessing cfc's above a
   website
root,
that allows those cfc's access to the variables set up in
  application.cfc
when it
resides inside the site root directory structure.
   
I'm trying to get this to work in the manner that I access virtually
   every
cfc currently,
which is through AJAX functionality in jQuery. I can access a mapped
  path
created
in application.cfc using AJAX in this manner:
   
url: location.protocol + '//' + location.host +
'/common

Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Dave:

 Is contact.cfc part of the same application as the Application.cfc
 where the variables are defined?

No, I'm trying to figure out a way to have a common library of cfc's, js,
etc.,
that websites I build can reference.

I saw in other places around the Internet that it's best to keep code logic
outside the webroot. I thought I'd try that.

So, contact.cfc is in
e:\inetpub\common\coldfusion\form-processing\contact.cfc.

The application.cfc is in
e:\inetpub\webroot\hdspa-responsive-dev\application.cfc.

Since application.siteShortDomain is set in application.cfc, when
contact.cfc
is accessed via AJAX, contact.cfc has no knowledge of the
application.siteShortDomain
variable.

Just trying to figure out how to make contact.cfc aware of the value of
application.siteShortDomain.

Rick


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  However, the contact.cfc has to reference variables setup in the
  application.cfc, which exists inside the website root. Unless I place
  the application.cfc in the same folder as contact.cfc, it doesn't work.
 
  So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
  contact.cfc under such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of
  cfc's solve this? Is that what I need to understand and implement or do
  I need to look into something else?

 Is contact.cfc part of the same application as the Application.cfc
 where the variables are defined? If so, why aren't those variables
 just part of the Application scope, instead of local variables that
 get recreated for each page request?

 Code reuse is very important. But code reuse doesn't just mean invoke
 one module from another one. It requires that you structure your code
 appropriately in the first place. I'm not seeing that structure from
 your description - that doesn't mean there isn't any structure, just
 that I'm not seeing it in your description.

 In general, you don't want to use Application.cfc as the parent class
 for any other class except another Application.cfc - for example, in a
 subdirectory of the parent application. You don't want to use it as
 the parent class for other CFCs.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

 From within any file that's part of that application, you can directly
 reference application.siteShortDomain:

 cfoutput#application.siteShortDomain#/cfoutput

 Any file within the same directory, or any subdirectories that don't
 have their own Application.cfc or Application.cfm files, are part of
 that application.

Thanks, Dave I understand that usage of application variables.
The problem here is that the contact.cfc that I need to have access
to application.siteShortDomain is outside the directory structure
of application.cfc that sets the variable, contact.cfc doesn't have
access to it in the normal way.

I've set up resource files, such as contact.cfc, which processes
contact form information, set up in a separate directory structure
outside the webroot, so in other applications I can refer to the
contact.cfc for processing contact form information, as well.

Just trying to figure out how to setup a library of functionality
that I can reference from various websites. Normally, I just copy
all the cfc's into a new site's directory structure. I'm just trying
to find a way around that.


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Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Matt, just participate in the conversation without being asinine about it.

I haven't asked anyone to write my code for me. Just looking
for some guidance as to the correct approach.

So, offer your advice in a friendly manner, if you're going to offer
it at all.



On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:


 You do it exactly like I said you do it: Pass it in as either an argument
 or a property. When you instantiate your contact.cfc, you pass in
 everything it needs from outside in order to do its job.

 The example I gave is completely relevant, albeit not an example of your
 exact situation. I don't know your exact situation and I'm not going to
 write your code for you, but I - along with others here - have definitely
 given you all the information you need to apply the principles to your
 exact scenario.


 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Rick Faircloth
 r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 
  Your understanding is correct, Matt, but I don't see how your
  example is relevant.
 
  In my application.cfc, I've got a line that sets an application variable:
 
  cfset application.siteShortDomain = myShortDomain.com
 
  I need that application.siteShortdomain variable available when
 contact.cfc
  runs.
 
  So, how would I go about this?
 
  (I just noticed what Brian and Russ added to the conversation,
  and Russ is correct, as you can see from above, that I want to extend
  the global application variables that I've set in application.cfc tp all
  the other cfc's that are in a common library of cfc's above the website
  root.
 
  ???
 
  Thanks!
 
  Rick
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Hang on a minute. If I understand this correctly 
  
   So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
contact.cfc under
such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve
 this?
  
  
   ... you're thinking about adding `extends=Application` to your
   contact.cfc?  If that's a correct understanding on my part, then the
  answer
   is: HELL NO! DO NOT USE EXTENDS!
  
   Your CFCs should be self-contained and any outside variables they
 need
   should be passed in as either arguments or properties. Here's a
 contrived
   example.
  
   // foo.cfc
   component
   {
   property name=datasourcename
  
   function init( required string datasourcename )
   {
   variables.datasourcename = arguments.datasourcename
   return this
   }
  
   function doQuery()
   {
   // your query goes here
   return mycoolquery
   }
   }
  
   // test.cfm
   foo = createObject( 'component', 'foo' ).init(
  application.datasourcename )
   writeDump( foo.doQuery )
  
  
   HTH
  
   On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Faircloth
   r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
  
   
Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use
  'extends
   it
is!
   
Thanks,
   
Rick
   
   
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 
wrote:
   

 if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is available
  tot
   he
 child.
 If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would need
  to
put
 the components in a central location and then adding a mapping to
  them.



 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth 
r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Hi, all...
 
  I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the
  last
10+
  years.
  I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which
  would,
  hopefully,
  not cause me to rely on known practices because they were
 familiar
   and
  understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding.
 
  Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already
  written
 with
  enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch
 each
time.
 
  On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my
  code
of
  HTML,
  CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource
   libraries
  that I can build upon and reference from within new projects.
 
  I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But,
   again,
 see
  my
  first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this
  approach.
 
  But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what
  I've
 found
  on the
  Internet and in the CF docs to little avail)  trying to get a
  working
  method for this
  approach.
 
  I started first by putting my initial components for the project
*above*
  the website's
  root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of
 course,
  immediately
  got the error, component cannot be found.
 
  Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc

Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Azadi...

I was afraid that or creating CF Admin mappings might end up being
the answer. I was trying to find a way of accessing the variables without
a lot of setup for each website. But, virtual directories won't be that much
to do, since the virtual directories will be the same for each website that
needs the functionality they contain.

But, will virtual directories put into the directory structure of an app in
IIS
then have access to global variables such as application variables?

I'll have to test that approach.

Another alternative might be to send the needed application variables
into the AJAX function which accesses the component function as
JS variables. That might work...


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Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Well, the good news is that I can include the application variables in the
AJAX post and pass them into the contact.cfc (which is also out of the
webroot and in the library) via the AJAX call to contact.cfc.

The bad news is, I have to type all those application variables into every
AJAX call. But, at least I only have to type them in once for the reusable
code!




On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 Thanks, Azadi...

 I was afraid that or creating CF Admin mappings might end up being
 the answer. I was trying to find a way of accessing the variables without
 a lot of setup for each website. But, virtual directories won't be that
 much
 to do, since the virtual directories will be the same for each website that
 needs the functionality they contain.

 But, will virtual directories put into the directory structure of an app
 in IIS
 then have access to global variables such as application variables?

 I'll have to test that approach.

 Another alternative might be to send the needed application variables
 into the AJAX function which accesses the component function as
 JS variables. That might work...




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Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

sigh No, Matt... I didn't say your example is (not) relevant.

I stated, I don't see how your example is relevant.

See the difference? I put the fault on my part for not understanding your
example.

Your example may be perfectly relevant, but I couldn't see how.

I think you just misread my statement and assumed I was being offensive
about your example. If I had said, your example is not relevant, then that
would be offensive, especially coming from me, someone who is the one
asking everyone for assistance in understanding what I was trying to do!

So, no offense intended...


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:


 sigh I did. And you flatly stated that my example is (not) relevant. I
 was merely pointing out - mostly for those who happen upon this thread
 later, since they'll hopefully read and comprehend - that your assessment
 is flatly wrong.

 Good luck.


 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
 wrote:

 
  Matt, just participate in the conversation without being asinine about
 it.
 
  I haven't asked anyone to write my code for me. Just looking
  for some guidance as to the correct approach.
 
  So, offer your advice in a friendly manner, if you're going to offer
  it at all.
 
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   You do it exactly like I said you do it: Pass it in as either an
 argument
   or a property. When you instantiate your contact.cfc, you pass in
   everything it needs from outside in order to do its job.
  
   The example I gave is completely relevant, albeit not an example of
 your
   exact situation. I don't know your exact situation and I'm not going to
   write your code for you, but I - along with others here - have
 definitely
   given you all the information you need to apply the principles to your
   exact scenario.
  
  
   On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Rick Faircloth
   r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
  
   
Your understanding is correct, Matt, but I don't see how your
example is relevant.
   
In my application.cfc, I've got a line that sets an application
  variable:
   
cfset application.siteShortDomain = myShortDomain.com
   
I need that application.siteShortdomain variable available when
   contact.cfc
runs.
   
So, how would I go about this?
   
(I just noticed what Brian and Russ added to the conversation,
and Russ is correct, as you can see from above, that I want to extend
the global application variables that I've set in application.cfc tp
  all
the other cfc's that are in a common library of cfc's above the
 website
root.
   
???
   
Thanks!
   
Rick
   
   
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Matt Quackenbush 
  quackfu...@gmail.com
wrote:
   

 Hang on a minute. If I understand this correctly 

 So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
  contact.cfc under
  such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve
   this?


 ... you're thinking about adding `extends=Application` to your
 contact.cfc?  If that's a correct understanding on my part, then
 the
answer
 is: HELL NO! DO NOT USE EXTENDS!

 Your CFCs should be self-contained and any outside variables they
   need
 should be passed in as either arguments or properties. Here's a
   contrived
 example.

 // foo.cfc
 component
 {
 property name=datasourcename

 function init( required string datasourcename )
 {
 variables.datasourcename = arguments.datasourcename
 return this
 }

 function doQuery()
 {
 // your query goes here
 return mycoolquery
 }
 }

 // test.cfm
 foo = createObject( 'component', 'foo' ).init(
application.datasourcename )
 writeDump( foo.doQuery )


 HTH

 On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Faircloth
 r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 
  Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use
'extends
 it
  is!
 
  Thanks,
 
  Rick
 
 
  On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels 
  r...@michaels.me.uk
   
  wrote:
 
  
   if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is
  available
tot
 he
   child.
   If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would
  need
to
  put
   the components in a central location and then adding a mapping
 to
them.
  
  
  
   On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth 
  r...@whitestonemedia.com
   wrote:
  
   
Hi, all...
   
I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for
 the
last
  10+
years.
I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which
would

Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks for that info, Carl...

I think I read somewhere about that while researching. I'll take another
look and see if I can make that work. It'll beat typing in all the
application variables for every call to the cfc's!

Rick


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Carl Von Stetten
vonner.li...@vonner.netwrote:


 Rick,

 I don't know if this will help, but I've read about people creating
 proxy CFCs in or below the webroot specifically for AJAX requests.
 Those proxy CFCs either extend the protected CFCs (the ones outside
 the webroot) or have functions that call the protected CFCs through
 createObject() or other similar means (which breaks encapsulation, but I
 think that doing this was thought of as a justifiable exception to
 encapsulation).  You would still need to create mappings to the CFCs
 that reside outside the webroot, but you likely would have to do that
 anyway if you use the same CFCs elsewhere in your application.

 -Carl V.

 On 6/25/2013 12:03 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
  Well, the good news is that I can include the application variables in
 the
  AJAX post and pass them into the contact.cfc (which is also out of the
  webroot and in the library) via the AJAX call to contact.cfc.
 
  The bad news is, I have to type all those application variables into
 every
  AJAX call. But, at least I only have to type them in once for the
 reusable
  code!

 

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Re: POI currency format numeric issue

[Rick Root]

Hey thanks, changing my javacast from float to double fixed it.

Rick


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Leigh cfsearch...@yahoo.com wrote:


  I'm guessing this is coming from casting it to float, but I'm not
  sure what else to do here.

 Maybe not just that, but POI's handling of it? Since Excel does not
 support precise types, POI uses doubles (and auto casts floats to doubles).
 Since both are approximate types that may be what is causing it. Do you
 notice any change if you use double as mentioned here? (It will not fix
 the problem, but may lessen it)


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Re: (ot) what in a ajax page could block a jquery click listener?

[Rick Faircloth]

It could be anything from a simple spelling error, to a missing character,
or any number of problems. You'll to show some code in order for anyone to
be able to help.

Rick


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:32 PM, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.comwrote:


 i am stuck.
 cant show any code. but most of it is old.
 tried to stick a simple move multi select box into an existing page that
 does all sort of ajax call i can figure out.

 the jq stuff work fine in most/90% of the site
 just this one page it is confusing me..


 may have to re-write the form.
 sick of ajax and cf7.


 =]

 any ideas one what i should look for?
 a way to catch trap pass what is failing?

 i appreciate ANY ideas.
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POI currency format numeric issue

[Rick Root]

Hi,

I'm using the poi library (the one that comes with CF10) directly to create
an excel spreadsheet, and one of our users has complained about the
currency data.  It shows up properly like $5.71, but sometimes the actual
data in the cell is 5.71059 or something like that.

Here's the code I'm using the write the cell data:

cell.setCellValue( javacast(float,
NumberFormat(qry[fieldNames[x]][i],'0.00')) );

I'm guessing this is coming from casting it to float, but I'm not sure what
else to do here.

Suggestions?

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Re: A live CFML code testing tool

[Rick Mason]

Russ,

Boffo!  This is something that the CF world has needed for a long time.
 However I am seeing an error, despite whatever code that I try to run:

key [FILENAME] doesn't exist in struct
(keys:lastvisit,urltoken,cftoken,sessionid,cfid)

It references a cffile on line 43

Rick

On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 I was just thinking the other day, wouldn't it be handy if there was a
 website where you could just type in some CF code and have it executed
 instantly. this would really make it so much easier for testing quick
 snippets of code when answering questions on lists or forums, or providing
 support in general.
 I couldn't find such a tool, so I decided to write one.
 http://cflive.cfmldeveloper.com

 If you have any suggestions, use the feedback button.

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Re: Problem with CFFTP LISTDIR

[Rick Root]

I'm just dumping the cfcatch.


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 9:34 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:


 What are you dumping to see the 215? It appears that FTP code 215 is, NAME
 system type. Where NAME is an official system name from the registry kept
 by IANA.

 Whatever that means.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FTP_server_return_codes


 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  I have a scheduled job that runs once a week to retrieve a file from a
  server.  The file may or may not exist so I run a LISTDIR operation.
 
  This worked fine until we upgraded to CF 10, and now it fails with Error
  215.  I can't find any useful information on the internet about error
 215,
  neither from generic FTP error code sites nor specific documentation for
  the remote FTP Server (which appears to be Smart FTP version 1.0).
 
  I am able to run cfftp getCurrentDir ... but I can't list the directory
 
  cfftp action=LISTDIR name=files connection=ncoaftp directory=.
 
  I've tried about everything I can for the directory attribute (it used to
  just be blank... but I've also tried the actual directory name from the
  getCurrentDir output as well, along with . and none of it works.. all
  results are the same, Error 215.
 
  Anybody got any ideas what might be going on here?
 
  We are running CF 10 with all patches on Windows Server 2008 R2 x64
 
  Thanks.
 
  Rick
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Problem with CFFTP LISTDIR

[Rick Root]

I have a scheduled job that runs once a week to retrieve a file from a
server.  The file may or may not exist so I run a LISTDIR operation.

This worked fine until we upgraded to CF 10, and now it fails with Error
215.  I can't find any useful information on the internet about error 215,
neither from generic FTP error code sites nor specific documentation for
the remote FTP Server (which appears to be Smart FTP version 1.0).

I am able to run cfftp getCurrentDir ... but I can't list the directory

cfftp action=LISTDIR name=files connection=ncoaftp directory=.

I've tried about everything I can for the directory attribute (it used to
just be blank... but I've also tried the actual directory name from the
getCurrentDir output as well, along with . and none of it works.. all
results are the same, Error 215.

Anybody got any ideas what might be going on here?

We are running CF 10 with all patches on Windows Server 2008 R2 x64

Thanks.

Rick
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Re: Problem with CFFTP LISTDIR

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Also, on my opening connection, passive=no vs. passive=yes doesn't seem
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Weird Issue, CF stops receiving requests

[Rick Root]

So .. running CF9 enterprise on Windows, in a 3 instance cluster with
FusionReactor monitoring.. we had an issue tonight (and this has happened
before) where one of the instances starts lagging badly and causes the
other instances to choke.. they're not really down but not much going on.

So I restart what appears to be the problem instance, and suddenly, all
three instances simply stop receiving any requests , at least according to
FusionReactor.  No activity.

I figure this is some kind of connector/IIS issue so I restart IIS .. it
doesn't want to shut down in a timely fashion so I go in and kill the
inetinfo.exe process, then restart IIS, and then the whole site is happy
again, running smoothly.

I looked in the jrun connector log file and I saw a whole lot of these:

2013-04-26 23:21:58 jrISAPI[2624:17284]  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:51002 deferred
error: Application server is busy.  Either there are too many concurrent
requests or the server still is starting up : -10: JRun too busy or out of
memory

It did not appear, from FusionReactor, that jrun was either busy or out of
memory...

Anybody got any ideas about this?

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RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll
pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest
and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of
something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder
that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because
that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty
of insulting, off-topic remarks.

Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep
a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager
that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think?

And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion,
has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with,
Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest
has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing
something else, like using Google Apps for Business.

And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else,
instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable
to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable.
And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do,
is terribly presumptuous.

Perhaps should anoint a few of you know-it-alls to be a CF-Talk
Advice and Solution Panel. Those of us who aren't smart enough to make
the cut for that panel can then bring offerings, explain our situation,
and wait for you the panel to dispense its wisdom as to how we should
proceed. But, imagine! Some might dare to ask a question that by-passes
the panel's usual modus operandi, come up with an idea on our own,
and ask a question that seeks an answer to just a simple-minded question.

But this happens all the time on this list. Many questions that are posed
get no real answer; instead they get a list of replies that typically
sound like this: I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but you
should... and a solution is offered that doesn't address the original
question. Well, if you don't know what I'm trying to accomplish, or if you
do, but don't know how to solve it, just keep your mouth shut. Or offer
solutions only to the OP's questions. Stop trying to push the OP towards
something *YOU* prefer.

If I wanted to know what solutions existed, I'd ask that question.
Or I can ask that question instead: Are there any existing solutions
that offer an email archiving system that I should consider?. But that's not 
what I
asked. I've already looked at Google Apps for Business and had decided
that I didn't like what I saw; found the solution overkill for what my
client needs.. they need email, not email + calendar + drive + docs, etc., etc.
Some of that has already been offered to my client and they didn't want it. It 
just
might be, MIGHT BE, that I know my clients and what they need better
that you wanna-be CF gods who quickly avoid answering OP questions and
start imparting unsolicited wisdom.

The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT
USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost
at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email
isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees
instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills)
to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people,
may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove
it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some
organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the
least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs.

AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves
a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house),
to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that
Google, or any other vendor can't come close to.

Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from
Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the
original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the
discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives
until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless
discussion.

Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful
information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous length.

Rick 

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:23 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


Not sure what working in it for 30 years has to do with the topic, this
tells us you had a job in a specific area for a certain time  thats all, it
certainly doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about i.t, or
that you were even good  at it.


Regards
Russ Michaels

RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial.

But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage
system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send.

Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text
message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically
displayed in-line with the other persons responses.

Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or
search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation.

We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should
store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response
into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and
each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder.

Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation,
like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in
current offerings.

And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage
that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, 
should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to 
someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me.

It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation.
It's time for a new approach.

That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ 
which basically by BCC'ing an
email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against 
that client. Would that help?

I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. 


Sincerely

Mark Drew

On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:

 
 I've been trying to find a good way to store email
 *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that
 really handy paper trail you need sometimes...)
 
 I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote
 to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically.
 
 Just wondering if anyone has tried this.  I found nothing
 about it when searching the Internet.
 
 Rick
 
 
 
 



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RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

Some good suggestions, Mark, that address the original question. ;o)

I've used POP hooks (if I know what you're referencing), as I described
in a earlier post, to based on a scheduled task that ran every 10 minutes
or so, and check a third-party email provider to see if an email with a
specific email had been delivered.  If that email had arrived, it triggered
other scheduled tasks that could be run only after the email had arrived,
since that told the scheduled tasks that certain data was ready from a
third-party, for me to download and process. This just automated the process
of having to check the third-party email for the specific message's presence
with my intervention at any point.

During work on that little project, I realized that CF had great potential
for handling email, not only as a sending mechanism, but in parsing, storing,
etc., email.

And to your point of creating conversation with some sort of unique piece of
data common to only appropriate threads: Some earlier mentioned using a
message id as that item that I could link only appropriate messages, rather
than relying on subject, as Outlook does.

Several have mentioned IMAP, so I need to do some research on it's potential.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:12 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


I see what you mean now and yeah, that shouldn't be *too* hard to build. 

If I had to solve this I would look into either IMAP or POP hooks into the mail 
server. THen import that into
a database for example, so it can be queried. 

The problem with your SMS Vs Email analogy is that (on my iPhone anyway) my 
message history is by person. In
email, the history is by conversation (or subject line) which you need some 
parsing to get that they are
related and then more parsing to remove replies. 

There are some things that can help, for example (in Railo anyway) there is a 
EMail Event Handler that will
trigger actions when a new email has arrived into your POP mailbox. 

You could extend it to work with IMAP for example and search in the Sent folder?

I would really have to look at the options you have with your mail server. 

The NEXT thing (and if I recall, I think Russ mentioned this to me a long while 
back) could be actually
creating a SMTP/POP EventGateway that then stores emails and what have you . Or 
find a SMTP/POP server that
has an API that you can then work with, of which I don't know any. 

Anyway, just some thoughts that I am sure you have also had. 

Regards

Mark Drew

On 18 Apr 2013, at 12:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:

 
 I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial.
 
 But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage
 system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send.
 
 Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text
 message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically
 displayed in-line with the other persons responses.
 
 Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or
 search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation.
 
 We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should
 store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response
 into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and
 each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder.
 
 Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation,
 like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in
 current offerings.
 
 And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage
 that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, 
 should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to 
 someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me.
 
 It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation.
 It's time for a new approach.
 
 That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question.
 
 Rick
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
 
 
 Going back to the original question, one thing we use is 
 http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing
an
 email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against 
 that client. Would that help?
 
 I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. 
 
 
 Sincerely
 
 Mark Drew
 
 On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
 
 
 I've been trying to find a good way to store email
 *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that
 really handy paper trail you need sometimes...)
 
 I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote
 to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically.
 
 Just wondering if anyone has tried this.  I

RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

I've got to think this through so I can understand how this would work.

But first, this organization is in another state, so I don't have control
over their clients (I control their accounts, where, I guess I could set
a BCC...really haven't checked on it, so I don't remember).

And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email
conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me,
I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of
organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their
email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there.

However, for right now, it's just for me. And, frankly, I enjoy the challenge
of developing a solution that can completely control. I like re-inventing
the wheel. It's challenging and I learn a lot from the work.

But keep the on-topic suggestions and thoughts coming!

Rick

PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial
Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential.



-Original Message-
From: mac jordan [mailto:mac.jor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:27 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:

 I've been trying to find a good way to store email
 *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that
 really handy paper trail you need sometimes...)



​Am I missing something?​ Just set their mail clients up to auto 
bcc
themselves!


-- 
mac jordan
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RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

You should stick to answering the question asked and only the
question asked and not offer alternatives unless the OP asks for them.

I appreciate the offer to share the alternatives, but please try to not
assume that OP's haven't already looked at alternatives and decided to
go their own way. I've learned over the years, that I can almost always
create a solution in some areas that is better *for me* than anything any
other company including Apple, Google, or Microsoft can create, simply
because I create only what need, in exactly the way I need it. I haven't been
able to get Apple, Adobe, Google, or Microsoft to pay much attention to
my requests. ;o)  The other reason I like to re-invent the wheel is that
I learn new things. Always a plus. So, it's not always about the conventional
best solution or a convenient ready-made solution. It's what suits
my motivations most closely.

Anyway, once I heard, before this conversation, that Google Apps for Business
was $5 per user, it didn't matter how great it was; for a non-profit USO just
getting started, an 10-fold increase PER MONTH was not an acceptable 
alternative.



-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:37 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


I do think you have rather thrown the toys out of the pram here over mine
and Dave's Google Apps answers when we were only answering your questions
and correcting your misconceptions.
One thing that happens often in the world of CF and on this list is that
people try to use CFML for everything and thus for tasks it is really not a
best fit for. So it would be pretty a poor community if everyone just said
here is how to do it in CF without advising you there were better ways to
do, or that you are trying to re-invent the wheel.
I clearly know a lot more about GApps than you, and Dave knows more than
me, so obviously we wouldn't just sit here and let you think it cannot do
what you want when it clearly can.



On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:


 You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll
 pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest
 and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of
 something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder
 that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because
 that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty
 of insulting, off-topic remarks.


You are right that sometimes things do go way off topic and sometimes
people are a bit holier than thou, but sometimes it is also warranted.



 Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep
 a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager
 that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think?


Absolutely not, and  that misconception is precisely why people say that. I
have known many people who have worked in I.T, accounting, been developers,
etc their whole life, but are really not very good at it, but can still get
jobs none the less.
Sure that is not true for everyone, but it is a pointless statement as it
means nothing and mostly people say it just to shut you up.
Cowboy builders convince people to hire them simply by saying I have been
doing this for x years, and their victim then blindly assumes that must
mean they are good at it.


 And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion,
 has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with,
 Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest
 has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing
 something else, like using Google Apps for Business.


Actually that is not the case. The only reason the Google Apps discussion
went on is because you said it can't do x and y so we simply pointed out
that it can in fact do x and y so does indeed meet your requirements.


 And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else,
 instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable
 to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable.
 And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do,
 is terribly presumptuous.


You found it unsuitable because as you have shown you did not know how to
use or how it worked, thus your misconception




 The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT
 USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost
 at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email
 isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees
 instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people
 skills)
 to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with
 people,
 may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should

RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

And, again, offer what only is asked for, nothing else.
Don't take an OP's specific topic OT. If you don't think
the OP should consider an alternative, I suggest you wait until
the ask. It's not my mailing list, but neither is it yours.

I just watch these simple topics devolve into totally OT
wrestling matches for no good reason, often leaving the OP
still stranded.

And I never mentioned you by name as one who wasn't self-employed.
If the shoe doesn't fit...

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:39 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


 And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else,
 instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable
 to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable.
 And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do,
 is terribly presumptuous.

You stated a set of requirements, and I pointed out that Apps met your
requirements. You listed a bunch of reasons you found it unsuitable,
and I pointed out the reasons you listed (selecting and deleting
emails, etc) weren't valid. I don't know anything about your clients,
but I do know that the problem you described, as you described it, can
easily be solved by using Apps.

I don't really care what you do with that information, but when you
post a question to a public list you should expect that people will
provide all kinds of answers to those questions. You may not like
those answers. That's ok, you're free to disregard them. But if you
post responses that say x isn't a suitable solution because of y,
and y is not actually correct, people will tell you that. If you'd
just said I'm not interested in Google Apps without stating specific
and incorrect justifications, that would have been the end of it.

 The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT
 USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost
 at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email
 isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees
 instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills)
 to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people,
 may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove
 it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some
 organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the
 least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs.

Fortunately for your nonprofit client, they can use Apps for
Nonprofits for free. I recently set up Apps for a Catholic diocese to
get them off of GroupWise, and they paid nothing.

And based on your responses here, I'm not sure I'd be talking up my
great people skills if I were you. But I do just fine managing
relationships with people, and have not been anyone's employee for
many, many years. Thanks for asking!

 AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves
 a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house),
 to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that
 Google, or any other vendor can't come close to.

First, this is probably not the appropriate venue for us to air our
political beliefs.

Second, maybe you can build a custom solution that ... whatever. But
you originally stated a pretty simple problem, and I provided a simple
solution to that problem. I'm sorry that's got you so flustered, but
my advice to you is to get over it.

 Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from
 Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the
 original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the
 discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives
 until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless
 discussion.

I had no idea this was your mailing list. I thought it was a public
mailing list.

I'm going to have to ignore your advice. It's bad advice. People ask
all sorts of questions about how to do things, and sometimes those
questions aren't really the right questions to ask. Imagine if someone
posted on here that they wanted to save their client money, but they
wanted to build something that worked just like ColdFusion or Railo
etc and did not want to use ColdFusion or Railo themselves. Wouldn't
you feel inclined to point out that these already existed? Would that
be a wrong answer?

My advice, in turn, to you is that if you don't like free advice, ask
for your money back. And if you don't want a discussion to continue,
don't respond - especially with things that are factually incorrect.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the 

RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

And that's exactly to my point... When I ask a specific question,
I only want answers that address that specific question.

If it turns out *to me* that the solution I'm considering is wrong,
then it's up to me to change my mind. I don't take anyone's advice
as unassailable. If we all did that, nothing new would ever be done.

When I get ready to entertain alternative solutions, I'll ask for them.
Until then, the only topic to respond to is Anyone ever created their
own email archive with CF?

And by that question I'm asking for people's experience, but only in the
scope creating an email archive with CF, not quickly dismissing the
approach as wrong or offering alternative solutions. If I wanted those
answers, I would have asked, Is it wrong or a waste of time to attempt
to develop an email archive system with CF? or What are the alternative
solutions to developing my own email archive system with CF?

Very specific questions. I just don't like it when people immediately
try to hi-jack the thread based on their own experience and wisdom.
For all I know, a CF solution has the potential to be perfect and those
trying to dissuade me from that approach just didn't do it right and failed.

I'm just hard-headed that way.

But it's my post; people should stick close to the subject with replies
and let *me* expand the scope if I want to.

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:00 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

 Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful
 information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous
 length.


Rick - Please take this in the most constructive way possible. You asked a
question, got a overwhelmingly consistant answer from the entire list that
you're doing it wrong. Now you are being somewhat unreasonably upset
about that answer (considering you asked for input).

You seem very fixated on a very very specific solution to a problem when
you may be better served to have a wide open mind and listen to all
opinions.  Sometimes if everyone around you is saying you're doing it
wrong, then there is nothing more to it than just that.

Often I talk to clients who start by telling me what they think the
solution to their problem is. Sometimes it's a good solution, but often
(usually due to their inexperience), it's not really the best solution for
their problem. Instead I try to ask them to tell me their *problem*, not
their *solution*. Until the client can let go of their preconceived notions
of what *they* think the best solution is, we really aren't giving them the
best work that we can.

Take a step back and look at the question you were asking. You are
prescribing a solution not presenting a problem. Many on the list are
trying to stop you from making that mistake and moving you back to the
actual problem you are trying to solve.

Your root problem is one that most of the people on this list also have
dealt with at some point. As a result, the overwhelming majority of people
have told you how they solved that root problem, and why they chose that
solution over the one you are suggesting.

Now, you can (and are apparently) holding steadfast to your one single
prescribed solution, and I wish you the best of luck with that. However,
you have asked a community of peers for advice, and then aggressively (and
rudely) rejected the overwhelmingly consistant advise of you're doing it
wrong.

Good luck out there.

-Cameron

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RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?

[Rick Faircloth]

 if you're going to
 suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to
 familiarize yourself with them.

Absolutely...

But like, I said, for now, this is just for me. My client hasn't asked
me for an archiving system. They're just handling that individually.
I just wanted something that work the way I want it to, hence the desire
to develop a customized solution. (Which may, like many other ideas, turn
out to be more than I bargained for.) However, knowing what I do already
about CFMail, it has the potential to do what I want relatively easily.



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:01 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?


 And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email
 conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me,
 I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of
 organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their
 email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there.

Do they want this just to be able to read old email? Or do they have
specific requirements for archiving?

Archiving for the purposes of those requirements can be a bit tough to
implement - you might, for example, have to support nonrepudiation,
etc. I would definitely recommend that you use a hosted solution for
that, if that's what they need. Google has one (of course!) but so do
lots of other vendors, and if you're not using Apps you might want to
go with one of those other vendors. Those solutions tend not to be
inexpensive, however.

 PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial
 Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential.

Good for you! If you have questions about Apps, feel free to send them
off-list. Their trials are only thirty days, so you kind of have to
dedicate some serious time to evaluate things.

Also, there are some very minor differences between Apps for Business
and Apps for Nonprofits. They're pretty minor, but if you're going to
suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to
familiarize yourself with them.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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