CFMX Updater 3 Available
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RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
> The Access databases are small and simple- not worth taking > up resources on an expensive Oracle server. I would recommend that you reconsider. If you've already got the expensive Oracle server, you might as well use it; I expect you'd find an overall savings on resources. > We've always connected to them in the past in 4.5.2. I > realize there are new drivers now- I just would have > expected them to be just as stable as the old versions > of the drivers. That apparently doesn't seem to be the > case. Connecting to Access databases, or other ODBC datasources for that matter, is a bit more complex in CFMX than in previous versions of CF. You'll still be using the same ODBC drivers you used before, but in addition, you'll be using a service (SequeLink) to let CFMX talk to those ODBC drivers. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available
On Monday, Mar 31, 2003, at 10:05 US/Pacific, Ruggiero, Kevin D wrote: > If problems persist I could give the thin drivers a try and see > if that makes a difference. OK, let us know how you get on. > The Access databases are small and simple- not worth taking up > resources on > an expensive Oracle server. We've always connected to them in the > past in > 4.5.2. I realize there are new drivers now- I just would have > expected them > to be just as stable as the old versions of the drivers. Bear in mind that the drivers with CFMX are not "new versions" of previous drivers - they are completely different drivers since CFMX uses JDBC in Java rather than the pre-MX ODBC-based stuff. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
> -Original Message- > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:35 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available > > > Databases we connect to are: > > Oracle 8i (8.1.7) on two separate Windows NT servers (connected to > > using > > Oracle's JDBC/OCI 8.1.7.4 drivers) > > Hmm, have you tried using other drivers? We were using the 9i OCI > drivers for a while but we moved back to the 9i Thin Client drivers > because under load we saw occasional failures with the OCI drivers. We have not tried the thin client drivers. The OCI drivers are supposed to be faster than the thin client (as they're written in C), so we went with those. I also would have expected them to be more stable, as the codebase for OCI is actually more mature I believe. We are using the very latest patch release (8.1.7.4) from Oracle, which fixed bugs in the JDBC drivers for Oracle. If problems persist I could give the thin drivers a try and see if that makes a difference. > > Also, we are trying to connect to network Access databases, > but we've > > thusfar been unable to connect to them (I have another > e-mail to this > > mailing list trying to fix this problem). We're getting errors of > > permission denied/exclusively opened by another user > > I wonder if CF is trying to open multiple connections to the > database? > I don't know too much about MS Access but from what I've read on this > list, it doesn't seem to be very reliable in any sort of multi-user > environment... The Access databases are small and simple- not worth taking up resources on an expensive Oracle server. We've always connected to them in the past in 4.5.2. I realize there are new drivers now- I just would have expected them to be just as stable as the old versions of the drivers. That apparently doesn't seem to be the case. As we've exhausted every option for connecting to them on the network, we're actually now considering copying them over locally on a nightly basis. We'll see if that makes any difference with server stability. > > Also, I'll reiterate that the site was running fine on CF 4.5.2- the > > problems with server hangups started with CF MX, and then > only once in > > production and receiving a higher amount of traffic. > > The biggest difference when moving from pre-MX to MX is the database > drivers (hence the focus in Updater 3 on improved versions of those). I'm finding that to be very true. I realize that there is a ton of code out there to rely on, and it's tough to pinpoint down the problems in these situations. However, I'll note that we did have another server hang today, so I really don't think the last one was an isolated incident. There were no errors in any of the logs leading to the hang. We have been getting errors connecting to the network Access databases, but those occur all the time, and generally do not cause a problem with the server crash, so I really don't think that's the problem here. We are also "maintaining connection over all client requests" for many of our Oracle databases. I may consider turning this off to see if it helps- but I would do so VERY reluctantly, as that would have a seriously negative impact on performance. We've had only 4 days now with updater 3, still not enough time to make a good assessment. I'll give it a few more weeks, and if crashes/hangs continue to be a serious problem, we'll rollback to 4.5.2 and consider our options from there. One piece of advice for people: if the server hangs, reboot the whole machine- don't just restart the service! I find that if I just restart the service, it'll hang again within a few hours. If I reboot the machine entirely, it tends to stay up much longer (days). This could be a coincidence, but I've noticed this behavior 3 times now- and consistently. Thanks for your help Sean. If you have any more suggestions, I'd love to hear em. Kevin Ruggiero > > Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > -- Margaret Atwood > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available
On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 11:24 US/Pacific, Ruggiero, Kevin D wrote: > We have a brand new machine, and this is our server configuration: Looks reasonable. > Databases we connect to are: > Oracle 8i (8.1.7) on two separate Windows NT servers (connected to > using > Oracle's JDBC/OCI 8.1.7.4 drivers) Hmm, have you tried using other drivers? We were using the 9i OCI drivers for a while but we moved back to the 9i Thin Client drivers because under load we saw occasional failures with the OCI drivers. > Also, we are trying to connect to network Access databases, but we've > thusfar been unable to connect to them (I have another e-mail to this > mailing list trying to fix this problem). We're getting errors of > permission denied/exclusively opened by another user I wonder if CF is trying to open multiple connections to the database? I don't know too much about MS Access but from what I've read on this list, it doesn't seem to be very reliable in any sort of multi-user environment... > Also, I'll reiterate that the site was running fine on CF 4.5.2- the > problems with server hangups started with CF MX, and then only once in > production and receiving a higher amount of traffic. The biggest difference when moving from pre-MX to MX is the database drivers (hence the focus in Updater 3 on improved versions of those). Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available
This guy has had some pretty good, measurable success with U3: http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/ messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=582836 He might be a good resource for those who have questions. Christian On Friday, March 28, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Ruggiero, Kevin D wrote: > Yes, I check our logs regularly- especially after a crash. There's > nothing > strange to speak of in there. However, I did have some tnsnames > timeouts > connecting to our oracle server that day, which is why I thought it > might > have been caused by that. Regardless, something like that is no > excuse for > a server hangup/crash. Also, it should be known that this site was > migrated > from 4.5.1 sp2, and the only part of the code that underwent any > changes was > the security code (which was obviously needed)- which remained simple. > The > site almost never used to crash/hang in 4.5.1. I'd get maybe one > hangup > every 2 months before. Also, I'm not saying Updater 3 is necessarily > unstable/unreliable. I'm just saying that I have in fact had a hangup > with > it, and people should be wary before jumping in- even if that just > means to > give it a month or two and see how it plays out. I'll send another > e-mail > to the list in a few weeks to give an update on how our server is > running- > hopefully the info will be of use to people considering migration. > > Kevin ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Hi Damon, I've applied Updater 3 for my CFMX for Windows installation. The whole process was very smooth. The updater's recompilation batch process also worked well except a few warnings but that was my own neglect of not removing pre-CFMX scripts in the same directory. However, the timeout bug associated with unavailable datasource persists, my humble opinion is we shouldn't care why a particular datasource suddenly becomes unavailable, it could be simply that the machine hosting the DS is unplugged, but rather checking request communication between CFMX and a given database driver, say, default to 30 seconds, if the database driver doesn't respond in time, send the requester a msg about the unavailability of the database. Another bug, Updater 3 did not fix is the "ToBinary" function, I first base64ed a multimedia file and then saves it to a CLOB (I've probably also try BLOB) column on Oracle9i, after retrieving the "base64ed stream", I attempted to "ToBinary" the stream back to its original format, CFMX failed to do so. As you know, the same function works in pre-CFMX, at least, I can attest CF5. And I don't think the problem is caused by charset encoding, for both the process of "base64" and "tobinary" uses the same default UTF-8 encoding. Please let me know if there's some other viable workaround excluding file system. One more thing, I have two scripts with same name on different directories with similar but not exact content, one script is compiled correctly while the other uses old compiled code. To fix it, I've renamed the old compiled code, then re-compiled it from command prompt with batch compilation file, re-compilation successful, however, it still uses the old compiled code, how come? Please shed some light about on the workings of CFM code, Java class compilation process and CFMX application server. My instinct told me, CFMX AS would first check if there is a compiled code for source code, if not, compile it, the execute the compiled code; secondly if yes, compare the dateTime stamp of the compiled code and CFM source code, if close proximity or something like that, use compiled code, else, re-compile it for the source code may have changed. If my instinct is correct, then, why manual re-compilation didn't get the job done. Something else? Thanks. Don http://www.hegelsoftware.com/regURL.htm ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Steven, Thanks for the update. Glad to know MM is working on the problem. Don ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Bug 49064 was fixed, in that you will no longer receive an "Invalid cast exception". By extension of the same test case, we discovered that if a user receives a WDDX packet with a reference to a relative DTD not on the user's server, a SAX Parser exception is thrown. Bug 50535 has been entered so that CFWDDX will provide something akin to a "validatePath" attribute to specify the location of a local DTD. Thanks. Collin Tobin CFMX QA Engineer ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Don, To respond to your question, Macromedia is currently working on an issue where a thread can hang while trying to get a connection to an unresponsive database. The issue will be the underlying driver's use of the Socket API's. The ColdFusion Admin general Timeout may be exceeded in that case, and the CFQUERY tag timeout does not have any role until after the connection has been established. In a particular test I've recently ran, an attempted CFQuery to a datasource where the database was down or unavailable took over 100 seconds to finally timeout even though the CFAdmin timeout was 30 seconds. In this scenario, the database may be unavailable for one of a variety of reasons including DNS server problems, a wrong ip entered in the CFAdmin dsn setting, or a firewall intermittently blocking traffic between CF and the database server. This is an important problem that we are working on, and I'll provide any news on the topic as I get it. One way to confirm if requests to a database are in fact backing up is to perform a full thread dump and then examine the results. See the TechNote, Debugging Stack Traces in ColdFusion MX, for details: http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tn18339.htm -Steven Erat Macromedia ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
Sure Sean- I'd be happy to tell you more: We have a brand new machine, and this is our server configuration: Compaq ML 370 Windows 2000 Server SP3 (IIS 5.0) 4 GB RAM 2x72 GB Hard Drive (RAID 1) Dual 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 Xeon Processors CFMX Professional, default JRE Databases we connect to are: Oracle 8i (8.1.7) on two separate Windows NT servers (connected to using Oracle's JDBC/OCI 8.1.7.4 drivers) Local Microsoft Access databases (using standard Access drivers from coldfusion) Also, we are trying to connect to network Access databases, but we've thusfar been unable to connect to them (I have another e-mail to this mailing list trying to fix this problem). We're getting errors of permission denied/exclusively opened by another user, despite the fact that our CF MX server is running as a valid domain user account that has full access to the directories the database is in, and that there is nobody in those databases (we tried making copies of them that nobody was in for certain- same error). Also, our Seagate page server, running under the same user account, has no problem connecting to these network db's. But, I digress... The server is also running OrgTraks 3.1 (with a separate Resin web server on port 8080), and Seagate Page Server/Web Component Server for serving up crystal reports that talk to network & local Access databases. We are not using any COM objects or CFX tags at all, nor are we utilizing WDDX. We have one web service running which is used for logging into an NT domain (we used Rob Rusher's example to setup NT authentication from ColdFusion and published it with slight modifications as a web service). This is the basis of security on our Intranet. Also, I'll reiterate that the site was running fine on CF 4.5.2- the problems with server hangups started with CF MX, and then only once in production and receiving a higher amount of traffic. Now, I am not the only one having problems with server hangups. There is a very long thread on the ColdFusion webforums currently: http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=143&threadi d=468954. Clearly, server hangup problems have been a widespread issue. So far today Updater 3 has behaved well. We have not had a crash. If it makes it through the day, that will be 1 hangup in just under 4 days- MUCH better than Updater 2 was doing. I'd recommend to anybody running CF MX Updater 2 to upgrade immediately- it's to the people on CF 5 that I'd suggest to keep an eye out for a little while longer first- but updater 3 may very well be the time to jump to MX. If you'd like any more info, feel free to ask! I'm eager to help, since this really is such an important issue for the future of CF. Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 07:16 US/Pacific, Ruggiero, Kevin D wrote: > But, I want to let those who may be thinking of going to production > level with CF MX know that it may be a good idea to give it a month or > so at > least and see what kind of feedback comes in. I'm not yet convinced > that CF > MX with updater 3 is necessarily up to snuff just yet. I'm sorry you are experiencing problems with your setup. Many people have been running CFMX in production successfully, even before Updater 3. The Macromedia "ColdFusion Examples" server has been in production for a year now with virtually no downtime. It was initially running a beta of CFMX (yes, we put a beta into production!) and then upgraded it to CFMX Enterprise when that shipped. As far as I know, it's still running the base release. And macromedia.com itself is running CFMX for J2EE w/Updater 3 and has behaved very smoothly, handling a lot of traffic. Can you tell us more about your configuration and the sort of code you are running? COM, CFX, any unusual configurations? O/S, CPU, RAM, database etc. Perhaps your problems are due to the database drivers you are using? The more we know, the more likely we are to be able to help. Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book a
Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available
On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 07:16 US/Pacific, Ruggiero, Kevin D wrote: > But, I want to let those who may be thinking of going to production > level with CF MX know that it may be a good idea to give it a month or > so at > least and see what kind of feedback comes in. I'm not yet convinced > that CF > MX with updater 3 is necessarily up to snuff just yet. I'm sorry you are experiencing problems with your setup. Many people have been running CFMX in production successfully, even before Updater 3. The Macromedia "ColdFusion Examples" server has been in production for a year now with virtually no downtime. It was initially running a beta of CFMX (yes, we put a beta into production!) and then upgraded it to CFMX Enterprise when that shipped. As far as I know, it's still running the base release. And macromedia.com itself is running CFMX for J2EE w/Updater 3 and has behaved very smoothly, handling a lot of traffic. Can you tell us more about your configuration and the sort of code you are running? COM, CFX, any unusual configurations? O/S, CPU, RAM, database etc. Perhaps your problems are due to the database drivers you are using? The more we know, the more likely we are to be able to help. Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
Yes, I check our logs regularly- especially after a crash. There's nothing strange to speak of in there. However, I did have some tnsnames timeouts connecting to our oracle server that day, which is why I thought it might have been caused by that. Regardless, something like that is no excuse for a server hangup/crash. Also, it should be known that this site was migrated from 4.5.1 sp2, and the only part of the code that underwent any changes was the security code (which was obviously needed)- which remained simple. The site almost never used to crash/hang in 4.5.1. I'd get maybe one hangup every 2 months before. Also, I'm not saying Updater 3 is necessarily unstable/unreliable. I'm just saying that I have in fact had a hangup with it, and people should be wary before jumping in- even if that just means to give it a month or two and see how it plays out. I'll send another e-mail to the list in a few weeks to give an update on how our server is running- hopefully the info will be of use to people considering migration. Kevin -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available Kevin, this may sound obvious apologies if so, but do you check the ColdFusion error logs regularly to see what sort of things are going on up to your server hanging? Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper -Original Message- From: Ruggiero, Kevin D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available I put Updater 3 in almost right away, since I was already on 2 and close to rolling back to CF 5 due to the serious problems with the server hanging. I will say that this release appears more stable so far (4 days). It had been hanging on us almost daily (one day 4 times). After applying Updater 3, we had no problems for 2 days straight. Then yesterday, it hung :( I can't begin to describe how severely disappointed I was. Now, in fairness we were having some network trouble yesterday, so it's possible that queries were timing out or something and this wreaked havoc on the server. I'm not quite sure. But, I want to let those who may be thinking of going to production level with CF MX know that it may be a good idea to give it a month or so at least and see what kind of feedback comes in. I'm not yet convinced that CF MX with updater 3 is necessarily up to snuff just yet. I really don't want to be negative about this- but there's nothing worse than dealing with a crashing server (even if CFCs/web services/new security structure are 1000 times better to develop in), and I don't want others to have to deal with it needlessly. Kevin -Original Message- From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now available for free download from the MM website. In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of CFMX, and includes all cumulative major fixes in all product areas, and adds over 100 fixes, mostly focused around server reliability and stability. If you've shied away from CFMX until now because of reported stability problems, this is your release. We're committed to supporting ColdFusion and you, the ColdFusion customer, and we're working hard to ensure you get the best ColdFusion products we can produce. Sincerely, The ColdFusion R&D Team ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
Kevin, this may sound obvious apologies if so, but do you check the ColdFusion error logs regularly to see what sort of things are going on up to your server hanging? Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper -Original Message- From: Ruggiero, Kevin D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available I put Updater 3 in almost right away, since I was already on 2 and close to rolling back to CF 5 due to the serious problems with the server hanging. I will say that this release appears more stable so far (4 days). It had been hanging on us almost daily (one day 4 times). After applying Updater 3, we had no problems for 2 days straight. Then yesterday, it hung :( I can't begin to describe how severely disappointed I was. Now, in fairness we were having some network trouble yesterday, so it's possible that queries were timing out or something and this wreaked havoc on the server. I'm not quite sure. But, I want to let those who may be thinking of going to production level with CF MX know that it may be a good idea to give it a month or so at least and see what kind of feedback comes in. I'm not yet convinced that CF MX with updater 3 is necessarily up to snuff just yet. I really don't want to be negative about this- but there's nothing worse than dealing with a crashing server (even if CFCs/web services/new security structure are 1000 times better to develop in), and I don't want others to have to deal with it needlessly. Kevin -Original Message- From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now available for free download from the MM website. In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of CFMX, and includes all cumulative major fixes in all product areas, and adds over 100 fixes, mostly focused around server reliability and stability. If you've shied away from CFMX until now because of reported stability problems, this is your release. We're committed to supporting ColdFusion and you, the ColdFusion customer, and we're working hard to ensure you get the best ColdFusion products we can produce. Sincerely, The ColdFusion R&D Team ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available
On Friday 28 Mar 2003 15:16 pm, Ruggiero, Kevin D wrote: > to production level with CF MX know that it may be a good idea to give it a > month or so at least and see what kind of feedback comes in. I'm not yet > convinced that CF MX with updater 3 is necessarily up to snuff just yet. We've not had a moments problem with it since release, and I think it's safe to say that's true for most people. -- Tom C "Land of the free, home of the brave... you have to be brave to live there and enjoy the freedoms" ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
I put Updater 3 in almost right away, since I was already on 2 and close to rolling back to CF 5 due to the serious problems with the server hanging. I will say that this release appears more stable so far (4 days). It had been hanging on us almost daily (one day 4 times). After applying Updater 3, we had no problems for 2 days straight. Then yesterday, it hung :( I can't begin to describe how severely disappointed I was. Now, in fairness we were having some network trouble yesterday, so it's possible that queries were timing out or something and this wreaked havoc on the server. I'm not quite sure. But, I want to let those who may be thinking of going to production level with CF MX know that it may be a good idea to give it a month or so at least and see what kind of feedback comes in. I'm not yet convinced that CF MX with updater 3 is necessarily up to snuff just yet. I really don't want to be negative about this- but there's nothing worse than dealing with a crashing server (even if CFCs/web services/new security structure are 1000 times better to develop in), and I don't want others to have to deal with it needlessly. Kevin -Original Message- From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now available for free download from the MM website. In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of CFMX, and includes all cumulative major fixes in all product areas, and adds over 100 fixes, mostly focused around server reliability and stability. If you've shied away from CFMX until now because of reported stability problems, this is your release. We're committed to supporting ColdFusion and you, the ColdFusion customer, and we're working hard to ensure you get the best ColdFusion products we can produce. Sincerely, The ColdFusion R&D Team ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Hey Don, This looks like issue #48769, described as, "Queries that use a datasource that attempts to connect to a non-responsive db server take an extraordinarily long time to timeout." While this is not explicitly listed as fixed in Updater 3, a similar issue was addressed in a previous drop of the DataDirect JDBC drivers (included in this release and Updater 2), namely: "Driver threads used with queryTimeout (CFQUERY using Timeout parameter) were not explicitly terminated [15002321]" This new drop of DataDirect JDBC drivers included in Updater 3 has some important stuff fixed that would have affected you and other CF customers, so I'd strongly urge you to give Updater 3 a try in general. Of course, we'll try to re-verify #48769 against Updater 3 here as well and post back here shortly... --- Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available From: Chunshen (Don) Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:51:55 -0400 Damon, Someone here, I don't remember whom, acknowledged here a while back, CFMX couldn't timeout unavailable datasource, a bug. I've looked at Updater 3's release note, I didn't find anything referencing this topic, is this bug fixed in the Updater 3? It's absolutely critical to our applications. Thanks. Don Li http://www.hegelsoftware.com/regURL.htm ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
Great.. Thanks Damon! Lee | -Original Message- | From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:04 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available | | | You should be able to easily back out Updater 3 and restore | whatever you had before (CFMX Gold, U1, U2, etc) by following | the instructions here: | http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx _updater03.html#uninstalling -Original Message- Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:24:09 -0800 Damon, What's the Plan-B procedure should our installations decide to die on us and our customers after installing 3? Just need to know before we move forward. Thanks... Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corp. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
FYI, we're working with Dave to figure out what's up with this failure. Thanks Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available From: "Dave Carabetta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:01:36 -0500 Make that 99 fixes. The WDDX bug that is claimed to have been fixed (Bug 49064), at least using CFMX for JRun, is not (The description is: "The cfwddx tag did not properly handle packets marked as version 0.9"). This is a major point-of-failure for us, as we still receive the following error when trying to deserialize a WDDX packet marked as version 0.9: WDDX packet parse error at line 1, column -1. Relative URI "wddx_0090.dtd"; can not be resolved without a base URI.. Any chance there might be a hotfix for this? Thanks, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
You should be able to easily back out Updater 3 and restore whatever you had before (CFMX Gold, U1, U2, etc) by following the instructions here: http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx_updater03.html#uninstalling -Original Message- Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:24:09 -0800 Damon, What's the Plan-B procedure should our installations decide to die on us and our customers after installing 3? Just need to know before we move forward. Thanks... Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corp. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Damon, Someone here, I don't remember whom, acknowledged here a while back, CFMX couldn't timeout unavailable datasource, a bug. I've looked at Updater 3's release note, I didn't find anything referencing this topic, is this bug fixed in the Updater 3? It's absolutely critical to our applications. Thanks. Don Li http://www.hegelsoftware.com/regURL.htm ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFMX Updater 3 Available
>Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now available for free >download from the MM website. > >In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of CFMX, and >includes all cumulative major fixes in all product areas, and adds over 100 >fixes, mostly focused around server reliability and stability. > Make that 99 fixes. The WDDX bug that is claimed to have been fixed (Bug 49064), at least using CFMX for JRun, is not (The description is: "The cfwddx tag did not properly handle packets marked as version 0.9"). This is a major point-of-failure for us, as we still receive the following error when trying to deserialize a WDDX packet marked as version 0.9: WDDX packet parse error at line 1, column -1. Relative URI "wddx_0090.dtd"; can not be resolved without a base URI.. Any chance there might be a hotfix for this? Thanks, Dave. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
I've been using Updater 3 in 4 different installations and it's working just fine - great in fact. The COM implementation works as expected (finally) (in my limited testing), which is nice. I'd be surprised to find anyone's installations dying. I can't speak for MM, but if it works on Updater 2, its going to work on Updater 3. If you haven't even migrated the app from prior versions of CF, then that's another matter. There are backward compatibility issues and I wouldn't just upgrade without extensive testing. Yes, there have been some issues with CFMX, but it is far outweighed by the improved performance and the feature set. Jeff -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available Damon, What's the Plan-B procedure should our installations decide to die on us and our customers after installing 3? Just need to know before we move forward. Thanks... Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corp. | -Original Message- | From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:08 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available | | | Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now | available for free download from the MM website. | | In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of | CFMX, and includes all cumulative major fixes in all product | areas, and adds over 100 fixes, mostly focused around server | reliability and stability. | | If you've shied away from CFMX until now because of reported | stability problems, this is your release. We're committed to | supporting ColdFusion and you, the ColdFusion customer, and | we're working hard to ensure you get the best ColdFusion | products we can produce. | | Sincerely, | | The ColdFusion R&D Team | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFMX Updater 3 Available
Damon, What's the Plan-B procedure should our installations decide to die on us and our customers after installing 3? Just need to know before we move forward. Thanks... Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corp. | -Original Message- | From: Damon Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:08 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: CFMX Updater 3 Available | | | Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now | available for free download from the MM website. | | In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of | CFMX, and includes all cumulative major fixes in all product | areas, and adds over 100 fixes, mostly focused around server | reliability and stability. | | If you've shied away from CFMX until now because of reported | stability problems, this is your release. We're committed to | supporting ColdFusion and you, the ColdFusion customer, and | we're working hard to ensure you get the best ColdFusion | products we can produce. | | Sincerely, | | The ColdFusion R&D Team | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFMX Updater 3 Available
Just a reminder that ColdFusion MX "Updater 3" is now available for free download from the MM website. In my opinion, this is very close to a full "dot-release" of CFMX, and includes all cumulative major fixes in all product areas, and adds over 100 fixes, mostly focused around server reliability and stability. If you've shied away from CFMX until now because of reported stability problems, this is your release. We're committed to supporting ColdFusion and you, the ColdFusion customer, and we're working hard to ensure you get the best ColdFusion products we can produce. Sincerely, The ColdFusion R&D Team ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
