Re: Development Environment Setup
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 14:19, Neil Middleton wrote: As you can guess, this isn't the best, and I personally would like to see us using a better source control system (Subversion?). I would also the We've just moved to SVN from SourceSafe (mainly because the 3rd party Linux VSS client sucked). like the source control and release process to be a lot more transparent in the overall process. Transparent to who ? SVN:Web maintains a nice web based view of the repository, complete with RSS feed :-) I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) I would definetly say each developer should have their own CF instance, and possibly DB in the early stages where DB changes are likely to break lots of code. Look at something called Scrum:- see the bottom of http://www.controlchaos.com/old-site/rules.htm and also http://www.controlchaos.com/about/ This stops people from drifting too far apart, amongest other benefits We also have a convention that if you touch a shared component, you email the rest of the dev. team and they can update from SVN when they are ready. If you can get a continuous integration (automated nightly build and check) system up and running, so much the better - you can quickly ID if anyones checks have broken the build. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249610 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
Douglas Knudsen wrote: and who is to audit and ensure the developer is doing this? The security department. If they have such a large network to monitor I am sure they run regular Nessus scans and automatically quarantaine problems anyway. Further more shouldn't this config be something the PC support folks should setup and maintain? Not necessarily. For a local development setup you do not need Local Administrator, Power User is more then enough. (But if the PC support folks want to get involved you can do with User and a little bit of Security Templates voodoo.) In a large organisation with 1+ PCs these are big and costly issues, eh? A security head might just make seemingly idiotic choices to save their respective butts, eh? Remember NIMDA? The good old days you mean. Yea, I remember that: patches came out only every now and then, you had about three months to apply them before they were exploited. It is just a matter of procedure. I put yesterdays Admin API patch from Adobe on the build server yesterday morning and everybody who gets a new build today is patched. Piece of cake. Jochem ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
Neil Middleton wrote: I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) The first piece of code that goes into a project is the Application.cfc that uses the Admin API to set up the relevant externals. For code synchronizing Eclipse has a very nice Team Synchronize feature. Jochem ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
In most large organisations worth their sale they will have a rock solid security models and patch rollout / awarenes (multiple firewalls, bluecoat, direct MSPSS acess etc). For teams who need admin access, they just hive off from the main network and connect via another level of security - so no direct access to the rest. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu Aug 10 06:40:59 2006 Subject: Re: Development Environment Setup and who is to audit and ensure the developer is doing this? Further more shouldn't this config be something the PC support folks should setup and maintain? In a large organisation with 1+ PCs these are big and costly issues, eh? A security head might just make seemingly idiotic choices to save their respective butts, eh? Remember NIMDA? At the time where I worked there were no restrictions on IIS servers running on your desktop PC. oops...this helped nimda spread faster than a california wild fire. DK On 8/9/06, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then your security team is full of idiots. Not only can you set up a firewall, you can configure apache/coldfusion to only listen on 127.0.0.1, so that no other computers can access it. -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249405 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
Probably not idiots, just not aware of what needs to be done or maybe a cost issue. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Russ To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Aug 09 21:10:37 2006 Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Then your security team is full of idiots. Not only can you set up a firewall, you can configure apache/coldfusion to only listen on 127.0.0.1, so that no other computers can access it. -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249408 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
SQL 2005 comes pretty secure out of the box (no external connections). Apache/IIS can be configured to listen only on 127.0.0.1, and so can ColdFusion (with a little xml editing). Best not to use IIS, use apache, keep apache config in svn, so that changes to the config can be sent over to other developers, and you should be fine. If all the servers are listening only on 127.0.0.1, they're not really security holes now, are they? Unless you have them running as a system, and then some local Trojan exploits them, but that's pretty far fetched. In any case, set up local accounts with limited priviliges and run the services as such. We used to run everything on a shared dev server, but it's a pain. Things get edited, and don't get deployed, and pretty soon your dev environment is radically different then production. With a local dev environment, you know that you're the only one making changes, and you can revert everything back to way it is on production, and you can also use branches. Also use Eclipse with subclipse plugin. It makes working with subversion SO MUCH easier then tortoise (especially the merging). You can run it on your QA server and use it to merge branches into the trunk, and do testing on the QA server first, and then commit the changes to the trunk. Russ -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 3:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Development Environment Setup Probably not idiots, just not aware of what needs to be done or maybe a cost issue. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Russ To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Aug 09 21:10:37 2006 Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Then your security team is full of idiots. Not only can you set up a firewall, you can configure apache/coldfusion to only listen on 127.0.0.1, so that no other computers can access it. -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249430 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
Then your security team is full of idiots. No comment. I wish to remain gainfully employed so I just deal with it. I have pointed out several times that this prevents from using some of the power of source versioning, like branching, and interferes with unit testing, among other issues. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Development Environment Setup
Hi guys, Question on how best to setup our development environment. I know it's been asked before, I would like your ideas on our specific setup: Currently we maintain several applications under many websites, on a single development server (CFMX7 and SQL2000). Developers work direct on the shared development server via VSS (do some work, save it, check it in to see if it works...very time consuming). Releases are then done by the tech support guys, who get sent a list of things to push to test (which is currently a manual task). Developers have no access to SQL Admin or CF Admin. As you can guess, this isn't the best, and I personally would like to see us using a better source control system (Subversion?). I would also the like the source control and release process to be a lot more transparent in the overall process. I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) Cheers in advance.. -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249295 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
You could create individual user shares on a development web server. Each developer would check out code to his/her user share to code with. ___ David Konopka Wharton Computing and Information Technology -Original Message- From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Development Environment Setup Hi guys, Question on how best to setup our development environment. I know it's been asked before, I would like your ideas on our specific setup: Currently we maintain several applications under many websites, on a single development server (CFMX7 and SQL2000). Developers work direct on the shared development server via VSS (do some work, save it, check it in to see if it works...very time consuming). Releases are then done by the tech support guys, who get sent a list of things to push to test (which is currently a manual task). Developers have no access to SQL Admin or CF Admin. As you can guess, this isn't the best, and I personally would like to see us using a better source control system (Subversion?). I would also the like the source control and release process to be a lot more transparent in the overall process. I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) Cheers in advance.. -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249335 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) Oðuz Demirkapý -Original Message- From: Konopka, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 20:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup You could create individual user shares on a development web server. Each developer would check out code to his/her user share to code with. ___ David Konopka Wharton Computing and Information Technology -Original Message- From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Development Environment Setup Hi guys, Question on how best to setup our development environment. I know it's been asked before, I would like your ideas on our specific setup: Currently we maintain several applications under many websites, on a single development server (CFMX7 and SQL2000). Developers work direct on the shared development server via VSS (do some work, save it, check it in to see if it works...very time consuming). Releases are then done by the tech support guys, who get sent a list of things to push to test (which is currently a manual task). Developers have no access to SQL Admin or CF Admin. As you can guess, this isn't the best, and I personally would like to see us using a better source control system (Subversion?). I would also the like the source control and release process to be a lot more transparent in the overall process. I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) Cheers in advance.. -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249340 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
I feel your pain and have recently worked through many of the problems that you are currently struggling with. This is the solution that we found works for us and is in no way best practice or the right way, but hey, it works for us with 20 developers all working on the same set of code! We decided to have each developer run a local copy of CF under apache as well as installing TortoiseSVN to interact with SVN (Subversion). Our IT guys helped me put together an installer package that had the apache conf files as well as all the necessary installers. We wrote a few CF files that used the admin API to create all the necessary datasources etc. This enables us to bring a computer from start to configured in about an hour. We have two environments, QA and production that we deploy to. When we are ready to QA a release, we create a branch from the trunk and have our QA server switch to that branch for testing. If there are any problems, we update the trunk and merge those changes into the release branch. Once this branch is ready for deployment onto our live servers we simply have the live servers switch to the new release branch. Currently we are not using many automated processes to accomplish this (outside of SVN) but I'm looking into ANT and CruiseControl as I've heard really great things about both for automated deployments. In regards to your question about the logistical nightmare of keeping all developers in sync...well SVN handles all of it from a code perspective. When a developer attempts to commit changes to the repository, they are notified that their local copy is out of date and they must sync with the server prior to any commits. On the data side, we have data environments (development, qa, live) and all developers have their CF datasources pointed to our dev DB server. HTH Rich -Original Message- From: Konopka, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup You could create individual user shares on a development web server. Each developer would check out code to his/her user share to code with. ___ David Konopka Wharton Computing and Information Technology -Original Message- From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Development Environment Setup Hi guys, Question on how best to setup our development environment. I know it's been asked before, I would like your ideas on our specific setup: Currently we maintain several applications under many websites, on a single development server (CFMX7 and SQL2000). Developers work direct on the shared development server via VSS (do some work, save it, check it in to see if it works...very time consuming). Releases are then done by the tech support guys, who get sent a list of things to push to test (which is currently a manual task). Developers have no access to SQL Admin or CF Admin. As you can guess, this isn't the best, and I personally would like to see us using a better source control system (Subversion?). I would also the like the source control and release process to be a lot more transparent in the overall process. I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) Cheers in advance.. -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249343 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
We do some thing similar, except we have developers developing in branches, and then it's merged into the trunk working copy on QA server, and if it passes testing, then it's committed to the trunk and deployed to production. We don't have any notion of releases, instead we deploy different features for different clients daily. Russ -Original Message- From: Richard Kroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I feel your pain and have recently worked through many of the problems that you are currently struggling with. This is the solution that we found works for us and is in no way best practice or the right way, but hey, it works for us with 20 developers all working on the same set of code! We decided to have each developer run a local copy of CF under apache as well as installing TortoiseSVN to interact with SVN (Subversion). Our IT guys helped me put together an installer package that had the apache conf files as well as all the necessary installers. We wrote a few CF files that used the admin API to create all the necessary datasources etc. This enables us to bring a computer from start to configured in about an hour. We have two environments, QA and production that we deploy to. When we are ready to QA a release, we create a branch from the trunk and have our QA server switch to that branch for testing. If there are any problems, we update the trunk and merge those changes into the release branch. Once this branch is ready for deployment onto our live servers we simply have the live servers switch to the new release branch. Currently we are not using many automated processes to accomplish this (outside of SVN) but I'm looking into ANT and CruiseControl as I've heard really great things about both for automated deployments. In regards to your question about the logistical nightmare of keeping all developers in sync...well SVN handles all of it from a code perspective. When a developer attempts to commit changes to the repository, they are notified that their local copy is out of date and they must sync with the server prior to any commits. On the data side, we have data environments (development, qa, live) and all developers have their CF datasources pointed to our dev DB server. HTH Rich -Original Message- From: Konopka, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup You could create individual user shares on a development web server. Each developer would check out code to his/her user share to code with. ___ David Konopka Wharton Computing and Information Technology -Original Message- From: Neil Middleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Development Environment Setup Hi guys, Question on how best to setup our development environment. I know it's been asked before, I would like your ideas on our specific setup: Currently we maintain several applications under many websites, on a single development server (CFMX7 and SQL2000). Developers work direct on the shared development server via VSS (do some work, save it, check it in to see if it works...very time consuming). Releases are then done by the tech support guys, who get sent a list of things to push to test (which is currently a manual task). Developers have no access to SQL Admin or CF Admin. As you can guess, this isn't the best, and I personally would like to see us using a better source control system (Subversion?). I would also the like the source control and release process to be a lot more transparent in the overall process. I have seen mentions of people having devs running their own instances of CF/SQL, but how the hell do you keep these up to date without creating a logistical nightmare (i.e making sure every developer is in sync with both code and external requirements such as IIS setup?) Cheers in advance.. -- Neil Middleton Visit feed-squirrel.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249348 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
Then your security team is full of idiots. Not only can you set up a firewall, you can configure apache/coldfusion to only listen on 127.0.0.1, so that no other computers can access it. -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249355 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Development Environment Setup
We're currently switching our model. Current old way of doing it is to develop locally with Apache and CF to a MySQL or Oracle DB. Then push changes to QA for review. Developers use SVN to maintain code repositories for version/history. Once QA is passed, changes FTPed to production. No release schedule, it's a do it as you get approval. Our new way eliminates the local development environment. We have one web server for dev, and DW (our chosen IDE) is set up to maintain a local copy for editing and to put files via SFTP. So you FTP changes when you're ready to look at them in development, but can also check-in to SVN from your local copy. QA and production are the same, but I'd love to implement releases (administrative nightmare tracking what bits of code just got approved!). Not ideal, and if DW could get SVN integration, so much the better, but it works for us, and eliminates the overhead of maintaining several versions of CF on developers' machines. Cheers! Lincoln -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249357 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
It would appear everyone has a different way of doing things, even though we are all essentially trying to achieve the same thing. I've blogged this topic to try and get some feedback on this from other people and see if there's any general consensus. Feel free to mention it on your own blogs etc. The more replies the more useful it is. http://www.feed-squirrel.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/8/9/How-do-you-do-yours Cheers Neil BTW, Firefox 2 spell check rocks. On 8/9/06, Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're currently switching our model. Current old way of doing it is to develop locally with Apache and CF to a MySQL or Oracle DB. Then push changes to QA for review. Developers use SVN to maintain code repositories for version/history. Once QA is passed, changes FTPed to production. No release schedule, it's a do it as you get approval. Our new way eliminates the local development environment. We have one web server for dev, and DW (our chosen IDE) is set up to maintain a local copy for editing and to put files via SFTP. So you FTP changes when you're ready to look at them in development, but can also check-in to SVN from your local copy. QA and production are the same, but I'd love to implement releases (administrative nightmare tracking what bits of code just got approved!). Not ideal, and if DW could get SVN integration, so much the better, but it works for us, and eliminates the overhead of maintaining several versions of CF on developers' machines. Cheers! Lincoln -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249360 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
On 8/9/06, Lincoln Milner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're currently switching our model. Current old way of doing it is to develop locally with Apache and CF to a MySQL or Oracle DB. Then push changes to QA for review. Developers use SVN to maintain code repositories for version/history. Once QA is passed, changes FTPed to production. No release schedule, it's a do it as you get approval. Our new way eliminates the local development environment. We have one web server for dev, and DW (our chosen IDE) is set up to maintain a local copy for editing and to put files via SFTP. So you FTP changes when you're ready to look at them in development, but can also check-in to SVN from your local copy. QA and production are the same, but I'd love to implement releases (administrative nightmare tracking what bits of code just got approved!). Hey Lincoln, let us know how this goes for you. I've always leaned toward each dev having a local setup, database y todo. Mostly because of bad experiences sharing an instance. Partly because it gives the developer a sense of freedom, knowing they can't possibly mess up anyone else. Rouge query? No biggie, just copy the database again. Wanna really dig into the code and tweak it around? Go for it! I'm the only developer working on databases of a size that makes it a little harder to keep in sync. Honestly, for most stuff, it's enough to just have some representative data. Hardly do we need the real latest and greatest, unless there's a problem that's hard to reproduce. I'd really love to get into the whole unit testing whatnot, maybe keeping bits of XML representing the DB around, tie it all in to ANT scripts or whatnot, automating as much as possible... One of the coolest things about SVN is the commit messages. You can use them, and tags, to create releases, with change logs even, and if you've got a bug tracker, link bugs to code commits! Sorta killing two birds with one stone. It does help to have a commit message template that folks follow... I am kind of thinking Virtual Machines are pretty cool, you can have an image of the entire setup (Apache, CF, DB) and have a new developer up and running in as long as it takes to copy 2 gigs. Or, if you had a super beefy server, try some of those essentially per user VM setups... A lot probably depends on how reliable the local network is too... I kinda miss the days of well, the network is down, let's all go home... :D ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Development Environment Setup
and who is to audit and ensure the developer is doing this? Further more shouldn't this config be something the PC support folks should setup and maintain? In a large organisation with 1+ PCs these are big and costly issues, eh? A security head might just make seemingly idiotic choices to save their respective butts, eh? Remember NIMDA? At the time where I worked there were no restrictions on IIS servers running on your desktop PC. oops...this helped nimda spread faster than a california wild fire. DK On 8/9/06, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then your security team is full of idiots. Not only can you set up a firewall, you can configure apache/coldfusion to only listen on 127.0.0.1, so that no other computers can access it. -Original Message- From: Everett, Al (NIH/NIGMS) [C] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup I'd love to do that, but we're not allowed to have servers installed on our desktop machines for security reasons. -Original Message- From: Oðuz_Demirkapý Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Development Environment Setup Test Server --- SVN --- Production Server | | Developers Test Server: Testing current status of code and deciding production version of code. Production Server: Deploying tested code version from SVN reposity. Developers: Every developer have their local CF installation and they chekin/checkout code from main SVN reposities. This is what we have here. :) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:249401 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
