RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
> I installed CFMX to run off its own standalone web server > as the docs say. It did run but so appallingly slowly, that > I felt I had to pull it down and install it again as the > only CF server on my system, replacing the CF5. And I'll > just have to be very careful with the tags I use for my > CF5 clients. For development purposes, there's no reason why you can't have both CFMX and CF 5 installed and running, even if you want them to both use IIS. If you think the load that one is getting may be affecting the other, you can just turn either off. Neither one will directly interfere with the other, as long as your web server is configured properly. However, if you're running Windows XP Professional, I think it'll only let you have one virtual server, in which case you'd want to set up only one or the other to run through IIS. You don't have to uninstall either one to make this happen, though. > But installing this second time after removing CFMX didn't > work. THAT's my problem. I have an incomplete installation > and I don't know what to do. If you uninstall the web server connector, delete the CFusionMX directory, and reinstall CFMX, you shouldn't have any problems. During the install, rather than selecting IIS as your web server, select "standalone" and configure the web server connector after the install has completed successfully. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Thank you James. I'll have a go at your process this afternoon instead of watching the motor racing ( such is the fun of running a one-man business). If I'm going to install CFMX as the only CF server on my machine, should I still use the standalone web server? Does anyone have CF5 and CFMX running on the same machine? I installed them both and they both worked but at a crawl, even with 950MB RAM on my machine. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: James Blaha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 7:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Below is an easy step-by-step configuration approach for windows web server configuration. Applicable for IIS, Apache and iPlanet. Please ignore steps that do not apply. 1) Stop your web server. 2) Please uninstall CFMX, 3) Delete any registry key for HKLM\Software\Macromedia\ColdFusion, 4) Delete the and rename the CFIDE and CFDOCS from your IIS webroot. 5) Reboot your machine. 6) On reinstalling CFMX, please use the stand alone webserver that came with CFMX. 7) Try to access the CFMX Administrator on port 8500. 8) From your \Bin\Connectors folder, double click on the particular connector you wish to work with CFMX. If you receive an error stating that Jrun is not started, please close the DOS window and launch C:\CFusionMX\Bin\cfstart.bat then launch the _connector.bat again. 9) A directory C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\1, should have been created with jrun.dll for IIS, mod_jrun.so for Apache and jrun_nsapi35.dll inside the 1 directory. 10) Please verify from your CF documentation on what entries should have been created/inserted to Apache and Netscape conf files. For IIS, there might be a need to Map .cfm to C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\1\jrun.dll in your IIS console. To apply the instruction, please go to START > SETTINGS > CONTROL PANEL > ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS > INTERNET SERVICES MANAGER. Double click on the computer icon/name. Right click on the Default website, or onto the virtual site you need to define the mapping, and select properties. Click on the Home Directory tab and click on the Configuration button. This is where internet documents are mapped, by their extension, and this is where you will need to apply Step # 10. 11) If you did not delete or rename your old CFIDE and CFDOCS folders from your webroot, please rename/delete them now and copy the CFIDE and CFDOCS folders from \wwwroot to your webroot. 12) Try launching the CFMX Administrator using the port of your web server. Bryan Stevenson wrote: >Man I'd stop slagging people for not helping or not caring..it's not going >to get you any help. It could simply be that nobody has an answer for you. > >IMHO you should not install a new CF Server in the last 30 minutes of your >daythat's your oversight and not ours. > >Why did you want them to co-exist in the first place? > >Did you try and install CFMX to run through IIS along with CF 5 or did you >try and install it to run off the standalone server? AFAIK it can only >co-exist with previous CF versions if it runs through the standalone server. > >Have you tried tech support? > >Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >t. 250.920.8830 >e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- >Macromedia Associate Partner >www.macromedia.com >- >Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >Founder & Director >www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:10 AM >Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > > > > >>Well I think I have no choice but to give up. I have been trying to get >>someone to help with my problem for 3and a half hours now, and its >>after 5am Saturday. I still have a partial installation of CFMX. It >>doesn't work and nor does my previous CF5.0. What began at 9pm last >>night as what I thought would be a 20-30 minute job before stopping work >>has turned into an 8 hour nightmare with no sign of any solution. >> >>No one seems to be able to see what my problem is. All I've had in the >>last 3.5 hours is either "calm down and fix your problem" or "rtm" or >>being told to do something that's at least 4 steps past where the >>installation got to. >> >> >>The problem is this: I was stupid enough to believe the Macromedia docs >>when they said CFMX could coexist on a winXPPRO system with CF5.0. When >>it proved that it w
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Thank you for your suggestions Bryan. Of course it's my own stupid fault for expecting that installing this version will be as straightforward as every other version of CF I've installed. (I've done it about 10 times now with various versions at different clients - this is my first installation with CFMX). And yes, I shouldn't have done it at the end of my day. Never blamed anyone but myself. But having got in a pickle, I had kind of hoped that I'd be able to get some help from somewhere. At 4am there is no one at any tech support. I wanted them to coexist because I have clients using CF5 and I want to move my own hosting business to CFMX. Therefore I'll have sites on both. The docs said you can have them coexist. So I figured that's a good way to do it. I wont end up designing things for my CF5 clients that don't work when I load them up on their servers. No one and none of the docs said that this configuration runs at minutes per page, even with 950MB RAM. I installed CFMX to run off its own standalone web server as the docs say. It did run but so appallingly slowly, that I felt I had to pull it down and install it again as the only CF server on my system, replacing the CF5. And I'll just have to be very careful with the tags I use for my CF5 clients. But installing this second time after removing CFMX didn't work. THAT's my problem. I have an incomplete installation and I don't know what to do. No I haven't tried tech support. They aren't there. Wont be until Monday. Unless you know a tech support that I don't. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 5:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Man I'd stop slagging people for not helping or not caring..it's not going to get you any help. It could simply be that nobody has an answer for you. IMHO you should not install a new CF Server in the last 30 minutes of your daythat's your oversight and not ours. Why did you want them to co-exist in the first place? Did you try and install CFMX to run through IIS along with CF 5 or did you try and install it to run off the standalone server? AFAIK it can only co-exist with previous CF versions if it runs through the standalone server. Have you tried tech support? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > Well I think I have no choice but to give up. I have been trying to get > someone to help with my problem for 3and a half hours now, and its > after 5am Saturday. I still have a partial installation of CFMX. It > doesn't work and nor does my previous CF5.0. What began at 9pm last > night as what I thought would be a 20-30 minute job before stopping work > has turned into an 8 hour nightmare with no sign of any solution. > > No one seems to be able to see what my problem is. All I've had in the > last 3.5 hours is either "calm down and fix your problem" or "rtm" or > being told to do something that's at least 4 steps past where the > installation got to. > > > The problem is this: I was stupid enough to believe the Macromedia docs > when they said CFMX could coexist on a winXPPRO system with CF5.0. When > it proved that it would work but only if you measure response times with > a calendar, I decided to bite the bullet and go for CFMX on my Dev > server rather than both servers. I removed the CFMX, and reinstalled > it according to the installation instructions on the Macromedia site. > Out of 11 steps, it got to step 7 and won't go further. NO one has > seemed to grasp this notion so far. > > > I think I am going to have to tear down all my CF server stuff, and > rebuild CF5.0 from scratch, then probably have to redo all my DSNs too > because last time I installed CF it broke all the DSN settings. It'll do > it again probably. Somehow I'll have to figure out which Macromedia > registry keys are for Fireworks, which for DWMX, which for FlashMX so I > can leave those there, and which are for CFMX and which for CF5.0. > > > I just apologise for having such a boring problem that no one wants to > bother with it any more. I tried to look in House of Fusion's archives > for IIs or CFMX but you get fifty gazillion entries. > > > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're one of the > inner circle on this list, its difficult
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I'll second Andres' sentiment... I'm a relative newbee to CF/web programming and greatly value the answers I get when the "experts" have the time to share their knowledge... it's a great resource. With most things in the tech field, a high level of patience and persistence is essential -Original Message- From: Andres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! I have been developing web systems using CF for a long time... and yet, i have A LOT more questions than answers, my ration of questions to answers may bt 10/1! I find this list invaluable in terms of doing every day development... i have learned massive amounts of tricks, shortcuts, and most importantly, BEST PRACTICES from the posts that people have introduced here. I thank everyone, even those like myself who have more questions than answers! Try to find a list as active and with members as willing to help each other for ASP, PHP, PERL, VB, C, or any other languange. Good Luck! that's all i have to say about that! andres -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > > > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're > > > one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to > > > get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because > > > it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years > > > as I learned about ColdFusion. > > > > I'm sorry that you feel this way. I don't really think > > it's an accurate statement. I do think that people tend > > to answer some questions before others, and install > > questions again are typically a bit more difficult. > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are > among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with > an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do > you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking > for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do > not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just > delete the message and do not reply at all. Well, for my own sake, as a frequent poster, I may be arrogant, but I don't think I'm ever rude beyond measure, so I'll assume that you're not directing your criticism at me. As far as that goes, you're a frequent poster on the list, and you don't seem especially rude either. I can think of a bunch of other frequent posters here, who I've never seen be rude or even arrogant. I would agree with your recommendation, though, about not replying if you don't have something positive or helpful. But, in all honesty, I think this list is a lot more friendly than most I've seen. > As one with quite bit of experience in building installar > packages with both WISE and InstallShield, it is a relative > no-brainer to build your install script to detect the > operating system, its current configuration, and then > offer a number of options for installation and configuraton > of your product. Software publishers do this quite often, > as a matter of fact. I agree that the CFMX installer could be better than it is. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that an install script for any server product would ever be a no-brainer, though. > Instead they focus on installing server products on single > homed servers only, and make the configuration of a multi > homed server (one that hosts more than one web site) an > exercise in hacking. Yes, I agree that the installer should expose this configuration option. However, it's hardly an "exercise in hacking". It's an edit of one word in a single text file. > They encourage the admin to contact Tech Support, but > require a credit card, even for free install support. > This is a cheap shot, is unecessary, and is neglectful > of your customers. As a result, MM has gained a reputaton > of having a Tech Support department that sucks big time. Really? They seem about average to me. Who would you point to as an example of a good tech support department? > Those of you who are Macromedia customers should also > adopt a higher lever of respect for your fellow journeymen, > and can the arrarogant, belittling, and insulting replies > to those who are desperately seeking help with obviously > broken software. I would agree that we should all treat each other with more respect, on this list and elsewhere. I don't agree that the software is "obviously broken" - it's complex, and like any other complex product, some people will have problems and run into trouble through no
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I have been developing web systems using CF for a long time... and yet, i have A LOT more questions than answers, my ration of questions to answers may bt 10/1! I find this list invaluable in terms of doing every day development... i have learned massive amounts of tricks, shortcuts, and most importantly, BEST PRACTICES from the posts that people have introduced here. I thank everyone, even those like myself who have more questions than answers! Try to find a list as active and with members as willing to help each other for ASP, PHP, PERL, VB, C, or any other languange. Good Luck! that's all i have to say about that! andres -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > > > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're > > > one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to > > > get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because > > > it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years > > > as I learned about ColdFusion. > > > > I'm sorry that you feel this way. I don't really think > > it's an accurate statement. I do think that people tend > > to answer some questions before others, and install > > questions again are typically a bit more difficult. > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are > among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with > an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do > you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking > for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do > not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just > delete the message and do not reply at all. Well, for my own sake, as a frequent poster, I may be arrogant, but I don't think I'm ever rude beyond measure, so I'll assume that you're not directing your criticism at me. As far as that goes, you're a frequent poster on the list, and you don't seem especially rude either. I can think of a bunch of other frequent posters here, who I've never seen be rude or even arrogant. I would agree with your recommendation, though, about not replying if you don't have something positive or helpful. But, in all honesty, I think this list is a lot more friendly than most I've seen. > As one with quite bit of experience in building installar > packages with both WISE and InstallShield, it is a relative > no-brainer to build your install script to detect the > operating system, its current configuration, and then > offer a number of options for installation and configuraton > of your product. Software publishers do this quite often, > as a matter of fact. I agree that the CFMX installer could be better than it is. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that an install script for any server product would ever be a no-brainer, though. > Instead they focus on installing server products on single > homed servers only, and make the configuration of a multi > homed server (one that hosts more than one web site) an > exercise in hacking. Yes, I agree that the installer should expose this configuration option. However, it's hardly an "exercise in hacking". It's an edit of one word in a single text file. > They encourage the admin to contact Tech Support, but > require a credit card, even for free install support. > This is a cheap shot, is unecessary, and is neglectful > of your customers. As a result, MM has gained a reputaton > of having a Tech Support department that sucks big time. Really? They seem about average to me. Who would you point to as an example of a good tech support department? > Those of you who are Macromedia customers should also > adopt a higher lever of respect for your fellow journeymen, > and can the arrarogant, belittling, and insulting replies > to those who are desperately seeking help with obviously > broken software. I would agree that we should all treat each other with more respect, on this list and elsewhere. I don't agree that the software is "obviously broken" - it's complex, and like any other complex product, some people will have problems and run into trouble through no fault of their own. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
While agree with ya on the pissers and moaners (WAY out of control)the inital poster chastised folks for not helpingwhen I offered help he didn't respond...he just kept posting that nobody would helpdoesn't really make me wanna help him ;-) But yes folksif ya ain't got somewthing nice to say...shut up! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "samcfug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > | > | > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're > | > one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to > | > get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because > | > it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years > | > as I learned about ColdFusion. > | > | I'm sorry that you feel this way. I don't really think it's an accurate > | statement. I do think that people tend to answer some questions before > | others, and install questions again are typically a bit more difficult. > | > > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are among the most > frequent posters on the list are infected with an arrogance and rudeness that is > beyond measure. Rarely do you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one > asking for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do not have > anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just delete the message and do > not reply at all. > > As one with quite bit of experience in building installar packages with both > WISE and InstallShield, it is a relative no-brainer to build your install script > to detect the operating system, its current configuration, and then offer a > number of options for installation and configuraton of your product. Software > publishers do this quite often, as a matter of fact. > > Macromedia on the other hand, does commit "dozens of developers" just to create > a beta version of a web site, butr cannot devote one to creating an intuitive > installer package, including the option of making a clean uninstall as well. > Instead they focus on installing server products on single homed servers only, > and make the configuration of a multi homed server (one that hosts more than one > web site) an exercise in hacking. They release extremely badly written and > deficient documentation, and then publish hot-fixes to the documentation or > separate documentation only after problems begin to show up.. They encourage > the admin to contact Tech Support, but require a credit card, even for free > install support. This is a cheap shot, is unecessary, and is neglectful of your > customers. As a result, MM has gained a reputaton of having a Tech Support > department that sucks big time. I suggest that Macromedia adopt a common sense > set of businss ethics and enforce them from the top on down., the sooner the > better. One item that should be in bold letters, is treat all customers with > respect or be subject to immediagte termination. They should bear in mind that > a system admin who spends days worth of unproductinve time is trying to > configure your software, is subject to being fired. > > Those of you who are Macromedia customers should also adopt a higher lever of > respect for your fellow journeymen, and can the arrarogant, belittling, and > insulting replies to those who are desperately seeking help with obviously > broken software. > > My .02. for a Friday. > > | > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Todd, This is my personal opinion, but: You, and everyone else on this does not owe Doug (or anyone else for that matter) anything. People on this list are taking time out of their day to help other developers. I personally appreciate it. I know that I learned most of what I know about web development by getting help from the community. So, to everyone on the list who is contributing and helping others out, thanks... mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Todd Rafferty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > At 06:37 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are > > > among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with > > > an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do > > > you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking > > > for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do > > > not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just > > > delete the message and do not reply at all. > > > >Well, for my own sake, as a frequent poster, I may be arrogant, but I don't > >think I'm ever rude beyond measure, so I'll assume that you're not directing > >your criticism at me. > > I think he was directing that at me and I apologize. I attempted to help > him out, but he went from asking a question to "goddamns" and panicked > emails in no time short. Hard to help out someone that won't calm down and > back up and look for steps and research and .. yadda yadda. I certainly > had nothing to do with the "goddamn" Macromedia documentation. Sure, the > manual said you can do it, but... if the manual said you could also jump > off a bridge, would you? There's always bound to be some problems and .. > CFMX is certainly disorienting (from an upgrade standpoint) and cumbersome > to get used, but once you figure out how to get things going from there, > it's all good. It certainly wasn't my decision to program the wsconfig the > way it is and ... I would hate to see what his opinion of setting up a java > environment/server is like because some of them are even worst than cfmx. > > But, anyway... sorry if I was rude, I guess I didn't calm him down > correctly and the fury (and frequency) of his emails wasn't making matters > better. > > ~Todd > > > -- > Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ > Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion > http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ > http://www.devmx.com/ > > -- > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I wonder what would have happened if he was trying to configure Tomcat... Now that's a bitch. - Original Message - From: Todd Rafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 4:49 pm Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > At 06:37 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are > > > among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with > > > an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do > > > you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking > > > for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do > > > not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just > > > delete the message and do not reply at all. > > > >Well, for my own sake, as a frequent poster, I may be arrogant, > but I don't > >think I'm ever rude beyond measure, so I'll assume that you're > not directing > >your criticism at me. > > I think he was directing that at me and I apologize. I attempted > to help > him out, but he went from asking a question to "goddamns" and > panicked > emails in no time short. Hard to help out someone that won't calm > down and > back up and look for steps and research and .. yadda yadda. I > certainly > had nothing to do with the "goddamn" Macromedia documentation. > Sure, the > manual said you can do it, but... if the manual said you could > also jump > off a bridge, would you? There's always bound to be some problems > and .. > CFMX is certainly disorienting (from an upgrade standpoint) and > cumbersome > to get used, but once you figure out how to get things going from > there, > it's all good. It certainly wasn't my decision to program the > wsconfig the > way it is and ... I would hate to see what his opinion of setting > up a java > environment/server is like because some of them are even worst > than cfmx. > > But, anyway... sorry if I was rude, I guess I didn't calm him down > correctly and the fury (and frequency) of his emails wasn't making > matters > better. > > ~Todd > > > -- > Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ > Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion > http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ > http://www.devmx.com/ > > -- > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
At 06:37 PM 3/7/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are > > among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with > > an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do > > you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking > > for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do > > not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just > > delete the message and do not reply at all. > >Well, for my own sake, as a frequent poster, I may be arrogant, but I don't >think I'm ever rude beyond measure, so I'll assume that you're not directing >your criticism at me. I think he was directing that at me and I apologize. I attempted to help him out, but he went from asking a question to "goddamns" and panicked emails in no time short. Hard to help out someone that won't calm down and back up and look for steps and research and .. yadda yadda. I certainly had nothing to do with the "goddamn" Macromedia documentation. Sure, the manual said you can do it, but... if the manual said you could also jump off a bridge, would you? There's always bound to be some problems and .. CFMX is certainly disorienting (from an upgrade standpoint) and cumbersome to get used, but once you figure out how to get things going from there, it's all good. It certainly wasn't my decision to program the wsconfig the way it is and ... I would hate to see what his opinion of setting up a java environment/server is like because some of them are even worst than cfmx. But, anyway... sorry if I was rude, I guess I didn't calm him down correctly and the fury (and frequency) of his emails wasn't making matters better. ~Todd -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
> > > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're > > > one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to > > > get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because > > > it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years > > > as I learned about ColdFusion. > > > > I'm sorry that you feel this way. I don't really think > > it's an accurate statement. I do think that people tend > > to answer some questions before others, and install > > questions again are typically a bit more difficult. > > IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are > among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with > an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do > you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking > for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do > not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just > delete the message and do not reply at all. Well, for my own sake, as a frequent poster, I may be arrogant, but I don't think I'm ever rude beyond measure, so I'll assume that you're not directing your criticism at me. As far as that goes, you're a frequent poster on the list, and you don't seem especially rude either. I can think of a bunch of other frequent posters here, who I've never seen be rude or even arrogant. I would agree with your recommendation, though, about not replying if you don't have something positive or helpful. But, in all honesty, I think this list is a lot more friendly than most I've seen. > As one with quite bit of experience in building installar > packages with both WISE and InstallShield, it is a relative > no-brainer to build your install script to detect the > operating system, its current configuration, and then > offer a number of options for installation and configuraton > of your product. Software publishers do this quite often, > as a matter of fact. I agree that the CFMX installer could be better than it is. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that an install script for any server product would ever be a no-brainer, though. > Instead they focus on installing server products on single > homed servers only, and make the configuration of a multi > homed server (one that hosts more than one web site) an > exercise in hacking. Yes, I agree that the installer should expose this configuration option. However, it's hardly an "exercise in hacking". It's an edit of one word in a single text file. > They encourage the admin to contact Tech Support, but > require a credit card, even for free install support. > This is a cheap shot, is unecessary, and is neglectful > of your customers. As a result, MM has gained a reputaton > of having a Tech Support department that sucks big time. Really? They seem about average to me. Who would you point to as an example of a good tech support department? > Those of you who are Macromedia customers should also > adopt a higher lever of respect for your fellow journeymen, > and can the arrarogant, belittling, and insulting replies > to those who are desperately seeking help with obviously > broken software. I would agree that we should all treat each other with more respect, on this list and elsewhere. I don't agree that the software is "obviously broken" - it's complex, and like any other complex product, some people will have problems and run into trouble through no fault of their own. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
| | > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're | > one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to | > get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because | > it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years | > as I learned about ColdFusion. | | I'm sorry that you feel this way. I don't really think it's an accurate | statement. I do think that people tend to answer some questions before | others, and install questions again are typically a bit more difficult. | IMHO he made a very accurate statement. Those of you who are among the most frequent posters on the list are infected with an arrogance and rudeness that is beyond measure. Rarely do you have anything to offer beyond belittling the one asking for assistance. I would strongly recommend that if you do not have anything positive to offer a fellow user, then just delete the message and do not reply at all. As one with quite bit of experience in building installar packages with both WISE and InstallShield, it is a relative no-brainer to build your install script to detect the operating system, its current configuration, and then offer a number of options for installation and configuraton of your product. Software publishers do this quite often, as a matter of fact. Macromedia on the other hand, does commit "dozens of developers" just to create a beta version of a web site, butr cannot devote one to creating an intuitive installer package, including the option of making a clean uninstall as well. Instead they focus on installing server products on single homed servers only, and make the configuration of a multi homed server (one that hosts more than one web site) an exercise in hacking. They release extremely badly written and deficient documentation, and then publish hot-fixes to the documentation or separate documentation only after problems begin to show up.. They encourage the admin to contact Tech Support, but require a credit card, even for free install support. This is a cheap shot, is unecessary, and is neglectful of your customers. As a result, MM has gained a reputaton of having a Tech Support department that sucks big time. I suggest that Macromedia adopt a common sense set of businss ethics and enforce them from the top on down., the sooner the better. One item that should be in bold letters, is treat all customers with respect or be subject to immediagte termination. They should bear in mind that a system admin who spends days worth of unproductinve time is trying to configure your software, is subject to being fired. Those of you who are Macromedia customers should also adopt a higher lever of respect for your fellow journeymen, and can the arrarogant, belittling, and insulting replies to those who are desperately seeking help with obviously broken software. My .02. for a Friday. | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Below is an easy step-by-step configuration approach for windows web server configuration. Applicable for IIS, Apache and iPlanet. Please ignore steps that do not apply. 1) Stop your web server. 2) Please uninstall CFMX, 3) Delete any registry key for HKLM\Software\Macromedia\ColdFusion, 4) Delete the and rename the CFIDE and CFDOCS from your IIS webroot. 5) Reboot your machine. 6) On reinstalling CFMX, please use the stand alone webserver that came with CFMX. 7) Try to access the CFMX Administrator on port 8500. 8) From your \Bin\Connectors folder, double click on the particular connector you wish to work with CFMX. If you receive an error stating that Jrun is not started, please close the DOS window and launch C:\CFusionMX\Bin\cfstart.bat then launch the _connector.bat again. 9) A directory C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\1, should have been created with jrun.dll for IIS, mod_jrun.so for Apache and jrun_nsapi35.dll inside the 1 directory. 10) Please verify from your CF documentation on what entries should have been created/inserted to Apache and Netscape conf files. For IIS, there might be a need to Map .cfm to C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\1\jrun.dll in your IIS console. To apply the instruction, please go to START > SETTINGS > CONTROL PANEL > ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS > INTERNET SERVICES MANAGER. Double click on the computer icon/name. Right click on the Default website, or onto the virtual site you need to define the mapping, and select properties. Click on the Home Directory tab and click on the Configuration button. This is where internet documents are mapped, by their extension, and this is where you will need to apply Step # 10. 11) If you did not delete or rename your old CFIDE and CFDOCS folders from your webroot, please rename/delete them now and copy the CFIDE and CFDOCS folders from \wwwroot to your webroot. 12) Try launching the CFMX Administrator using the port of your web server. Bryan Stevenson wrote: >Man I'd stop slagging people for not helping or not caring..it's not going >to get you any help. It could simply be that nobody has an answer for you. > >IMHO you should not install a new CF Server in the last 30 minutes of your >daythat's your oversight and not ours. > >Why did you want them to co-exist in the first place? > >Did you try and install CFMX to run through IIS along with CF 5 or did you >try and install it to run off the standalone server? AFAIK it can only >co-exist with previous CF versions if it runs through the standalone server. > >Have you tried tech support? > >Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >t. 250.920.8830 >e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- >Macromedia Associate Partner >www.macromedia.com >- >Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >Founder & Director >www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:10 AM >Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > > > > >>Well I think I have no choice but to give up. I have been trying to get >>someone to help with my problem for 3and a half hours now, and its >>after 5am Saturday. I still have a partial installation of CFMX. It >>doesn't work and nor does my previous CF5.0. What began at 9pm last >>night as what I thought would be a 20-30 minute job before stopping work >>has turned into an 8 hour nightmare with no sign of any solution. >> >>No one seems to be able to see what my problem is. All I've had in the >>last 3.5 hours is either "calm down and fix your problem" or "rtm" or >>being told to do something that's at least 4 steps past where the >>installation got to. >> >> >>The problem is this: I was stupid enough to believe the Macromedia docs >>when they said CFMX could coexist on a winXPPRO system with CF5.0. When >>it proved that it would work but only if you measure response times with >>a calendar, I decided to bite the bullet and go for CFMX on my Dev >>server rather than both servers. I removed the CFMX, and reinstalled >>it according to the installation instructions on the Macromedia site. >>Out of 11 steps, it got to step 7 and won't go further. NO one has >>seemed to grasp this notion so far. >> >> >>I think I am going to have to tear down all my CF server stuff, and >>rebuild CF5.0 from scratch, then probably have to redo all my DSNs too >>because last time I installed CF it broke all the DSN setting
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
> Well I think I have no choice but to give up. I have been > trying to get someone to help with my problem for 3 and a > half hours now, and its after 5am Saturday. I still have a > partial installation of CFMX. It doesn't work and nor does > my previous CF5.0. What began at 9pm last night as what I > thought would be a 20-30 minute job before stopping work > has turned into an 8 hour nightmare with no sign of any > solution. Did you try running those batch files, per my previous suggestion? If so, what happened? > The problem is this: I was stupid enough to believe the > Macromedia docs when they said CFMX could coexist on a > winXPPRO system with CF5.0. When it proved that it would > work but only if you measure response times with a calendar, > I decided to bite the bullet and go for CFMX on my Dev > server rather than both servers. I removed the CFMX, and > reinstalled it according to the installation instructions > on the Macromedia site. Out of 11 steps, it got to step 7 > and won't go further. NO one has seemed to grasp this notion > so far. No, you weren't stupid for believing the docs. They're correct, in fact. However, you have to be pretty careful if you want them to coexist, and it's easy enough to break either or both if you're not. I'm not familiar with these eleven steps, or the seventh step specifically; could you provide a bit more detail? > I think I am going to have to tear down all my CF server > stuff, and rebuild CF5.0 from scratch, then probably have > to redo all my DSNs too because last time I installed CF > it broke all the DSN settings. It'll do it again probably. > Somehow I'll have to figure out which Macromedia registry > keys are for Fireworks, which for DWMX, which for FlashMX > so I can leave those there, and which are for CFMX and > which for CF5.0. There aren't any registry keys for CFMX. The ones for CF 5 are mostly under HKLM\SOFTWARE\Allaire\ColdFusion, although there are some odds and ends under the Macromedia key also (they're not particularly important or useful). > I just apologise for having such a boring problem that > no one wants to bother with it any more. I tried to > look in House of Fusion's archives for IIs or CFMX but > you get fifty gazillion entries. It's not that your problem is boring, but rather that it's relatively complicated and detailed. It's much easier to answer code questions, generally. Figuring out install or permissions problems is a bit like trying to diagnose a problem with a car over the phone. > Does anyone have any idea how I can recover all the > settings I had in my CF5 now that the installation has > partially wrecked it? They're all in the registry, under the above-mentioned key. You can back up some or all of the key to a text file, and reimport some or all of it later. However, I doubt that your CF 5 install is in as bad a state as you might think - my guess is that it's simply been disconnected from the web server, and if you properly configure the web server again, it'll work. This would mean removing any CFMX configuration settings from your web server, then manually mapping the extension .cfm to \CFusion\BIN\ISCF.DLL. > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're > one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to > get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because > it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years > as I learned about ColdFusion. I'm sorry that you feel this way. I don't really think it's an accurate statement. I do think that people tend to answer some questions before others, and install questions again are typically a bit more difficult. > Now it's next-to-useless because it's all about CFMX, I > don't have CFMX, and it seems no one will help me GET > CFMX either. If you'd like, contact me offlist, and I'll see if I can help you out. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Man I'd stop slagging people for not helping or not caring..it's not going to get you any help. It could simply be that nobody has an answer for you. IMHO you should not install a new CF Server in the last 30 minutes of your daythat's your oversight and not ours. Why did you want them to co-exist in the first place? Did you try and install CFMX to run through IIS along with CF 5 or did you try and install it to run off the standalone server? AFAIK it can only co-exist with previous CF versions if it runs through the standalone server. Have you tried tech support? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > Well I think I have no choice but to give up. I have been trying to get > someone to help with my problem for 3and a half hours now, and its > after 5am Saturday. I still have a partial installation of CFMX. It > doesn't work and nor does my previous CF5.0. What began at 9pm last > night as what I thought would be a 20-30 minute job before stopping work > has turned into an 8 hour nightmare with no sign of any solution. > > No one seems to be able to see what my problem is. All I've had in the > last 3.5 hours is either "calm down and fix your problem" or "rtm" or > being told to do something that's at least 4 steps past where the > installation got to. > > > The problem is this: I was stupid enough to believe the Macromedia docs > when they said CFMX could coexist on a winXPPRO system with CF5.0. When > it proved that it would work but only if you measure response times with > a calendar, I decided to bite the bullet and go for CFMX on my Dev > server rather than both servers. I removed the CFMX, and reinstalled > it according to the installation instructions on the Macromedia site. > Out of 11 steps, it got to step 7 and won't go further. NO one has > seemed to grasp this notion so far. > > > I think I am going to have to tear down all my CF server stuff, and > rebuild CF5.0 from scratch, then probably have to redo all my DSNs too > because last time I installed CF it broke all the DSN settings. It'll do > it again probably. Somehow I'll have to figure out which Macromedia > registry keys are for Fireworks, which for DWMX, which for FlashMX so I > can leave those there, and which are for CFMX and which for CF5.0. > > > I just apologise for having such a boring problem that no one wants to > bother with it any more. I tried to look in House of Fusion's archives > for IIs or CFMX but you get fifty gazillion entries. > > > This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're one of the > inner circle on this list, its difficult to get a question answered. > I'm sorry about that because it has been a wonderful resource over the > last 3 years as I learned about ColdFusion. Now it's next-to-useless > because it's all about CFMX, I don't have CFMX, and it seems no one > will help me GET CFMX either. > > > SO back to CF5.0 I go I suppose. That's if I can actually get that to > work. > > > Does anyone have any idea how I can recover all the settings I had in my > CF5 now that the installation has partially wrecked it? > > > > Cheers, > Michael Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > AFP Webworks. > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 4:03 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > > Thank you for your advice. Right here its just gone 4am Saturday. I > started updating my server at 9pm Friday. All previous installations of > CF have been a 10 minute job. This time it's been hours. > > There is no one at Macromedia to ask at 4am on Saturdays. > > My servers are broken and I have a deadline that is now looking pretty > dubious and I want to get to bed sometime before dawn. All I was doing > was following the instructions in the docs that so many people have > referred me to. > > I am sorry I yelled, but I am not such an amateur that I would load > totally new software on a production server. > > > Thanks for your suggestion that I p
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Well I think I have no choice but to give up. I have been trying to get someone to help with my problem for 3and a half hours now, and its after 5am Saturday. I still have a partial installation of CFMX. It doesn't work and nor does my previous CF5.0. What began at 9pm last night as what I thought would be a 20-30 minute job before stopping work has turned into an 8 hour nightmare with no sign of any solution. No one seems to be able to see what my problem is. All I've had in the last 3.5 hours is either "calm down and fix your problem" or "rtm" or being told to do something that's at least 4 steps past where the installation got to. The problem is this: I was stupid enough to believe the Macromedia docs when they said CFMX could coexist on a winXPPRO system with CF5.0. When it proved that it would work but only if you measure response times with a calendar, I decided to bite the bullet and go for CFMX on my Dev server rather than both servers. I removed the CFMX, and reinstalled it according to the installation instructions on the Macromedia site. Out of 11 steps, it got to step 7 and won't go further. NO one has seemed to grasp this notion so far. I think I am going to have to tear down all my CF server stuff, and rebuild CF5.0 from scratch, then probably have to redo all my DSNs too because last time I installed CF it broke all the DSN settings. It'll do it again probably. Somehow I'll have to figure out which Macromedia registry keys are for Fireworks, which for DWMX, which for FlashMX so I can leave those there, and which are for CFMX and which for CF5.0. I just apologise for having such a boring problem that no one wants to bother with it any more. I tried to look in House of Fusion's archives for IIs or CFMX but you get fifty gazillion entries. This list is becoming very clique-plagued. Unless you're one of the inner circle on this list, its difficult to get a question answered. I'm sorry about that because it has been a wonderful resource over the last 3 years as I learned about ColdFusion. Now it's next-to-useless because it's all about CFMX, I don't have CFMX, and it seems no one will help me GET CFMX either. SO back to CF5.0 I go I suppose. That's if I can actually get that to work. Does anyone have any idea how I can recover all the settings I had in my CF5 now that the installation has partially wrecked it? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 4:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Thank you for your advice. Right here its just gone 4am Saturday. I started updating my server at 9pm Friday. All previous installations of CF have been a 10 minute job. This time it's been hours. There is no one at Macromedia to ask at 4am on Saturdays. My servers are broken and I have a deadline that is now looking pretty dubious and I want to get to bed sometime before dawn. All I was doing was following the instructions in the docs that so many people have referred me to. I am sorry I yelled, but I am not such an amateur that I would load totally new software on a production server. Thanks for your suggestion that I put a logical gameplan together. I started asking the question on this list when I realized that I had exhausted all the options in knew about. I thought perhaps some of you who had been through this before might help me. All anyone seems to want to do is either criticize me or tell me to RTFM. I'VE READ THE (*&*&^ MANUAL! IT DOESN'T HELP! The manual got me into this damn mess because it told me I could have both servers on the one system. So what exactly would your logical game plan be? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Thank you for your advice. Right here its just gone 4am Saturday. I started updating my server at 9pm Friday. All previous installations of CF have been a 10 minute job. This time it's been hours. There is no one at Macromedia to ask at 4am on Saturdays. My servers are broken and I have a deadline that is now looking pretty dubious and I want to get to bed sometime before dawn. All I was doing was following the instructions in the docs that so many people have referred me to. I am sorry I yelled, but I am not such an amateur that I would load totally new software on a production server. Thanks for your suggestion that I put a logical gameplan together. I started asking the question on this list when I realized that I had exhausted all the options in knew about. I thought perhaps some of you who had been through this before might help me. All anyone seems to want to do is either criticize me or tell me to RTFM. I'VE READ THE (*&*&^ MANUAL! IT DOESN'T HELP! The manual got me into this damn mess because it told me I could have both servers on the one system. So what exactly would your logical game plan be? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 3:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Mike, yelling and having a bitter tone in your posts does not help the situation. calm down, and get a logical gameplan together. you seem to be too worked up for a friday :-) -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! HEY!!! THIS IS NOT A PRODUCTION SERVER! ITS MY DEV SERVER! And I have been saying for about 10 posts now, I am following the goddamn release notes on the MM server (why they aren't sent with the download is a question I would like to know) but the installation falls over at step 7 of 11. Nothing helps me as to what to do next. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 3:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? > > > I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that > works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is > broken and my business is stopped. > Find the release notes on the MM site and follow them, but basically install CFMX as standalone and then connect CFMX to IIS or apache using the wsconfig command. That should get you back up and running fairly quickly. You really should have tried this on a non-productions system before you hit your live server with it. A friend of mine is currently writing up some distructions for installing CFMX on XP Home with Apache, but the rules are the same for most operating systems. When its written I'll let you know where you can find it... Regards Stephen = CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ Olymia Conference Centre, London 29-30 May 2003 Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Thanks Todd, you're not irritating me. But I seem to be going round and round and round and no one is actually reading what my problem is. I have clients who have CF5.0, and I have a hosting business, I'm about to move to CFMX. I read the docs and it said that CFMX would coexist with CF5.0. The installation routine said it would too. More fool me for believing what was written in the docs. Is there a list somewhere of the other docs that are not correct? Then I'll know which ones to follow and which ones to ignore. I work my business from my dev machine, and my hosting servers which are remote. They are production servers I don't do dev work on them. I don't really want to go paying for a whole new machine just so I can have both versions if the official documentation says they can coexist. My problem is that my installation has broken part way through. I can't go back because there is no provision to roll back in the installation package, and I don't want to ruin all the settings I had in my previous version unless I have to. I can't go forward because there is no JRun server installed. I don't know where that gets installed from and no one will tell me. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 3:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Well, I would help out more but it seems all I'm doing is irritating you based on your previous emails. I would suggest getting your CF5 server back to normal and I would suggest installing CFMX on a seperate machine. I think the biggest issue is "I uninstalled CFMX that was installed to coexist with CF5." Quit co-existing things. I doubt IIS wants to talk to 2 coldfusion processes unless you're able to point off a different port for the CFMX server to respond on, etc. ~Todd At 03:08 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Well thanks Todd, I'll have a go, 'cepting that was more or less what I >was doing already. > >I backed up. >I uninstalled CFMX that was installed to coexist with CF5. >I installed as a standalone server (it took about 20 minutes, including >a 10 minute period when it seemed to be doing nothing at all) >I couldn't login and verify because it doesn't (*&%#$% work > >And there I am stuck. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Mike, yelling and having a bitter tone in your posts does not help the situation. calm down, and get a logical gameplan together. you seem to be too worked up for a friday :-) -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! HEY!!! THIS IS NOT A PRODUCTION SERVER! ITS MY DEV SERVER! And I have been saying for about 10 posts now, I am following the goddamn release notes on the MM server (why they aren't sent with the download is a question I would like to know) but the installation falls over at step 7 of 11. Nothing helps me as to what to do next. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 3:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? > > > I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that > works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is > broken and my business is stopped. > Find the release notes on the MM site and follow them, but basically install CFMX as standalone and then connect CFMX to IIS or apache using the wsconfig command. That should get you back up and running fairly quickly. You really should have tried this on a non-productions system before you hit your live server with it. A friend of mine is currently writing up some distructions for installing CFMX on XP Home with Apache, but the rules are the same for most operating systems. When its written I'll let you know where you can find it... Regards Stephen = CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ Olymia Conference Centre, London 29-30 May 2003 Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Isn't MM support free during installation (or did that change with MX)? Michael Kear writes: > HEY!!! THIS IS NOT A PRODUCTION SERVER! ITS MY DEV SERVER! > > And I have been saying for about 10 posts now, I am following the > goddamn release notes on the MM server (why they aren't sent with the > download is a question I would like to know) but the installation falls > over at step 7 of 11. > > Nothing helps me as to what to do next. > > > Cheers, > Michael Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > AFP Webworks. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 3:00 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > >> Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? >> >> >> I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that >> works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is >> broken and my business is stopped. >> > > Find the release notes on the MM site and follow them, but basically > install > CFMX as standalone and then connect CFMX to IIS or apache using the > wsconfig > command. That should get you back up and running fairly quickly. > > You really should have tried this on a non-productions system before you > hit > your live server with it. > > A friend of mine is currently writing up some distructions for > installing > CFMX on XP Home with Apache, but the rules are the same for most > operating > systems. When its written I'll let you know where you can find it... > > Regards > > Stephen > = > CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ > Olymia Conference Centre, London > 29-30 May 2003 > Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel > Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Well, I would help out more but it seems all I'm doing is irritating you based on your previous emails. I would suggest getting your CF5 server back to normal and I would suggest installing CFMX on a seperate machine. I think the biggest issue is "I uninstalled CFMX that was installed to coexist with CF5." Quit co-existing things. I doubt IIS wants to talk to 2 coldfusion processes unless you're able to point off a different port for the CFMX server to respond on, etc. ~Todd At 03:08 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Well thanks Todd, I'll have a go, 'cepting that was more or less what I >was doing already. > >I backed up. >I uninstalled CFMX that was installed to coexist with CF5. >I installed as a standalone server (it took about 20 minutes, including >a 10 minute period when it seemed to be doing nothing at all) >I couldn't login and verify because it doesn't (*&%#$% work > >And there I am stuck. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
HEY!!! THIS IS NOT A PRODUCTION SERVER! ITS MY DEV SERVER! And I have been saying for about 10 posts now, I am following the goddamn release notes on the MM server (why they aren't sent with the download is a question I would like to know) but the installation falls over at step 7 of 11. Nothing helps me as to what to do next. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 3:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! > Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? > > > I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that > works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is > broken and my business is stopped. > Find the release notes on the MM site and follow them, but basically install CFMX as standalone and then connect CFMX to IIS or apache using the wsconfig command. That should get you back up and running fairly quickly. You really should have tried this on a non-productions system before you hit your live server with it. A friend of mine is currently writing up some distructions for installing CFMX on XP Home with Apache, but the rules are the same for most operating systems. When its written I'll let you know where you can find it... Regards Stephen = CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ Olymia Conference Centre, London 29-30 May 2003 Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
> I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade my dev server > to CFMX. I downloaded the server from MM and set to installing > it. When I installed it to coexist with my already installed > CF5.0 server, it worked, but VERY slowly. > > So I removed it again and installed it this time to upgrade > my CF5 > > I realise this was a mistake, because now nothing works. > > In my wsconfig.log file, I see the following - does this tell > me what's the problem or is it a result of another problem? > What do I do now? > > HELP!! First, I'm not sure if you've already resolved your problem - if so, just disregard all this. Second, it sounds like the part which isn't working is the connection between CFMX and IIS. To create and manage this connection, you use a utility called wsconfig. On Windows, it's located in \CFusionMX\runtime\bin. If you just run it without any parameters, you'll get a little GUI. Or, if you know exactly what you want it to do, you can specify the appropriate parameters on the command line. In addition, there are several batch files that you can use to perform specific configuration actions. These batch files are in \CFusionMX\bin\connectors. I'd recommend that you first run the one named "Remove_ALL_connectors.bat", then the one named "IIS_connector.bat". This should remove any existing configuration information, then create a default IIS configuration that will affect all IIS virtual servers on your machine. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Well thanks Todd, I'll have a go, 'cepting that was more or less what I was doing already. I backed up. I uninstalled CFMX that was installed to coexist with CF5. I installed as a standalone server (it took about 20 minutes, including a 10 minute period when it seemed to be doing nothing at all) I couldn't login and verify because it doesn't (*&%#$% work And there I am stuck. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 2:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! I would back up. Uninstall CFMX Install it as a stand-alone server Login and Verify (http://localhost:8500/CFIDE/Administrator) Shut down CFMX Install Updater 2 Login and Verify (http://localhost:8500/CFIDE/Administrator) Finally when it's done, I would take a stab at running the wsconfig file or better yet, peek in your [installpath]:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors directory and run IIS_connector.bat ~Todd At 02:25 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? > >I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that >works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is >broken and my business is stopped. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I'm not sitting here thinking anything except working. :) But, I will say that some of the installation discussions has been rehashed about 1,000,000 times before you asked today. There's plenty of resources, you can search the House of Fusion forurms.. do a search for IIS and CFMX and you'll see plenty of other rants as well as resolution. Same with the Macromedia forums, and ... I sent you my own personal steps as well (previous email). Take a step back, take a deep breath... and fix the problem, step by step. ~Todd At 02:36 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I assumed that the docs that came with the product were the ones to >follow. Should I throw them away? > >Nothing in the entire process said I had to install any jsp. As you said >yourself, CFMX is a version of jrun anyway. Why would I think I had to >go to the Macromedia site to find a manual when there is megabytes of >docs installed with the package? > >I think you are sitting there looking at me thinking "serves you right >you stupid bugger" but I have only done what the download told me. And >now it's made a goddamn mess of my system. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
> Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? > > > I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that > works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is > broken and my business is stopped. > Find the release notes on the MM site and follow them, but basically install CFMX as standalone and then connect CFMX to IIS or apache using the wsconfig command. That should get you back up and running fairly quickly. You really should have tried this on a non-productions system before you hit your live server with it. A friend of mine is currently writing up some distructions for installing CFMX on XP Home with Apache, but the rules are the same for most operating systems. When its written I'll let you know where you can find it... Regards Stephen = CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/ Olymia Conference Centre, London 29-30 May 2003 Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel Discount tickets before March 14th 2003 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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To put it bluntly, yup. Or, you can look in your CFMX\Bin\connectors directory and there's a nice IIS_connector.bat file waiting for you to click on. ~Todd At 02:30 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Am I really supposed to be setting up IIs by running a command on the >command line? > >Cheers, >Michael Kear -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I would back up. Uninstall CFMX Install it as a stand-alone server Login and Verify (http://localhost:8500/CFIDE/Administrator) Shut down CFMX Install Updater 2 Login and Verify (http://localhost:8500/CFIDE/Administrator) Finally when it's done, I would take a stab at running the wsconfig file or better yet, peek in your [installpath]:\CFusionMX\bin\connectors directory and run IIS_connector.bat ~Todd At 02:25 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? > >I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that >works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is >broken and my business is stopped. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Looking at that installation instructions, the installation falls over at step 7 of 11. The administrator doesn't open. Because the server hasn't started becaue the jrun hasn't installed. Why doesn't this set of instructions tell me I have to go and configure my IIs? Looks like the installation instructions delivered with the download are completely different to these ones. There is nothing in that document about what to do if it fails. So, as I am desperately asking again and again what on earth can I do now? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 2:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Michael, Did you RTM? http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Installing_ColdFusion_MX/install ing5.jsp#1153948 ~Todd At 02:08 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thinking that the file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll >might be the problem, I tried to delete it and run the IIs config >command again, and maybe that will create the jrun.dll that seems to be >missing. But I can't delete the jrunwin32.dll because it's in use or >access is denied. > >Now what? I can't go forward, I can't go back. Oh great. And all the >dev copies of my sites are disabled now, I cant even get to any admin >areas of anything, and my PC's home page has gone because it's a CFM >page too. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I assumed that the docs that came with the product were the ones to follow. Should I throw them away? Nothing in the entire process said I had to install any jsp. As you said yourself, CFMX is a version of jrun anyway. Why would I think I had to go to the Macromedia site to find a manual when there is megabytes of docs installed with the package? I think you are sitting there looking at me thinking "serves you right you stupid bugger" but I have only done what the download told me. And now it's made a goddamn mess of my system. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 2:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Michael, Did you RTM? http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Installing_ColdFusion_MX/install ing5.jsp#1153948 ~Todd At 02:08 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thinking that the file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll >might be the problem, I tried to delete it and run the IIs config >command again, and maybe that will create the jrun.dll that seems to be >missing. But I can't delete the jrunwin32.dll because it's in use or >access is denied. > >Now what? I can't go forward, I can't go back. Oh great. And all the >dev copies of my sites are disabled now, I cant even get to any admin >areas of anything, and my PC's home page has gone because it's a CFM >page too. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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This is very prompt, Todd, but I'm afraid not informative at all. "abuse of wsconfig"??? who is abusing it? Or is it abusing me? What do you mean? Am I really supposed to be setting up IIs by running a command on the command line? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 2:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Welcome to the abuse of wsconfig. :) By the way, don't forget to download the CFMX Updater 2. ~Todd At 02:03 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I was amazed that the installation routine doesn't configure my IIs (I >use WinXPPro on the Dev server) and I have to do that manually. This >WSCONFIG.LOG file is generated when there are errors in the command to >set up IIs. Everything is a default installation, because the docs all >tell me how to set it up but not why to do anything, so its impossible >to change anything along the installation process. > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Thanks but what the (*&*&^ do I do now??? I have the updater, but I figure I have to have an installation that works - kinda - before I can update it. Right now everything is broken and my business is stopped. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 2:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! Welcome to the abuse of wsconfig. :) By the way, don't forget to download the CFMX Updater 2. ~Todd At 02:03 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I was amazed that the installation routine doesn't configure my IIs (I >use WinXPPro on the Dev server) and I have to do that manually. This >WSCONFIG.LOG file is generated when there are errors in the command to >set up IIs. Everything is a default installation, because the docs all >tell me how to set it up but not why to do anything, so its impossible >to change anything along the installation process. > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Michael, Did you RTM? http://livedocs.macromedia.com/cfmxdocs/Installing_ColdFusion_MX/installing5.jsp#1153948 ~Todd At 02:08 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >Thinking that the file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll >might be the problem, I tried to delete it and run the IIs config >command again, and maybe that will create the jrun.dll that seems to be >missing. But I can't delete the jrunwin32.dll because it's in use or >access is denied. > >Now what? I can't go forward, I can't go back. Oh great. And all the >dev copies of my sites are disabled now, I cant even get to any admin >areas of anything, and my PC's home page has gone because it's a CFM >page too. > >Cheers, >Michael Kear -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Welcome to the abuse of wsconfig. :) By the way, don't forget to download the CFMX Updater 2. ~Todd At 02:03 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I was amazed that the installation routine doesn't configure my IIs (I >use WinXPPro on the Dev server) and I have to do that manually. This >WSCONFIG.LOG file is generated when there are errors in the command to >set up IIs. Everything is a default installation, because the docs all >tell me how to set it up but not why to do anything, so its impossible >to change anything along the installation process. > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
Thinking that the file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll might be the problem, I tried to delete it and run the IIs config command again, and maybe that will create the jrun.dll that seems to be missing. But I can't delete the jrunwin32.dll because it's in use or access is denied. Now what? I can't go forward, I can't go back. Oh great. And all the dev copies of my sites are disabled now, I cant even get to any admin areas of anything, and my PC's home page has gone because it's a CFM page too. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 1:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! IS there any reason you can see why my installation would have failed? I guess I could completely remove all traces of CF5 and CFMX and start again from fresh, but then I'll have to set up all my DSNs and mappings etc all over again. The install log itself says \ [quote] Summary --- Installation: Successful. 26 SUCCESSES 0 WARNINGS 0 NONFATAL ERRORS 0 FATAL ERRORS [/quote] But when I look at the docs (which is the only part of this whole thing that works because the server's not working and the administrator is a .cfm file) I'm told to run a command in Start>run to set up the java mappings, and appartently a file called jrun.dll wasn't generated. The WSCONFIG.LOG file also says: [quote] 08/03 01:02:22 debug File C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll newer than JAR file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig.jar so not extracted [/quote] Can I recover this mess any way that you can see? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 1:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! CFMX Server is a scaled down version of JRUN. Think, "JRUN LIGHT" or so. Kind of old news tho. What can we do to further help you out? ~Todd At 01:36 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade my dev server to CFMX. >I downloaded the server from MM and set to installing it. When I >installed it to coexist with my already installed CF5.0 server, it >worked, but VERY slowly. > >So I removed it again and installed it this time to upgrade my CF5 > >I realise this was a mistake, because now nothing works. > >In my wsconfig.log file, I see the following - does this tell me what's >the problem or is it a result of another problem? What do I do now? > >HELP!! > >Here's what the wsconfig.log file says: >[quote] >Created by JRun on 08/03 00:46:05 >08/03 00:46:05 info Macromedia JRun 4 (Build 47304) >08/03 00:46:05 error Could not connect to any JRun servers on host >localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstallerException: Could not connect >to any JRun servers on host localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.findServers(CIJndi.java:343) > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.(CIJndi.java:87) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.parseArgs(ConnectorInstalle r >.java:153) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.(ConnectorInstaller.j a >va:70) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.main(ConnectorInstaller.jav a >:454) >[/quote] > >Where did I have to install any jRUN server? > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I was amazed that the installation routine doesn't configure my IIs (I use WinXPPro on the Dev server) and I have to do that manually. This WSCONFIG.LOG file is generated when there are errors in the command to set up IIs. Everything is a default installation, because the docs all tell me how to set it up but not why to do anything, so its impossible to change anything along the installation process. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 1:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! IS there any reason you can see why my installation would have failed? I guess I could completely remove all traces of CF5 and CFMX and start again from fresh, but then I'll have to set up all my DSNs and mappings etc all over again. The install log itself says \ [quote] Summary --- Installation: Successful. 26 SUCCESSES 0 WARNINGS 0 NONFATAL ERRORS 0 FATAL ERRORS [/quote] But when I look at the docs (which is the only part of this whole thing that works because the server's not working and the administrator is a .cfm file) I'm told to run a command in Start>run to set up the java mappings, and appartently a file called jrun.dll wasn't generated. The WSCONFIG.LOG file also says: [quote] 08/03 01:02:22 debug File C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll newer than JAR file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig.jar so not extracted [/quote] Can I recover this mess any way that you can see? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 1:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! CFMX Server is a scaled down version of JRUN. Think, "JRUN LIGHT" or so. Kind of old news tho. What can we do to further help you out? ~Todd At 01:36 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade my dev server to CFMX. >I downloaded the server from MM and set to installing it. When I >installed it to coexist with my already installed CF5.0 server, it >worked, but VERY slowly. > >So I removed it again and installed it this time to upgrade my CF5 > >I realise this was a mistake, because now nothing works. > >In my wsconfig.log file, I see the following - does this tell me what's >the problem or is it a result of another problem? What do I do now? > >HELP!! > >Here's what the wsconfig.log file says: >[quote] >Created by JRun on 08/03 00:46:05 >08/03 00:46:05 info Macromedia JRun 4 (Build 47304) >08/03 00:46:05 error Could not connect to any JRun servers on host >localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstallerException: Could not connect >to any JRun servers on host localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.findServers(CIJndi.java:343) > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.(CIJndi.java:87) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.parseArgs(ConnectorInstalle r >.java:153) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.(ConnectorInstaller.j a >va:70) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.main(ConnectorInstaller.jav a >:454) >[/quote] > >Where did I have to install any jRUN server? > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
IS there any reason you can see why my installation would have failed? I guess I could completely remove all traces of CF5 and CFMX and start again from fresh, but then I'll have to set up all my DSNs and mappings etc all over again. The install log itself says \ [quote] Summary --- Installation: Successful. 26 SUCCESSES 0 WARNINGS 0 NONFATAL ERRORS 0 FATAL ERRORS [/quote] But when I look at the docs (which is the only part of this whole thing that works because the server's not working and the administrator is a .cfm file) I'm told to run a command in Start>run to set up the java mappings, and appartently a file called jrun.dll wasn't generated. The WSCONFIG.LOG file also says: [quote] 08/03 01:02:22 debug File C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig\jrunwin32.dll newer than JAR file C:\CFusionMX\runtime\lib\wsconfig.jar so not extracted [/quote] Can I recover this mess any way that you can see? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2003 1:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!! CFMX Server is a scaled down version of JRUN. Think, "JRUN LIGHT" or so. Kind of old news tho. What can we do to further help you out? ~Todd At 01:36 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade my dev server to CFMX. >I downloaded the server from MM and set to installing it. When I >installed it to coexist with my already installed CF5.0 server, it >worked, but VERY slowly. > >So I removed it again and installed it this time to upgrade my CF5 > >I realise this was a mistake, because now nothing works. > >In my wsconfig.log file, I see the following - does this tell me what's >the problem or is it a result of another problem? What do I do now? > >HELP!! > >Here's what the wsconfig.log file says: >[quote] >Created by JRun on 08/03 00:46:05 >08/03 00:46:05 info Macromedia JRun 4 (Build 47304) >08/03 00:46:05 error Could not connect to any JRun servers on host >localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstallerException: Could not connect >to any JRun servers on host localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.findServers(CIJndi.java:343) > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.(CIJndi.java:87) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.parseArgs(ConnectorInstalle r >.java:153) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.(ConnectorInstaller.j a >va:70) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.main(ConnectorInstaller.jav a >:454) >[/quote] > >Where did I have to install any jRUN server? > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
CFMX Server is a scaled down version of JRUN. Think, "JRUN LIGHT" or so. Kind of old news tho. What can we do to further help you out? ~Todd At 01:36 AM 3/8/2003 +1100, you wrote: >I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade my dev server to CFMX. >I downloaded the server from MM and set to installing it. When I >installed it to coexist with my already installed CF5.0 server, it >worked, but VERY slowly. > >So I removed it again and installed it this time to upgrade my CF5 > >I realise this was a mistake, because now nothing works. > >In my wsconfig.log file, I see the following - does this tell me what's >the problem or is it a result of another problem? What do I do now? > >HELP!! > >Here's what the wsconfig.log file says: >[quote] >Created by JRun on 08/03 00:46:05 >08/03 00:46:05 info Macromedia JRun 4 (Build 47304) >08/03 00:46:05 error Could not connect to any JRun servers on host >localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstallerException: Could not connect >to any JRun servers on host localhost. >Confirm that the JRun server is started. > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.findServers(CIJndi.java:343) > at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.(CIJndi.java:87) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.parseArgs(ConnectorInstaller >.java:153) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.(ConnectorInstaller.ja >va:70) > at >jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.main(ConnectorInstaller.java >:454) >[/quote] > >Where did I have to install any jRUN server? > > >Cheers, >Michael Kear >Windsor, NSW, Australia >AFP Webworks. -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ http://www.devmx.com/ -- ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Installation problem with MX - HELP!!
I finally bit the bullet and decided to upgrade my dev server to CFMX. I downloaded the server from MM and set to installing it. When I installed it to coexist with my already installed CF5.0 server, it worked, but VERY slowly. So I removed it again and installed it this time to upgrade my CF5 I realise this was a mistake, because now nothing works. In my wsconfig.log file, I see the following - does this tell me what's the problem or is it a result of another problem? What do I do now? HELP!! Here's what the wsconfig.log file says: [quote] Created by JRun on 08/03 00:46:05 08/03 00:46:05 info Macromedia JRun 4 (Build 47304) 08/03 00:46:05 error Could not connect to any JRun servers on host localhost. Confirm that the JRun server is started. jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstallerException: Could not connect to any JRun servers on host localhost. Confirm that the JRun server is started. at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.findServers(CIJndi.java:343) at jrunx.connectorinstaller.CIJndi.(CIJndi.java:87) at jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.parseArgs(ConnectorInstaller .java:153) at jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.(ConnectorInstaller.ja va:70) at jrunx.connectorinstaller.ConnectorInstaller.main(ConnectorInstaller.java :454) [/quote] Where did I have to install any jRUN server? Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
