RE: ergonomics
Sorry to be coming in on this late, but I've been traveling. I just got back from Grand Rapids, Michigan which is home to Steelcase, Herman Miller, and Knoll - three of the best ergonomic office furniture makers in North America. Both Steelcase (tools insights section) and Herman Miller have research studies on their websites which are good reads. I would definitely check those out. I'm a big proponent of ergonomics so I'll throw out my suggestions...I know there are more extreme examples, but these are my preferences that blend ergo and style. My favorites Desks Biomorph desks - http://www.biomorphdesk.com/ Anthro carts - http://www.anthro.com/ * look at the adjustable versions Chairs Leap chair - http://www.steelcase.com/ Aeron chair - http://hermanmiller.com/ Freedom chair - http://www.humanscale.com/products/freedom_chair.cfm Mouse, Keyboard, etc Logitech wireless mouse DataHand Ergoport - http://www.datahand.com/products/ergoport.htm DataHand keyboard - http://www.datahand.com/products/personal.htm Lighting To reduce the strain on your eyes, stand on your desk and remove the fluorescent tubes. Then get yourself a nice task light. On a personal note, I know what you're going through; I had tendonitis when I was 16 from the effects of playing marching percussion for many years. It took a wrist brace, a one month hiatus from drumming, and learning how to approach the drum differently to resolve my problem. At 26, I can still feel when problems are starting to brew, but I now know when to lay off for a while. Unfortunately, you have to work to pay the bills, so do what you need to do to help yourself. Yeah, a $1,000+ for a chair or keyboard sounds like a lot, but think of how much income you will lose if you can't work. I see that as a small price to pay, and definitely worth every penny. Good luck! Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
thanks for the insight ryan, it seems to be an oft overlooked facet of our lives, but something that has started to wear on me and something that I thought our cf community could benefit from!!! later. tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Sorry to be coming in on this late, but I've been traveling. I just got back from Grand Rapids, Michigan which is home to Steelcase, Herman Miller, and Knoll - three of the best ergonomic office furniture makers in North America. Both Steelcase (tools insights section) and Herman Miller have research studies on their websites which are good reads. I would definitely check those out. I'm a big proponent of ergonomics so I'll throw out my suggestions...I know there are more extreme examples, but these are my preferences that blend ergo and style. My favorites Desks Biomorph desks - http://www.biomorphdesk.com/ Anthro carts - http://www.anthro.com/ * look at the adjustable versions Chairs Leap chair - http://www.steelcase.com/ Aeron chair - http://hermanmiller.com/ Freedom chair - http://www.humanscale.com/products/freedom_chair.cfm Mouse, Keyboard, etc Logitech wireless mouse DataHand Ergoport - http://www.datahand.com/products/ergoport.htm DataHand keyboard - http://www.datahand.com/products/personal.htm Lighting To reduce the strain on your eyes, stand on your desk and remove the fluorescent tubes. Then get yourself a nice task light. On a personal note, I know what you're going through; I had tendonitis when I was 16 from the effects of playing marching percussion for many years. It took a wrist brace, a one month hiatus from drumming, and learning how to approach the drum differently to resolve my problem. At 26, I can still feel when problems are starting to brew, but I now know when to lay off for a while. Unfortunately, you have to work to pay the bills, so do what you need to do to help yourself. Yeah, a $1,000+ for a chair or keyboard sounds like a lot, but think of how much income you will lose if you can't work. I see that as a small price to pay, and definitely worth every penny. Good luck! Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ergonomics
I have an Aeron at home, and it's terrific. Highly adjustable and the weave instead of leather or cushioning keeps you cool. It lasts, too - I've had it for three years at least, and all I've had to do is dust it, and it's used every day. They're expensive, but definitely the best office chair I've ever sat in. - Jim Ryan Kime wrote: Sorry to be coming in on this late, but I've been traveling. I just got back from Grand Rapids, Michigan which is home to Steelcase, Herman Miller, and Knoll - three of the best ergonomic office furniture makers in North America. Both Steelcase (tools insights section) and Herman Miller have research studies on their websites which are good reads. I would definitely check those out. I'm a big proponent of ergonomics so I'll throw out my suggestions...I know there are more extreme examples, but these are my preferences that blend ergo and style. My favorites Desks Biomorph desks - http://www.biomorphdesk.com/ Anthro carts - http://www.anthro.com/ * look at the adjustable versions Chairs Leap chair - http://www.steelcase.com/ Aeron chair - http://hermanmiller.com/ Freedom chair - http://www.humanscale.com/products/freedom_chair.cfm Mouse, Keyboard, etc Logitech wireless mouse DataHand Ergoport - http://www.datahand.com/products/ergoport.htm DataHand keyboard - http://www.datahand.com/products/personal.htm Lighting To reduce the strain on your eyes, stand on your desk and remove the fluorescent tubes. Then get yourself a nice task light. On a personal note, I know what you're going through; I had tendonitis when I was 16 from the effects of playing marching percussion for many years. It took a wrist brace, a one month hiatus from drumming, and learning how to approach the drum differently to resolve my problem. At 26, I can still feel when problems are starting to brew, but I now know when to lay off for a while. Unfortunately, you have to work to pay the bills, so do what you need to do to help yourself. Yeah, a $1,000+ for a chair or keyboard sounds like a lot, but think of how much income you will lose if you can't work. I see that as a small price to pay, and definitely worth every penny. Good luck! Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
Which one you got ? WG -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2003 16:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ergonomics I have an Aeron at home, and it's terrific. Highly adjustable and the weave instead of leather or cushioning keeps you cool. It lasts, too - I've had it for three years at least, and all I've had to do is dust it, and it's used every day. They're expensive, but definitely the best office chair I've ever sat in. - Jim Ryan Kime wrote: Sorry to be coming in on this late, but I've been traveling. I just got back from Grand Rapids, Michigan which is home to Steelcase, Herman Miller, and Knoll - three of the best ergonomic office furniture makers in North America. Both Steelcase (tools insights section) and Herman Miller have research studies on their websites which are good reads. I would definitely check those out. I'm a big proponent of ergonomics so I'll throw out my suggestions...I know there are more extreme examples, but these are my preferences that blend ergo and style. My favorites Desks Biomorph desks - http://www.biomorphdesk.com/ Anthro carts - http://www.anthro.com/ * look at the adjustable versions Chairs Leap chair - http://www.steelcase.com/ Aeron chair - http://hermanmiller.com/ Freedom chair - http://www.humanscale.com/products/freedom_chair.cfm Mouse, Keyboard, etc Logitech wireless mouse DataHand Ergoport - http://www.datahand.com/products/ergoport.htm DataHand keyboard - http://www.datahand.com/products/personal.htm Lighting To reduce the strain on your eyes, stand on your desk and remove the fluorescent tubes. Then get yourself a nice task light. On a personal note, I know what you're going through; I had tendonitis when I was 16 from the effects of playing marching percussion for many years. It took a wrist brace, a one month hiatus from drumming, and learning how to approach the drum differently to resolve my problem. At 26, I can still feel when problems are starting to brew, but I now know when to lay off for a while. Unfortunately, you have to work to pay the bills, so do what you need to do to help yourself. Yeah, a $1,000+ for a chair or keyboard sounds like a lot, but think of how much income you will lose if you can't work. I see that as a small price to pay, and definitely worth every penny. Good luck! Ryan Kime -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
Tony Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help! I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the desk space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work. Kola -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 July 2003 21:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics I've experienced the same thing, Ben. I've got big ol' meathooks, but the don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of time typing prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking for all those weird programming keys, I'm fine. I think it's directly tied to when I have my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still. When I'm floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Is he making fun of my glasses? Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway. I type wrong. I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it is. My hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home row I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving above the keyboard like I'm casting a spell. I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing was exactly right. Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused by the hands and wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles. According to her, the key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they aren't ever stuck in the same position for hours on end. I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know. :-\ -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this : and this is what happens : : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : -Original Message- : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is : shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer helped : me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are : seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning time to : get the hang of it if you're not used to it. : : Erik Yowell : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.shortfusemedia.com : : : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: ot: ergonomics : : hey all. : : listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. : : my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt : these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, : ibuprofen, etc...) : and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does : anyone : have : or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is : starting to hurt and this sucks : : thanks : : tony : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : : ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
ibuprofen doesn't do anything, even the horse pill size ones the 800mg ones!!! im trying vioxx tho', and ill let u know! what I am going to purchase is this... a wireless mouse, that will work ambidextrously...and a microsoft natural keyboard, those two fixes, seem to go across the board, as the most promising things to try! stan winchester, has one heck of a contraption setup @ his office, if he sends you his url...you can see it...it looks like it is 100% ready and waiting for some tired aching hands...wow! anyhow, this seems like a problem across the board, a lot of developers on here, well, I say a lot, but not too many, are having some of the same issues...dave watts, ben, sean...what about you guys...been coding a while? what are your remedies? tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Tony Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help! I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the desk space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work. Kola -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 July 2003 21:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics I've experienced the same thing, Ben. I've got big ol' meathooks, but the don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of time typing prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking for all those weird programming keys, I'm fine. I think it's directly tied to when I have my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still. When I'm floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Is he making fun of my glasses? Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway. I type wrong. I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it is. My hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home row I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving above the keyboard like I'm casting a spell. I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing was exactly right. Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused by the hands and wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles. According to her, the key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they aren't ever stuck in the same position for hours on end. I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know. :-\ -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this : and this is what happens : : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : -Original Message- : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is : shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer helped : me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are : seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning time to : get the hang of it if you're not used to it. : : Erik Yowell : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.shortfusemedia.com : : : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: ot: ergonomics : : hey all. : : listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. : : my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt : these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, : ibuprofen, etc
RE: ergonomics
Also... A couple of the guys here have wrist related problems and use Dragon speech software. They have it trained up quite well but my understanding is it takes a while to reach this level. Its also context sensitive so while its good a guessing what you said in a typical English sentence, I struggled to train it to write cfset! If you have the patience (which I haven't) you may be able to get it up to an acceptable speed level (Depending on how fast you type). Kola -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 July 2003 14:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics ibuprofen doesn't do anything, even the horse pill size ones the 800mg ones!!! im trying vioxx tho', and ill let u know! what I am going to purchase is this... a wireless mouse, that will work ambidextrously...and a microsoft natural keyboard, those two fixes, seem to go across the board, as the most promising things to try! stan winchester, has one heck of a contraption setup @ his office, if he sends you his url...you can see it...it looks like it is 100% ready and waiting for some tired aching hands...wow! anyhow, this seems like a problem across the board, a lot of developers on here, well, I say a lot, but not too many, are having some of the same issues...dave watts, ben, sean...what about you guys...been coding a while? what are your remedies? tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Tony Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help! I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the desk space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work. Kola -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 July 2003 21:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics I've experienced the same thing, Ben. I've got big ol' meathooks, but the don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of time typing prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking for all those weird programming keys, I'm fine. I think it's directly tied to when I have my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still. When I'm floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Is he making fun of my glasses? Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway. I type wrong. I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it is. My hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home row I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving above the keyboard like I'm casting a spell. I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing was exactly right. Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused by the hands and wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles. According to her, the key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they aren't ever stuck in the same position for hours on end. I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know. :-\ -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this : and this is what happens : : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : -Original Message- : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is : shot - Switching
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Here's some general office setup ergonomics information that I copied off of our ergonomics department intranet site. Chair Seatpan height should be set at a height that positions the upper legs parallel with the floor while both feet are flat on the floor or on a footrest. Both feet should be firmly on the floor or footrest to provide a solid base for the seated body. If a footrest is used, it should be approximately the same size as the seatpan. It should have a non-slip surface and stand firmly on the floor. If the feet are not solidly positioned, the body will compensate with the muscles of the lower back and may cause stress. Sit all the way to the back of the seatpan to get the maximum back support. With the back against the vertical seat cushion, there should be at least an inch of clearance between the front of the seatpan cushion and the back of the knees. This will prevent cutting off of the blood supply to the lower legs. The width of the seatpan should accommodate the width of the individual without undue pressure from the armrests. The seatback cushion should be adjusted to a height that fits the natural curve of the lower back. When a person sits, the natural curve of the backbone straightens, causing stress to the disks in the back. The seatback encourages the natural curve of the back and reduces stress. The lumbar support should be centered 9 to 10 inches above the lowest point on the seat. The angle between the seatpan and seatback should be 100 to 120 degrees. Armrests should be set to just below the elbow height. The arms should not rest on the armrests while using the keyboard but can rest when pausing. Armrests should be adjustable for both height and width. Keyboard and Mouse Sit in the chair with the shoulders relaxed, and the arms to the side of the body. Forearms should be positioned parallel with the floor with the wrists in a neutral or straight posture. Fingertips should then just touch the second row of keys. Rear of the keyboard should be slightly lower than the front for a negative angle. This promotes a neutral or straight wrist position that minimizes stress. Small feet under the rear of the keyboard should not be used as they can cause the wrists to be positioned awkwardly causing stress. Wrist rest in front of the keyboard should be used to encourage the wrists to be positioned in a neutral posture. The wrists should not be placed on the wrist rest while keying in data, but can be rested during pauses. Mouse should be at the same height and either on the left or right side of the keyboard depending on the handedness of the individual. If the keyboard is on an adjustable height tray, the mouse should be located on the end of the tray or on a small platform at the end of the tray. If the available space is limited and the number pad is used infrequently, a small raised platform can be positioned over that end of the keyboard for the mouse. This will eliminate the extended reaches to the desktop with the mouse and avoid stress to the back. Monitor Monitor should be directly in front of the body with the eye-to-screen distance between 16 to 28 inches. Top of the screen should be at or slightly below eye level. The focus point of the eyes determines the distance from the eyes to the screen. Keeping the eyes within close focus range will reduce the requirement for the eyes to refocus when looking between a document and the screen. Constant refocusing causes eyes to tire. Normal blink rate for the eyes is 22 times each minute. When you concentrate on the computer screen, your blink rate drops to 7 times per minute causing the eyes to become dry and irritated. You should consciously blink your eyes to keep the eyeball wet and reduce dryness. Top of the screen should be tilted from 5 degrees forward to 15 degrees backward to help eliminate screen reflections. Tilting the top of the monitor slightly forward from the vertical will usually direct glare from overhead lighting down rather than into your eyes. Phone The telephone should be positioned on the right or left side of the work surface depending on the hand that is used to answer the phone. If the left hand normally picks up the phone while the right hand writes, the phone should be on the left side, and vice versa. Recommended maximum reach distance from the seated position should be no more than 16 inches. As you reach across your body, the outward reach distance drops dramatically to 6 inches. If the reach for the phone is across the body, it is an indicator that the phone may be on the wrong side as it causes twisting of the back. Phone should not be held between the shoulder and neck. This causes extreme stress to the neck and upper back. If the telephone use is less than 20 percent of the workday, holding the phone in the hand while talking is acceptable. If phone use is greater than 20 percent, a headset
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The last picture of you strapped in looks like you are ready for takeoff! On the serious side though, an old coworker of mine used something similar and that is the only way she could work... too painful otherwise. - Original Message - From: Stan Winchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: ergonomics Take a look at what I've done: http://www.aftershockweb.com/desk/ I showed this to Tony yesterday, and I love this setup! The Kinesis keyboard took a while to get used to, and it is not cheap, but it is the best keyboard I've ever used! I will NEVER go back to a regular keyboard. Stan Tony Think I'm in the same boat, except Ibuprofen didn't help! I'd second Barney's advice about having the elbows higher than the desk space. When using my laptop at home I have it much lower than my work desk I find I rarely get the wrist aches and pains I get at work. Kola ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I had just stumbled across this.. tempting.. I thought I would post it here. http://www.hotproductoutlet.com/products/chillow/csooth.htm Mosh Teitelbaum wrote: I've never tried one of these but, with the arthritis in my knees (damn sports injuries), I'm not allowed to sit with my legs anywhere under my butt. My legs have to be extended out in front of me or I risk further screwing up my knees. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Mike Mertsock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ergonomics Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Too many blinkies on that site! I never buy from companies with lots of blinkies :P - Calvin - Original Message - From: Jason Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: ergonomics I had just stumbled across this.. tempting.. I thought I would post it here. http://www.hotproductoutlet.com/products/chillow/csooth.htm Mosh Teitelbaum wrote: I've never tried one of these but, with the arthritis in my knees (damn sports injuries), I'm not allowed to sit with my legs anywhere under my butt. My legs have to be extended out in front of me or I risk further screwing up my knees. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Mike Mertsock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ergonomics Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I definately agree .. however have been searching for other resources offering the product. But blinkies and the as seen on tv look definately puts my credit card back in the wallet! Calvin Ward wrote: Too many blinkies on that site! I never buy from companies with lots of blinkies :P - Calvin - Original Message - From: Jason Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: ergonomics I had just stumbled across this.. tempting.. I thought I would post it here. http://www.hotproductoutlet.com/products/chillow/csooth.htm Mosh Teitelbaum wrote: I've never tried one of these but, with the arthritis in my knees (damn sports injuries), I'm not allowed to sit with my legs anywhere under my butt. My legs have to be extended out in front of me or I risk further screwing up my knees. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Mike Mertsock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ergonomics Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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what are those wrist straps? tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Stan Winchester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ergonomics The wrist support gloves are a VERY important part of the solution. With the gloves at my desk, I can work all day with NO discomfort, but if I don't wear the gloves, my wrists will start to burn after several minutes. On a regular keyboard without the gloves my wrists start to burn within a minute or two, and with the gloves I can only work for a very short time. For me, the solution is the keyboard, negative tilt keyboard tray, and wrist support gloves. You may also notice I built a platform for my mouse pad to level. The last picture of you strapped in looks like you are ready for takeoff! On the serious side though, an old coworker of mine used something similar and that is the only way she could work... too painful otherwise. Take a look at what I've done: http://www.aftershockweb.com/desk/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I use a Natural Keyboard and i have 2 long gel strips that cover the whole base of the desk so when i'm on the keyboard or mouse my wrists get support. I try to keep all primary items on my desk within reach without having to bend forward. And then i make sure to stop every hour and stretch and get up and walk for a bit. Go talk to a massage therapist thats who taught me some of the stretching tips that have helped! Good Luck - Original Message - From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Ditto the natural keyboard. I had very bad carpal all the way up to my elbow, then switched to the MS natural and haven't had any pain since. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, July 21, 2003, 3:19:32 PM, you wrote: WW I use a Natural Keyboard and i have 2 long gel strips that cover the whole WW base of the desk so when i'm on the keyboard or mouse my wrists get support. WW I try to keep all primary items on my desk within reach without having to WW bend forward. And then i make sure to stop every hour and stretch and get up WW and walk for a bit. WW Go talk to a massage therapist thats who taught me some of the stretching WW tips that have helped! WW Good Luck WW - Original Message - WW From: Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] WW To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] WW Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:11 PM WW Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 WW ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer helped me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning time to get the hang of it if you're not used to it. Erik Yowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.shortfusemedia.com -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this and this is what happens I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer helped me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning time to get the hang of it if you're not used to it. Erik Yowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.shortfusemedia.com -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ot: ergonomics hey all. listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, ibuprofen, etc...) and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does anyone have or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is starting to hurt and this sucks thanks tony tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Is he making fun of my glasses? Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway. I type wrong. I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it is. My hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home row I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving above the keyboard like I'm casting a spell. I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing was exactly right. Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused by the hands and wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles. According to her, the key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they aren't ever stuck in the same position for hours on end. I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know. :-\ -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this : and this is what happens : : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : -Original Message- : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is : shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer helped : me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are : seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning time to : get the hang of it if you're not used to it. : : Erik Yowell : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.shortfusemedia.com : : : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: ot: ergonomics : : hey all. : : listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. : : my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt : these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, : ibuprofen, etc...) : and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does : anyone : have : or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is : starting to hurt and this sucks : : thanks : : tony : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : : ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I've experienced the same thing, Ben. I've got big ol' meathooks, but the don't contort very well. I get all tight when I spend a lot of time typing prose, but as long as I'm dancing around the keys looking for all those weird programming keys, I'm fine. I think it's directly tied to when I have my wrists on the desk/rest, because that keeps everything still. When I'm floating (from moving my hands around), I have less problems. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ergonomics Is he making fun of my glasses? Oh, well, I'll tell him what helps me anyway. I type wrong. I didn't learn it that way on purpose, but there it is. My hands are a little small for a standard keyboard (from the home row I can't reach most of the numbers), so my hands move around, waving above the keyboard like I'm casting a spell. I talked to an ergonomics expert, and she said what I was doing was exactly right. Many of the problems associated with RSS are caused by the hands and wrists being forced into and kept at wierd angles. According to her, the key is to keep moving the hands and wrists around so that they aren't ever stuck in the same position for hours on end. I don't know if any of this will help, but it's what I know. :-\ -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:38 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : yah...i just turned 30 on the 4th of june, I had to get glasses : and now, these wrists are starting to bug out...10 years of this : and this is what happens : : I really want to find a not too high priced ergo desk : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : -Original Message- : From: Erik Yowell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:36 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: RE: ergonomics : : : That does suck - same thing here, I'm in my late 20s and my wrist is : shot - Switching to the MS Wireless Optical Intellimouse Explorer helped : me quite a bit, and from what I hear the Logitech trackballs are : seriously the way to go, though it will take a bit of relearning time to : get the hang of it if you're not used to it. : : Erik Yowell : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.shortfusemedia.com : : : -Original Message- : From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:11 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: ot: ergonomics : : hey all. : : listen...ive got a problem, and things are getting worse. : : my wrists and my forearm (tennis elbow) are really starting to hurt : these days, I have been to the doc, got some scripts (vioxx, bextra, : ibuprofen, etc...) : and they are all well, blah... anyway, what ergonomic ideas does : anyone : have : or employ (Desk, mouse, keyboard) that you could share...this is : starting to hurt and this sucks : : thanks : : tony : : tony weeg : uncertified advanced cold fusion developer : tony at navtrak dot net : www.navtrak.net : office 410.548.2337 : fax 410.860.2337 : : : : ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ergonomics
I spent 2 years in one. I still miss it (note to self - go buy one!) It was excellent. I found it much easier to spend long hours coding without hurting my back (which hurts right now) Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/03 05:10PM Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
I've never tried one of these but, with the arthritis in my knees (damn sports injuries), I'm not allowed to sit with my legs anywhere under my butt. My legs have to be extended out in front of me or I risk further screwing up my knees. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 942-5378 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ -Original Message- From: Mike Mertsock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ergonomics Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
Those are pretty comfy. A friend had one at his PC in HS. Unfortunately, after about a year, because of the wierd stresses on the kneepad and seat, the apholstery started coming off and the pad started disintegrating. Of course, that may not have been a very high quality one. When I was at MacWorld, I tried a NadaChair (http://www.nadachair.com) and it was extremely comfortable for the 10 minutes or so I sat in one. Maybe someone else has some comments on those. -- Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software, Inc : -Original Message- : From: Mike Mertsock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:11 PM : To: CF-Talk : Subject: ergonomics : : : Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences : to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at : 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your : legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. : Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. : : Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly : higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some : point, and it's : good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. : Especially with my : horrible horrible slouching. ;) : : cheers, : barneyb : ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ergonomics
I've spent many years in one now... chiropractor had me get it when years of slouching killed my back. Now I prefer it... though it takes time to get used to. The forces on your lower bones... fibula I think... are odd and take some getting used to if you want to sit for hours at a time... however the tendency to sit straight... because it just feels good is awesome. At 05:10 PM 7/21/03 -0400, you wrote: Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
re: ergonomics
what about desks...my doc said to look into one that had the keyboard pointing down, and to use a trackball type mouse, that was bolted to the keyboard tray... this is all so much to change...WOW! at home i have my hands on the top of the desk, its an ikea efektiv desk, but at work i have one of those dreaded u shaped cheapo with a clunky keyboard tray... any cool desk ideas anyone has? thanks tony -Original Message- From: Brrrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ergonomics I've spent many years in one now... chiropractor had me get it when years of slouching killed my back. Now I prefer it... though it takes time to get used to. The forces on your lower bones... fibula I think... are odd and take some getting used to if you want to sit for hours at a time... however the tendency to sit straight... because it just feels good is awesome. At 05:10 PM 7/21/03 -0400, you wrote: Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
i used to have a microsoft ergonomic keyboard that had feet to give it a negative tilt. That was great, but the split key areas drive me friggin mad when I was one-handing the keyboard and using the mouse with the other, so I got rid of it. I like the negative tilt, and although it makes hitting the number keys a bit more of a reach, I seemd to be able to type a lot more comfortably (and better) with it, since I didn't have to pick my fingers up so high (to hit the top row of letters). I never use feet on normal keyboards anymore, just leave it flat. Also, make sure you have your mouse on the same level as the keyboard (probably not how you are at work, if you've got the type of desk I'm thinking of. --- Barney Boisvert, Senior Development Engineer AudienceCentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice : 360.756.8080 x12 fax : 360.647.5351 www.audiencecentral.com -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: re: ergonomics what about desks...my doc said to look into one that had the keyboard pointing down, and to use a trackball type mouse, that was bolted to the keyboard tray... this is all so much to change...WOW! at home i have my hands on the top of the desk, its an ikea efektiv desk, but at work i have one of those dreaded u shaped cheapo with a clunky keyboard tray... any cool desk ideas anyone has? thanks tony -Original Message- From: Brrrian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ergonomics I've spent many years in one now... chiropractor had me get it when years of slouching killed my back. Now I prefer it... though it takes time to get used to. The forces on your lower bones... fibula I think... are odd and take some getting used to if you want to sit for hours at a time... however the tendency to sit straight... because it just feels good is awesome. At 05:10 PM 7/21/03 -0400, you wrote: Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I would try one if I heard good things about them. Example: the Hag Balans at http://www.hag.dk. Also, when you're sitting at the desk, make sure your elbows are slightly higher than the desk surface. Someone told me that at some point, and it's good advice, since it helps keep your wrists floating. Especially with my horrible horrible slouching. ;) cheers, barneyb ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ergonomics
well, ive seen one of those @ staples, some years back...but dont recall seeing one in awhilei wonder? tony -Original Message- From: Kay Smoljak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ergonomics Ah, the slouch - my favorite no-no. Does anybody have experiences to share about those kneeling chairs that stick your legs at 45-degree angles, supposedly the optimal angles for your legs/back? I'm sitting on one right now - it's good, but you have to be disciplined - no slouching, get up and move around every half hour, no resting your feet on the knee pad. If I'm not careful when I'm coding I can end up in all sorts of bizarre positions without even realising - feet on the desk, or cross-legged, or perched sitting on one foot - an endless source of amusement for other people in the office :) And if I don't get up and get the circulation going regularly, my butt goes to sleep, which is a characteristic of the kneeling chair I think. The biggest thing I've found is it's good NOT to have an arm rest. I don't have a kneeling chair at the office, I have a normal chair with no arms. If you rest your arms on the arm rests you're in a really bad position for typing - as someone said earlier your arms have to float over the keyboard. Kay Smoljak --- http://kay.smoljak.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
