Re: Custom Tags

[Larry Lyons]

Short question, is this a CF custom tag or a CFX type tag. 

Custom tags don't have to be installed as others have said, to add to the prior 
comments, you can also use cfmodule and specify the exact path to the file as 
in 



Normally I don't use custom tags if I can help it (at times crawling 100 yards 
over ground glass is easier) but you may find this helpful

http://www.forta.com/books/0321292693/0321292693_chapter30.pdf


> Hi All,
> 
> I am having a challenge getting to my CF administrator page.  CF 9.01, 
> Windows 2008.  I've been working on it for a bit with no solution.  My 
> question is, I have to install a custom tag.  Is there any way to 
> install a custom tag without using CF Administrator page?  Thanks in 
> advance!
> 
> Greg
> 

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Re: Custom Tags

[Russ Michaels]

you do not need to go anywhere near the cfadmin to use custom tags.

CF will first look in the current folder for the custom tag, if it is not
there then it will look in custom tag paths,
You can set per application custom tag paths in your application.cfc or you
can use CFIMPORT to import custom tag libraries.

although if you cannot access your cfadmin it seems you have some other
issues to worry about.


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Greg Edmonds  wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> I am having a challenge getting to my CF administrator page.  CF 9.01,
> Windows 2008.  I've been working on it for a bit with no solution.  My
> question is, I have to install a custom tag.  Is there any way to install a
> custom tag without using CF Administrator page?  Thanks in advance!
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags

[Dave Watts]

> I am having a challenge getting to my CF administrator page.  CF 9.01, 
> Windows 2008.  I've been working on it for a bit with
> no solution.  My question is, I have to install a custom tag.  Is there any 
> way to install a custom tag without using CF
> Administrator page?  Thanks in advance!

What kind of custom tag is it? If it's a CFML custom tag, no
installation is required.

If it's some other sort of custom tag, you might be able to do it
through the admin API:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Admin/WSc3ff6d0ea77859461172e0811cbf364104-7fcf.html

If not, you can probably edit the appropriate configuration file directly:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/000/94a16ba6.html

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RE: Custom tags in CF 9

[Andrew Scott]

You need to drill into the jrun directory, there should be servers directory
which should contain the server with the name of the context you gave it. By
default this is cfusion, and then underneath that you will end up finding
the standard CF directory structure.

I think this is explained in the Installation documentation of ColdFusion.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Donnie Carvajal [mailto:donnie.carva...@transformyx.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2011 5:05 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Custom tags in CF 9
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I recently installed an enterprise version of CF9 and the default
directory is
> c:\jrun4 and there is no CustomTags directory.  I added my customtags
> directory from my MX7 server and the custom tags calls are returning
errors
> that they can't be found.  Does anyone know where the CustomTags default
> directory is?  BTW, this is a "library" of tags that all of the apps on
the server
> will use, so placing them in the root of the web app is not an option.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Donnie


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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Ian Skinner]

On 4/12/2011 1:21 PM, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Don't forget that in CF8 you gained the ability to specify custom tag
> folders in your Application.cfc file instead. I know you are looking
> for the simplest solution, but this is an option as well.

I do forget about that cool option all to often.



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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Raymond Camden]

Don't forget that in CF8 you gained the ability to specify custom tag
folders in your Application.cfc file instead. I know you are looking
for the simplest solution, but this is an option as well.


On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Ian Skinner  wrote:
>
> On 4/12/2011 12:28 PM, Donnie Carvajal wrote:
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> The intention is to set up a multi-server instance.  I did find the 
>> customtags and the cfx directories for this instance; however, the 
>> customtags are more of a library that we use across servers.  Is there a 
>> generic place that i can put these files so that all instances that I will 
>> install on this server will see them?  I would like to put the CFX tags and 
>> components in a common place as well.
>>
>> Donnie
>
> Not out of the box.  But you define as many custom tag locations as you
> like in the administrator.  So it would be easy enough to use your
> c:/jrun4/customtags/  and just define that in each and every instance
> that you would like to search that directory for tags.
>

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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Ian Skinner]

On 4/12/2011 12:28 PM, Donnie Carvajal wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> The intention is to set up a multi-server instance.  I did find the 
> customtags and the cfx directories for this instance; however, the customtags 
> are more of a library that we use across servers.  Is there a generic place 
> that i can put these files so that all instances that I will install on this 
> server will see them?  I would like to put the CFX tags and components in a 
> common place as well.
>
> Donnie

Not out of the box.  But you define as many custom tag locations as you 
like in the administrator.  So it would be easy enough to use your 
c:/jrun4/customtags/  and just define that in each and every instance 
that you would like to search that directory for tags.

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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Russ Michaels]

you can stick them anywhere (c:\custom tags) and then create a custom tags
directory in the CFADMIN for each instance pointing to that location.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Donnie Carvajal <
donnie.carva...@transformyx.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> The intention is to set up a multi-server instance.  I did find the
> customtags and the cfx directories for this instance; however, the
> customtags are more of a library that we use across servers.  Is there a
> generic place that i can put these files so that all instances that I will
> install on this server will see them?  I would like to put the CFX tags and
> components in a common place as well.
>
> Donnie
>
> 

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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Donnie Carvajal]

Thanks for the feedback.

The intention is to set up a multi-server instance.  I did find the customtags 
and the cfx directories for this instance; however, the customtags are more of 
a library that we use across servers.  Is there a generic place that i can put 
these files so that all instances that I will install on this server will see 
them?  I would like to put the CFX tags and components in a common place as 
well.

Donnie 

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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Ian Skinner]

On 4/12/2011 12:04 PM, Donnie Carvajal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently installed an enterprise version of CF9 and the default directory 
> is c:\jrun4 and there is no CustomTags directory.  I added my customtags 
> directory from my MX7 server and the custom tags calls are returning errors 
> that they can't be found.  Does anyone know where the CustomTags default 
> directory is?  BTW, this is a "library" of tags that all of the apps on the 
> server will use, so placing them in the root of the web app is not an option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Donnie

If you have a c:\jrun4 folder, that means you installed the multi-server 
or J2EE version that puts ColdFusion as a Java Server under a JRun, 
rather then the other way around.

That means your Custom Tags path is going to be deep inside each of 
these servers.  For example for the default 'cfusion' server it is 
located here:

C:\JRun4\servers\cfusion\cfusion-ear\cfusion-war\WEB-INF\cfusion\CustomTags\

Obviously if you use the multi-server feature and create other 
ColdFusion server instances, there will be a corresponding path for each 
of them.


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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Russ Michaels]

You have chosen  the multi-server installation instead of the standalone
version, thus why the folders and paths are totally different.
The default instance is located at c:\jrun4\servers\cfusion

However if you have no need of the multi server features and did this by
mistake then I would suggest you un-install and install the standalone
version and just avoid all the issues.

If you intend to run multiple versions of CF for compatibility testing, then
multi-server is probably the easiest way to do this as you can run previous
version as a new instanced deployed as war files.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Donnie Carvajal <
donnie.carva...@transformyx.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I recently installed an enterprise version of CF9 and the default directory
> is c:\jrun4 and there is no CustomTags directory.  I added my customtags
> directory from my MX7 server and the custom tags calls are returning errors
> that they can't be found.  Does anyone know where the CustomTags default
> directory is?  BTW, this is a "library" of tags that all of the apps on the
> server will use, so placing them in the root of the web app is not an
> option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Donnie
>
> 

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Re: Custom tags in CF 9

[Eric Cobb]

The default for multi-instance is: 
C:\JRun4\servers\cfusion\cfusion-ear\cfusion-war\WEB-INF\cfusion\CustomTags

If you've created additional instances, then you'll need to look in the 
appropriate directory under C:\JRun4\servers

Thanks,

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On 4/12/2011 2:04 PM, Donnie Carvajal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently installed an enterprise version of CF9 and the default directory 
> is c:\jrun4 and there is no CustomTags directory.  I added my customtags 
> directory from my MX7 server and the custom tags calls are returning errors 
> that they can't be found.  Does anyone know where the CustomTags default 
> directory is?  BTW, this is a "library" of tags that all of the apps on the 
> server will use, so placing them in the root of the web app is not an option.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Donnie
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Kelly]

Cubicle? I'm doubting that. lol

On 1/26/2011 11:30 AM, Michael Firth wrote:
> Me thinks someone needs to step away from the cubicle.  Too funny.
>
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:
>
>> Not you john no... .sorry... I'm catching up.. it was for
>> he-who-must-not-be-named
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:11 AM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>>
>>
>> Huh?  I don't think I was a "bad actor" in this thread, was I?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
>>> (doh!).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
>>> To: cf-talk
>>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>>>
>>>
>>>> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
>>> I hate to get into this, but ...
>>>
>>> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
>>> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
>>> don't think it's that.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>>>
>>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>>>
>>> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
>>> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>>> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Me thinks someone needs to step away from the cubicle.  Too funny.

On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:

> 
> Not you john no... .sorry... I'm catching up.. it was for
> he-who-must-not-be-named 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:11 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Huh?  I don't think I was a "bad actor" in this thread, was I?
> 
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
>> (doh!).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>> 
>> 
>>> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
>> 
>> I hate to get into this, but ...
>> 
>> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
>> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
>> don't think it's that.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>> 
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>> 
>> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
>> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Mark A. Kruger]

Not you john no... .sorry... I'm catching up.. it was for
he-who-must-not-be-named 



-Original Message-
From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:11 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location


Huh?  I don't think I was a "bad actor" in this thread, was I?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger
wrote:

>
> Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
> (doh!).
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>
>
> > That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
>
> I hate to get into this, but ...
>
> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
> don't think it's that.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
>
>
>
> 



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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[WebSite CFTalk]

I absolutely agree with you on that.

Now I really hope that you're in the everybody group...

Bye
Helge 

Den 26. jan. 2011 kl. 17:14 skrev "Michael Firth" :

> 
> Wow.  Looks like even Homer Simpson joined this conversation.  Seriously, do 
> you think you can manage to be somewhat professional lol?  If somehow I 
> manage to upset you, I don't think that everybody has to hear about it, do 
> they?
> 
> On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
>> (doh!).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>> 
>> 
>>> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
>> 
>> I hate to get into this, but ...
>> 
>> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
>> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
>> don't think it's that.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>> 
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>> 
>> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
>> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

Huh?  I don't think I was a "bad actor" in this thread, was I?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:

>
> Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
> (doh!).
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>
>
> > That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
>
> I hate to get into this, but ...
>
> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
> don't think it's that.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Wow.  Looks like even Homer Simpson joined this conversation.  Seriously, do 
you think you can manage to be somewhat professional lol?  If somehow I manage 
to upset you, I don't think that everybody has to hear about it, do they?

On Jan 26, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:

> 
> Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
> (doh!).
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
>> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
> 
> I hate to get into this, but ...
> 
> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
> don't think it's that.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
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> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Mark A. Kruger]

Dave... don't encourage him!!! He had already moved on to something else
(doh!).



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:26 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location


> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...

I hate to get into this, but ...

I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
don't think it's that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Actually I haven't formulated anything, so don't assume what you might think
I may think.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 2:50 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Bobby,
> 
> I know you are filtering, but if you see this post you may want to look at
> some of the other ones.  It's too bad that you, Russ, Andrew have
> formulated opinions without really knowing me.  Sorry, but thats a real
> dangerous line of thought if you ask me.  Also, if I am a troll for caring
about
> how we educate newer people in this work, then by all means please call me
> that.
> 
> Mike


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Michael Firth  wrote:
> It's too bad that you, Russ, Andrew have formulated opinions without really 
> knowing me.

A friend just pointed me to Michael's posts on cf-jobs so I could get
to know him better...

(I've tried really hard not to respond to this thread but it's getting
increasingly hard to resist...)

Sean

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Bobby,

I know you are filtering, but if you see this post you may want to look at some 
of the other ones.  It's too bad that you, Russ, Andrew have formulated 
opinions without really knowing me.  Sorry, but thats a real dangerous line of 
thought if you ask me.  Also, if I am a troll for caring about how we educate 
newer people in this work, then by all means please call me that.

Mike




On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Bobby Hartsfield wrote:

> 
> Stop feeding the troll :-) 
> 
> Just do what I do and filter him to the trash where he belongs.
> 
> .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
> Bobby Hartsfield
> http://acoderslife.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:42 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning
> Autism as it is known over there.
> 
> But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off
> calm down and have a good think about it later.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>> 
>> 
>> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
> big
>> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
>> but yet claim to help them.  Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
> calling
>> them a jerk.  Real professional.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Bobby Hartsfield]

Stop feeding the troll :-) 

Just do what I do and filter him to the trash where he belongs.

.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location


Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning
Autism as it is known over there.

But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off
calm down and have a good think about it later.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
big
> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
> but yet claim to help them.  Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
calling
> them a jerk.  Real professional.
> 




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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

LMAO.  Now my sides are hurting.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:

> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michael Firth  wrote:
>> Ok I see your point.  I cannot say I agree, but I do see your viewpoint.  
>> Yes, the professors pointed that out as well, but also said that even on off 
>> the cuff things it can be a very dangerous tool because you don't know who 
>> is doing the writing.  In other words are they true and supported facts or 
>> pure opinion.
> 
> To the uninformed, any information source is potentially dangerous...
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> 
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> 
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michael Firth  wrote:
> Ok I see your point.  I cannot say I agree, but I do see your viewpoint.  
> Yes, the professors pointed that out as well, but also said that even on off 
> the cuff things it can be a very dangerous tool because you don't know who is 
> doing the writing.  In other words are they true and supported facts or pure 
> opinion.

To the uninformed, any information source is potentially dangerous...
-- 
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Ok I see your point.  I cannot say I agree, but I do see your viewpoint.  Yes, 
the professors pointed that out as well, but also said that even on off the 
cuff things it can be a very dangerous tool because you don't know who is doing 
the writing.  In other words are they true and supported facts or pure opinion.

Thanks,

Mike


On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Dave Watts wrote:

> 
>> Interesting.  In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a 
>> tee all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how
>> much misinformation is on there.  What is really something is that at my 
>> previous school the professors were the same way about
>> wikipedia.  Guess you have to take it with a grain of salt.
> 
> Sure. But if you already know something, and go to Wikipedia and it
> agrees with you, it's ok to point to that as an explanation of
> whatever it is you know. It's not suitable as a primary source -
> something else your professors probably mentioned.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
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> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsi
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Dave Watts]

> Interesting.  In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a tee 
> all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how
> much misinformation is on there.  What is really something is that at my 
> previous school the professors were the same way about
> wikipedia.  Guess you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Sure. But if you already know something, and go to Wikipedia and it
agrees with you, it's ok to point to that as an explanation of
whatever it is you know. It's not suitable as a primary source -
something else your professors probably mentioned.

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Brandon]

Wow.

This thread is FANTASTIC.  Michael, you can't be so sensitive.  In
programming, there are a LOT of egos we all have to deal with.  None of the
comments were that condescending, and if they really have 18's for stats,
well it might be a good idea to just listen to what they have to say.  I
commend you for having an opinion, but your professionalism and openness for
criticism is lacking.

Also, many colleges are accepting Wikipedia as a legitimate resource as long
as you're staying away from subjective matter.  I think Dave is probably
just having fun with the fact that this thread is better than a sitcom.

-Brandon

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Interesting.  In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a
> tee all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how much misinformation is
> on there.  What is really something is that at my previous school the
> professors were the same way about wikipedia.  Guess you have to take it
> with a grain of salt.
>
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> >
> >> Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol.
>  Just saying.
> >
> > It's satisfactory for undisputed facts, and it's easier to remember
> > off the cuff than other sites that list logical fallacies, which is
> > what "begging the question" is. I use it quite often to provide simple
> > explanations of (again, undisputed) facts that I already happen to
> > have picked up somewhere else - in this case, university philosophy
> > and logic courses. I'm a college dropout, but I remember what I
> > learned.
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > http://training.figleaf.com/
> >
> > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Interesting.  In my spare time I am going back to college and almost to a tee 
all of my professors warn about wikipedia and how much misinformation is on 
there.  What is really something is that at my previous school the professors 
were the same way about wikipedia.  Guess you have to take it with a grain of 
salt.



On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Dave Watts wrote:

> 
>> Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol.  Just 
>> saying.
> 
> It's satisfactory for undisputed facts, and it's easier to remember
> off the cuff than other sites that list logical fallacies, which is
> what "begging the question" is. I use it quite often to provide simple
> explanations of (again, undisputed) facts that I already happen to
> have picked up somewhere else - in this case, university philosophy
> and logic courses. I'm a college dropout, but I remember what I
> learned.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
> 
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Dave Watts]

> Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol.  Just 
> saying.

It's satisfactory for undisputed facts, and it's easier to remember
off the cuff than other sites that list logical fallacies, which is
what "begging the question" is. I use it quite often to provide simple
explanations of (again, undisputed) facts that I already happen to
have picked up somewhere else - in this case, university philosophy
and logic courses. I'm a college dropout, but I remember what I
learned.

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http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

Granted.

I guess I should have said something like, "You didn't answer his question.
 Instead, you re-worded a bit of his question in a most un-helpful form."

Like, "You ask, is the sky blue.  I answer, sky...blue...many wonder."


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
>
> I hate to get into this, but ...
>
> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
> don't think it's that.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
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> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Wikipedia is not exactly a great source for verifying something lol.  Just 
saying.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Dave Watts wrote:

> 
>> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
> 
> I hate to get into this, but ...
> 
> I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
> the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
> don't think it's that.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
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Re: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

I can only hope for the same thing too.

On Jan 25, 2011 9:22 PM, "DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)" 
wrote:
>
> You know one of the things that I have always loved about this list is
> that anyone could ask a question no matter how NOOBISH and no one would
> treat them with any ill will. The people would always gently move them
> to the proper way of doing things and everyone would learn.
>
> I apologize that this is not the case today. I hope the list will return
> to being a safe-haven for those looking for advice and help.
>
> Steve
>
> (Note: the previous was my personal opinion and may not be the opinion
> of my friends, others on the list, my employer, or the general public)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:49 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>
>
> Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one
> time. It has everything with being a so called "expert". You could
> have just answered his question in a more professional manner.
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Dave Watts]

> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...

I hate to get into this, but ...

I don't think you're using "beg the question" correctly. When you beg
the question, you're assuming the answer. Whatever Andrew's doing, I
don't think it's that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)]

You know one of the things that I have always loved about this list is
that anyone could ask a question no matter how NOOBISH and no one would
treat them with any ill will. The people would always gently move them
to the proper way of doing things and everyone would learn.

I apologize that this is not the case today. I hope the list will return
to being a safe-haven for those looking for advice and help.

Steve

(Note: the previous was my personal opinion and may not be the opinion
of my friends, others on the list, my employer, or the general public)

-Original Message-
From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:49 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location


Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one
time.  It has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could
have just answered his question in a more professional manner.

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Wow how mature and professional.  Spam filter.  Guess I was right lmao

On Jan 25, 2011 8:51 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>
> ok that's enough now, you are now added to my spam filter, so feel free to
> get the last word in as I wont see it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Michael Firth wrote:
>
>>
>> Just cant let it go can you. Real professional.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Erm, read your own posts.
>> > You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a
>> > jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you.
>> > You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw
>> out
>> > even more insults when you are proved wrong.
>> > The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth > >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a
real
>> >> big
>> >> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
>> but
>> >> yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
>> >> calling them a jerk. Real professional.
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, "Kelly Matthews"  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this
>> whole
>> >> thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a
>> >> rest?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're
>> >> dealing
>> >> with here. We shall see. :)
>> >> >
>> >> >>Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know
you
>> >> like
>> >> >>to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels" 
wrote:
>> >> >>www.cfmldeveloper.com
>> >> >>might
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Russ Michaels]

ok that's enough now, you are now added to my spam filter, so feel free to
get the last word in as I wont see it.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Just cant let it go can you.  Real professional.
>
> On Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
> >
> > Erm, read your own posts.
> > You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a
> > jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you.
> > You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw
> out
> > even more insults when you are proved wrong.
> > The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
> >> big
> >> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
> but
> >> yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
> >> calling them a jerk. Real professional.
> >>
> >> On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, "Kelly Matthews"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this
> whole
> >> thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a
> >> rest?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're
> >> dealing
> >> with here. We shall see. :)
> >> >
> >> >>Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you
> >> like
> >> >>to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class
> >> >>
> >> >>On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
> >> >>www.cfmldeveloper.com
> >> >>might
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Just cant let it go can you.  Real professional.

On Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>
> Erm, read your own posts.
> You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a
> jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you.
> You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw out
> even more insults when you are proved wrong.
> The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid.
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth wrote:
>
>>
>> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
>> big
>> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
but
>> yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
>> calling them a jerk. Real professional.
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, "Kelly Matthews"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole
>> thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a
>> rest?
>>
>> >
>> > I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're
>> dealing
>> with here. We shall see. :)
>> >
>> >>Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you
>> like
>> >>to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class
>> >>
>> >>On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>> >>www.cfmldeveloper.com
>> >>might
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Ah once again with the name calling.  Real professional andrew.   I am
really ashamed that you call yourself a developer.  Like I said someone who
really helps doesnt self promote

On Jan 25, 2011 8:43 PM, "Andrew Scott"  wrote:
>
> Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning
> Autism as it is known over there.
>
> But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off
> calm down and have a good think about it later.
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>>
>>
>> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
> big
>> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
>> but yet claim to help them. Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
> calling
>> them a jerk. Real professional.
>>
>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Russ Michaels]

Erm, read your own posts.
You are the one attacking and insulting everyone, you called everyone a
jerk, and then got all upset when it was said right back you.
You make baseless claims about people contributing nothing, then throw out
even more insults when you are proved wrong.
The only one attacking his peers is you i'm afraid.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
> big
> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but
> yet claim to help them.  Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
> calling them a jerk.  Real professional.
>
> On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, "Kelly Matthews"  wrote:
> >
> > Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole
> thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a
> rest?
>
> >
> > I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're
> dealing
> with here. We shall see. :)
> >
> >>Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you
> like
> >>to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class
> >>
> >>On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
> >>www.cfmldeveloper.com
> >>might
> >>>
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Michael, I don't know if you suffer from Aspeger's or Higher Functioning
Autism as it is known over there.

But I think you really need to adhere to what people are saying, back off
calm down and have a good think about it later.


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 12:40 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real
big
> problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession
> but yet claim to help them.  Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
calling
> them a jerk.  Real professional.
> 


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Kelly, I am not the one resorting to personal attacks and this is a real big
problem with expert programmers attacking new people to the profession but
yet claim to help them.  Russ claims to help but attacks his peers by
calling them a jerk.  Real professional.

On Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM, "Kelly Matthews"  wrote:
>
> Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole
thing out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest?

>
> I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing
with here. We shall see. :)
>
>>Wow. Sounds like the expert is taking it personally. Good to know you like
>>to resort to personal attacks like this. Real class
>>
>>On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>>www.cfmldeveloper.com
>>might
>>>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Kelly Matthews]

Seriously Michael I don't know you, but I think you've blown this whole thing 
out of proportion. Why not take the high road and just give it a rest? 

I suffer from Last word syndrome at times, maybe that's what we're dealing with 
here. We shall see. :)

>Wow.  Sounds like the expert is taking it personally.  Good to know you like
>to resort to personal attacks like this.  Real class
>
>On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>www.cfmldeveloper.com
>might
>> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Wow.  Sounds like the expert is taking it personally.  Good to know you like
to resort to personal attacks like this.  Real class

On Jan 25, 2011 8:24 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>
> Well done on your self promotion as a Jerk Michael, you are doing an
> absolutely sterling job and you definitely deserve everything you get in
> recognition of your gr8 talent.
>
> three cheers for Michael.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Michael Firth wrote:
>
>>
>> Please. So what? Somebody who was actually helping wouldnt feel the need
>> for such self promotion. Face it your only doimg it to gloss the resume
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2011 8:04 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>>
>> Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such
>> statements, I have personally spent 10 years running
www.cfmldeveloper.com
>> ,
>> a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help
>> people learn CF.
>>
>> I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you
might
>> want to calm down.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth > >wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the
>> > language. Instead yo...
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Russ Michaels]

Well done on your self promotion as a Jerk Michael, you are doing an
absolutely sterling job and you definitely deserve everything you get in
recognition of your gr8 talent.

three cheers for Michael.


On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Please.  So what?  Somebody who was actually helping wouldnt feel the need
> for such self promotion.  Face it your only doimg it to gloss the resume
>
> On Jan 25, 2011 8:04 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:
>
> Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such
> statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com
> ,
> a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help
> people learn CF.
>
> I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might
> want to calm down.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth  >wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Really? I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the
> > language. Instead yo...
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Please.  So what?  Somebody who was actually helping wouldnt feel the need
for such self promotion.  Face it your only doimg it to gloss the resume

On Jan 25, 2011 8:04 PM, "Russ Michaels"  wrote:

Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such
statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com,
a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help
people learn CF.

I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might
want to calm down.


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>
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Grant]

With all due respect Michael I think you are speaking out of turn here. How
would you (in Atlanta) have any idea what I (near Toronto) have been doing
to encourage people to learn CF? On this list I offer as much help as I have
time or advice for. Locally I've tried since the 90's to encourage the
spread of CF. I don't remember ever replying in a discouraging manner on
cf-talk to a n00b. In fact my only beef over the past 13+ years has been
with regards to a lack of marketing for CF because I love it so. In fact,
I've even reached out to you personally from "cfer to cfer" in an effort to
save you some embarrassment and help preserve your career integrity. I would
call that giving back.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Really?  I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the
> language.  Instead you berate them with your very arrogance and in fact does
> more damage than help.  Also, my posts have nothing to do with this, even
> though a few of these very same posters have used their professional emails
> to attack me.  Not exactly setting an example are you?
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us "experts"
> are
> > extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most
> > helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in
> > his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the
> > credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he
> > might feel entitled to a few pot shots.
> >
> > It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had
> a
> > poor experience with "CF experts." But don't let your own personal axe
> > grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty
> good
> > lot.
> >
> > (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Agreed.  I can't believe how many of these so called "experts" are on
> here
> >> claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most
> >> worthless coders you will ever find.  You know sometimes one has to be
> >> humble to see the light.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Yes.  My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev
> lang
> >>> boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards.  Regardless of
> >>> quantity "my web app dev lang is dying" FUD.
> >>>
> >>> We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs.  :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Andrew Scott
> >>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
> >>>>> To: cf-talk
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Andrew Scott
> >>>>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Russ Michaels]

Michael, perhaps you need to look a bit harder before making such
statements, I have personally spent 10 years running www.cfmldeveloper.com,
a CF community providing free cf developer hosting to encourage and help
people learn CF.

I'm afraid the only one attacking and berating here is yourself, you might
want to calm down.


On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Really?  I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the
> language.  Instead you berate them with your very arrogance and in fact does
> more damage than help.  Also, my posts have nothing to do with this, even
> though a few of these very same posters have used their professional emails
> to attack me.  Not exactly setting an example are you?
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us "experts"
> are
> > extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most
> > helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in
> > his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the
> > credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he
> > might feel entitled to a few pot shots.
> >
> > It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had
> a
> > poor experience with "CF experts." But don't let your own personal axe
> > grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty
> good
> > lot.
> >
> > (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Agreed.  I can't believe how many of these so called "experts" are on
> here
> >> claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most
> >> worthless coders you will ever find.  You know sometimes one has to be
> >> humble to see the light.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Yes.  My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev
> lang
> >>> boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards.  Regardless of
> >>> quantity "my web app dev lang is dying" FUD.
> >>>
> >>> We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs.  :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Andrew Scott
> >>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
> >>>>> To: cf-talk
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Andrew Scott
> >>>>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ~~
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Really?  I don't exactly see any of you encouraging people to learn the 
language.  Instead you berate them with your very arrogance and in fact does 
more damage than help.  Also, my posts have nothing to do with this, even 
though a few of these very same posters have used their professional emails to 
attack me.  Not exactly setting an example are you?


On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:30 PM, Michael Grant wrote:

> 
> Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us "experts" are
> extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most
> helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in
> his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the
> credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he
> might feel entitled to a few pot shots.
> 
> It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had a
> poor experience with "CF experts." But don't let your own personal axe
> grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty good
> lot.
> 
> (Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Agreed.  I can't believe how many of these so called "experts" are on here
>> claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most
>> worthless coders you will ever find.  You know sometimes one has to be
>> humble to see the light.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes.  My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang
>>> boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards.  Regardless of
>>> quantity "my web app dev lang is dying" FUD.
>>> 
>>> We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs.  :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott >> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrew Scott
>>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
>>>>> To: cf-talk
>>>>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrew Scott
>>>>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

> nerd.

Guilty.  :-)


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Michael Grant  wrote:

>
> +1 for the rpg reference... nerd.
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I follow.  I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google
> > first
> > and ask questions later.
> >
> > Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a
> > high D-18 roll of:
> >
> > - intelligence
> > - wisdom
> > - charisma
> >
> > ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn
> to
> > us for guidance / opinions / etc.  When they ask questions whose answers
> > are
> > easily Googled, let's reply with:
> >
> > - helpful URL
> > - helpful Google search string
> >
> > ...or similar.  Or not at all, I suppose.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft
> > things
> > > that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
> > > However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google
> > search.
> > > There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
> > > sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont
> put
> > > that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
> > > Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
> > >
> > > So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find
> CF
> > > help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
> > >
> > > www.cfsearch.com
> > > www.cfquickdocs.com
> > > www.coldfusiondocs.com
> > > www.easycfm.com
> > > www.cfmldeveloper.com
> > > http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
> > > http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Russ Michaels
> > >
> > > www.bluethunderinternet.com  : Business hosting services & solutions
> > > www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community
> > > www.michaels.me.uk   : my blog
> > > www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine
> > > **
> > > *skype me* : russmichaels
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Wil Genovese]

STOP THE INSANITY - the horse is dead quit whipping it.. PLEASE!!


Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 

On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Michael Grant wrote:

> 
> +1 for the rpg reference... nerd.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I follow.  I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google
>> first
>> and ask questions later.
>> 
>> Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a
>> high D-18 roll of:
>> 
>> - intelligence
>> - wisdom
>> - charisma
>> 
>> ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to
>> us for guidance / opinions / etc.  When they ask questions whose answers
>> are
>> easily Googled, let's reply with:
>> 
>> - helpful URL
>> - helpful Google search string
>> 
>> ...or similar.  Or not at all, I suppose.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft
>> things
>>> that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
>>> However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google
>> search.
>>> There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
>>> sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
>>> that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
>>> Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
>>> 
>>> So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
>>> help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
>>> 
>>> www.cfsearch.com
>>> www.cfquickdocs.com
>>> www.coldfusiondocs.com
>>> www.easycfm.com
>>> www.cfmldeveloper.com
>>> http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
>>> http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Russ Michaels
>>> 
>>> www.bluethunderinternet.com  : Business hosting services & solutions
>>> www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community
>>> www.michaels.me.uk   : my blog
>>> www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine
>>> **
>>> *skype me* : russmichaels
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Grant]

+1 for the rpg reference... nerd.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss  wrote:

>
> I follow.  I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google
> first
> and ask questions later.
>
> Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a
> high D-18 roll of:
>
> - intelligence
> - wisdom
> - charisma
>
> ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to
> us for guidance / opinions / etc.  When they ask questions whose answers
> are
> easily Googled, let's reply with:
>
> - helpful URL
> - helpful Google search string
>
> ...or similar.  Or not at all, I suppose.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft
> things
> > that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
> > However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google
> search.
> > There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
> > sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
> > that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
> > Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
> >
> > So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
> > help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
> >
> > www.cfsearch.com
> > www.cfquickdocs.com
> > www.coldfusiondocs.com
> > www.easycfm.com
> > www.cfmldeveloper.com
> > http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
> > http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Russ Michaels
> >
> > www.bluethunderinternet.com  : Business hosting services & solutions
> > www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community
> > www.michaels.me.uk   : my blog
> > www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine
> > **
> > *skype me* : russmichaels
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Kelly Matthews]

Good God! Having flashbacks from high school with this thread! LOL

> Your not just getting it and I don't think you every will.  You come 
> off as sounding like a jerk plain and simple, so who cares if your 
> right.
>  

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Yeah maybe.

The one thing I will add here, and even us experts tend to do it as well,
but common sense does eventually kick in. And that is that we all tend to
over complicate the problem.


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> -Original Message-
> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:27 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> > Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob
> aswell, or did you not read that?
> 
> He wrote, "I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm
also
> not an expert."  Based on that statement and the nature of his question, I
> had him estimated at a "3" on the "noob - to - expert" 10-point scale.


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Grant]

Oh come now Michael. That's not the least bit fair. Most of us "experts" are
extremely helpful. In fact I'd say pound for pound we're some of the most
helpful. True Andrew was a little off the cuff, but I think he's right in
his jaded comments. Five taggers really haven't done much for the
credibility of our chosen language, so it's fairly understandable why he
might feel entitled to a few pot shots.

It's clear from this, and your delluge of cf-jobs posts, that you've had a
poor experience with "CF experts." But don't let your own personal axe
grinding taint your opinion of the community as a whole. We're a pretty good
lot.

(Yeah, I said 'taint.' It made laugh too.)


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Michael Firth wrote:

>
> Agreed.  I can't believe how many of these so called "experts" are on here
> claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most
> worthless coders you will ever find.  You know sometimes one has to be
> humble to see the light.
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes.  My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang
> > boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards.  Regardless of
> > quantity "my web app dev lang is dying" FUD.
> >
> > We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs.  :-)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
> >>> To: cf-talk
> >>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Andrew Scott
> >>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> ~~
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Kelly Matthews]

My thoughts exactly. Figured maybe I was missing something. lol

>Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
>
>Regards,
>Andrew Scott
>http://www.andyscott.id.au/ 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

> Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob
aswell, or did you not read that?

He wrote, "I don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm
also not an expert."  Based on that statement and the nature of his
question, I had him estimated at a "3" on the "noob - to - expert" 10-point
scale.


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Michael, I will say it again it has nothing to do with being a noob or even
> an expert. It boils down to common sense, we have a guy at work who has
> never programmed in his life, and he has been in the role for about 6
> months. But the moment he started, he showed a lot of common sense in his
> approach, and that is all it is and nothing more.
>
> Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob as
> well, or did you not read that?
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:19 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >
> >
> > Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake.  Who cares now if your
> > right?  All meaning has been lost.  Caution to anybody that is new to
> > ColdFusion.  You will sometimes encounter developers who give double
> > meaning and treat you with a lack of respect.
> >
> > Arrogance.  Complete Egos at work here.
>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

John,

You hit it right on the button.  I would dare say your the true expert here.

Mike


On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:23 PM, John M Bliss wrote:

> 
> I follow.  I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first
> and ask questions later.
> 
> Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a
> high D-18 roll of:
> 
> - intelligence
> - wisdom
> - charisma
> 
> ...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to
> us for guidance / opinions / etc.  When they ask questions whose answers are
> easily Googled, let's reply with:
> 
> - helpful URL
> - helpful Google search string
> 
> ...or similar.  Or not at all, I suppose.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things
>> that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
>> However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search.
>> There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
>> sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
>> that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
>> Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
>> 
>> So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
>> help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
>> 
>> www.cfsearch.com
>> www.cfquickdocs.com
>> www.coldfusiondocs.com
>> www.easycfm.com
>> www.cfmldeveloper.com
>> http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
>> http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Russ Michaels
>> 
>> www.bluethunderinternet.com  : Business hosting services & solutions
>> www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community
>> www.michaels.me.uk   : my blog
>> www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine
>> **
>> *skype me* : russmichaels
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Your not just getting it and I don't think you every will.  You come off as 
sounding like a jerk plain and simple, so who cares if your right.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> 
> Michael, I will say it again it has nothing to do with being a noob or even
> an expert. It boils down to common sense, we have a guy at work who has
> never programmed in his life, and he has been in the role for about 6
> months. But the moment he started, he showed a lot of common sense in his
> approach, and that is all it is and nothing more.
> 
> Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob as
> well, or did you not read that?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:19 AM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>> 
>> 
>> Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake.  Who cares now if your
>> right?  All meaning has been lost.  Caution to anybody that is new to
>> ColdFusion.  You will sometimes encounter developers who give double
>> meaning and treat you with a lack of respect.
>> 
>> Arrogance.  Complete Egos at work here.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

I follow.  I'm an expert (14 or so years) and I like to think I Google first
and ask questions later.

Having said that, cf-talk is (generally) comprised of people with such a
high D-18 roll of:

- intelligence
- wisdom
- charisma

...that it's easy to understand why people of all experience levels turn to
us for guidance / opinions / etc.  When they ask questions whose answers are
easily Googled, let's reply with:

- helpful URL
- helpful Google search string

...or similar.  Or not at all, I suppose.


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Russ Michaels  wrote:

>
> The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things
> that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
> However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search.
> There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
> sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
> that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
> Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
>
> So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
> help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
>
> www.cfsearch.com
> www.cfquickdocs.com
> www.coldfusiondocs.com
> www.easycfm.com
> www.cfmldeveloper.com
> http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
> http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
>
>
>
> --
>
> Russ Michaels
>
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Michael, I will say it again it has nothing to do with being a noob or even
an expert. It boils down to common sense, we have a guy at work who has
never programmed in his life, and he has been in the role for about 6
months. But the moment he started, he showed a lot of common sense in his
approach, and that is all it is and nothing more.

Btw if you read the guys comment, he also clearly stated he is no noob as
well, or did you not read that?


Regards,
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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:19 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake.  Who cares now if your
> right?  All meaning has been lost.  Caution to anybody that is new to
> ColdFusion.  You will sometimes encounter developers who give double
> meaning and treat you with a lack of respect.
> 
> Arrogance.  Complete Egos at work here.


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Gotta say Andrew and Russ you two take the cake.  Who cares now if your right?  
All meaning has been lost.  Caution to anybody that is new to ColdFusion.  You 
will sometimes encounter developers who give double meaning and treat you with 
a lack of respect.  

Arrogance.  Complete Egos at work here.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:

> 
> The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things
> that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
> However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search.
> There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
> sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
> that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
> Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
> 
> So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
> help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
> 
> www.cfsearch.com
> www.cfquickdocs.com
> www.coldfusiondocs.com
> www.easycfm.com
> www.cfmldeveloper.com
> http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
> http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
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> 
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> **
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Russ Michaels]

Despite Andrews lack of partience he is however correct.

Replacing  with  would be much
better and is of course almost as easy to do.If the URL is different in
every cflocation then a REGEX will be required, bit there are some regex
gurus on here who can help with that.
A workaround is gr8 if you don't know any better way to do it, or if it is a
significant time, but not really an ideal solution when you have the best
one handed to you on a plate.

Russ

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Russ Michaels  wrote:

> The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things
> that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
> However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search.
> There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
> sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
> that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
> Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)
>
> So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
> help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.
>
> www.cfsearch.com
> www.cfquickdocs.com
> www.coldfusiondocs.com
> www.easycfm.com
> www.cfmldeveloper.com
> http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
> http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/
>
>
>
> --
>
> Russ Michaels
>
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> www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Russ Michaels]

The problem with us experts sometimes is that we do forget the daft things
that noobs do and common sense comes with experience.
However what does get my goat is an unwillingness to RTFM or google search.
There is a HUGE resource of documentation and tutorials out there, and
sometimes no matter how many times you point someone at it, they wont put
that little bit of effort in and you have to do it for them.
Not that i'm saying that is the case here, just saying :-)

So for any noobs reading , here are some of the top resources to find CF
help, docs, tutorials, advice, etc.

www.cfsearch.com
www.cfquickdocs.com
www.coldfusiondocs.com
www.easycfm.com
www.cfmldeveloper.com
http://www.carehart.org/cf411/
http://www.adobe.com/support/coldfusion/



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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Ok Michael seeing as you are being the way you are.

My comment had a double meaning behind it, and the point is that if this guy
is thinking in this manner I would actually hate to see what the rest of the
Application is like. It is a known fact that if that guy ever leaves, a new
guy will come in and more likely go to his boss and say this guy didn't know
what he was doing, then he will turn around and say why are you using a
language that is not a serious language.

And to be honest, that was what I was thinking. I thought it more polite to
just come out with a double meaning, and now that you have pushed the
subject I think it best to actually come out and say it.

As for the original poster, I am curious how you think that by writing a
custom tag, and then replace that with all the cflocations is actually
easier, than just adding the addtoken="false" in the code? 


Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/



> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:56 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Your not just getting it.  The sad part is you never will.  Sure you
answered it,
> but takes a while for a person to see that after all the other stuff lol.
> 
> On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> 
> >
> > I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM
> >> To: cf-talk
> >> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >>
> >>
> >> Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one
> time.
> >> It has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could have
> >> just answered his question in a more professional manner.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Good point.  See I even learned from this.  You don't have to be a noob to 
actually learn or refresh the mind once in a while.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:02 PM, John M Bliss wrote:

> 
> Not exactly.  OP wrote, "...It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag
> that defaults to "no" than to Find and Replace every single tag with
> "addToken="no"..."  (AKA, the crux of his problem/misunderstanding.)
> 
> You replied, "Then use addToken="false""
> 
> That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM
>>> To: cf-talk
>>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one
>> time.
>>> It has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could have just
>>> answered his question in a more professional manner.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

Not exactly.  OP wrote, "...It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag
that defaults to "no" than to Find and Replace every single tag with
"addToken="no"..."  (AKA, the crux of his problem/misunderstanding.)

You replied, "Then use addToken="false""

That fails to address OP's question.  Instead, it begs his question...


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >
> >
> > Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one
> time.
> > It has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could have just
> > answered his question in a more professional manner.
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Your not just getting it.  The sad part is you never will.  Sure you answered 
it, but takes a while for a person to see that after all the other stuff lol.

On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> 
> I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>> 
>> 
>> Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one time.
>> It has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could have just
>> answered his question in a more professional manner.
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

I actually did answer it, if you look hard enough.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:49 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one time.
> It has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could have just
> answered his question in a more professional manner.
> 


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Agreed.  I can't believe how many of these so called "experts" are on here 
claiming to be helping people, but they are probably themselves the most 
worthless coders you will ever find.  You know sometimes one has to be humble 
to see the light.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:48 PM, John M Bliss wrote:

> 
> Yes.  My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang
> boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards.  Regardless of
> quantity "my web app dev lang is dying" FUD.
> 
> We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs.  :-)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
>>> To: cf-talk
>>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrew Scott
>>>> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Its amazing how fast the "experts" forget they were beginners at one time.  It 
has everything with being a so called "expert".  You could have just answered 
his question in a more professional manner.


On Jan 25, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> 
> It has nothing to do with being expert or not, but common sense.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:38 AM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
>> 
>> 
>> Don't you just love how developers like Bobby and Andrew assume
>> everybody should follow the "expert" way.  Its developers like this that
> give
>> Coldfusion the bad name.
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

Yes.  My point: surely noobs ask noob-y questions on all web app dev lang
boards since the beginning of web app dev lang boards.  Regardless of
quantity "my web app dev lang is dying" FUD.

We'll be judged by how we treat our noobs.  :-)


On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> >
> >
> > ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrew Scott
> > > http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

It has nothing to do with being expert or not, but common sense.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:38 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> Don't you just love how developers like Bobby and Andrew assume
> everybody should follow the "expert" way.  Its developers like this that
give
> Coldfusion the bad name.
> 


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Michael Firth]

Don't you just love how developers like Bobby and Andrew assume everybody 
should follow the "expert" way.  Its developers like this that give Coldfusion 
the bad name.  


>Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?
>
>Regards,
>Andrew Scott
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Yet he planned to replace all cflocation with cf_location, didn't he?

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/



> -Original Message-
> From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:41 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> ...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

...because noobs aren't yet "find-and-replace ninjas?"  Doubt it.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!
>
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

And people wonder why ColdFusion gets a bad name!!

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Claude Schnéegans]

 >> It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults to "no" than 
 >> to Find and Replace every single tag with "addToken="no".

It's not more difficult to replace all occurrences of 'http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Bobby Hartsfield]

You don't want to have to find and replace all cflocation tags to add the
addtoken attribute, but you are willing to find and reaplace cflocation with
cf_location?

Seems like the same amount of work to me. 
 
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-Original Message-
From: Eric Vineyard [mailto:eric.viney...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location


> Why not use 
> http://livedocs.adobe.
> com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.
> htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0284.htm#wp1100753
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard  com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working 
> with,
> > but I'm not having much success with one in particular, 
> "cf_location".
> >
> > I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm 
> running is
> > CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the 
> coldfusion admin
> > as my custom tags folder.
> >
> > Whenever I try to call  It 
> automatically
> > redirects to "http:/'servername'.com/foo". What am I doing wrong 
> here?
> >
> > 
Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of 's.
My entire reason for using  was so that I wouldn't have the
annoying, and highly unneccessary "cftoken" in my urls. It's much easier to
just simply use a custom tag that defaults to "no" than to Find and Replace
every single tag with "addToken="no". I'm also trying to use customtags as
somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I
don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an
expert.

I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location
does not. 



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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Kelly Matthews]

um... then why not use:
 
addtoken="no" doesn't add the unnecessary cftoken

> Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of 
> 's. My entire reason for using  was so that I 
> wouldn't have the annoying, and highly unneccessary "cftoken" in my 
> urls. It's much easier to just simply use a custom tag that defaults 
> to "no" than to Find and Replace every single tag with "addToken="no". 
> I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a learning experience 
> since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really consider myself to 
> be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert.
> 
> I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the 
> cf_location does not. 


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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Al Musella, DPM]

Check to see if there is another file named "CF_Location" in the 
customs tag directory or in the directory your template is in that is 
calling the tag

At 03:34 PM 1/25/2011, you wrote:

>Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working 
>with, but I'm not having much success with one in particular, "cf_location".
>
>I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm 
>running is CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in 
>the coldfusion admin as my custom tags folder.
>
>Whenever I try to call  It 
>automatically redirects to "http:/'servername'.com/foo". What am I 
>doing wrong here?



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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Andrew Scott]

Then use addToken="false"

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> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Vineyard [mailto:eric.viney...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 7:45 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location
> 
> 
> > Why not use 
> > http://livedocs.adobe.
> > com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.
> > htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0284.htm#wp1100753
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard  > com>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working
> > with,
> > > but I'm not having much success with one in particular,
> > "cf_location".
> > >
> > > I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm
> > running is
> > > CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the
> > coldfusion admin
> > > as my custom tags folder.
> > >
> > > Whenever I try to call  It
> > automatically
> > > redirects to "http:/'servername'.com/foo". What am I doing wrong
> > here?
> > >
> > >
> Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of 's.
> My entire reason for using  was so that I wouldn't have the
> annoying, and highly unneccessary "cftoken" in my urls. It's much easier
to
> just simply use a custom tag that defaults to "no" than to Find and
Replace
> every single tag with "addToken="no". I'm also trying to use customtags as
> somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I
> don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an
expert.
> 
> I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the
cf_location
> does not.
> 
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RE: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Bobby Hartsfield]

What is in the location custom tag? It doesn't sound like it is an issue
with the installation of the tag or you would get an error saying it
couldn't find it.

You also don't happen to have a file called location.cfm in the calling
directory (or its' parent directories) do you?

If so, maybe it is using that template instead. Just a thought. 
 
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-Original Message-
From: Eric Vineyard [mailto:eric.viney...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Custom Tags, cf_location


> Why not use 
> http://livedocs.adobe.
> com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.
> htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0284.htm#wp1100753
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard  com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working 
> with,
> > but I'm not having much success with one in particular, 
> "cf_location".
> >
> > I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm 
> running is
> > CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the 
> coldfusion admin
> > as my custom tags folder.
> >
> > Whenever I try to call  It 
> automatically
> > redirects to "http:/'servername'.com/foo". What am I doing wrong 
> here?
> >
> > 
Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of 's.
My entire reason for using  was so that I wouldn't have the
annoying, and highly unneccessary "cftoken" in my urls. It's much easier to
just simply use a custom tag that defaults to "no" than to Find and Replace
every single tag with "addToken="no". I'm also trying to use customtags as
somewhat of a learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I
don't really consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an
expert.

I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location
does not. 



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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[Eric Vineyard]

> Why not use 
> http://livedocs.adobe.
> com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.
> htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0284.htm#wp1100753
> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard  com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working 
> with,
> > but I'm not having much success with one in particular, 
> "cf_location".
> >
> > I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm 
> running is
> > CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the 
> coldfusion admin
> > as my custom tags folder.
> >
> > Whenever I try to call  It 
> automatically
> > redirects to "http:/'servername'.com/foo". What am I doing wrong 
> here?
> >
> > 
Because the website that I'm working with has thousands of 's. My 
entire reason for using  was so that I wouldn't have the annoying, 
and highly unneccessary "cftoken" in my urls. It's much easier to just simply 
use a custom tag that defaults to "no" than to Find and Replace every single 
tag with "addToken="no". I'm also trying to use customtags as somewhat of a 
learning experience since I've not dealt with them much. I don't really 
consider myself to be a novice with CF, but I'm also not an expert.

I have a different customtag that works perfectly fine, but the cf_location 
does not. 

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Re: Custom Tags, cf_location

[John M Bliss]

Why not use 
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0284.htm#wp1100753

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Eric Vineyard wrote:

>
> Hi, I'm trying to implement custom tags into a website I'm working with,
> but I'm not having much success with one in particular, "cf_location".
>
> I'm using the 2.0.1 hosted on Adobe's website. The CF server I'm running is
> CF7, and I'm using a designated sub directory listed in the coldfusion admin
> as my custom tags folder.
>
> Whenever I try to call  It automatically
> redirects to "http:/'servername'.com/foo". What am I doing wrong here?
>
> 

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Re: custom tags slow?

[Brian Dumbledore]

Good idea.. Thanks 

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Re: custom tags slow?

[Brian Dumbledore]

Ah! cfflush won't work.. thanks. I am trying to gather some points against 
using custom tags with a body when not really needed. 

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RE: custom tags slow?

[Gaulin, Mark]

Hi
CF does have a bit more work to do when you use open/close custom tags
for exactly the reason you suspect.  (It has to buffer the content
between the tags, but it was going to buffer it anyway, just in a
different place.) There are also some limitations (like not being able
to use cfflush between those open/close tags), but those are mostly just
things to be aware of and probably shouldn't affect your decision much.
(We use open/close tags for the body too, and once in a while I wish we
didn't, but not for performance reasons and we've always found a way to
make it work out.)
Thanks
Mark

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:00 PM
To: cf-talk
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Thanks. I just thought if the tag has a body too, then it somehow has to
'keep track' of the body hence it will be slow. But glad to know that
isn't the case. 



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Re: custom tags slow?

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Brian Dumbledore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I put my header and footer html in a custom tag (header - executionmode eq 
> start, footer - executionmode not start). And I have rest of my cf stuff 
> within the tag body.
>
> Is this recommended? My concern is, having huge body will somehow slow down 
> the tag/page ? Is it better to have two udfs? header() and footer().
>
> Any comments ?

You will not notice the overhead. I've done a lot of formatting like
this. I tend to switch things up a bit more now and throw those hooks
in application.cfc













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Re: custom tags slow?

[Brian Dumbledore]

Thanks. I just thought if the tag has a body too, then it somehow has to 'keep 
track' of the body hence it will be slow. But glad to know that isn't the case. 

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Re: custom tags slow?

[Barney Boisvert]

There is slight overhead for invoking a custom tag, but it's similar
to invoking a UDF, and small enough to safely ignore.  Certainly
nothing to worry about until you have load testing data that says you
should, and even then there's a LONG list of other things to optimize
first.

cheers,
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Brian Dumbledore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I put my header and footer html in a custom tag (header - executionmode eq 
> start, footer - executionmode not start). And I have rest of my cf stuff 
> within the tag body.
>
> Is this recommended? My concern is, having huge body will somehow slow down 
> the tag/page ? Is it better to have two udfs? header() and footer().
>
> Any comments ?
>
> 

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RE: Custom Tags

[Steve LaBadie]

Duh!!

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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Custom Tags

Steve LaBadie wrote:
> I have a CustomTag called iPoll.cfm. Not sure if I should choose the
> Register Java CFX or Register C++ CFX. Does it matter?

Yes it matters and you choose . drum role please  neither.

Java CFX are for Custom Tags written in ahem Java and C++ CFX are for 
Custom Tags written in viola C++

CFML tags do not need to be registered, just dropped into a Custom Tag 
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Re: Custom Tags

[Ian Skinner]

Steve LaBadie wrote:
> I have a CustomTag called iPoll.cfm. Not sure if I should choose the
> Register Java CFX or Register C++ CFX. Does it matter?

Yes it matters and you choose . drum role please  neither.

Java CFX are for Custom Tags written in ahem Java and C++ CFX are for 
Custom Tags written in viola C++

CFML tags do not need to be registered, just dropped into a Custom Tag 
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RE: Custom Tags

[Dave Watts]

> I have a CustomTag called iPoll.cfm. Not sure if I should 
> choose the Register Java CFX or Register C++ CFX. Does it matter?

You don't register CFML custom tags. You either put them in a specified
custom tags directory, or reference them within your code using the CFMODULE
tag, or specify a tag directory in your code using FIMPORT, or specify a tag
directory using the new attributes in Application.cfc in CF8.

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RE: Custom Tags Ignoring CSS

[William Seiter]

The solution will be determined by the output of the custom tag.  CSS is
browser-based and therefore coldfusion should have no effect on it.

Check for output that has a defined background color in the generated output
from the custom tag.

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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:18 PM
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Subject: Custom Tags Ignoring CSS

If anyone is working on a Sunday like I am, I am having a problem with
custom tags that are ignoring CSS positioning.  Below is an example of what
is going on.

 

When the screen is resized in IE, works fine is FF, the "INFO Center"
content does not change position as the window is enlarged / reduced.

 

Current Code:

 







 

Working Example:

http://sb.centuron.net  

 

When I hard code the content of the custom tag into the table cell it
displays perfectly in both FF and IE. I am on MX 6.1 Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Brian



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RE: Custom Tags Ignoring CSS

[Adrian Lynch]

View the source of both examples, using the custom tag and directly in the
page. Chances are something is different between the two. CF won't do
anything to your CSS.

The only thing I can see it might be is the # in the bgcolor attribute.

Adrian
http://www.adrianlynch.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Brian R. Polackoff
Sent: 30 December 2007 21:18
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Custom Tags Ignoring CSS

If anyone is working on a Sunday like I am, I am having a problem with
custom tags that are ignoring CSS positioning.  Below is an example of what
is going on.

When the screen is resized in IE, works fine is FF, the "INFO Center"
content does not change position as the window is enlarged / reduced.

Current Code:







Working Example:

http://sb.centuron.net 

When I hard code the content of the custom tag into the table cell it
displays perfectly in both FF and IE. I am on MX 6.1 Any ideas?

Thanks,

Brian


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Re: custom tags and UNC or map network drives

[Jochem van Dieten]

Miguel Gonzalez wrote:
>> Miguel_Gonzalez_Castaños wrote:
>>>   We have a Windows Server 2003 running Coldfusion MX. When I try to 
>>> create a custom tag using UNC paths or map network drives it simply 
>>> doesn't work. Apparently only admits local drives.

> I have checked and the Application Server is running under a domain account

That is interesting. If you log on to the server interactively using the 
account the Application server uses, can you then access the shares?

Jochem

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Re: custom tags and UNC or map network drives

[Ian Skinner]

Make sure that the domain account that CF is running under has the 
desired permissions to the network resource you want to map to.

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RE: custom tags and UNC or map network drives

[Dawson, Michael]

The Application Server service is the only service that needs to run as a 
domain account.

Also, make sure that particular domain account can actually access the remote 
file system.

Finally, have you setup a CF mapping or CF custom tag path that points to the 
remote file system?

M!ke 

-Original Message-
From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: custom tags and UNC or map network drives

>Miguel_Gonzalez_Castaños wrote:
>>   We have a Windows Server 2003 running Coldfusion MX. When I try to 
>> create a custom tag using UNC paths or map network drives it simply 
>> doesn't work. Apparently only admits local drives. Is there any way 
>> to work around this? We have the content of the IIS site hosted in a 
>> NAS and would like to keep it all together.
>
>By default CF runs under a local system account that can only access 
>local resources. Change the account and try again:
>http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/configuring_13.html#117
>0613
>
>Jochem

I have checked and the Application Server is running under a domain account but 
the ODB C Server, ODBC Agent and the Search Server are under a local account, 
which one should I change?

Many thanks for the promptly answer

Miguel

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Re: custom tags and UNC or map network drives

[Miguel Gonzalez]

>Miguel_Gonzalez_Castaños wrote:
>>   We have a Windows Server 2003 running Coldfusion MX. When I try to 
>> create a custom tag using UNC paths or map network drives it simply 
>> doesn't work. Apparently only admits local drives. Is there any way to 
>> work around this? We have the content of the IIS site hosted in a NAS 
>> and would like to keep it all together.
>
>By default CF runs under a local system account that can only access 
>local resources. Change the account and try again:
>http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/configuring_13.html#1170613
>
>Jochem

I have checked and the Application Server is running under a domain account but 
the ODB C Server, ODBC Agent and the Search Server are under a local account, 
which one should I change?

Many thanks for the promptly answer

Miguel

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