Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
You could stick phpmailer up there and try using that when the issue occurs to see if it is limited to cf, perhsps you will get some better debugging data. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 15:37, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Documentation for Google Apps: http://support.google.com/a/?hl=en Calendar of Changes: http://whatsnew.googleapps.com/ On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356670 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Maybe also try another Gmail account from CF when the issue crops up. This with Russ 's suggestion would narrow it further to a CF, server or Gmail account issue. Also, do your from addresses in the emails match your Gmail account? I can see them potentially blocking if not, thinking the account was compromised, and locking the account for a time period. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Aug 30, 2013 5:41 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: You could stick phpmailer up there and try using that when the issue occurs to see if it is limited to cf, perhsps you will get some better debugging data. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 15:37, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356671 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Might have to give that a try Byron, but I will need to talk to hostek first as they will no longer re-spool any mail if it stops again. Which means that unless it is respooled no mail will be allowed through. And yes the from email matches the account. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe also try another Gmail account from CF when the issue crops up. This with Russ 's suggestion would narrow it further to a CF, server or Gmail account issue. Also, do your from addresses in the emails match your Gmail account? I can see them potentially blocking if not, thinking the account was compromised, and locking the account for a time period. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Aug 30, 2013 5:41 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: You could stick phpmailer up there and try using that when the issue occurs to see if it is limited to cf, perhsps you will get some better debugging data. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 15:37, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356673 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
perhaps you should suggest they use my automatic respooler then they will never have to manually respool anyone's mail http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/cfmail-automatic-respooler On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Might have to give that a try Byron, but I will need to talk to hostek first as they will no longer re-spool any mail if it stops again. Which means that unless it is respooled no mail will be allowed through. And yes the from email matches the account. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe also try another Gmail account from CF when the issue crops up. This with Russ 's suggestion would narrow it further to a CF, server or Gmail account issue. Also, do your from addresses in the emails match your Gmail account? I can see them potentially blocking if not, thinking the account was compromised, and locking the account for a time period. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Aug 30, 2013 5:41 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: You could stick phpmailer up there and try using that when the issue occurs to see if it is limited to cf, perhsps you will get some better debugging data. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 15:37, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356677 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Except as I said in this case the server also needs restarting. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: perhaps you should suggest they use my automatic respooler then they will never have to manually respool anyone's mail http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/cfmail-automatic-respooler ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356678 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
then I think there is no hope for you, you have pretty much dismissed every suggestion given. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Except as I said in this case the server also needs restarting. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: perhaps you should suggest they use my automatic respooler then they will never have to manually respool anyone's mail http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/cfmail-automatic-respooler ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356679 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Imap for Gmail has a 15 connection limit for an account. I'm wondering (as others) of this is simply something similar for smtp. It is quite feasible Gmail is throttling connections from a single ip or subnet where the hostek server resides. Maybe some previous abuse by the ip. Now that you have the cname workaround in place, did hostek revert back to the maintain connections enabled? I could maybe see the behavior you described, if another customer on the server is sending a large number of mails, and they have connection caching disabled and/or are spooling to memory. They should be spooling to disk and have maintain connections enabled. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Byron, to be honest this is something that I am not familiar with and have left that stuff up to Hostek. I have passed this thread on to Hostek to maybe provide more details and maybe get some other perspective on this problem. But from what Hostek have told me, even if the maintain connections is enabled, would the CNAME trick stop that in its tracks? Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: Imap for Gmail has a 15 connection limit for an account. I'm wondering (as others) of this is simply something similar for smtp. It is quite feasible Gmail is throttling connections from a single ip or subnet where the hostek server resides. Maybe some previous abuse by the ip. Now that you have the cname workaround in place, did hostek revert back to the maintain connections enabled? I could maybe see the behavior you described, if another customer on the server is sending a large number of mails, and they have connection caching disabled and/or are spooling to memory. They should be spooling to disk and have maintain connections enabled. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Ah yes I forgot there is no longer a free version. But it is worth paying for if youbojly have 1 or 2 users then it is cheap. otherwise your best best is to use some other domain temporarilyfor 30 days which you can use to reproduce the problem. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 03:08, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: You can upgrade to google apps for business 30 day trial, during which time you can get support. I would not recommend this to anyone who wants to continue using Apps without paying after the trial is over. Google doesn't guarantee you can downgrade from the Apps for Business trial back to the previous free version of Apps. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356627 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 08:19, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Byron, to be honest this is something that I am not familiar with and have left that stuff up to Hostek. I have passed this thread on to Hostek to maybe provide more details and maybe get some other perspective on this problem. But from what Hostek have told me, even if the maintain connections is enabled, would the CNAME trick stop that in its tracks? Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: Imap for Gmail has a 15 connection limit for an account. I'm wondering (as others) of this is simply something similar for smtp. It is quite feasible Gmail is throttling connections from a single ip or subnet where the hostek server resides. Maybe some previous abuse by the ip. Now that you have the cname workaround in place, did hostek revert back to the maintain connections enabled? I could maybe see the behavior you described, if another customer on the server is sending a large number of mails, and they have connection caching disabled and/or are spooling to memory. They should be spooling to disk and have maintain connections enabled. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356630 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356634 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356636 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
perhaps they have automatic respooling enabled, I know a lot of cf hosts do use my automatic respooler plugin for cfadmin. In which case, again you would not notice the issue if you do not have to contact them and ask them to do it manually. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356639 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
True, but the first time I noticed the issue, was 10 days of no mails. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: perhaps they have automatic respooling enabled, I know a lot of cf hosts do use my automatic respooler plugin for cfadmin. In which case, again you would not notice the issue if you do not have to contact them and ask them to do it manually. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356640 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Documentation for Google Apps: http://support.google.com/a/?hl=en Calendar of Changes: http://whatsnew.googleapps.com/ On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
and you have confirmed that is definitely not due to the reasons we have already discussed ? I can't how you could have confirmed that without speaking to google support. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: True, but the first time I noticed the issue, was 10 days of no mails. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: perhaps they have automatic respooling enabled, I know a lot of cf hosts do use my automatic respooler plugin for cfadmin. In which case, again you would not notice the issue if you do not have to contact them and ask them to do it manually. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356642 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
I can't confirm anything. But what I can tell you is that if it is a connection issue, then I would not be able to send using the same credentials from another server. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: and you have confirmed that is definitely not due to the reasons we have already discussed ? I can't how you could have confirmed that without speaking to google support. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: True, but the first time I noticed the issue, was 10 days of no mails. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: perhaps they have automatic respooling enabled, I know a lot of cf hosts do use my automatic respooler plugin for cfadmin. In which case, again you would not notice the issue if you do not have to contact them and ask them to do it manually. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356667 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
sorry but that is completely wrong. another server would have another completely different IP address, so would not be affected by any existing blocks or limits. On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: I can't confirm anything. But what I can tell you is that if it is a connection issue, then I would not be able to send using the same credentials from another server. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: and you have confirmed that is definitely not due to the reasons we have already discussed ? I can't how you could have confirmed that without speaking to google support. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: True, but the first time I noticed the issue, was 10 days of no mails. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: perhaps they have automatic respooling enabled, I know a lot of cf hosts do use my automatic respooler plugin for cfadmin. In which case, again you would not notice the issue if you do not have to contact them and ask them to do it manually. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yeah I thought about that, but the mail would still have to be re-spooled and I am told that no other customer is having this issue. But I agree, it is certainly possible it was happening and nobody had noticed. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Is it possible you just didn't notice till now. If oyhrr people were requesting cf restarts such an issue could go a long time without anyone noticing. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 12:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Thanks Russ, just trying to see if there has been any changes in the last 6 weeks. Reason being is that this is when this problem started, and has worked flawlessly for 8 months prior to that. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have no idea, I am simply offering up possible causes for you investigate. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 11:05, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Russ, do you know if the connection limit has changed in the last 6 weeks? If it hasn't then I am inclined to think this is not the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Yes because as I also suggested yesterday if this is a connection limit issue then maintaining the connection would he the cause. The cname makes no difference to that because you are still connecting to the same server, the cname is just an alias. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356668 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Problem is that everything I know is in this thread, Hostek haven't been saying much about the issue. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: sorry but that is completely wrong. another server would have another completely different IP address, so would not be affected by any existing blocks or limits. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356669 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356602 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356603 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356604 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
I presume you have checked your sent items to be sure? It may be that the cf problem has caused spam blocks to kick in and block the hostek server. Unfortunately if you are just using a free gmail account then you get no support so cannot contact google to find out. You could ask hostek if you vould get an extract from the mail log and see if it tells you anything. My best suggestion would still be to use sendgrid.net. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:26, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Is there a pattern to the email TO address when the problem comes up? On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356606 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. You mean the CF mail logs? Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I presume you have checked your sent items to be sure? It may be that the cf problem has caused spam blocks to kick in and block the hostek server. Unfortunately if you are just using a free gmail account then you get no support so cannot contact google to find out. You could ask hostek if you vould get an extract from the mail log and see if it tells you anything. My best suggestion would still be to use sendgrid.net. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:26, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356607 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
I mean checked the sent items for how many mails are being sent. Yes the cfmail logs. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:41, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. You mean the CF mail logs? Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I presume you have checked your sent items to be sure? It may be that the cf problem has caused spam blocks to kick in and block the hostek server. Unfortunately if you are just using a free gmail account then you get no support so cannot contact google to find out. You could ask hostek if you vould get an extract from the mail log and see if it tells you anything. My best suggestion would still be to use sendgrid.net. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:26, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356608 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Michael, No there is no pattern, at least I can't see a pattern. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Michael Dinowitz mdino...@houseoffusion.com wrote: Is there a pattern to the email TO address when the problem comes up? On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Yes, Russ the amount of emails sent out is at most 50 a day, but averages around 20 a day. I have seen as low as 6 being sent before the problem has occurred again. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I mean checked the sent items for how many mails are being sent. Yes the cfmail logs. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:41, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. You mean the CF mail logs? Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I presume you have checked your sent items to be sure? It may be that the cf problem has caused spam blocks to kick in and block the hostek server. Unfortunately if you are just using a free gmail account then you get no support so cannot contact google to find out. You could ask hostek if you vould get an extract from the mail log and see if it tells you anything. My best suggestion would still be to use sendgrid.net. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:26, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many connections from same ip perhspd. Again as with the spam blocking you hsve no way to verify with a free gmail account. You could signup one of your domains for google apps so you can get support. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:46, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Yes, Russ the amount of emails sent out is at most 50 a day, but averages around 20 a day. I have seen as low as 6 being sent before the problem has occurred again. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I mean checked the sent items for how many mails are being sent. Yes the cfmail logs. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:41, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. You mean the CF mail logs? Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I presume you have checked your sent items to be sure? It may be that the cf problem has caused spam blocks to kick in and block the hostek server. Unfortunately if you are just using a free gmail account then you get no support so cannot contact google to find out. You could ask hostek if you vould get an extract from the mail log and see if it tells you anything. My best suggestion would still be to use sendgrid.net. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:26, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well there is no way I can be reaching the daily limit, at the most around 50 emails a day is sent out which is a far cry from the limits that Google have in place. As I am now using a CNAME in the DNS for my mail server, that hasn't helped at all, it continues to stop sending. And if I am reaching my limits? How does it work for 8 months sending the same amount of emails a day, then just stop working! Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If it is only gmail that is having this issue then I would say that a very likely cause is that you are exceeding the daily sending limit. This is even more likely if emails are being sent through the wrong account as other customers would using up your sending limit and vice versa. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 00:03, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well Hostek have come back today and stated that they will not support the use of Gmail Apps on their servers any more. As it continues to stop sending mail, they have no clue as to why this started happening and have given up on the problem. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
This is Google Apps... Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many connections from same ip perhspd. Again as with the spam blocking you hsve no way to verify with a free gmail account. You could signup one of your domains for google apps so you can get support. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Ffs, then just contact google support and ask them. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 01:20, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is Google Apps... Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many connections from same ip perhspd. Again as with the spam blocking you hsve no way to verify with a free gmail account. You could signup one of your domains for google apps so you can get support. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356613 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Because even though I am using Google Apps, I am still considered to be using the free version of Google Apps. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Ffs, then just contact google support and ask them. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 01:20, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is Google Apps... Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many connections from same ip perhspd. Again as with the spam blocking you hsve no way to verify with a free gmail account. You could signup one of your domains for google apps so you can get support. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356614 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
And I don't believe this is a gmail issue either and seems to lead to a problem with / at Hostek itself. Here is what I do know. Obviously if the mail is using the ColdFusion default details, aka the relay Hostek have setup, the mail is sent. If I use the gmail server on hostek it will eventually fail. When it fails on Hostek, I can still use the same credentials on another server and the mail is still sent. It is almost like as suggested, the mail is being seen as spam from hostek somehow. Hostek have now made changes, something along the lines of the JRE caching the DNS indefinitely, which has now been changed to ever 4 hours. So I will now have to wait and see if this changes anything. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
You can upgrade to google apps for business 30 day trial, during which time you can get support. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 01:53, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Because even though I am using Google Apps, I am still considered to be using the free version of Google Apps. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Ffs, then just contact google support and ask them. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 29 Aug 2013 01:20, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is Google Apps... Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: If there are a lot of customers using gmail then it coulf be too many connections from same ip perhspd. Again as with the spam blocking you hsve no way to verify with a free gmail account. You could signup one of your domains for google apps so you can get support. Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356616 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. This statement is a bit off to me. Are you saying your Gmail sent items folder has the email in it, which was sent from the ColdFusion server? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356617 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Ok lets be clear this is not the normal gmail, only the smtp.gmail.com is being used to send the mail. But yes when you send mail using your google app account, the sent mail is sitting in the sent folder. This is how I found out about the spool connection issue to begin with, as many other customers on the same server, who sent mail using gmail, is sitting in my sent folder. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. This statement is a bit off to me. Are you saying your Gmail sent items folder has the email in it, which was sent from the ColdFusion server? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356618 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
You can upgrade to google apps for business 30 day trial, during which time you can get support. I would not recommend this to anyone who wants to continue using Apps without paying after the trial is over. Google doesn't guarantee you can downgrade from the Apps for Business trial back to the previous free version of Apps. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356619 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Thanks Dave, I actually suspected that, but wasn't sure. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: You can upgrade to google apps for business 30 day trial, during which time you can get support. I would not recommend this to anyone who wants to continue using Apps without paying after the trial is over. Google doesn't guarantee you can downgrade from the Apps for Business trial back to the previous free version of Apps. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356620 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
So the emails are going into the Sent folder on Google's mail servers but not getting to their recipients? That's implying they're getting to Google OK and it's a deliverability issue on their end not an issue with getting the messages from your CF server to Google. On 8/28/13 7:03 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Ok lets be clear this is not the normal gmail, only the smtp.gmail.com is being used to send the mail. But yes when you send mail using your google app account, the sent mail is sitting in the sent folder. This is how I found out about the spool connection issue to begin with, as many other customers on the same server, who sent mail using gmail, is sitting in my sent folder. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. This statement is a bit off to me. Are you saying your Gmail sent items folder has the email in it, which was sent from the ColdFusion server? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
No, when the mail stops working there is nothing in the sent folder until the server is restarted. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:22 PM, .jonah jonah@creori.com wrote: So the emails are going into the Sent folder on Google's mail servers but not getting to their recipients? That's implying they're getting to Google OK and it's a deliverability issue on their end not an issue with getting the messages from your CF server to Google. On 8/28/13 7:03 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Ok lets be clear this is not the normal gmail, only the smtp.gmail.comis being used to send the mail. But yes when you send mail using your google app account, the sent mail is sitting in the sent folder. This is how I found out about the spool connection issue to begin with, as many other customers on the same server, who sent mail using gmail, is sitting in my sent folder. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: When you say checked sent items? If you mean do I go into my sent mail and see the mail sitting there? Then the answer is yes, that is how I know the mail is not being sent. This statement is a bit off to me. Are you saying your Gmail sent items folder has the email in it, which was sent from the ColdFusion server? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356622 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
The only thing that I see in the logs is the following. *Error,scheduler-0,08/25/13,17:05:17,,javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: smtp.domain.com, port: 465; nested exception is: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Server key* * * *javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: ** smtp.domain.com**, port: 465;* That looks to me like a regular SSL/TLS error. It's looking for a TLS certificate from smtp.domain.com, but Gmail's certificate is going to return smtp.gmail.com. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356559 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
that certainly is a possibility Dave, however if that was the problem then one would expect it to happen consistently not intermittently. I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. Andrew did you try NOT spooling the emails to disk ? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: The only thing that I see in the logs is the following. *Error,scheduler-0,08/25/13,17:05:17,,javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: smtp.domain.com, port: 465; nested exception is: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Server key* * * *javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: ** smtp.domain.com**, port: 465;* That looks to me like a regular SSL/TLS error. It's looking for a TLS certificate from smtp.domain.com, but Gmail's certificate is going to return smtp.gmail.com. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356560 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356561 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356562 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Russ Dave, that is the thing I made the DNS change on the weekend and waited for it to propagate around before making the change to use that DNS entry. Problem is I think it stopped sending prior to that change and of course it works flawlessly here locally to the same DNS entry. I have had it re-spooled again and may have to wait 2 more days and see if it stops again. But I am not 100% sure, but I think I did make the application changes before it stopped sending again. Hostek have stated that they have changed and double checked all certificates, and even re applied them from my understanding as well. As well as rolling back any patches just to make sure. The annoying thing is that it seems to be related to that damn spool problem, as Hostek have stated twice in the last 4-5 days that they have removed that setting. And it seems to be around the time it has stopped on both occasions. I can only hope that the 2 are completely related. Hostek have pinged Adobe and are awaiting for them to help out here, Hostek are usually very good with these sort of problems, after all they discovered this original problem 8 months ago, and although I can't recall the only problem I was having then, was that I saw Hostek customers emails in my sent folder. But this even has them stumped now for 5 weeks. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that still doesn't change the fact that it should be either accepted or rejected, not accepted for a while and then rejected until CF is restarted, I think Andrew needs to double check that the emails are actually sending when using the CNAME record. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I can't say I have tested with CF, but in general SMTP over SSL should work as long as there is a valid certificate regardless of the domain, when using an email client you can choose to ignore any errors relating tot he domain name. When you use a browser, you can ignore certificate errors too. You often don't have that option when using certificates from within programs that aren't designed for end-users. CF people wouldn't have to fiddle with the keystore if we could just ignore cert errors. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356563 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Do things work reliably in a non ssl port? Or does Gmail require ssl? Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
Do things work reliably in a non ssl port? Or does Gmail require ssl? Gmail requires TLS if you're going to authenticate. If I recall correctly, you need to authenticate if you're going to send to non-Gmail users. For example, I have a scanner that I've set up to email people within our Apps domain - it doesn't need TLS, but it can only send to those people. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: More Mail woes with Gmail with ColdFusion
That should be ColdFusion 10 and Java 1.6... Not sure how that got trimmed or maybe I just thought it :-) Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Ok since my last post on a similar subject, I added the smtp.domain.comas an alias to smtp.gmail.com to stop the chances of me receiving other peoples mail in my sent folder. Not sure why but someone on Hostek keeps putting the maintain mail connection back on, so it was was a good idea to add the above to my DNS and see how things go. However, the mail is still continuing to stop being sent every two days. The only thing that I see in the logs is the following. *Error,scheduler-0,08/25/13,17:05:17,,javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: smtp.domain.com, port: 465; nested exception is: javax.net.ssl.SSLException: Server key* * * *javax.mail.MessagingException: Could not connect to SMTP host: ** smtp.domain.com**, port: 465;* There seems to be very little out there on this searchable by google, for ColdFusion but plenty of information for Java problems with this error. However I did come across the following, who appears to be having the same issue. https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bugid=3583375 As well as https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=473354# And something that seems to affect Java 7 http://www.gubatron.com/blog/2013/08/07/solved-java7-smtp-issue-caused-by-sun-security-pkcs11-wrapper-pkcs11exception/ What I can tell you is that the host I am using, Hostek are using ColdFusion 1.6 and I think the revision is 024. I can also confirm that the dates from the amazon link, seem to be around the same time I started getting this problem. Sending them back for re-spool seems to work, not sure if there is anything else my host is doing, as I assumed they are just re-spooling the mail. But it will stay working for 2 days and then stop like clock work, until we repeat the respool again. I have no clue on the full stack trace, as the only information I see is what I have posted above. I might ping Hostek again, and see if they have a full stack trace on this. I am reaching out to others here, hopefully trying to find a solution that will stop this in its tracks. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356558 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
