Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
What I've found interesting about this discussion, is that I consider ColdFusion Studio to be a specialized text editor. Yes it does have wizards and buttons to make things 'easier' for those that are still in the learning stage, but it inserts CODE. that you then have to be able to understand and alter. The bonuses of CF Studio is a) the color coding and b) the handy reference of CF/HTML help files built in. (Not to mention the RDS debugging, etc). The drawback as has been rightly pointed out is the inherent instability these type of environments seem to have :( Oh and btw, Dreamweaver is very nice, and IF you set things right in the preferences, doesn't mangle existing code! I despise FrontPage and have for years, but Dreamweaver is the tops in WYSIWYG choices. Please direct all responses to the newsgroup so that all may benefit from my lack of wisdom! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
I have to disagree with you on this one. I use both DW and CF and switch back and forth between the two on a regular basis. You can set up Dreamweaver to ignore CF code quite easily in the Preferences using the HTML rewriting. The attitude that only a text based editor is the way to go reminds me of those who consider using a quill pen and parchment infinately superior to a word processor or even pen and paper. regards, larry -- Larry C. Lyons EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 201 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 x253 fax: (703) 393-2659 http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message D09A1A0FB7FDD211A92D00805FBBD8A1190EF6@CLTNTSXCHANGE">news:D09A1A0FB7FDD211A92D00805FBBD8A1190EF6@CLTNTSXCHANGE... Yes DreamWrecker is still the best WYSIWYG out there but it destroys code no matter how you set it up. I've spend MANY, MANY days rewriting DreamWrecker generated code. Nothing can replace human generated code by a competent developer. * Mike Fleming CF Codeslinger "I spent my whole life not knowing what I want out of it, just chasing my tail. Now for the first time I know exactly what I want and who... that's the damnable misery of it." Tombstone -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 What I've found interesting about this discussion, is that I consider ColdFusion Studio to be a specialized text editor. Yes it does have wizards and buttons to make things 'easier' for those that are still in the learning stage, but it inserts CODE. that you then have to be able to understand and alter. The bonuses of CF Studio is a) the color coding and b) the handy reference of CF/HTML help files built in. (Not to mention the RDS debugging, etc). The drawback as has been rightly pointed out is the inherent instability these type of environments seem to have :( Oh and btw, Dreamweaver is very nice, and IF you set things right in the preferences, doesn't mangle existing code! I despise FrontPage and have for years, but Dreamweaver is the tops in WYSIWYG choices. Please direct all responses to the newsgroup so that all may benefit from my lack of wisdom! -- -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
I have not used Version 3. In the early versions of 2, it would destroy CF related tags, most notably the cfif tag. It has gotten better as Dreamweaver has been updated and has integrated better with ColdFusion. I'm just old school I guess who likes to see well formatted, indented, neat and easily readable code. Everyone has their own opinion and can use the tools they choose to use :) * Mike Fleming CF Codeslinger "I spent my whole life not knowing what I want out of it, just chasing my tail. Now for the first time I know exactly what I want and who... that's the damnable misery of it." Tombstone -Original Message- From: Mack, Chris R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 That is not the case. In version 3 it has an option to not touch the code for certain file extensions. The only time it changes the code is when you make a change. I have never seen a page "wrecked". If it was as bad as you say, why would so many professionals use it? I'm sure human generated code gets "wrecked" more often then any other form. Even by the most competent designers. It might be easier to correct since you can just backspace over your error, but errors are still made. IMHO using Homesite/CF Studio is not a text editor either. The only true text editors are vi/notepad. CF Studio is a tool that is just like Dreamweaver. It helps you with syntax, let's you know if you've used an invalid tag, etc. So creating a site in CF Studio is not the same as creating it in notepad. Some people do not have all day to generate a simple page by using notepad as their editor, some do. Dreamweaver has proven to be one of the best tools for creating sites, and will continue to be the best for a long time to come. Chris Mack -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 Yes DreamWrecker is still the best WYSIWYG out there but it destroys code no matter how you set it up. I've spend MANY, MANY days rewriting DreamWrecker generated code. Nothing can replace human generated code by a competent developer. * Mike Fleming CF Codeslinger "I spent my whole life not knowing what I want out of it, just chasing my tail. Now for the first time I know exactly what I want and who... that's the damnable misery of it." Tombstone -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 What I've found interesting about this discussion, is that I consider ColdFusion Studio to be a specialized text editor. Yes it does have wizards and buttons to make things 'easier' for those that are still in the learning stage, but it inserts CODE. that you then have to be able to understand and alter. The bonuses of CF Studio is a) the color coding and b) the handy reference of CF/HTML help files built in. (Not to mention the RDS debugging, etc). The drawback as has been rightly pointed out is the inherent instability these type of environments seem to have :( Oh and btw, Dreamweaver is very nice, and IF you set things right in the preferences, doesn't mangle existing code! I despise FrontPage and have for years, but Dreamweaver is the tops in WYSIWYG choices. Please direct all responses to the newsgroup so that all may benefit from my lack of wisdom! -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
That's interesting... Choose Edit/Preferences, uncheck everything and it won't touch your code no matter how much it dislikes it. I've used it in this fashion doing all sorts of strange htm/cfml stunts and code twisting... Just an FWIW... Please direct all responses to the newsgroup so that all may benefit from my lack of wisdom! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 Yes DreamWrecker is still the best WYSIWYG out there but it destroys code no matter how you set it up. I've spend MANY, MANY days rewriting DreamWrecker generated code. Nothing can replace human generated code by a competent developer. * Mike Fleming CF Codeslinger "I spent my whole life not knowing what I want out of it, just chasing my tail. Now for the first time I know exactly what I want and who... that's the damnable misery of it." Tombstone -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 What I've found interesting about this discussion, is that I consider ColdFusion Studio to be a specialized text editor. Yes it does have wizards and buttons to make things 'easier' for those that are still in the learning stage, but it inserts CODE. that you then have to be able to understand and alter. The bonuses of CF Studio is a) the color coding and b) the handy reference of CF/HTML help files built in. (Not to mention the RDS debugging, etc). The drawback as has been rightly pointed out is the inherent instability these type of environments seem to have :( Oh and btw, Dreamweaver is very nice, and IF you set things right in the preferences, doesn't mangle existing code! I despise FrontPage and have for years, but Dreamweaver is the tops in WYSIWYG choices. Please direct all responses to the newsgroup so that all may benefit from my lack of wisdom! -- -- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
I certainly consider myself a senior ColdFusion programmer, having used it since version 1.0 beta. However, I NEVER use the query builder, primarily because I have found it be kludgy. I generally white-board my database design and queries. Sometimes I use Access to mock-up a query before inserting it into my code. I have never selected a candidate for a CF programming job based on the answer to "do you use the query builder in studio?", because in my opinion, it simply isn't relevant. DC - Original Message - From: Judith Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 22:00 Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors At 04:32 PM 04/12/2000 Lon Lentz wrote: However, I use cfstudio for its ability to help me better utilize my time. I disable design view. But the shortcuts are great. The access and control it gives to your databases is handy. The query designer (with an ability to build and test a query before you code it) is far too useful not to use. What amazes me is the number of people who consider themselves senior cold fusion programmers, and have never used the query builder, or even know about it. Apparently the little build button in the query tag edit has completely escaped their attention. I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using anything but CF Studio. Kinda like trying to build a house without a hammer or nails. Judith Campbell Chief Technical Officer Digital Positions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 404-351-9366 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
At 08:07 PM 4/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: Maybe I'm missing what you are wishing for here but I drag and drop table and column names all the time. It would be nice to be able to drag and drop all column names in a table at once however. Ken You can do that too. Just click on the first name, then the last and drag them all down. Or selectively click using your mouse and control key. Judith -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
At 12:39 PM 4/13/2000 -, you wrote: I certainly consider myself a senior ColdFusion programmer, having used it since version 1.0 beta. However, I NEVER use the query builder, primarily because I have found it be kludgy. I generally white-board my database design and queries. Sometimes I use Access to mock-up a query before inserting it into my code. I have never selected a candidate for a CF programming job based on the answer to "do you use the query builder in studio?", because in my opinion, it simply isn't relevant. DC Maybe so, but my comment wasn't about them using it, it was that they didn't even know it existed. Also, I'm paying these people a nice little chunk of money, and it is more than a little irritating to watch them spend 30 minutes hand typing all the field name for a long query that they could create in the builder in 30 seconds. JMHO. Judith C -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
You can do that too. Just click on the first name, then the last and drag them all down. Or selectively click using your mouse and control key. That works for me in the Query Builder which I rarely use but not in the database tab area where I want it. Ken -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
Also, I'm paying these people a nice little chunk of money, and it is more than a little irritating to watch them spend 30 minutes hand typing all the field name for a long query that they could create in the builder in 30 seconds. That's sort of an amusing statement really. What you are suggesting is that the developer "disconnect" themselves from the actual programming of the site. Do you promote the use of frontpage/dreamweaver also? It is alot quicker to write html in a WYSIWYG. However, what happens when you ask that developer who just spent 30 seconds building a query to debug the results? Or possibly explain why a join is not quite working as advertised? Sometimes taking shortcuts like the query builder or WYSIWYG editors costs more on the backend. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
A lot of senior cold fusion programmers know SQL and don't need to use the query builder (which is honestly, pretty limited). I, for one, appreciated it when I was learning CF and SQL, but now I find it quicker and more efficient to write my own code. Sharon At 06:00 PM 4/12/00 -0400, you wrote: What amazes me is the number of people who consider themselves senior cold fusion programmers, and have never used the query builder, or even know about it. Apparently the little build button in the query tag edit has completely escaped their attention. I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using anything but CF Studio. Kinda like trying to build a house without a hammer or nails. Judith Campbell Chief Technical Officer Digital Positions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 404-351-9366 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to quick in and out... I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3, Benthic's Golden32 I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more than I really need. When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack at the coding... Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting to be a like I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does... I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for them... I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without wanting to learn about how to get that results This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it... CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools... This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user... It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay... Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL Helpers and so on? Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp or other music over the internet while working What do you do? -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
GoLive is just as bad as FrontPage as far as proprietary comments and markup. I've had to work with GoLive files made by customers and it took me more time to remove all the proprietary GoLive crap than it would have taken me to just make the whole thing myself (by hand). I didn't say that using a WYSIWYG editor made you unprofessional, I said non of the professionals I know use it and even ones who do can and will handcode stuff more often than not. The point I'm making is the difference between using a WYSIWIG editor or CF Studio to save time although you could do it in Notepad, or using a WYSIWYG editor or Cf Studio because you can't do it by hand. The difference between a professional and an amateur lies right there. If you can hand code everything but use Dreamweaver to layout tables really quickly, or CF Studio to setup Queries more efficiently, that's fine, but when you use Dreamweaver or FrontPage because HTML looks like Chinese (unless you can read Chinese, then maybe it looks like Russian or something), then you are by no means a professional. I doubt the people who make adobe's site use only GoLive to make it. I also doubt the people who make microsoft.com use FrontPage(actually, I know they don't). I think Dreamweaver is the only WYSIWYG editor that gets any respect and I'm sure its for good reason. My guess (I've never used it so I don't know) is because it does stuff right. It doesn't rely on proprietary crap to make stuff work "prettily" (and crash my browser) like FrontPage and GoLive. I refuse to install FP extensions on my server even. If it means less business, oh well. I've worked over a year dealing with customers breaking their FP extensions and trying to fix it for them. It isn't worth it. That may be Dreamweavers only saving grace (Plus its by Macromedia who makes awesome products). -Will (I won't go into MS vs. Unix because its a totally fruitless debate) - Original Message - From: "Mack, Chris R" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors I think a lot of professionals designers use WYSIWYG editors. I use Dreamweaver not because I don't know html, but rather because it saves me time. I can layout and tweak tables much faster using Dreamweaver than I can in CF Studio. Dreamweaver does not leave "messy" code when doing straight html stuff. I mean isn't a table tag the same in Dreamweaver or if done by hand? Frontpage is the one that has given a bad name for WYSIWYG editors. It uses all kinds of proprietary comments and markup to maintain a site. Just because you can do something in notepad does not mean you are any more professional than someone who knows the same code as you and can do the same thing, but chooses to save time by going WYSIWIG. Check out Adobe.com. They are using their product GoLive. You think the web designers there are not professionals? The vi/notepad vs. WYSIWIG is just a remnant of the "M$ vs UNIX" wars. I can hand code all day long, but that's the problem, I have better things to do than to prove that I can layout a table in notepad. Chris R. Mack Manager, Internet Strategies Lockheed Martin Technology Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: William James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 5:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors As far as I'm concerned CF Studio IS a text editor. It's just help files, browser, etc, all in one. I don't really see it any different than having notepad, ftp, IE, and some tutorial websites all open except the convenince factor. I've never and will never use the Design Tab (yuck!) As for using text editors being out dated, I don't know a single professinla designer who uses a WYSIWYG editor. For the most part, only the customers who design their own and constantly have problems use those (*cough* Frontpage *cough*). I type pretty much everything myself, but CF just nicely helps out aging memories like mine :) Pus, there are always times when its easier to just telnet into the machine and use pico or edit to modify files. I think using text editors or non-WYSIWYG editors is not only not outdated but preferred. I can't count the number of times I've been asked "Can you hand code?" by places I've applied for a job. Although I almost always use CF Studio now, I still consider it handcoding. Plus I can always use notepad if need be. -Will - Original Message - From: "Craig M. Rosenblum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code, because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and gui generation But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
I've been using UltraEdit 32 for a few years now, and love it for it's simplicity. The things that get me about studio is exactly what you mentioned: memory consumption, wasted screen space for useless functions, and the list goes on. There are quite a few other developers here at iXL that live in IDE's, and would probably feel a bit more comfortable in an environment with all those neat little buttons surrounding your code, but to be honest, I can type "!---" alot faster than I can pick up my mouse and move up to the CFML toolbar, just to comment some code. Winamp, MusicMatch and Spinner. These are required tools (along with a nice set of Sony Studio headphones.) I love them for their simplicity as well. Hrmp. ;-) -Original Message- From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to quick in and out... I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3, Benthic's Golden32 I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more than I really need. When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack at the coding... Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting to be a like I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does... I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for them... I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without wanting to learn about how to get that results This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it... CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools... This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user... It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay... Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL Helpers and so on? Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp or other music over the internet while working What do you do? -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
To answer the response below... I've been doing stuff with computers since 1980. Back in the good old CPM days when even a simple text editor by today's standards was considered elegant. In the late 80's some pretty cool programming editors came along that would allow huge files to be edited and integrated well with compilers. When winders (I'm from the south) came along, it seemed like a lot more trouble than it was worth. Then NT 3.1 hit, and after some reading, I began to see some reasons for a multithreaded operating system. Then in the 90's lots of good IDE's (Integrated Development Environment) were created by the makers of different programming languages. Microsoft's Visual Studio which includes IDE's for C++, VB, ASP, and Java is just one example. ColdFusion Studio 4.5 is the one I work in most of the time today. It seems that there are two issues here with the "what should I use to create my ColdFusion applications" question. 1 - Time. Is it faster to code with a simpler text editor (your choice, there are many good ones) or take the time to become proficient with ColdFusion Studio and take advantage of it's many labor saving tools. 2 - Reliable programming environment. The simpler text editor is usually rock solid. All IDE's that I have used have bugs. They will cause your computer to crash, or at best just the IDE will crash and will have to be restarted again. Personally, I prefer to take the time to learn the new IDE and take advantage of the tools built into it. Many prefer the opposite approach. That is, use the known rock solid editor and work without the benefit of tools. One final thought, thanks to someone who wrote earlier about Dreamweaver producing only html code. I'll have to try it. After some frustrating experience with MS FrontPage, Dreamweaver may be worth a test drive. OK, this is the final thought. I listen to music when there is lots of work to do, but it's not very creative. When I'm creating new stuff, give me a quite room. -Original Message- From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to quick in and out... I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3, Benthic's Golden32 I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more than I really need. When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack at the coding... Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting to be a like I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does... I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for them... I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without wanting to learn about how to get that results This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it... CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools... This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user... It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay... Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL Helpers and so on? Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp or other music over the internet while working What do you do? -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
I like to get my cf coding done FASTER by dragging and dropping cfml code snips all over the place and then. I actually enter the outside world once in a while (ya know... sunlight) grab the horse from out in th meadow, hook ol bessie up to the carriage and take a buggy ride to the farmers market... milk a cow by hand, slaughter a another one for some steaks and while Im at it kill myself a chicken for some barbecue all the while listening to my walkman. Cuz ya know... that modernized store bought stuff and automobiles is for damn sissies.. The difference in the homesite/studio "tool" is.. it doesnt do the coding for you... it leverages the developers existing knowledge and lets them speed up the doing of many of the "mundane-brainless" tasks requireing excessive "typing". I dont think studio has taught anyone how to properly use session/application/server scoped variables and where to place them.. or stored proc's or code cfml etc... - it just saves time. Period. Being able to type real fast in Notepad or some other text editor doesnt make for a smarter better developer than someone who is able to leverage the tools in studio - its just makes them a better typist. Equating studio to cheating yourself of the knowledge learned by notepad coding doesnt fly. Well.. out a milk... gotta go... steve Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to quick in and out... I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3, Benthic's Golden32 I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more than I really need. When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack at the coding... Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting to be a like I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does... I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for them... I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without wanting to learn about how to get that results This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it... CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools... This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user... It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay... Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL Helpers and so on? Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp or other music over the internet while working What do you do? -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
Create your own custom keyboard short cuts. Then you don't have to leave the keyboard and don't have to type long CF tags. Can even create keyboard shortcuts for your own custom tags! Michael W. Blair Web Applications Developer Canyon WebWorks An Arizona Internet LLC Company http://www.canyon.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHONE: (520) 773-9059 FAX: (520) 773-4945 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 I've been using UltraEdit 32 for a few years now, and love it for it's simplicity. The things that get me about studio is exactly what you mentioned: memory consumption, wasted screen space for useless functions, and the list goes on. There are quite a few other developers here at iXL that live in IDE's, and would probably feel a bit more comfortable in an environment with all those neat little buttons surrounding your code, but to be honest, I can type "!---" alot faster than I can pick up my mouse and move up to the CFML toolbar, just to comment some code. Winamp, MusicMatch and Spinner. These are required tools (along with a nice set of Sony Studio headphones.) I love them for their simplicity as well. Hrmp. ;-) -Original Message- From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to quick in and out... I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3, Benthic's Golden32 I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more than I really need. When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack at the coding... Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting to be a like I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does... I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for them... I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without wanting to learn about how to get that results This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it... CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools... This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user... It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay... Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL Helpers and so on? Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp or other music over the internet while working What do you do? -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
Obviously you've never received 80-90 marked up pages done by professional designers in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver most certainly does produce "messy" code. If you'd like, I'll be happy to send you a sample And I'm sure you could get messy HTML produced with notepad. Are you criticizing the tool or its users? Cheers, Lauchlan M. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
I didn't mention that I type faster when I listen to music no matter what kind of music it is. Byron -Original Message- From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2 Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to quick in and out... I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3, Benthic's Golden32 I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more than I really need. When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack at the coding... Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting to be a like I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does... I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for them... I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without wanting to learn about how to get that results This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it... CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools... This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user... It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay... Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL Helpers and so on? Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp or other music over the internet while working What do you do? -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Text Editors vs Site Editors
I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code, because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and gui generation But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated) or non-conformist... Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio and the like? -Original Message- From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? What a load of hooey! Ignoring the fact that this message was a thinly-disguised advertisement for a competing product... Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware handholding to create high-quality sites. It's my opinion, but if you need this type of layout program to create websites, then you're not a programmer. You may be a designer, but you're not a programmer and should not be allowed to write code. Programmers actually take pride in *understanding what they are doing* instead of just connecting the pretty dots. I certainly don't do all of my coding in notepad, but the editors I do use (Homesite, CF Studio and Visual Studio) are primarily code-editors (First thing I do on install is disable the layout tab). Nonetheless, if Homesite and CF Studio were to disappear tomorrow, you'll find me happily editing in Notepad or vi. Bah, Amateurs! Michael J. Sheldon Internet Applications Developer Phone: 480.699.1084 http://www.desertraven.com/ PGP Key Available on Request -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio and the like? Up until Homesite, I wrote all my code in Notepad and loved it. With Homesite, and later CFStudio, I made the switch and have been very happy with the results. I don't use all the bells and whistles (and I certainly turn off the layout tab also) but I do like having code snippets and color coding. Also, having quick access to the help documentation is great-especially when you just can't remember the attribute for the tag you are using or the format of a function. All in all I use mine like a glorified NotePad and I'm glad that I have the option. It has certainly allowed me to be much more efficient with developing but be totally hands on and in control. Jessica Shea Lead Developer, Professional Products DataCritical (formally Elixis Corp) http://www.datacritical.com http://www.unwireddr.com -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
-Original Message- From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio and the like? Harlan Ellison says he uses an old manual typwriter. I do not believe that that makes him a better writer than someone who uses Word with all of its autocorrecting features enabled. Its sentimental...it may even be quaint...but it just ain't so. I've used text editors to write a lot of programs. I (used to) write straight html in notepad. I hate wysiwyg editors. They make for ugly code. However, I use cfstudio for its ability to help me better utilize my time. I disable design view. But the shortcuts are great. The access and control it gives to your databases is handy. The query designer (with an ability to build and test a query before you code it) is far too useful not to use. CFStudio is a tool. And using programming tools does not make one a lesser programmer. Lon Lentz Applications Developer - GetLists.Com DataWarehousing and List Sales - Market your lists on the Net! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 941-541-9000 Ext. 210 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
As far as I'm concerned CF Studio IS a text editor. It's just help files, browser, etc, all in one. I don't really see it any different than having notepad, ftp, IE, and some tutorial websites all open except the convenince factor. I've never and will never use the Design Tab (yuck!) As for using text editors being out dated, I don't know a single professinla designer who uses a WYSIWYG editor. For the most part, only the customers who design their own and constantly have problems use those (*cough* Frontpage *cough*). I type pretty much everything myself, but CF just nicely helps out aging memories like mine :) Pus, there are always times when its easier to just telnet into the machine and use pico or edit to modify files. I think using text editors or non-WYSIWYG editors is not only not outdated but preferred. I can't count the number of times I've been asked "Can you hand code?" by places I've applied for a job. Although I almost always use CF Studio now, I still consider it handcoding. Plus I can always use notepad if need be. -Will - Original Message - From: "Craig M. Rosenblum" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code, because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and gui generation But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated) or non-conformist... Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio and the like? -Original Message- From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History? What a load of hooey! Ignoring the fact that this message was a thinly-disguised advertisement for a competing product... Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware handholding to create high-quality sites. It's my opinion, but if you need this type of layout program to create websites, then you're not a programmer. You may be a designer, but you're not a programmer and should not be allowed to write code. Programmers actually take pride in *understanding what they are doing* instead of just connecting the pretty dots. I certainly don't do all of my coding in notepad, but the editors I do use (Homesite, CF Studio and Visual Studio) are primarily code-editors (First thing I do on install is disable the layout tab). Nonetheless, if Homesite and CF Studio were to disappear tomorrow, you'll find me happily editing in Notepad or vi. Bah, Amateurs! Michael J. Sheldon Internet Applications Developer Phone: 480.699.1084 http://www.desertraven.com/ PGP Key Available on Request -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
At 04:32 PM 04/12/2000 Lon Lentz wrote: However, I use cfstudio for its ability to help me better utilize my time. I disable design view. But the shortcuts are great. The access and control it gives to your databases is handy. The query designer (with an ability to build and test a query before you code it) is far too useful not to use. What amazes me is the number of people who consider themselves senior cold fusion programmers, and have never used the query builder, or even know about it. Apparently the little build button in the query tag edit has completely escaped their attention. I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using anything but CF Studio. Kinda like trying to build a house without a hammer or nails. Judith Campbell Chief Technical Officer Digital Positions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 404-351-9366 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
I was coding CF for over a year before I discovered homesite, (this was a year or so prior to allaire buying homesite.) In that time, I was using everything from notepad to hotdog to code my CF. At 06:00 PM 4/12/00 -0400, you wrote: I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using anything but CF Studio. Kinda like trying to build a house without a hammer or nails. Judith Campbell Chief Technical Officer Digital Positions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 404-351-9366 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. == The difficult we do now. The impossible may take a few days. == Jeff Tapper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Allaire Platform Technologist http://www.gtriad.com G. Triad Operating Unit Computer Horizons/ebSolutions Division == -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
What amazes me is the number of people who consider themselves senior cold fusion programmers, and have never used the query builder, or even know about it. Apparently the little build button in the query tag edit has completely escaped their attention. I would "NOT" call myself and "advanced" CF developer, however; the studio query tool is good for about helping you remember the names of the tables and columns of the db and thats about it - especially in sql server - otherwise SQL7 EM / ER Studio or Visual Interdev (IMO) provide far superior DB design and query tools. I like the ability in Visual Interdev for example, to edit the table data when testing stuff. Typically anything that studio's db toolset can do, can be coded by hand. Noticebly absent is gui for stored proc's. Besides the missing functionality... its slow (on my system.) Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the window on the left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window pane... then we'd have a productive db tool. (Hint Hint Hint) I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using anything but CF Studio. Kinda like trying to build a house without a hammer or nails. As customizable a studio is for CF... its da bomb... Steve -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
At 03:30 PM 04/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: One problem with the query builder is that not all of us *can* use it. Maybe so, but at least you know it exists. Judith C. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the window on the left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window pane... then we'd have a productive db tool. (Hint Hint Hint) Maybe I'm missing what you are wishing for here but I drag and drop table and column names all the time. It would be nice to be able to drag and drop all column names in a table at once however. Ken -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
What amazes me is the number of people who consider themselves senior cold fusion programmers, and have never used the query builder, or even know about it. Apparently the little build button in the query tag edit has completely escaped their attention. They're the ones most likely never to have used it! I wrote CF code for years before Studio existed, using "Visual Notepad". Knowing a language isn't the same as knowing the features of an IDE. In any case, I don't use the query builder even now that I know about it - if you're using stored procedures, or really anything beyond a basic SELECT query, it's not all that helpful. I suppose I could figure out how to do subqueries in the query builder, or how to use aggregate functions, but it's easier for me just to type it out. I cannot imagine trying to code Cold Fusion apps using anything but CF Studio. Kinda like trying to build a house without a hammer or nails. There are, of course, quite a few useful features in Studio, but to me, the beauty of CF programming is that it's so simple, you don't really need an IDE. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors - data bound controls
Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the window on the left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window pane... then we'd have a productive db tool. (Hint Hint Hint) You can do that now. Yeah, but it's not very RAD. For example: Suppose you need to have 15 CFPARAM's at the top of a template for the form variables coming from the last template. The Studio IDE is pretty hopeless in this respect - you can't pull the database fields while you are in Studio's CFPARAM tag generator, and you have to cut and paste (or retype) for each of your 15 form variables/ database fields you want included. By contrast, you should be able to pop a CFPARAM data bound control on your template, simply drag the 15 data fields from the database fields shown in the database tab onto the CFPARAM data bound object and generate the 15 named CFPARAM tags automatically, so all you have to do is go through and replace 'value1', 'value2' etc with the correct default values. For other tags such as text edits etc the idea would be even more productive and powerful. Basically it is like data bound controls in VB or Delphi. I emailed Allaire a few times telling them I had a lot of really good productivity ideas for Cold Fusion and a business plan for a company to do it commercially to produce a next-generation CF studio editor, but they don't seem particularly interested. They never replied to my emails 3 months ago. Cheers, Lauchlan Mackinnon. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
Thank you :-) The problem with me having such a big mouth is... that one's feet then fit in it too easily. Duooohhh... but my wish (more specifically) was to use the table/tree view on the left to drop query output variables/column names into the cfml in the right pane - especially since my queries are qry_ cfm's and cfincluded and not in the same template anymore. Saved queries under studio dont expand to show the table/colums that make up the query. Or again, am I using this tool all wrong. Steve obtaining daily enlightenment from the masters :-) - Original Message - From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 05:07 PM Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the window on the left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window pane... then we'd have a productive db tool. (Hint Hint Hint) Maybe I'm missing what you are wishing for here but I drag and drop table and column names all the time. It would be nice to be able to drag and drop all column names in a table at once however. Ken Now if we could drag and drop column and table names from the window on the left (thats where I have it) into the cfml/html code on the right window pane... then we'd have a productive db tool. (Hint Hint Hint) You can do that now. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
