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RE: CFUN-GMAIL
Sorry! I just sent one off before you posted this... -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFUN-GMAIL Thank you Rey. I'd like to ask that ALL questions, comments, requests and offers for or about GMail be moved to CF-Community where it has and is being discussed. Thank you. >They moved to CF-Community. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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If someone wants a gmail account, I have 1 invitation left. Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and say "gimme!". -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 12:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN-GMAIL GMail has heavily cut down on their 'free' accounts and I'm giving them out when I get them. I'm going to talk to someone about getting a larger block. _ From: Justin Hansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFUN-GMAIL What ever happened to the GMAIL accounts for all the folks that attended CFUN? Justin Hansen _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Thank you Rey. I'd like to ask that ALL questions, comments, requests and offers for or about GMail be moved to CF-Community where it has and is being discussed. Thank you. >They moved to CF-Community. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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GMail has heavily cut down on their 'free' accounts and I'm giving them out when I get them. I'm going to talk to someone about getting a larger block. _ From: Justin Hansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFUN-GMAIL What ever happened to the GMAIL accounts for all the folks that attended CFUN? Justin Hansen _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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They moved to CF-Community. Rey,,, - Original Message - From: "Justin Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: CFUN-GMAIL > What ever happened to the GMAIL accounts for all the folks that attended > CFUN? > > > > Justin Hansen > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
> The technology at the time did not permit it, but the Army > really wanted 2 additional capabilities; > > 1) to capture any given student's screen for purposes of > monitoring and > > 2) to redisplay the instructor's or a student's screen on all > the other screens > > We could have sold another 1/2 mil of hardware/services, > if we could have provided this capability > > Now, here's an app that could be easily done with today's > technology (and it may be available from special-purpose > vendors/programs). > > Today, we could take this a step further as we could > broadcast to all, the instructor and one or more students > collaborating on a solution -- or monitor several with > Pic-in-Pic. > > Pretty specialized, yeah! > > So lets take it down a notch -- we have 20 students with > browsers on everybody's screen -- what that browser displays > can under control; > > 1) of the isolated student > 2) of the instructor (when necessary) > 3) of another student demoing his solution > > There are apps that justift Push technology. This sounds like it would be a good Breeze opportunity. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
LiveWire was the name that Netscape gave for the overall package of server based technologies. To quote Mark Richter in his book, "Official Netscape LiveWire Book" (Ventana, 1997, p4), "LiveWire is Netscape's groundbreaking solution or interactive network applications." or, to use the author's favorite term, the foundation, along with Navigator, of a paradigm shift. The ground did break enough to swallow up my $49.95 (in 1997 dollars). I new I was keeping this otherwise completely useless tome for a reason! At 11:27 AM 7/2/2004, you wrote: >On Jul 2, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > > I know that but: > > > > > > 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported > > > push technology -- called "LiveScript"? > > > > LiveScript was simply the initial name for _javascript_, if I recall > > correctly. As a marketing ploy, Netscape changed the name shortly > > after Sun > > announced Java. > > > >Yes, but there was also some server-side Push technology called >Livewire (or somesuch) I remember reading about it, but never found >anyone using/providing it. > > > > 2) Can't you do Push with CGI? > > > > Yes, if the browser makes a request and receives a response with a > > MIME type > > of "multipart/x-mixed-replace". This basically allows the server to > > continue > > its response indefinitely. I don't even know if modern browsers > > support > > this, though. > > > >It appears that Mozilla does: > > http://xulplanet.com/tutorials/mozsdk/serverpush.php > >And Apple has a Safari Browser SDK, so you could conceivable write your >own, special purpose, if necessary. > >Or it could be a browser plugin (Flash?, Java?) > > > > 3) Doesn't a web server, in fact, listen for unsolicited requests? > > > > Yes, that's pretty much what a web server is all about. > > > > > 4) Given 3, couldn't a client also be running a server, and > > > listening for unsolicited requests. > > > > Yes, but the browser isn't going to do that for you. You'd basically > > have to > > install a server on each user's machine. I suspect most network > > administrators would have some issues with that. > >They might if it benefitted the network > >A few years ago, my company sold/installed 100 computers distributed >over 11 LANs to the Army at Ft; Leavenworth. > >The bulk of these LANs were in Advanced Officer training Classrooms to >perform battlefield simulations using Large screen 3-D HI-res (at the >time) color graphics. > >The technology at the time did not permit it, but the Army really >wanted 2 additional capabilities; > >1) to capture any given student's screen for purposes of monitoring and > >2) to redisplay the instructor's or a student's screen on all the other >screens > >We could have sold another 1/2 mil of hardware/services, if we could >have provided this capability > >Now, here's an app that could be easily done with today's technology >(and it may be available from special-purpose vendors/programs). > >Today, we could take this a step further as we could broadcast to all, >the instructor and one or more students collaborating on a solution -- >or monitor several with Pic-in-Pic. > >Pretty specialized, yeah! > >So lets take it down a notch -- we have 20 students with browsers on >everybody's screen -- what that browser displays can under control; > >1) of the isolated student >2) of the instructor (when necessary) >3) of another student demoing his solution > >There are apps that justift Push technology. > >Dick > >"The best way to predict the future is to invent it." >- Alan Kay - > >-- >[Todays Threads] >[This Message] >[Subscription] >[Fast > Unsubscribe] [User Settings] >[Donations >and Support] > >-- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
Flash itself doesn't but you're talking about an installed desktop app. You can install a Java app along with Flash that can provide all the functionality Flash doesn't have and can communicate with the SWF via XMLSocket. This can also be done on Windows via an ActiveX container or project extension but right now there is nothing cross-platform. And of course, as said earlier, Director can be used to create cross-platform apps and has a lot more capabilities than Flash, including database access and file system access (via extras). Sam > -Original Message- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:42 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: blackstone talk at CFUN > > On Jul 2, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Samuel R. Neff wrote: > > > Flash with XMLSockets or FlashComm will give you an always-on > > connection. > > Any use of a webserver on the client machine to provide local > > "back-end" > > functionality to a desktop app is really overkill. > > > > That definitely would be a better way to go -- as long as the Flash > program also has (with proper user authorization) to access > the system > and file structure (of the logged on user) > > Yes, I mean cfexecute-level stuff. > > No, this is not (necessarily) for the web but for a closed network-- > where the enterprise owns all the clients and all the servers. > > Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
On Jul 2, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Samuel R. Neff wrote: > Flash with XMLSockets or FlashComm will give you an always-on > connection. > Any use of a webserver on the client machine to provide local > "back-end" > functionality to a desktop app is really overkill. > Ya' know, the more I think about it --- Logically you are correct! But in practice, I think the browser may be better -- at least from a performance standpoint. On my Mac 1 GHz G4 1 Gig RAM I normally run Apache Jetty web server JRun CFMX for J2EE BDJ2ee MySQL SyBase_ASE Safari FireFox Mozilla Email Client Terminal CLI BBEdit IDE various desktop programs Activity Monitor Now, the secret to all this running at once, is that nothing uses much system resources unless it is actively being used -- the components just sit there taking up virtual memory and and a few hunddreths of a cpu cycle. For example, 1 Have 1 FireFox window open to Apple's main page www,apple.com -- 0.5 - 2.4 CPU & 28.34 MB real memory now if i point that browser to macromedia www.macromedia.com - 16.0 - 24.7 cpu 35.38 MB real memory so, open up another window to the flex code explorer (pops up a 3rd window) now total firefox is 31.9 -38.5 cpu and 71.83 cpu None of the 3 windows is active or visible, but Flash is gobbling up 1/3 of my cpu cycles just lookin'for something to do. I suggest to you, that Flash, in its current implementation, is overkill! I can do a lot more, and much better by running another server or daemon. They don't use many cpu cycles until they *find* something to do. HTH Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
Sounds like everyone is confused enough to begin with, and he was trying to be clear. John -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: blackstone talk at CFUN On Jul 2, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? > > No, Doug's choice of the word "automatically" might be misleading > you... > > Ben put a file in a directory, a listener (in Java) spotted the > change and notified Blackstone to invoke a method on a CFC. That CFC > then read the file contents and inserted them into the database. Ben > then hit refresh on the browser and it displayed the new content. > > Hey, Sean -- longtime, no post here! Yeah, sounded too good to be true. Ben oughta' automate that (to be even more deceiving) by adding: to the browser page. Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
On Jul 2, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Samuel R. Neff wrote: > Flash with XMLSockets or FlashComm will give you an always-on > connection. > Any use of a webserver on the client machine to provide local > "back-end" > functionality to a desktop app is really overkill. > That definitely would be a better way to go -- as long as the Flash program also has (with proper user authorization) to access the system and file structure (of the logged on user) Yes, I mean cfexecute-level stuff. No, this is not (necessarily) for the web but for a closed network-- where the enterprise owns all the clients and all the servers. Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
On Jul 2, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? > > No, Doug's choice of the word "automatically" might be misleading > you... > > Ben put a file in a directory, a listener (in Java) spotted the change > and notified Blackstone to invoke a method on a CFC. That CFC then > read the file contents and inserted them into the database. Ben then > hit refresh on the browser and it displayed the new content. > > Hey, Sean -- longtime, no post here! Yeah, sounded too good to be true. Ben oughta' automate that (to be even more deceiving) by adding: to the browser page. Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
On Jul 2, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > > I know that but: > > > > 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported > > push technology -- called "LiveScript"? > > LiveScript was simply the initial name for _javascript_, if I recall > correctly. As a marketing ploy, Netscape changed the name shortly > after Sun > announced Java. > Yes, but there was also some server-side Push technology called Livewire (or somesuch) I remember reading about it, but never found anyone using/providing it. > > 2) Can't you do Push with CGI? > > Yes, if the browser makes a request and receives a response with a > MIME type > of "multipart/x-mixed-replace". This basically allows the server to > continue > its response indefinitely. I don't even know if modern browsers > support > this, though. > It appears that Mozilla does: http://xulplanet.com/tutorials/mozsdk/serverpush.php And Apple has a Safari Browser SDK, so you could conceivable write your own, special purpose, if necessary. Or it could be a browser plugin (Flash?, Java?) > > 3) Doesn't a web server, in fact, listen for unsolicited requests? > > Yes, that's pretty much what a web server is all about. > > > 4) Given 3, couldn't a client also be running a server, and > > listening for unsolicited requests. > > Yes, but the browser isn't going to do that for you. You'd basically > have to > install a server on each user's machine. I suspect most network > administrators would have some issues with that. They might if it benefitted the network A few years ago, my company sold/installed 100 computers distributed over 11 LANs to the Army at Ft; Leavenworth. The bulk of these LANs were in Advanced Officer training Classrooms to perform battlefield simulations using Large screen 3-D HI-res (at the time) color graphics. The technology at the time did not permit it, but the Army really wanted 2 additional capabilities; 1) to capture any given student's screen for purposes of monitoring and 2) to redisplay the instructor's or a student's screen on all the other screens We could have sold another 1/2 mil of hardware/services, if we could have provided this capability Now, here's an app that could be easily done with today's technology (and it may be available from special-purpose vendors/programs). Today, we could take this a step further as we could broadcast to all, the instructor and one or more students collaborating on a solution -- or monitor several with Pic-in-Pic. Pretty specialized, yeah! So lets take it down a notch -- we have 20 students with browsers on everybody's screen -- what that browser displays can under control; 1) of the isolated student 2) of the instructor (when necessary) 3) of another student demoing his solution There are apps that justift Push technology. Dick "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." - Alan Kay - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
Flash with XMLSockets or FlashComm will give you an always-on connection. Any use of a webserver on the client machine to provide local "back-end" functionality to a desktop app is really overkill. Sam [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
That would be great if it Blackstone had WYSIWYG form controls. All of the Flash elements can be skinned if I recall correctly. Is that correct? On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:46:01 -0400, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We'd love to, but I doubt we'll get to it this time around. Basically, > Blackstone is leveraging controls created for Flash MX 2004 and Flex, so > we're somewhat constrained (for now) but the controls available for those > products. But maybe in the future ... > > --- Ben > > _ > > From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:51 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: blackstone talk at CFUN > > > I have a question about these flash generated forms... > > The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site > management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form > items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having > something like that built into this new cfform control? > type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? > > John > _ > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
On Jul 2, 2004, at 8:51 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > Dick Applebaum wrote: > > > > 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported push > > technology -- called "LiveScript"? > > I don't know. I don't see how that is relevant either, since that > obviously is a client side solution. BlackStone runs on a server. AIR, Livescript had a server-side component that communicated with a corresponding clientside component. I know it is not being used, today, but it was in the past & that tend to prove that it can be done within the "rules" of TCP/IP and HTTP > > > 2) Can't you do Push with CGI? > > You can send something to a socket with CGI. > > > 3) Doesn't a web server, in fact, listen for unsolicited requests? > > Yes. > > > 4) Given 3, couldn't a client also be running a server, and > listening > > for unsolicited requests. > > How is what does or does not run on the client related to BlackStone? > If Blackstone on the server, thru it's own capabilities, or by invoking a GGI program, can send an unsolicited packet to a socket on the client then I have what I need. I have, say, a web server running on the client than I don't need anything special 1) I send a request to Blackstone telling him that I want to be informed whenever a certain event occurs & send notification to this URL:Socket. 2) Blackstone records this on the server, respondss "OK" to me, then goes on its way... 3) Blackstone detects an event, sees that I am registered for this event and issues an sends a packet to the specified URL:Socket. The packet could be as simple as a CFHTTP post to a web server on the client, or I could write a specialized daemon that runs on the client. In either case, I, the client, am receiving unsolicited input on the client machine -- and I can do anything I want, based on that input -- start the coffee/furnace, reboot the system, issue a sell order for a stock that has reached a target price... Or have my browser issue a request to the Blackstone server for whatever. It isn't really Push technology, because I have told the server that "I can be pushed around" It may be kludgy, but it would work -- now if I were running Blackstone on the Client, as well--- 'Course, everything could be on a small LAN, like classrooms, guard stations... In real life Dave Watts' approach may be more realistic. Finally, there must be some mechanism in TCP/IP (if not in HTTP) to maintain connections because I am able to get streaming data into a browser/applet/plugin window. Dick > Jochem > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
http://www.yamago.net/components/ -- Original Message -- From: Dave Carabetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:14:21 -0400 >On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:51:28 -0400, Burns, John D ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I have a question about these flash generated forms... >> >> The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site >> management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form >> items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having >> something like that built into this new cfform control? >> type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? >> > >Well, until the Flash Player allows for file uploading (yes, there's a >JS workaround, but it's just that -- a workaround), I don't really >think this is feasible. Sure, there are probably lots of cases where >people use WYSIWYG editors without the need for file uploading, but >I'd wager that there's a lot more people who do. > >Regards, >Dave. > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
that editor was by josh dura not MM, very nice though -- Original Message -- From: "Tyler Silcox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:32:20 -0400 >>> WYSIWYG editors > >>> We'd love to, but I doubt we'll get to it this time around. > >I know that sounds like a "NO", but can I give a giant PLEASE for this one?! >There are a ton of different WYSIWYG editors out there-some free, some not. >But they all have different implementations, and it would be incredibly >useful to have a Macromedia-developed form component that fits in with the >rest of the form elements you will be providing. Not just style, but how >you actually code it. It doesn't have to be anything crazy, just clean >design and easy to implement. And adding that component would really provide >a "complete" form set...and dare I say, must-have upgrade? > >And I thought y'all created a flash component WYSIWYG on a DRK a while back? >Couldn't something be done with that (since I know your developers are >sitting around waiting for new ideas because they've already finished every >other announced feature and are just playing splinter cell across the MM >cubicles)-> > >Tyler > > _ > >From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:46 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: blackstone talk at CFUN > > >We'd love to, but I doubt we'll get to it this time around. Basically, >Blackstone is leveraging controls created for Flash MX 2004 and Flex, so >we're somewhat constrained (for now) but the controls available for those >products. But maybe in the future ... > > >--- Ben > > _ > >From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:51 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: blackstone talk at CFUN > >I have a question about these flash generated forms... > >The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site >management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form >items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having >something like that built into this new cfform control? >type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? > >John > _ > _ > >[HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4"Todays Threads] >[HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:169094"This >Message] [HYPERLINK >"http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4"Subscription] [HYPERLINK >"http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=3902.3642.4"Fast >Unsubscribe] [HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/"User Settings] >[HYPERLINK >"https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?amount=&item_name=House+of+Fusion&bus >iness=donations%40houseoffusion.com&undefined_quantity=&cmd=_xclick"Donation >s and Support] > _ > >HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=35" \n > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
> From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? No, Doug's choice of the word "automatically" might be misleading you... Ben put a file in a directory, a listener (in Java) spotted the change and notified Blackstone to invoke a method on a CFC. That CFC then read the file contents and inserted them into the database. Ben then hit refresh on the browser and it displayed the new content. Check out my blog for more notes on what the event gateway is capable of. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
You are describing two related Netscape technologies: LiveScript became _javascript_, and Netscape built an early push system based on its server-side _javascript_/LiveScript technology. I was working - with little to show for it - with the Netscape SuiteSpot server-side technology when I heard about CF. I saw a demo of 1.5, then ran out and got a copy of the newly minted 2.0. I completed the project that I had been working on for two months in two weeks, and the rest, as they say, is history. Now, I could do it with CFMX and Dreamweaver in about two hours or less. Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company >Dick Applebaum wrote: ---snip--- >1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported push >technology -- called "LiveScript"? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
On Jul 2, 2004, at 8:36 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
> I don't think you can really do that at all. The browser needs to
> make some
> initial request. Once the browser has made a request, you may be able
> to get
> the browser to continue to accept content ("server push" using
> multipart/x-mixed-replace), but the browser still has to make the
> initial
> request.
>
No problem with issuing the initial request (or reconnect if dropped)
-- You need to do that for any preso/whiteboard/chat/streamer site,
anyway.
I wonder how long the connection will be maintained without traffic?
Probably need to search the TCP/IP and HTTP specs to determine that.
If timeout is a problem, the server could just periodically burp the
pending sites, every n seconds -- programatically "twiddling" their
respective "shift keys".
I realize that there are better ways to "broadcast" to a large number
of sites, but this could be useful for a small number of clients, say
5-10, chatting, collaborating, interacting.
Dick
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RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
No, in my example there was no auto-refresh on the client page, the 15 second timer was how often the gateway checked for files in the folder. --- Ben _ From: Doug James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: blackstone talk at CFUN OK, I understand the question now. Ben, please correct me if I am wrong. I believe there was a 15 second refresh set on the display page (pull). Yes, the gateways open a very large list "...interesting possibilities...". Doug Dick Applebaum wrote: >What I was wondering is: > >1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server >event satisfied the request (Pull) >2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request >every n seconds (Pull) >3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) > >I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will support 3. > >You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited >requests, to the browser(s). > >But this opens up some interesting possibilities: > >-- Real-time status monitoring >-- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration >-- Streamers >-- Motion detectors & alarms > > >Maybe Ben will need to answer this. > >TIA > > >On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > >>If I remember correctly the gateway polled the directory and when the >> file showed up it fired the appropriate event and the CF server >>responded. >> >> Doug >> >> Dick Applebaum wrote: >> >> >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> - demonstrated a file drop gateway >> >> - produced a text file and placed it into a directory >> >> - the gateway produced the event >> >> - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory >>and >> >> displayed its contents on the web page automagically >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? >> > >> >TIA >> > >> >Dick >> > >> >"In times like these, it helps to recall that >> >there have always been times like these." >> >- Paul Harvey - >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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> 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported push > technology -- called "LiveScript"? You're thinking of LiveConnect, but that was simply an interface for client-side communication between JS and applets. Nick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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> I know that but: > > 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported > push technology -- called "LiveScript"? LiveScript was simply the initial name for _javascript_, if I recall correctly. As a marketing ploy, Netscape changed the name shortly after Sun announced Java. > 2) Can't you do Push with CGI? Yes, if the browser makes a request and receives a response with a MIME type of "multipart/x-mixed-replace". This basically allows the server to continue its response indefinitely. I don't even know if modern browsers support this, though. > 3) Doesn't a web server, in fact, listen for unsolicited requests? Yes, that's pretty much what a web server is all about. > 4) Given 3, couldn't a client also be running a server, and > listening for unsolicited requests. Yes, but the browser isn't going to do that for you. You'd basically have to install a server on each user's machine. I suspect most network administrators would have some issues with that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Dick Applebaum wrote: > > 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported push > technology -- called "LiveScript"? I don't know. I don't see how that is relevant either, since that obviously is a client side solution. BlackStone runs on a server. > 2) Can't you do Push with CGI? You can send something to a socket with CGI. > 3) Doesn't a web server, in fact, listen for unsolicited requests? Yes. > 4) Given 3, couldn't a client also be running a server, and listening > for unsolicited requests. How is what does or does not run on the client related to BlackStone? Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Jul 2, 2004, at 8:09 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > Dick Applebaum wrote: > > > > 1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server > > event satisfied the request (Pull) > > 2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request > > every n seconds (Pull) > > 3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) > > > > I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will > support 3. > > HTTP does not support that. > I know that but: 1) didn't Netscape have a flaver of _javascript_ that supported push technology -- called "LiveScript"? 2) Can't you do Push with CGI? 3) Doesn't a web server, in fact, listen for unsolicited requests? 4) Given 3, couldn't a client also be running a server, and listening for unsolicited requests. > > You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited > > requests, to the browser(s). > > Servers send responses, not requests. > > > But this opens up some interesting possibilities: > > > > -- Real-time status monitoring > > -- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration > > -- Streamers > > -- Motion detectors & alarms > > Flash Communications Server > I was hoping for something on a smaller scale, more attainable & more programmable Dick "If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions?" - Scott Adams - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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>> Well, until the Flash Player allows for file uploading For what? Images to place within the html/text? You could easy do the uploading/managing as a separate process, but just have a directory/list/query of available images for insertion in an attribute for the call to the WYSIWYG component: blah="etc" blah="etc" blah="etc" /> Man, I'd really like to have a standardized/non-3rd party ability to create my forms in their entirety...that would really make my life easier...and isn't that what Blackstone is all about ;-) Tyler _ From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: blackstone talk at CFUN On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:51:28 -0400, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a question about these flash generated forms... > > The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site > management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form > items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having > something like that built into this new cfform control? > type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? > Well, until the Flash Player allows for file uploading (yes, there's a JS workaround, but it's just that -- a workaround), I don't really think this is feasible. Sure, there are probably lots of cases where people use WYSIWYG editors without the need for file uploading, but I'd wager that there's a lot more people who do. Regards, Dave. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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If we use the new CFForm and its tabbed abilities, can we still drop in other non-MM components? For instance in this case of people wanting a WYSIWYG and it sounding like MM is not planning that feature, will we still be able to drop a 3rd party built one into the CF built tabbed form? On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:32:20 -0400, Tyler Silcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know that sounds like a "NO", but can I give a giant PLEASE for this one?! > There are a ton of different WYSIWYG editors out there-some free, some not. > But they all have different implementations, and it would be incredibly > useful to have a Macromedia-developed form component that fits in with the > rest of the form elements you will be providing. Not just style, but how > you actually code it. It doesn't have to be anything crazy, just clean > design and easy to implement. And adding that component would really provide > a "complete" form set...and dare I say, must-have upgrade? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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>> WYSIWYG editors >> We'd love to, but I doubt we'll get to it this time around. I know that sounds like a "NO", but can I give a giant PLEASE for this one?! There are a ton of different WYSIWYG editors out there-some free, some not. But they all have different implementations, and it would be incredibly useful to have a Macromedia-developed form component that fits in with the rest of the form elements you will be providing. Not just style, but how you actually code it. It doesn't have to be anything crazy, just clean design and easy to implement. And adding that component would really provide a "complete" form set...and dare I say, must-have upgrade? And I thought y'all created a flash component WYSIWYG on a DRK a while back? Couldn't something be done with that (since I know your developers are sitting around waiting for new ideas because they've already finished every other announced feature and are just playing splinter cell across the MM cubicles)-> Tyler _ From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: blackstone talk at CFUN We'd love to, but I doubt we'll get to it this time around. Basically, Blackstone is leveraging controls created for Flash MX 2004 and Flex, so we're somewhat constrained (for now) but the controls available for those products. But maybe in the future ... --- Ben _ From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: blackstone talk at CFUN I have a question about these flash generated forms... The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having something like that built into this new cfform control? type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? John _ _ [HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=t:4"Todays Threads] [HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:169094"This Message] [HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4"Subscription] [HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=3902.3642.4"Fast Unsubscribe] [HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/"User Settings] [HYPERLINK "https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?amount=&item_name=House+of+Fusion&bus iness=donations%40houseoffusion.com&undefined_quantity=&cmd=_xclick"Donation s and Support] _ HYPERLINK "http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=35" \n --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
> What I was wondering is:
>
> 1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the
> server event satisfied the request (Pull)
> 2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server
> request every n seconds (Pull)
> 3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push)
>
> I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will
> support 3.
>
> You would likely need to authorize the server to send
> unsolicited requests, to the browser(s).
I don't think you can really do that at all. The browser needs to make some
initial request. Once the browser has made a request, you may be able to get
the browser to continue to accept content ("server push" using
multipart/x-mixed-replace), but the browser still has to make the initial
request.
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:51:28 -0400, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a question about these flash generated forms... > > The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site > management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form > items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having > something like that built into this new cfform control? > type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? > Well, until the Flash Player allows for file uploading (yes, there's a JS workaround, but it's just that -- a workaround), I don't really think this is feasible. Sure, there are probably lots of cases where people use WYSIWYG editors without the need for file uploading, but I'd wager that there's a lot more people who do. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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The display of the new data in the browser was a standard HTTP request/response. What happened was Ben copied the file to the drop folder. Then talk for about 15 seconds and explain that he's waiting for the event to kick in and make sure it processes. Then he refresh his browser and it display the new data. Never said it was any kind of push technology and didn't try to make it seem that it was.. he explained what he was doing every step of the way. Sam [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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From what I've heard about the demo...I didn't think it had anything to do with the browser. I think the text file got dropped to a folder, Java triggered an event that triggered a CFC function to parse the text file and insert into a db and then Ben manually went back and refreshed the page. Basically, just to show that the CFC was fired and did what it was supposed to. I could be wrong though.. John -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: blackstone talk at CFUN What I was wondering is: 1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server event satisfied the request (Pull) 2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request every n seconds (Pull) 3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will support 3. You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited requests, to the browser(s). But this opens up some interesting possibilities: -- Real-time status monitoring -- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration -- Streamers -- Motion detectors & alarms Maybe Ben will need to answer this. TIA On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Doug James wrote: > If I remember correctly the gateway polled the directory and when the > file showed up it fired the appropriate event and the CF server > responded. > > Doug > > Dick Applebaum wrote: > > >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > > > > > >> - demonstrated a file drop gateway >> - produced a text file > and placed it into a directory >> - the gateway produced the event > >> - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory > and >> displayed its contents on the web page automagically >> >> > >> > >Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client > browser? > > > >TIA > > > >Dick > > > >"In times like these, it helps to recall that >there have always > been times like these." > >- Paul Harvey - > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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In my example the CF code fired by the event (the presence of a file) opened the file, extracted the data, used to update a database, and then deleted the file. I manually refreshed the page to show that the next SELECT statement pulled all the data, including the one just auto-inserted. So no, your #3 was not what I used, and is not something that Blackstone will directly facilitate. But, if you have a way to do that now (perhaps using Flash on the client and Flash Comm Server, as one example) then sure, it'll work. --- Ben _ From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: blackstone talk at CFUN What I was wondering is: 1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server event satisfied the request (Pull) 2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request every n seconds (Pull) 3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will support 3. You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited requests, to the browser(s). But this opens up some interesting possibilities: -- Real-time status monitoring -- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration -- Streamers -- Motion detectors & alarms Maybe Ben will need to answer this. TIA On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Doug James wrote: > If I remember correctly the gateway polled the directory and when the > file showed up it fired the appropriate event and the CF server > responded. > > Doug > > Dick Applebaum wrote: > > >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > > > > > >> - demonstrated a file drop gateway > >> - produced a text file and placed it into a directory > >> - the gateway produced the event > >> - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory > and > >> displayed its contents on the web page automagically > >> > >> > >> > > > >Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? > > > >TIA > > > >Dick > > > >"In times like these, it helps to recall that > >there have always been times like these." > >- Paul Harvey - > > > > > > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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OK, I understand the question now. Ben, please correct me if I am wrong. I believe there was a 15 second refresh set on the display page (pull). Yes, the gateways open a very large list "...interesting possibilities...". Doug Dick Applebaum wrote: >What I was wondering is: > >1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server >event satisfied the request (Pull) >2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request >every n seconds (Pull) >3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) > >I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will support 3. > >You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited >requests, to the browser(s). > >But this opens up some interesting possibilities: > >-- Real-time status monitoring >-- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration >-- Streamers >-- Motion detectors & alarms > > >Maybe Ben will need to answer this. > >TIA > > >On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > >>If I remember correctly the gateway polled the directory and when the >> file showed up it fired the appropriate event and the CF server >>responded. >> >> Doug >> >> Dick Applebaum wrote: >> >> >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> - demonstrated a file drop gateway >> >> - produced a text file and placed it into a directory >> >> - the gateway produced the event >> >> - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory >>and >> >> displayed its contents on the web page automagically >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? >> > >> >TIA >> > >> >Dick >> > >> >"In times like these, it helps to recall that >> >there have always been times like these." >> >- Paul Harvey - >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: blackstone talk at CFUN
Dick Applebaum wrote: > > 1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server > event satisfied the request (Pull) > 2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request > every n seconds (Pull) > 3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) > > I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will support 3. HTTP does not support that. > You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited > requests, to the browser(s). Servers send responses, not requests. > But this opens up some interesting possibilities: > > -- Real-time status monitoring > -- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration > -- Streamers > -- Motion detectors & alarms Flash Communications Server Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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What I was wondering is: 1) Was there a browser request pending for CF Template & the server event satisfied the request (Pull) 2) Was there an autorefresh in the page that made a server request every n seconds (Pull) 3) Did the server send an unsolicited page to an idle browser (Push) I know how to do 1 and 2, but am hoping that Blackstone will support 3. You would likely need to authorize the server to send unsolicited requests, to the browser(s). But this opens up some interesting possibilities: -- Real-time status monitoring -- Efficient chats/whiteboards/collaboration -- Streamers -- Motion detectors & alarms Maybe Ben will need to answer this. TIA On Jul 2, 2004, at 7:37 AM, Doug James wrote: > If I remember correctly the gateway polled the directory and when the > file showed up it fired the appropriate event and the CF server > responded. > > Doug > > Dick Applebaum wrote: > > >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > > > > > >> - demonstrated a file drop gateway > >> - produced a text file and placed it into a directory > >> - the gateway produced the event > >> - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory > and > >> displayed its contents on the web page automagically > >> > >> > >> > > > >Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? > > > >TIA > > > >Dick > > > >"In times like these, it helps to recall that > >there have always been times like these." > >- Paul Harvey - > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: blackstone talk at CFUN
We'd love to, but I doubt we'll get to it this time around. Basically, Blackstone is leveraging controls created for Flash MX 2004 and Flex, so we're somewhat constrained (for now) but the controls available for those products. But maybe in the future ... --- Ben _ From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: blackstone talk at CFUN I have a question about these flash generated forms... The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having something like that built into this new cfform control? type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? John _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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If I remember correctly the gateway polled the directory and when the file showed up it fired the appropriate event and the CF server responded. Doug Dick Applebaum wrote: >On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: > > > >> - demonstrated a file drop gateway >> - produced a text file and placed it into a directory >> - the gateway produced the event >> - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory and >> displayed its contents on the web page automagically >> >> >> > >Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? > >TIA > >Dick > >"In times like these, it helps to recall that >there have always been times like these." >- Paul Harvey - > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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I have a question about these flash generated forms... The accordion or tabbed method sounds great for some of the site management controls I like to give customers, however, some of the form items I use on those tabs are WYSIWYG editors. Any plans of having something like that built into this new cfform control? type="wysiwyg"> or something like that? John [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Jul 2, 2004, at 6:19 AM, Doug James wrote: > - demonstrated a file drop gateway > - produced a text file and placed it into a directory > - the gateway produced the event > - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory and > displayed its contents on the web page automagically > Was this an unsolicited push from a server to a client browser? TIA Dick "In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these." - Paul Harvey - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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All, Below are my notes taken from Ben Forta's talk at CF-UN. None of what is listed below is guaranteed to be included in Blackstone. Due to time constraints, he could only show a little but apparently some of his talks at user groups have been going 3+ hours. Doug Timeline: - CFMX 6.1 updater this fall - not critical - wrapper for many hotfixes - new JDBC drivers - Blackstone beta will be released this fall - Blackstone will be available first quarter 2005 Goals of Blackstone - make new developers more successful in building applications - give current developers features they can use - emphasis given to end user features - improved deployment reliability Data Entry Enhancements - skinnable forms (changes the look of the form background) - built in XForms support - W3C standard - cfform will generate XForms - can be styled and rendered via XSL - tags that produce applets (for example: cftree and cfgrid) will be replaced with flash output - ability to render forms via flash - demonstated some very slick forms that included a tabbed interface and an accordian interface Printing - add cfdocument tag - natively produce pdf and flashpaper (http://www.macromedia.com/software/contribute/productinfo/flashpaper/) output Reporting - cfreport tag - massively expanded - uses new report builder to create an XML report definition that is used to produce the output report Deployment - can deploy in bytecode format - no cfm's - can produce a stand '.war' or '.ear' file that can be dropped into java application server - enterprise version will have ability to create multiple instances right from the cf-administrator Gateways - the CF server will have the ability to listen for and respond to anything that can produce a certain type of java event - developers can build a gateway to interact with the CF server - demonstrated a file drop gateway - produced a text file and placed it into a directory - the gateway produced the event - CF server responded and picked the file out of the directory and displayed its contents on the web page automagically - Macromedia supposedly has a telnet session interacting with CF [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 interviews 36/37/39 Matt Liotta, Simon Horwith, John Hamman - Web Serv, CF, Accessibility
In these CFUN-04 interviews, Michael Smith talks with Matt Liotta about "Utilizing Web Services", Simon Horwith about "Welcome to CF" and John Hamman about "Become an accessibility expert in 50 minutes" But first some news. * Conference and training news * Regular price of $299 expires today midnight EST 6/25/04 (it costs $350 after 6/25) * 569 people are registered for CFUN-04! * Speaker Jeff Tapper cant attend due to his wife giving birth early to a baby girl. Anthony Krinski will cover his session on CFMX XML tricks and traps. * Speaker Shlomy Gantz cant attend due to an emergency trip to Israel to see his mother in hospital. Robi Sen will cover his session on Managing CF Projects. * Submit CFDJ panel questions online http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/questions.cfm * CFUN quote: You've got a boatload of great presenters. The conference is focused less on marketing Macromedia and more on ways to leverage the technology. D.C. is a great city. And Teratech has done a great job of promoting this conference. Hats off to you. - Paul Fraser * Now back to the interviews With web services a hot topic these days, Michael Smith decided to talk with Matt Liotta about his CFUN-04 presentation on "Utilizing Web Services". Michael Smith: Why are web services important for programmers? Matt Liotta: Like any tool, it depends on whether the tool is useful for you. Web services are most useful for integration projects where you have two physically separated applications that need to talk together. Web services provide a standard-based way of doing that in a platform-agnostic manner. That is, J2EE, .NET, and CFML can all talk to each other through web services. MS: Can you give a practical example? ML: One example is Amazon.com's web services that they make available through their affiliate program. Using their web services, you can literary create your own book store that relies on Amazon.com for the entire backend. Most developers wouldn't want to go that far with it, but you can easily imagine the possibilities that this level of power offers. Possibly, you might want to show books available through Amazon.com that are related to existing content in your web application. While you could always do this before, using web services for the integration is a whole lot easier and results in a more elegant solution. Anyone who used "screen scraping" before can certainly attest to that. MS: Why is screen scraping a problem? ML: Besides being difficult and time consuming? The biggest problem with screen scraping is that it requires the remote web page to remain static. That is, if the HTML you are scraping changes then you have to rework your code. MS: Well that happens all the time - so I understand why it is so bad now! So what is this WSDL file I keep hearing about with web services? ML: According to W3C, Web Services Description Language (WSDL), is an XML-based format for describing network services as a set of endpoints operating on messages containing either document-oriented or procedure-oriented information. In other words, it is a way of communicating the API of your web service to consumers of it. WSDL itself is one of the more important parts of web services, but often isn't something you even need to understand as it is handled for you in most cases. For example, CFC-produced web services generate their WSDL automatically. My presentation will cover WSDL, but only from a practical, need- to-know point of view. MS: Thanks for explaining. Is that related to this SOAP thing I keep hearing about, or is that a different thing? ML: The Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) is an XML-based protocol for exchanging structured information. In other words, it is a "language" two platforms can use to talk to each other. It is related to WSDL in the sense that WSDL describes which "language" the web services makes use of and SOAP is the most common. Like WSDL, you often don't need to understand SOAP as it is handled for you. Again, my presentation will cover SOAP from a practical, need-to-know point of view. MS: I heard a rumor that Apache does the web service heavy lifting under the CF covers - can you shed any light on that? ML: Both ColdFusion and BlueDragon make use of Apache Axis as their underlying web services implementation. Apache Axis is an open source Java-based tool that has some interesting functionality CFML developers can make use of. My presentation will cover Apache Axis and how it relates to ColdFusion and BlueDragon, as well as how to make use of it directly from CFML. MS: Are there any other issues that programmers need to be aware of when using webservices? ML: The biggest issue by far is one of interoperability. Often, web services will be used to integrate two or more applications that are on top of heterogeneous platforms. While WSDL and SOAP provide a common standard
OT: Massage wanted for CFUN conference attendees
I am running the CFUN-04 conference http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ this weekend 6/26 - 6/27 in Rockville MD and over 550 web computer programmers are coming. It occurred to me that computer people often have neck and shoulder aches and might be interested in getting a massage at the event and that this would be a great opportunity for someone who does body work to get new clients and earn some money too by giving short massages at the event. Or if you are interested in web programming too we could give you a free pass to the event too in return for massaging the speakers. (CFUN costs $299) I imagine that a massage chair would be helpful but that for neck and shoulder massage that a regular chair would work too. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASAP if you are interested. You will need to be licenced to give massages in Maryland. -- -- Winner in CFDJ awards Best Consulting Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 interviews 30/31/32 FB4 in 40, App Blueprints, CF Admin, Jeff Peters, Neil Ross, Nate Nelson
In these CFUN-04 interviews, Michael Smith talks with Jeff Peters about "Fusebox 4 in 40 or Less.", Neil Ross about "Application Blueprinting" and Nate Nelson about "CF Admin". But first some news. * Conference and training news * $299 price expires midnight EST 6/25/04 (it costs $350 onsite) * 540 people are registered for CFUN-04! * Submit your CFDJ panel questions online http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/questions.cfm * CFUN quote: You've got a boatload of great presenters. The conference is focused less on marketing Macromedia and more on ways to leverage the technology. D.C. is a great city. And TeraTech has done a great job of promoting this conference. Hats off to you. - Paul Fraser * Now back to the interviews In this interview, Michael Smith and Jeff Peters have a brief chat (yes, it's less than 40 minutes long) about Jeff's upcoming CFUN presentation, "Fusebox 4 in 40 or Less." Michael Smith: Why should people learn about Fusebox, Jeff? Jeff Peters: It's all about focus, Michael. Fusebox provides focus for a project--no more "spaghetti code", no more disorganized approaches to building applications, no more ... [Rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm Michael Smith: I am talking with Neil Ross about "Application Blueprinting" a talk he is giving at CFUN-04. Why should programmers care about blueprinting their applications? Neil Ross: To be quite honest, Michael, developers generally don't think much about the real value of application blueprinting, better known as DOCUMENTATION, until they are lost without it. I've long held the belief that before a developer starts to hammer out any code they should understand the customer's needs well enough to articulate it on paper. Creating and maintaining a record of the customer's requirements and the needed application processes is not really the fun work, but should be viewed as being as important as the application code itself. MS: So what can happen when blueprinting is not done on a project? ... [ rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm * Michael Smith: I am talking with Nate Nelson about his talk at CFUN-04 called "CF Admin". Why should a programmer come to this session? Nate Nelson: This session will be very useful since the CF Admin is something that we all may eventually use. Not all of us are lucky enough to have someone who manages the CF Admin so we have to learn to do it ourselves. What a lot of programmers don't realize is that the CF Admin is more than just a place to create data sources. There are a lot of great features to take advantage of and it is also a great place for performance tuning. MS: Can you really improve server performance in the Admin? Tell me more. ... [ rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm --- --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/16/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, +1-301-424-3903 International, Fax 301-762-8185 Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
One area where I would say CFUN and MAX differentiate is that MAX tends to have mostly beginner and intermediate sessions and CFUN has a broader range. Of course if you're interested in the other stuff (non-CF sessions, Birds of a Feather, Sneak Peaks) then MAX certainly has an advantage. If you're interested in accessiblity, as many in this region are (I'm also just a few miles from the CFUN location) then CFUN has a huge plus with an entire track on accessibility issues. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs, which to go to... Sam -Original Message- From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfun I wouldn't go that far. I think that MAX is definitely well worth the price tag. It's true that you don't get as many CF-specific topics at MAX, but that is a good or a bad thing depending on who you ask. Personally, I learn a hell of a lot more at non CF-specific sessions, so I like that. I also don't believe CFUN is technically a "user group conference", though I could well be wrong about that (it doesn't really matter, does it?). Last I heard, it's a TeraTech event that is sponsored by several CFUGs/MMUGs and other companies (see the CFUN site for a complete list of sponsors). I do believe that if all you're interested in is CF - you may well get more for your money at CFUN, but there's no denying that the quality of sessions and speakers at MAX is terrific. Bottom line is that I hold them equal in terms of value for money. If you're on a tight budget or have no interest in anything but CF then CFUN may well be the way to go. If your interests vary, you are interested in hearing more MM people speak (or in socializing with them more), and/or you can afford it then I recommend MAX. Personally, I wouldn't miss either. ~Simon Simon Horwith [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
Parklawn was their old office, they haven't gotten around to taking off the sign there (neither has the landlord). They moved to Gude drive about a year ago. _ From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfun I'm going to wait until after to conference to form an opinion of which is better. This year is shaping up to be great for CFUN. However you'd be a fool if you didnt try to convince your company to send you to New Orleans on thier budget! btw. Did TeraTech move to Parklawn? I just noticed thier sign on a building there. Last I was at thier office it was off Gude. -Adam - Original Message - From: Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:59:33 +0100 Subject: Re: cfun To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wouldn't go that far. I think that MAX is definitely well worth the price tag. It's true that you don't get as many CF-specific topics at MAX, but that is a good or a bad thing depending on who you ask. Personally, I learn a hell of a lot more at non CF-specific sessions, so I like that. I also don't believe CFUN is technically a "user group conference", though I could well be wrong about that (it doesn't really matter, does it?). Last I heard, it's a TeraTech event that is sponsored by several CFUGs/MMUGs and other companies (see the CFUN site for a complete list of sponsors). I do believe that if all you're interested in is CF - you may well get more for your money at CFUN, but there's no denying that the quality of sessions and speakers at MAX is terrific. Bottom line is that I hold them equal in terms of value for money. If you're on a tight budget or have no interest in anything but CF then CFUN may well be the way to go. If your interests vary, you are interested in hearing more MM people speak (or in socializing with them more), and/or you can afford it then I recommend MAX. Personally, I wouldn't miss either. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, eTRILOGY ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Master Instructor http://www.cfstandards.org Sandy Clark wrote: > Its the largest user group conference specifically for ColdFusion in > the US. > This is the 5th year. > > > Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2 > days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX. > > > Also since most of the topics are CF/programming oriented you get a lot > more bang for your buck than MAX. (I think MAX's schedule last year, only > 15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong). > > > http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ > > _ > > From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:27 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: cfun > > Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just > curious > > Tim > > -Original Message- > From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: cfun > > I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday! > > Looking forward to it. > > Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people > registered. > It should be absolutely amazing > > Sandy > > _ > > From: Whittingham, P > > Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. > Is > their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? > > TIA, > Patrick Whittingham > United Space Alliance > > _ > _ > _ > _ > _ > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
> Snap. I had no idea there were other Rock Vegas people on the list. > I actually just moved to right off Randolph Rd and Rocking Horse. I just moved from Randolph and Glenallen (Winexburg Manor) to Avalon Bay over in North Bethesda/ Rockville. :-) Randolph traffic sucks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
I'm going to wait until after to conference to form an opinion of which is better. This year is shaping up to be great for CFUN. However you'd be a fool if you didnt try to convince your company to send you to New Orleans on thier budget! btw. Did TeraTech move to Parklawn? I just noticed thier sign on a building there. Last I was at thier office it was off Gude. -Adam - Original Message - From: Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:59:33 +0100 Subject: Re: cfun To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wouldn't go that far. I think that MAX is definitely well worth the price tag. It's true that you don't get as many CF-specific topics at MAX, but that is a good or a bad thing depending on who you ask. Personally, I learn a hell of a lot more at non CF-specific sessions, so I like that. I also don't believe CFUN is technically a "user group conference", though I could well be wrong about that (it doesn't really matter, does it?). Last I heard, it's a TeraTech event that is sponsored by several CFUGs/MMUGs and other companies (see the CFUN site for a complete list of sponsors). I do believe that if all you're interested in is CF - you may well get more for your money at CFUN, but there's no denying that the quality of sessions and speakers at MAX is terrific. Bottom line is that I hold them equal in terms of value for money. If you're on a tight budget or have no interest in anything but CF then CFUN may well be the way to go. If your interests vary, you are interested in hearing more MM people speak (or in socializing with them more), and/or you can afford it then I recommend MAX. Personally, I wouldn't miss either. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, eTRILOGY ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Master Instructor http://www.cfstandards.org Sandy Clark wrote: > Its the largest user group conference specifically for ColdFusion in > the US. > This is the 5th year. > > > Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2 > days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX. > > > Also since most of the topics are CF/programming oriented you get a lot > more bang for your buck than MAX. (I think MAX's schedule last year, only > 15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong). > > > http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ > > _ > > From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:27 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: cfun > > Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just > curious > > Tim > > -Original Message- > From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: cfun > > I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday! > > Looking forward to it. > > Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people > registered. > It should be absolutely amazing > > Sandy > > _ > > From: Whittingham, P > > Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. > Is > their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? > > TIA, > Patrick Whittingham > United Space Alliance > > _ > _ > _ > _ > _ > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
Snap. I had no idea there were other Rock Vegas people on the list. I actually just moved to right off Randolph Rd and Rocking Horse. -Adam - Original Message - From: Tangorre, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:13:27 -0400 Subject: RE: cfun To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Adam, Whereabouts do you live... I am right off of Tuckerman! Mike > I'll be there, along with my lovely fiance as always. This > will be my 3rd year going. I'm not cool enough to be > speaking, so I'll be drinking instead. It's my birthday that > Saturday so I hope I wont have to drink alone :( > > btw. also bringing 5 other coworkers along. > > Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is > enough interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger > saturday night. > > -Adam [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
Oh! Count me in!!! ME! Me! I'm always ready for a party! :D Hubby and I are coming along! CFUN is the best ... This will be my third one I think - I lose track after the Saturday night parties ... - Original Message - From: Adrocknaphobia Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is enough interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger saturday night. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
I wouldn't go that far. I think that MAX is definitely well worth the price tag. It's true that you don't get as many CF-specific topics at MAX, but that is a good or a bad thing depending on who you ask. Personally, I learn a hell of a lot more at non CF-specific sessions, so I like that. I also don't believe CFUN is technically a "user group conference", though I could well be wrong about that (it doesn't really matter, does it?). Last I heard, it's a TeraTech event that is sponsored by several CFUGs/MMUGs and other companies (see the CFUN site for a complete list of sponsors). I do believe that if all you're interested in is CF - you may well get more for your money at CFUN, but there's no denying that the quality of sessions and speakers at MAX is terrific. Bottom line is that I hold them equal in terms of value for money. If you're on a tight budget or have no interest in anything but CF then CFUN may well be the way to go. If your interests vary, you are interested in hearing more MM people speak (or in socializing with them more), and/or you can afford it then I recommend MAX. Personally, I wouldn't miss either. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, eTRILOGY ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Master Instructor http://www.cfstandards.org Sandy Clark wrote: > Its the largest user group conference specifically for ColdFusion in > the US. > This is the 5th year. > > > Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2 > days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX. > > > Also since most of the topics are CF/programming oriented you get a lot > more bang for your buck than MAX. (I think MAX's schedule last year, only > 15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong). > > > http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ > > _ > > From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:27 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: cfun > > Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just > curious > > Tim > > -Original Message- > From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: cfun > > I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday! > > Looking forward to it. > > Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people > registered. > It should be absolutely amazing > > Sandy > > _ > > From: Whittingham, P > > Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. > Is > their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? > > TIA, > Patrick Whittingham > United Space Alliance > > _ > _ > _ > _ > _ > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
that implies that the speakers won't be drinking. tsk, tsk... you should know better than that. especially if this is your 3rd one ;) ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, eTRILOGY ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Master Instructor http://www.cfstandards.org Adrocknaphobia wrote: > I'll be there, along with my lovely fiance as always. This will be my > 3rd year going. I'm not cool enough to be speaking, so I'll be > drinking instead. It's my birthday that Saturday so I hope I wont have > to drink alone :( > > btw. also bringing 5 other coworkers along. > > Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is enough > interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger saturday night. > > -Adam > > - Original Message - > From: Whittingham, P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:17:37 -0400 > Subject: cfun > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in > cfdj. Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? > > TIA, > Patrick Whittingham > United Space Alliance > > _ > _ > _ > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
I live in the Hungerford area, about 10 minutes from the hotel. Btw, there will be party for everyone on Saturday, so you might not want to schedule anything that night unless it is much later in the evening say around 9 or 10pm _ From: Tangorre, Michael Adam, Whereabouts do you live... I am right off of Tuckerman! Mike > I'll be there, along with my lovely fiance as always. This > will be my 3rd year going. I'm not cool enough to be > speaking, so I'll be drinking instead. It's my birthday that > Saturday so I hope I wont have to drink alone :( > > btw. also bringing 5 other coworkers along. > > Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is > enough interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger > saturday night. > > -Adam _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
Adam, Whereabouts do you live... I am right off of Tuckerman! Mike > I'll be there, along with my lovely fiance as always. This > will be my 3rd year going. I'm not cool enough to be > speaking, so I'll be drinking instead. It's my birthday that > Saturday so I hope I wont have to drink alone :( > > btw. also bringing 5 other coworkers along. > > Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is > enough interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger > saturday night. > > -Adam [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
I'll be there, along with my lovely fiance as always. This will be my 3rd year going. I'm not cool enough to be speaking, so I'll be drinking instead. It's my birthday that Saturday so I hope I wont have to drink alone :( btw. also bringing 5 other coworkers along. Did I mention its only a few blocks from my home? If there is enough interest I _could_ be persuaded to throw a kegger saturday night. -Adam - Original Message - From: Whittingham, P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:17:37 -0400 Subject: cfun To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? TIA, Patrick Whittingham United Space Alliance _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
Intro was originally developed for Flash Forward and I'm pretty sure it's now a commercial product, so "getting a hold of it" means probably taking resources away from other things, or hiking up the price. CFUN is a great conference, strongly suggest it for CF developers (for technical content of sessions I suggest it over MAX). Sam -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfun Whittingham, P wrote: Too bad the CFUN people couldn't get ahold of the code that MAX used for "Intro" last year, that was kinda cool to be able to look up who was attending from your region of space. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
Thanks all for the info ... I'm going to see if I can fit it in.. Tim -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cfun >Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just >curious > >Tim Tim, It's the best CF event ever! Michael and I go to it every year (House of Fusion is a sponsor) and Michael is speaking as well. Well worth the money. Judith [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
Sandy Clark wrote: > > Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2 > days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX. Well, I thought the $895 registration fee for MAX wasn't *too* bad... > Also since most of the topics are CF/programming oriented you get a lot > more bang for your buck than MAX. (I think MAX's schedule last year, only > 15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong). To be fair, I found the MAX conference to be a great value because I enjoyed learning about Flash RIA programming using CF Web Services and Flash Remoting, which I have done quite a bit of in the past 6 months. I'm sure CFUN will be great, but MAX serves it's purposes too, in different ways. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: cfun
>Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just >curious > >Tim Tim, It's the best CF event ever! Michael and I go to it every year (House of Fusion is a sponsor) and Michael is speaking as well. Well worth the money. Judith [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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I'll be there, and speaking as well. Bringing the entire clan up there. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Its the largest user group conference specifically for ColdFusion in the US. This is the 5th year. Last year it was something like 350 people. This year its 525 people, 2 days, 5 tracks, 36 speakers and a heck of a lot less expensive than MAX. Also since most of the topics are CF/programming oriented you get a lot more bang for your buck than MAX. (I think MAX's schedule last year, only 15% of its talks were CF oriented. someone correct me if I am wrong). http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ _ From: Tim Laureska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfun Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just curious Tim -Original Message- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfun I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday! Looking forward to it. Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people registered. It should be absolutely amazing Sandy _ From: Whittingham, P Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? TIA, Patrick Whittingham United Space Alliance _ _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: cfun
Where is this event and what is it... I'm in Maryland and was just curious Tim -Original Message- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:17 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: cfun I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday! Looking forward to it. Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people registered. It should be absolutely amazing Sandy _ From: Whittingham, P Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? TIA, Patrick Whittingham United Space Alliance _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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I will be there, speaking twice on Sunday! Looking forward to it. Btw, at last count (Wednesday morning), there were 525 people registered. It should be absolutely amazing Sandy _ From: Whittingham, P Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? TIA, Patrick Whittingham United Space Alliance _ _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Whittingham, P wrote: > Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. > Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? My coworker and I will be there! Couldn't get the University to pay for it (we're also going to the MAX conference) so my "company" is footing the bill... should be fun though, and it's only about a 5 hour drive from here (we're in Durham, NC) Too bad the CFUN people couldn't get ahold of the code that MAX used for "Intro" last year, that was kinda cool to be able to look up who was attending from your region of space. - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Anyone going to CFUN in MD later this month? This is a thread in cfdj. Is their a networking/fun gathering on Friday? TIA, Patrick Whittingham United Space Alliance _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 last day for $269 price TODAY 6/15/04; interviews CF Studio, Jeff Peters, Mont College
Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:166689---The $269 price for CFUN expires today midnight EST. In these CFUN-04 interviews, Michael Smith talks with Jo Belyea-Doerman on "CF Studio Tips", Jeff Peters about "Want to Succeed? Here's the One Thing You Need" and Professor Melissa Lizmi of Montgomery College about their sponsorship of CFUN-04. But first some news. * Conference and training news * Regular price of $269 expires tommorrow midnight EST 6/15/04 (it costs $299 after 6/15) * 515 people are registered for CFUN-04! * Submit CFDJ panel questions online http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/questions.cfm * CFUN quote: I want to come to CFUN-04 to increase my knowledge-base as a Web Application Developer, thus increasing my value to my employer. I really enjoy learning and some of my heros will be at the conference speaking. I know that this conference is a huge value for the buck considering the caliber of speakers you have. This is probably one of the rare times I could afford to learn from Hal Helms and Sean Corfield. - Chris Phillips * Now back to the interviews Michael Smith: Jo I see that you are speaking on "CF Studio Tips" at CFUN. Why should someone could to this session? Jo Belyea-Doerman: Often times as developer's we use tools and not realize the hidden features that will really make our lives easier. This session is going to point out many of these gems. As a developer I want to make my life easier and more productive, I'll show you ways that Studio can do that. MS: You mean CF Studio can help me code faster! How? [continued at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_CFStudioTips.cfm Michael Smith: This time we are talking with Jeff Peters about his CFUN-04 talk "Want to Succeed? Here's the One Thing You Need". So why should a developer come to your session Jeff? Jeff Peters: What, you don't want to succeed? MS: Of course I want to succeed, but I think your title sounds like one of those late night infomercials. You're not going to tell people to "work smarter, not harder", or something like that, are you? JP: No, Michael, I won't do that. We'll actually look at some real-world cases I've seen in the last few years, and talk about how to do things better. Then we'll look at what I think is the key to the whole business. [continued at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_WanttoSucceed.cfm * Michael Smith: I am interviewing Professor Melissa Lizmi of Montgomery College about their sponsorship of CFUN-04. Why is MC interested in CFUN-04? Melissa Lizmi: We want folks to consider Montgomery College (MC) for their training needs. MC offers high-quality affordable ($333 per course for in- county students) education in Web programming, Web design, gaming and simulation, and database systems...just to name a few. MS: What languages do you support? ML: We offer classes in [continued at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_MontgomeryCollege.cfm --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/16/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, +1-301-424-3903 International, Fax 301-762-8185 Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 interviews 16-19 Flash, Database, CCS, Outsourcing
In these CFUN-04 interviews, Michael Smith talks to Christian Cantrell about "Flash for CFers", Charlie Arehart about "Database", Sandra Clark on "CSS for Better Sites" and Stephen Shapiro about his keynote talk at CFUN-04, "SpeedInnovating: Breakthrough Solutions at Breakneck Speed". But first some news. * Conference and training news * New sponsor Paperthin joins CFUN * 410 people are registered for CFUN-04! We now have room for 500 people... * Fusebox training FB101 5/25/04 and FB201 6/1/04 http://www.teratech.com/training/ * Macromedia Community Week is May 17-21 - see sneak new product peaks http://www.cfconf.org/CommunityWeek/ * Gold Level sponsor HostMySite will be providing wireless access to all CFUN attendees. Check out their ColdFusion hosting plans at: http://www.hostmysite.com/ * The Ramda hotel CFUN block is full but they may still have $89 rooms if you book online with their internet special. * Fusebox training FB101 5/25/04 and FB201 6/1/04 in DC area http://www.teratech.com/training/ * CFUN quotes: One of the best CF Conferences around, what you get out of the sessions greatly outweighs the cost in time and money involved. - Victor Galbis-Reig The best value for their money! Nowhere else can anyone get access to so many experts in the field for such a low price! - Lisa da Rocha * Now back to the interviews Michael Smith cornered Christian Cantrell (virtually, that is,) about his CFUN- 04 talk, "Flash for CFers." Michael Smith: Christian, why should CF programmers be interested in Flash? Christian Cantrell: The first thing I want to say is that this is not going to be a session about why everything should be in Flash. Flash is just another tool to have in your development toolbox. When specing out a project and trying to solve technical or business problems, Flash offers you entirely new and unique solutions... [see the rest of this interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_FlashForCFers.cfm Michael Smith found time to touch base again with Charlie Arehart, and speak about his session on "Database" at the CFUN bootcamp track. Michael Smith: Charlie, why is the database so important to new CF programmers? Charlie Arehart: A new CFML developer won't go very far in their development of an application before they want or need to use a database. Fortunately, CFML was built from the beginning to make that very easy... [see the rest of this interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_Database.cfm In this CFUN-04 interview, Sandra Clark discusses her talk on "CSS for Better Sites." Michael Smith: Sandra, why should we be using CSS? Sandra Clark: There are so many reasons to use CSS, its hard to know where to start. CSS allows us to separate our content, the meat of our pages, from the presentation. Doing this allows for: faster loading pages, easier maintenance, faster redesign and so much more. Sites that separate content from presentation are by design much more usable to alternative browsers such as screen readers from the beginning... [see the rest of this interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_CSSForBetterSites.cfm In this CFUN-04 interview, Michael Smith talks with Stephen Shapiro of 24/7 Innovation about his keynote talk at CFUN-04, "SpeedInnovating(TM): Breakthrough Solutions at Breakneck Speed". Michael Smith: Why should programmers care about SpeedInnovating? Stephen Shapiro: As with many industries, website development has become a bit of a commodity. The challenge is to de-commoditize yourself and your work; differentiate yourself from the competition. If you only try what has worked in the past (for you or for others), you will only develop incrementally better solutions over time. To stand out from the crowd, you need to look at problems a fundamentally different way. And that is what SpeedInnovating is all about. MS: With all the talk about outsourcing going on that sounds like a very important thing to do now. Is this really something that we can learn in 45 minutes? [see the rest of this interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news_keynoteSpeedInnovating.cfm You can see more interviews at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm and at Fusion Authority, the House of Fusion Technical Magazine (http://www.fusionauthority.com). CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $269 after 3/31/04. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/. --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 interviews 13,14,15 - J2EE by Charlie Arehart, CMS by Bogdan Ripa, Variables by Hal Helms
In these CFUN-04 Interviews * Charlie Arehart talks about his CFUN-04 session on "Deploying CFML on J2EE: Opportunities and Challenges." * Bogdan Ripa talks about "Building a ColdFusion CMS with MX Kollection" * Hal Helms talks about "Variables and Conditions" at the CF Bootcamp * Conference and training news * More CFUN spaces are available - we increased the session rooms at CFUN so that we can fit 500 people at the event (we originally planned for 400) Currently 383 people are registered for CFUN. Don't miss out! * Two CFUN hotels are fully booked - for alternatives see http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/directions.cfm * Macromedia Community Week is May 17-21 - see sneak new product peaks http://www.cfconf.org/CommunityWeek/ * Fusebox training FB101 5/25/04 and FB201 6/1/04 ColdFusion security and performance CF201 5/11/04 http://www.teratech.com/training/ * Richpalette will be releasing the beta of their new CF IDE He3 to all CFUN attendees at CFUN-04. The editor provides support for XML, HTML, CSS, SQL, regular expressions, XPaths, Fusebox 4 and Mach-II. http://www.richpalette.com/ * Methodology BOF being planned for Saturday lunchtime, more soon * CFUN quotes: There is nothing like the interaction and dynamics of a gathering of those seeking answers and experts ready to provide it -- the sheer "hands-on" how-to expertise is like the fountain of knowledge -- if you're thirsty, you gotta be there. - Donna Casey Its fast (1 weekend time commitment), cheap (under $200 if you sign up before 3/31), and out of control (sessions cover everything from CSS to Flash remoting to integrating Java). - Amy Neymeyr * Now back to the interviews *** Charlie Arehart *** In his first CFUN interview with Charlie Arehart, Michael Smith queries Charlie about his presentation, "Deploying CFML on J2EE: Opportunities and Challenges." Michael Smith: Charlie, why should someone care about J2EE? Charlie Arehart: That's a great question, because I'm sure some looking at the title may yawn since they don't use J2EE, don't want to, or just don't see any relevance in their environment. They use ColdFusion (or CFMX or BlueDragon) as a standalone server and are happy with it. But guess what: this talk is really addressed toward them, to explain why it's worth considering running your CFML on J2EE. MS: What does J2EE mean? Is it just another word for Java? [rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm ] Bogdan Ripa ** Michael Smith: Why should programmers be interesting in building a CMS with MX Kollection? Bogdan Ripa: As the web is developing, the need for dynamic websites increases and everybody wants to edit their own content without paying expensive maintenance costs. Building a CMS from scratch is not easy. MX Kollection adds a set of powerful features to Dreamweaver, making Dynamic Web Development easy for everybody. MS: What exactly is a CMS anyway? BR: Now this is a good question. "CMS" stands for Content Management System. So a CMS is software that enables you to ... [rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm ] *** Hal Helms *** In Michael Smith's third interview with Hal Helms, they discuss Hal's talk on "Variables and Conditions" at the CF Bootcamp track at CFUN-04. Michael Smith: Why should a new CF programmer care about variables? Hal Helms: Variables allow our programs to adapt to changes, to conditions that the programmer cannot know about precisely. They do so by providing a layer of adaptable abstraction rather than a hard-coded value. MS: Hmmm...what exactly does that mean? [rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm ] You can see more interviews at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm and in Fusion Authority, the House of Fusion Technical Magazine (http://www.fusionauthority.com). CFUN- 04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $269 after 3/31/04. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/. --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromed
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 interviews 9 and 10 - How NOT to Fusebox by Rey Muradaz and Cool stuff by Ben Forta
In these CFUN-04 Interview, Rey Muradaz discusses his talk, which has the intriguing title: "How Not to Fusebox." and Ben Forta discusses his talk, which has the title: "Cool stuff that we can't discuss yet". But first some news. * Conference and training news * Ben Forta confirmed as Sunday keynote speaker * CFDJ April issue article by Charlie Arehart on "CFUN-04: Who, What, When, Why?" (if you subscribe you can read at http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=44475) * 343 people registered for CFUN-04 - way more than last year at this time! * Hotel is now full - we have a second hotel and will have details of the room block soon * Doubletree Hotel discount block is now full - we have a second hotel across the street See http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/directions.cfm for details. * We are working on a conference book store and author signing so that you can get your book signed by your favorite authors! * InterAKT http://www.interakt.ro/ is a new gold level sponsor * CF208 Hal Helms class "Mastering Complex Variables" 4/26/04 is nearly full CF204H Hands on on CFMX training is 5/5/04-5/7/04 See http://www.teratech.com/training/ for details * Now back to the interviews Michael Smith: Rey I hear that you are talking on "How NOT to Fusebox" at CFUN- 04. So what *will* you be talking about? Rey Muradaz: In a nutshell, I'll be discussing the concepts to keep in mind when implementing Fusebox in a team environment. The presentation is mostly oriented towards team/project leads and managers, but anyone working in a group environment should be able to benefit from it. If nothing else, you might learn some lessons from the stories of my colleagues about how to dodge bullets. MS: Would those be the famous silver bullets? RM: No, just regular ... [rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm ] Michael Smith: I am now talking with CF super-guru Ben Forta about his upcoming keynote talk at CFUN-04. You topic is "cool stuff that we can't discuss yet". Can you tell me why it is cool? Ben Forta: No. [snip] [rest of interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm ] BF: The tour was deliberately set up in June to coincide with CFUN, and the locations were planned so that I'd be in the D.C. area at the right time. (Yep, the tour was scheduled around CFUN, now quit grinning). I will indeed be showing Blackstone at user groups throughout North America, but I am reserving one really amazing demo (of a feature that we have never publicly shown or discussed) for the CFUN keynote. CFUN attendees will be the first to see how ColdFusion can be used to ... ooops, I almost gave it away. You can see more interviews at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm and in Fusion Authority, the House of Fusion Technical Magazine (http://www.fusionauthority.com). CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/. --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/15/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, +1-301-424-3903 International, Fax 301-762-8185 Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 interviews 8 - CFMX XML with Jeff Tapper
In this CFUN-04 interview, Michael Smith interviews Jeff Tapper about his CFMX XML talk at CFUN-04. Jeff has been coding ColdFusion since 1995, and has co-authored several books on Internet application development. Michael Smith: Why should developers be interested in XML, Jeff? Jeff Tapper: The eXtensible Markup Language (XML) is incredibly powerful because of its flexibility. While many think of XML as a revolutionary way for businesses to exchange data, that is but one of the very important roles that XML fills today. XML-based documents are often being used to share common data between different technologies, such as allowing a single configuration file to work for both a ColdFusion back end and a Flash front end of an application. MS: What are other uses for XML? JT: Others are using XML to create Microsoft Office Documents (such as Word, Excel, etc.), and... [the rest of this interview is at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm or at Fusion Authority http://www.fusionauthority.com/ CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/. --- CFMX XML tricks and traps by Jeff Tapper ColdFusion has powerful XML support: some of its power is made available by simple tags and functions, and some requires a little digging around. In this session, you'll learn how to read and write XML data, how to perform searches and apply transformations, and how to access the internal XML processing in ColdFusion for even more power. Jeff Tapper is the Chief Technologist for Tapper.net Consulting. He has worked on a myriad of projects, for clients that include Toys R Us, IBM, Allaire, Dow Jones, American Express, M&T Bank, Verizon, and Allied Office Supplies, among others. As a Macromedia Instructor, he is currently certified to teach all of Macromedia's courses on ColdFusion and Flash development. Jeff has been a member of the ColdFusion development community since 1995, and has co-authored several books on Internet application development, including: "Allaire Spectra e-Business Construction Kit," "Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Application Development," "Dynamic Publishing with ColdFusion MX," "Actionscript 2.0 Dictionary," and most recently "Object Oriented Programming with ActionScript 2.0." He is also a frequent speaker at Macromedia Development Conferences and user groups. Jeff formed Tapper.net Consulting to focus on developing Rich Internet Applications and empowering clients through mentoring. --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/15/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, +1-301-424-3903 International, Fax 301-762-8185 Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 interviews 7 - Mach-II with Sean Corfield; Hal Helms class
In this CFUN-04 interview, Michael Smith interviews Sean Corfield about his Mach-II talk at CFUN-04. If you haven't heard about it Mach-II is a bit like Fusebox - it is a programming methodology. Sean is the Macromedia Director of Architecture and has worked in IT for over twenty years. Sean is a staunch advocate of software standards and best practice and he maintains the Macromedia ColdFusion MX Coding Guidelines. The interview is below. But first some news... CFUN News Flash *** Over 330 people that are already registered for CFUN-04 (a 220% increase over last year numbers at this time!). We have limited room at the CFUN hotel, so don't miss out on your place. (Room special at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/directions.cfm). Also please tell your programming friends about CFUN because with registeration continuing at the current rate there may not be places left in June! Also there is a special Mach-II offer from Hal Helms after the interview, so don't change that dial! *** Now back to our regularly scheduled programming... In this CFUN-04 interview, Michael Smith speaks with Sean Corfield, who will be presenting on "Mach II at Macromedia" at CFUN. Michael Smith: Sean, What exactly is Mach and why is it version 2? Sean Corfield: It's actually called "Mach II" as in "Eye-Eye" and it's currently version 1.0.9. It's an object-oriented application framework based on the Model- View-Controller design pattern. The name seems to cause quite a bit of confusion so I'll try to explain it: "Mach" is meant to make people think of breaking the sound barrier - breaking out of the procedural mold and taking the step up to object-oriented programming; "II" is a reference to the event-based implicit invocation architecture on which the framework is based. MS: Aha, that makes more sense. But what is invocation and why would I want to do it implicitly and not explicitly? SC: Invocation is really just a fancy word for TM: ... [The rest of this interview is at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm and in Fusion Authority, the House of Fusion Technical Magazine (http://www.fusionauthority.com). CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in Washington DC area. It costs $269 after 3/31/04. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ Hal Helms Mach-II Special Offer *** Want more Mach-II? Hal Helms and Ben Edwards are doing a Mach-II class directly after CFUN. If you attend Hal will pay for your CFUN registration. For more details see http://www.halhelms.com/ --- Mach II at Macromedia by Sean Corfield Mach II is an Object-Oriented, MVC-based application framework that implements the Event-Based Implicit Invocation Architecture. Buzzword overload! This talk will briefly introduce the audience to Mach II and then talk in more depth about Macromedia's real-world experience with the framework. Sean Corfield, Director of Architecture, Macromedia Sean has worked in IT for over twenty years. He started out writing database systems (in assembler) and compilers (in various languages, including COBOL!) before moving into mobile telecoms and finally to the web about seven years ago. Along the way, he worked on the ISO and ANSI C++ Standards committees for eight years but then turned to Java (in '97) and gave up C++, although he still maintains one of the textbook reference websites: C++ - Beyond the ARM. Sean is a staunch advocate of software standards and best practice, having written C++ coding guidelines for several companies during the 90's and more recently maintaining the Macromedia ColdFusion MX Coding Guidelines which are also published for the ColdFusion community. He has also given several seminar talks, both in-house and publicly, on these subjects. Recently Sean has become a staunch advocate of Mach II. --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Acc
CFUN-04 interviews 6 - Flash Remoting with Tom Muck; Early Bird ends TODAY 3/31/04
In this CFUN-04 interview, Michael Smith interviews Tom Muck about his Flash Remoting talk at CFUN-04. Tom is the author of Flash Remoting: The Definitive Guide from O'Reilly and is also co-author of several other Macromedia-related books and runs the Flash-Remoting site (www.flash-remoting.com). The interview is below. But first some news... CFUN News Flash *** You are one of over 260 people that are already registered for CFUN-04 (a 180% increase over last year numbers at this time!). We have limited room at the CFUN hotel, so don't miss out on your place. (Room special at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/directions.cfm). Also please tell your programming friend that today (Tuesday midnight EST 3/31/04) is the last day for the early bird price of $199... and with registeration continuing at the current rate there may not be places left at any price! *** Now back to our regularly scheduled programming... Michael Smith: I am speaking with Tom Muck about his talk on "Flash Remoting" at CFUN-04. Why should programmers learn about remoting Tom? Tom Muck: In this era of Rich Internet Applications, there are many different ways that a programmer can create an RIA app -- Flash Remoting, web services, XML, LoadVars, etc. Flash Remoting is the best way for a ColdFusion server to communicate with a Flash movie because it is a binary format with a small packet size. This translates to great savings in bandwidth and creates a better user experience because the time lag between the call to the server and the response from the server will be shorter. MS: How much shorter? TM: ... [The rest of this interview is at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm CFUN-04 is Sat 6/26/04 - Sun 6/27/04 in Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ --- Flash Remoting by Tom Muck Remoting is an efficient and rapid method of connecting Rich Flash applications to powerful back-end systems. This session will help you get a solid grasp of what Flash Remoting is, how ColdFusion and Flash integrate, and what you should know as a ColdFusion developer. The session will also cover practical tips on what works and what does not, how you can make projects run more smoothly, and what advanced techniques exist for building a more structured communication model with Remoting. Previous experience in Flash is not required although beneficial. Tom Muck is the author of Flash Remoting: The Definitive Guide from O'Reilly and is also co-author of several other Macromedia-related books including the latest, Dreamweaver MX 2004: The Complete Reference. He is an extensibility expert focused on the integration of Macromedia products with ColdFusion, ASP, PHP, and other languages, applications, and technologies. He also authors articles and speaks at conferences on this and related subjects. As Senior Applications Developer for Integram in Northern Virginia, Tom develops back-end applications for expedited, electronic communications. Tom also runs the Basic-UltraDev site with co-author Ray West (www.basic-ultradev.com), is a founding member of Community MX (www.communitymx.com), and runs the Flash- Remoting site (www.flash-remoting.com). --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/15/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1
CFUN-04 interviews 5 - Security with Matt Liotta, Competition winner, Flex
In the fifth part of our CFUN-04 interview series, Michael Smith interviews Matt Liotta about his security talk at CFUN-04. The interview is below. But first some news. The winner of the CFUN competition is Adam Dray. Over 200 people entered and 19 had all correct answers. You can read his winning quote and see the correct answers at http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-04/winner.cfm If you didn't win a free ticket to CFUN you still have 2 days left for the CFUN-04 early bird price deadline of 3/31/04. Also Macromedia today announced the immediate availability of Flex, a new presentation server and application framework for creating dynamic Rich Internet Flash applications. For more info see: http://www.macromedia.com/go/flex Now back to the interview... With computer security in the news, Michael Smith decided to talk with Matt Liotta about his CFUN-04 presentation on "Security". Michael Smith: Why is security important for programmers? Isn't this a network administrator subject? Matt Liotta: Well if there are any administrators in the attendance I am sure they will benefit from this presentation. However, this presentation is really meant for programmers. How we write code makes a big difference in the overall security of an application. Unfortunately, many programmers miss the potential security problems in their applications simply because they don't know any better. Or worse, they go to extraordinary lengths in the name of security only to miss subtle exploits that invalidate all their work. MS: That sounds like a lot of work! ML: Great security takes a lot of work, but good security can be achieved with a little insight... [You read the rest of the interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm or on Fusion Authority] CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun- 04/. -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, +1-301-424-3903 International, Fax 301-762-8185 Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 interviews 4 - Fusebox and Outsourcing with Hal Helms
In the forth part of our CFUN-04 interview series, Michael Smith interviews Hal Helms, one of Fusebox's creators and coauthor of books on Fusebox and CFCs and trainer extraordinaire. Hal is speaking on "Fusebox and Outsourcing" at CFUN-04. PS Don't forget there are only 6 days left for the CFUN-04 early bird price deadline of 3/31/04 Michael Smith: Hal, how do Fusebox and Outsourcing relate to each other? Hal Helms: Well, for several years, outsourcing has been on the horizon for programmers, but, to a large degree, it sort of stayed out there, menacing. That's all changed, now. Most of us now know someone who's been directly affected by outsourcing. And things aren't going to get better any time soon. MS: My, you're full of good news! HH: Yeah, I know. But there are strategies for surviving ... You can read the rest of the interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm and in Fusion Authority, The House of Fusion Technical Magazine (http://www.fusionauthority.com). CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/. -- -- Vote for TeraTech in CFDJ awards http://www.teratech.com/vote.cfm Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 interviews 3 - CFC Best Practices, Tips and Ticks with Ray Camden
In the third part of our CFUN-04 interview series, Michael Smith interviews Raymond Camden, co-founder of the CFLib.org amd CFCzone.org sites, who will be presenting on CFCs at CFUN-04. Michael Smith: Ray, I am intrigued about your "CFC Best Practices, Tips and Tricks" talk at CFUN-04. Why should a programmer be interested in CFCs? Ray Camden: ColdFusion has always provided methods to help encapsulate code. However, CFCs (ColdFusion Components) are an extremely powerful new way of doing so. Being so powerful - they are a bit complex - and therefore not always as easy to use. I want my session to focus on things that the docs do not cover extremely well. I also want to show some interesting examples of CFCs in action. Basically, I assume you know the syntax but need help starting to use CFCs in real projects. MS: I always like to learn about things not covered by documentation! When you mention encapsulating code what exactly do you mean? And what are others ways than CFCs to do that? RC: ... [the rest of the interview is at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm and in Fusion Authority, the House of Fusion Technical Magazine (www.fusionauthority.com). CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/. --- This year's conference has 33 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/15/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- -- Vote for TeraTech in CFDJ awards http://www.teratech.com/vote.cfm Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
ANNOUNCE: Win a free ticket for CFUN-04
Win a ticket for TeraTech's CFUN-04 - the ColdFusion conference in Washington DC 6/26 - 6/27/04. CFUN-04 has 42 topics in five tracks with 33 nationally known speakers including many CFDJ authors such as Charlie Arehart, Hal Helms and Michael Smith. Talks include hot CFMX topics, Fusebox 4, Flash, Flex, debugging, accessibility and more. There will be a CFDJ panel to answer you questions too. To enter the competition for a free ticket (a $269 value) just take the survey at: http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-04/survey.cfm It only takes a minute to complete and we will publish the results on the CFConf site to share with the community. Additionally anyone who completes the survey will be entered to win a free place at CFUN-04. The winner will be chosen based on answering the most questions correctly together with the best answer to the question: "Why should people come to CFUN-04?" The winner will be selected on 26th of March. If you don't win you can you can still register at the early bird price of $199 before 3/31/04. Thanks! -- -- Vote for TeraTech in CFDJ awards http://www.teratech.com/vote.cfm Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 interviews 2 - Creating Accessible Web Forms with Sandra Clark
Today we are talking with Accessiblity expert and book author Sandra Clark about her upcoming CFUN-04 presentation. Michael Smith: Sandra I noticed that you are also talking on "Creating Accessible Web Forms" in the CFUN accessibility track. What is accessibility about and why should forms be accessible? Sandra Clark: Accessibility is about creating websites that are available to use by all people. While this is commonly thought of as making web sites available to those who are blind, it also includes techniques that encompass those who can't hear, or can't use a mouse. Believe it or not accessible web sites are also easier to use for those who are using the web via alternative user agents such as mobile phones or cars too! Forms are the way that our users interact with our web pages. If a user can't access your form to purchase something, chances are you lost the sale. By applying simple techniques from the ground up, we can create web forms that anyone can use regardless. MS: But aren't most existing forms on the web already accessible? SC: Actually Forms are probably the MOST INACCESSIBLE elements on the web. That's the major reason I chose this as my topic. As programmers, we interact with our users via the information they enter in our forms. It's important that we know how to make forms available to everyone. MS: Wow! I wouldn't have thought that a form could be inaccessible. What are common ways that forms are hard for the disabled to read? SC: Some of the more common ways I have found are: not explicitly associating a caption with the form element; not grouping related form elements together. Error handling on the client side is another major problem. Using tables to layout forms can also cause headaches. There's a host of problems. Of course if you want to learn about all the problems and how to get around them, then you really should attend my talk Michael. MS: I will see if I can fit it into my busy CFUN schedule! But I have one other concern - if I make my forms accessible won't they be ugly for my regular users? SC: Actually using CSS to style a form makes them much more visually appealing. We tend to create forms that follow the constraints of a form on a piece of paper. Stuff as much stuff in as possible. Using CSS to style related groups and elements makes a form much easier to visually navigate for a sighted person as well. Also using CSS, I can substitute an entirely new style sheet when a user sends my form to a printer, getting rid of the boxes and providing underlines for filling in a form instead. All without changing my form at all. How's that for power! MS: Just how many users are disabled anyway? Is it a lot? SC: According to studies approximately 15-30% of the general population has some sort of functional disability that makes it difficult to use the web. With a population in the United States of about 300 million, that is 45 to 90 million people. Out of those people, only 38% actually use the web, the rest say its just too difficult. That's a lot of people to disenfranchise. MS: I know you wrote about accessiblity in your CFDJ articles last year - should we read those before coming to this talk? SC: Its not a requirement. The only requirement for this talk is that you have a working knowledge of HTML. Of course if you want to read the series (its 4 parts), I won't complain! The series talks about why we should all make sites Accessible, what Accessibility means, why using Web Standards makes Accessibility easier and using Fusebox 4's contentvariables to make it easy. But really, all that anyone needs to come to this talk is an open mind and a willingness to learn! MS: Wow - this sounds like an important topic then. Thanks for speaking with me. SC: Thanks Michael, see you at CFUN! CFUN-04 is Sat 6/26/04 - Sun 6/27/04 in Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun- 04/ --- Creating Accessible Web Forms by Sandra Clark One of the least applied areas in accessibility is a way to easily create forms for the web that are usable by disabled customers. Sandra Clark will discuss the usage of specific HTML tags that are applicable to this problem, validation techniques and styling your forms with CSS to achieve nicely designed, laid out forms which both maximize accessibility by your disabled users and are both usable and pleasing to the eye for your sighted users. Pre-requisites: Must have knowledge of HTML Sandra Clark, an advanced Macromedia Certified ColdFusion developer, is a Senior Software Developer with the Constella Group in Bethesda, Maryland. She has contributed material to the ColdFusion 5.0 Certified Developer Study Guide published by Syngress Media/Osborne McGraw Hill and to the ColdFusion Developers Journal. She has also spoken at various CFUGS and ColdFusion User Conferences around the
CFUN-04 interviews 1 - What's New in CFML with Matt Liotta
As we come up to CFUN-04 (108 days to go!) I am interviewing all the speakers to help you pick which talks you want to go to. Here is the first interview Michael Smith: Matt I see you are giving a talk on "What's New in CFML" at CFUN- 04. Why should a programmer learn what is new, doesn't the old CFML work ok? Matt Liotta: Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with the old CFML. However, one shouldn't discount the new capabilities present in CFML. These new capabilities remove hassles for certain types of applications, make it easier to write well structured code, and support the latest technologies such as XML and web services. In a nutshell, the CFML developers' toolbox has been expanded in a very big way, so why not take advantage of that in your everyday work? MS: Are any existing CFML tags or functions changed in CFMX? ML: Most of the big changes are related to new tags and functions. There have been changes to existing tags and functions, but most of those changes are either additional attributes or parameters. Also, there are some newly deprecated tags and functions as well as specific attributes of certain tags that are no longer supported. The full details of which are of course included in my presentation. MS: Deprecated? Obsolete? What is that all about? ML: Well, deprecated and obsolete seem to be overloaded terms these days! Basically, the situation is that certain tags and functions simply no longer work (that is they are obsolete). While others still work, but aren't recommended for use in new applications since they could stop functioning in future releases (that is deprecated). Clearly, being aware of what functionality fits this description is important if one ever plans to upgrade to a newer version. MS: I have heard that the new CFC tags in CFMX are cool. But what are CFCs about? ML: CFCs or ColdFusion Components as they are formally called, are one of the new language features that make it easier to write well structured code as I alluded to earlier. They are clearly the biggest change in CFML in a long time and most likely one of the more important changes. So, if you are a CFML developer and haven't learned about CFCs, now is the time since many new applications will make use of them. Unfortunately, my presentation will only provide a basic overview of CFCs since there is so much new stuff in CFML to cover. Therefore, I recommend that anyone interested in CFCs also attend one of the presentations that covers CFCs in-depth such as Ray Camden's talk. MS: Yes Ray is Mr CFC! What about XML support? I have heard a lot about XML recently from Java jocks and wondered if CF can keep up. ML: Everything you can do with XML in Java you can do in CFML; only easier. I certainly cover in my presentation the changes made to CFML for XML support, but like CFCs, I don't really cover it in-depth. There really is so much new stuff that it is hard to pack it all into a single presentation. MS: That seems to be a recuring theme - CF is as powerful as Java but much easier to code in. But what if you need a special Java library call - can CFML do that? ML: Certainly you can call a Java library from CFML. There are issues to be aware of in regard to method names, overloading, and casting, but unfortunately, none of these specifics will be covered in my presentation. Last year at CFUN-03 I gave a presentation that covered these issues. See http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-03/Topics.cfm#Liotta MS: What about web services? ML: Much like XML, CFML now provides rich support for web services. I would have to say that there is no other platform that provides an easier way to make use of web services. Again, my presentation doesn't get into all the details of web services, but luckily I am giving an additional presentation specifically on web services that covers the gamut. MS: I have heard that CFMX is slower than CF 5 to compile. Is that a problem? ML: Considering CF 5 didn't use a compiler at all, while CFMX does there is certainly overhead in that regard. The good news is that compiler performance has been vastly improved with the release of CFMX 6.1 to the point where most people don't notice. It is also important to point out that the compiler overhead is not something you need to worry about in production since CFMX only needs to compile the code once. Additionally, for those people who prefer the interpreted approach previous taken by CF 5, New Atlanta's BlueDragon may be interesting. MS: Are they are any other cool things in CFML that you can mention? What about CF7? ML: Well... there is the new authentication and charting functionality as well as performance and functional improvements to HTTP and SMTP handling. BlueDragon also has some interesting enhancements worth noting like cfimap and cfimage. Guess you'll have to attend to the talk to learn about them all. MS: I think that after this session I will have a lot mor
How to convince your boss to send you to CFUN-04
I have received some feedback from some people having difficulty convincing their boss to send them to CFUN-04 (http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/). Here are ten reasons for going that you can tell them: 1. Two full days of training usually costs $750, CFUN-04 is only $269 - about a third of the cost! (Or just $199 before 3/31/04!) 2. To buy books on the 12 talks you can attend at CFUN-04 could cost $50 each or $600. Again CFUN-04 is cheaper and you get both a printed handbook and a CD-ROM of the talks, plus you can ask the authors questions too! 3. You will learn so much at CFUN-04 that when you come back you will be much more efficient at programming . If you are even 5% more efficient then CFUN-04 will pay for itself ten times over! 4. You can take any existing programming problems you have to the CF Doctor and CFDJ Panel at CFUN-04 for a quick answer and save yourself time when you get back to the office. 5. Half the battle in programming can be knowing that a solution exists at all. By seeing and hearing about a wide range of techniques you will be prepared for future problems and be able to solve them in less time! 6. The people you meet at CFUN-04 can help you by bouncing ideas with you and for you to compare how your organization does programming vs other organizations. 7. You can pick the brains of the 32 nationally know speakers and ColdFusion authors who are speaking at the conference. 8. You can get live in person demos of your favorite ColdFusion add on vendor's software and ask their staff questions. 9. You can hear about the latest news on yet to be released Macromedia products that might affect your business in 2004. 10. You can save $70 by registering before 3/31/04 when the regular registration price of $269 goes into effect. Check out all the track descriptions, session details and speaker bios at: http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-04/ Group rate ** Send the whole team to CFUN-04! If you have 3 or more people from the same company going and you all pre-pay together before 3/31/04 then you qualify for our group rate of $179 each. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to do this. Unemployed? *** If you have been laid off and want to get the benefits of CFUN-04 but have no boss to ask, then TeraTech is providing a limited number of partial scholarships for CFUN-04 to help you get back into your career. Email me with your circumstances to apply. --- CFUN is organized by TeraTech who received four CFDJ awards. If you need ColdFusion project help, mentoring or training then ask the experts at http://www.teratech.com/ Best Consulting - TeraTech Finalist Training - TeraTech Finalist Community site - CFConf Finalist Web Dev Tool - CFXGraphicsServer --- This year's conference has 32 nationally known speakers including Charlie Arehart, Steve Drucker, Raymond Camden, Hal Helms, Michael Smith, Michael Dinowitz, Simon Horwith and Shlomy Gantz. CFUN-04 Washington DC area 6/26 - 6/27/04: * Learn CF MX, Flash and more! * Network with your peers and top national speakers * Have fun exploring what is new from Macromedia Tracks: * Advanced Topics - for gurus, XML, CFCs, SQL * MX Integration - Flash, Java, Flex, .Net, Webservices * Empowered Programming - OO, Fusebox, PM, Testing, Debug * CF Bootcamp - for beginners in CF and Flash * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 Pricing schedule - register today to save! * Just $199 Early Bird Price from 1/1/04 - 3/31/04 * Ok $269 Regular Price 4/1/04 - 6/15/04 * Opps $299 Late Registration 6/15/03 - 6/25/03 * Onsite $350 Register today http://www.cfconf.com/CFUN-04/ -- -- Vote for TeraTech in CFDJ awards http://www.teratech.com/vote.cfm Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
ANNOUNCE: CFUN-04 - new track on Accessiblity
We have added an accessiblity track to CFUN-04. Topics include: * How disabled people use the web - Larry Hull * CSS for Better Sites - Sandra Clark * HTML Markup for Accessibility You Never Knew About - David Epler * Creating Accessible Web Forms - Sandra Clark For details see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/Topics.cfm CFUN-04 has FIVE tracks with 42 sessions for every level. * Bootcamp - Basic ColdFusion and Flash topics * Advanced - Advanced ColdFusion topics * Empowered - Fusebox and Project management topics * Accessibility - making sites that disabled people can use, section 508 * Integration - Flash, Flex and other technologies integrated with CF topics The early bird price of $199 for CFUN-04 ends 3/31/03 Don't miss out on the programming conference of 2004! http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ Here are what some CFUN-03 attendess had to say: "The CFUN series of conferences are by far the best Cold Fusion conference of the year. Each year, Michael puts together the most advanced and sophisticated set of Cold Fusion topics and speakers to be found--anywhere--for any price. No where else do you get to network with the real CF guru's and peers alike in a fun, friendly, casual atmosphere. The timing of the meeting couldn't be better, either. The early summer dates for CFUN provide an excellent opposite end of the year opportunity to see what's going on with Cold Fusion and the Macromedia world. Year after year, the meeting provides a first look opportunity with CF server and Fusebox product releases. Best courses, best learning, best timing, best networking, best price--best meeting. Period." -Jeremy R. "I would like to thank Michael Smith for the invitation. It was a great conference, with great speakers, sessions, and even a great party Saturday night. If you missed it this year, I recommend planning on attending next time." -Christian Cantrell (Macromedia Server Community Manager) -- -- Vote for TeraTech in CFDJ awards http://www.teratech.com/vote.cfm Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 early bird ends 12/31/03
The early bird price of $189 for CFUN-04 ends in two days on Wednesday 12/31/03 at midnight EST. Don't miss out on the programming conference of 2004! http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-04/ Four tracks: * Bootcamp - Basic ColdFusion and Flash topics * Advanced - Advanced ColdFusion topics * Empowered - Accessiblity (508), Fusebox and Project management topics * Integration - Flash, Flex and other technologies integrated with CF topics 42 sessions 27 national speakers 400 attendees * Location confirmed: Doubletree Hotel 1750 Rockville Pike Rockville, Maryland 20852 (This is same as the CFUN-02 location) -- -- Vote for TeraTech in CFDJ awards http://www.teratech.com/vote.cfm Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 CF , VB, SQL, Math custom programming Voice: +1-301-424-3903 x110, 800-447-9120 Fax:301-762-8185 Web: http://www.teratech.com/sig/ Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 66057682 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
No your not. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall I'm local too. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Adam Wayne Lehman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > Well, I live in rockVegas (aka Rockville, MD), so I'm always here. My > question is... should I bring the beer pig? He's been working the front > door of my home since devCon. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in > early? > > Judith > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I'm local too. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Adam Wayne Lehman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:15 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > Well, I live in rockVegas (aka Rockville, MD), so I'm always here. My > question is... should I bring the beer pig? He's been working the front > door of my home since devCon. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in > early? > > Judith > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
Well, I live in rockVegas (aka Rockville, MD), so I'm always here. My question is... should I bring the beer pig? He's been working the front door of my home since devCon. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in early? Judith ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
Judith - I'm looking forward to meeting you and Michael. Can't wait to say thanks for the great resource you give us! Regards, Chuck -Original Message- From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in early? Judith ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
Me too! I'll be there Thursday night to Sunday. Anyone else coming in early? Judith ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
where & when... is it free? -paul ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I wish I could be there... Funding for conferences was dropped because my
company's contract is up for negotiation.
Would love to get together with other developers outside the conference
tho...
M
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I'll be there fri-sun.
Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
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Subject: OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only
one in the hotel bar?)
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Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
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RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I'll be there fri-sun.
Alexander Sicular
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Columbia University
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So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the
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RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
hehe meee to Bald & Pierced Light :) Tim > -Original Message- > From: Critz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:00 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > oi cfmail!! > > I'll be there. bald pierced. find me buy my drinks > > > Crit > > > > > > Wednesday, June 18, 2003, 2:38:40 PM, you wrote: > > c> Not that any of you know who I am, but I'll be there. > > c> Regards, > > c> Chuck > > c> -Original Message- > c> From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > c> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:31 PM > c> To: CF-Talk > c> Subject: OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > > c> So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the > c> only one in the hotel bar?) > > c> Adam Wayne Lehman > c> Web Systems Developer > c> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > c> Distance Education Division > > > > c> > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I'll be the guy stitting at my desk cursing all of you for getting to go! :-D -Original Message- From: Justin Hansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall I will be in the bar. I'll be the guy in the "It must be user error" t-shirt. Justin Hansen ~~ Uhlig Communications Systems Engineer ~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 913-754-4273 Office 913-568-7961 Mobile ~~ -Original Message- From: Ciliotta, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall I'll be there also.. -Original Message- From: Steven Erat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall >> "So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be >> the only one in the hotel bar?)" Yep. Will be there Friday thru Sunday. -Steven Erat ColdFusion Support Macromedia ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I will be in the bar. I'll be the guy in the "It must be user error" t-shirt. Justin Hansen ~~ Uhlig Communications Systems Engineer ~~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 913-754-4273 Office 913-568-7961 Mobile ~~ -Original Message- From: Ciliotta, Mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall I'll be there also.. -Original Message- From: Steven Erat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall >> "So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only one in >> the hotel bar?)" Yep. Will be there Friday thru Sunday. -Steven Erat ColdFusion Support Macromedia ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I'll be there also.. -Original Message- From: Steven Erat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall >> "So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only one in >> the hotel bar?)" Yep. Will be there Friday thru Sunday. -Steven Erat ColdFusion Support Macromedia ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
>> "So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only one in >> the hotel bar?)" Yep. Will be there Friday thru Sunday. -Steven Erat ColdFusion Support Macromedia ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
oi cfmail!! I'll be there. bald pierced. find me buy my drinks Crit Wednesday, June 18, 2003, 2:38:40 PM, you wrote: c> Not that any of you know who I am, but I'll be there. c> Regards, c> Chuck c> -Original Message- c> From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] c> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:31 PM c> To: CF-Talk c> Subject: OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall c> So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the c> only one in the hotel bar?) c> Adam Wayne Lehman c> Web Systems Developer c> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health c> Distance Education Division c> ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
Not that any of you know who I am, but I'll be there. Regards, Chuck -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will I be the only one in the hotel bar?) Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall
I'm there, presenting, and bringing the wife and the two rug rats. (Ok, so my wife and kids aren't going to any sessions, but they are traveling with me. ;) === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Message- > From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:30 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: OT: CFUN 2k3 Rollcall > > > So is anyone from the list planning to attend CFUN? (Or will > I be the only one in the hotel bar?) > > Adam Wayne Lehman ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
