Re: [freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] US government tries to bring back the Clipper Chip - on steroids

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, jdavie...@tx.rr.com wrote:

 Thanks for that, Joel.  The Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party movement has
 been the unfortunate victim of a very successful smear campaign - partly
 because it's managed to attract a handful of the wrong sorts of people, but
 mostly because it's become a very real threat to the Washington
 establishment.  We scum are Freenet's best hope - as you can see, the
 current, supposedly tech-savvy U.S. political administration hasn't lived
 up to your expectations.


I certainly don't think the tea party are scum, I just think that a lot of
libertarians, who think that the tea party is about libertarianism, are
going to get a rude awakening once they get into power, just as they did
when the Republicans took over the house and congress in the mid-90s.

Also, a lot of their positions are contradictory.  They claim they oppose
the deficit, yet they want a tax cut for people who don't need it, paid for
by increasing the deficit.  They oppose spending, yet supported the Bush tax
cuts and the Iraq war, which together dwarf the combined effect of the
recovery measures, tarp, and the economic downturn, in terms of their impact
on the deficit.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Add frost page to Freenet Default Bookmarks

[Ian Clarke]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org
 wrote:

  Freetalk will be integrated in the node soon (how soon nobody knows),


What is the deal with this, it seemed perfectly functional months ago...?

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Freenet 0.7RC1 announcements on user-generated news websites

[Ian Clarke]

I've submitted an announcement to Reddit and Digg - please vote, etc.

Reddit:
  http://reddit.com/info/6e1ao/comments/

Digg:
  http://digg.com/software/Freenet_0_7_Release_Candidate_1_now_available

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] relation Freenet and Routing Indices

[Ian Clarke]

I would recommend that you look at http://freenetproject.org/ 
papers.html - you will find various papers describing our current  
approach, along with various previous ideas.  Pay particular  
attention to the second and third links on that page.


I have only glanced at the paper you mention, and while there are  
some conceptual similarities between what they describe and Freenet,  
it is not the same algorithm.


Kind regards,

Ian.

On 15 Nov 2006, at 01:44, Steven Castelein wrote:

I am doing some research on the Freenet project and especially on  
the algorithm Freenet uses. In some papers this algorithm is  
referenced as the 'Document Routing Model'. After some more  
research I found the paper 'Routing Indices For Peer-to-Peer  
Systems by Arturo Crespo and Hector Garcia-Molina, Proceedings of  
the 22nd International Conference on Distributed Computing Systems  
in July 2002.


Citeseer link: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/crespo02routing.html
Paper in PDF: http://infolab.stanford.edu/~crespo/publications/ 
crespoa_ri.pdf


Does this paper describe the model that Freenet uses on a  
theoretical level? If not, what are the differences?


Best regards,

Steven Castelein


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[freenet-chat] Sun to GPL Java

[Ian Clarke]

http://tinyurl.com/ydelq5If true, this would definitely answer much of the criticism about Sun as it relates to free software.Ian.  		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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Re: [freenet-chat] Anyone seen an article about Freenet in Dutch newsweekly Nieuwe Revu?

[Ian Clarke]

I have the article, if someone is willing to translate I can mail it to them.Ian.On 27 Sep 2006, at 17:41, Ian Clarke wrote:On 27 Sep 2006, at 11:06, Michael A. Kuijn wrote: On Wednesday 27 September 2006 18:41, Ian Clarke wrote: Apparently there was an article about Freenet in Dutch newsweeklyNieuwe Revu about a month ago, written by a journalist whoinfiltrated a child pornography ring on Freenet.  He interviewed mefor the article several months ago.Has anyone seen this, and can anyone provide an English translation? I haven't seen it, but I am sure I'll be able to look this up. It will be anhonour to translate it for you. I would really appreciate that.Kind regards,Ian.   		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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[freenet-chat] Anyone seen an article about Freenet in Dutch newsweekly Nieuwe Revu?

[Ian Clarke]

Apparently there was an article about Freenet in Dutch newsweekly Nieuwe Revu about a month ago, written by a journalist who infiltrated a child pornography ring on Freenet.  He interviewed me for the article several months ago.Has anyone seen this, and can anyone provide an English translation?Ian.  		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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Re: [freenet-chat] Anyone seen an article about Freenet in Dutch newsweekly Nieuwe Revu?

[Ian Clarke]

On 27 Sep 2006, at 11:06, Michael A. Kuijn wrote:


On Wednesday 27 September 2006 18:41, Ian Clarke wrote:

Apparently there was an article about Freenet in Dutch newsweekly
Nieuwe Revu about a month ago, written by a journalist who
infiltrated a child pornography ring on Freenet.  He interviewed me
for the article several months ago.

Has anyone seen this, and can anyone provide an English translation?
I haven't seen it, but I am sure I'll be able to look this up. It  
will be an

honour to translate it for you.


I would really appreciate that.

Kind regards,

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] A potential patent threat to Freenet and other P2P networks

[Ian Clarke]

This patent purports to cover the rather obvious idea of using  
substantially unique identifiers to identify data items, whereby  
identical data items have the same identifiers:


  http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5978791.html

It was filed in October 1997, and is owned by Altnet, who are  
currently using it to sue Streamcast (creators of Morpheus), and, if  
they prevail or of Streamcast caves, could conceivably attack other  
P2P networks, including Freenet:


  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060815-7508.html

Now it is hard to believe that prior art wouldn't exist for such an  
obvious idea, claim one is a text book definition of a hash function  
which have been around for decades, claim 2 would seem to describe a  
hashtable, also a notion with clear prior art going back decades,  
claim 5 seems to describe the operation of a cache, and so on.


But then the claims discuss using this technique to retrieve things  
over a network.  Now, one might argue that simply applying a common  
computer science technique to a distributed situation is not novel (I  
don't believe you can get a valid patent simply by combining two  
other things you didn't invent), but it would be really useful to  
find some robust examples of requesting files by their hashes over a  
network that pre-date October 1997.


I have heard that the Xanadu project may have something in 1990, but  
haven't got any specific references.  Is anyone aware of anything  
concrete?


Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Please keep this quiet for now

[Ian Clarke]

We won't be officially announcing until later today (PST), so please  
keep this quiet until we do (ie. hold off on those Digg and Slashdot  
story submissions).


John Gilmore, employee no. 5 at Sun Microsystems, co-founder of the  
EFF, and many other things, has generously donated $15,000 to the  
Freenet Project to support the ongoing development of the software.   
This virtually assures our ability to continue to employ Matthew for  
the next 6 months at least, and makes a nice change from the current  
situation where we have barely had enough to pay him from week to week.


My hope is that our existing donors will continue to donate, as that  
might even open up the possibility of employing someone else,  
although not such that it would jeopardize Matthew's employment.


We are currently working on the wording of the announcement, and we  
would welcome everyone's input - you can find the draft in the wiki:


  http://wiki.freenetproject.org/GilmoreDonationAnnouncement

Again, please hold off on the Diggs and the Slashdot announcements, I  
am waiting for feedback from a number of people on the draft  
announcement, including John Gilmore himself.


Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Freenet merchandise

[Ian Clarke]

I have had some complaints that the merchandise in the Freenet store at http://www.cafepress.com/freenetproject aren't cool enough, t-shirts should be black etc etc.  If anyone would like to try their hand at some new stuff, please let me know.Ian.  		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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Re: [freenet-chat] Robots.txt

[Ian Clarke]

Oh, and email addresses (if we don't already).Ian.On 15 Aug 2006, at 12:43, Matthew Toseland wrote:On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 11:56:49AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: I don't see why not, its public. Okay cool lets do it. (My view is that as long as we expunge all IPaddresses, and make it clear in the channel topic that it is logged,then we're fine). Ian.On 12 Aug 2006, at 16:12, Florent Daignière (NextGen$) wrote: Hi,	Shall we let webcrawlers/searchengines index our irc logs ?NextGen$ -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.___chat mailing listchat@freenetproject.orgArchived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.generalUnsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chatOr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  

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Re: [freenet-chat] Skype cracked

[Ian Clarke]

http://www.skype.com/security/files/2005-031%20security%20evaluation.pdfOn 14 Jul 2006, at 15:20, Matthew Toseland wrote:Is there any evidence of reasonable crypto in skype? I have heard thatit is encrypted, but no other VOIP is...?On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 12:14:43AM +0200, Magnus Eriksson wrote: I thought this might be interesting:Chinese Company: Skype Protocol Crackedhttp://www.cio.com/blog_view.html?CID=22974 "The 10-person Chinese company, which has received venture capital funding, is planning to release in two weeks three software components based on the Skype protocol that would allow developers to create compatible applications ..." "By cracking the Skype protocol, the company claims it can also block Skype voice traffic ..."Original source:Skype Protocol Has Been Crackedhttp://www.voipwiki.com/blog/?p=16So.. "Software components that would allow developers to create compatible applications"Fantastic!  So we have great stego for Freenet.  And it might even be possible to bounce traffic off Skype nodes (or, Freenet nodes using that "component").But... "the company claims it can also block Skype voice traffic"We're screwed.  :-)  But I suppose it might be useful.  Another option, if nothing else.  And maybe I even can have a client that doesn't automatically report my whole social network to an easily subpoenaed server.MAgnus___chat mailing listchat@freenetproject.orgArchived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.generalUnsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chatOr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.___chat mailing listchat@freenetproject.orgArchived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.generalUnsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chatOr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder  Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		contact | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  

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[freenet-chat] Freenet Project status report - and request for your assistance

[Ian Clarke]

Hi all, time for a status update.

The pace of coding on Freenet has increased dramatically since the  
release of the 0.7 alpha. We now have an active group of core  
developers working with Matthew Toseland (our full-time dev), and a  
growing community of developers working on third-party applications  
through the Freenet Client Protocol. After the rather stagnant period  
before the decision to switch to a darknet model, Freenet is now more  
active and vibrant than it has ever been.


Current estimates put the size of the darknet between 300-400 nodes,  
not bad for a hard-to-use alpha release, and we are seeing an average  
of about 50 commits per week from developers. We have 4 Google Summer  
of Code projects working on everything from a new load-balancing  
mechanism, to a cross-platform file upload and download utility  
(called Thaw), and a flexible user-friendly installer.


We have also been thinking hard about how to minimize the inherent  
usability challenges posed by a darknet approach, and with this in  
mind, have implemented support for third party applications to add  
and remove darknet connections via FCP. This means we can do things  
like write IM plugins to make it very easy to establish connections  
to friends.


We will also be deploying opennet functionality, so that users who  
don't need the security offered by the darknet, can just start up a  
node and get going immediately, as with previous versions of Freenet,  
but this time with the benefits of NAT circumvention and a UDP-based  
transport.


On the more administrative side, Florent Daignière has been a big  
help, setting up a bug tracker (https://bugs.freenetproject.org/),  
and a variety of other tools to help streamline Freenet's development  
process.


Its not all good news though, despite the generosity of many of our  
users, donations to the project have been unable to keep-up with the  
$2300 per month (a meager salary for a software developer in the UK)  
needed by Matthew Toseland, and right now we are on the verge of not  
being able to continue to pay him - which would obviously be terrible  
for the project. In the past, users and supporters of the project  
have been extremely generous when we have asked them to help us out  
of a financial hole, and I am hoping that you can be similarly  
generous on this occasion.


With this in mind, I would ask that you visit our donations page on  
the website, it can be found at:


   http://freenetproject.org/donate.html

And please donate anything you can spare.

Many thanks,

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Re: [freenet-chat] Scientology strikes again

[Ian Clarke]

On 24 Jun 2006, at 10:29, Josh Steiner wrote:

what was this?  it just redirects to http://www.scientology.org/


Taking a website critical of you, and redirecting it to your own  
website these guys have no sense of shame at their blatant  
censorship effort, but I guess believing in intergalactic aliens does  
weird things to your sense of right and wrong.


Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Poll on anonymous P2P apps

[Ian Clarke]

We aren't doing too well so far:

http://board.planetpeer.de/index.php/topic,1730.0.html
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Re: [freenet-chat] ANN: PyFCP now ready for use

[Ian Clarke]

David, can you add a link to this in the Library Implementations  
section of this page:


  http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetFCPSpec2Point0

Ian.

On 11 May 2006, at 23:54, David McNab wrote:



Hi Python hax0r5,

I've just checked into svn a whole new version of pyfcp, which  
should be

good enough for use in freenet client development.

Features:
 - very simple intuitive API
 - all primitives support synchronous, asynchronous and callback-based
   invocation
 - includes an XML-RPC server module, which exposes FCP primitives  
over

   XML-RPC
 - includes a 'sitemgr' module, very useful for command-line
   (or cron-based) freesite insertion
 - now with full API documentation

Todo:
 - implement support for persistent jobs

If you find bugs, please check your patches into svn. If you don't  
have
svn access, or if you're not confident to fix the bugs, give me a  
yell.


Cheers
David


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Re: [freenet-chat] Q: transient nodes and freesite insertions

[Ian Clarke]

On 11 May 2006, at 01:35, David McNab wrote:

I've got a cron job which, once a day:
 1. starts a transient freenet node
 2. lets the node 'settle' for 60 seconds
 3. does a round of freesite insertions
 4. sits for another 60 seconds
 5. shuts down the node

Given that the node has at least a couple of good connections to  
peers,

is this a safe setup?

In other words, will the transience of the node impact on the  
ability of

others to reach the inserted freesites? If so, then is there an amount
of time I should leave the node running after the freesite inserts  
which

will mitigate such impacts?

Thanks in advance for your replies


This should work fine - even if your peer doesn't have time to  
acquire a desirable location (and it probably won't in 60 seconds),  
the nodes it talks to probably will, so inserts should get routed  
correctly.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] my 0.7 feedback

[Ian Clarke]

That is nice to hear David, welcome back :-)

Ian.

On 10 May 2006, at 16:26, David McNab wrote:


Hi all,

I've been away from freenet for some time, largely due to the
frustration caused by Freenet's pathological unreliability in the
0.4,0.5 era as I was trying to get Freemail to work reliably.

In the last couple of weeks, I've been dabbling with 0.7, and have  
been

in the process of implementing pyfcp (a python library for clients to
access freenet via FCP), and development has taken a couple of  
orders of
magnitude less time and effort (and pain) compared to its  
counterpart on

0.4-0.6.

I want to say that with the new architecture of 0.7, I feel my  
energies

and enthusiasm have regenerated (after feeling burned out and
disillusioned with 0.4-0.6). So congratulations, lots of bouquets, and
lots of fine wine/malt whisky/sticky buds/funny mushrooms/etc to the
architects and developers.

In particular, some of the features I'm really enjoying are:

 - transparent splitfiles handling within the node - no more of this
   dragging the client through the entrails of this complicated  
process


 - FCP's 'ClientPutComplexDir', making freesite insertion an absolute
   breeze

 - the USK keytype, and its transparent management within the node.  
This
   rocks so goddam hard - no more tedious freesite insertion  
schedules,

   no more annoying metadata construction, no more sites dropping off
   if the author misses an insertion deadline

 - Metadata.ContentType - marvelously simple and to the point. In
   99.95% of cases, no more metadata than this is needed

 - fproxy's improvements, and ability to manage lots of stuff via
   the web interface

Guys, you've won me back as a client writer, and I'm sure you'll win
back a lot more people as word of 0.7's atonements gets out.

Cheers
David (aum)


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Re: [freenet-chat] (amended) HOWTO: firefox 'freenet:' protocol handling

[Ian Clarke]

This worries me, as it has worried me every time someone has  
suggested it (it is suggested about once every 6 months on average):


On 7 May 2006, at 14:48, David McNab wrote:

A 2-minute recipe for getting Firefox to handle 'freenet:'-style URLs,
so that mainstream web pages can link to freesite pages without  
worrying

about fproxy access specifics.


So websites that use this will only work with users that have Firefox  
and have installed the plugin?  Isn't it preferable to encourage  
people to use the normal http://127.0.0.1:/ prefix?  This will  
work with any web browser without any plugins, even if it isn't quite  
as pretty as using the freenet: prefix?


While we might gain the visual elegance of freenet:-style URL  
prefixes, we lose cross-browser compatibility, and the ability for  
people to link to pages on Freenet without special browser plugins.   
It really isn't worth it.


Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Tagging on mailing lists

[Ian Clarke]

This makes a pretty persuasive argument for ditching the [freenet- 
devl] subject tags on mailing list emails:


  http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/qralston/writing/tagging-harmful/

If nobody can come up with a good argument against this, I suggest we  
follow its advice and remove the Subject tags.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Freenet code in Winny and Share

[Ian Clarke]

On 1 May 2006, at 06:40, Caco Patane wrote:


Look at this article were Freenet is named:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1169

Both Winny and Share use Freenet code to help obscure the link
between IP addresses and shared folders, offering a certain level of
anonymity.

It's about leaked data to a P2P network.

Cheers,


Someone should correct that, to the best of my knowledge, neither of  
these applications reuse Freenet code.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Visual Demo

[Ian Clarke]

I think this might be what you are referring to:

  http://freenetproject.org/papers/ccc/ccc-freenet-demo.tar.bz2

Note that it requires Java 1.5.  Usage is *not* self explanatory, but  
it is pretty simple, so make sure you read the README file.


Ian.

On 3 Apr 2006, at 04:58, Martin Ottehall wrote:

I've read about a visual demo of 0.7 and was wondering if there's a  
possibility I could get ahold of it and show to my teacher as I'm  
trying to test Freenet in a school project I'm doing about it.

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[freenet-chat] Re: Ian clarke, self-proclaimed free-speech fan, censors criticism of the freenet-project

[Ian Clarke]

Ah, I see - anyone who thinks it is inappropriate for you to link to  
your own blog from a Wikipedia article must be a Freenet fanboy.
Right.  You are pathetic, you won't even admit you are wrong when  
numerous independent people are telling you so. I suspect you are  
close to being banned from Wikipedia based on your behavior, you  
certainly deserve to be.


I removed your little rant for the simple reason that it is original  
research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.  I was not the first  
to remove it, nor, I see, am I the last.


Note that the only reason you know I made this edit was because I  
chose to reveal it.  You, in contrast, sought to hide your identity  
when making your self-serving edits.


You assert that my motivation is simply to remove criticism so you  
obviously haven't looked very closely at the history of that page.   
Unlike you, I actually went out and found some independently written  
criticism, and added it to the page.  That is the appropriate way to  
try to achieve balance, not to abuse Wikipedia as a soap-box for your  
personal rants.


Ian.

On 10 Jan 2006, at 19:55, Newsbyte wrote:

Well...someone with Ians' nick, anyway, but I thought the title of  
this post
should reflect in the same way as that of Ians' about me. Equal  
treatement,

after all (no doubt he will be lecturing again about off-topic posts,
neglecting his same, earlier behaviour). And besides, I think there is
little doubt; feel free to deny it if it's not true/you, Ian.

As one can see on the wikipedia, a small group of freenet-fanboys  
there, and

probably Ian himself,  have consistently tried to censor any form of
criticism. Now, I myself am still fond of the freenet as a concept  
too, but
that doesn't mean I have to close my eyes for the things that go  
wrong, and
neither should anyone else, if they are really serious with helping  
the
project. But aparently, Ian and his cronies do not only not agree  
with the
criticism, they even don't want any mentionning that there *is*  
citicism on

the freenetproject.

Constantly new excuses are sought to justify the ongoing  
revertions, even
AFTER the agreement was reached that we would abide by the  
compromise a
wiki-admin had made with an edit. First, it was because it was  
posted by me;

but when somebody else posts it, it's to no avail anyway. Then, in the
interest of keeping the peace on the wikipedia, I agree with the  
decision of
a wiki-admin...but aparently, *I* am the only one considered to be  
bound to
it, and when a very watered-down wikiadmin-edit with the  
acknowledgement
that at least there IS criticism of the freenet-project, then  
suddenly no-1
else feels bothered by completely ignoring the agreement. When I  
revert to
that of the wikadmin-version, it is claimed there are no sources  
mentionned,
when I give a wikipage where the sources *are* mentionned, it is  
claimed

they are not notable, etc.

As one can see, a perfect catch-22; no criticism exists, because no  
sources
can be given, and when sources are given, then they are proclaimed  
to be of
trolls and lamenters and not notable, which means no sources have  
to be

reckoned with, which means the mentionning of the fact that there is
criticism can be deleted, so no critcism exists...

Thus even the simple fact that there *is* criticism is conveniently  
and
self-servingly kept out of the wikipedia-page, as if no such thing  
exists;
but in any pragmatic sense, it is clear it is just used by Ian and  
consorts
to let it appear if no such thing exists - completely in line whith  
his
continuous habbit of over-optimistic claims and mispresenting, in  
this case,
an article by making it less NPOV (which inherently happens, if you  
censor

criticism - a fact dictators well know, as Ian should know, seen his
purported 'free-speech in china' goal).

Is this fair and honest? A rethorical question indeed, because  
someone with

a grain of honesty in his bones, would at least admit that there *is*
criticism, whether you agree with it or not. But not so Ian and  
consorts,
ofcourse. *They* think their ego and keeping their pet-project on a  
pedestal
is more important then making a more NPOV wikipedia-article by  
including

various criticisms on the Freenet Project.

I'm actually not surpised to see himco reacting like this, because I
already encountered the hypocrisy on his own blog (free speech  
proponent, my
ass)..but it still saddens me he is now using the wikipedia as his/ 
their

personal playground to work out his frustrated ego and bias.

I would ask anyone with a free and open mind to edit the wikipedia
freenet-article in a NPOV way, so that it may also contain the more  
negative
facts and some criticism, and not only acts as if no criticism  
exists. Yes,
I know, we all like freenet, at least as a concept, otherwise we  
wouldn't be
here, but I would like to remind everyone that a project is *not*  
helped by
optimistically misrepresenting things, 

[freenet-chat] Newsbyte spams Freenet Wikipedia page

[Ian Clarke]

Well, it seems that Newsbyte wasn't content just to abuse Wikipedia to
add links to his blog from the software patents article, but he also
decided to further abuse Wikipedia by adding links to his rantings
from the Freenet page:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freenetdiff=30257012oldid=29587696

Stunningly he did this 5 days *after* I exposed the fact that he had
spammed another article!  This guy clearly has no sense of shame.

Even after someone (not me) noticed that he was doing this, and
removed it, he had the gall to put it back, although this time he did
it from a different IP address (which still resolves to the same city
in Belgium - we aren't fooled Newsbyte).

Who knows how many other Wikipedia articles he has abused to raise the
profile of his incomprehensible ravings.

Ian.
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[freenet-chat] DAS-P2P Call for Papers, April 2006, Vienna

[Ian Clarke]

 
**

* The First International Workshop on
* Dependable and Sustainable Peer-to-Peer Systems (DAS-P2P 2006)
* http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/
*
* In conjunction with The First International Conference on
* Availability, Reliability and Security (ARES 2006).
* http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/ares2006/
*
* Vienna University of Technology, Austria
* April 20th-22nd, 2006
 
**


[CALL FOR PAPERS]

The First International Workshop on Dependable and Sustainable Peer- 
to-Peer
Systems (DAS-P2P 2006) is the first workshop which focuses on  
dependability

and sustainability of peer-to-peer (P2P) systems, with respect to their
designs, operations, applications and social impacts.

P2P can be a promising technology on which we can depend lives of  
ours and our

children, upon which we can build sustainable societies.

Designs of P2P systems are characterized by their usage of overlay  
networks
such that there is symmetry in the roles among participants. This  
implies
distribution of authorities, not only preventing introduction of  
single points
of failure, but also assuring a level of autonomy which allows many  
of us to
spontaneously start, maintain, or recover from failures of, such  
systems.


Although difficulties exist, such as uncertainty in the trust among
participants, one needs to be aware that such difficulties are, in  
many parts,

due to our own human nature; depending on P2P is, in fact and literally,
depending on ourselves and our friends, who seem to be the only ones  
we can

trust anyway, when it comes to our own survival.

The goal of this workshop is to share experiences, insights and new  
ideas, and
set forth research agendas and suggestive future directions by  
collaborations
among researchers with different disciplines and with similar  
interests toward

dependability and sustainability.

The following is a non-exhaustive list of relevant topics:

* Designs and operations of dependable and sustainable P2P systems
 - Self-organization and emergence
 - Attack-resistance
 - Fault tolerance
 - Sustainable operations
 - Sustainable mutual trust
 - Sustainable reciprocal relationships

* Applications and social impacts of dependable and sustainable P2P  
systems

 - Sustainable economy
 - Sustainable governance
 - Sustainable lifestyles
 - Rescue activities
 - Post-catastrophic recovery
 - Tackling environmental problems

The program of the workshop will be a combination of invited talks,  
paper

presentations and discussions.

[SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS]

The workshop invites your contributions of previously unpublished  
papers, which

will be selected based on their originality, technical merit and topical
relevance. Papers will also be selected by the likelihood that they  
will lead

to interesting and fruitful discussions at the workshop.

Your contributions should be formatted acoording to the Springer- 
Verlag LNCS
Proceedings Author Guidelines: 10-point, single-spaced, one-column  
format
(see http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html for detail). Each  
of your

contributions should not exceed 10 pages.

See the workshop web site (http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/) for the  
submission

procedure.

[PUBLICATION]

Proceedings of the workshop will be published as Lecture Notes in  
Computer

Science (LNCS) by Springer-Verlag.

[IMPORTANT DATES]

Paper submission due:   December 4th, 2005
Notification of acceptance: January 15th, 2006
Camera-ready copies due:February 1st, 2006
Author registration due:February 1st, 2006
Workshop:   April 20th-22nd, 2006 (exact date is to  
be decided)


[REGISTRATION]

Workshop registration will be handled by the ARES 2006 organization  
along

with the main conference registration.

[PROGRAM COMMITTEE]

* Stephane Bressan, National University of Singapore, Singapore
* Bernard Burg, Panasonic Research, USA
* Ian Clarke, Freenet Project, UK
* Yusuke Doi, TOSHIBA Corporation, Japan (co-chair)
* Debojyoti Dutta, University of Southern California, USA
* Achmad Nizar Hidayanto, University of Indonesia, Indonesia
* Sam Joseph, University of Hawaii, USA
* Youki Kadobayashi, Nara Instritute of Science and Technology, Japan
  (co-chair)
* Anirban Mondal, University of Tokyo, Japan
* Akiko Orita, Keio University, Japan
* Omer F Rana, Cardiff University, UK
* Kenji Saito, Keio University, Japan (co-chair)
* Claudio Sartori, University of Bologna, Italy
* Sheng Zhong, State University of New York at Buffalo, USA

See the workshop web site (http://das-p2p.wide.ad.jp/) for any updates.

-
For further information, please contact program co-chair Kenji Saito,
Graduate School of Media and Governance, Keio University, 5322 Endo,  
Fujisawa,

Kanagawa 252-8520 Japan, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[freenet-chat] Re: [Tech] Revision control systems

[Ian Clarke]

On 22 Sep 2005, at 17:27, Matthew Toseland wrote:


http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/

Anyone had any experience? There is already a port to freenet, and the
guy who wrote it might perhaps be persuaded to update it; if not, we
might, eventually. The description sounds good.


I have heard that it is a bit of a kludge, a mixture of scripts.

Seriously, the most important thing with a source control system is  
stability and reliability.  Subversion is stable and reliable, and is  
the emerging natural successor to cvs.


My vote remains with Subversion.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Revision control systems

[Ian Clarke]

At the risk of repeating myself - I think we should be conservative,  
and that means Subversion.


My experience with distributed approaches has been one of confusion.

Ian.

On 22 Sep 2005, at 18:53, Matthew Toseland wrote:


There is a cvs2arch convertor. This is a bit of a hack though. It only
works with the HEAD branch (which is okay):
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-arch-users/2003-08/msg00198.html

However, arch may be dead. It *was* very popular, and *did* have a  
very
active community, last year, but there is only one person (tom  
lord) on
the savannah dev list, and rumours of it dying a death after he  
left. It
is also probably a bit complex to use. Also can be quite slow  
fetching a
revision. However it is post-1.0, and widely used, so presumably  
fairly

stable. Also does not support Windows well.

Also there is a more general and stable convertor that can move  
between

CVS, ArX, Darcs, and Monotone:
http://darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor

Darcs is interesting, although it has a couple of issues:
http://abridgegame.org/darcs/
http://lwn.net/Articles/110516/#Comments
Darcs does not have cryptographic signatures, which is an interesting
side-issue. Also can be slow in merging. Can import from CVS, Arch or
Subversion. More on darcs and arch [2] - search for darcs.

ArX is also promising:
http://www.nongnu.org/arx/
Has all the basic features, should be reasonably simple to use, is  
more

or less fully distributed but slow over high latency networking.
Hopefully this won't be a problem for Freenet 0.7.

So, does anyone have any opinions? Anyone used any of these? My
impression is that Subversion is essentially the same architecture as
CVS; it doesn't have any of the modern features such as proper
distribution/p2p support. It is however a significant improvement on
CVS, as Ian has pointed out.

IMHO we should choose a CVS replacement, and use it. Hopefully  
bandwidth

issues from anonymous checkouts won't be too big a problem; dodo has
15GB/mo. Personally I am of the opinion that something with proper
distribution support i.e. not Subversion, would be better because it
would be easier to adapt to Freenet, and because it would help third
parties who are on the periphery and therefore don't have CVS write
access. All the above (and many more) have atomic commits. ArX and  
Darcs

claim to have good merging. According to [1], Subversion's merging is
inferior to anything modern.

[1] yet another link, rather old:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/01/29/scm_overview.html
another more recent comparison:
http://www.nongnu.org/arx/codecon/codecon.html
[2] another comparison
http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/scm.html

Anyone with experience in any of the above?

With most of the above, we can provide a read-only repository via HTTP
with no extra modules needed, so anonymous checkout isn't  
necessarily a
problem either. There are also public options such as  
sourcecontrol.net.

Sourceforge and savannah can do arch (and presumably bazaar) also.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:


http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch
http://www.gnuarch.org/arch/arch-overview.html

On Thu, Sep 22, 2005 at 05:27:36PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:


http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/

Anyone had any experience? There is already a port to freenet,  
and the

guy who wrote it might perhaps be persuaded to update it; if not, we
might, eventually. The description sounds good.


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[freenet-chat] Re: [Tech] Re: Hybrid network climbdown

[Ian Clarke]

On 21 Sep 2005, at 17:30, Alex R. Mosteo wrote:


Matthew Toseland wrote:


The main outstanding issue is how frequently we should do path  
folding.
If it is too slow, it will take too long to converge. But if it is  
too
fast, then oskar's routing algorithm won't be able to keep up. Is  
there

any way to determine an optimal time short of alchemy?



Is there some wiki/doc with further explanation of oskar's  
algorithm and

path folding details? I would like to understand it properly.


Right now just the slides of Oskar's and my presentation at Defcon/ 
Blackhat, Others have found this sufficient to explain the algorithm:



http://www.math.chalmers.se/~ossa/defcon13/


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[freenet-chat] Freenet on BBC

[Ian Clarke]

For those of you in the UK, there will be a piece on Freenet on  
Click Online, which airs at 8.30pm this evening on BBC News 24.   
The piece is about 10 minutes into the show.


If anyone misses it, don't worry, the show is repeated at various  
other times, and is also on BBC America and BBC World.


Failing that, you can watch it online here:

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/default.stm

Its actually pretty good.

Ian.
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[freenet-chat] Seeking Freenet user to talk to journalist

[Ian Clarke]

A journalist for a prominent publication has asked me whether he  
could speak to a user of Freenet that might have an interesting story  
to tell about how/why they use the software.  He is happy to keep  
their identity confidential if that is important to them.


If you think you can help, please email me and I will put you in  
touch.  I think his deadline is tomorrow, so please contact me ASAP.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Freenet mention on BBC Radio 1 tommorow?

[Ian Clarke]

No, my interview was for Click Online, and won't go out for around  
2 weeks.


Ian.

On 26 Aug 2005, at 20:18, Bob wrote:


Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hmm, sorry maybe it wasn't today after all (although it sounded  
like it was).
There was a brief 'Internet issues' piece at 6:00pm again but it  
was about VoIP

and if it was going to take off, no mention of anonymous networks.

Bob



Much as I hate to endlessly self-reply I don't want to look like  
I'm making

stuff up :)  Maybe I half-heard a reference to this?

http://dodo.freenetproject.org/pipermail/iansblog/2005-August/ 
53.html
I am flying to London for the day tomorrow to do an interview  
about online

anonymity for the BBC's Click Online show.

I scanned through the current show
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/default.stm)  
this lunchtime

but didn't see Ian, has it been broadcast yet?

Bob


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Re: [freenet-chat] Crazy idea: How trust in darknets enables secure democratic censorship

[Ian Clarke]

What a terrible idea.  Censorship by majority is still censorship.

Ian.

On 11 Jul 2005, at 16:17, Matthew Toseland wrote:


Here's a really whacky idea I came up with on the train back from
Strasbourg (please read the whole email before flaming me):

Personally I support Freenet being uncensorable and providing
untraceability for posters, because there is no way to prevent
censorship abuses by the powerful (including governments and
corporations), while still allowing censorship to prevent e.g.
child porn. I propose below a means that could provide some form of  
self

regulation, under locally democratic control, which would provide a
powerful deterrent to people posting objectionable materials. This is
only possible because of the trust relationships underlying a scalable
darknet such as Freenet 0.7/Dark. There is an argument that unpopular
content will fall out of the current Freenet; it won't if the original
insertor keeps on pushing it back in. Maybe, just maybe, we can  
have our
cake and eat it too. The result would be that freenet could be far  
more
mainstream, usable by far more people (e.g. oppressed religious  
groups in

china are likely to object to all the kiddy porn on freenet), and its
content would reflect what its users want rather than what the state
wants.

Definition: Premix ID:
- Each node has two identities. One is its pubkey and physical  
location

  to connect to it. This is only given out to its immediate peers, and
  they may not forward it, on a darknet. The second is its premix
  pubkey. This is the key which is used to encrypt premix-routed  
traffic
  which is sent through the node. This is public, along with the  
node's
  connections, in order for premix routing to work through the  
darknet -
  we have to expose the network topology in order for premix  
routing to

  work.

Client C finds some content he finds objectionable.
He sends out a Complaint to his friend nodes. This contains a  
pointer to

the objectionable content, and possibly C's premix ID (I'm not decided
on this bit).
Users can then verify the complaint - voting for it to be upheld or  
not

and for what sanctions to be applied. If it is not upheld by enough
nodes it is not propagated, so complaint spamming will be severely
limited.
Each node can decide whether the complaint is upheld. It will take  
into

account its own vote if any (weight 1), the votes of its friend nodes
(weight 1), and the votes of those nodes connected to its friend nodes
(probably weighted 1/n where n is the number of nodes connected to a
given friend node). There would be turnout requirements (say 2/3), and
supermajority requirements which depend on what sanction is called  
for.


If the complaint is upheld, then the network will attempt to trace the
insertor, and possibly any requestors, of the data:

If a node was on the insert path, AND it considers the complaint to  
have
been upheld, it will check its records and attempt to trace the  
request.
As will the next node on the chain. The original insertor will be  
found,

and its premix ID exposed. Possible sanctions are:
- Reprimand; upheld complaint is recorded on the node's record
- Premix disconnect; node may no longer use premix routing
- Full disconnect; node may not remain connected to the network.
  Requires a larger supermajority.
- Blow the node; node's IP address is broadcast (endangers the network
  itself, would require 80% or so majority, and could be turned off on
  some networks).

The idea here is that we produce a deterrant. Nodes won't insert  
content
regarded as bad by the majority of a particular network, because of  
the

risks involved, and therefore complaints should be rare. The content
itself would be blocked, but only after the vote, which could take a
reasonable time - say 2 weeks - during which any interested  
individuals
could inspect the objectionable content (many will simply follow  
others,

but this is not a problem as the content _is_ available; provided the
system works, complaints will be rare and people will not have to  
browse

through filth on a regular basis). This should keep the whole process
accountable.

If the original insertor is not found, we can get as close as  
possible.

Since there will likely be several blocks to trace (even if the
objectionable content is a single file), and since we know the network
topology, we can do some form of correlation attack - and narrow it  
down
to a particular area of the network. If it is one node, we can take  
the
above sanctions; if it is a group of nodes (or a particular link or  
set
of links), then we can break those connections and fork the network  
into

two disconnected darknets with different standards (it should be
reasonably easy to determine this given enough data to trace).

Votes would have to be public for this to work (at least, public to
nearby nodes). There is no secret ballot. On the other hand, since we
are assuming that Freenet nodes are illegal in any case in 

[freenet-chat] Re: [Tech] Crazy idea: How trust in darknets enables secure democratic censorship

[Ian Clarke]

I'm not getting sucked into this, mainly because I share Matthew  
Exon's position on this and he is doing a pretty good job of  
defending it.  Censorship by majority is just as bad as censorship by  
your government, if not worse in many cases.


Toad, if you lived in Iran just how far do you think you would get  
sharing information about Christianity if you could be censored by  
those around you?  Is that the kind of Freenet we want to create?  It  
certainly isn't the kind of Freenet I have been working towards for  
the last 6 or 7 years...


Ian.

On 13 Jul 2005, at 14:48, Matthew Exon wrote:


Matthew Toseland wrote:


On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 02:01:15PM +0200, Matthew Exon wrote:




Why do I, or Chinese christians, care whether the content is  
being distributed openly or secretly?  It's still being  
distributed, right? It's entirely possible that Al Qaeda are  
swapping jokes about the London Underground through my node right  
now.  The fact that it's invisible to me doesn't make me any  
happier about it.



It would be distributed primarily on paedophile only darknets. And
although SOME might be distributed on the open-ish darknets, they  
could

not be used for recruitment. It would be a MAJOR improvement on the
current situation.



So it's a reduction in the volume of bad stuff, not a complete  
solution.  I can buy this argument, but I'm not sure it's going to  
convince very many people.  You guess that you reduced the problem  
by 90%, but the problem was unmeasurable both before and after, so  
what can you really promise to these people?  Only that you're  
pretty certain you haven't solved the problem completely.



I thought you were trying to set it up so that porn can be traded  
as easily as now, but that I could still ensure that no porn  
passes through my node.  So I'd have a clear conscience, without  
anyone being cut off from the data they want.  In theory.  In  
practice, it looks like it won't work out so neatly.



No, that would be pointless.
I want to set up a system whereby a darknet can have its own  
standards
for content, which are determined democratically. If paedophiles  
aren't
welcome, they have to go elsewhere. They may be able to set up  
their own

network, but the main network wouldn't be helping them, and obviously
it'd be a smaller network (and not usable for recruiting).



OK.  This is a philosophical disagreement.  I'd go so far as to say  
I'd rather have the government censoring my communications than a  
simple majority of freenetters.  At least with the government, mob  
rule is moderated somewhat by courts and constitutions.  To really  
climb onto the soapbox for a bit, democracy is horribly overrated:  
the real source of freedom in our society is the humanist  
philosophical underpinnings of a legal system built from the  
experience of hundreds of years. Democracy is an important piece of  
the machine, without which it doesn't work very well, but democracy  
on its own isn't much better than nothing.  I'm not ready to submit  
to the tyranny of the majority yet.



As an aside, I wouldn't put too much faith in Chinese christians  
spending a lot of time worrying about child porn.  I'm sure  
they're not in favour of it, but it's just not the hot-button  
issue that it is in the West.  Porn in general, maybe, but  
probably not enough to stop them joining the students' porntastic  
darknet.


Well it's certainly a big deal in the West. And the future of  
democracy

in the West is by no means assured.



Democracy isn't looking particularly healthy in the USA right now,  
but comparing it to China or Burma would be a gross exaggeration.   
If Americans struggling against oppression in the US are too  
worried about the possibility of child porn to use Freenet,  
frankly, screw 'em.  They can use bittorrent.  I'm less than  
convinced that those worries would stop Chinese christians or  
democracy activists, and they're a far bigger concern for me.



Tibetans would be free to set up their own darknet within Tibet,  
but what's the point if they can't smuggle footage of human  
rights abuses out to Amnesty International?  And the new darknet  
would be such a tempting target for the Chinese government; much  
more so than a million students who, at the end of the day, much  
of the government regards as pretty harmless.



So harmless that they murdered 2000 of them in 1991.



Obviously I don't want to get backed into the position of seeming  
to minimise the horror of the Tiananmen Square massacre, and I  
don't want arguments about that to get in the way of my arguments  
about the accessibility of Freenet.  But there's no comparison  
between the level of oppression in the west and in the east of  
China today.  And I stand by my comment that much of the government  
regards the pro-democracy movement as pretty harmless.  The  
military doesn't, because they fear being locked up for what they  
did in 1991; but any move to round up 

[freenet-chat] Newsbyte trolls /.

[Ian Clarke]

One of Newsbyte's trolling attempts seems to have made it on to  
Slashdot:

  http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl? 
sid=05/05/16/1212248tid=156

Fortunately, many of the comments point out that Newsbyte is a troll  
that hasn't contributed a single line of code to the project, so I  
think his little piece of gadflyery has backfired quite nicely.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] AnonySlash?

[Ian Clarke]

http://infoanarchy.org/ I suppose, although I don't think it is very 
active these days.

Ian.
On 18 Apr 2005, at 16:31, Todd Walton wrote:
Anyone know of anything Slashdot-like that caters specifically to the
anonymity/crypto crowd?
-todd
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Freenet on MPAA radar

[Ian Clarke]

On 26 Mar 2005, at 15:03, Jes wrote:
Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
See attachment (from
http://ice.citizenlab.org/blogimages/mpaa-freenet.png).
I do not find this amusing.
This is exactly how freenet is perceived by many (and what it has 
become):
an anonymous p2p application, perfect for child porn.:o(
What does this have to do with child porn?  Why are you taking 
something that has nothing to-do with child porn, and making it about 
child porn?  Why are you so obsessed with child pornography?

Do you have children, Ian?
I hope not.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] request for java 1.5 compilation ..

[Ian Clarke]

On 15 Mar 2005, at 11:40, Matthew Toseland wrote:
Dijjer doesn't do NAT-hopping iirc.
Yes it does, assuming we have the same definition of NAT-hopping.  It 
uses a variation of UDP hole punching as described in [1], except 
without needing a rendezvous server (well, one is needed the first time 
a node joins the network, but thereafter it uses other peers in the 
network to serve this purpose).

Ian.
[1] http://www.brynosaurus.com/pub/net/p2pnat.pdf
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] request for java 1.5 compilation ..

[Ian Clarke]

On 15 Mar 2005, at 14:25, Matthew Toseland wrote:
This is the one we discussed?
A and B both start sending packets to one another at the same time i.e.
equivalent of TCP simultaneous connect, which unlike the TCP version,
reasonably reliably works with UDP?
Correct.
 This is not a deliberate feature in
NATs to aid UDP transit - it's something that is inevitable from how 
UDP
works...
Semantics.  The important point is that we aren't relying on some kind 
of bug that is liable to be fixed at any time, it is a deliberate 
feature that is essential to almost *any* useful usage of UDP over a 
NAT.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] request for java 1.5 compilation ..

[Ian Clarke]

On 8 Mar 2005, at 23:17, Greg Wooledge wrote:
I don't doubt Matthew's abilities
or dedication, but I often doubt Ian's vision, with his tendency to say
things like, If it works for Windows users, through a $50 black-box
NAT router, that's 90% of the market, and that's good enough for now.
I just love it when people put words in my mouth.  I'm not really sure 
what you are talking about here, but my vision for 0.7 is that it 
will be *at least* as easy to configure and use as any other P2P 
application out there, something that I don't think we would ever have 
achieved without the 0.7 rewrite.

Perhaps you could clarify exactly what is wrong with Freenet working 
out-of-the-box for 90% of our users?  What is your better suggestion?

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[freenet-chat] Freenet on MPAA radar

[Ian Clarke]

See attachment (from 
http://ice.citizenlab.org/blogimages/mpaa-freenet.png).

I find this quite amusing :-)

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Republicans come out against Induce

[Ian Clarke]

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This can only be a good thing, the American Conservative Union is going 
to run ads which oppose the Induce Act.  The ad is linked at the bottom 
of the press release, and it is a pretty succinct summary of why the 
Induce Act is so wrong.

Go Republicans! :-)
From: http://conservative.org/pressroom/040920.asp :
Criminal Penalties Suggested in S. 2560 are Anti-Consumer and Set 
Dangerous Precedent, Says ACU

ACU Launches Campaign to Oppose S. 2650: Inducing Infringement of 
Copyrights Act

ALEXANDRIA, VA  Third parties should not be held legally liable for 
the criminal acts of others solely to appease Hollywood millionaires 
and their trial attorney friends, the American Conservative Union said 
today in announcing a major advertising campaign opposing S. 2650 the 
Inducing Infringement of Copyrights Act of 2004.

This misguided legislation would hold manufacturers of computers, 
software and other technologies criminally liable if their legal 
products were misused to reproduce copyrighted material, ACU Executive 
Director Richard Lessner said announcing the organization's ad 
campaign.

It is a basic foundation of American jurisprudence, recognized in the 
Supreme Court's landmark Sony Betamax decision, that those who actually 
violate copyrights should be held criminally responsible, not those who 
manufactured the computer, VCR, copy machine, or computer software used 
to infringe. S. 2650 is tantamount to holding gun makers liable for the 
acts of armed criminals, or automakers responsible for drunk drivers.

While the protection of intellectual property rights is an important 
issue, Lessner said, and the infringement of copyrights is a serious 
problem, S. 2650 is an overly broad remedy. It would penalize 
technology producers for inducing others to act criminally. The 
bill's standard of inducement, however, is so subjective that it would 
chill technological innovation, severely restrict consumer choice in 
the marketplace, and create a whole new class of lawsuits for predatory 
trial attorneys.

Unfortunately, this misguided legislation's chief sponsor is Sen. 
Orrin Hatch, a Republican who should know better, Lessner said. ACU 
is launching a major advertising campaign to educate the public and 
Republicans in Congress about the dangerous nature of this 
trial-attorney boondoggle.

An important principle is at stake here. If this bill were to become 
law, it would set a precedent for holding innocent Americans liable for 
indirectly 'inducing' criminal acts in others. The implications are 
staggering.

ACU's campaign launches today with an advertisement in The Weekly 
Standard. The ad also will appear in The Wall Street Journal, The 
Washington Times, National Review, Human Events, and selected web 
sites.

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/Ad2REv4.pdf
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Re: [freenet-chat] Can Freenet work? (Re: QoS again (Re: [Tech] Reducing the file

[Ian Clarke]

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You are arguing against a strawman.  I never entirely discounted 
Oskar's argument, in fact, if you have been following devl you will 
note that Toad will shortly be starting work on a simulation of NGR to 
address some of the valid points Oskar made.

Ian.
On 6 Sep 2004, at 17:15, Newsbyte wrote:
Stop replying to something I have not said. I don't know what you are
reading, but I have never said anywhere that anything should be
mathematically proven. I advocate experimentation, and what I am
saying is that none of it going on here.

Does Absence of proof is not proof of absence sound familiar?  
Anyway:
While you both have some interesting points, I must agree with oscar 
(even
though we disagree a lot on some other points). I think his basic 
point is,
that the devl cyclus that the project takes is crap, in the sense that 
it is
haphazard.

Now, I know You like to potray it as enivitable due to it's 
experimental
nature, but, frankly, that seems just an easy way out for explaining 
the
shortcomings. It has nothing to do with your perceived idea that 
oponents of
the current development are mathimatical perfectionists, as you always 
seem
to claim.

I agree with you (Ian) that in some more detailed points oskar made, he
might be a bit expecting to much of a Freenet in development (or out 
beta
stage, even); anonymity can never be absolute, and it all depends on 
what
effort (cost/benefit) it involves. (Hence my proposal for the
encryptionlayer of the datastorage that has, through the law, more 
legal
protection to some legal harrassement practises).

This has nothing to do with his basis premisse that things should be 
done in
a more structured way, and you are wrong in claiming using a more 
sientific
method can not be done, because of the intrinsic experimental nature of
freenet. A scientific endeavour is NOT the same as thinking out a 
complete
theory till all details fit, and then making a perfect tool in one 
stroke,
but it DOES mean, as Oskar hinted, that you have a process of 
developping a
theory, testing that theory, observing the experiment(s) and looking 
at how
it holds up to the theory, adapting the theory and/or the experiments 
and
trying it out again, etc. The process of falsification is paramount to 
the
scientific progress made, and NO other way has resulted in more succes 
then
that, including guessing and trying things out haphazardly.

Besides, I find it a bit puzzling you are defending the current
development-process so much, as it is actually your word(s), that we 
are
doing things too haphazardly. I remember clearly because I was reading 
your
post (several months ago) where you claimed exactly that, and I had to 
look
it up because I didn't know for sure what it meant. So, you 
acknowledged it
yourself, back then...so what changed? We are STILL doing it 
haphazardly. If
you were criticising it yourself back then, you should still criticise 
it
today, since nothing fundamentzal changed.

You can claim we have made progress in this or that area, but the 
bottom
line is, the network is still pretty much crappy. And basides, we maybe
would have made a lot more progress if we had done things a bit more
scientific and structured, instead of trying things out on a hinch or
'intuition'. The example you give is very interesting, but it's not a
shortage of novel ideas we have, it's adequately testing those ideas 
and
analysing and adapting them so they become novel *working* ideas.

And saying 'make a fork if you don't like it' is pretty weak too.  It 
would
enveriably diffuse the effort and finances we have, and it's not like 
we
have an infinite amount of those. If a fork would be made, it would
enevitably weaken the two projects, maybe to a point of where both 
would
completely grind to a halt. That's why I wasn't interested in the 
offer of
joining the former try of a freenetfork with the 0.5.x branche, if you
remember that episode). I just thought it was a waste of time and 
effort.
The project does not genereate THAT much interest that it can 
succesfully
sustain 2 variants in development, IMHO. It does not mean the critique 
given
is unvalid, though, and, as I said, you once agreed to it yourself.

So why not try to remedie it? The alternative that oscar proposes is 
NOT
dissabandonning the project, as you seem to think, but rather revert 
it back
to when it was a in a more simple and managable stage, and try to
investigate every new feature or implementation thoroughly, see if it 
works,
and if it doesn't, analyse why and try to fix THAT, one step at a 
time. It's
NOT the approach we use today (and which has nothing to do with the 
work of
Toad, because I'm sure he's working hard, only he's trapped in the same
non-scientific system-of-guesses).

Another alternative (and maybe even necessary in oskars suggestion) 
would be
the testnetwork I have spoken of before. Your counteragrument is 
always 'it
didn't work the time we tried it 

Re: [freenet-chat] Can Freenet work? (Re: QoS again (Re: [Tech] Reducing the file

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On 7 Sep 2004, at 15:50, Newsbyte wrote:
I can't but feel that, if you had been more supportive and open to 
these
ideas, we would long have had a testnetwork or the necessary 
simulations.
Wrong.  We have had both a test network, two if you count unstable as a 
test network, and we have had numerous simulations over the years.

You always doubted if they were going to do any good, and indeed, it 
remains
to be seen how useful a tools they will be, but on the other hand, it 
was
clear we weren't going anywhere with the current, haphazard way 
neither,
even a year ago.
Nobody has actually supported the claim that our current approach is 
haphazard, all we have is a number of people repeating the claim over 
and over again without support or justification.  It is very easy to 
say oh, if only we had done X things would be further along by now - 
but as Oskar would say, this is an unfalsifiable claim, and thus 
worthless.  If you have specific examples of failures in our approach 
then please state them, but don't waste our time with your 20:20 
hindsight.

In my view, we wasted a lot of time and energy and finances due to an
inefficient way of working,
Another broad unsubstantiated claim.  Prey tell us, oh all-knowing one, 
what exactly was done that shouldn't have been done, and given what we 
knew at the time, why should we have chosen to do something else?

 I know you mean well,
and you have to make decisions and you are limited in your 
possibilities, so
it's not that I don't understand. But still, I think you hung on too 
much
too long on a bad one, in this regard.
A bad what?  Please give specific examples to support your argument 
rather than relying on a broad unsubstantiated premise.

 There has been precious little
checking if new features did what they where suppose to do and why 
(not),
and I think this was pretty aparent.
Examples?
 And without that, as Oscar said, you
can't expect much progress.
His name is osKar, and would a spellchecker really be *that* much 
trouble?

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Freenet China

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Well, this was the whole point of the distribution servlet.
Ian.
On 1 Sep 2004, at 17:48, Toad wrote:
Hmm. The current scheme blocks any web page that includes any of the  
below
words, correct? They'll just have to download it through an SSL proxy,
or share it internally... I'm sure there are chinese groups quite
capable of redistributing Freenet.

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 08:09:37AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
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From
http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/chinadn/en/archives/ 
002885.html
:

It is an open secret that all Chinese Internet hosting services,
including wireless and instant messenger services, filter user
communication through key word blocking mechanisms. But overly vague
and broad Chinese internet laws and the internet police force never
made the forbidden words explicit -- Not until some Chinese hackers
located a document within the installation package of QQ instant
messaging software. The file contains over one thousand words, most  
of
them in Chinese, which will be blocked by the service.
...snip...
From Program Files\Tencent\QQGame\COMToolKit.dll:
falun
sex
tianwang
cdjp
av
bignews
boxun
chinaliberal
chinamz
chinesenewsnet
cnd
creaders
dafa
dajiyuan
dfdz
dpp
falu
falun
falundafa
flg
freechina
freedom
freenet   Nice to know they care
fuck
GCD
gcd
hongzhi
hrichina
huanet
hypermart
incest
jiangdongriji
lihongzhi
making
minghui
minghuinews
nacb
naive
nmis
paper
peacehall
playboy
renminbao
renmingbao
rfa
safeweb
sex
simple
svdc
taip
tibetalk
triangle
triangleboy
UltraSurf
unixbox
ustibet
voa
voachinese
wangce
wstaiji
xinsheng
yuming
zhengjian
zhengjianwang
zhenshanren
zhuanfalun
bitch
fuck
shit
...snip Chinese words...
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Re: [freenet-chat] Freenet China

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It isn't on a predetermined port - is it?
Ian.
On 1 Sep 2004, at 17:55, Toad wrote:
On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 05:54:20PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
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Well, this was the whole point of the distribution servlet.
Which will be blocked at every transparent proxy. If we're lucky they
don't have the hardware to block within an ISP yet.
Ian.
On 1 Sep 2004, at 17:48, Toad wrote:
Hmm. The current scheme blocks any web page that includes any of the
below
words, correct? They'll just have to download it through an SSL 
proxy,
or share it internally... I'm sure there are chinese groups quite
capable of redistributing Freenet.

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 08:09:37AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
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From
http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/chinadn/en/archives/
002885.html
:
It is an open secret that all Chinese Internet hosting services,
including wireless and instant messenger services, filter user
communication through key word blocking mechanisms. But overly 
vague
and broad Chinese internet laws and the internet police force never
made the forbidden words explicit -- Not until some Chinese hackers
located a document within the installation package of QQ instant
messaging software. The file contains over one thousand words, most
of
them in Chinese, which will be blocked by the service.
...snip...
From Program Files\Tencent\QQGame\COMToolKit.dll:
falun
sex
tianwang
cdjp
av
bignews
boxun
chinaliberal
chinamz
chinesenewsnet
cnd
creaders
dafa
dajiyuan
dfdz
dpp
falu
falun
falundafa
flg
freechina
freedom
freenet   Nice to know they care
fuck
GCD
gcd
hongzhi
hrichina
huanet
hypermart
incest
jiangdongriji
lihongzhi
making
minghui
minghuinews
nacb
naive
nmis
paper
peacehall
playboy
renminbao
renmingbao
rfa
safeweb
sex
simple
svdc
taip
tibetalk
triangle
triangleboy
UltraSurf
unixbox
ustibet
voa
voachinese
wangce
wstaiji
xinsheng
yuming
zhengjian
zhengjianwang
zhenshanren
zhuanfalun
bitch
fuck
shit
...snip Chinese words...
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

[Ian Clarke]

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On 24 Aug 2004, at 18:24, Nick Tarleton wrote:
On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a
mile from Freenet and anything like it.
Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one 
sued for contributory copyright infringement.
I don't think so, who would sue you?
Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

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On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote:
I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd  
like to know a couple of answers first:

1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under  
current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
In short yes, just as the answer to Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that  
I could get struck by lightening? would also be yes.  Could you get  
sued?  Yes.  Could they win the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th  
Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely.

The best advice I can give is to read this:
  http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php
Then, if you are *really* feeling enthusiastic, read the Grokster  
ruling:

   
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/MGM_v_Grokster/ 
20040819_mgm_v_grokster_decision.pdf

And then, before you get too excited, read about the Induce Act:
  http://techlawadvisor.com/induce/
2. Approximately how soon is the change to fixed-size keys expected?  
Approximately how much would this require changing in an existing  
client?
You should direct this question to the development mailing list,  
Matthew is the person to answer it (he also reads this mailing list,  
but I suspect you will catch his attention more easily on devl, and  
this question is on-topic for that mailing list).

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

[Ian Clarke]

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On 24 Aug 2004, at 00:23, Nick Tarleton wrote:
On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote:
I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd
like to know a couple of answers first:
1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, 
under
current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
In short yes, just as the answer to Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that
I could get struck by lightening? would also be yes.  Could you get
sued?  Yes.  Could they win the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th
Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely.
The best advice I can give is to read this:
   http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php
Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as 
everyone
knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in 
violation of
copyright.
You might have, but you certainly don't after saying that on a public 
mailing list.

 Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk
even getting a lawsuit threat/CD letter.
I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a 
mile from Freenet and anything like it.

(BTW, I don't think the INDUCE Act will ever pass, and if it did, it 
wouldn't
last long - can you imagine what The Public would think if MP3 player 
makers
- big companies, not Jon Johansens - were hauled to court en masse?)
Unfortunately the real damage of the Induce Act would likely occur 
during private meetings between entrepreneurs and their potential 
investors, rather than in public court proceedings.  It won't be easy 
for the public to see that they have been denied the next iPod if they 
never knew that it might have existed in the first place.

Ian. 
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[freenet-chat] Crossposting to tech

[Ian Clarke]

Please don't cross-post to tech from chat without a good reason (and I 
don't see why any of the recent cross-posts are justified).  If people 
wish to read posts appropriate to chat then they will subscribe to the 
chat mailing list.

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Re: [freenet-chat] RE: anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 6 Aug 2004, at 19:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The WWW is very anonymous.  If I hadn't used my real name in my email 
address there is no way you could tell who I am.
Thw WWW is anonymous if you are worried about being tracked down by a 
computer illiterate 10 year old.  If you are worried about someone more 
sophisticated than that then the WWW is most certainly not anonymous by 
almost any definition of the word.

By looking at the headers of your email I could find the IP address of 
your computer, as could the operator of any website you visit.  Given 
that IP address, it is relatively trivial to find your location (do a 
Google search for IP address location).  If I had the resources of a 
moderately sized corporation, I could also correlate your IP addresses 
with one of the many many websites that you have given your name to and 
find out all sorts of other things about you.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

Really?  Then I guess your ISP must be based in or close to Riverview, 
Florida, which is where your email headers indicate that your email 
originated (and that is using the first IP address locator Google gave 
me, I am sure others are much more accurate).

For your information, most ISPs include the originating IP address in 
the email headers, this, to people with the appropriate resources 
(which is more people than you probably think), is as good as giving 
your name, date of birth, address, and social security number.

Ian.
On 8 Aug 2004, at 00:54, Matthew Findley wrote:
Email headers will only help you track someone down if they're running 
their own mail server.
Unless our friend Mr. Pineapple is the yahoo system admin.
 
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And even if you were able to get my ip address (which you can just as 
easly get from freenet) you would only be able to narrow it down.  
Only your ISP would know who your actualy are.
More importantly this still asumess I'm useing my home computer.  If 
one was really worried about being anonymous there are any number of 
free to use computers with internet connections at librarys and 
collages across the country.
You could also use a wireless laptop and just go to various open 
hotspots.
 
 
Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 

 On 6 Aug 2004, at 19:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The WWW is very anonymous.  If I hadn't used my real name in my 
email
  address there is no way you could tell who I am.

 Thw WWW is anonymous if you are worried about being tracked down by a
 computer illiterate 10 year old.  If you are worried about someone 
more
  sophisticated than that then the WWW is most certainly not 
anonymous by
  almost any definition of the word.

 By looking at the headers of your email I could find the IP address 
of
 your computer, as could the operator of any website you visit.  Given
 that IP address, it is relatively trivial to find your location (do a
 Google search for IP address location).  If I had the resources of 
a
 moderately sized corporation, I could also correlate your IP 
addresses
 with one of the many many websites that you have given your name to 
and
 find out all sorts of other things about you.

 Ian.

  

 
 
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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Showdown at the Freenode Coral

[Ian Clarke]

On 6 Aug 2004, at 14:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I gave you a link to the New York state penal code definition of 
criminal facilitation.  Which spells out very clearly that one only 
needs a probable knowledge that his or her actions are allowing for a 
crime to occur.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a25.html
Perhaps I have overlooked one of your emails, but I don't think you 
responded to my point that if the law was interpreted in the manner you 
are suggesting, then postal workers (who must know that there is a 
possibility that the mail they carry contains illegal material) would 
be liable.

Clearly this would be ridiculous, and so I suspect your interpretation 
must be incorrect.

Looking more closely at the case law you cite it isn't hard to see 
fundamental differences which would mean it doesn't apply here (which 
is good news for postal workers and Freenet node operators alike):

Florez knew the person that she was helping, and had specific reason to 
believe that he would use the account illegally, but she did it anyway. 
 In contrast, neither a Freenet node operator nor a postman will 
typically have specific knowledge of the person to whom they are 
delivering a piece of information, and it is reasonable to assume that 
is most cases that person is doing nothing illegal.

In other words, for any given piece of mail or data, the Freenet node 
operator most certainly does not have probable knowledge that they are 
taking part in an illegal activity.  You are trying to turn a 
collection of acts, a small number of which may assist someone to do 
something illegal, into a single act of criminal facilitation.  This is 
clearly not the intent of the law and I would be amazed if you can 
provide any case law to the contrary.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Showdown at the Freenode Coral

[Ian Clarke]

On 6 Aug 2004, at 18:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The is a big difference in knowing it can happen, and knowing it is 
happening.
I don't think you can be any more or less certain that it is happening 
with Freenet than with the USPS.  I think it is a virtual certainty 
that a given postman will deliver something illegal in the course of 
their career, this may or may not also be true of someone operating a 
Freenet node.

In freenet you know not only that it can happen, but you know it is 
happening (maybe not with 100% certainty, but enough to convince a 
jury I would suspect).
You don't know with any certainty, for any given piece of information, 
that it is happening, all you know is that *something* illegal may pass 
through your node in the course of your running it, but the exact same 
is true of a postman delivering mail.

The reason you are held more accountable for your actions is because 
you are an individual where as the USPS is a huge organization.  It's 
the USPS job to deliver packages, where you are under no obligation to 
run freenet.
A postman is under no obligation to work for the USPS.  It is the USPS 
job to deliver information without reading it, the exact same is true 
of Freenet.  You still haven't demonstrated that under your 
interpretation of the law a postman wouldn't be just as culpable as a 
Freenet node operator.

quote - You are trying to turn a collection of acts, a small number 
of which may assist someone to do something illegal, into a single act 
of criminal facilitation.  This is clearly not the intent of the law 
and I would be amazed if you can provide any case law to the 
contrary.
Actually you combined the acts.
You are dodging the question, in order for you to apply criminal 
facilitation law to Freenet you must stretch it to apply it to a 
collection of acts where there is a small likelihood that one of those 
acts helps someone do something illegal.

The law was not intended to be applied in this manner, on the contrary, 
it is clear that in most sane legal traditions (and even though some on 
this mailing list might disagree, I am including the US here ;) the 
provision of a service or product to the public which happens to be 
used by someone in the course of breaking the law does not make the 
service or product provider a criminal, even when, as is the case with 
any large service or product provider, it is virtually certain that the 
service or product will be used by a criminal at some point.  This is 
what protects Kinkos, Smith  Wesson, Verizon, and many others from 
criminal liability.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: IIP revival (off topic?)

[Ian Clarke]

Sonax wrote:
I think you would get a much greater effect by setting a good example
you'r self and politly ask people who post off topic to use the relevant
lists, than you get with the aproch you use now.
I am polite in cases where people don't know any better, but in your 
case you knew your post was offtopic and you sent it anyway.

You can't get away from
the fact that you have poted off topic in the past, and that makes it
hard to take you'r criticism seriously.
Whatever, all the examples you cite were at the very least related to 
Freenet, yours was about a third party app that bears no technical 
relationship to Freenet.

Ian.
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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-dev] IIP revival (off topic?)

[Ian Clarke]

Why the fuck are you spamming the development list with this?
Every time someone inconsiderately decides to spam this with offtopic 
posts (and no, saying the email is off topic in the subject is no 
excuse) we get one step closer to restricting post privileges to those 
that can exercise some self control and consideration for others.

Ian.
Sonax wrote:
The author of this freesite [EMAIL PROTECTED],JD2L-
DGN~nAZTqVI2PCIkg/iiprevival/2// says he is ready to launche a IIP server,
 but he needs public relays. Thought maby some people on this list could
help...
I felt that a lot of people wanted IIP back, but the support for this
guy has not yet been that overwhelming. He needs about 10-20 nodes.
From the site:

2004-06-10
So far I got a few NIMs and also a few messages in Frost encouraging
me to proceed. But with a total of 6 or 7 responses and around 3 offers
for public relays this is far from what would make an IRC network usefull
at all. So unless I do get significantly more positive responses, I will
drop that attempt. I will listen both to the NIMs on this page and the
Frost board for about another week for further replies.

So if you think you can run such a public relay this is the needed information:
host=Put your host here
port=Put your port here
publickey=Put your public key here
Go to the site and post a nim, go to the frost iip board (no keys), post
to this list (or to chat if you fear the wrath of Ian ;-) or mail them
to me and i shal make shure they end up the right place. 

Now let's get IIP back!
(To the gmane people, that is SSK (at) REMsW1qIViD71EovZVsZPy5mZUoPAgM,
JD2L-DGN~nAZTqVI2PCIkg/iiprevival/2//)
Have fun!
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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-dev] IIP revival (off topic?)

[Ian Clarke]

Toad wrote:
Flamewar can continue on chat. Personally I think the first message was
perfectly valid and Ian's response wasn't.
Let me clarify for you since you are clearly unfamiliar with the remit 
of this mailing list as outlined on our website.  This list is for 
active developers to discuss bugs, and the implementation of near-term 
new features.  Implied in that very clear sentence is that 
announcements or requests for participation in non-Freenet projects are 
absolutely and positively not appropriate.

But if you want to talk about
it, DO SO ON CHAT. I am the moderator and I apologize for contributing
to this thread, however, criticising me for that *here* will just
exacerbate the problem, so TAKE IT TO CHAT OR PRIVATE EMAIL. And I mean
Ian here as well as Sonax, who has already taken his responses to chat.
I agree that it is unfortunate that you had to turn this into a 
flamefest, but if it forces people to be more considerate in the future 
then it will be worth the short term inconvenience.

Ian.
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[freenet-chat] Anyone got a fast server we could use?

[Ian Clarke]

The Watchme stuff is really slowing down Hawk, we need to move it to 
another server.

Basically, the software requirements are:
  * Perl
  * PostgreSQL (we could port to another database if absolutely 
necessary)
  * GraphViz
  * ImageMagick
  * Apache (or equivolent)

The hardware requirements are:
  * Reasonably fast machine (watchme makes heavy use of database)

The network requirements are:
  * Fast connection (minimum T1 - Home broadband won't cut it)
  * Ability to accept incoming TCP connections (this is why we can't
just use Sourceforge)

We would need a user account on this machine (logins by ssh), with a 
public_html folder and cgi enabled.  Only trusted developers would be 
given access to the user account.

Is anyone in a position to donate these resources to the project?  If so 
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Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Automatic /. mirroring on Freenet

[Ian Clarke]

On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 09:21:56AM +, Revenant wrote:
   The slashdot effect describes when a website is brought down by the 
 sudden influx of traffic caused by a referral on Slashdot.org.  

I am aware of that.

   Mirroring slashdot itself wouldn't really help with this.  You'd have 
 to mirror every site referred to as soon as an article referring to it 
 was posted, as the slashdot effect tends to hit within an hour or so of 
 the referral being posted.

That is what I was suggesting, sorry if it was unclear.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Automatic /. mirroring on Freenet

[Ian Clarke]

Someone should definitely explore the possibility of setting-up an 
automatic /. mirror on Freenet - to help address the serious problem of 
the /. effect.  Slashdot's excuses in their FAQ for not setting up a 
cache are pretty lame, almost every ISP uses caches of one form or 
another, as does Google, and as far as I know, nobody complains about 
it.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-dev] Graphing watchme output

[Ian Clarke]

Of particular relevance is the Dot language:

  http://www.research.att.com/~erg/graphviz/info/lang.html

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:42:27AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
 If anyone out there fancies putting their Perl, Python, or 
 whatever skills to an easy but interesting problem, how about 
 writing something which isolates a single message from the watchme 
 logs (at http://hawk.freenetproject.org/~watchme/logs) and uses it 
 to produce some input for something like Graphviz 
 (http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/graphviz/)?

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[freenet-chat] WatchMe functionality ready for some initial testing

[Ian Clarke]

Ok, my first cut at the watchme functionality is ready for beta 
testing.  I have done some preliminary testing and all seems to be 
working as-expected.

To use it: 

1) Download a fresh snapshot (you probably won't want to overwrite
   your current Freenet node, the snapshot available as-of this email 
   should work fine)

2) Generate the freenet.conf file as normal.

3) Add a line to your freenet.conf file with watchme=true

4) Download a seednodes file from:
 http://hawk.freenetproject.org/~watchme/seednodes.ref

NOTE: The normal seednodes file will be useless since watchme nodes 
  won't talk to normal nodes.

5) Export your seeds file - type the following in the freenet-xxx 
   directory:
 $ java -cp lib/freenet.jar:lib/freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.Main -x myRef.ref

6) Send the file myRef.ref to me so that I can add it to the watchme 
   seednodes.ref file

7) Run your node as normal

8) Try to use your node in a similar way that you do normally, but 
   remember that you have no expectation of anonymity whatsoever 
   (although it would still require a-little effort to figure out what 
   you are doing).

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Re: [freenet-chat] PRIORITY MAIL

[Ian Clarke]

I doubt this is what they claim it to be.  Basically I am sure that at 
some point if you contacted them, they would ask you for money for some 
obscure reason, and you would never see it again.

Ian.

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:36:32AM -0700, Aaron Ingebrigtsen wrote:
 Ah, a kickback.  I know this method well from reading some crazy insane 
 books writen by a crazy insane guy by the name of L. Ron Hubbard.  Totaly 
 crazy.  I think these guys are doing something illegal, and that it was a 
 bad idea for them to send this message to a PUBLIC email list.  Heehe!!  I 
 sure hope they don't get killed or something. :)
 
 
 From: DR. SULEIMON TAFIDA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [freenet-chat] PRIORITY MAIL
 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:44:16
 
 
 DR. SULEIMON TAFIDA
 NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION
 FEDERAL SECRETARIAT,FALOMO- LAGOS, NIGERIA.
 TELEPHONE:  234-1-775-0572
 
 
 
 Dear Sir,
 
 First, I must solicit your trust and strictest confidence in this 
 transaction,  this is
 by virtue of it's nature as been utterly  confidential and top secret. You 
 were
 introduced to us by a mutual acquaintance  from the Nigerian  Chamber of
 Commerce, Foreign Trade Division. He does not know of the nature of what I 
 am
 about to introduce to you. He only  knows that I have some funds to invest
 abroad, hence he recommended you.
 
 I am the Director of Engineering  Project of the  Nigerian National  
 Petroleum
 Corporation(N.N.P.C) in Lagos, Nigeria. I am  seeking your assistance  to 
 enable
 me transfer the sum of US$36,400,000.00 into  your private or company 
 account
 for mutual benefits. This money came about as a result  of a contract for 
 the
 supply of two thousand, three  hundred and sixty-seven  computer unit,
 installation and the Y2K compliance  turn-around maintenance  executed on
 behalf of my Ministry(N.N.P.C), in the  year 1999. This contract  was 
 officially
 assigned to be awarded and executed by  two foreign contractors  at the 
 tune of
 US$116,500,000.00, but in the course of  my negotiation,  I bargained with 
 only
 one foreign contractor, a Bulgarian firm which  now executed the contract 
 at the
 cost ofUS$80,100.000.00. Thus leaving  the remaining US$36.4million 
 floating in
 the escrow account  of the Central  Bank of Nigeria(C.B.N) to the benefits 
 of we
 the  three members of the  contract award panel unknown to the contractor 
 and
 any  other person in  my Ministry. This contract has been satisfactorily
 executed, inspected  and commissioned, and the Bulgarian firm is presently
 securing his payment  from my Ministry.  It is however to this effect that 
 I seek
 your maximum  assistance and  approval to present your company name
 alongside with  the Bulgarian contractor  as the second foreign contractor 
 to
 enable me transfer  the difference  (US$36.4M) into your account for 
 further
 investment depending on your  advice.  On actualization of the transaction 
 ,the
 funds will be  shared thus:
 1. 20% of the money go to you for acting as the beneficiary of the funds.
 2. 10% for  incidental expenses that may be incurred ie insurance, phone 
 bills,
 documentation etc.
 3. 70% to we three members of the Contract  Award Panel.
 
 All logistics are in place and all modalities worked out for the smooth
 actualization of the transaction within fourteen  working days of 
 commencement
 after receipt of the following information by fax: Your company's Name. 
 Address.
 Phone/Fax number and activities. Also, if we opt for electronic  transfer 
 only
 other than payment by solar bank draft  or cash call program,  then your 
 bank
 account particulars. The above information will enable me make the payment
 application and lodge claims  to the concerned Ministries in favor of your
 company or name and it is pertinent to state here that this deal is 
 entirely  based
 on trust and the fear of God. If you are able to handle it, feel free to 
 reach me on
 phone  number via my Telephone:231-1-775-0572 . which is my  confidential 
 line.
 Also furnish me with  your own phone and fax numbers as I will be sending  
 you
 all necessary  registration documents immediately I receive your  positive
 response.
 
 Thanks in anticipation for your positive response.
 yours faithfully.
 Dr. SULEIMON TAFIDA
 
 (Director-NNPC)
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[Chat] Mailing lists migrated to newer version of mailman

[Ian Clarke]

I have upgraded our mailing-list software, MailMan, from version 2.0.3 to
2.0.9. Unfortunately I had to recreate the mailing lists, so people may
want to re-request their passwords and reconfigure their accounts if they
had made changes to the default configuration. Sorry :-(

Better still, we are now using the debian version of mailman rather than a 
custom-installed version which will make future upgrades much easier.

I will try to convert the old archives over soon.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Houdini Keys

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 10:42:00PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>  a) Keys are vanishing from the data store

Very interesting indeed, when I saw your graphs for the first time, I 
assumed it was due to you resetting your datastore.

I might say that this was due to a large piece of data being added to the 
datastore and flushing out most of the data, but I changed the DataStore 
code to prevent that over a year ago IIRC.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-tech] Re: Crash in new Fred code?

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:34:40AM +1300, David McNab wrote:
> Re-code the whole fucking thing in C or C++ !!!

You seriously believe that writing software in C++ is faster than 
writing software in Java?  I have never met anyone equally familiar with 
both C++ and Java who would agree with you.  The simple fact that you 
don't need to worry about bounds-checking in Java alone gets rid of a 
significant percentage of bugs which plague C++ software.

> And clean up the design in the process.

What is wrong with the design?  Sure, it isn't perfect, but I am curious 
as to what specific suggestions you have (you obviously have some if you 
are implying that there are serious flaws in the current design).

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Another Clarke-Darcy dust up

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 05:23:25PM -0600, Timm Murray wrote:
> Sheesh, you two are worse than MJR and Bemman.

The occasional flame-fest is good for the soul.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Censorship

[Ian Clarke]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 01:30:30PM -0500, Tavin Cole wrote:
> I see two flaws in this scenario.  One is that we all know that
> WhackAMole(tm) key censoring software simply won't work. 

It will if enough people are forced/persuaded to install it.

> The other is
> that at least under the DMCA (and probably any similar laws around the
> world) the CoS would have to ask the node operator to remove the keys
> from his node before taking him to court.

So?  They tell him to remove it, he replies that he can't, they reply 
"Sure you can, but you have to install LiesBeGone(tm)".  That way, they 
can force him (and everyone else) to install their censorship software 
without bringing anyone to court!

This might seem implausable, but then, if someone had told me about the 
DMCA 5 years ago, I wouldn't have believed it was plausable either.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Censorship

[Ian Clarke]

I am concerned about CofE's comments with-respect to people censoring 
their own datastores, in that I don't think people are seeing how 
dangerous this could be.

Consider a scenario: Joe Bloggs installs the "KiddiePornBeGone(tm)"
software in a well-meaning attempt to support the wider goals of Freenet
without helping pedophiles.  A few months later the police come knocking
on his door, and he gets dragged to court.  When he gets there he
discovers a bunch of well-paid Church of Scientology lawyers.  They show
evidence that they were able to request CoS trade secrets from his node
(detailing how they believe us all to be infested by aliens and only by
giving all our money to them can we get rid of these "thetans").  Joe
looks at the judge in disbelief - "But they could have got those through
any node they requested them from, there is nothing special about me". 
"Ah," replies the CoS lawyer "you already run KiddiePornBeGone, so you
are obviously capable of controlling what can be requested through your
node, and thus you are responsible for it.  If Mr Bloggs was running our
"LiesBeGone(tm)" software then he could easily avoid violating our trade 
secrets and breaking the law".  The judge (keen to finish up with this 
case so that he can get to his Scientology meeting), is convinced, and 
Joe is locked up for life.

Other Freenet users look on in fear, and most obediently download and 
install "LiesBeGone(tm)" to avoid the same fate.  Suddenly the Church of 
Scientology decides what is and isn't permitted on Freenet.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] deep philosophical question

[Ian Clarke]

I use this:

http://razor.sourceforge.net/

- to help reduce Spam, it works well with the "mutt" email client on
Linux.  The more people that use it, the better it gets (it is sort-of
P2P in the Napster sense).

Ian.

On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 01:02:54AM -0700, krepta at juno.com wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:01:19 +1100 Glenn McGrath 
> writes:
> > Maybe ive been lucky, i only get about a dozen a week.
> 
> I get about 20 messages a day on Juno, and most of them are sort of
> solicited, because I gave permision on a few websites for them to send me
> stuff.  But on other email providers, like MSN, I get like 30 porn crap
> messages a day!! :(
> 
> GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO!
> Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less!
> Join Juno today!  For your FREE software, visit:
> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.
> 
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[freenet-chat] deep philosophical question

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 06:06:35PM -0700, krepta at juno.com wrote:
> Well I personaly think it that unsolicited junk email should be stoped. 
> I like the ones that with instructions on how to get your email account
> taken off their lists by sending a single, simple email message.

You might, until you discover that the real motive behind many of those
"remove me" emails is to confirm that an email address is active, which
increases its value when selling it to other spammers.

That means that you actually end up getting *more* spam by trying to get
them to remove you.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] anarchists in america

[Ian Clarke]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:46:10PM -0700, martin chao wrote:
 I began my paper
 with a purely technical perspective, but after
 studying freenet I've decided to change the focus to
 political.

I suggest you stick to technical issues, your rhetorical skills clearly
require much development.

 I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some of
 your people appear to be quite pathetic.

A tip for the future, if you are looking for a serious debate, starting
an email with a childish insult is a very poor start.  There are many
people on this list that you could learn from, show them some respect.

 Your form of democracy appears to be anarchy.

If you think that, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

 This group appears to
 be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who hate
 the american dream and any form of authority, yet you
 represent democracy.

Actually, disliking government control is a very capitalist idea, and is
certainly not socialist or communist in the slightest.  Do some research
on the terms you use please.

 You people actually believe the constitution gives you
 the right to distribute porn and other people's
 software.

Well, we do believe that the constitution grants the right to distribute
some forms of pornography, and so does the US Supreme court.

 To quote you: copyrights are a violation of
 free speech. Yet you only offer a one paragraph
 solution which states that fair use is your ideal
 replacement. To say that copyrights should be
 abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph
 replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance of
 this group.

And which paragraph are you talking about?

 For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold
 freedom of speech, you appear to actively discriminate
 against those who don't share your twisted views.
 Hipocricy, again. 

I happily discriminate against the stupid, but not against everyone who
disagrees with me.

 Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the intent
 to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I
 thought open source was the right way? Another example
 of hypocrisy. 

Ah, I see, making money is against our philosophy.  Prey tell what else
is against our philosophy since you appear to be quite an expert on what
we think...

 This philosophy appears to support the distribution of
 kiddie porn as a form of free speech. Perhaps when you
 teenagers are old enough to have kids, and one of them
 gets raped on camera, the film posted on the internet,
 you will learn what type of reality we live in.

Perhaps when your children are sent off to die in a war about which you
know nothing, then you will learn something about our reality too.

 From what I see, detailed instructions on how to
 hijack airliners or conduct biological warfare is
 protected under your freedom of speech philosophy. 

Yes it is, are you suggesting that it be illegal to learn about biology
or aircraft?  I would hate to live in your world.

 I have never seen such a glaring example of hypocrisy
 and ignorant idealism in my life, and I can't wait to
 see the courts shut down your warez/porn distribution
 net. 

Hmmm, perhaps you should forget about writing about technical issues
too.

 Perhaps you all can enlighten me by explaining the
 merits of your three page philosophy to me in detail,
 and please begin by explaining how fair use is the
 ideal replacement.

Perhaps you should explain to me why I bothered responding to your rude
and insulting email.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-devl] Uprizer Decloaks

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 07:53:52PM -0700, Kevin A. Burton wrote:
  http://www.uprizer.com
 
 Does it bother anyone else that they named their product Karma (which is a
 Buddhist concept)?  I am kind of offended by this?  (because I am a Buddhist)
 Especially considering they copyrighted it?
 
 I think my I will call my next product Jesus

Firstly, I suspect that Uprizer's various plans for world domination are
not appropriate material for Freenet's development mailing list, so I am
cross-posting to chat and asking people to just follow-up there if they
feel the need to follow-up at all.

Please do, I am planning to call my next cat Jesus too.

We didn't copyright Karma, we trademarked it - note that trademarks
only prevent other similar companies using it in the same way we do, in
ways that might mislead people.  KARMA is short for the phrase Key
Accessed Redundant Memory Architecture which is a perfect description
of one of the products we have been working on.

Ian.



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Re: [freenet-chat] FCPtools now with AutoSplit support

[Ian Clarke]

 I've checked into CVS a new version of the fcptools (freenet CVS, in 
 Contrib/fcptools), which now supports auto-splitting of all inserted 
 files.


Cool!  It is all coming together.  I have just updated the Linux 
snapshot builder to check out FCPtools from its new location.  Any 
progress on the new FreeWeb built around fcpputsite?  That would be a 
real boost to the number of Freesites on 0.4.

Question: Since all messages are quantized to the next largest power of 
2, is the default splitsize of 262144 optimal?  We need to think about this.

Ian.


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[freenet-chat] Freenet Community Meeting

[Ian Clarke]

The Freenet Community Meeting has now been rescheduled for:

Thomas Boardroom
7:00pm - 9:00pm
Tuesday, November 6

At the O'Reilly P2P Conference in Washington DC.  It will be free, and 
all are welcome.

See their website at http://conferences.oreilly.com/p2p/ for more 
information.

Ian.


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[freenet-chat] Hawk should shortly be back up

[Ian Clarke]

Uprizer had some problems with their ISP over the past few days,
resulting in Hawk being down for a while, but it is now back up on a
different IP address, and the new DNS settings will hopefully propogate
over the next 24 hours or so.

The snapshots I mentioned recently can, in the mean time, be obtained
from:
  http://66.27.255.141/~ian/

They are named in the format freenet-DDMM.tgz and are generated
daily.

Please report any problems to me.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] P2P Conference Postponed - no new date set at this time

[Ian Clarke]

From http://conferences.oreilly.com/p2p/:

Conference Postponed: We are shaken, with the rest of the nation, by the
tragic events of September 11, 2001. Due to the difficulties associated
with air travel, and after careful consideration of the challenges
facing the communities affected and the attendees, sponsors, and
exhibitors, we are postponing the Peer-to-Peer and Web Services
Conference in Washington, DC. We are currently negotiating the exact
dates and anticipate having news during the next week. As soon as we
have further information, we will post it on our web site and send email
to all of our registered attendees, speakers, and conference partners.

Also:

Postponed Conference Transfer Information

* Conference Passes -- All paid conference fees will be transferred
to the new conference dates for the O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer and Web
Services Conference. If you have any questions or concerns, please
contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 800-998-9938.


* Hotel -- If you have a reservation at the Omni Shoreham Hotel for
the conference, we have an arrangement with the hotel to transfer your
reservation, without penalties, to the new dates of the conference. When
we know the new dates, we will contact you and ask that you rebook with
the Omni Shoreham Hotel.


* Airfares -- It is our understanding that if you have purchased a
non-refundable ticket, the ticket can be used as future travel credit on
that airline for one year from the date of purchase. Most airlines
currently charge an exchange fee for this transaction; however, some
airlines, in view of the current situation, have announced that they are
either waiving these fees or refunding non-refundable tickets
altogether. Check your individual airline carrier for specific details
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Re: FW: [freenet-chat] RE: open source trademark

[Ian Clarke]

 Who's ESR?

ESR is Eric S Raymond.  ESR invented Open Source, computers, the wheel,
discovered DNA, and is well on his way to achieving world peace - if you
ask him that is.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Preemptive defense against patents: volunteer needed

[Ian Clarke]

On the suggestion of Theodore Hong, I am looking for a volunteer to help
protect Freenet against claims of patent infringement.  We can do this
through an unlikely collaboration between IP.com and the Foresight
Institute called PriorArt.org (http://priorart.org/).  They allow you to
disclose details of a technical design to prevent others from getting
patents on that design, or components of that design.

We need someone who is familiar with the principles behind Freenet's
design, and who has read and understood the following papers:

http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=icsi-revised 
http://freenetproject.org/freenet.pdf 

Additionally, it would be beneficial if they kept up with more recent
developments on the -devl mailing list.

If anyone feels they fit the bill, please email me off-list.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] [Moved to chat] MercuryFS

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:46:58PM -0700, Josh wrote:
 Is that all you have to say? A terminology issue?
 Open source is a method, not a religion.

This terminology issue actually betrays your complete lack of
understanding of Open Source and the idealogy behind it.  This in itself
wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't chosen to describe your software as
Open Source, even though you had imposed restrictions which are anethema
to the Open Source movement.  If I recall correctly, I brought this to
your attention when you first contacted me, but you failed to heed my
warning.  Given this, some amount of public humiliation is inevitable,
you are fortunate that it happened before a reasonably small audience on
the development mailing list rather than in a much more public forum
like Slashdot.

 There is no reason why I can't do both to accomplish my goals. Go to
 www.mercuryfs.net/license.htm for the current version.  If you read the
 license, you will probably find that it satisfies your requirements.

As you now know, it certainly does not satisfy my requirements, nor does
it satisfy the requirements of the Open Source Initiative.

 Remember, my goal is for a unified single standard. That will take a bit of
 management to achieve.

And it also requires significant arrogance on your part to suppose that
you will become that standard, particularly given the lack of peer
review that your architecture has endured, and the onerous license that
you propose to distribute it under.

 I would be a real shame to pass us by because of terminology.

Your lack of understanding of Open Source does not bode well for your
ability to create a robust architecture.  Others have offered some
criticism of your actual design, personally I don't currently have time
to pick through your paper.

 PS: just because you have no respect for intellectual property doesn't mean
 you should attempt to force this method onto others. If you don't want to
 talk, that's fine.

Here on Freenet we are big fans of peer review.  Part of peer review is
that you get dragged through the coals if you do or say something dumb
(it has happened to most everyone). If you want to learn from this
experience then you should listen to what people are saying, even if you
dislike the tone in which they say it, and either disagree with it
(explaining why - and be prepaired for a debate), or gracefully admit
your mistake and ask that people provide further peer-review on your
architecture.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Re: [Moved to chat] MercuryFS

[Ian Clarke]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:46:39PM -0700, Josh wrote:
 I have no respect for people that get caught up on terminology.

I explained, this is about more than terminology.

 And for the
 record, I diplomatically approached your group, and that's why I did it, for
 the record. Considering your complete lack of respect for intellectual
 property, I did not expect to succeed.

My view on intellectual property law has nothing to do with my criticism
that you have adopted the term Open Source while clearly having no idea
what it means.

 I choose to define open source as something that is open, and MFS is open,
 therefore its open source regardless of what you say it is. You are not the
 defender of open source.

No, but the Open Source Initiative is (see http://www.opensource.org/)
and you clearly violate their guidelines.  Personally, I don't really
care, if you persist in applying the term Open Source to your decidedly
non-Open Source license terms, then you will merely turn yourself into a
laughing-stock.

 I will not remove those words from MFS, and you can
 draw all the attention to me as you want, including notifying GNU of by
 violation of their holy license.

Again, you betray your ignorance.  GNU didn't invent Open Source, in
fact, neither did the Free Software Foundation, although they do produce
a license, the GPL, which falls under the Open Source definition.

 TCP/IP is open source, yet its still
 controlled. We can't have a viable internet with a dozen flavors of TCP/IP.
 I will not repeat the mistakes of others.

What are you talking about?  TCP/IP is a protocol, people agree on it,
not because of some onerous patents (such as those you claim to be
seeking), but because it is a sensible protocol.  If TCP/IP was
protected by patents, you can be assured that it would never have
become the standard Internet protocol.

 You don't understand management, I do.

I run a company employing 15 people.

  If you truly understood the issues, you wouldn't try to
 put me down in front of your own crowd.

You put yourself down, I tried to warn you of your error, and believe
me, I could have been much more vitriolic if I wanted to be.

 In my opinion, I was not humiliated,
 and I'd do it all again, for the record.

Please do, I am sure it would be equally amuzing.

 Only 5 people had bad things to
 say, out of the entire email list.

Only about 5 people say *anything* on the email list, and those that did
are probably the smartest people there.  How many people agreed with
your warped definition of Open Source?

  At least I have the courage to step in
 front of the limelight. I don't value the opinion of hippies, and that's how
 I classify your group.

This is the funniest thing I have read in years!  Hippies?!  Do you even
know what a hippie is?  It feels like I am talking to a 12 year old.
 
 You have no idea what I've had to go thru, to get to this point.

If you persist the way you are currently going, it will have been
nothing compared to the ridicule that is in-store for you.

 I've
 already confronted the government, you have not. I learned from Zimmerman's
 mistakes, that's why I'm still here and working on a project that they fear
 (a lot more than yours).

Personally I am having trouble believing you, you write like a 12 year
old with a grossly inflated ego.  Can you provide some proof of your
heroic stand against oppression?

 Why don't you add strong global encryption to
 freenet, and see what $16 billion a year buys us.

What are you talking about?  We employ extensive encryption in Freenet,
what exactly is your definition of strong global encryption?

 We have different political views. A good businessman can get past that, and
 realize that pragmatism is superior to ideology. You would make for a lousy
 consultant. You don't have much business sense, or else you wouldn't be so
 religious about defending open source. You think you're the defender of
 freedom of speech, yet you live in America. I laugh at people like you. Why
 don't you go to South Africa, or Chechyna, and set and example for all of
 us?

Your ignorance is rather amuzing, I have extensive business experience,
as you would know if you had done any research on me or Freenet.

 What it all boils down to is what technology will succeed. I know that my
 views are mainstream, yours are to the left. Based upon the numbers, and the
 fact that my technology has a lot more promise than yours does (in my
 opinion), we will see who succeeds, wont we?

Actually, I consider my views to be ultra-capitalist where information
is concerned (which is why your accusation that I am a hippie is
particularly funny).

 Unlike the Gnutella crowd, the freenet crowd will always be welcome to join
 the MFS project.

Please don't hold your breath.  I quite like the Gnutella crowd.

 As for my design, do not read it since you disagree with the license.

I won't read it since you have demonstrated that you haven't bothered to
conduct even the most basic survey 

Re: [freenet-chat] Paranoia

[Ian Clarke]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 07:04:16PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 Is Freenet getting DoS'ed???

Nightmares, and now Paranoia - have you been eating too much cheese? ;)

It would be interesting to think how Freenet could be DoSed,
theoretically any DoS attack would be distributed among the nodes on the
network - assuming that there is a reasonably large number of nodes, the
DoS attack sould be of limited effectiveness.

I wonder whether the high message load is causing MessageMemories to be
forgotten?

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Freenet Tsunami

[Ian Clarke]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 04:31:43PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 Freenet's recent 'tsunami' of the last 24-36 hours seems to have lifted.
 
 (Ok then, who's been inserting gigs of data at high htls?)

Yeah, that was weird.  I was watching the hawk node logs, there were a
huge number of requests (almost 1 every 3 or so seconds) but not a
single DataReply...

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] 0.4 ready for testing!

[Ian Clarke]

Ok, I have created a web page which should provide the instructions
people need to try out Freenet 0.4 - the next (and first in over a year)
major release of Freenet.  You should be somewhat familiar with CVS, and
Java before attempting this.

Find instructions at:
   http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=development

If you run into any problems please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Sharing datastore between windows and linux

[Ian Clarke]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 06:57:37PM +1200, heretic108 wrote:
 3) has freenet on both OSs using the same datastore?

H, it is quite possible that differences in the implementation of
the Java API or JVMs on these machines could cause problems.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Node list

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 08:24:40PM +0200, Stefan Reich wrote:
 The problem is that in the end, it is impossible to hide that you are
 running a Freenet node (at least if it's not transient).

It is not, and was never, a goal of Freenet to make it impossible to
determine whether someone is running a node.  Having said that, we will
be taking some precautions in 0.4 to make it more difficult to harvest
node addresses.  I did propose a system a while back called Shadow
nodes which would allow someone to hide their node address using one or
more other Freenet nodes as a proxy.  Nobody except those nodes would
know that you are running a Freenet node.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Reasonable use Issues.

[Ian Clarke]

On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 08:05:43PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
 That's a dangerous and unwarranted assumption.  The Freenet node listens
 on a network socket.  Therefore, if the code has a buffer overflow
 or other bug, a malicious packet could be sent to cause it to take
 undesirable action.

Firstly, buffer overflows are extremely unlikely in Java unless there is
a bug in the virtual machine. Freenet does not carry with it any worse
risks than any other piece of software running on your computer
(including your operating system), in fact, its open source nature
should decrease the probability of bugs.

Ian.


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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Node operators responsibility

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 03:20:02PM -0400, Aaron Guy Davies wrote:
 This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask someone: would a
 standard webmail site, ie Hotmail, Yahoo, etc., if accessed *entirely*
 thru anonymizing proxies, from account setup on, be considered securely
 anonymous?

It depends on the anonymity of the anonymizing proxy, but with a robust
anonymizing proxy, which routed through several independent machines, I
see no reason why not.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Slashdot story on Oskar's employment

[Ian Clarke]

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/11/1736246mode=thread

Get ready for some counter-FUDding!

Oh, on the donations front:

Story was posted around 10:45am PST, we have had about 20 donations
since then (ie. in the last 10 minutes!).

For some fun, go to http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=donations
and reload periodically, we are getting a new one every few seconds!

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: Freenet MojoNation

[Ian Clarke]

On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 09:48:02PM +0900, Sam Joseph wrote:
 Ian Clarke wrote:
  On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 05:47:40PM +0900, Sam Joseph wrote:
   There is no analogy whatsoever. We're not talking about somebody
 getting
   a dog that happens to remind you of your experience.  We're talking
   about you being horribly mauled by dogs and somebody videoing that,
 and
   then distributing that video over the internet.  The two actions,
 your
   neighbour buying a dog, and your neighbour distributing images of
 you
   being savagely mauled by dogs are completely different activities,
 and I
   think many people would agree with me that they warranted completely
 
   different responses.
 
  Ok, so how would a video of you being distributed over the internet
 hurt
  you?
 
 Well, I'd say it can hurt me emotionally. 

I am sure that your neighbour buying a dog would hurt you emotionally
too if you were afraid of them.

 Clearly it can't hurt me in
 the direct physical sense that a hammer can.  I'd say the knowledge that
 people were busy enjoying watching me being mauled by dogs again and
 again could easily be as psychologically traumatic as the experience of
 being mauled by dogs.

And so the possibility that this might happen is sufficient to deny
people a guarantee of free speech?  Would it be different if the
motivation of people was not to enjoy you being mauled, but to educate
them as to how to treat dog-inflicted wounds?  If so, it is the
motivation of the viewer of the image that causes you pain, not the fact
that it is being distributed.  It is also worth pointing-out that a
video of you being mauled could probably be distributed completely
legally without your permission in many countries even without Freenet's
help.

 I mean I think we would both agree that being mauled by dogs can do far
 more than just physical damage.  Long after the physical wounds have
 healed, psychological wounds can persist, no?

True, but this is why I made my initial analogy with your neighbour
buying a dog.  Wouldn't it hurt to know that your neighbour had bought a
dog *purely* because he knew that you were afraid of dogs and wanted to
frighten you?  I am sure that might be even more painful than knowing
that people were distributing an image of you being mauled - yet does
that give you the right to prevent your neighbour from getting a pet?

 Right, but that's not a reason not to address the issue.  The crucial
 point is that with access to anonymity the person pursuing this course
 of action is not accountable for their behaviour.

My assertion is that the *direct* damage that can be done by someone
transmitting some information to someone else who wants it anonymously
is relatively limited, and that the price of being able to prevent such
communication is extremely high (namely censorship).  Now, if someone is
anonymous, and they transmit some misleading information, then it is the
receiver's fault for believing it, not the transmission mechanism's
fault for allowing it to be transmitted anonymously.

 Maybe the psychological trauma of the mauled by dogs, video available
 on the internet case doesn't make the point concretely enough; but if
 somebody destroys my marriage by distributing fake pictures of me having
 an affair would you seriously suggest that this person is not doing me
 any harm?

Of course they are doing you harm, but it is not a direct result of the
information being distributed anonymously, rather it is a direct result
of people believing untrustworthy information.
 
  Almost all censorship is retrospective, the only sure way to prevent
  such censorship is anonymity.  Anonymous speech is essential for free
  speech, this isn't a new idea.
 It may not be a new idea, but conversely I don't think it is something
 that is universally accepted either, i.e. that anonymity is necessary
 for free speech.  Another approach is to try and create a legislative
 framework that ensures free speech.  Sure it can be abused, but so can
 any system.

We have a legislative framework which tries to ensure free-speech, and
it has failed.  In many other countries institution of such a framework
is impossible since the government wouldn't allow it.  The whole premise
upon which Freenet is founded is that government's should not have the
power to prevent free speech (implying that they should not have the
responsibility of ensuring it).

 Systems which insure free electronic expression of ideas (arguably, a
 basic human right) are necessarily anonymizing.  This enables
 whistle-blowing.  But anonymity also leads to the problem Plato has
 Socrates describe with the fable of the ring of Gyges, which renders the
 wearer invisible: Many persons, when no longer held accountable, will
 abuse their freedoms to the harm of others.

As I said, the *direct* damage that can be achieved by permitting the
transmission of information between willing communicators, with
anonymity if they so-wish, is limited.

 I think the example of someone

Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-devl] Freegle v2.0 Beta now online

[Ian Clarke]

I found a bug already, see:

http://beta.freegle.org/phorum/read.php?f=1i=4t=3

Basically, after a submission, you are redirected to a bogus URL.

How fast is the machine that this is on?  Could it handle being
mentioned on the Freenet website (10,000 - 15,000 hits per day)?

Ian.

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 01:11:28AM +0200, Stefan Reich wrote:
 Whoops, you're quick, Ian.
 
 I planned on having a handful of people discover the worst bugs before I let
 the crowds rush in.
 
 Hell, whatever, come on in everybody... :-)
 
 Freesite maintainers - what I would be interested in is: is your site listed
 in beta.freegle.org? If not, I will try to find out why the crawler didn't
 find it (provided it is linked to from a freesite that _is_ listed).
 
 -Stefan
 
 PS: BTW, it's 0.2, not 2.0 (the open source way of release numbering, not
 the .com way :-p)
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:54 AM
 Subject: [freenet-devl] Freegle v2.0 Beta now online
 
 Check it out at http://beta.freegle.org/
 
 Ian.
 
 
 
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 Chat mailing list
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Re: [freenet-chat] Yet another damn 'permanence' proposal

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 01:34:22PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 why not add a property to every key that says: pls do not remove me
 from your cache unless you 1st try to republish me to freenet?

Because then a file would never get deleted, and the network would
simply fill up.

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Oskar Sandberg: Employee #1

[Ian Clarke]

As many of you will be aware, several months ago we set up a non-profit
corporation called Freenet Project Inc, the intention of which is to
support the development of Freenet (note that this is unrelated to
Uprizer Inc). We also started asking for donations on our website, and
the results have been impressive.  We have received almost $2000 in
donations over the past few months, and donations continue on a daily
basis.

One of the stated purposes of this money was to hire a full-time
programmer to work on Freenet.  We are extremely fortunate that Oskar
Sandberg has agreed to work full-time on Freenet this summer, supported
by $2500 from the non-profit funds.  Note that this is significantly
less than he could earn in the same amount of time as a professional
programmer.  Oskar has been the lynchpin of Freenet development for over
a year, and his full-time attention to the project will provide a
significant boost to development.  While the rate of donations should
comfortably accomodate this cost, Steven Starr (who helps me to run the
non-prof) and I have agreed to cover any short-fall should things go
horribly wrong.

As for the future, hopefully people's generosity towards the project
will continue, this may give us the opportunity to hire additional
people, or maybe extend Oskar's arrangement if that is acceptable to
him.

Anyone interested in donating to the project, or finding out more about
the Freenet Project non-profit, should take a look here:
   http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=donations

Ian Clarke
Founder  Coordinator,
Free Network Project.

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[freenet-chat] Re: I've designed a global file system, it will obsolete NFS, Gnutella, etc. I want to be assimilated by freenet!

[Ian Clarke]

Josh,

I have already sent you two emails - haven't you received them?

 I'm in a bit of a catch-22, in that I don't want to give the design out,
 unless I feel you're open to merging forces.

I therefore suggest you study the Freenet documentation so that you can
determine specifically where there is overlap.

 I believe we have the same goals, but different methods of getting there.
 Before I disclose the design, I simply need to know if you're open to
 developing a new network file system standard, the byproducts of which will
 be the accomplishment of the same goals as freenet, but a whole lot more.

Of course I am happy to improve Freenet, but until I see details of your
design I have no idea whether there is an opportunity.  You should know
that Freenet is the result of years of effort, and so while we are open
to new ideas, we are also very sceptical until we can see details.

Additionally, you should know that if your work is to be assimilated
into Freenet, you will not be able to enforce your patents.  As I am
sure you are aware, the Open Source community is not a big fan of
software patents.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] freenetproject.org is down

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 07:23:53PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 freenetproject.org is down and has been for a few hours

Yeah, one of Uprizer's gateways crashed, and for some reason the backup
didn't kick in.

It is fixed now,

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] FreeWeb DNS Standard

[Ian Clarke]

On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 01:41:47PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 (FreeWeb will also feature a means for users to nominate any number of 3rd
 party in-freenet key indexes used by 3rd-party DNS registrars, as a fallback
 for attacks on KSKs.)

Great!  I would encourage you to make FreeWeb integrate with existing
freenet mechanisms wherever possible.  So, for example, in-freenet
keyindexes could be presented to the end-user as DNS registrars if that
is your preferred FreeWeb terminology.

As a general principal, I would encourage you to make use of existing
mechanisms wherever possible so that FreeWeb remains as well-integrated
with the rest of Freenet as possible.

All the best,

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?

[Ian Clarke]

On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:17:12AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 Can someone please recommend the best Linux or Linuces for Freenet,
 and in general. (intel platform).

Both Debian and Redhat have few problems, you just install a JDK (I
prefer IBM's although it isn't OpenSource), and off you go.

Generally, Debian gives you more control, but Redhat is easier for the
newbie.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?

[Ian Clarke]

On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:49:58PM +0100, Leo Howell wrote:
 On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:39:05AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
   The Freenet package is part of Debian now
  
  Holy shit - what a coup!
 
 Not forgetting of course that Debian can be installed directly
 from Freenet, thanks to EOF.

Which does create a slight chicken and egg issue ;-)

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Attn - all freenet site authors - grab your FreeWeb domains now!

[Ian Clarke]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:28:16PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 When a site is published, a DNS record with the site's SSK public key and
 the site's domain name is written to this key index. A 'DNS daemon' harvests
 these records and writes them to another SSK - the FreeWeb DNS SSK, whose
 public key is hard-wired into the FreeWeb software. I trust that I'm not
 going to be asked to explain why the FreeWeb DNS SSK's private key is not
 also built into FreeWeb ;)

Ok, but this basically gives the controller of that private key (namely
you) the power to censor any sites which are linked to via your DNS
mechanism (by refusing to copy them into the private subspace).  The
system could also be shut down by spamming the submission key index.
This defeats the whole point of Freenet.

It is also totally unnescessary, if people want friendly ways
to access their sites in Freenet, why not use KSKs - that is what they
are there for?

This additional layer is unnescessary and encourages incompatabilities
since only FreeWeb users will be able to access sites which are
advertised with a .free domain - where as it would be trivial to make
FreeWeb 100% compatable with existing tools by abandoning this
mechanism.

Ian.

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Re: Child Porn (was: Re: [freenet-chat] Thoughts about Freenet)

[Ian Clarke]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:37:48PM +1200, David McNab wrote:
 The subject of child porn on Freenet throws me personally into an
 interesting position
 On one hand, I passionately share the sentiments of totally supporting free
 expression.
 But on the other hand, my wife and I jointly operate a respected
 psychotherapy practice, and are responsible for training and evaluation of
 other practitioners.

This is interesting.  My most solid argument when kiddieporn is brought
up is "why should we all be deprived of freedom of speech just because a
few might abuse it?", however my actual feelings are stronger.  I have
seen no evidence that the wide availability of child pornography leads
to more abuse of children, and have even heard arguments that it can
reduce actual abuse by giving these people a relatively harmless outlet
for their desires.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this...

Ian.

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