Re: CCIE Group in Singapore. [7:12253]
David, Why don't you save money and take the exam in the states? I believe the cost of you coming here can easily amount to you taking the test twice in the USA. As for the flogging, I am not too sure. Just make sure you don't bring gum in. Thats a one way ticket to the slammers. Kevin Ron Tan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... David, Don't worry it's my first too... if you're getting flogged, I be getting it as well.. ;-) Ron Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:39:12 -0400 From: David Schaer Subject: Re: CCIE Group in Singapore. [7:12253] Kevin, If I score too low should I expect to be flogged? Dave Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12353t=12253 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: RE: urgent question related to vtp [7:11687]
***VERBOSITY BIT IS SET*** Delete now if you are time challenged. Comments within and below. I have been struggling with the evil VTP also. ;-) I have a few questions. Is VTP required? Evil VTP. I love it. Yes, for the uninitiated, VTP can literally bring down an entire network if you are not careful. It has happened. To answer your question above, no it is not required in the strictest sense. Specifically, VTP can be set to transparent mode. You cannot completely turn VTP off, because to do so, would necessarily break the protocol's operation and segment your network into different VTP domains. You have a choice of three modes to use. They are VTP server, VTP client, and VTP transparent. Think of VTP transparent as the manual mode and VTP client and VTP server as semi- automatic mode. There is never full automation, because somebody still has to pull the trigger (in this case physically add, modify, or delete a VLAN). Officially, Cisco says that VTP functions in the following manner: 1. As a VTP server you can create, modify, and delete VLANs. You can also specify other VTP parameters such as VTP version, VTP pruning, MD5 password, etc. You also synchronize your VTP information with other VTP servers and clients. It's configuration is saved in some form of NVRAM. 2. As a VTP client, they are the same as the VTP server save for the fact that you cannot add, delete or modify VLANs or VLAN parameters:-) You can however synchronize with other VTP devices and forward VTP advertisements. Your VTP configuration is not saved in NVRAM. 3. A switch using VTP transparent can act just like a VTP server. It can add, modify, and delete VLANs. It cannot however synchronize with other VTP devices. It must however forward all VTP advertisements (lest it break VTP's operation). Cisco instructions regarding VLANs usually start with having you configure VTP, but do you need VTP? (assume a small network with few VLANs) As I mentioned previously, you cannot fully turn it off. I challenge you to do so. Go ahead and get on the console of your IOS based switch. If it is a CAT 2900XL or a CAT 3500XL, go into the vlan database configuration mode. if you are on an almost IOS based Catalyst 1900, go to global config and Type the following command: no vtp transparent See what happens. Do a sh vtp and see what mode you are in. If it reads VTP server, go back to global config and do a no vtp server. See what happens. I think you will find that it complains just a tad:-) So, to get to where I think you said you really wanted to go, you might want to set your VTP mode to transparent on all of your switches. If all of your switches happens to be 2 switches, it is no big deal. If all of your switches is 75 switches, that might be a little cumbersome. What will be even more cumbersome is when you have to add VLAN 78 to all 75 switches. That will be very fun - NOT:-) That is why VTP was created; namely to ease the administration of a large LAN switched network. Here's a design tip. Have a grand total of two VTP servers in any given VTP domain. One is designated as the primary and the other is the secondary. The primary is always used to configure VTP information unless it is down for maintenance. While down, the secondary is used, as long as the network did no get partitioned with the other switch being down. Make sure that the primary has its configuration revision number set to zero prior to entering the VTP domain(more later on this). Once the primary comes back up, it should synchronize with the secondary. The primary is then used again for VTP configuration. How does VTP interact with trunks, if at all? No Trunk = no VTP advertisements. Trunking is a mandatory part of VTP operation. I can configure a trunk to carry traffic for a subset of the VLANs that VTP advertises, can't I? Sure. You can prune user VLANs from trunks. Here's the catch. VTP advertisements are carried over the management VLAN. That's not one you would necessarily prune from a trunk. In many folks' networks, the management VLAN is VLAN 1. This can be changed if needed for security reasons. (not sure why I would want to, but I'm just confirming your point that VTP is misnamed, e.g. it is not a trunking protocol) In all fairness, they had to give it some name 8-) Let's see, we got this neat protocol that will keep all of the VLANs synchronized over the entire network. Let's call it VSP (VLAN synchronization protocol). That unfortunately doesn't speak to the transparent mode which does not synchronize. Hey, we need a trunk to make this thing work. Whaddya say we call it VLAN Trunking Protocol. If nothing else, at least the name will remind everybody what to do to make it work (get trunking up) -- yeah, that's the ticket, we'll call it VTP I don't know, but that could have possibly been a late night naming
Re: Cisco Certification Digest V2 #1447 (Out of the Office) [7:12356]
I will be out of the office until 7/30 please call Help Desk for any problems. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12356t=12356 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rate-limit(car filter) vs traffic-shape [7:12355]
Hi folks, Can anyone give a good explaination for the above? Mainly, what's the difference, and in which case would you use one or the other. I'm currently using car-filter now and it works great! But I'm just curious if I can make traffic-shape do the same function as rate-limit. For those that don't know, these are all interface commands. Thanks for any help. -Frank Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12355t=12355 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: catalyst 5000 rebooted [7:12101]
hi i have IOS 4.4(1) running on my catalyst switches here so the command show Uptime is 11 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes thats it nothing else i could have checked this dear. any other suggestions regardss Arun sharma Peter Slow wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... werd. (right on) -humboldt -Original Message- From: GNOME [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: catalyst 5000 rebooted [7:12101] Hi How about doing a show version to see the reason of last reboot Arun wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... hi we have catalyst 5000 in our organization and last week oneof our catalyst 5000 rebooted bu its own ...can anyboby tell me what could be the probabale cause or where one shoulb be looking for it ... how do i start looking for it .Please help this reboot has caused the services to be stopped for 15 minutes and it is really big issue for us why it happened ...i think i am totally stuck ..can anybody give a a start . Regards Arun Sharma Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12357t=12101 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Subject: RE: urgent question related to vtp [7:11687]
Word up!!! -Original Message- From: Paul Werner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14/07/01 07:29 Subject: Re: Subject: RE: urgent question related to vtp [7:11687] ***VERBOSITY BIT IS SET*** Delete now if you are time challenged. Comments within and below. I have been struggling with the evil VTP also. ;-) I have a few questions. Is VTP required? Evil VTP. I love it. Yes, for the uninitiated, VTP can literally bring down an entire network if you are not careful. It has happened. To answer your question above, no it is not required in the strictest sense. Specifically, VTP can be set to transparent mode. You cannot completely turn VTP off, because to do so, would necessarily break the protocol's operation and segment your network into different VTP domains. You have a choice of three modes to use. They are VTP server, VTP client, and VTP transparent. Think of VTP transparent as the manual mode and VTP client and VTP server as semi- automatic mode. There is never full automation, because somebody still has to pull the trigger (in this case physically add, modify, or delete a VLAN). Officially, Cisco says that VTP functions in the following manner: 1. As a VTP server you can create, modify, and delete VLANs. You can also specify other VTP parameters such as VTP version, VTP pruning, MD5 password, etc. You also synchronize your VTP information with other VTP servers and clients. It's configuration is saved in some form of NVRAM. 2. As a VTP client, they are the same as the VTP server save for the fact that you cannot add, delete or modify VLANs or VLAN parameters:-) You can however synchronize with other VTP devices and forward VTP advertisements. Your VTP configuration is not saved in NVRAM. 3. A switch using VTP transparent can act just like a VTP server. It can add, modify, and delete VLANs. It cannot however synchronize with other VTP devices. It must however forward all VTP advertisements (lest it break VTP's operation). Cisco instructions regarding VLANs usually start with having you configure VTP, but do you need VTP? (assume a small network with few VLANs) As I mentioned previously, you cannot fully turn it off. I challenge you to do so. Go ahead and get on the console of your IOS based switch. If it is a CAT 2900XL or a CAT 3500XL, go into the vlan database configuration mode. if you are on an almost IOS based Catalyst 1900, go to global config and Type the following command: no vtp transparent See what happens. Do a sh vtp and see what mode you are in. If it reads VTP server, go back to global config and do a no vtp server. See what happens. I think you will find that it complains just a tad:-) So, to get to where I think you said you really wanted to go, you might want to set your VTP mode to transparent on all of your switches. If all of your switches happens to be 2 switches, it is no big deal. If all of your switches is 75 switches, that might be a little cumbersome. What will be even more cumbersome is when you have to add VLAN 78 to all 75 switches. That will be very fun - NOT:-) That is why VTP was created; namely to ease the administration of a large LAN switched network. Here's a design tip. Have a grand total of two VTP servers in any given VTP domain. One is designated as the primary and the other is the secondary. The primary is always used to configure VTP information unless it is down for maintenance. While down, the secondary is used, as long as the network did no get partitioned with the other switch being down. Make sure that the primary has its configuration revision number set to zero prior to entering the VTP domain(more later on this). Once the primary comes back up, it should synchronize with the secondary. The primary is then used again for VTP configuration. How does VTP interact with trunks, if at all? No Trunk = no VTP advertisements. Trunking is a mandatory part of VTP operation. I can configure a trunk to carry traffic for a subset of the VLANs that VTP advertises, can't I? Sure. You can prune user VLANs from trunks. Here's the catch. VTP advertisements are carried over the management VLAN. That's not one you would necessarily prune from a trunk. In many folks' networks, the management VLAN is VLAN 1. This can be changed if needed for security reasons. (not sure why I would want to, but I'm just confirming your point that VTP is misnamed, e.g. it is not a trunking protocol) In all fairness, they had to give it some name 8-) Let's see, we got this neat protocol that will keep all of the VLANs synchronized over the entire network. Let's call it VSP (VLAN synchronization protocol). That unfortunately doesn't speak to the transparent mode which does not synchronize. Hey, we need a trunk to make this thing work. Whaddya say we call it VLAN Trunking Protocol. If nothing else, at least the name will remind
Book Donation [7:12359]
Hello I am beginning to start my preperation for CCNA.So please do guide me about something relating to the subject.If u have some material online like good dumps , or u wanna donate soom books please do mail me back , which would certainly be helpful in my preperation for the exam. If u have some suggestion please do drop in a mail. Thanks Shan Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12359t=12359 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
redundant MSFC synchronization problem [7:12360]
Hi, I am facing a weird problem with the redundant MSFC card. We have three subnets all configured in a single vlan.192.168.1.0, 192.168.2.0 and 192.168.3.0 The MSFC is running OSPF and the 192.168.0.0 network is being advertised. If both the MSFC's are enabled ( i.e. module 15 and module 16 are enabled) one subnet (192.168.2.0) uses MSFC1 as the primary module whereas the other two subnets (192.168.1.0 and 192.168.3.0) use the MSFC2 as the primary subnet. If I telnet from the 192.168.3.0 subnet to the MSFC IP then the sh ip route command displays only the directly connected routes. If I telnet to the MSFC IP from the other subnets I can view all the OSPF learnt subnets as well as the directly connected subnets. If I make any changes in the MSFC1 configuration, the same does not get replicated in the MSFC2 configuration and viceversa. The IOS version on the MSFC is 12.0(3) XE2 and the CatOS version on the sup1A is 5.3(2) CSX The output of the sh fm features command: MSFC15#sh fm features Designated MSFC: 1 Non-designated MSFC:2 Redundancy Status: designated Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards ... Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM and Audio-Books from http://www.planetmonline.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12360t=12360 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Comment on Boson's v3.83 CCIE Written Practice Test [7:12361]
Dear All, Would someone pls. comment on the quality and effectiveness of the Boson's v3.83 CCIE Written Practice test ? Any other relevant study and preparation tips would be much appreciated. Regards, Zahid Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12361t=12361 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Group in Singapore. [7:12253]
Kevin, My ticket on United only ran me $800 RT and scheduling in Singapore cut off over four months of additional wait time. To a certain extent, I wonder if the proctor's reputation is nothing more than an urban legend. Ultimately, if we know this stuff we should pass, otherwise more power to him for failling us and sending us packing. Dave Kevin Schwantz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... David, Why don't you save money and take the exam in the states? I believe the cost of you coming here can easily amount to you taking the test twice in the USA. As for the flogging, I am not too sure. Just make sure you don't bring gum in. Thats a one way ticket to the slammers. Kevin Ron Tan wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... David, Don't worry it's my first too... if you're getting flogged, I be getting it as well.. ;-) Ron Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:39:12 -0400 From: David Schaer Subject: Re: CCIE Group in Singapore. [7:12253] Kevin, If I score too low should I expect to be flogged? Dave Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12362t=12253 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
You know what this may mean .This may mean that the days of long 7 month wait times are over and we might be able to get lab dates sooner. Comments are invited on this prespective. Raul F. Fernandez wrote: It seems very promising. I look forward to taking the lab. Raul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12363t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New format for CCIE exams (written qualification) [7:12364]
Hi Group, Reading about the changes in store for the CCIE program I have a question. The following sentence suggests that the CCIE written exam will change as well, that much is clear but what I don't understand is how and when the written will change. Will the exam still be 100 multiple choice questions with a two-hour time limit or will you now have to cable some gear and produce an addressing plan/diagram? Also, does the new qualification exam begin on October 1 as well? The new CCIE format will move these basic tasks into an extended qualification exam and Cisco's other certifications, thus freeing the candidate's time for the more advanced CCIE skills. Maybe I'm missing something but I could use a little clarity on this one. Thanks, Ray -- Ray Lovett Network Engineer The Richards Group Dallas . Texas . 75231 === p : 214 . 891 . 5841 f : 214 . 891 . 3556 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12364t=12364 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
I think this also means that you are going to see the prestige of the certification diminish. Part of the prestige is that only a few people in the world have the certification. If say 80- 85% of people taking the exam pass then increasing the number of people taking the exam will increase the amount of people that pass (more people will be certified at a faster rate). Part of the reason CCIE are paid so much is that there are so few out there. From a supply and demand perspective does this not decrease the monetary advantage of attaining the certification for the individual. For Cisco this is great ( more people being certified in their equipment at a higher level). This comes at an especially opportune time when the competition is beginning to creep up on them. What better way to market yourself than to say look at the amount of highly trained individuals out there who can support my equipment. John Hardman wrote: Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12366t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
I dont believe its going to get any easier from what I understand. Also, it works your troubleshooting skill throught the Lab. I think this is good. I dont think you have to worry about the prestige diminishing. Raul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of anand ghody Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I think this also means that you are going to see the prestige of the certification diminish. Part of the prestige is that only a few people in the world have the certification. If say 80- 85% of people taking the exam pass then increasing the number of people taking the exam will increase the amount of people that pass (more people will be certified at a faster rate). Part of the reason CCIE are paid so much is that there are so few out there. From a supply and demand perspective does this not decrease the monetary advantage of attaining the certification for the individual. For Cisco this is great ( more people being certified in their equipment at a higher level). This comes at an especially opportune time when the competition is beginning to creep up on them. What better way to market yourself than to say look at the amount of highly trained individuals out there who can support my equipment. John Hardman wrote: Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12367t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
L2TP networks [7:12368]
Hi all Is it possible for L2TP tunneling go through and terminate at different AS ? Say, I'm in Hongkong and want to connect my branch at Singapore I dial in to LAC UUnet (AS 700) at Hongkong and terminate l2tp tunnel at Singapore using Singtel (AS 781). Thanks for your attention. Thanks Jaka Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12368t=12368 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
I do not think Cisco wishes to have an exclusive elite of highly paid individuals which form part of an club. What Cisco surely wants is a group of highly certified individuals that can support their products (as per the comments of another poster). Cisco are not in the business of creating elite clubs but like all big business making money. The Certification System and tracks is there for Cisco to validate their products and systems and to beat off the competition. I think that in the future the mere possession of CCIE will not guarantee riches but a spread of Certifications, Cisco, Microsoft, Nortel, Checkpointmight. Work harder you slaves and for more masters! Having just gone through Windows 2000 I cannot wait for XP.not! K - Original Message - From: Raul F. Fernandez To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: RE: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I dont believe its going to get any easier from what I understand. Also, it works your troubleshooting skill throught the Lab. I think this is good. I dont think you have to worry about the prestige diminishing. Raul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of anand ghody Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I think this also means that you are going to see the prestige of the certification diminish. Part of the prestige is that only a few people in the world have the certification. If say 80- 85% of people taking the exam pass then increasing the number of people taking the exam will increase the amount of people that pass (more people will be certified at a faster rate). Part of the reason CCIE are paid so much is that there are so few out there. From a supply and demand perspective does this not decrease the monetary advantage of attaining the certification for the individual. For Cisco this is great ( more people being certified in their equipment at a higher level). This comes at an especially opportune time when the competition is beginning to creep up on them. What better way to market yourself than to say look at the amount of highly trained individuals out there who can support my equipment. John Hardman wrote: Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12369t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: L2TP networks [7:12368]
Is their not a problem at the Singapore end with the large Gov. use of Proxies and weeding out of web content? K - Original Message - From: jakasemboeng To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: L2TP networks [7:12368] Hi all Is it possible for L2TP tunneling go through and terminate at different AS ? Say, I'm in Hongkong and want to connect my branch at Singapore I dial in to LAC UUnet (AS 700) at Hongkong and terminate l2tp tunnel at Singapore using Singtel (AS 781). Thanks for your attention. Thanks Jaka Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12370t=12368 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FWD: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
Just popped up on alt.cert angelfire.com/my/no1daylab/new_format.html let the flames begin... -- Original Message -- From: hal9001 Reply-To: hal9001 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:49:58 -0400 I do not think Cisco wishes to have an exclusive elite of highly paid individuals which form part of an club. What Cisco surely wants is a group of highly certified individuals that can support their products (as per the comments of another poster). Cisco are not in the business of creating elite clubs but like all big business making money. The Certification System and tracks is there for Cisco to validate their products and systems and to beat off the competition. I think that in the future the mere possession of CCIE will not guarantee riches but a spread of Certifications, Cisco, Microsoft, Nortel, Checkpointmight. Work harder you slaves and for more masters! Having just gone through Windows 2000 I cannot wait for XP.not! K - Original Message - From: Raul F. Fernandez To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: RE: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I dont believe its going to get any easier from what I understand. Also, it works your troubleshooting skill throught the Lab. I think this is good. I dont think you have to worry about the prestige diminishing. Raul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of anand ghody Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I think this also means that you are going to see the prestige of the certification diminish. Part of the prestige is that only a few people in the world have the certification. If say 80- 85% of people taking the exam pass then increasing the number of people taking the exam will increase the amount of people that pass (more people will be certified at a faster rate). Part of the reason CCIE are paid so much is that there are so few out there. From a supply and demand perspective does this not decrease the monetary advantage of attaining the certification for the individual. For Cisco this is great ( more people being certified in their equipment at a higher level). This comes at an especially opportune time when the competition is beginning to creep up on them. What better way to market yourself than to say look at the amount of highly trained individuals out there who can support my equipment. John Hardman wrote: Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12371t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: L2TP networks [7:12368]
ya i think it is possible because routing in the core will take care of it.Also u can configure ur LAC and LNS with diffeent AS numbers with out any problem. --- jakasemboeng wrote: Hi all Is it possible for L2TP tunneling go through and terminate at different AS ? Say, I'm in Hongkong and want to connect my branch at Singapore I dial in to LAC UUnet (AS 700) at Hongkong and terminate l2tp tunnel at Singapore using Singtel (AS 781). Thanks for your attention. Thanks Jaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Shahid Muhammad Shafi Network Engineer Level(3) Communications Inc. MS(CU)BSEE(GIKI),MCSE+I/MCSE(Win2K),CNA,CCNA,CCNP Please help feed hungry people worldwide http://www.hungersite.com/ A small thing each of us can do to help others less fortunate than ourselves __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12372t=12368 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
, that's neat. - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers To: Sent: Saturday, 14 July, 2001 16:05 Subject: FWD: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] Just popped up on alt.cert angelfire.com/my/no1daylab/new_format.html let the flames begin... -- Original Message -- From: hal9001 Reply-To: hal9001 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:49:58 -0400 I do not think Cisco wishes to have an exclusive elite of highly paid individuals which form part of an club. What Cisco surely wants is a group of highly certified individuals that can support their products (as per the comments of another poster). Cisco are not in the business of creating elite clubs but like all big business making money. The Certification System and tracks is there for Cisco to validate their products and systems and to beat off the competition. I think that in the future the mere possession of CCIE will not guarantee riches but a spread of Certifications, Cisco, Microsoft, Nortel, Checkpointmight. Work harder you slaves and for more masters! Having just gone through Windows 2000 I cannot wait for XP.not! K Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12373t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone studying for CCIE in Pittsburgh Area? [7:12374]
Let me know. Edward * DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the named addressee. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any information contained therein by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately by returning the e-mail to the originator. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12374t=12374 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN Help [7:12365]
Hi, I am pretty new so please be patient. I am wearing my flame retardant suit. I am trying to configure my ISDN BR. I am running a Cisco 804. Everything connects just fine. I can ping the inside interface on the router, the outside interface (dialer) which get an IP address from my ISP. I can ping the interfaces of my nodes on the LAN. I authenticate to the ISP Radius server. From the router everything seems to resolve just fine but from my inside network ( I run NAT) I can only ping the router interfaces. I can not ping anything beyond my outside interface. I know I must be missing something basic but I just can't figure it out. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dave T Here is my sh run from the router. Current configuration: ! version 12.0 no service pad service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname backbone_r1 ! enable secret 5 x enable password ! dial-peer voice 1 pots no call-waiting ring 0 port 1 destination-pattern xx ! pots country US ip subnet-zero ! ip domain-name uswest.net ip name-server 206.196.128.1 isdn switch-type basic-ni ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 172.16.0.2 255.255.0.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside ! interface BRI0 ip address negotiated no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside encapsulation ppp bandwidth 64 dialer rotary-group 0 dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-ni isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn incoming-voice modem ! interface Dialer0 ip address negotiated no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside ip rip send version 1 ip rip receive version 1 encapsulation ppp bandwidth 64 keepalive 32767 dialer in-band dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer string 3032541488 dialer string 3032541186 dialer hold-queue 10 dialer load-threshold 10 outbound dialer-group 1 ppp authentication pap callin ppp pap sent-username xxx password xxx ppp multilink ! router rip router rip network 10.0.0.0 network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.0.0 ! ip nat inside source list 1 interface BRI0 overload ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Dialer0 ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit dialer-list 1 protocol clns permit dialer-list 1 protocol netbios permit ! line con 0 transport input none stopbits 1 line vty 0 4 password login ! end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12365t=12365 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: colt link is not working - [7:12352]
My colleague sent Cisco an email asking where the link had gone- Cisco advised that we should go elsewhere for training/certification links and PAY for the practice questions. The COLT questions have been permanently taken off the website for CCO users. I believe only Cisco employees can use it. HTH, Alana azhar mumtaz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Can anyone please tell me what is the exact URL for using COLT testing now because the previous URL http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/colt/ColtLogin.pl is not working. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Azhar Mumtaz. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12376t=12352 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
I was *so* worried about taking this test. I had been hearing from numerous people how hard it was so I did nothing but cram for the last two weeks. Even after that I still did not feel ready, knowing that there were going to be numerous questions on ATM, OSPF, BGP, IS-IS, SRB, LANE, NAT, Policy Routing, Redistribution, etc. Well, the worrying was for nothing. I passed with a 92%! However, I think that's because I was overprepared for the specific questions I received. I know that each test pulls from a pool of 300 or so questions, but I think I got about 80 of the easy ones. Seriously, I thought that more in-depth knowledge was required to take the CCNP tests. For many of the topics I listed above, I didn't receive a single question! What gives?? With that said, some of the questions were difficult, but only because they were the sort that if you didn't already know it, it was tough to guess. The SRB, token ring, OSPF, BGP, and LANE questions were very basic. Anyone with a solid introduction to them and a good memory would be able to ace all of those topics. A few months ago I got a subscription to CertificationZone and I'm very glad I did. I found the real test to be much easier than their practice tests. If you get a subscription and can pass three or four of those exams, you're probably going to be disappointed in the difficulty of the real exam. But that's a good thing! That just means that you'll be very prepared. I may have just gotten lucky with the questions, though. I don't want to make it sound easy, it wasn't. The particular questions just weren't as difficult as I was planning for. I was expecting WWIII and got a minor border skirmish with a small third-world country. :-) I guess that's why they call this a qualification exam. The exceptionally super hard part is yet to come. I see that they've announced the new lab format and now I'm wondering if I should schedule the lab now and plan on taking the two-day version in March of 2002 or so, or should I wait until after Oct. 1st and possibly get the one-day version sooner? Hmm... food for thought. Thanks to all who have helped me so far! (Howard, Priscilla, Chuck, Pamela, Stogieman, Peter, and everyone else I'm forgetting at the moment) I'm now going to go eat dinner with my wife and then sleep for the rest of the weekend! Regards, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12377t=12377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: redundant MSFC synchronization problem [7:12360]
You need at least 12.1(3a)E4 for high availabilty on the MSFC's. http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/cc/pd/si/casi/ca6000/tech/hafc6_wp.htm Jeff cisco_fun wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I am facing a weird problem with the redundant MSFC card. We have three subnets all configured in a single vlan.192.168.1.0, 192.168.2.0 and 192.168.3.0 The MSFC is running OSPF and the 192.168.0.0 network is being advertised. If both the MSFC's are enabled ( i.e. module 15 and module 16 are enabled) one subnet (192.168.2.0) uses MSFC1 as the primary module whereas the other two subnets (192.168.1.0 and 192.168.3.0) use the MSFC2 as the primary subnet. If I telnet from the 192.168.3.0 subnet to the MSFC IP then the sh ip route command displays only the directly connected routes. If I telnet to the MSFC IP from the other subnets I can view all the OSPF learnt subnets as well as the directly connected subnets. If I make any changes in the MSFC1 configuration, the same does not get replicated in the MSFC2 configuration and viceversa. The IOS version on the MSFC is 12.0(3) XE2 and the CatOS version on the sup1A is 5.3(2) CSX The output of the sh fm features command: MSFC15#sh fm features Designated MSFC: 1 Non-designated MSFC:2 Redundancy Status: designated Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Regards ... Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM and Audio-Books from http://www.planetmonline.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12379t=12360 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New format for CCIE exams (written qualification) [7:12364]
Here is my advice to anyone who is even considering the CCIE track in the near future: The current exam is fairly well document; there are books, papers, websites, and of course, the boson exams. The new exam is just that, a new exam full of unknowns. I'm sure it too will become well researched, but for the first six months everyone is going to be in uncharted waters with no map to get to shore. As someone who took the CCNP exams when they were first offered, I know what it's like to sail without a map, trust me. In its statement Cisco says that those who pass the existing exam will not be required to redo the written. If I were even planning to jump on the written in the next year, my recommendation would be to take advantage of this time window to cram my brain full and take the current exam while you can. There should be plenty of time to take a hack at this before the beta exam period finished on the new test. If you need help finding the right materials to study; just look in the archives. Grab a couple of the study guides, buy the notes from ccbootcamp, download the bosons, and absolutely analyze the archives of this group like it's the Rosetta stone. Just my $.02 -Original Message- From: Ray Lovett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New format for CCIE exams (written qualification) [7:12364] Hi Group, Reading about the changes in store for the CCIE program I have a question. The following sentence suggests that the CCIE written exam will change as well, that much is clear but what I don't understand is how and when the written will change. Will the exam still be 100 multiple choice questions with a two-hour time limit or will you now have to cable some gear and produce an addressing plan/diagram? Also, does the new qualification exam begin on October 1 as well? The new CCIE format will move these basic tasks into an extended qualification exam and Cisco's other certifications, thus freeing the candidate's time for the more advanced CCIE skills. Maybe I'm missing something but I could use a little clarity on this one. Thanks, Ray -- Ray Lovett Network Engineer The Richards Group Dallas . Texas . 75231 === p : 214 . 891 . 5841 f : 214 . 891 . 3556 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12380t=12364 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OSPF - Cool + an area question [7:11861]
from a coolness perspective, I agree! I just got my lab going for the first time, configured basic eigrp and started looking at what is going on. It's fun! Symon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ole Drews Jensen Sent: 11 July 2001 03:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OSPF - Cool + an area question [7:11861] This is cool! I just love to read about a lot of boring stuff in a book, sit down and try it, and then find out that everything I just read was actually true, and that it makes perfect sense. I just took three of my routers and one by one enabled OSPF on one interface at a time, and after each configuration, I went ahead and did a 'show ip ospf int' to see what actually was going on, and was happy to see that it was what I had expected to happen, because I had just read about it in my book. That's the fun part of studying - I wish that would have been the same case with all the M$ stuff I studied years ago :-( Anyway, I do have one OSPF question to those of you who have been out there messing with it many times: What's the most common/practical method when designing the OSPF network. Is it to give the area a single decimal value (n), or one that matches and/or looks like an IP address (a.b.c.d), which could be the same as the network? Also, what method does Cisco prefer if any over the other? Thanks for comments on this, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12382t=11861 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IGX 8400 [7:12383]
Hi all, Could you please post links to good Cisco IGX presnetation material or technology overview. I mean easy learning and general. Its very important, cisco website is no help. Thanks a million Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12383t=12383 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dialer idle-timeout [7:12256]
The traffic that matches the dialer-list defined initates the call and also causes idle timer to get reset. If the idle timer got reset for any traffic (interesting and uninteresting) then if the interesting traffic went away but other traffic existed then the uninteresting traffic would keep line up. Depending on how the ISDN is billed this could cause the bill to be higher, etc. --- Burnham, Chris wrote: I am currently working throught the Caslow , Pavlichenko Cisco Certification Book I have a query on page 163 that you guy's and girl's maybe able to help me with. It states that the DDR connection is maintained as long as interesting traffic is transferred over the connection before the dialer-idle-timeout occurs.? Is this correct?? I was alway's under the impression that the interesting traffic only determined what brought up the link once the link was up it would stay up regardless of traffic type crossing the ISDN link I would like to hear your opinions Chris Burnham, Systems Engineer, Delphis Consulting Plc. Tel: +(44) 020 7916 0200 Mob: +(44) 07799403576 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee and are confidential. They may also be legally privileged. Copyright in them is reserved by Delphis Consulting PLC [Delphis] and they must not be disclosed to, or used by, anyone other than the addressee. If you have received this e-mail and any accompanying files in error, you may not copy, publish or use them in any way and you should delete them from your system and notify us immediately.E-mails are not secure. Delphis does not accept responsibility for changes to e-mails that occur after they have been sent. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of Delphis. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Erick Bergquist http://erick.bergquist.org CCNP+Security, NNCSE __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12384t=12256 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IGX 8400 [7:12383]
check these out-- http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/ig8400/ http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/ig8400/prodlit/index.shtml zee k wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, Could you please post links to good Cisco IGX presnetation material or technology overview. I mean easy learning and general. Its very important, cisco website is no help. Thanks a million Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12385t=12383 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
I don't suppose any of you geeks on this list have ever studied any economics? ;- The laws of supply and demand are still in effect. Consider: 1) there are tens of thousands of us wannabees in the pipeline, drawn because of the anticipated salaries and other benefits the certification permits. lab format change or no, how many CCIE's will there be in five years, given current award rates? by my estimate well over 12,000. 2) there are powerful business advantages to consulting firms with enough CCIE's on staff to meet the highest Cisco Partner level. 3) it has been difficult for companies to obtain and / or retain CCIE's 4) it is expensive to set up and run testing facilities. in times of economic slowdown, particularly for a company whose stock has lost 75% of its value in the last year, Cisco management has other priorities. 5) Cisco is a marketing company first and foremost. Their sole interest is in selling product 6) Cisco is under pressure from its channel to do something to help the channel obtain the highest partnership status. 7) the dirty unspoken truth is that everyone - Cisco, the channel partners, customers - want something to happen to limit the salaries CCIE's currently demand. The only way that can happen is if there is a surplus of CCIE's in the marketplace. CCIE's and CCIE candidates, of course, hope otherwise. There is nothing that can be done to stop this train. thousands in the pipeline. thousands want their turn on the gravy train. the situation has occurred because of a shortage of skilled labor. supply and demand. salaries rose. with thousands drawn into the game, salaries will level out, or even decline. when I was in high school, the gospel of the day was that a college degree was the ticket to the good life. by the time I got my degree, it was not unheard of to find ads for people with college degrees who could lift 50 pounds. one last comment to end this long and ponderous post. I'm one of those whose next lab attempt will be the one day format. so when I pass I will be one of the CCIE with the *. NOT. the CCIE will remain as valuable as the person who wears it. Mr. Employer - mediocre employees are a dime a dozen. Outstanding employees are invaluable. In the end, it is your skill set, your comportment, your insight, and the value you bring to a situation that gives value. Not a 2 day versus a 1 day lab. best wishes to everyone in their journey to the top. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of anand ghody Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I think this also means that you are going to see the prestige of the certification diminish. Part of the prestige is that only a few people in the world have the certification. If say 80- 85% of people taking the exam pass then increasing the number of people taking the exam will increase the amount of people that pass (more people will be certified at a faster rate). Part of the reason CCIE are paid so much is that there are so few out there. From a supply and demand perspective does this not decrease the monetary advantage of attaining the certification for the individual. For Cisco this is great ( more people being certified in their equipment at a higher level). This comes at an especially opportune time when the competition is beginning to creep up on them. What better way to market yourself than to say look at the amount of highly trained individuals out there who can support my equipment. John Hardman wrote: Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12386t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Help [7:12365]
After a quick look it appears that your BRI0 interface (and dialer0?) should be set as ip nat outside, not inside. Neil Schneider dt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I am pretty new so please be patient. I am wearing my flame retardant suit. I am trying to configure my ISDN BR. I am running a Cisco 804. Everything connects just fine. I can ping the inside interface on the router, the outside interface (dialer) which get an IP address from my ISP. I can ping the interfaces of my nodes on the LAN. I authenticate to the ISP Radius server. From the router everything seems to resolve just fine but from my inside network ( I run NAT) I can only ping the router interfaces. I can not ping anything beyond my outside interface. I know I must be missing something basic but I just can't figure it out. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dave T Here is my sh run from the router. Current configuration: ! version 12.0 no service pad service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname backbone_r1 ! enable secret 5 x enable password ! dial-peer voice 1 pots no call-waiting ring 0 port 1 destination-pattern xx ! pots country US ip subnet-zero ! ip domain-name uswest.net ip name-server 206.196.128.1 isdn switch-type basic-ni ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 172.16.0.2 255.255.0.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside ! interface BRI0 ip address negotiated no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside encapsulation ppp bandwidth 64 dialer rotary-group 0 dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-ni isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn incoming-voice modem ! interface Dialer0 ip address negotiated no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside ip rip send version 1 ip rip receive version 1 encapsulation ppp bandwidth 64 keepalive 32767 dialer in-band dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer string 3032541488 dialer string 3032541186 dialer hold-queue 10 dialer load-threshold 10 outbound dialer-group 1 ppp authentication pap callin ppp pap sent-username xxx password xxx ppp multilink ! router rip router rip network 10.0.0.0 network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.0.0 ! ip nat inside source list 1 interface BRI0 overload ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Dialer0 ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit dialer-list 1 protocol clns permit dialer-list 1 protocol netbios permit ! line con 0 transport input none stopbits 1 line vty 0 4 password login ! end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12375t=12365 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN Help [7:12365]
This happened to me once and turning off fast switching on the BRI interface made it work. command is 'no ip route-cache'. I am not sure if that will solve your problem but give it a shot. I also notice that you are routing for network 10.0.0.0 and 192.168.0.0 but do not see any interfaces in those networks. You can probably remove those from the config. On your dialer-list, unless you want the line to stay up all the time, you may want to narrow your definition of interesting traffic. HTH-Dennis dt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I am pretty new so please be patient. I am wearing my flame retardant suit. I am trying to configure my ISDN BR. I am running a Cisco 804. Everything connects just fine. I can ping the inside interface on the router, the outside interface (dialer) which get an IP address from my ISP. I can ping the interfaces of my nodes on the LAN. I authenticate to the ISP Radius server. From the router everything seems to resolve just fine but from my inside network ( I run NAT) I can only ping the router interfaces. I can not ping anything beyond my outside interface. I know I must be missing something basic but I just can't figure it out. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dave T Here is my sh run from the router. Current configuration: ! version 12.0 no service pad service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname backbone_r1 ! enable secret 5 x enable password ! dial-peer voice 1 pots no call-waiting ring 0 port 1 destination-pattern xx ! pots country US ip subnet-zero ! ip domain-name uswest.net ip name-server 206.196.128.1 isdn switch-type basic-ni ! ! ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 172.16.0.2 255.255.0.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside ! interface BRI0 ip address negotiated no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside encapsulation ppp bandwidth 64 dialer rotary-group 0 dialer-group 1 isdn switch-type basic-ni isdn spid1 isdn spid2 isdn incoming-voice modem ! interface Dialer0 ip address negotiated no ip directed-broadcast ip nat inside ip rip send version 1 ip rip receive version 1 encapsulation ppp bandwidth 64 keepalive 32767 dialer in-band dialer idle-timeout 300 dialer string 3032541488 dialer string 3032541186 dialer hold-queue 10 dialer load-threshold 10 outbound dialer-group 1 ppp authentication pap callin ppp pap sent-username xxx password xxx ppp multilink ! router rip router rip network 10.0.0.0 network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.0.0 ! ip nat inside source list 1 interface BRI0 overload ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Dialer0 ! dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit dialer-list 1 protocol clns permit dialer-list 1 protocol netbios permit ! line con 0 transport input none stopbits 1 line vty 0 4 password login ! end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12381t=12365 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: RE: urgent question related to vtp [7:11687]
Thanks, Paul! OK, I don't really think VTP is evil. I can definitely understand the problem that it solves. I have it working now. I have one switch set to client and one set to server, which works fine. I didn't think I could use client on a Cat 1900 because the documentation says you can't configure client. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/28201900/1928v9x/ee_scg/1vlans.htm#xtocid288056 vtp trunk pruning-disable 10 50 I think the effect of this was to have only VLAN1 span both switches. The effect is that Pruning of 10 and 50 are Disabled so that they DO span the trunk. They should have been spanning it anyway, though. Somehow, I am still wondering if you got a trunk established. Yes I had a trunk. Show trunk a said it was on and using ISL. Once the network was stable I was able to remove the command and all is working, so now so I'm not sure it really was the problem. But, there was something funny going on, that's for sure. I couldn't see multicasts with my Sniffer on the monitor port either and now I can. Regarding VLAN 1, I have one more question. If you give a switch an IP address, that address is part of VLAN 1, right? The problem with that is that you may not have any other ports that are part of VLAN 1, since VLAN 1 is the management VLAN generally. So how do you ping or SNMP the switch then? What is considered best practice for this? Thanks again. I walked into this thinking, what could be so hard about configuring data-link-layer devices? Hah! Clark and Hamilton devote 900 pages to it! ;-) It took me a whole day to get two switches, VLANs, DISL, VTP, trunking, STP, and load sharing working correctly. Give me a router any day! ;-) Seriously, I think my problems all started with not using VTP correctly from the start. Thanks for all the advice on it. Priscilla Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12387t=11687 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I want HP Openview [7:12298]
You might try the HP Openview Website, under See.Try.Buy There used to be a downloadable eval of Network Node Manager. http://www.openview.hp.com enjoy Tim Medley - CCNP+Voice Network Architect VoIP Group iReadyWorld -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Bedell Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I want HP Openview [7:12298] Does anybody know where I can download a free versiion of HP OPenview. I have never used it, but I want to start getting experience. Thanks. Mark Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12388t=12298 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NP-2T Serial Card For 4000 series router for sale!! Cheap! [7:12389]
Hello, I have an NP-2T Serial Card for sale (2 Serial Ports), it is an add-on card available for the 4000, 4500, and 4700 series of Cisco routers. I will sell it for $100.00. If you are interested please e-mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just wanted to give everyone a shot at it before I place it on ebay. I handle all my payments through Paypal, so if your interested please contact me. Thanks, JC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12389t=12389 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 Port Serial Card For Sale (4000 series) Cheap! [7:12390]
Hello, I have an NP-2T Serial Card for sale (2 Serial Ports), it is an add-on card available for the 4000, 4500, and 4700 series of Cisco routers. I will sell it for $100.00. If you are interested please e-mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just wanted to give everyone a shot at it before I place it on ebay. I handle all my payments through Paypal, so if your interested please contact me. Thanks, JC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12390t=12390 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
Hearty congrats, John... go have a few brew-ski's and relax (let your wife drive, of course :-) ...that's a great score, and you'll have your opportunity (just like the rest of us) to do your lab soon enough! -e- John Neiberger wrote: I was *so* worried about taking this test. I had been hearing from numerous people how hard it was so I did nothing but cram for the last two weeks. Even after that I still did not feel ready, knowing that there were going to be numerous questions on ATM, OSPF, BGP, IS-IS, SRB, LANE, NAT, Policy Routing, Redistribution, etc. Well, the worrying was for nothing. I passed with a 92%! However, I think that's because I was overprepared for the specific questions I received. I know that each test pulls from a pool of 300 or so questions, but I think I got about 80 of the easy ones. Seriously, I thought that more in-depth knowledge was required to take the CCNP tests. For many of the topics I listed above, I didn't receive a single question! What gives?? With that said, some of the questions were difficult, but only because they were the sort that if you didn't already know it, it was tough to guess. The SRB, token ring, OSPF, BGP, and LANE questions were very basic. Anyone with a solid introduction to them and a good memory would be able to ace all of those topics. A few months ago I got a subscription to CertificationZone and I'm very glad I did. I found the real test to be much easier than their practice tests. If you get a subscription and can pass three or four of those exams, you're probably going to be disappointed in the difficulty of the real exam. But that's a good thing! That just means that you'll be very prepared. I may have just gotten lucky with the questions, though. I don't want to make it sound easy, it wasn't. The particular questions just weren't as difficult as I was planning for. I was expecting WWIII and got a minor border skirmish with a small third-world country. :-) I guess that's why they call this a qualification exam. The exceptionally super hard part is yet to come. I see that they've announced the new lab format and now I'm wondering if I should schedule the lab now and plan on taking the two-day version in March of 2002 or so, or should I wait until after Oct. 1st and possibly get the one-day version sooner? Hmm... food for thought. Thanks to all who have helped me so far! (Howard, Priscilla, Chuck, Pamela, Stogieman, Peter, and everyone else I'm forgetting at the moment) I'm now going to go eat dinner with my wife and then sleep for the rest of the weekend! Regards, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12392t=12377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
John, Heartiest Conngratulations to you !! Wish you all the best for the Real Challenge.. Wish me luck too as I am taking the written in two weeks FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
John, I totally agree with you about more in-depth questions being asked on the CCNP exams. I also recently completed both (CCNP, CCIE written) and was surprised and disappointed at the lack of depth in the questions I was asked on the Written exam. I think if you read the intro/overview technology stuff on the cisco website you are well on your way to passing the written. John Neiberger wrote: I was *so* worried about taking this test. I had been hearing from numerous people how hard it was so I did nothing but cram for the last two weeks. Even after that I still did not feel ready, knowing that there were going to be numerous questions on ATM, OSPF, BGP, IS-IS, SRB, LANE, NAT, Policy Routing, Redistribution, etc. Well, the worrying was for nothing. I passed with a 92%! However, I think that's because I was overprepared for the specific questions I received. I know that each test pulls from a pool of 300 or so questions, but I think I got about 80 of the easy ones. Seriously, I thought that more in-depth knowledge was required to take the CCNP tests. For many of the topics I listed above, I didn't receive a single question! What gives?? With that said, some of the questions were difficult, but only because they were the sort that if you didn't already know it, it was tough to guess. The SRB, token ring, OSPF, BGP, and LANE questions were very basic. Anyone with a solid introduction to them and a good memory would be able to ace all of those topics. A few months ago I got a subscription to CertificationZone and I'm very glad I did. I found the real test to be much easier than their practice tests. If you get a subscription and can pass three or four of those exams, you're probably going to be disappointed in the difficulty of the real exam. But that's a good thing! That just means that you'll be very prepared. I may have just gotten lucky with the questions, though. I don't want to make it sound easy, it wasn't. The particular questions just weren't as difficult as I was planning for. I was expecting WWIII and got a minor border skirmish with a small third-world country. :-) I guess that's why they call this a qualification exam. The exceptionally super hard part is yet to come. I see that they've announced the new lab format and now I'm wondering if I should schedule the lab now and plan on taking the two-day version in March of 2002 or so, or should I wait until after Oct. 1st and possibly get the one-day version sooner? Hmm... food for thought. Thanks to all who have helped me so far! (Howard, Priscilla, Chuck, Pamela, Stogieman, Peter, and everyone else I'm forgetting at the moment) I'm now going to go eat dinner with my wife and then sleep for the rest of the weekend! Regards, John ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12395t=12377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
Hi, First, way to go, sounds like you worked hard! You Deserve it. How much time did any of you take to study for the CCIE written after passing the CCNP exams? Do you have any other advice for those of us going taking baby steps from CCNP studies to the CCIE written? (My co-workers say I should just take the written but the instant gratification of passing the CCNP exams keeps me motivated!) I plan to finish my CCNP/DP before September and then take 2.5 months of studying for the written I'll take in Mid-December. I hope it's good enough to score at least over 80%, but wow, 90% is something to be really proud about. Congrats again. - Ryan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12396t=12377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: L2TP networks [7:12368]
Hi, The tunnel endpoints are just normal IP addresses, UDP/IP L2TP tunnels are also routed as normal IP traffic. If you can ping across the network, you should be able to configure a working tunnel. Hope it helps, - Ryan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12397t=12368 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New format for CCIE exams (written qualification) [7:12364]
Hello, The latest step in this process has resulted in a format change to both the CCIE qualification and lab exams. They didn't clarify at all about changes to the Qualification exam. =( I'm planning on taking this in December - I hope the changes aren't that drastic or at least well documented by then. Or else that money I'm saving from lost productivity will go to Written exam retakes. =( Anybody know what changes are in store for the Written? - Ryan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12398t=12364 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345]
Chuck, Thank you for another well put response. One good we can all ask ourselves now is In the end, does my skill set, comportment, and insight, bring to a situation the value a CCIE should project/display. Nigel.. From: Chuck Larrieu Reply-To: Chuck Larrieu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:58:41 -0400 I don't suppose any of you geeks on this list have ever studied any economics? ;- The laws of supply and demand are still in effect. Consider: 1) there are tens of thousands of us wannabees in the pipeline, drawn because of the anticipated salaries and other benefits the certification permits. lab format change or no, how many CCIE's will there be in five years, given current award rates? by my estimate well over 12,000. 2) there are powerful business advantages to consulting firms with enough CCIE's on staff to meet the highest Cisco Partner level. 3) it has been difficult for companies to obtain and / or retain CCIE's 4) it is expensive to set up and run testing facilities. in times of economic slowdown, particularly for a company whose stock has lost 75% of its value in the last year, Cisco management has other priorities. 5) Cisco is a marketing company first and foremost. Their sole interest is in selling product 6) Cisco is under pressure from its channel to do something to help the channel obtain the highest partnership status. 7) the dirty unspoken truth is that everyone - Cisco, the channel partners, customers - want something to happen to limit the salaries CCIE's currently demand. The only way that can happen is if there is a surplus of CCIE's in the marketplace. CCIE's and CCIE candidates, of course, hope otherwise. There is nothing that can be done to stop this train. thousands in the pipeline. thousands want their turn on the gravy train. the situation has occurred because of a shortage of skilled labor. supply and demand. salaries rose. with thousands drawn into the game, salaries will level out, or even decline. when I was in high school, the gospel of the day was that a college degree was the ticket to the good life. by the time I got my degree, it was not unheard of to find ads for people with college degrees who could lift 50 pounds. one last comment to end this long and ponderous post. I'm one of those whose next lab attempt will be the one day format. so when I pass I will be one of the CCIE with the *. NOT. the CCIE will remain as valuable as the person who wears it. Mr. Employer - mediocre employees are a dime a dozen. Outstanding employees are invaluable. In the end, it is your skill set, your comportment, your insight, and the value you bring to a situation that gives value. Not a 2 day versus a 1 day lab. best wishes to everyone in their journey to the top. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of anand ghody Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FYI CCIE Changes announced [7:12345] I think this also means that you are going to see the prestige of the certification diminish. Part of the prestige is that only a few people in the world have the certification. If say 80- 85% of people taking the exam pass then increasing the number of people taking the exam will increase the amount of people that pass (more people will be certified at a faster rate). Part of the reason CCIE are paid so much is that there are so few out there. From a supply and demand perspective does this not decrease the monetary advantage of attaining the certification for the individual. For Cisco this is great ( more people being certified in their equipment at a higher level). This comes at an especially opportune time when the competition is beginning to creep up on them. What better way to market yourself than to say look at the amount of highly trained individuals out there who can support my equipment. John Hardman wrote:Hi All Well Cisco has announced their plans... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12399t=12345 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
I used a *bunch* of books to study for this, as well as a lot of material from CCO. Here are some of the books I used, in no particular order: Routing TCP/IP by Jeff Doyle Internet Routing Architectures by Sam Halabi Bridges, Routers, and Switches by Caslow Cisco LAN Switch Configuration by Sybex Building Cisco Multilayer Switching Networks from Mcgraw Hill Building Cisco Remote Access Networks from Mcgraw Hill CCIE Written Study Guide from Sybex CiscoPress Building Scalable Cisco Networks CiscoPress Wide Area Network Solutions CiscoPress Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting Cisco Security Architectures CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Cram, which i thought was worthless but in hindsight it probably covered most of the test. Add to that list a *lot* of material from CCO, reading through Groupstudy archives, and a subscription to CertificationZone, which was instrumental in my passing the test. Is that enough? ;-) Good luck! John | hi John, | congratulations on your success in this exam.It's no | been only you who rates this exam to be very tough.I | do too and infact i have to tell you that i'ld be | taking the exam in 3 weeks.Could you please tell me | what materials books ++ you used to crush this | exam.I'ld appreciate it. | Thanks | | chika | | --- John Neiberger wrote: | I was *so* worried about taking this test. I had | been hearing from numerous | people how hard it was so I did nothing but cram for | the last two weeks. | Even after that I still did not feel ready, knowing | that there were going to | be numerous questions on ATM, OSPF, BGP, IS-IS, SRB, | LANE, NAT, Policy | Routing, Redistribution, etc. | | Well, the worrying was for nothing. I passed with a | 92%! However, I think | that's because I was overprepared for the specific | questions I received. I | know that each test pulls from a pool of 300 or so | questions, but I think I | got about 80 of the easy ones. | | Seriously, I thought that more in-depth knowledge | was required to take the | CCNP tests. For many of the topics I listed above, | I didn't receive a | single question! What gives?? | | With that said, some of the questions were | difficult, but only because they | were the sort that if you didn't already know it, it | was tough to guess. | The SRB, token ring, OSPF, BGP, and LANE questions | were very basic. Anyone | with a solid introduction to them and a good memory | would be able to ace all | of those topics. | | A few months ago I got a subscription to | CertificationZone and I'm very glad | I did. I found the real test to be much easier than | their practice tests. | If you get a subscription and can pass three or four | of those exams, you're | probably going to be disappointed in the difficulty | of the real exam. But | that's a good thing! That just means that you'll be | very prepared. | | I may have just gotten lucky with the questions, | though. I don't want to | make it sound easy, it wasn't. The particular | questions just weren't as | difficult as I was planning for. I was expecting | WWIII and got a minor | border skirmish with a small third-world country. | :-) | | I guess that's why they call this a qualification | exam. The exceptionally | super hard part is yet to come. | | I see that they've announced the new lab format and | now I'm wondering if I | should schedule the lab now and plan on taking the | two-day version in March | of 2002 or so, or should I wait until after Oct. 1st | and possibly get the | one-day version sooner? Hmm... food for thought. | | Thanks to all who have helped me so far! (Howard, | Priscilla, Chuck, Pamela, | Stogieman, Peter, and everyone else I'm forgetting | at the moment) | | I'm now going to go eat dinner with my wife and then | sleep for the rest of | the weekend! | | Regards, | John | | | | | | | ___ | Send a cool gift with your E-Card | http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ | | | | | Message Posted at: | | http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12377t=12377 | -- | FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: | http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html | Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | __ | Do You Yahoo!? | Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail | http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12401t=12377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
Re: Passed CCIE Written! [7:12377]
Thanks for the congrats, I appreciate it. If I remember correctly, I finished up CCNP in March and CCDP in April. In hindsight, one month of studying would have been plenty to prepare for the written. It covers (potentially) more material than the CCNP/DP tests, but I don't think the questions were more difficult. To use an analogy, I feel that the CCNP/DP tests were a mile wide and an inch deep. The CCIE written is 1.5 miles wide and 2 inches deep, but I prepared as if it were going to be 2 miles wide and 100 yards deep. However, all of that preparation was not for naught. It will come in *very* handy in the lab, I'm sure. As far as taking the written before the CCNP/DP tests, I think you gain a lot of knowledge while studying for those exams and it's worth the time to finish those up first. I personally feel that it adds to the sense of accomplishment to tackle these in order, and the process itself may be worth more than the certs in the long run. If you focus on learning and don't focus on just the certifications, you'll fly through these with no problem. Good luck! John | Hi, | | First, way to go, sounds like you worked hard! You Deserve it. | | How much time did any of you take to study for the CCIE written after | passing the CCNP exams? | | Do you have any other advice for those of us going taking baby steps from | CCNP studies to the CCIE written? (My co-workers say I should just take the | written but the instant gratification of passing the CCNP exams keeps me | motivated!) | | I plan to finish my CCNP/DP before September and then take 2.5 months of | studying for the written I'll take in Mid-December. I hope it's good enough | to score at least over 80%, but wow, 90% is something to be really proud | about. Congrats again. | | - Ryan | | ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12402t=12377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Comment on Boson's v3.83 CCIE Written Practice Test [7:12403]
Zahid, The Boson tests are a great study tool. I recommend reading the material for the study topic, then doing as much hands on as possible on the study material, then use the Boson tests. After taking the Boson test, review the material you are weak in, then retake the Boson until consistently over 90%, then take the exam. They are high quality self-tests and much less expensive than the ones that used to be available for Novell and Microsoft exams (Big Red Self-test, Transcender, Self-test software, etc.) The CCIE Written Boson is especially good. Tim - Original Message - From: Zahid Hassan To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Comment on Boson's v3.83 CCIE Written Practice Test [7:12361] Dear All, Would someone pls. comment on the quality and effectiveness of the Boson's v3.83 CCIE Written Practice test ? Any other relevant study and preparation tips would be much appreciated. Regards, Zahid Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=12403t=12403 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
