RIF Frame Size [7:42070]
Hi All, As we know 3 bits are used in a RIF to indication the max frame size. The chart is presented in Rossi's paper, what I want to know is do we need to memorise that table? ie 111 is 64000 bytes or 010 is 2052 bytes? I know there are 3 bits, can I work out some how what each frame size is so i can draw up a chart during the exam (written) before I start? Cheers Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42070&t=42070 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question on RIPv2 example in Doyles routing book [7:41991]
RIP V1 knows nothing about the structure of RIP v2 So it cannot know anything about the mask section within the RIP update. Therefore, it has to use the mask configured on the interface as is normal. Phil. --- Kage Roc wrote: > When a router that is running RIPv1 recieves a RIPv2 > update with a subnet > (i.e 192.168.13.80\28) will the RIPv1 router add the > subnet and mask to the > routing table as is or will it still apply the mask > of the recieving > interface ont the the subnet? According to doyles > book (Chapter 7 > troubleshooting exercises) the RIPv1 route will add > the mask of the > recieving interface. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42071&t=41991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time for a break [7:42056]
Well thanks for that great advice Shawn! I went to spend time with the wife as you suggested and she thought an stranger had broken into the house and she called the police. Luckily I had my license on me to prove to her that I was her husband! JR -- Johnny Routin The "Routin" One ""Kaminski, Shawn G"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > All right, that's enough. It's time for a break. I want everyone to step > away from their computers and go say hello to your spouses and children so > that they don't forget what you look like. See you back here in a few > minutes. > > Shawn K. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42072&t=42056 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Written Beta [7:41827]
Hi, I am not being able to find the exam (351-001) in the Prometric list of available exams. What was the tile/exam nr. that you used to register for the exam ? Many thanks. Zahid ""Bernard Omrani"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I took the CCIE written beta exam on Tuesday. 150 questions in 180 minutes. I can't think of any area in networking that was not covered in this exam, including VoIP, MPLS, Security, 6500 Switch (MSFC), IPX, (several FDDI questions, believe it or not), X.25, Frame Relay (CAR, TS, Queuing), ATM (AALx in detail), Ethernet, TCP/IP, (OSPF + IS-IS + EIGRP + BGP in detail), Multicasting (extensively) Detailed OSPF means knowing all LSA types inside out. You must be able to analyze OSPF database line-by-line and know where and what every parameter is. Detailed BGP means, not only knowing its fundamentals, but also some advanced commands that are even hardly used in the CCIE lab. Commands like "bgp deterministic med" (NDA: not exact same command). There were at least 5 questions on IS-IS. IMHO, the questions were tough, excellent, real-world, and very challenging. There were very few ambiguous questions. Out of 150 questions, about half of them came with diagrams or router configurations, or show outputs. Most of the pitfalls and tricks that one faces in the CCIE lab are covered in this exam. I dare to say that each question is a small scenario/lab by itself. Keeping the ISDN line quiet, controlling the PVCs in Frame Relay, redistribution between routing protocols (subnets in OSPF, no auto-sum and metrics in EIGRP, default-information originate BGP, passive interfaces, loops, recursive tunnels.) I have always advised my students to go for CID exam before attempting the CCIE written. CID would give the student almost 80% of the knowledge needed to pass the CCIE written. That rule does not apply to this new written exam. The closest exam that I can point out is: the CCIE lab. A word of advice to those who have already passed the written: Do not let it expire! A word of advice to those who are planning to take the exam: Take it before the new format is introduced! Bernard Omrani Author of Boson CCIE written Practice Tests #1 & #2 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42073&t=41827 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where can i get an isdn switch for my home lab? [7:42030]
www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ http://www.acacia-net.com/ http://www.taskit.com/ http://www.monitor.co.at/monitor/498/story/isdnsim.html http://www.digitechinc.com http://www.ertmsales.com/products/search/viewcart.cfm?Page=1&QtyNA= -- Johnny Routin The "Routin" One ""Mirza, Timur"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Timur Mirza > Principal Network Engineer > Network Planning & Engineering, West Region > 15505-B Sand Canyon Avenue > Irvine, California 92618 > Verizon Wireless > 949.286.6623 (o) > 949.697.7964 (c) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42074&t=42030 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PIX VPN [7:42068]
The PIX comes with a 56bit DES license. If you want 3DES you will need to buy it. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mamoon Dawood Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PIX VPN [7:42068] Dear All, Our customer who bought a Cisco PIX and router for his HQ want to connect the HQ office with another one in different location, they will implement VPN connectivity from the HQ PIX to the other side PIX, is there any add on software need to be purchased or it will be ok with the default PIX configuration, Regards, Mamoon. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42075&t=42068 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Written Beta [7:41827]
AFAIK, it's not listed on their website at all. You need to call (800) 204-EXAM and register over the phone using 351-001. Mike W. "Zahid Hassan" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > > I am not being able to find the exam (351-001) in the Prometric list of > available exams. > What was the tile/exam nr. that you used to register for the exam ? > > Many thanks. > > Zahid > > > > > > ""Bernard Omrani"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I took the CCIE written beta exam on Tuesday. > 150 questions in 180 minutes. > > I can't think of any area in networking that was not covered in this > exam, including VoIP, MPLS, Security, 6500 Switch (MSFC), IPX, (several > FDDI questions, believe it or not), X.25, Frame Relay (CAR, TS, > Queuing), ATM (AALx in detail), Ethernet, TCP/IP, (OSPF + IS-IS + EIGRP > + BGP in detail), Multicasting (extensively) > > Detailed OSPF means knowing all LSA types inside out. You must be able > to analyze OSPF database line-by-line and know where and what every > parameter is. Detailed BGP means, not only knowing its fundamentals, but > also some advanced commands that are even hardly used in the CCIE lab. > Commands like "bgp deterministic med" (NDA: not exact same command). > There were at least 5 questions on IS-IS. > > IMHO, the questions were tough, excellent, real-world, and very > challenging. There were very few ambiguous questions. Out of 150 > questions, about half of them came with diagrams or router > configurations, or show outputs. > > Most of the pitfalls and tricks that one faces in the CCIE lab are > covered in this exam. I dare to say that each question is a small > scenario/lab by itself. Keeping the ISDN line quiet, controlling the > PVCs in Frame Relay, redistribution between routing protocols (subnets > in OSPF, no auto-sum and metrics in EIGRP, default-information originate > BGP, passive interfaces, loops, recursive tunnels.) > > I have always advised my students to go for CID exam before attempting > the CCIE written. CID would give the student almost 80% of the knowledge > needed to pass the CCIE written. That rule does not apply to this new > written exam. The closest exam that I can point out is: the CCIE lab. > > A word of advice to those who have already passed the written: Do not > let it expire! > A word of advice to those who are planning to take the exam: Take it > before the new format is introduced! > > > Bernard Omrani > Author of Boson > CCIE written > Practice Tests #1 & #2 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42077&t=41827 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955]
I was thinking about something this morning also, in Caslow's book he states that the CCIE lab is modeled after a graduate school exam, designed to test the students thought patterns and how well they think on their feet. Questions that appear to address one issue may be designed to look that way, when the testers are actually looking for something different. Of course there are little hints thrown in there I am sure, never taken the lab so I don't know, but if practice scenarios are any measure the hints are very subtle. Maybe in a lab scenario it would be interesting to include in the solution the way to decipher a question or questions, as well as give the candidate an idea of what other possibly confusing questions they might see in relation to that particular topic. ~-Original Message- ~From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ~Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:24 PM ~To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Subject: Re: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955] ~ ~ ~At 7:10 PM -0400 4/19/02, Kevin Cullimore wrote: ~>I'm pretty far away from the "purchasing lab scenarios or the time to ~>practice them" point(so many printed words, only one ~lifetime), but one ~>frustrating theme permeating all of the vendor-endorsed ~training I've been ~>forced to attend (note: it was always the case that I would ~ask for training ~>during my first 6-12 months of exposure to a technology, get ~denied, and ~>then be required to attend the lowest possible level training ~a year later), ~>is that they offer one or two solutions to a given ~troubleshooting/design ~>problem. While they might come up with some acceptable ~reasons for their ~>solution, wouldn't it be better to provide scenarios where multiple ~>solutions exist for a given set of base requirements and the solutions ~>manual outlines all acceptable options, comparing & ~contrasting them with ~>one another, highlighting the merits of solutions that go ~above & beyond the ~>original motives according to generally accepted principles of network ~>design? ~ ~Unfortunately, there's a problem in network design training. No one ~vendor, even Cisco, makes every kind of component that could be ~relevant to a solution. We've all seen posts here that really turned ~out to be a Windows problem with a Windows solution, or perhaps could ~be done most efficiently with a smart DSU rather than IP load ~sharing, etc. ~ ~To get this kind of broad view, you tend to be looking at books or ~vendor-independent training. There are several ways to approach this. ~I just pulled off my shelf "High Availability Networking with Cisco" ~by Vincent C. Jones. The title is slightly misleading, but it's a ~good book, because he does get into things such as power supply ~issues and how several server vendors handle multiple NICs for ~avoiding single points of failure. ~ ~In my book, "WAN Survival Guide," I chose to be generally vendor ~independent, and did things like showing how some reliability ~problems might better be solved by adding server clusters than ~continuing to increase network reliability. One of the case studies ~is derived from a consulting client of mine who demanded they NEVER ~lose Internet connectivity, so I designed redundant routers, hooked ~to an AT&T dual ring SONET, and to another carrier with an MCI ~upstream, reached over a different physical facility. ~ ~Unfortunately, when I visited their computer room, I found out they ~had one server. When I inquired what they would do if that went down ~while the network stayed up, they cheerfully responded, "oh, we have ~it backed up on tape." This really should have been one of those ~commercials that said "Backup server, $20,000. Look on the client's ~face when they realize their vulnerability, priceless. For everything ~else, there's Mastercard." ~ ~In my upcoming "Building Service Provider Networks," I go through a ~variety of customer case studies. I picked the customers so they ~would have different requirements and thus different solutions, but ~in the discussion, I would point out alternatives. ~ ~Unfortunately, publishers are finding people are only buying design ~books related to security, and essentially certification cram books. ~There's not nearly the market for design seminars as there was five ~years ago. I suppose the new generation of CEOs is concerned with ~getting the wrong answer quickly. ~-- ~"What Problem are you trying to solve?" ~***send Cisco questions to the list, so all can benefit -- not ~directly to me*** ~*** ~* ~Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~Chief Technology Officer, GettLab/Gett Communications http://www.gettlabs.com Technical Director, CertificationZone.com http://www.certificationzone.com "retired" Certified Cisco Systems Instructor (CID) #93005 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42078&t=41955 -
Re: Homebuilt Pix Firewall [7:42022]
Well all I am waiting for is the Intel motherboard. I should have it some time next week. I will be happy to post information on the progress and answer questions if I get it going... Don - Original Message - From: "Mark Odette II" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:50 AM Subject: RE: Homebuilt Pix Firewall [7:42022] > unless it's in some archive link that I didn't notice, I didn't find much on > the FrankenPIX off of that forum Just a few threads talking about > building it for 1K, but beyond that, no How-To Discussions. > > > Interesting resource though... thanks for the lead... > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > netman > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Homebuilt Pix Firewall [7:42022] > > > Thanks, > > Waiting to be approved. > > Don > > > > > look on securityie.com under frankenpix > > > > ""netman"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Has anyone had any luck building a home built Pix Firewall? > > > > > > I saw mention of this back in September, but never saw the instructions. > I > > > have searched on Deja and found posts referring to the Franken-pix but > > they > > > don't contain very much information. > > > > > > I have the Intel Nics that were mentioned in many posts (model 82557), > the > > > Intel Motherboard suggested (on order) and the 2mb Pix flash card that I > > had > > > left over when I switched to a 16 meg flash. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Don Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42079&t=42022 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955]
At 10:34 AM -0400 4/20/02, Lupi, Guy wrote: >I was thinking about something this morning also, in Caslow's book he states >that the CCIE lab is modeled after a graduate school exam, designed to test >the students thought patterns and how well they think on their feet. >Questions that appear to address one issue may be designed to look that way, >when the testers are actually looking for something different. Of course >there are little hints thrown in there I am sure, never taken the lab so I >don't know, but if practice scenarios are any measure the hints are very >subtle. Maybe in a lab scenario it would be interesting to include in the >solution the way to decipher a question or questions, as well as give the >candidate an idea of what other possibly confusing questions they might see >in relation to that particular topic. I've always been impressed by that observation of Caslow's, although I don't know if that's the actual intention of the lab designers. There are other forms of that sort of thinking, ranging from a physician needing to think of the effect of a drug on other drugs and the patient as a whole, to what fighter pilots call "situational awareness." I wonder if this can be developed in a manner other than just hands-on lab exercises. It certainly is a part of medical education, in the traditional way physicians in training are asked leading questions, and the way physicians communicate with one another. I'll give an example of that in a bit. A way to approach this may be more a test engine presenting "word problems" and asking something subtly different than what CCIE written practice materials do. Those practice tests ask for a solution to the problem. If the problem descriptions perhaps could be made a little more detailed, and the question is asked "what is significant about this problem that would make you choose a particular solution?" as distinct for asking about the problem itself, perhaps followed by a conventional question about the solution. I'll try to create some examples and post them. Bear with me in a medical example that both is obscure, but actually the way physicians communicate -- "doctorspeak" is far more than jargon. Luckily, I do have a substantial medical background, including expert systems that simulate the medical thinking process. A relative had just transferred to a rehabilitation program after diagnostic brain surgery, which still had not revealed exactly what was wrong. As part of the intake process, they had an in-house internist take a detailed history, to complement what the physical therapists and the like would focus on. The internist was a nice guy and was taking a competent history. He noted she had asthma, got some details about its treatment, and went on. She then mentioned some chronic rashes, and he asked "you did say you were asthmatic, right?" At that point, I chipped in and said, "the eosinophil count is normal and there are no urinary casts." He did a doubletake and asked "what do you do for a living?" I answered, but he started addressing me as Dr. Berkowitz. You see, when he heard asthma and rashes in a neurologic patient, I had the background -- the big picture if you will -- to know that the possibility of a syndrome called Churg-Strauss vasculitis might explain things. Churg-Strauss is characterized by three things and possibly a fourth: asthma, skin rashes, and a rise in certain blood cells called eosinophils. It may also cause kidney damage, in a way that usually first shows up when structures called "casts" show up in urinalyis. What I was doing was standard inter-doctor communication -- I saw where he was going, and, rather than saying "Churg-Strauss has been ruled out," knew what he'd be looking for next and gave him the negative laboratory information that ruled it out. (You can find a nice, not too technical description of this sort of interaction in Michael Crichton's book, "Five Patients."). Part of the reason I answered the way I did was I knew, from experience, that when doctors hear a certain phrasing in logic, they almost automatically stop thinking of you as a patient or relative, and begin interacting with you as a colleague. I'll use it deliberately to gain that relationship, but also for its original purpose of conveying specialized information efficiently. Let's take a networking parallel. What if the server people are having application response time problems, and start blaming the network. You are called in by the IT manager, who, we shall assume, is quite network-literate. You do some tests, and turn to the manager and say "the TCP window size for this application do slow start and then grow normally." What _negative_ information have I just conveyed about this being a network or host problem (there are several possible answers, all related)? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42080&t=41955 --
Re: ISDN Simulator [7:41896]
JB, No, I think getting an ISDN simulator is more effecient. You can always use your isdn simulator for 6 months than turn around and resell it. I guess it really boils down to how much money you can afford to spend and how much time you will need the ISDN lines for. If you only need the isdn lines for a couple months, then it might make sense to go with a couple ISDN lines. However if you're going to need them for the long haul, (6mos-1yr), I'd go with the simulator. When I was going for my CCIE, I dished out $2800 and got the teltone ILS-2000, when I could have gone with the ILS-1000 but just didnt know any better. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net ""jb"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Brad, > Do you think that getting to ISDN lines is more efficient > ""CiscoB"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Stephen, > > > > You could try and find a used Simline2, or you could purchase a couple of > > ISDN lines and have them installed in your home. Probably cost you $60/mo > > or so for two lines, or you could go with one line for $30 or so and break > > out the B channels (although you wont be able to do multilink if you go > that > > route). > > > > thanks, > > -Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net > > > > ""Stephen C"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Ok, I give up. I am tired of being unable to simulate ISDN on my rack. > > > Been having to go over to the school to do labs and that is hit or miss > on > > a > > > person with keys. I would love to buy an Adtran Atlas 550 as configured > > by > > > Cisco for the Academies, who wouldn't. But the money tree just can't > grow > > > it that fast and even thirteen bills (SlimLine 2) is a bit steep for the > > ol > > > wallet. What is the "shoe string" option or is there? > > > > > > Stephen Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42076&t=41896 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Hi Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) Thanks Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42081&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41992]
""[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Sep 9, 11:12am, "Larry Letterman" wrote: > } > } To my knowledge the proctors are CCIE's... > > Okay, chicken and egg time... If the proctors are CCIEs then who > proctored the first lab exam? there is a story told about the great anthropologist Lewis Leakey. In those days one had to demonstrate competence in a foreign language in order to get one's PhD. Leakey's language of choice - Swahili. Well, the university had no Swahili experts on staff, so they enquired among the various educational elite, and were given the name of one of the world's foremost experts in Swahili - Lewis Leakey! I have heard an alternative version of this story, in which Leakey actualy trained the person who would give him the competency examination... Is anyone on this list personally acquaited with Terry Slattery ( CCIE # 1026, and the first non Cisco CCIE )? I wonder if Mr. Slattery would be willing to offer some insight here. > > } - Original Message - > } From: "Mark Odette II" > } Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 12:02 PM > } Subject: RE: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41992] > } > } > This spawns a question I have wondered recently: > } > > } > Are the Proctors at the LAB testing centers CCIEs?? > } > }-- End of excerpt from "Larry Letterman" Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42082&t=41992 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Yes. Not as many as before, but yes. ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > Thanks > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42083&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front, take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the class. books were not included. My employer at the time was a major brokerage firm. My current employer ( a telco ) offers a similar program. It can take one a long time, doing it this way - night classes. We used to call it the "ten year plan" :-> HTH ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > Thanks > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42084&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WTB: Cisco 3660 Chassis and Power Supply [7:42085]
Apologize if this is the wrong forum. I am looking to purchase a 3660 chassis and power supply. I already have the motherboard, DRAM, and flash. Thank you. Kenneth Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42085&t=42085 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955]
At 11:05 AM 4/20/02, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >A way to approach this may be more a test engine presenting "word >problems" and asking something subtly different than what CCIE >written practice materials do. Those practice tests ask for a >solution to the problem. If the problem descriptions perhaps could >be made a little more detailed, and the question is asked "what is >significant about this problem that would make you choose a >particular solution?" as distinct for asking about the problem >itself, perhaps followed by a conventional question about the >solution. I'll try to create some examples and post them. That sounds like a good idea. In this way you could test that the person understands methods and processes, not just specific situations. >Let's take a networking parallel. What if the server people are >having application response time problems, and start blaming the >network. You are called in by the IT manager, who, we shall assume, >is quite network-literate. You do some tests, and turn to the manager >and say "the TCP window size for this application do slow start and >then grow normally." What _negative_ information have I just >conveyed about this being a network or host problem (there are >several possible answers, all related)? You have implied that the problem is not with the network. TCP starts in slow start and then adjusts its window size based on congestion. You say that the window grows "normally," which implies that congestion isn't a major problem. The IT manager should start troubleshooting potential server problems: slow disk, small cache, non-optimized database, that sort of thing. This is just a guess, but hopefully on the right track of one of the possible answers. Priscilla Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42086&t=41955 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Method and Process Scenario 3: OSPF Multihoming [7:42088]
Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its limitations? Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be required. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42088&t=42088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955]
At 2:39 PM -0400 4/20/02, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: >At 11:05 AM 4/20/02, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >>A way to approach this may be more a test engine presenting "word >>problems" and asking something subtly different than what CCIE >>written practice materials do. Those practice tests ask for a >>solution to the problem. If the problem descriptions perhaps could >>be made a little more detailed, and the question is asked "what is >>significant about this problem that would make you choose a >>particular solution?" as distinct for asking about the problem >>itself, perhaps followed by a conventional question about the >>solution. I'll try to create some examples and post them. > >That sounds like a good idea. In this way you could test that the person >understands methods and processes, not just specific situations. > > >>Let's take a networking parallel. What if the server people are >>having application response time problems, and start blaming the >>network. You are called in by the IT manager, who, we shall assume, >>is quite network-literate. You do some tests, and turn to the manager >>and say "the TCP window size for this application do slow start and >>then grow normally." What _negative_ information have I just >>conveyed about this being a network or host problem (there are >>several possible answers, all related)? > >You have implied that the problem is not with the network. TCP starts in >slow start and then adjusts its window size based on congestion. You say >that the window grows "normally," which implies that congestion isn't a >major problem. The IT manager should start troubleshooting potential server >problems: slow disk, small cache, non-optimized database, that sort of thing. > >This is just a guess, but hopefully on the right track of one of the >possible answers. > >Priscilla Definitely one possibility. Another reasonable thing to infer, before getting paranoid, is that the network has an insignificant error or loss rate, since TCP assumes loss of acknowledgement for whatever reason is due to congestion, and backs off. Getting a bit paranoid, however, there certainly are TCP implementations that either were just done wrong. Other implementations deliberately violate the implicit flow control rules in order to look better for throughput benchmarking. A good TCP benchmark not only measures throughput, but introduces errors to be sure the backoff mechanism works. Now, a question to the group. I encourage people to pose these sorts of scenarios here, and I'll create more as a separate thread, "method and process scenarios." So that vendors can provide things that are useful to people studying, would there be interest in either hard copy or online collections of such things? Priscilla, would this sort of thing lend itself to your flash cards, or is the answer apt to be too long? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42091&t=41955 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Method and Process Scenario 3: BGP Multihoming [7:42090]
A variant on number 2. Your enterprise has a directly assigned, provider independent /16 prefix. What does this suggest it can do with respect to multihoming? Consider multihoming to multiple POPs of the same ISP, to different ISPs, or both. Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be required. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42090&t=42090 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Method and Process Scenario 2: BGP Multihoming [7:42089]
First of the free-standing version that I brainstormed with Priscilla. Your enterprise gets its public address space from its first upstream provider. What does this suggest it can do with respect to multihoming? Consider multihoming to multiple POPs of the same ISP, to different ISPs, or both. Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be required. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42089&t=42089 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Method and Process Scenario 4: OSPF and BGP Multihoming [7:42087]
Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? Assume you _do_ run BGP with provider-assigned address space. What can you do and what are its limitations? In other words, what is your external routing policy? Does it differ from that of the ISP? Do you need an AS number? If so, what kind, and are there RFCs that discuss approaches to doing this? Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be required. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42087&t=42087 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(correction) Method and Process Scenario 5: OSPF Multihoming [7:42092]
Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its limitations? Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be required. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42092&t=42092 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school won't let you play.:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front, take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the class. books were not included. My employer at the time was a major brokerage firm. My current employer ( a telco ) offers a similar program. It can take one a long time, doing it this way - night classes. We used to call it the "ten year plan" :-> HTH ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > Thanks > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42093&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How close to the real Lab ????? [7:42094]
Team, I am in the process of completing my personal lab, I am building it base on the FATKID rack. My question is how close the hardware used on the FATKID is to the real lab. Will this layout be enough or I will need to buy other equipment as well. Thanks, JB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42094&t=42094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RSVP and VOIP [7:42095]
I am having a little trouble getting rsvp with voip to work. I have a setup like below, all interfaces have rsvp enabled, some have more bandwidth alloted than others, but all of them have a max single reservation of 10KBps. I make a call from r8 to r7 and can see the path messages from the calling router (r8), but the called router doesn't seem to send the reservation messages. Also, is there a way to define the amount of bandwidth the VOIP peers want to reserve? I pasted my dial peer configurations below, thanks. r8r2-r6-r5--r7 R8 dial-peer voice 1 pots destination-pattern 14085... port 1/0/0 ! dial-peer voice 2 voip destination-pattern 83222... req-qos controlled-load acc-qos controlled-load session target ipv4:7.7.7.7 ! num-exp 2... 83222... R7 dial-peer voice 2 voip destination-pattern 14085... req-qos controlled-load acc-qos controlled-load session target ipv4:8.8.8.8 ! dial-peer voice 1 pots destination-pattern 83222... port 1/0/0 ! num-exp 5... 14085... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42095&t=42095 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
But it's good to know that employer-sponsorship still happens. I had my MBA classes sponsored at my previous 2 employers. I'm sure my current one will do it too, but it just doesn't feel right to ask for it in such economy. Our stock is OK but the environment is not very encouraging. Anyway back to my CCIE quest for now! Tarek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of adam lee Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school won't let you play.:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front, take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the class. books were not included. My employer at the time was a major brokerage firm. My current employer ( a telco ) offers a similar program. It can take one a long time, doing it this way - night classes. We used to call it the "ten year plan" :-> HTH ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > Thanks > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42097&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
accesslist.....bgp [7:42098]
Hi , I came across a strange situation. I am running bgp b/w two routers(cisco). Whenever I configure access-list on one of the router,the bgp routes from the router on which I configure acl are getting disappearin 'sh ip routes ' and I am not able to ping from one n/w to the other . What could be the problem / Stanz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42098&t=42098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Default Gateway and Ip Default Network [7:42099]
What is the exact difference between - Gateway of last resort - IP Default Network When do u use this ? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42099&t=42099 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2514 combining flash to form 1 partition [7:42102]
Hi, Does anyone know if you combine two 4mb flash sticks together so you can have 1 8mb partition so you can put a larger image on it.I have attached a sh fla and was was wondering if this could be done Many thanks Paul System flash directory, partition 1: File Length Name/status 1 4146744 c2500-i-l.112-5.bin [4146808 bytes used, 47496 available, 4194304 total] 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read ONLY) System flash directory, partition 2: File Length Name/status 1 3072556 ii10340 [3072620 bytes used, 1121684 available, 4194304 total] 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42102&t=42102 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
So I'm just trying to make sure that I'm not losing it. According to Cisco, the metric calculation for IGRP is (EIGRP being the same except times 256): (K1*Bw) + (K2*Bw)/(256-Load) + (K3*Delay)*(K5/(Reliability + K4)) But then other stuff I've read says that (E)IGRP metric is calculated using Bandwidth, Load, Reliability, Delay, and MTU. For instance to set a default metric the command is: default-metric Cisco has a page on redistribution that says: "IGRP and EIGRP need five metrics when redistributing other protocols: bandwidth, delay, reliability, load and maximum transmission unit (MTU) respectively." So according to the formula above, where does MTU come into play?!?!?!? Am I missing something?!?!? If MTU isn't part of the metric calculation, why bother putting it in when setting default metrics or redistributing other protocols into (E)IGRP? I know this is a pretty "basic" question, but I was just reviewing some stuff and came across this. Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42103&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2514 combining flash to form 1 partition [7:42102]
Step 1 - Log into the router via the console port using Telnet or terminal emulation software. Step 2 - When the router boots up, enter the enable mode. Step 3 Erase the contents of the Flash memory partition except the one currently in use (this partition will be in the Read ONLY state in the partition listing), as shown below. router# erase flash Erase flash device, partition 2? [confirm] Are you sure? [yes/no]: y Erasing device... ...erased router# Step 4 - Enter the show flash command to verify that the desired Flash memory partitions have been erased: router# show flash You are now ready to unpartition the Flash memory. Step 5 - Enter the configuration mode and enter the partition command to create a single Flash memory partition, as follows: router(config)# partition flash 1 Step 6 - Exit the configuration mode and verify that flash memory now has a single partition, as follows: router# show flash HTH Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of paul brown Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2514 combining flash to form 1 partition [7:42102] Hi, Does anyone know if you combine two 4mb flash sticks together so you can have 1 8mb partition so you can put a larger image on it.I have attached a sh fla and was was wondering if this could be done Many thanks Paul System flash directory, partition 1: File Length Name/status 1 4146744 c2500-i-l.112-5.bin [4146808 bytes used, 47496 available, 4194304 total] 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read ONLY) System flash directory, partition 2: File Length Name/status 1 3072556 ii10340 [3072620 bytes used, 1121684 available, 4194304 total] 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42104&t=42102 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCDA exam updated- who knew [7:41263]
Looks like they changed it Jan 11, 2002 ""Andy Barkl"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > The list of exam objectives is entirely new. They didn't change the exam > name or number and there was no announcement regarding objectives > changing but they have. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCDA exam updated- who knew [7:41263] > > I looked at the site, but do not see any indication that it changed... > what > am I missing? I also looked at the retired exam page: > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/endoflif > e.htm > > Last one changed/retired was CCNA. Please let me know where I went > wrong. > I am taking this exam Monday, so I would like to be aware of any > changes! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42105&t=41263 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
Good question!! Not sure this is what you're looking for but it also says that it is based on five criteria, bandwidth and delay are the default criteria; reliability, loading and MTU are additional criteria are NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE because they result in frequent recalculation of the topology table. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael L. Williams Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 9:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103] So I'm just trying to make sure that I'm not losing it. According to Cisco, the metric calculation for IGRP is (EIGRP being the same except times 256): (K1*Bw) + (K2*Bw)/(256-Load) + (K3*Delay)*(K5/(Reliability + K4)) But then other stuff I've read says that (E)IGRP metric is calculated using Bandwidth, Load, Reliability, Delay, and MTU. For instance to set a default metric the command is: default-metric Cisco has a page on redistribution that says: "IGRP and EIGRP need five metrics when redistributing other protocols: bandwidth, delay, reliability, load and maximum transmission unit (MTU) respectively." So according to the formula above, where does MTU come into play?!?!?!? Am I missing something?!?!? If MTU isn't part of the metric calculation, why bother putting it in when setting default metrics or redistributing other protocols into (E)IGRP? I know this is a pretty "basic" question, but I was just reviewing some stuff and came across this. Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42106&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: a question about making cisco 6506 as a dhcp serve [7:14465]
ip dhcp pool Mars host 172.16.2.254 mask 255.255.255.0 hardware-address 02c7.f800.0422 ieee802 client-name Mars default-router 172.16.2.100 172.16.2.101 domain-name cisco.com dns-server 172.16.1.102 172.16.2.102 netbios-name-server 172.16.1.103 172.16.2.103 netbios-node-type h-node are you successful with it? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42107&t=14465 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
Well, reason I ask is that I was looking over a study sheet that lists the routing protocols, their type (link-state/distance-vector), their metric, etc, and it listed Bandwidth, Delay, Load, and Reliability as the components for (E)IGRP metric calculation, but something in the back of mind was going "Where's MTU?". So I started digging around Cisco's site, and found documents showing the formula for calculation (only using the 4 components listed above) but then found all of the other things regarding redistribution and default metrics that tell you to use all five (the four above plus MTU). But yes, I've often read that it's best to leave K1 = K3 = 1 and K2 = K4 = K5 = 0. However, I can't see why changing these values would result in frequent recalculation of the topology table. Wouldn't the topology table only change when there are changes to the topology? (Which it seems to me wouldn't have anything to do with the values of K1-K5 used in the metric calculation). Mike W. "Steve Watson" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Good question!! Not sure this is what you're looking for but it also > says that it is based on five criteria, bandwidth and delay are the > default criteria; reliability, loading and MTU are additional criteria > are NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE because they result in frequent > recalculation of the topology table. > > Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42108&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
MTU isn't part of the IGRP or EIGRP metric. In other words, it's not used when selecting which route is better. Although not used as part of the metric, an EIGRP router does forward MTU info to other routers and keep track of an MTU for each route. MTU is the maximum packet size that can be sent along the entire path without fragmentation. (That is, it is the minimum of the MTUs of all the networks involved in the path.) So, when doing redistribution of a route learned by some other routing protocol, you have to tell the EIGRP process info on the MTU so it knows what to use. You have to feed EIGRP the info it will carry in EIGRP route updates for this redistributed route: bandwidth, delay, reliability, load, and MTU. By the way, EIGRP also carries a hop count. It's not used for the metric either, and you don't have to feed it into EIGRP when redistribution. I guess EIGRP figures it out. Hop count is just used to avoid loops. If the router sees it increasing, it puts the route in holddown. Priscilla At 09:18 PM 4/20/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: >So I'm just trying to make sure that I'm not losing it. > >According to Cisco, the metric calculation for IGRP is (EIGRP being the same >except times 256): > >(K1*Bw) + (K2*Bw)/(256-Load) + (K3*Delay)*(K5/(Reliability + K4)) > >But then other stuff I've read says that (E)IGRP metric is calculated using >Bandwidth, Load, Reliability, Delay, and MTU. For instance to set a default >metric the command is: > >default-metric > >Cisco has a page on redistribution that says: > >"IGRP and EIGRP need five metrics when redistributing other protocols: >bandwidth, delay, reliability, load and maximum transmission unit (MTU) >respectively." > >So according to the formula above, where does MTU come into play?!?!?!? Am >I missing something?!?!? If MTU isn't part of the metric calculation, why >bother putting it in when setting default metrics or redistributing other >protocols into (E)IGRP? > >I know this is a pretty "basic" question, but I was just reviewing some >stuff and came across this. > >Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42109&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
Reliability and load are dynamically calculated. They change frequently. Their changes could cause the routing table to change too, maybe more than you would want. Delay and bandwidth are not dynamically calculated. Priscilla At 10:28 PM 4/20/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: >Well, reason I ask is that I was looking over a study sheet that lists the >routing protocols, their type (link-state/distance-vector), their metric, >etc, and it listed Bandwidth, Delay, Load, and Reliability as the components >for (E)IGRP metric calculation, but something in the back of mind was going >"Where's MTU?". So I started digging around Cisco's site, and found >documents showing the formula for calculation (only using the 4 components >listed above) but then found all of the other things regarding >redistribution and default metrics that tell you to use all five (the four >above plus MTU). > >But yes, I've often read that it's best to leave K1 = K3 = 1 and K2 = K4 = >K5 = 0. However, I can't see why changing these values would result in >frequent recalculation of the topology table. Wouldn't the topology table >only change when there are changes to the topology? (Which it seems to me >wouldn't have anything to do with the values of K1-K5 used in the metric >calculation). > >Mike W. > >"Steve Watson" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Good question!! Not sure this is what you're looking for but it also > > says that it is based on five criteria, bandwidth and delay are the > > default criteria; reliability, loading and MTU are additional criteria > > are NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE because they result in frequent > > recalculation of the topology table. > > > > Steve Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42110&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have a cow, man." >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is >much cheaper, though. :-) > >- Original Message - >From: "Manny Gonzalez" >To: "Brian Dennis" >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) >> >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up >> going for a lot more. >> >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. >> >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... >> ___ >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital >> >> >> Brian Dennis wrote: >> > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. >> > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >> > Scott Morris >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Matheus, Joshua >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers >> > without a >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious >> > enterprise >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder >> > the >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the >> > last >> > two months... $0 >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Diehm, Brian >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me >> > to >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a >> > CCIE >> > to make? >> > >> > Brian D >> > _ >> >> >> -- >> _ >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >_ >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42111&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Foreign" job sites? (Non-North American) [7:41927]
The market is pretty tight in NZ and Australia at the moment..and while there are good positions, they are paying 50-70K for a CCNP and 80K+ for a CCIE, the Ozzie and NZ dollar a quite weak compared to the US$, so that 100K job is only 50K US$ and the price of your exams, study materials and a home lab ( that I don't have because I simply can't afford it ) also double or triple. Lots of sunshine though.. Cheers Johnny - Original Message - From: "Persio Pucci" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:35 AM Subject: Re: "Foreign" job sites? (Non-North American) [7:41927] > How about Australia (and surroundings)? Any good job site for that area? Any > insider? ;-) > > I am in Brazil, CCNP studying for CCIE (and later I pretend to get a Voice > specialization) and I really consider to look for a job there... :) > > Regards! > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter I. Racz" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: "Foreign" job sites? (Non-North American) [7:41927] > > > > Hi all, > > > > My name is Peter and this is my first post, but I read the last 3000 > > messages... Great place, I am happy I can be here. > > > > Sean, there is a "Groupstudy Japan" mail list, and it is called > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have to register first though at > > egroups.co.jp You should drop a mail there. I am in Osaka. Let me know > > if I can be any more help. > > > > Peter > > > > Sean Knox wrote: > > > > >Hi all, where can I find links to out of county job sites? (in > particular, > > >Japan)Dice and Monster just are not cutting it and I was hoping some list > > >members could provide some insight. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Sean > > >. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42112&t=41927 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I took the beta (351-001) [7:42113]
I took the beta this afternoon, just to see how it compared to 350-001. I would like to share my perceptions; but please don't e-mail asking me to break the NDA, I won't. I found it to be significantly more challenging then the old exam, requiring you to know the topics covered much more deeply then before. I would be surprised if there isn't a considerable drop-off in the pass rate if what I saw today is any indication of what the ready-for-prime-time version is when it comes out. Finally some of the older technologies are dropping off, and as you can see from the blueprint, new technologies have been added. I also noticed that the questions have matured quite a bit, as if they pushed back some of the lab problems that were dropped in the transition to the one-day format. If you miss the troubleshooting section of the lab; you'll enjoy seeing it here. Keep in mind I've got a book out, as well as being one of the boson authors, so I have a vested interest here - but my advice would be that if you are anywhere near ready, start cramming to take the old version before it goes away. If you doubt my sincerity, spend the $50 and see if I'm kidding about the new exam. Again, without breaking the NDA - I'd be curious if anybody had a different experience. Perhaps I perceived it as harder just because I've spent so much time living with the old exam. Good luck all... -=- Dennis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42113&t=42113 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
I'd expect that the values they are multiplied by would change if they are truly based upon data derived from the interface counters, which are certainly subject to potentially vast fluctuations in absence of topology changes Real-world confirmation anyone? - Original Message - From: "Michael L. Williams" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103] > Well, reason I ask is that I was looking over a study sheet that lists the > routing protocols, their type (link-state/distance-vector), their metric, > etc, and it listed Bandwidth, Delay, Load, and Reliability as the components > for (E)IGRP metric calculation, but something in the back of mind was going > "Where's MTU?". So I started digging around Cisco's site, and found > documents showing the formula for calculation (only using the 4 components > listed above) but then found all of the other things regarding > redistribution and default metrics that tell you to use all five (the four > above plus MTU). > > But yes, I've often read that it's best to leave K1 = K3 = 1 and K2 = K4 = > K5 = 0. However, I can't see why changing these values would result in > frequent recalculation of the topology table. Wouldn't the topology table > only change when there are changes to the topology? (Which it seems to me > wouldn't have anything to do with the values of K1-K5 used in the metric > calculation). > > Mike W. > > "Steve Watson" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Good question!! Not sure this is what you're looking for but it also > > says that it is based on five criteria, bandwidth and delay are the > > default criteria; reliability, loading and MTU are additional criteria > > are NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE because they result in frequent > > recalculation of the topology table. > > > > Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42114&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111]
A friend of mine bought a 2-bedroom apartment in New York, cost him $500,000. And he has to share bathroom with his neighbor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary [7:42111] The new direction of this thread may bring new significance to "have a cow, man." >Hey, we pay about the same price for milk in the Raleigh area. Housing is >much cheaper, though. :-) > >- Original Message - >From: "Manny Gonzalez" >To: "Brian Dennis" >Cc: "'Ccielab (E-mail)'" >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary > > >> Sorry Brian, we New Yorkers got you beat... A studio in a decent part of >> Manhattan either sells for $1,000,000 or rents for at least $2500/month. >> That is the lower end of the spectrum. Around the Battery Park City area >> (one block from the former World Trade Center site) there are [bargains] >> now they say for $3500 a month :-) >> >> In the outskirts, a DECENT house (not a real big or super nice one) can >> easily go for $400,000 and 90% of the time there is a fight and ends up >> going for a lot more. >> >> The 1, 2, 3, 4 million dollar homes are actually more abundant in the >> real estate listings than lesser priced homes. >> >> However, my usual gauge for cost of living ANYWHERE is the price of a >> standard gallon of milk. In my neighborhood, it is $3.25 a gallon... >> ___ >> Manny Gonzalez . CCIE# 9013 >> CORE Resources ... NY Presbyterian Hospital >> >> >> Brian Dennis wrote: >> > >> > Here in the San Jose area you can forget about living on $65k a year. >> > There are mobile homes that cost over $200k out here. >> > >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP Dial) >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of >> > Scott Morris >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:35 PM >> > To: 'Matheus, Joshua'; 'Dennis'; 'Ccielab (E-mail)' >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Isn't $65k poverty level in New York? >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Matheus, Joshua >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:50 PM >> > To: 'Dennis'; Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: RE: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > In New York the range can go from 65K to 250K. This is for a technical >> > person not a "manager type". Right now I would say that 4 numbers >> > without a >> > good Science/Engineering Bachelors and 4 - 7 years of prestigious >> > enterprise >> > experience will lead to the 0$ figure very quickly. It makes you ponder >> > the >> > old days (2 years ago) when you were worth your weight in platinum! >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:01 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: Way OT: RE: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Well, I can tell you the lowest... it's what I've been making in the >> > last >> > two months... $0 >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >> > Diehm, Brian >> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:27 AM >> > To: Ccielab (E-mail) >> > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary >> > >> > Was looking at the topic of "what did your employer pay" and it got me >> > to >> > wondering. What is the Lowest and Highest salary you have ever known a >> > CCIE >> > to make? >> > >> > Brian D >> > _ >> >> >> -- >> _ >> Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >> Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. >_ >Commercial lab list: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/commercial.html >Please discuss commercial lab solutions on this list. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42115&t=42111 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955]
I'm not sure that I've ever seen anyone succeed at scenario type-2 without spending quality time with packet captures (this is, of course, a non-trivially different population that the set of individuals who merely BELIEVE that they have succeeded at scenario type-20). A lab presents a great opportunity for this type of study, because you can see what some might consider to be low-level (though not as low level as, say, the presence or absence of electrical current) consequences of configuration changes, reinforcing any theoretical knowledge you might have gleaned beforehand. Scenario type-1 sounds like it might be amenable to an approach involving automated enumeration, or some very mechanical manual procedure, at leat for the less abstract topics or at the very beginning of study. - Original Message - From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: Scenario Design: Comments Invited [7:41955] > I'd like to start a discussion on the design of two kinds of scenarios: > 1. lab preparation. (problem recognition, speed building, > interaction among many protocols, time pressure, etc.) > 2. In-depth understanding of protocols (seeing the effects of > alternative configurations, learning how to solve specific > problems with specific technologies). Pure tutorials on > technologies complement these hands-on experiences. > > The two requirements, of course, are not mutually exclusive. #3 are > scenarios that either statically or dynamically switch between the > modes. > > It is my hope that this will stimulate community discussion involving > both people who use scenarios and people who write them. > > Now, a disclaimer: I work for Gettlabs and Gett Communications, the > former of which runs a virtual rack service. Gettlabs itself uses an > open-source model for its own scenarios, as does Fatkid and some > others. Gettlabs has partnerships with IPexpert and > CertificationZone, which sell scenarios and supplemental materials. > My comments here are intended to be neutral, and I will listen, learn > and share with competitors. I have discussed my intentions with Paul > Borghese, and one of our agreements is that this is eligible to stay > off the commercial list as long as I make free scenarios available. > > 1. Lab Preparation > --- > > Above all, these have to prepare you for pressure and ambiguity. > > A fairly basic question: should all lab preparation scenarios be of > 8-plus hour length, or two four-hour segments (forcing the disruption > of a lunch break)? Alternatively, is it acceptable to have sets of > sub-scenarios that build on one another, so you can practice for an > amount of time you have available, then pick up later on? > > I think it's a given that all you should be given is the addressing, > etc., in the one day lab, plus instructions on what you should do, > restrictions (e.g., no statics), and some criteria for judging > success. Estimated completion times/points also are important. > > An interesting question, however, is whether the scenario should > include some of the sorts of things where it is fair (based on > non-NDA statements of Cisco policy and the variations in proctors) to > ask a proctor a question. Should such points include things where > variously the proctor will and will not answer, or even, in marginal > cases, flip a software coin to see if the proctor will answer)? > > I believe it's realistic to be able to see a solved configuration, > but, when you see it, you either should have demonstrated successful > operation or accepted that you will accept losing points to be able > to go on. > > I do not think that hints are appropriate in a lab preparation > scenario, with the caveat that this sort of thing is quite > appropriate to technology learning, and, as I suggested in #3 above, > scenarios could be developed (possibly with a specific execution > engine) that let you switch between preparation and learning modes, > and even back. > > 2. Technology Learning > --- > > My general approach to designing such things is again to start with > instructions, initialization, etc., but to break the exercise into > relatively small steps. Each step will have hints available, and > will be fairly small so you can look at the successive changes to the > configuration that move you closer to your goal. > > One difference comes with the physical presentation of the scenario. > If it is a printed document, should the hints be in-line with the > text, or in a separate section so you will use them only if needed? > If the latter, should they be on separate pages or at least have > significant "spoiler space" between them so you don't inadvertently > get an unfair clue to what is coming next? > > If the scenario is running interactively, should hints and hint > answers only be available with a specific user action (clicking a > link, opening a file, e
Re: Simple (E)IGRP Metric Question [7:42103]
coming to check Groupstudy, I was going though a CCIE practice exam, and it asks "What's used by EIGRP to determine the best path?" and for the answer it lists all five items, not just the four (that we all agree are used in metric computation). Now, given that we know the formula for the EIGRP metric (that doesn't include MTU), and given the recent thread about which routes are used in the routing table (i.e. routes with the longest mask, lowest AD, etc), would you agree that the above sample question is incorrect, or does EIGRP actually use MTU to aid in determining the best path? If so, how/where? I'd like to know so I can get on to other issues like MPLS, etc before I take this beta =) Regarding my comment about the recalculations related to K1-K5, I got it now.. At first I was like "Why would there by any more recalcs than normal", but as Kevin pointed out, load, etc can vary over time, whereas bandwidth and delay are constant. Second, I was thinking "Okay, then I can see that causing recalcs that affect the routing table, but the topology table?", so I hopped into an EIGRP router and with "show ip eigrp top" saw where I wasn't thinking. The topology table not only keeps the metric for a given route and it's feasible successor, etc so yeah... now I get it =) I'm slow sometimes, but I usually come around =) Mike W. "Priscilla Oppenheimer" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Reliability and load are dynamically calculated. They change frequently. > Their changes could cause the routing table to change too, maybe more than > you would want. Delay and bandwidth are not dynamically calculated. "Kevin Cullimore" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'd expect that the values they are multiplied by would change if they are > truly based upon data derived from the interface counters, which are > certainly subject to potentially vast fluctuations in absence of topology > changes Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42117&t=42103 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: accesslist.....bgp [7:42098]
we give up. post the access-list ""Stanzin Takpa"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi , > I came across a strange situation. > I am running bgp b/w two routers(cisco). Whenever I configure access-list > on one of the router,the bgp routes from the router on which I configure acl > are getting disappearin 'sh ip routes ' > and I am not able to ping from one n/w to the other . > > What could be the problem / > > > Stanz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42118&t=42098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Ok, I've been following this thread for a while and I have a stupid question. How is a CCIE certification comparable to an MBA? I guess I don't understand this because I am in the military and am not exposed to the environment where this would be relevant. It seems to me that an individual who has an MBA is the office/sit at a desk type of person, whereas an individual with a CCIE is neck-deep in technology and getting their hands dirty. Am I off-base here? I sure don't want to offend anyone with my ignorance of the subject. I am actively persuing my CCIE certification having earned my CCNP yesterday! I am also 5 classes away from finishing my Bachelor's degree. I would be interested to know if I need both the MBA and the CCIE, because I definitely plan on earning the CCIE. Thanks, as always, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tarek Sabry Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 4:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] But it's good to know that employer-sponsorship still happens. I had my MBA classes sponsored at my previous 2 employers. I'm sure my current one will do it too, but it just doesn't feel right to ask for it in such economy. Our stock is OK but the environment is not very encouraging. Anyway back to my CCIE quest for now! Tarek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of adam lee Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school won't let you play.:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front, take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the class. books were not included. My employer at the time was a major brokerage firm. My current employer ( a telco ) offers a similar program. It can take one a long time, doing it this way - night classes. We used to call it the "ten year plan" :-> HTH ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? You > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > Thanks > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42101&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How close to the real Lab ????? [7:42094]
Brad, The following is the list of equipment available to me and following the fatkid layout, what else do I need: 3600 (8 serials, 4 Ethernet) - acting as my frame-relay R1 2611 (2 Ethernet, 1 WIC(serial), 1 WIC available[will buy a WIC-1B-S/T for the isdn]) R2 ROUTER(R3) is not available, I will buy a 2504 ROUTER (R4) is not available, I will buy a 2513 2501 (1AUI, TWO SERIALS) R5 2610 (1 Fast Ethernet, 1 WIC serial) R6 2501 (1AUI, TWO SERIALS) R7 2509 (1 AUI, TWO SERIALS, Async-1-8) - Terminal Server CAT 5500 Supervisor II 3 CAT 1900 1 CAT 2900 One 7200 vxr (One fast Ethernet channel, 1 Multichannel T1, One Enhanced ATM) PIX 501 Other equipments like laptops, sun, mac, t-berd, hub.. What do I am missing here, CAT 3900, isdn simulator, token ring cards for the laptop, cables. What do you think, your advised is very appreciated. Thanks, JB -Original Message- From: CiscoB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How close to the real Lab ? [7:42094] Juan, Here's what I typically sell/recommend for a minumum CCIE kit: 2x 2501s 2x 2503s (for ISDN) 1x 2511 (reverse telnet AS) 3x 2513s (TR/Ether) 1x 2522 (frame-switch) ISDN Simulator Catalyst 5k switch (or switch that runs cat5k OS) 3900 TR Switch software simulator misc cables, maus, media fitlers, etc That's a good starter kit. If you want to add voice and ISL trunking, add a couple of 2600 series routers and the appropriate modules. I'd recommend getting practice with ATM on a remote rack. A few days usually does the trick. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net ""Juan Blanco"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Team, > I am in the process of completing my personal lab, I am building it base on > the FATKID rack. My question is how close the hardware used on the FATKID is > to the real lab. Will this layout be enough or I will need to buy other > equipment as well. > > Thanks, > > JB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42100&t=42094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How close to the real Lab ????? [7:42094]
Juan, Here's what I typically sell/recommend for a minumum CCIE kit: 2x 2501s 2x 2503s (for ISDN) 1x 2511 (reverse telnet AS) 3x 2513s (TR/Ether) 1x 2522 (frame-switch) ISDN Simulator Catalyst 5k switch (or switch that runs cat5k OS) 3900 TR Switch software simulator misc cables, maus, media fitlers, etc That's a good starter kit. If you want to add voice and ISL trunking, add a couple of 2600 series routers and the appropriate modules. I'd recommend getting practice with ATM on a remote rack. A few days usually does the trick. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net ""Juan Blanco"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Team, > I am in the process of completing my personal lab, I am building it base on > the FATKID rack. My question is how close the hardware used on the FATKID is > to the real lab. Will this layout be enough or I will need to buy other > equipment as well. > > Thanks, > > JB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42096&t=42094 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Method and Process Scenario 3: OSPF Multihoming [7:42088]
This is interesting. I work in very operational enviroment so thinking of accomplishing this task from a standpoint other than configuration requirements leaves me blank. See Inline.. >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Method and Process Scenario 3: OSPF Multihoming [7:42088] >Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:47:06 -0400 > >Your enterprise runs OSPF internally and only takes default from one >ISP, but at multiple POPs. What would this suggest you could do to >achieve a degree of load-sharing among the POPs? Some questions I would ned answered would be.. - What is the routing policy of the ISP? - My second thought would be "what is the IP scheme of the enterprise?" - At what point upstream does the ISP aggregate it's route-space? - Look at using static/conditional routes or implement an IGP routing domain.(entISP) - Look at possible route summarization based on POP geographical location - Enterprise network can use VLSM to control return traffic by assigning specific traffic flows to primary/alternate designated POPs. I'm I totally lost.. :-> Nigel >Assume you do not run BGP. What can you do and what are its limitations? > >Don't focus on the configuration commands as what mechanisms will be misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42119&t=42088 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: accesslist.....bgp [7:42098]
Stanzin, Chuck, I had this happen to me the other day when one of our engineers made a change to the ACL on one of our BGP peer connections. Typically all the ACLs are the same on all of our BGP connections, so when trouble shooting the problem some assumtions were made. The problem ended up being that on a number of our connections we use the provider space to p-t-p connections. A few of the other connections are made using our own IP space. The engineer forgot to add a permit statement to the ACL to allow for the p-t-p links. Although there was a "permit ip any any" at the end of the list, the anti-spoofing part of the ACL that read "deny ip 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 any" denied the BGP peering relationship. This also filtered all icmp traffic as well. The other interesting thing here is the local interface could not be ping'd as well...:-> We get to have to much fun I think.. P.S. Chuck what's been going on? Drop me a line.. Nigel >From: "Chuck" >Reply-To: "Chuck" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: accesslist.bgp [7:42098] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:17:18 -0400 > >we give up. post the access-list > > >""Stanzin Takpa"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi , > > I came across a strange situation. > > I am running bgp b/w two routers(cisco). Whenever I configure access-list > > on one of the router,the bgp routes from the router on which I configure >acl > > are getting disappearin 'sh ip routes ' > > and I am not able to ping from one n/w to the other . > > > > What could be the problem / > > > > > > Stanz > > > > >Message Posted at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42118&t=42098 >-- >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42120&t=42098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
""William Gragido"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of someone > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in the > business world. You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut and pasted it from the site I posted it before: "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards of Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost invariably, those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT, Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily well-educated management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly useful (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), then why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft management team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that degree." > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > nrf > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, a > CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want > out of life. > > However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company that > is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to take > it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees as > you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. > > > > ""Wes Stevens"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am > > perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss with > > the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid off > at > > 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up > there > > in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a job. > I > > work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this > > economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back from > > 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in > > Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My > boss > > and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local > > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the > > company as they are cutting back everywhere. > > > > Just some food for thought. > > > > > > >From: "nrf" > > >Reply-To: "nrf" > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 > > > > > >""Drew"" wrote in message > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Sean Knox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, I > > >am > > > > > content with that for now and and getting more experience > (fortunately > > >I > > >am > > > > > not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this > > >awhile). > > > > > Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks. I had > > > > planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't work > > > > enough with Cisco products on a daily basis, and certainly not with > > > > routing in a complex way, to feel that I would deserve the cert, even > > > > if I attained it. I'm going back to school for my MS in CS, starting > > > > classes in June. > > > > > > > > I think in the long run, an advanced degree is more of a benefit than > > > > an advanced vendor cert. But thats just me. > > > > > >Exactly. Especially later in your life. Fiddling with Cisco boxes might > > >be > > >cool now, but do you still want to be doing that when you're 50? > Probably > > >not, you probably want to be sitting
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
""Kevin Cullimore"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A fair amount of people who focused their academic pursuits on "natural > sciences"/mathematics work in the private sector. Some of them have jobs > which apply concepts & concrete knowledge that was part of their curriculum. > Some of them pusued a masters because they could actually learn something > about their field of interest (which can be profoundly hard to do within > undergrad programs) or it helped advance their pursuit of compensation or > responsibility. Some really competent Masters students opted to not pursue > PhDs because of the prospects of divorce and minimal returns based on their > current job status. If they can't pass the quals, I'm not sure the > conferring of the Masters is in order. Conversely, there are PLENTY of good > reasons to NOT let someone in a PhD. program even if they CAN or DO pass > their quals. On the other hand, many of those master's degrees guys really were guys who couldn't pass their quals. So whether you had a legitimate reason for getting a master's degree or not doesn't really matter in terms of getting a job or for professional prestige or whatever - you will be deemed 'guilty by association' by being lumped together with a bunch of, shall we say, rejects. Is that unfair? Yeah, it is. But that's life. Surely you realize that HR and other hiring directors often make decisions based on what's on a piece of paper, and you therefore have no chance to explain the details of your situation to them. The fact is, you are judged by the people you associate with. If you associate with a bunch of thugs and criminals, you shouldn't be surprised when people think you are a criminal yourself. Now, I'm not saying that master's degree holders are criminals, it's just an example I'm using. I'm just saying that if you associate yourself in a group of people for which there are indeed a large proportion on PhD failures, then people will often jump to the conclusion that you are also one yourself. > > I've encountered plenty of cases where better experiences can be had with > Mathematics BS grads than CS MS grads, because the math folk don't assume > that four years of algorithms & programming (and ponentially many other > topics except real-world microcomputer-based support & networking > issues-diclaimer, I'm aware that that is changing at the painfully slow pace > that most curriculms adhere to when reforming themselves, but the damage is > done) entitle them to godlike status where their intuitions concerning > technologies, formal systems and issues that they have had NO PRACTICAL > experience with are concerned. As far as the CS folk in question are > concerned, since they already know everything, they can be VERY difficult to > train. (I'm aware of the existence of exceptions, but they are not the ones > making laughingstocks of their respective IT groups, so they do not occupy > as prominent a place in my consciousness) > > It's interesting that you align CS with engineering, since the > knowledge-gathering aspect of CS adheres better to the rhetoric and ideals > of the natural sciences ever could, due to the nature of the subject matter. Well, then I suppose you would also find it interesting to note that the vast majority of American universities (don't know about Europe) also lump CS into their engineering departments, rather than into their science departments . Surely there is a reason for this. > > Dragging back in the original question, the CCIE somewhat affirms the > ability to perform hands-on work and apply concepts in unfamiliar contexts > with success slightly quicker than random trial and error generally produce > in a vendor-specific state-space. Its ameliorative influence upon your > career is somewhat dependent upon Cisco's success, IT's success and your > personal goals. I see high level networking jobs where a masters in computer > science is a prerequisite for having your resume read (very effecient, > since it reveals two things: that human resource folk still misunderstand > that you can sneak by a CS program without an acceptable understanding of > how electrical patterns present on one computing device can magically be > made to replicate themselves on a remote computing device through the > wonders of networking, and that the employer in question is explicitly > choosing to use a filter that will quickly reduce the numbers of resumes > that have to actually be read, even though that might rule out some of the > best candidates). Whether or not the hands-on and advanced conceptual > knowledge are relevant to higher-level jobs is industry & even company > dependent, but you can bet that if a company can make it irrelevant so that > they don't have to compensate you for that knowledge, they will. An MBA is > supposed to provide you with the cognitive wherewithal to lead the overall > success of business efforts, which in many cases requires leader
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
one answer to your question might be that real management skills are still required to run the business. another might be that the venture capitalists and the investment bankers required what they deemed as qualified managers to be part of the management team. there can be substantial differences in the skill sets required to be an entrepreneur, visionary, leader, and the skill sets of professional managers. Even innovative tech companies need both. Chuck ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of someone > > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in > the > > business world. > > You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. > > Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've > developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut > and pasted it from the site I posted it before: > > "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are > indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves > strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, > surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, > Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet > interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards of > Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost invariably, > those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else > generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the > most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT, > Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations > of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates > himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily well-educated > management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly useful > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), then > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft management > team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that > degree." > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > nrf > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > > > > I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, > a > > CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want > > out of life. > > > > However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company > that > > is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to > take > > it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees > as > > you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. > > > > > > > > ""Wes Stevens"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am > > > perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss > with > > > the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid > off > > at > > > 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up > > there > > > in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a > job. > > I > > > work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this > > > economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back > from > > > 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in > > > Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My > > boss > > > and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local > > > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the > > > company as they are cutting back everywhere. > > > > > > Just some food for thought. > > > > > > > > > >From: "nrf" > > > >Reply-To: "nrf" > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 > > > > > > > >""Drew"" wrote in message > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Sean Knox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, > I > > > >am > > > > > > content with that for now and and getting more experience > > (fortunately > > > >I > > > >am > > > > > > not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this > > > >awhile). > > > > > > Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I made
Re: accesslist.....bgp [7:42098]
hey, Nigel, long time no hear from you. I was a bit pithy, not to mention pissy, in my response, and for that I apologize. still, it remains interesting that people will post a question like "what's wrong with my access-list" and then not post the access-list. It should be apparent that something in the access-list caused the problem. hard to help if you don't know the contents. talk to you off line. Chuck ""Nigel Taylor"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Stanzin, Chuck, >I had this happen to me the other day when one of our > engineers made a change to the ACL on one of our BGP peer > connections. Typically all the ACLs are the same on all of our BGP > connections, so when trouble shooting the problem some assumtions were > made. The problem ended up being that on a number of our connections we > use the provider space to p-t-p connections. A few of the other > connections are made using our own IP space. The engineer forgot to add a > permit statement to the ACL to allow for the p-t-p links. Although there > was a "permit ip any any" at the end of the list, the anti-spoofing part > of the ACL that read "deny ip 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 any" denied the BGP > peering relationship. This also filtered all icmp traffic as well. The > other interesting thing here is the local interface could not be ping'd > as well...:-> > > We get to have to much fun I think.. > > P.S. Chuck what's been going on? Drop me a line.. > > Nigel > > >From: "Chuck" >Reply-To: "Chuck" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: > accesslist.bgp [7:42098] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:17:18 -0400 > >we > give up. post the access-list > > >""Stanzin Takpa"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi , > > I came across > a strange situation. > > I am running bgp b/w two routers(cisco). > Whenever I configure access-list > > on one of the router,the bgp routes > from the router on which I configure >acl > > are getting disappearin 'sh > ip routes ' > > and I am not able to ping from one n/w to the other . > > > > > What could be the problem / > > > > > > Stanz > > > > >Message Posted > at: >http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42118&t=42098 > >-- >FAQ, list archives, > and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report > misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42124&t=42098 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Also, there are certain companies that offer "post"-tuition reimbursement. What I mean by that is that you attend a regular, day B-school, on your own dime, and if you do well (really well) and/or the B-school is really famous (like, for example, the Ivy League), then these companies may offer as part of their compensation package, reimbursement of the tuition you paid. Now you can just think of this as a really really big signing bonus, but for tax reasons, it is advantageous for both you and those companies to structure it as a tuition reimbursement deal. But of course, for you to accept such a deal you will be forced to sign some documents agreeing to stick with that company for x number of years, where basically you are signing yourself into indentured servitude with that company for awhile. But it still might make good financial sense, depending on the exact circumstances. ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > But it's good to know that employer-sponsorship still happens. I had my MBA > classes sponsored at my previous 2 employers. I'm sure my current one will > do it too, but it just doesn't feel right to ask for it in such economy. Our > stock is OK but the environment is not very encouraging. Anyway back to my > CCIE quest for now! > > Tarek > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > adam lee > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:53 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > Just don't get too many B-'s because the employer will pay but the school > won't let you play.:) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Chuck > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 10:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > lots of companies have tuition reimbursement programs. you pay up front, > take the class, pass with the required grade ( in my case, my employer > required a B- ( B minus ) and receive reimbursement for the cost of the > class. books were not included. > > My employer at the time was a major brokerage firm. My current employer ( a > telco ) offers a similar program. > > It can take one a long time, doing it this way - night classes. We used to > call it the "ten year plan" :-> > > HTH > > > ""Tarek Sabry"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi > > > > Just curious, are there still employers who sponsor MBA's at this time? > You > > don't even have to tell me the names but just a yes or no :) > > > > Thanks > > Tarek Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42125&t=41809 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Helpppppp [7:41796]
I'd say yes. I just did a recovery on a 2503 that had not been used in ages. When I could not do enable, I power-cycled, broke out of the boot, did an o/r 0x2142 then hit i to reload, bypassing the startup. Set new secret, wr changes, reload. Took like 60 secs. Keith On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Sean Wolfe wrote: |->With password recovery, does the console default to 81N when in |->rommon/rxboot mode? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=42126&t=41796 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > one answer to your question might be that real management skills are still > required to run the business. > > another might be that the venture capitalists and the investment bankers > required what they deemed as qualified managers to be part of the management > team. Yes I understand. But either way, you must agree that it's really neither here nor there. At the end of the day, if companies - for whatever reason - want the degree , then the degree is what you will need to provide. > > there can be substantial differences in the skill sets required to be an > entrepreneur, visionary, leader, and the skill sets of professional > managers. Even innovative tech companies need both. Absolutely. However I consider the degree a case of 'playing the percentages'. Yes, you could roll the dice and try to be the next Gates, and it might happen. But probably not. Tech companies do indeed need both pro-managers and tech visionaries. But it's not really a case of 'either-or' when a degree is involved. It's not like by getting a degree, you are forfeiting tech visionary capabilities. You can have both - you can be both a visionary and have a lot of education. In fact,not only is it possible, it is actually quite likely, because highly educated people in fact tend to tech visionaries, some important exceptions notwithstanding.Gates may have no formal education. But, for example, the guys who founded Intel were all PhD's (Noyce -MIT, Moore - Caltech, Grove - Berkeley), and they just so happened to invent rather some innovative things like, oh, I don't know, solid-state memory (DRAM) and the microprocessor (those are fairly important inventions, I would say). The Cisco router was invented by a burst of innovation from Bosack and Lerner, who just so happen to hold graduate degrees from Stanford. I could go on and on. Look, my point isn't to tell everybody to go to college, or to tell people that only the big schools matter. Not at all. Going or not going to college is a personal decision that only the individual can make. And truly it is the case the college is not right for some people. What I'm saying is that a college degree does hold substantial value, even in a historically informal industry like IT. If you choose not to go to college, that's fine, just understand that you are giving up something of value. Now you might decide that the degree is not worth the time and money it takes to do it, or whatever, and that's a perfectly valid calculation for you to make. But if you decide not to go, you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that you are not giving up anything of value, because you are. Maybe it's not enough value for you, or, based on your personal circumstances, not enough to justify a proper return-on-investment or whatever, but it's still some value we're talking about here. > > Chuck > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ""William Gragido"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of > someone > > > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in > > the > > > business world. > > > > You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. > > > > Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've > > developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut > > and pasted it from the site I posted it before: > > > > "...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are > > indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves > > strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, > > surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, > > Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet > > interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards > of > > Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost > invariably, > > those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else > > generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the > > most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, > MIT, > > Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations > > of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates > > himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily > well-educated > > management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the > > value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly > useful > > (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), > then > > why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft > management > > team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) abo
Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
It happened that Bill Gates didn't get the degree, but he had an excellent education, what it matters. Bill Gates himself in technet articles already commented on that, saying that yes, degrees (read education) is very important, contrary to what some might think. >From: "nrf" >Reply-To: "nrf" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] >Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:14:52 -0400 > >""William Gragido"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of >someone > > with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in >the > > business world. > >You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. > >Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've >developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut >and pasted it from the site I posted it before: > >"...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are >indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves >strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, >surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, >Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet >interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards of >Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost >invariably, >those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else >generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the >most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT, >Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations >of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates >himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily >well-educated >management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the >value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly >useful >(and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), >then >why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft management >team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that >degree." > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > nrf > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > > > > I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the >CxO, >a > > CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you >want > > out of life. > > > > However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company >that > > is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to >take > > it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees >as > > you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. > > > > > > > > ""Wes Stevens"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and >am > > > perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss >with > > > the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid >off > > at > > > 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up > > there > > > in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a >job. > > I > > > work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this > > > economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back >from > > > 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in > > > Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. >My > > boss > > > and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the >local > > > market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the > > > company as they are cutting back everywhere. > > > > > > Just some food for thought. > > > > > > > > > >From: "nrf" > > > >Reply-To: "nrf" > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] > > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 > > > > > > > >""Drew"" wrote in message > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Sean Knox wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my >CCNP, >I > > > >am > > > > > > content with that for now and and getting more experience > > (fortunately > > > >I > > > >am > > > > > > not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this > > > >awhile). > > > > > > Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you >luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks. I had > > > > > planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't >work > > >
