40% Ping Success [7:70327]
Ok guys here's an interesting issue. Once we got the internet circuit up, the ping was only 40% successful. Why would that be? Here's the setup: 3700 -> CSU/DSU -> DMARK -> SBC -> Service Provider. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70327&t=70327 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 40% Ping Success [7:70327]
please verify where the packets are lost...(which layer...?) Like any routing issue..2 packets may be sent from one link and 3 may be from other.. or physical layer issue (like packet loss... ) cle counters and check sh int ser ..., sh controller.. which outputs are increasing regards de - Original Message - From: "Nathan" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > Ok guys here's an interesting issue. Once we got the internet circuit > up, the ping was only 40% successful. Why would that be? > > Here's the setup: > > 3700 -> CSU/DSU -> DMARK -> SBC -> Service Provider. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70329&t=70327 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330]
I am connected to the TS //2511// On ports 5 and six I connected 2 ISDN routers //2503// The routers are called RouterA and Router B If I rename the routers to R5 and R6 I cant ping them anymore... If I rename them back again I can ping them...the line comes up and I can ping them... Can someone help me with this STRANGE thing? Thank You /2503(RouterA) (want to rename to R5) PC --> TS(2511) \2503(RouterB) (want to rename to R6) This are my configs: //2511/ ! version 11.2 service timestamps log uptime no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname 2511 ! no ip domain-lookup ip host R1 2001 1.1.1.1 ip host R2 2002 1.1.1.1 ip host R3 2003 1.1.1.1 ip host R4 2004 1.1.1.1 ip host R5 2005 1.1.1.1 ip host R6 2006 1.1.1.1 ip host R7 2007 1.1.1.1 ip host R9 2008 1.1.1.1 ip host SW3 2009 1.1.1.1 ip host SW2 2010 1.1.1.1 ip host R10 2011 1.1.1.1 ! interface Loopback0 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255 ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0 ! interface Serial0 no ip address ! no ip classless ! line con 0 line 1 16 no exec transport input all line aux 0 line vty 0 4 login ! end ///RouterA// ! version 11.2 no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname RouterA ! enable password cisco ! username RouterB password 7 030752180500 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ! interface Serial0 no ip address ! interface BRI0 ip address 196.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 90 dialer map ip 196.1.1.2 name RouterB broadcast 21 dialer-group 1 no fair-queue ppp authentication chap ppp multilink no shutdown ! no ip classless dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! line con 0 password cisco login line aux 0 line vty 0 4 login ! end ///RouterB// ! version 11.2 service timestamps debug datetime localtime no service udp-small-servers no service tcp-small-servers ! hostname RouterB ! enable password cisco ! username RouterA password 7 030752180500 isdn switch-type basic-net3 ! interface BRI0 ip address 196.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 encapsulation ppp dialer idle-timeout 90 dialer map ip 196.1.1.1 name RouterA broadcast 20 dialer-group 1 no fair-queue ppp authentication chap ppp multilink no shutdown ! no ip classless dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 password cisco login ! end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70330&t=70330 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
load sharing with failover [7:70331]
Dear All How I can apply load sharing with failover by using HSRP or any other technology if there is firewall behind the two routers please review the graph in the attached file . The problem is I can't put two default gateways in the firewall so please you advice. How I can solve this problem reversing to this url http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/619/7.html Best regards, Ali Al-Sayyed CCDA CCNP CSS Batelco Jeraisy limited Title : Platform specialist Dep: Network operation Center Tel : +966 1 419800 Ext : 3046 Mob : +966 0 56259533 Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [GroupStudy removed an attachment of type application/vnd] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70331&t=70331 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 40% Ping Success [7:70327]
Well, the only route my router sees is the directly connected router's IP. This is due to the fact that we haven't gotten BGP up yet. Also, from what I know, the serial link is the only link sending out packets. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devrim Yener KUCUK Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] please verify where the packets are lost...(which layer...?) Like any routing issue..2 packets may be sent from one link and 3 may be from other.. or physical layer issue (like packet loss... ) cle counters and check sh int ser ..., sh controller.. which outputs are increasing regards de - Original Message - From: "Nathan" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > Ok guys here's an interesting issue. Once we got the internet circuit > up, the ping was only 40% successful. Why would that be? > > Here's the setup: > > 3700 -> CSU/DSU -> DMARK -> SBC -> Service Provider. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70333&t=70327 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330]
you are using: dialer map ip 196.1.1.2 name RouterB broadcast 21 and ppp authentication chap so if you rename the routers you have 2 options: either use "ppp chap hostname and password" under the bri interfaces because the routers send the hostnames by default in ppp authentication or change the names in dialer-map after changing the router names as well regards De - Original Message - From: "Iwan Hoogendoorn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330] > I am connected to the TS //2511// > > On ports 5 and six I connected 2 ISDN routers //2503// > The routers are called RouterA and Router B > > If I rename the routers to R5 and R6 I cant ping them anymore... > > If I rename them back again I can ping them...the line comes up and I can > ping them... > > Can someone help me with this STRANGE thing? > > Thank You > > > >/2503(RouterA) (want to rename to R5) > PC --> TS(2511) >\2503(RouterB) (want to rename to R6) > > This are my configs: > > //2511/ > ! > version 11.2 > service timestamps log uptime > no service udp-small-servers > no service tcp-small-servers > ! > hostname 2511 > ! > no ip domain-lookup > ip host R1 2001 1.1.1.1 > ip host R2 2002 1.1.1.1 > ip host R3 2003 1.1.1.1 > ip host R4 2004 1.1.1.1 > ip host R5 2005 1.1.1.1 > ip host R6 2006 1.1.1.1 > ip host R7 2007 1.1.1.1 > ip host R9 2008 1.1.1.1 > ip host SW3 2009 1.1.1.1 > ip host SW2 2010 1.1.1.1 > ip host R10 2011 1.1.1.1 > ! > interface Loopback0 > ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255 > ! > interface Ethernet0 > ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0 > ! > interface Serial0 > no ip address > ! > no ip classless > ! > line con 0 > line 1 16 > no exec > transport input all > line aux 0 > line vty 0 4 > login > ! > end > > ///RouterA// > ! > version 11.2 > no service udp-small-servers > no service tcp-small-servers > ! > hostname RouterA > ! > enable password cisco > ! > username RouterB password 7 030752180500 > isdn switch-type basic-net3 > ! > interface Serial0 > no ip address > ! > interface BRI0 > ip address 196.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 > encapsulation ppp > dialer idle-timeout 90 > dialer map ip 196.1.1.2 name RouterB broadcast 21 > dialer-group 1 > no fair-queue > ppp authentication chap > ppp multilink > no shutdown > ! > no ip classless > dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit > ! > line con 0 > password cisco > login > line aux 0 > line vty 0 4 > login > ! > end > > ///RouterB// > ! > version 11.2 > service timestamps debug datetime localtime > no service udp-small-servers > no service tcp-small-servers > ! > hostname RouterB > ! > enable password cisco > ! > username RouterA password 7 030752180500 > isdn switch-type basic-net3 > ! > interface BRI0 > ip address 196.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 > encapsulation ppp > dialer idle-timeout 90 > dialer map ip 196.1.1.1 name RouterA broadcast 20 > dialer-group 1 > no fair-queue > ppp authentication chap > ppp multilink > no shutdown > ! > no ip classless > dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit > ! > line con 0 > line aux 0 > line vty 0 4 > password cisco > login > ! > end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70335&t=70330 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330]
you are using: dialer map ip 196.1.1.2 name RouterB broadcast 21 and ppp authentication chap so if you rename the routers you have 2 options: either use "ppp chap hostname and password" under the bri interfaces because the routers send the hostnames by default in ppp authentication or change the names in dialer-map after changing the router names as well regards De - Original Message - From: "Iwan Hoogendoorn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330] > I am connected to the TS //2511// > > On ports 5 and six I connected 2 ISDN routers //2503// > The routers are called RouterA and Router B > > If I rename the routers to R5 and R6 I cant ping them anymore... > > If I rename them back again I can ping them...the line comes up and I can > ping them... > > Can someone help me with this STRANGE thing? > > Thank You > > > >/2503(RouterA) (want to rename to R5) > PC --> TS(2511) >\2503(RouterB) (want to rename to R6) > > This are my configs: > > //2511/ > ! > version 11.2 > service timestamps log uptime > no service udp-small-servers > no service tcp-small-servers > ! > hostname 2511 > ! > no ip domain-lookup > ip host R1 2001 1.1.1.1 > ip host R2 2002 1.1.1.1 > ip host R3 2003 1.1.1.1 > ip host R4 2004 1.1.1.1 > ip host R5 2005 1.1.1.1 > ip host R6 2006 1.1.1.1 > ip host R7 2007 1.1.1.1 > ip host R9 2008 1.1.1.1 > ip host SW3 2009 1.1.1.1 > ip host SW2 2010 1.1.1.1 > ip host R10 2011 1.1.1.1 > ! > interface Loopback0 > ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255 > ! > interface Ethernet0 > ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0 > ! > interface Serial0 > no ip address > ! > no ip classless > ! > line con 0 > line 1 16 > no exec > transport input all > line aux 0 > line vty 0 4 > login > ! > end > > ///RouterA// > ! > version 11.2 > no service udp-small-servers > no service tcp-small-servers > ! > hostname RouterA > ! > enable password cisco > ! > username RouterB password 7 030752180500 > isdn switch-type basic-net3 > ! > interface Serial0 > no ip address > ! > interface BRI0 > ip address 196.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 > encapsulation ppp > dialer idle-timeout 90 > dialer map ip 196.1.1.2 name RouterB broadcast 21 > dialer-group 1 > no fair-queue > ppp authentication chap > ppp multilink > no shutdown > ! > no ip classless > dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit > ! > line con 0 > password cisco > login > line aux 0 > line vty 0 4 > login > ! > end > > ///RouterB// > ! > version 11.2 > service timestamps debug datetime localtime > no service udp-small-servers > no service tcp-small-servers > ! > hostname RouterB > ! > enable password cisco > ! > username RouterA password 7 030752180500 > isdn switch-type basic-net3 > ! > interface BRI0 > ip address 196.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 > encapsulation ppp > dialer idle-timeout 90 > dialer map ip 196.1.1.1 name RouterA broadcast 20 > dialer-group 1 > no fair-queue > ppp authentication chap > ppp multilink > no shutdown > ! > no ip classless > dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit > ! > line con 0 > line aux 0 > line vty 0 4 > password cisco > login > ! > end Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70334&t=70330 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330]
I do not understand what you are meaning with the first option but the second option i allready tryed ... I changed the routernames in the hostname as weel in the dialer map command...on both routers... I just dont get it... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70336&t=70330 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
design issues, suggestions please. [7:70337]
Hi all I have 3 x 2621 routers and 2 x 515 pixes. The setup I am currently running is as follow: Internet --- Router1 --- PIX1 --- DMZ --- PIX2 --- Router2 --- LAN Both routers and both PIXes are both running full access-list to protect inside interface. I have another design in mind which is: Internet --- Router1 --- PIX1 --- Router2 --- LAN | | Router3 | | DMZ I prefer this design which I can use the other pix for failover and also, I still can run access-list on both Router2 and Router3. Is the second one a better design? I can't see much point running 2 pixes with the same model on the first diagram. I would more agree to have dual firewall in diagram 1 if the second firewall is a different firewall product. Does anyone have any comment on this? Thanks. Christian. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70337&t=70337 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
This constant blare of prejudicial bias in favor of "college ed" and to the definite disfavor of "certification" seems to come most intensely from your address. The undertext is always the same: "Go to college." Is there a career-oriented quasi-political interest element at play here somewhere? Do you have a vested interest in recruiting people into college programs? I am just asking speculative and rhetorical questions with the hope of shedding some light on this mysterious phenomenon of one-sided expression of "concern for the (alleged) degradation of" in this case certification programs. The CCIE itself, once dubbed the "doctorate of networking" is now under attack, and there have been numerous posts, only by NRF, dedicated to this topic. It is as though there is a one man crusade in progress here. 1. If CCIE or any other sort of education is suffering from "degradation and devaluation" due to the "oversaturation of test-related information" on the Internet, then the same argument can be made to the detriment of the University. Why else would you have entire "net anti-plagiarist policing" firms offering their services to universities to guard against "copy and paste" term papers? 2. Any such argument that attempts to "emphasize the value of college education" at the expense of the certification tracks offered by MS, Cisco, or anyone else is doomed to be subjected to equally potent counter-arguments. The sad fact is that the Internet itself, ironically, has opened the door to billions of pages of information (thus, the "info highway"), a good portion of which will have its various corrupting effects. Any insistence on the superiority of one program over the other due to some "integrity" benchmark will only yield endless cycles of worhtless arguments. I for one am still going through the pains of recertification, and I will do so joyfully (nope, without cheat sheets or "practice tests"). But, the good news is that I am also enrolling for CS degree (actually IT managment) next fall!---:) p.s. The CCIEs that I have had the privilege of working with in the field have proven themselves to be experts time and time again. They are still very valuable in the marketplace. Myths are the only thing that can taint that. As far as I have seen, judging by the failure rate among quite competent colleagues of mine, the lab is still the lab. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] garrett allen wrote: > > you make an a priori argument that lower is better. is a lower > number > cpa better than a higher numbered one? You got me wrong. I didn't say that lower is better at all times. Read my entire post again. I said that more rigorous equates to prestige. This is why I included my example of what would happen if Cisco decided to change the CCIE exam to become extremely rigorous - then eventually people would prize "high-number" CCIE's who passed the more rigorous version. The fact is, prestige follows rigor. If something is more rigorous, then it becomes rigorous and vice versa. This is why graduating from MIT is more prestigious than graduating from Podunk Community College. But the fact is, the CCIE on the whole has probably gotten more rigorous (i.e. chopping the test from 2 days to 1, eliminating the dedicated troubleshooting section, more bootcamps/braindumps, more cheating, etc. etc.) which is why it has become less prestigious. >actually, probably the > inverse > is true as the more recent the certification the more recent > the > material covered. this is balanced against with age comes > opportunities and experiences. Unfortunately, the free market disagrees with you. The fact is, a growing number of recruiters, headhunters, and HR people are starting to give preference to lower-number CCIE's. Go check out the groupstudy.jobs forum. Yet I have never heard of any recruiter giving preference to higher-number CCIE. It's always one-way, and that's my point. > > threads like this are like discussing the maximum number of > angels > dancing on the head of a pin. i vote we kill the thread before > it > spawn. > > later. > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: n rf > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:16 pm > Subject: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] > > > Well, there are still less than 10,000 CCIE's. So the > population > > hasn'taccelerated THAT dramatically. > > > > Having said that, I will say that the CCIE has most likely > gotten > less > > rigorous and therefore less valuable over time. I know this > is > > going to > > greatly annoy some people when I say this, but the truth is, > the > > averagequality of the later (read: high-number) CCIE's is > probably > > lower than the > > average quality of the higher (read: lower-number) CCIE's. > > > > Before any of you high-number CCIE's decides to flame me, ask > > yourself i
Frame Switch [7:70338]
I have a router with 4 serial int. I want to configure it to act as a frame-relay switch. I how can I accomplish this? Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70338&t=70338 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]
This whole thread has a whole LOL effect to it does it not? This seems to pop up every 6/8 weeks or so on GS... I mean anyone who has been in the business for any amount of time will be able to see through bullshit factor be (he/she) CCIE or not. Thats really what is at the heart of this thread is it not? Is CCIE really king of the hill or not? I say out loud - NOT! An individual who has just achieved CCIE is going to be "hot" or should I say peaked in their skill sets -Cisco wise. But does that translate into "real world experience" or not? Not really. There is a CCIE training website that lists an individual who achieved CCIE with ONLY 6 months training. (I'm not naming names but there's one for NFR.) OK, I have a simple solution to the perception of CCIE and experience question quasi CCIE after # so and so is not really a CCIE at the same level as CCIE# blah blah. Here's a couple of off the wall interview questions that will throw the uninitiated into doldrums - CCIE or NOT! How many CCIE's can explain why Sam Halabi is NOT a CCIE and why they worship him so How many CCIE's know who Tony Li is and upon who's door that he nailed his resignation letter upon??? For those who keep belittling the CCIE or that Cisco should create a super CCIE - there already is - it's called a Cisco Fellow... Headhunters are nothing more than used car sales people...IMHO... Enough said... - Original Message - From: "The Road Goes Ever On" To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: number of CCIE [7:70151] > some comments are meant in good fun, others are of more serious source. pray > do not take offense, as none is intended. > > ""n rf"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sigh. I knew this was going to happen. > > so why'd you bring it up in the first place? :-> > > > > > Gentlemen, this is why I posted such a long response, because I wanted you > > all to be honest with yourselves. I could have just said what I had to > say > > straight-up, without any explanation, but I felt (and obviously with a lot > > of justification) that I needed to do a lot of explaining. Just ask > > yourself the question - if you had a high-number, would you want to trade > it > > for a lower number? You know in your heart what you want, even if you > don't > > want to admit it on this board. Answer the question and be perfectly > honest > > with yourself. > > most of us on this list would take any number we could get! ;-> > > > > > Somebody asked whether employers are asking for lower numbers. You're > damn > > right they are. Several recruiters, headhunters, and HR people have > stated > > that they give preference lower-number CCIE's. In fact, you may have seen > > this several times on the groupstudy.jobs ng. Yet I have never ever seen > a > > recruiter saying that he gives preference a higher-number CCIE. Why is > > that? Why is it only one-way? I tend not to believe in coincidences - > when > > there's smoke, there's probably fire. > > > so there are some idiot recruiters who are lockstepping with what thweir > idiot employer / clients are asking for. I can recall when CCNA became all > the rage, and there were some employers / recruiters who were turning down > people with CCNP's. Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. > As a job seeker, it behooves someone to focus on identifying the kind of > people they want to work with and for, and those who should be avoided. > > > > > Somebody also asked what number CCIE I am. Well, what exactly does that > > have to do with anything? Because I may or may not be a low-number CCIE, > > that somehow affects the truth of my arguments? Either they're true or > > they're not. Who I am has nothing to do with it. Why the ad-hominem > > attacks? Why can't people debate things simply on the merits of the > > argument, rather than calling into question people's motives? Hell, if > you > > want to go down the road of ad-hominem attacks, I could just as easily say > > that all my detractors are or will be high-number CCIE's and so therefore > > all their arguments should be ignored because their motives are also > > questionable. But I don't do that. > > in general I respect your observations. I agree with this particular > comment. I believe your own particular status is irrelevant. I believe the > source is typical human nature. Just because someone has achieved something > does not necessarily mean their observation or opinion is more valid than > those of someone who has not. But human nature being what it is, many people > tend to take the advice of someone with the numbers or letters after tha > name as better than that of someone who does not. > > > > > > And when did I ever compare networking to a software company? Seems like > a > > complete non-sequitur to me. > > > > About me 'devaluing' networking - how could I really doing that? Are you > > saying it's my fault that networking is devalued? Se
Re: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330]
based on the fact that it was working before changing the hostnames the issue should be related to authentication please just collect the following 3 debugs and you will see the problem more probably in authentication. (like the hostnames are case sensitive) debug isdn q931 deb ppp neg den ppp authen regards De - Original Message - From: "Iwan Hoogendoorn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Can't ping anymore if i rename routernames [7:70330] > I do not understand what you are meaning with the first option but the > second option i allready tryed ... > > I changed the routernames in the hostname as weel in the dialer map > command...on both routers... > > I just dont get it... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70339&t=70330 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: 40% Ping Success [7:70327]
what kind of circuit is it and is the success rate the same regardless of the destination address pinged? - Original Message - From: Nathan Date: Sunday, June 8, 2003 7:09 am Subject: RE: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > Well, the only route my router sees is the directly connected router's > IP. This is due to the fact that we haven't gotten BGP up yet. Also, > from what I know, the serial link is the only link sending out > packets. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Devrim Yener KUCUK > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 2:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > > > please verify where the packets are lost...(which layer...?) > > Like any routing issue..2 packets may be sent from one link and 3 > may be > from other.. or physical layer issue (like packet loss... ) cle > countersand check sh int ser ..., sh controller.. which outputs > are increasing > > regards > > de > > > - Original Message - > From: "Nathan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:01 AM > Subject: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > > > > Ok guys here's an interesting issue. Once we got the internet > circuit > > up, the ping was only 40% successful. Why would that be? > > > > Here's the setup: > > > > 3700 -> CSU/DSU -> DMARK -> SBC -> Service Provider. > Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70344&t=70327 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Frame Switch [7:70338]
Try this link at FatKid: http://www.fatkid.com/html/frame_relay_switch.html Jamie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Manny Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Frame Switch [7:70338] I have a router with 4 serial int. I want to configure it to act as a frame-relay switch. I how can I accomplish this? Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70343&t=70338 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 40% Ping Success [7:70327]
By 40%, is the pattern more .!.!. or !!... ? Something we often miss is that packet loss really needs to be characterized not just by total drops per unit time, but by drop distribution (e.g., "burstiness"). Alternating drops, for example, may indicate a problem where you are load-sharing over two paths and something is wrong with only one path. Specifications for SONET, etc. error rates usually involve total errors, errored seconds, and severely errored seconds. In the X.25 world, an error rate of 1 in 10**5 can be insignificant if the errors are a burst every minute or so, but catastrophic if they are evenly distributed and causing an error in almost every frame. At 11:09 AM + 6/8/03, Nathan wrote: >Well, the only route my router sees is the directly connected router's >IP. This is due to the fact that we haven't gotten BGP up yet. Also, >from what I know, the serial link is the only link sending out packets. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Devrim Yener KUCUK >Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 2:15 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > > >please verify where the packets are lost...(which layer...?) > >Like any routing issue..2 packets may be sent from one link and 3 may be >from other.. or physical layer issue (like packet loss... ) cle counters >and check sh int ser ..., sh controller.. which outputs are increasing > >regards > >de > > >- Original Message - >From: "Nathan" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:01 AM >Subject: 40% Ping Success [7:70327] > > >> Ok guys here's an interesting issue. Once we got the internet circuit > >> up, the ping was only 40% successful. Why would that be? >> >> Here's the setup: >> >> 3700 -> CSU/DSU -> DMARK -> SBC -> Service Provider. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70341&t=70327 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Typical Lab for CCNP [7:70342]
Hi; I am going to arrange a basic home lab to prepare myself for CCNP.My ulimate goal will be CCIE. I do know that CCNP does not have a lab exam, but I think hands on will help much to pass the exam. I already have one 1924, two 2507 (which is 2501+ethernet), and one 2520. Do I need anything else at this stage for some hands on CCNP? What will I need at the next step? I appreciate any comment. Regards, Reza Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70342&t=70342 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frame Switch [7:70338]
Thanks Jamie ""Jamie Johnson"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Try this link at FatKid: > > http://www.fatkid.com/html/frame_relay_switch.html > > Jamie > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Manny > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Frame Switch [7:70338] > > > I have a router with 4 serial int. I want to configure it to act as a > frame-relay switch. I how can I accomplish this? > > Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70345&t=70338 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Connect a BRI router to a PRI? [7:70346]
Excuse the newbie question. We have a PRI line (8 channels) with nothing attached to it (for disaster recovery). Is it possible to connect 2 BRI routers (800 series) to this line to test the line & configurations etc (dial out from one router and into the other) Thanks Stu P Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70346&t=70346 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
Jack Nalbandian wrote: > > This constant blare of prejudicial bias in favor of "college > ed" and to the > definite disfavor of "certification" seems to come most > intensely from your > address. The undertext is always the same: "Go to college." Woah, now there's something that completely came out of left field. When in any of my posts on this particular thread did I ever tell anybody to favor college over certification? I agre that in the past I have often advocated the benefits of college over certification, but not in this particular topic. And believe me, I think everybody on this board knows that I don't hold back, so if I wanted to talk about college, believe me, I would have talked about it, and done so explicitly. I've been described by many adjectives, some positive and some negative, but I don't think I've ever been described as 'subtle'. I don't believe in undertexts, I don't believe in subterfuge, and I don't believe in stealth. If something is on my mind, believe me, I'm going to say it. > > Is there a career-oriented quasi-political interest element at > play here > somewhere? Do you have a vested interest in recruiting people > into college > programs? Since you opened the door, I could very easily turn around and ask you whether you have a vested interest in cert programs? > > I am just asking speculative and rhetorical questions with the > hope of > shedding some light on this mysterious phenomenon of one-sided > expression of > "concern for the (alleged) degradation of" in this case > certification > programs. > > The CCIE itself, once dubbed the "doctorate of networking" is > now under > attack, and there have been numerous posts, only by NRF, > dedicated to this > topic. It is as though there is a one man crusade in progress > here. Only by me? Really? So nobody else has ever expressed any concerns about certs? Is that right? If I look back, I see that this whole thread was started by somebody else. I also see some rather back-handed statements about certs by people like Chuck (the road goes ever on). Howard Berkowitz is clearly no fan of certs either. > > 1. If CCIE or any other sort of education is suffering from > "degradation and > devaluation" due to the "oversaturation of test-related > information" on the > Internet, then the same argument can be made to the detriment > of the > University. Why else would you have entire "net > anti-plagiarist policing" > firms offering their services to universities to guard against > "copy and > paste" term papers? Oh you're right. But colleges have one very powerful thing going for them - the use of relative scoring, which serves as the ultimate leveling tool. Basically, there is no 'set' score that you need to get admitted to a college - you win admission by basically beating out the other candidates.So if all candidates happen to all improve due to PrincetonReview SAT prep courses or whatever, it doesn't really threaten the integrity of the program because colleges are still going to take the top candidates, whatever the term "top" happens to mean at that time. The use of relative scoring provides inherent stability to the integrity of the program. I believe that the CCIE should use something similar. But I digress... > > 2. Any such argument that attempts to "emphasize the value of > college > education" at the expense of the certification tracks offered > by MS, Cisco, > or anyone else is doomed to be subjected to equally potent > counter-arguments. The sad fact is that the Internet itself, > ironically, > has opened the door to billions of pages of information (thus, > the "info > highway"), a good portion of which will have its various > corrupting effects. > Any insistence on the superiority of one program over the other > due to some > "integrity" benchmark will only yield endless cycles of > worhtless arguments. And again, relative scoring could fix all of that. Think about this. The 'E' in CCIE stands for expert. But what does it really mean to be an expert? Think about how you use the term 'expert' in your daily life. It means to be above average in that particular field, as defined by whatever 'average' is at that particular time. Therefore the term 'expert' is inherently relative to the standards of the time. Therefore, if all of a sudden, people got substantially more educated about IP networking, then that doesn't mean that everybody suddenly becomes an expert. To be an expert in this world would mean that you would REALLY have to know a lot about IP networking. Therefore it doesn't really matter if everybody has more access to information. At the end of the day, some people will always know more than others, and it is those people who are properly defined as experts under the relative definition of the term. > > I for one am still going through the pains of recertification, > and I will do > so joyfully (nope, without cheat sheets or "practice tests"). > But, the good >
remote management of routers? [7:70349]
Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me dial into a router via the AUX port? Ryan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70349&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connect a BRI router to a PRI? [7:70346]
you can not connect a bri interface to a pri line isdn switch type, d channel , tei assignment ... is different regards devvv - Original Message - From: "Stuart Pittwood" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: Connect a BRI router to a PRI? [7:70346] > Excuse the newbie question. > > We have a PRI line (8 channels) with nothing attached to it (for > disaster recovery). > > Is it possible to connect 2 BRI routers (800 series) to this line to > test the line & configurations etc (dial out from one router and into > the other) > > Thanks > > Stu P Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70351&t=70346 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connect a BRI router to a PRI? [7:70346]
Stuart Pittwood wrote: > Is it possible to connect 2 BRI routers (800 series) to this line to > test the line & configurations etc (dial out from one router and into > the other) Not directly, no. You need at the very least something like a (smallish) PABX to take de PRI and two BRIs you need. Regards, Marco. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70350&t=70346 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Number of routes and memory usage [7:70299]
Curious wrote: > > > Hello again friends, I want to thank Mr Jvd for his help, and I > would like to post again my question, It is very surprising > that we all have been working with routers for years but there > is no answer for this question, I can evaluate the ammount of > memory used in my router for every type of route, but I would > like to learn from someone more skilled than me and test my > results :) :) The reason you're not getting an answer isn't because we're blowing you off. It's because it's too complicated for an easy answer. You'd have to talk to the IOS developers for a good answer. I have a training manual that was used to teach new IOS developers. I checked it. Although it talks a lot about memory management, it doesn't mention how much memory each route takes. For one thing, it would certainly depend on the routing protocol. EIGRP's scaled, composite metric takes more bytes than RIP's hop count, for example, although from what I learned about memory management from the developer training, memory is managed in chunks, so a few bytes probably wouldn't matter. Most of the routing protocols save more info than just the routing table. OSPF and EIGRP have a topology database, for example. So that would definitley affect memory usage. Also, unless you plan to save all of the Internet BGP routing table, it's simply not an issue. Routers have enough memory to store routing tables in most cases... So, it's not a very relevant operational questions?? If it's a research project, well get researching. Asking us won't help, I'm afraid. :-) Priscilla > > Hello folks, > > I have to evaluate the impact of adding almost 1000 routes in > my network, and what I want to know is simple: How many memory > do I need for every new router? Do you know a simle rule? What > I want to know is the relationship between the number of routes > and the memory consumption. I can evaluate know this by looking > how many routes are in may routing table and the memory used, > but I would appreciate any experience from you. > Thanks group! > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70353&t=70299 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
garrett allen wrote: > > yawn. Bored? I don't want to be overly confrontational, but if you really thought this thread was so boring that you're yawning, then why did you bother to make a rebuttal to me in the first place? The fact that you did obviously means that you don't think it's THAT boring. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70356&t=70151 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
config files in books [7:70354]
Hi guys, I have a question and its maybe a stupid question...but please help me out. I have bought a book (All-in-one Cisco CCIE LAB Study guide of Stephen Hutnik and Michael Satterlee) and i think and know its a very good book to allso prepare for the LAB... But there is one thin i dont understand about the config files. For example take LAB#2 in the book ...they are talking about DDR and there are 2 configs given with that LAB. But in the config files the NO SHUTDOWN command is not in the config files, lets say on the end on the BRI0 configuration part. Why? Is it because Michael an Stephen are thinking that we should know that we NEED to use the command? Or is it something else? Again ...its a stupid question but i need to know the answer... Thank You, Iwan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70354&t=70354 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
Have a look at - http://www.b2net.co.uk/multitech/multitech_zdx_rackmount_modem_shelf.htm Best regards, Dom Stocqueler SysDom Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: 08 June 2003 20:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: remote management of routers? [7:70349] Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me dial into a router via the AUX port? Ryan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70357&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70358&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. Then just pick up an old USR/3Com Sportster or Courier external modem and the cables and you've got it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70359&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Most of my posts not getting through [7:70144]
Actuall this is interesting - I've had this problem when posting via the webboard. I just posted one which did get through and the only thing I did differently was to include my email in the 'Your Email' box. - I'll leave it out on this and see if it gets through. cheers Danny Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70363&t=70144 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
For a single router use a modem. For many routers/switches/servers consider a terminal server. That could be a 2509 router. Use a modem to connect to the 2509 and from the 2509 connect to the various boxes - usually their console port in this case. There are other manufacturers of terminal server type boxes. WTI Western Telematic Inc?? Check the back pages of many trade magazines. > -Original Message- > From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 2:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: remote management of routers? [7:70349] > > > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that > would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? > > > Ryan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70364&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
the intent of this list is to discuss preparation cisco exams, not opportunities in the various job markets. if your comments don't relate to the study blueprint in some meaninful way, please keep them to yourself. thanks. - Original Message - From: n rf Date: Sunday, June 8, 2003 4:14 pm Subject: Re: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] > garrett allen wrote: > > > > yawn. > > Bored? > > I don't want to be overly confrontational, but if you really > thought this > thread was so boring that you're yawning, then why did you bother > to make a > rebuttal to me in the first place? The fact that you did > obviously means > that you don't think it's THAT boring. > Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70360&t=70151 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
voice configs [7:70362]
folks I have a 3640 with two 2FXS cards in it. Ports one on each card is fine, though I get no rings on the phones when placing a call - on the other hand, as soon as I plug a phone into port zero, the phone rings and doesn't stop ringing. I've tried swapping phones, cables etc over and that doesn't seem to be the issue - any clues? cheers Danny Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70362&t=70362 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: design issues, suggestions please. [7:70337]
How about adding a third interface to each PIX. Use that for the DMZ and connect both PIXes for failover. Internet---Router1--switch---PIX1---switch---Router2 || | | switch--DMZ | || | |---PIX2| > -Original Message- > From: Christian Purnomo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:38 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: design issues, suggestions please. [7:70337] > > > Hi all > > I have 3 x 2621 routers and 2 x 515 pixes. The setup I am > currently running > is as follow: > > Internet --- Router1 --- PIX1 --- DMZ --- PIX2 --- Router2 --- LAN > > Both routers and both PIXes are both running full > access-list to protect > inside interface. > > I have another design in mind which is: > > Internet --- Router1 --- PIX1 --- Router2 --- LAN > | > | > Router3 > | > | > DMZ > > > I prefer this design which I can use the other pix for > failover and also, I > still can run access-list on both Router2 and Router3. > > Is the second one a better design? I can't see much point > running 2 pixes > with the same model on the first diagram. I would more agree > to have dual > firewall in diagram 1 if the second firewall is a different > firewall product. > > Does anyone have any comment on this? > > Thanks. > > Christian. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70361&t=70337 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
Depending on your routing protocol, another way is to have the router dial out under a dialer watch scenario, but advertise only its loopback address out the dialer interface (e.g. "distribute-list out "), so that the device is reachable but doesn't route traffic for the network to which it is attached. This also makes the device more secure (i.e. it never takes an incoming call). Good luck. Paul Forbes Network Engineer Trimble -Original Message- From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70367&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
garrett allen wrote: > > the intent of this list is to discuss preparation cisco exams, > not > opportunities in the various job markets. if your comments > don't > relate to the study blueprint in some meaninful way, please > keep them > to yourself. First of all, keep in mind that I didn't start this thread, Lamy Alexandre did. But I don't see you getting on his case, why not? You don't like the thread, take it up with the person who actually started it. Second of all, I've never seen you say anything about all the other threads that also have nothing to do with preparation with cisco exams. For example, right now I see some guy talking about 'religious wars', and I see another guy asking whether people are getting "naughty" emails from the group. It's not obvious to me that these posts have anything to do with Cisco certification, yet I don't see you telling those guys to keep their posts to themselves, why not? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70366&t=70151 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
What you can use is what's called a OOB switch. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/iad/ps492/index.html I think that's what you might be looking for. -Nate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70365&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
Dial connection to the AUX via a modem or obtain a Zero (64, 128, etc., etc.) CIR DLCI into the site, it would probably cost as much or less than a POTS connection. My old employer, due to a last minute requirement, installed a real smooth thing for a customer a couple of years back. We used dial activated power supplies (call and after a certain set of prompts enter a code) to power AUX connected secure modems. This allowed for a controlled backdoor into the network for management (a.k.a. troubleshooting). All the best! Phil "The Who's Who of So and So, and best know for Such and Such" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70368&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please help!!!! [7:70369]
Hi, Does anyone knows how can i differentiate a router between Cisco 4000 & Cisco 4000M? Also, for a 4000M, what is the max amount of flash it can handle? (I want to load at least IOS 12.1 on it). - Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 4000 Software (C4000-DS-M), Version 12.0(23), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Mon 01-Jul-02 22:19 by srani Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0083DF10 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 4.14(7), SOFTWARE R6 uptime is 1 minute System restarted by power-on System image file is "flash:c4000-ds-mz.120-23.bin" cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xB0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of memory. Processor board ID 5039132 G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. Bridging software. X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. 1 Token Ring/IEEE 802.5 interface(s) 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write) Configuration register is 0x2102 Thanks in advance, Lee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70369&t=70369 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: voice configs [7:70362]
Okay - I have some clues - it looks as though UK phones work differently to those of other parts of the world. I'd be very interested in feedback from anyone else on this. Broadly I think it IS down to wiring. Port 0 on a 2FXS card is configured such that if an RJ11 is connected in with current on pins 2&5, it assumes that a two-line phone (which is common I gather in the US) is connected and disables port 1. UK phones normally use ports 2&5 for their tip and ring signals, using 3 to carry the ring current and 4 for earth. If 3&4 are the wrong way about the phone will ring continually - this is all theory I'm afraid until I check tomorrow, but I'm using normal adapters so I'd hope not to have to chop them up. Any comments? Many thanks Danny Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70370&t=70362 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Number of routes and memory usage [7:70299]
""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Curious wrote: > > > > > > Hello again friends, I want to thank Mr Jvd for his help, and I > > would like to post again my question, It is very surprising > > that we all have been working with routers for years but there > > is no answer for this question, I can evaluate the ammount of > > memory used in my router for every type of route, but I would > > like to learn from someone more skilled than me and test my > > results :) :) > > The reason you're not getting an answer isn't because we're blowing you off. > It's because it's too complicated for an easy answer. > > You'd have to talk to the IOS developers for a good answer. I have a > training manual that was used to teach new IOS developers. I checked it. > Although it talks a lot about memory management, it doesn't mention how much > memory each route takes. > > For one thing, it would certainly depend on the routing protocol. EIGRP's > scaled, composite metric takes more bytes than RIP's hop count, for example, > although from what I learned about memory management from the developer > training, memory is managed in chunks, so a few bytes probably wouldn't > matter. > > Most of the routing protocols save more info than just the routing table. > OSPF and EIGRP have a topology database, for example. So that would > definitley affect memory usage. > > Also, unless you plan to save all of the Internet BGP routing table, it's > simply not an issue. Routers have enough memory to store routing tables in > most cases... So, it's not a very relevant operational questions?? If it's a > research project, well get researching. Asking us won't help, I'm afraid. :-) or to put it another way, why bother when memory and CPU is relatively cheap ( you DO use 3rd party memory, don't you ;-> ) As I tell all my customers, it doesn't hurt to max out the memory. Never can tell when you will need it. ( and it helps me retire quota ) As I say when I want to yank Priscilla's chain, design is dead. This kind of work is irrelevant. Reminds me of a question I saw on a practice test somewhere - which router would you use if money were no object? Believe it or not, the "correct" answer was not the most expensive one. :-> > > Priscilla > > > > > > Hello folks, > > > > I have to evaluate the impact of adding almost 1000 routes in > > my network, and what I want to know is simple: How many memory > > do I need for every new router? Do you know a simle rule? What > > I want to know is the relationship between the number of routes > > and the memory consumption. I can evaluate know this by looking > > how many routes are in may routing table and the memory used, > > but I would appreciate any experience from you. > > Thanks group! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70372&t=70299 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
(AS2509-RJ-CH) we would be looking at $1600 each a bit high to manage one router but a nice setup if I have more then one. We are looking at offering a manageed router service for some ISP's in the states. Ryan - Original Message - From: Nathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] What you can use is what's called a OOB switch. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/iad/ps492/index.html I think that's what you might be looking for. -Nate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70371&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: config files in books [7:70354]
Once you type "no shutdown," it will bring up the interface but not leave anything in the config file. If you type "shutdown," that will show up in the config file. Tom Larus ""Iwan Hoogendoorn"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi guys, > > > I have a question and its maybe a stupid question...but please help me out. > > I have bought a book (All-in-one Cisco CCIE LAB Study guide of Stephen > Hutnik and Michael Satterlee) and i think and know its a very good book to > allso prepare for the LAB... > > But there is one thin i dont understand about the config files. > > For example take LAB#2 in the book ...they are talking about DDR and there > are 2 configs given with that LAB. > > But in the config files the NO SHUTDOWN command is not in the config files, > lets say on the end on the BRI0 configuration part. > > Why? > > Is it because Michael an Stephen are thinking that we should know that we > NEED to use the command? > > Or is it something else? > > Again ...its a stupid question but i need to know the answer... > > Thank You, Iwan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70373&t=70354 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help!!!! [7:70369]
I forget where I got this but have a look: Q: How do you distinguish a 4500 from a 4500-M and a 4700 from a 4700-M? Does an -M version show up in show version? A: There are two methods you can use to determine the 4x00 model: 1.Use SNMP and do an snmpget for the following mib attribute: chassis.cardTable.cardTableEntry.cardType 2.Enter the show version command and use the command output and the table below to identify the 4x00 model: Model Revsion Serial Number Label Cisco 4000 Revision A0 440x C4000 Cisco 4000-M Revision B0, C 445x C4000 M+ Cisco 4500 Revision 0x00 450x C4500 Cisco 4500-M Revision B, C, D, E 455x C4500 M+ Cisco 4700 Revision B 470x C4700 Cisco 4700-M Revision C, D, E, F 475x C4700 M+ Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Lee" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Please help [7:70369] > Hi, > > Does anyone knows how can i differentiate a router between Cisco 4000 & > Cisco 4000M? > > Also, for a 4000M, what is the max amount of flash it can handle? (I want to > load at least IOS 12.1 on it). > > - > > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > > IOS (tm) 4000 Software (C4000-DS-M), Version 12.0(23), RELEASE SOFTWARE > (fc1) > > Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. > > Compiled Mon 01-Jul-02 22:19 by srani > > Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0083DF10 > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 4.14(7), SOFTWARE > > R6 uptime is 1 minute > > System restarted by power-on > > System image file is "flash:c4000-ds-mz.120-23.bin" > > cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xB0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of > memory. > > Processor board ID 5039132 > > G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. > > Bridging software. > > X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. > > 1 Token Ring/IEEE 802.5 interface(s) > > 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. > > 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write) > > Configuration register is 0x2102 > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > Lee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70374&t=70369 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please help!!!! [7:70369]
I think my last post was a bit messed up. try this: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps5199/products_tech_note0918 6a008009486a.shtml watch the wrap. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Lee" To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Please help [7:70369] > Hi, > > Does anyone knows how can i differentiate a router between Cisco 4000 & > Cisco 4000M? > > Also, for a 4000M, what is the max amount of flash it can handle? (I want to > load at least IOS 12.1 on it). > > - > > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > > IOS (tm) 4000 Software (C4000-DS-M), Version 12.0(23), RELEASE SOFTWARE > (fc1) > > Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. > > Compiled Mon 01-Jul-02 22:19 by srani > > Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0083DF10 > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 4.14(7), SOFTWARE > > R6 uptime is 1 minute > > System restarted by power-on > > System image file is "flash:c4000-ds-mz.120-23.bin" > > cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xB0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of > memory. > > Processor board ID 5039132 > > G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. > > Bridging software. > > X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. > > 1 Token Ring/IEEE 802.5 interface(s) > > 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. > > 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write) > > Configuration register is 0x2102 > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > Lee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70377&t=70369 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please help!!!! [7:70369]
Not much! You can run 12.x code on the 4000s, but the semi-modern stuff like Fast Ethernet and ATM modules started with the 4500 series. Concerning the 4000, the maximum I have seen from the factory of the EPROM chip type FLASH board is 8 Megs and RAM has always been capped at 16 Megs. Around Y2K timeframe, I was contracting for a large government agency (with a lot of 4x00 routers) and we received Cisco SmartNet upgrade kits that provided us the ability to use (2) 8 Meg 2500 series FLASH sticks (new style FLASH board) and also included replacement 10.X boot ROMs. This really did very little for the routers, since the feature rich IOS needed 32 Megs of RAM (which is where the 4000M comes in). The 4000Ms are 16 FLASH and 32 RAM limited. All the best! Phil "The Who's Who of So and So, and best know for Such and Such" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help [7:70369] Hi, Does anyone knows how can i differentiate a router between Cisco 4000 & Cisco 4000M? Also, for a 4000M, what is the max amount of flash it can handle? (I want to load at least IOS 12.1 on it). - Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 4000 Software (C4000-DS-M), Version 12.0(23), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Mon 01-Jul-02 22:19 by srani Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0083DF10 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 4.14(7), SOFTWARE R6 uptime is 1 minute System restarted by power-on System image file is "flash:c4000-ds-mz.120-23.bin" cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xB0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of memory. Processor board ID 5039132 G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. Bridging software. X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. 1 Token Ring/IEEE 802.5 interface(s) 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write) Configuration register is 0x2102 Thanks in advance, Lee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70376&t=70369 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
Ryan, If you want to operate under the "keep it simple" principle and go with the least expensive solution, I would second the suggestion to just use a modem connected to the aux port. We do this for all of our remote sites. It keeps the cost down, as the only things required are an analog phone line at each site and a cheap modem. The disadvantage of this is that you can't remotely power cycle the router in the event that it just plain locks up. For this ability, I'd check out something like a Moxa remote management solution, but I think you'll find the cost quite steep, depending on how thick the company wallet is. You can check them out at www.moxa.com (no affilitiation to them, I just happened to look at their stuff not too long ago.) Hope this helps. Kelly Cobean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70375&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349]
Check out WTI. They've got several products that may be of interest to you for OOB management and will likely be less expensive. Will Gragido CISSP CCNP CIPTSS CCDA MCP Suite 325 9450 W. Bryn Mawr Ave. Rosemont, Il 60018 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The Knowledge Behind The Network" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] (AS2509-RJ-CH) we would be looking at $1600 each a bit high to manage one router but a nice setup if I have more then one. We are looking at offering a manageed router service for some ISP's in the states. Ryan - Original Message - From: Nathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:39 PM Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] What you can use is what's called a OOB switch. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/iad/ps492/index.html I think that's what you might be looking for. -Nate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Finnesey Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: remote management of routers? [7:70349] I am looking to manage routers when the DS1 or DS3 goes down so the only away I can get to the router is a POTTS line. -Original Message- From: Andrew Dorsett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/8/2003 1:38 PM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Subject: Re: remote management of routers? [7:70349] On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Ryan Finnesey wrote: > Can anyone recommend a unit that I can rack mount and that would let me > dial into a router via the AUX port? Are you looking for just one or more ports? Perle makes a greatone that has SSH support for remote access. If you are looking for modem access just plug up an external modem to the port using the cisco adapters and console cable. Then configure the router to init the modem and answer it. Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate "Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself." Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70378&t=70349 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
My friend NRF (what is your name anyhow?), Others have expressed concern, true, and most of them are legitimate. You mentioned that the MCSE was thought of as a means to get "easy money" from a relatively naive market faced with the new "IT" dimension. Expressing legitimate concern by citing facts has its value, but I see that you are indeed "peddling myths," but, so far (forgive me for generalizing due to limited exposure to your thoughts) you have been very one-sided ad biased in your "concerns." The "CCIE number" thread is based on some objective opinion of ONE person, you. You have also not provided data to back your "opinion," and doubt very much that you can provide definitive data on the matter. Who are those "some people," those who (allegedly) "required lower number CCIE's" and what percentage of the global population of "HR managers" do they constitute? Do they, furthermore, qualify to judge either way? How "expertly" knowledgable are they of the CCIE certification process? How familiar are you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328] Jack Nalbandian wrote: > > This constant blare of prejudicial bias in favor of "college > ed" and to the > definite disfavor of "certification" seems to come most > intensely from your > address. The undertext is always the same: "Go to college." Woah, now there's something that completely came out of left field. When in any of my posts on this particular thread did I ever tell anybody to favor college over certification? I agre that in the past I have often advocated the benefits of college over certification, but not in this particular topic. And believe me, I think everybody on this board knows that I don't hold back, so if I wanted to talk about college, believe me, I would have talked about it, and done so explicitly. I've been described by many adjectives, some positive and some negative, but I don't think I've ever been described as 'subtle'. I don't believe in undertexts, I don't believe in subterfuge, and I don't believe in stealth. If something is on my mind, believe me, I'm going to say it. > > Is there a career-oriented quasi-political interest element at > play here > somewhere? Do you have a vested interest in recruiting people > into college > programs? Since you opened the door, I could very easily turn around and ask you whether you have a vested interest in cert programs? > > I am just asking speculative and rhetorical questions with the > hope of > shedding some light on this mysterious phenomenon of one-sided > expression of > "concern for the (alleged) degradation of" in this case > certification > programs. > > The CCIE itself, once dubbed the "doctorate of networking" is > now under > attack, and there have been numerous posts, only by NRF, > dedicated to this > topic. It is as though there is a one man crusade in progress > here. Only by me? Really? So nobody else has ever expressed any concerns about certs? Is that right? If I look back, I see that this whole thread was started by somebody else. I also see some rather back-handed statements about certs by people like Chuck (the road goes ever on). Howard Berkowitz is clearly no fan of certs either. > > 1. If CCIE or any other sort of education is suffering from > "degradation and > devaluation" due to the "oversaturation of test-related > information" on the > Internet, then the same argument can be made to the detriment > of the > University. Why else would you have entire "net > anti-plagiarist policing" > firms offering their services to universities to guard against > "copy and > paste" term papers? Oh you're right. But colleges have one very powerful thing going for them - the use of relative scoring, which serves as the ultimate leveling tool. Basically, there is no 'set' score that you need to get admitted to a college - you win admission by basically beating out the other candidates.So if all candidates happen to all improve due to PrincetonReview SAT prep courses or whatever, it doesn't really threaten the integrity of the program because colleges are still going to take the top candidates, whatever the term "top" happens to mean at that time. The use of relative scoring provides inherent stability to the integrity of the program. I believe that the CCIE should use something similar. But I digress... > > 2. Any such argument that attempts to "emphasize the value of > college > education" at the expense of the certification tracks offered > by MS, Cisco, > or anyone else is doomed to be subjected to equally potent > counter-arguments. The sad fact is that the Internet itself, > ironically, > has opened the door to billions of pages of information (thus, > the "info > highway"), a good portion of which will have its various > corrupting effects. > Any insistence on the superio
Re: New BCRAN - VPN, QoS and Traffic Shaping [7:70226]
I'm really worried about these three topics - is there anybody out there who has some idea of how deep they cover these, and maybe some good links? Thanks in advance for any help WB On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 16:31, Weaselboy wrote: > I'm trying to get ready to take the new BCRAN when it comes out, but all > the study guides are focused on the old exam. For those who took the > beta, can you give me any guidance on these three topics - VPN, QoS and > Traffic Shaping. I'm not looking for anybody to break the NDA, I just > want to know how deep I need to go, and if there are any good links on > the CCO. Thanks. > > The WB Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70382&t=70226 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2500/1700 router resell , in Beijing [7:70381]
I have 2 Cisco 2509, 1 Cisco 2520, and 1 Cisco 1720 Router, which were bought for preparation for CCIE LAB. I have passed the exam and want to resell these devices. If you are interesting, please mail me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70381&t=70381 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
transmit error in 2621 router [7:70384]
Dear All, I got the following errors from my cisco 2621 router. However, this error message does not show up from time to time but it usually occurs in early morning. Can anyone give me some hints about this? TIA. Lo Ching Below is the error message (captured a few for reference) 06-09-2003 09:05:27Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24930: Jun 9 09:04:25: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:05:27Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24929: Jun 9 09:04:25: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:04:50Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24928: Jun 9 09:03:48: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:04:30Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24927: Jun 9 09:03:28: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:03:52Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24926: Jun 9 09:02:50: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:03:52Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24925: Jun 9 09:02:50: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:03:15Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24924: Jun 9 09:02:13: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:02:47Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24923: Jun 9 09:01:45: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error 06-09-2003 09:02:47Local7.Notice 10.244.8.10 24922: Jun 9 09:01:45: %AMDP2_FE-5-LATECOLL: FastEthernet0/0 transmit error Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70384&t=70384 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
Any thoughts on these "people" (headhunters and HR People) out there? I have some thoughts on them, but I don't think my language would be appreciated Jamie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark W. Odette II Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] Here's a question for those recruiters, headhunters and HR People- Out of CCIE 1025-, how many of them do you think are still actively with the program, still working in the industry, still are at the top of their game (i.e., could go back in and take the OLD LAB again), and are the Crhme of the crop that they have so valued them as??!?!?! There are reasons of human physiology and psychology that proves that the old saying is true... If you don't keep practicing a skill or knowledge through repetition, you simply will loose your "edge". My hat is off to CCIE #1058 if he can still complete the OLD LAB blind folded and run circles around CCIE #10,269 in regards to the complex multi-protocol setup of DECNet, IPX, SNA, IP (w/ BGP, OSPF, EIGRP), and AppleTalk for a 8-10+ router network that was the result of 2 or more multi-hundred-thousand-node companies merging. But I must insert my own pessimism that I seriously doubt this is the case. This could be for any number of reasons, but I'm sure the number one reason is that it was too time-consuming and expensive to maintain such "prestige". Not to mention, they probably got laid off for one reason or another in the past 3-5 years. Headhunters and Recruiters are more arrogant than those CCIE's that have been minted in the past 24 months. And they've been that way for at least the last decade. An engineer with Blah-blah-blah certifications is nothing but a potential for them making a huge commission for "hooking up" that engineer with the employer. And because of this arrogance, they have these BS ideals that CCIE# 6328 is truly expert, and CCIE #10524 doesn't deserve the respect of knowing much more than how to power on a piece of Cisco equipment. To put in your analogy format, that's like saying the M.D. that got his PHD 20 years ago, but got bored with continually going back to those medical conferences and continued education on advances in medical science is more preferential than the Doctor that has been practicing medicine for only the past 3 years. I bet is that the older Doc is going to continue performing "tried and true" procedures that have a greater risk of failure or permanent damage of some sort (could be scars, amputated limb, etc.) than the younger Doc that is current with procedures that result in more favorable outcomes for the same medical situations. NRF- You've said yourself in the past that Cisco has changed the CCIE program for financial reasons, be it for increased revenue or wiser financial efficiency in maintaining the equipment, facilities, etc. What about simple relevance? True, not as many routing protocol technologies are being tested on... but they make up for that by testing on new technologies such as Voice, Security, etc. So, because Cisco tests on new technologies, that makes it acceptable for the "market" and all those Headhunters, Recruiters, and HR folks to deem the CCIE not as valuable as it once was?!? They obviously have a jaded/ill-informed point of reference in comparing the "old" with the "new". Out of curiosity, just exactly what are the names of all these "brain-dump" groups/sites that make the CCIE LAB a cake-walk?!? If they are so common knowledge, I have a hard time believing that Cisco would allow them to continue operating. I'm sure Mr. Chambers is intelligent enough to look ahead and realize he would be preempting the demise of his own company if his company perpetuated the cycle of braindump-prepared CCIEs will equal less positive reputation for support and value of the products themselves. Or in more simplistic terms, surely he's smart enough to foresee the cause-and-effect scenario of allowing hundreds of CCIE's to be minted per month. If the economy is so dismal for a majority (read 70%+) of the country, especially the IT industry, just exactly how are all these New CCIE's affording to pay for braindump memberships, Bootcamps, rack rentals and/or personal lab purchases to prepare for the O-so-easy CCIE LAB?!?! I guess my point is, I must be continuing to perpetuate myself in this little naove bubble that makes me have a hard time believing/accepting the CCIE program is being overran in record time with wannabe CCIE's that just simply "bought" their certification rather than earning it. Give us some facts that can give merit to the "free market's" delusion that Computer Networking isn't worth the nickel it used to be. And yes, I believe the "free market" is under delusional control. Most of which has been perpetuated by the "Dot.Bomb" era (which has been nothing but pessimistic influence of the US Media [and yes, I know p
RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
Mark W. Odette II wrote: > > Here's a question for those recruiters, headhunters and HR > People- Out of CCIE 1025-, how many of them do you think > are still actively with the program, still working in the > industry, still are at the top of their game (i.e., could go > back in and take the OLD LAB again), and are the Crhme of the > crop that they have so valued them as??!?!?! > > There are reasons of human physiology and psychology that > proves that the old saying is true... If you don't keep > practicing a skill or knowledge through repetition, you simply > will loose your "edge". My hat is off to CCIE #1058 if he can > still complete the OLD LAB blind folded and run circles around > CCIE #10,269 in regards to the complex multi-protocol setup of > DECNet, IPX, SNA, IP (w/ BGP, OSPF, EIGRP), and AppleTalk for a > 8-10+ router network that was the result of 2 or more > multi-hundred-thousand-node companies merging. But I must > insert my own pessimism that I seriously doubt this is the > case. This could be for any number of reasons, but I'm sure > the number one reason is that it was too time-consuming and > expensive to maintain such "prestige". Not to mention, they > probably got laid off for one reason or another in the past 3-5 > years. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you're missing the point. The value of the CCIE program was never really its immediate technology relevance "per-se", but rather its rigor. Let me explain. Let's face it - in how many network jobs out there do you really configure a network from scratch? Honestly, how many? Only a small minority. And of that small minority, how many of those jobs would force you to set up said network under severe time pressure? Practically no network job is really like that. The vast majority of networking jobs involves maintaining an already-configured network. You most likely will not have to build a network, and you're almost certainly not going to have to do so in less than 8 hours. Furthermore, of those networks that you build, how many times are you actually going to be given excruciating details about how to do it. Is your boss really going to say "have R1 peer with R2 and R3 with EIGRP, but not R4, and then set up a GRE tunnel over here and redistribute this, that and the other thing, and over here you can use a floating static, but nowhere else, etc. etc. etc."? Almost certainly not. Your boss is probably going to say that he wants you to provide networking services to these particular devices, and it's up to you to decide how to do that. If he was going to give you excruciating, nitpicking details about precisely how to set up the network, then why doesn't he just set it up himself? He'll probably spend more time explaining to you exactly what he wants than if he just did it himself. Therefore the point is that the CCIE has always been an artificial construct. Practically no real-world networking job is going to be like the lab. Historically, the value of the lab has not been because it's real-world (because it's not and I think everybody agrees that it's not) but because it's rigorous and because it involves networking problem-solving. THAT is the value of the lab. But that leads to my thesis - what has happened to the rigor of the lab. Forget about true real-world relevance, because that, to be perfectly honest, was never the source of the value of the test in the first place - never has been, and probably never will be. The value of the test is that it served as a proxy for a person's network problem-solving skills. So the real question now becomes whether it measures these skills as good as it did before. I would say no, and my proof is, again, everybody wants to trade for a lower number and nobody wants to trade for a higher one. > > Headhunters and Recruiters are more arrogant than those CCIE's > that have been minted in the past 24 months. And they've been > that way for at least the last decade. An engineer with > Blah-blah-blah certifications is nothing but a potential for > them making a huge commission for "hooking up" that engineer > with the employer. And because of this arrogance, they have > these BS ideals that CCIE# 6328 is truly expert, and CCIE > #10524 doesn't deserve the respect of knowing much more than > how to power on a piece of Cisco equipment. To put in your > analogy format, that's like saying the M.D. that got his PHD 20 > years ago, but got bored with continually going back to those > medical conferences and continued education on advances in > medical science is more preferential than the Doctor that has > been practicing medicine for only the past 3 years. I bet is > that the older Doc is going to continue performing "tried and > true" procedures that have a greater risk of failure or > permanent damage of some sort (could be scars, amputated limb, > etc.) than the younger Doc that is current with procedures that > result in more favorable outcomes for the same medical > si
Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]
The Road Goes Ever On wrote: > > some comments are meant in good fun, others are of more serious > source. pray > do not take offense, as none is intended. > > ""n rf"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sigh. I knew this was going to happen. > > so why'd you bring it up in the first place? :-> First of all, I didn't. LamyAlexander did. He asked a question, and I answered it. I believe that if you ask an honest question, you should get an honest answer.If you don't want to hear the answer, then make sure that nobody asks the question. Guys (not talking to you, Chuck, but to everybody else here), if you don't like this thread, don't get ticked off at me. I didn't start this thread. Take it up with LamyAlexander. > > > > > Gentlemen, this is why I posted such a long response, because > I wanted you > > all to be honest with yourselves. I could have just said > what I had to > say > > straight-up, without any explanation, but I felt (and > obviously with a lot > > of justification) that I needed to do a lot of explaining. > Just ask > > yourself the question - if you had a high-number, would you > want to trade > it > > for a lower number? You know in your heart what you want, > even if you > don't > > want to admit it on this board. Answer the question and be > perfectly > honest > > with yourself. > > most of us on this list would take any number we could get! ;-> Come on, Chuck. Don't try to run away from the question. Would you like a lower number if offered to you? Be honest, now. > > > > > Somebody asked whether employers are asking for lower > numbers. You're > damn > > right they are. Several recruiters, headhunters, and HR > people have > stated > > that they give preference lower-number CCIE's. In fact, you > may have seen > > this several times on the groupstudy.jobs ng. Yet I have > never ever seen > a > > recruiter saying that he gives preference a higher-number > CCIE. Why is > > that? Why is it only one-way? I tend not to believe in > coincidences - > when > > there's smoke, there's probably fire. > > > so there are some idiot recruiters who are lockstepping with > what thweir > idiot employer / clients are asking for. I can recall when > CCNA became all > the rage, and there were some employers / recruiters who were > turning down > people with CCNP's. Against stupidity, the gods themselves > contend in vain. > As a job seeker, it behooves someone to focus on identifying > the kind of > people they want to work with and for, and those who should be > avoided. I'm not saying that there aren't some stupid recruiters. But, first of all, (a theme that I've echoed again and again), why is it only one-way? If recruiters were stupid across the board, then some would be preferring low numbers, and some would be preferrig high numbers. But that's not happening. I've never seen anybody give preference to high numbers, only to low numbers. So it's "one-way stupidity". Why is that? Second, it's not just recruiters, but HR people and others who are in charge of hiring. Maybe they're all stupid. But that's beside the point. The fact is, those people determine whether one gets hired or not. If they decide to use a requirement that you think is stupid, ranting and raving about it isn't going to change anything. If you need to put food on the table, you're going to need to jump through the hoops that the people who have jobs to give are asking you to jump through. Whether you think those hoops are stupid or not is not important. Sometimes you have to undergo things that you think are stupid. That's life. I think it's stupid that I have to stop at red lights at 3 in the morning when there's nobody around, but if I get pulled over, I can rant and rave to the cop about how stupid the situation is all I want, and I'm still going to get ticketted. Third, and most importantly, I don't know that it's just about recruiters. Again, I hate to sound like a broken record, but once you pass your lab, and Cisco offered to trade your number for a low one, would you take it? Honestly, now. Of course you would. I know I would. I don't know anybody who isn't being honest with himself that wouldn't. So it's not just recruiters who see what's going on. That's the point - the behavior of recruiters is only a symptom of the real issue. > > > > > Somebody also asked what number CCIE I am. Well, what > exactly does that > > have to do with anything? Because I may or may not be a > low-number CCIE, > > that somehow affects the truth of my arguments? Either > they're true or > > they're not. Who I am has nothing to do with it. Why the > ad-hominem > > attacks? Why can't people debate things simply on the merits > of the > > argument, rather than calling into question people's > motives? Hell, if > you > > want to go down the road of ad-hominem attacks, I could just > as easily say > > that all my detractors are or will be high-number CCIE's and >
Re: number of CCIE [7:70151]
Babylon By The Bay wrote: > > This whole thread has a whole LOL effect to it does it not? > This seems to > pop up every 6/8 weeks or so on GS... > > I mean anyone who has been in the business for any amount of > time will be > able to see through bullshit factor be (he/she) CCIE or not. > Thats really > what is at the heart of this thread is it not? Is CCIE really > king of the > hill or not? I say out loud - NOT! Absolutely true. I'm with you 110%. I think the CCIE has gotten far more hype than it deserves. I have said things to this effect time and time again, and famously so. For example, Jack Nalbandian is now apparently accusing me of using this whole thread as a 'flying-buttress' interconnect to my other posts about the value of certification vs. college (a bizarre accusation I must say - if I feel like talking about the value of college vs. certs, believe me, I'm going to talk about it). But I think you see on this thread that a lot of people apparently have a lot invested in the notion that the CCIE is the bee's knees and they simply will not suffer anybody who questions its value even just a little bit. "Hey, the value of certification is declining". "What! That's blasphemy - how dare you say such a thing!!!" > > An individual who has just achieved CCIE is going to be "hot" > or should I > say peaked in their skill sets -Cisco wise. But does that > translate into > "real world experience" or not? Not really. > > There is a CCIE training website that lists an individual who > achieved CCIE > with ONLY 6 months training. (I'm not naming names but there's > one for NFR.) > > OK, I have a simple solution to the perception of CCIE and > experience > question quasi CCIE after # so and so is not really a CCIE at > the same level > as CCIE# blah blah. > > Here's a couple of off the wall interview questions that will > throw the > uninitiated into doldrums - CCIE or NOT! > > How many CCIE's can explain why Sam Halabi is NOT a CCIE and > why they > worship him so > > How many CCIE's know who Tony Li is and upon who's door that he > nailed his > resignation letter upon??? I know the answers to all your questions. I also know some of the details of why Tony Li either left or got pushed out of(depending on whose version of the story you're hearing) another vendor which we'll just call 'J'. > > For those who keep belittling the CCIE or that Cisco should > create a super > CCIE - there already is - it's called a Cisco Fellow... And how many CCIE's have ever heard of them? Again, it all gets down to something I've been saying for awhile and that you agree with - that the CCIE is really only just a beginning. It's certainly not infallible. > > Headhunters are nothing more than used car sales > people...IMHO... Used car salespeople that can sometimes get you jobs, however. Hey, maybe you and I are living large, but we all know that there are quite a few network people who are just scraping by and they gotta take work wherever they can find it. If a smarmy headhunter says jump, they ask "how high and how many times?" > > Enough said... > > - Original Message - > From: "The Road Goes Ever On" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: number of CCIE [7:70151] > > > > some comments are meant in good fun, others are of more > serious source. > pray > > do not take offense, as none is intended. > > > > ""n rf"" wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sigh. I knew this was going to happen. > > > > so why'd you bring it up in the first place? :-> > > > > > > > > Gentlemen, this is why I posted such a long response, > because I wanted > you > > > all to be honest with yourselves. I could have just said > what I had to > > say > > > straight-up, without any explanation, but I felt (and > obviously with a > lot > > > of justification) that I needed to do a lot of explaining. > Just ask > > > yourself the question - if you had a high-number, would you > want to > trade > > it > > > for a lower number? You know in your heart what you want, > even if you > > don't > > > want to admit it on this board. Answer the question and be > perfectly > > honest > > > with yourself. > > > > most of us on this list would take any number we could get! > ;-> > > > > > > > > Somebody asked whether employers are asking for lower > numbers. You're > > damn > > > right they are. Several recruiters, headhunters, and HR > people have > > stated > > > that they give preference lower-number CCIE's. In fact, > you may have > seen > > > this several times on the groupstudy.jobs ng. Yet I have > never ever > seen > > a > > > recruiter saying that he gives preference a higher-number > CCIE. Why is > > > that? Why is it only one-way? I tend not to believe in > coincidences - > > when > > > there's smoke, there's probably fire. > > > > > > so there are some idiot recruiters who are lockstepping with > what thweir > > idiot employer / clients are ask
Re: AUX Port dial in [7:69994]
Here is how you could configure an aux port on a Cisco via an external modem. This is how my 2509 is configured for dial access. I use an Actiontec external modem interface Async9 no ip address encapsulation ppp async mode interactive no cdp enable line aux 0 session-timeout 60 exec-timeout 15 0 login local modem Dialin transport input all autoselect ppp autohangup stopbits 1 flowcontrol hardware To dial into my router, I use minicom on my Linux machine. You could also use Hyperterminal, Secure CRT on etc... on a Windows machine as well. If you do not want to connect the modems together via the PSTN, you must use a null modem cable. Hope this gets you started. BB ---Rock Chalk Jayhawk, GO KU On Wednesday 04 June 2003 23:41, Shane Stockman wrote: > I have a Windows PC and would like to telnet into a remote router via the > AUX port using a modem on it.Does anyone have any sample configs for the > router. > > PC--modem--->modem--Router (AUX Port) > > Thanks > > _ > Wazup? Find out by joining SA Teens - http://groups.msn.com/SAteens/ > MSN's hottest South African Group > Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70379&t=69994 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: transmit error in 2621 router [7:70384]
Check for full and half duplex mismatch errors on router and other peer device, both should be full and 100 or 100 and half. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70385&t=70384 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
