RE: TACACS - Cheap or Free [7:70764]
how about tac_plus from Cisco, also found on several other places around the 'net? It's free, and open source. -Original Message- From: Vance Krier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TACACS - Cheap or Free [7:70764] Hey Group, I'm just looking for a cheap or free TACACS+ server. This doesn't need to be real powerful, just something I can use for playing around and possibly to put on customer sites for real quick and easy outbound http auth authentication purposes off a PIX. Thanks, Vance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70770t=70764 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP Recertification [7:62038]
Yes, and I just reinforced my knowledge of this having just my CCNP expire this past Friday without taking the recert exam. Even though I have my CCDP, I have to take all CCNP tests over again. -Original Message- From: Bolton, Travis D [LTD] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP Recertification [7:62038] Team, When you take the recert exam for your CCNP do you have to take it before your cert expires? If your cert expires before you take that test then does that mean you need to retake all 4 exams again? Travis Bolton Web Media CCNP,CCDA Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value. - Albert Einstein Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=62042t=62038 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco PDM and Manual configuration [7:58555]
PDM gets messed up once in a while if command line changes are made. I cannot remember specifics of the scenarios in which this happens, however from the command line under config mode, clear pdm seems to keep things on track. It resets the PDM configuration and the next time PDM is run, it runs as though it has never been run before. -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco PDM and Manual configuration [7:58555] I have a quick question for the group. Normally I configure PIX's by hand, manual, straight forward configs. I seem to remember that it use to be a no-no to mix manual configuration of a PIX with PDM configuration, something about PDM getting confused, or the manual configuration getting hosed by PDM. Is it still that way, or is it safe to use PDM and then from time to time do something manual? Thanks, Brian -- --- Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Engineer p: 318.222.2638x109 ShreveNet Inc. f: 318.221.6612 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58557t=58555 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Programming Language for Network Engingeers. [7:58032]
Perl - Use it to do many things like parsing log files, parsing and even generating config files. Too many uses to list. Once you learn what perl is and what it can do, you WILL find uses for it. Expect - Use it to script things that otherwise would only be able to occur interactively with network devices, such as Telnet to a router, log on, dump the config to a tftp server. Or, create an expect script to log on to a router, copy tftp image to flash and reload, then set this to run via a cron job for an unattended router upgrade (yes, that is risky but some people can get away with it :-). If you run both on unix/linux, learn bash or whatever shell you plan on using because you will find many useful functions built into the shell. It isn't unrealistic to setup a generic unix/linux system with Perl, Expect and a TFTP server to to manage all of your device configs, images and logfiles. -Original Message- From: John Tafasi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Programming Language for Network Engingeers. [7:58032] What programming languages a network engineer MIGHT need to perform his job? What do network engineers or adminiastrators do with a programming language? please elaborate I am looking to learn a couple of programming language that I may need on the job and I need you advice. Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58040t=58032 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Programming Language for Network Engingeers. [7:58032]
I don't know of any specific books for Network Engineers, but I would start with the O'Reilly books on Perl and Expect. They are well written but general in nature. go to: http://www.oreilly.com/ And take a look at: Learning Perl, 3rd Edition Programming Perl, 3rd Edition Perl for System Administration Exploring Expect -Original Message- From: John Tafasi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:58 PM To: Moffett, Ryan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Programming Language for Network Engingeers. [7:58032] This a nice answer, but do you know any book that specifically deal with programming for network engineers? - Original Message - From: Moffett, Ryan To: 'John Tafasi' ; Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Programming Language for Network Engingeers. [7:58032] Perl - Use it to do many things like parsing log files, parsing and even generating config files. Too many uses to list. Once you learn what perl is and what it can do, you WILL find uses for it. Expect - Use it to script things that otherwise would only be able to occur interactively with network devices, such as Telnet to a router, log on, dump the config to a tftp server. Or, create an expect script to log on to a router, copy tftp image to flash and reload, then set this to run via a cron job for an unattended router upgrade (yes, that is risky but some people can get away with it :-). If you run both on unix/linux, learn bash or whatever shell you plan on using because you will find many useful functions built into the shell. It isn't unrealistic to setup a generic unix/linux system with Perl, Expect and a TFTP server to to manage all of your device configs, images and logfiles. -Original Message- From: John Tafasi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Programming Language for Network Engingeers. [7:58032] What programming languages a network engineer MIGHT need to perform his job? What do network engineers or adminiastrators do with a programming language? please elaborate I am looking to learn a couple of programming language that I may need on the job and I need you advice. Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58045t=58032 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSS11800 for content network specialist on ebay $6 [7:57709]
can anyone believe how cheap these are going for? It makes it pretty reasonable to get one for the content network specialist certification. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2070179172 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2066928817 $665 was the end price for one of these! Can anyone shed some light as to why the market value of these is so low? Ryan Moffett - CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Architect Sterling Commerce 4600 Lakehurst Ct. Dublin, OH 43016 phone: (614) 791-6448 cell: (614) 260-1442 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57709t=57709 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CPU Utilization on Cat3548XL - a mystery.. [7:57494]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:simonkc;netsol.co.in] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Utilization on Cat3548XL - a mystery.. [7:57494] I have an out-of-the-box Catalyst3548XL switch .There are no user connections nor trunk connections on the switch...just a plain switch with a power chord But the CPU utilization shows a consistent 50%. Can anybody explain??? Thanks in advance, Simon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57504t=57494 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CPU Utilization on Cat3548XL - a mystery.. [7:57494]
Strange, my sent items shows the URL I pasted, but the URL was cut out on the message to the group...what gives? Anyway, http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/473/19.html should give you all you need. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:simonkc;netsol.co.in] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Utilization on Cat3548XL - a mystery.. [7:57494] I have an out-of-the-box Catalyst3548XL switch .There are no user connections nor trunk connections on the switch...just a plain switch with a power chord But the CPU utilization shows a consistent 50%. Can anybody explain??? Thanks in advance, Simon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57512t=57494 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
The way I interpret this is that the answers you provide will be evaluated against your score and performance for future development of tests, including future scoring mechanisms on exams that are authored. I don't think it is real-time modification of question pools or scoring criteria. I believe they are attempting to gather statistics to make sure the tests are updated properly as time goes on. For example, if someone has 1 year of experience, but can pass all of the CCNP tests, great, good for him. But if a high percentage of candidates with 1 year of experience can pass the CCPN tests, then they must evaluate why the tests are so easy to pass. It would make sense that they would want these kinds of statistics. This is purely my speculation as to the reasoning behind the pre-exam questions.. -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:shawn.kaminski;eds.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] Although this topic has been discussed in the past, there seems to be disagreement on the correct answer. Personally, I have read the wording before some of the surveys and it actually says that your answers will be used to help determine scoring on the exam. I don't believe it determines what questions you get, only the scoring. Whether it's done on all the exams or just some, I don't know. How it's done, I also don't know. My guess is if you downplay your skills too much, you will be graded harder because your skills should match the certification you're trying to achieve. Regardless, don't downplay your skills too much and make sure you really know the material to be safe! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Aaron Ajello [mailto:aajello;yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Questions before tests [7:56452] I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, whether or not you can configure things on your own or need help with a coworker, etc. Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual test? I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking their tests. But recently I read where someone says those questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which questions from the pool you will receive. This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. thanks, Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=56469t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IOS upgrade/Strange services [7:53492]
...an inbound ACL on the interfaces you want to protect would effectively kill access to these ports, but some of the ports you have mentioned are difficult to explain and lack command-line parameters to control, like biff for instance. Biff happens to run on UDP port 512. Can you duplicate your scan results with another tool such as nmap? Sometimes tools that use various techniques to detect open ports, especially UDP ports sometimes result in false positives. TCP connection attempts to detect open TCP ports are usually very accurate. Some of the services below appear to be TCP and UDP. Can you specify if they are TCP or UDP ports? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IOS upgrade/Strange services [7:53492] I'm running 12.2(11)T ip/fw/ids/3DES. The scan came back with Cu-seeme, talk, tftp, rpc-nfs, rwho, biff, name, rpc-portmapper, rwho, snmp-agent, syslog, dhcp, dns, etc... Since the router is fundamentally a unix box I can see this happening... How the heck do ya shutdown the services? Also tried shutting down the VoIP stuff... No go! I didn't think an ACL would be useful given the services appear to be running on the router itself. Kinda like stopping a service on a *nix or windoz computer. Plz lemme know your thoughts version 12.2 service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime service password-encryption ! hostname Lhotse no logging console aaa new-model ! aaa authentication login ops line aaa session-id common enable secret enable password ! ip subnet-zero no ip source-route ! no ip domain lookup ip domain name abnamrousa.com ! no ip bootp server ip audit notify log ip audit po max-events 100 ! mta receive maximum-recipients 0 ! interface Ethernet0/0 ip address x.x.x.x 255.255.255.0 ip access-group 2 out ip nat inside half-duplex no cdp enable ! interface Serial0/0 bandwidth 1536 no ip address no ip redirects no ip unreachables encapsulation frame-relay IETF no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache no fair-queue service-module t1 timeslots 1-24 frame-relay lmi-type ansi ! interface Serial0/0.1 point-to-point bandwidth 1536 ip address y.y.y.y 255.255.255.252 ip access-group 1 in no ip redirects no ip unreachables ip nat outside no ip route-cache no ip mroute-cache no cdp enable frame-relay interface-dlci 501 IETF ! interface Ethernet0/1 no ip address shutdown half-duplex no cdp enable ! interface Serial0/1 no ip address no keepalive shutdown no cdp enable ! ip classless no ip http server ! access-list 1 deny 65.204.141.10 access-list 1 deny 65.204.68.194 access-list 1 deny 65.204.132.5 access-list 1 deny 65.3.0.83 access-list 1 deny 65.204.176.42 access-list 1 deny 80.132.79.133 access-list 1 deny 65.5.36.66 access-list 1 deny 65.0.13.111 access-list 1 deny 65.204.21.189 access-list 1 deny 65.204.103.194 access-list 1 deny 65.204.95.250 access-list 1 deny 65.204.103.196 access-list 1 deny 65.204.39.133 access-list 1 deny 65.204.232.83 access-list 1 deny 65.204.212.31 access-list 1 deny 65.196.200.11 access-list 1 deny 65.115.13.98 access-list 1 deny 65.204.39.244 access-list 1 deny 65.204.222.51 access-list 1 deny 65.204.219.50 access-list 1 deny 65.195.0.229 access-list 1 deny 65.204.176.77 access-list 1 deny 65.204.135.120 access-list 1 deny 65.204.57.200 access-list 1 deny 64.168.217.182 access-list 1 deny 65.204.38.59 access-list 1 deny 65.204.73.87 access-list 1 deny 65.204.0.30 access-list 1 deny 65.204.118.100 access-list 1 deny 65.204.220.227 access-list 1 deny 65.204.61.3 access-list 1 deny 65.204.29.36 access-list 1 deny 65.204.135.200 access-list 1 deny 65.204.135.205 access-list 1 deny 65.204.240.181 access-list 1 deny 65.204.135.209 access-list 1 deny 65.204.135.214 access-list 1 deny 65.204.160.201 access-list 1 deny 65.204.160.200 access-list 1 deny 65.204.103.2 access-list 1 deny 65.204.160.199 access-list 1 deny 65.204.160.198 access-list 1 deny 65.204.160.195 access-list 1 deny 65.204.202.180 access-list 1 deny 65.204.202.179 access-list 1 deny 65.204.49.67 access-list 1 deny 65.204.125.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit any access-list 2 deny 199.172.158.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 2 deny 128.242.104.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 2 permit any access-list 13 permit x.x.x.x no cdp run ! no call rsvp-sync ! ! mgcp profile default ! dial-peer cor custom ! line con 0 exec-timeout 0 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 access-class 13 in password login authentication ops transport input ssh ! end -Original Message- From: Mark W. Odette II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IOS upgrade/Strange services [7:53492] What's the version of IOS? What's your Access-lists look like?? Truthfully, AFAIK, the only way that all of those
RE: No longer 4 digits [7:52146] 2nd Terry Slattery quote [7:52169]
Well, the online verification system says that Stuart Biggs is CCIE 1025, though the current status is Inactive. -Original Message- From: Chuck Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No longer 4 digits [7:52146] 2nd Terry Slattery quote [7:52165] Actually, I thought/read/heard that CCIE #1025 (aka the first CCIE) was/is Jeff Buddemeier, technical lead for Cisco. This is the first time I ever heard the name Stewart Biggs mentioned as CCIE #1025. - Original Message - From: Daniel Cotts To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: No longer 4 digits [7:52146] 2nd Terry Slattery quote [7:52159] In my previous post I quoted a post from Terry Slattery regarding the first CCIEs. In it he did not recall the name of CCIE# 1025. In the quoted post below he does provide a name. snip The first CCIE, #1025, is/was Stewart Biggs. My understanding is that his certification has lapsed and he's off doing something else. I took the test from him in August, 1993 and became the second CCIE, #1026. The lab itself had a plaque outside the door labeling it as #1024 (a power of two - kind of an inside joke for networking/compuer jocks). unsnip -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No longer 4 digits [7:52146] CCIE 1040 sits next to me and I asked him if Imran (sp?) was his proctor and it was. Imran designed the orgianal program and it's our guess he was the proctor for the 1st CCIE. Imran was pretty tough, I remember talking to him at networkers in Denver when the CCIE recert first came out and about 100 of us took the test and only 2 passed. He chuckled stating his intention was to make it difficult so as to require studying. Dave Chuck's Long Road wrote: this topic of fascination for many often leads to a bit of confusion as well http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_pr esent.html shows the number of CCIE's world wide as of 7/31/02 The first CCIE number issued was 1025. Over the years, some have retired, some have neglected to recertify ( including Jeff Doyle, last time I looked ) So according to Cisco's numbers, on July 31 2002 there were 8031 active CCIE's. As a sidebar, Terry Slattery, CCIE 1026, tells how he was tested by CCIE 1025 ( sorry, I can't remember the name ) The theory was / remains that only CCIE's should test candidates. No one seems to know who tested #1025, nor the criteria used. Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=52169t=52169 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Check this new command out [7:49717]
I have the do command in config mode (in c3640-i-mz.122-5d.bin), but the output is only: router(config)#do ? . Version number -Original Message- From: Dan Penn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Check this new command out [7:49717] Yes, I'm not sure what platforms it does work on, I tried it on 2500's, 2600's and 4500's with no luck Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MADMAN Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Check this new command out [7:49717] Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: MADMAN wrote: Thought this was pretty cool!! c7304(config)#do sh ver Cool! Can you do stuff other than show version while in config mode?? Yes it appears you can do most anything, I tried a sh mem, sh config | inclu, sh ip route, they all work. I don't know when/if this will be available in released IOS, I tried it on a 7200 running the latest 12.2.10a, no cigar. Dave -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49782t=49717 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Check this new command out [7:49717]
What code rev is this in? I have some 12.2(5)+ and I don't see it. Is this just in specific 12.1 Development Test images? -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Check this new command out [7:49717] Ya but you don't need the do command. Dave Juan Blanco wrote: Please, correct me if I am wrong, but you can execute any command on the pix's box while you are in config mode as well -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MADMAN Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Check this new command out [7:49717] Thought this was pretty cool!! c7304(config)#do sh ver Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 7300 Software (C7300-JS-M), Version 12.1(1.23.020716.), CISCO DEVELOPME NT TEST VERSION Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Tue 16-Jul-02 03:26 by Image text-base: 0x40008970, data-base: 0x41B32000... Dave -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49781t=49717 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to keep multiple switch ports on the same VLAN from [7:49521]
The 2924XL platform does support PVLANs if it can be upgraded to 12.0(5)XU or higher code which is based on a number of factors including memory. The XL-EN is questionable. 4MB 2924XL switches cannot run the 12.0(5)XU and higher code. For what you are trying to do, PVLANs are the only way to do it that I know of ( I was even trying to come up with a kludge scenario involving using a router and trunking the VLANs up to the router that is doing IRB and filtering at the MAC layer). Especially useful in a DMZ scenario, PVLANs allow you to have a single DMZ for multiple applications, such as WWW and SMTP, and prevent them from seeing each other, yet allow them to talk to firewalls and routers (some people asked why you would do such a thing). It is a recommended part of the Cisco SAFE architecture. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/90.shtml http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/so/cuso/epso/sqfr/safe_wp.htm -Original Message- From: Don Claybrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How to keep multiple switch ports on the same VLAN from [7:49410] I have a customer who needs to have several ports on a 2924XL-EN in the same VLAN. The customer does not want these ports to be able to communicate with one another, but would like all of them to be able to go to/through another port. E.g., ports 1 to 5 would be on VLAN 50, they'd all be able to access port 6, on VLAN 60, but not each other. I did find something on CCO about Private VLANs, but I see that the 2924 is not on the list of hardware that supports PVLAN's. Does anyone know of a way to accomplish this segregation within the same VLAN, short of PVLAN's? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks, Don Claybrook Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49521t=49521 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Off Topic - Whither IS-IS - Cisco's vision going forward [7:49061]
I attended Networkers 2002 in San Diego and got the impression to look out for more IS-IS in the future. Specifically, Cisco is working to achieve feature parity between OSPF and IS-IS, plus comments were made in the Router Architecture Power Session that IS-IS is getting a stronger Enterprise following, especially in Europe. -Original Message- From: Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Off Topic - Whither IS-IS - Cisco's vision going forward [7:49057] I have now seen and heard this from several sources within Cisco - IS-IS is not being considered in the L3 switches other than those we would call core I.e. the 4cxxx and the 3550-xx L3 switches do not support IS-IS, nor are there plans to do so on those boxes. Recognizing that things can always change, I'm wondering what might be the reason? Lack of customer interest? Recognition of IS-IS as a specialized protocol less suitable for normal enterprise type stuff? Chuck Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=49061t=49061 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: InfoWorld article on Routing SOAP [7:46577]
There are a number of vendors creating XML switches, see: http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2002/132046_04-29-2002.html. From my perspective, I think of these Content Aware Switches specializing in XML. These have some things in common with Cisco Content Service Switches, but are tailored to XML and have code running at the application level to even translate XML documents. -Original Message- From: Tom Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: InfoWorld article on Routing SOAP [7:46577] From the hardcopy issue of InfoWorld (June 10, 2002, Issue 23, p. 43): Routing, the core technology of the Internet, is emerging as a way to coordinate interaction among SOAP actors on a global scale. SOAP routing is described in two of Microsoft's Global XML Architecture specifications. WS-Routing defines how to specify the route a SOAP messae takes through a chain of intermediaries. WS-Referral empowers those intermediaries to modify the route. These proposals are thus far just trial balloons, but early products such as KnowNow's Event Router ... anticipate a trend toward increasingly active intermediaries. How might this be implemented in Cisco routers and switches? Whether it's Microsoft's .Net or the Java Consortium's J2EE web services, this seems like a new area that may impact how we design and configure networks. -- TT Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46586t=46577 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
DLSW can still be configured and tested without Token Ring. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46488t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
The following links deal with DLSw and Ethernet, and DLSw topics in general http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/697/3.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/697/3.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/697/index.shtml http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/697/index.shtml -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] How is that possible, do you have a link to a url that explains how to do it, if that's possible then I can exclude all the routers that have token ring interface, I really wanted to know, since I have made a commitment to somebody to buy the whole CCIE Lab this saturday thanks in advance Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46498t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481]
My take is that while Token Ring will not be there, Ethernet will. And as such, DLSw is still a subject that can be tested. If they are removing Token Ring, then the SRB facets of DLSw are going to be dropped. -Original Message- From: Khalsa Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Exam Changes - Token Ring [7:46481] Thanks Ryan, I'm confused, so when cisco says, no token ring in the CCIE lab from oct 2002 but DLSW will be there, what does that mean. Should we expect to configure DLSW on TR-to-TR network or Eth-to-Eth network or WAN or both in the Lab Khalsa Singh wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm in the middle of buying CCIE Lab Equipment to prepare for CCIE lab, my question is, do I still have to buy cisco routers with Token Ring interface to practise DLSW since it is going to be in the lab after Token Ring is completely out thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46505t=46481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Question Mark [7:45980]
That's absolutely not true. In order to do something like that, they would have to custom compile IOS code specific to the CCIE Lab to have that removed. Believe me, the ? is an integral part of working with Cisco devices from the command line. -Original Message- From: Robert McBride [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Question Mark [7:45980] Hey, I just heard that there is no question mark availability on the lab. Can anyone give me there experience on this ?? -Thanks- -Robert- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46004t=45980 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Question Mark [7:45980]
I attempted the lab back in August of 2000. Granted that was the 2day format, but the ? was available then. To remove it would be absurd. -Original Message- From: Roberts, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:23 PM To: Moffett, Ryan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Question Mark [7:45980] Engineering code doesn't have the ? Available. I had heard the same thing though Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: Moffett, Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Question Mark [7:45980] That's absolutely not true. In order to do something like that, they would have to custom compile IOS code specific to the CCIE Lab to have that removed. Believe me, the ? is an integral part of working with Cisco devices from the command line. -Original Message- From: Robert McBride [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 8:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Question Mark [7:45980] Hey, I just heard that there is no question mark availability on the lab. Can anyone give me there experience on this ?? -Thanks- -Robert- Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46072t=45980 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Provider Backbone Engineering and CCIEs [7:44876]
Really? So I shouldn't being doing a show mem and looking at the data contained in specific memory addresses labeled *packet data* to turn my router into a sniffer? :-) -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Provider Backbone Engineering and CCIEs [7:44876] At 07:32 AM 5/24/02, dre wrote: Cisco router to solve any problem, even those that shouldn't be solved with a router! And how about all the people who try to turn the router into a troubleshooting tool? You wouldn't believe how many times I've had to convince people that the debug commands aren't a replacement for a sniffer. Not only are there issues with eating CPU resources to display the debug info, but a lot of the commands don't show packets (which they shouldn't). Also, regardless of whether they show events or packets, they don't display the information in English (in many cases). In fact, many of the debug commands were written to help Cisco software and hardware developers do some debugging on flaky code/hardware. They weren't written to help a network administrator or engineer. I know this is a tangent from the real discussion, but I just wanted to make that additional point about a Cisco router not being the solution to every problem. Priscilla Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44978t=44876 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]
I think that everyone agrees that in order to pass the CCIE lab, you have to spend a decent amount of time in a lab playing with scenarios and technologies you might otherwise have never experienced in a real life network, or experienced it so long ago that you don't have any where else to test and learn it. No matter who you are, you are going to have to get some of your experience for the CCIE lab in a lab on your own, not a production network. Perhaps some people do get all of their experience in a production network..or several production networks and I am not going to dispute that, but it is certainly the exception, not the rule. I think the problem here is with people who get all of their experience in a lab network. Today, it is possible to pass the CCIE written and lab with little to no real world experience and that is not what the CCIE is about. I can hardly fault someone who has the time, money and desire to sit down and attempt the CCIE without much real world experience because I am seeing more and more employers looking for entry to mid-level network engineers with CCIE's required or highly desired. I don't think that was the original intent of the CCIE either. The CISSP already does, or is going to require that you send your resume in with your application to be a CISSP. In fact, they audit them to make sure that people aren't lying on their applications. I don't claim to know all the details of the CISSP certification process, but what would something like this do for the CCIE program? It appears to keep the CISSP relavent. Does it really? -Original Message- From: Johnny Routin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611] Nice of you to take Jeff's words and use them out of context. I believe what Jeff meant is that as we are experienced network engineers pursuing CCIE certification, we should set up a lab for practice as we cannot perform the necessary configurations on our production networks. The thing you forgot to mention while taking liberities with his words is that lab rats do not know what a production network looks like. JR -- Johnny Routin The Routin One cebuano wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Excerpt from Doyle's Vol.2 page 792. Labs also provide an area of the network where you can just play around with the commands, testing the effect of misconfigurations and practicing troubleshooting. The lab can be used in this way for training and CCIE preparation. Only with a lab can you THOROUGHLY experiment with configurations, break things to see what happens, and determine what symptoms identify misconfigurations. This is exactly how we are all educated in colleges and universities. Remember the labs in Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Human Anatomy... So for those of you that have no respect for lab rats, you might need to rethink your opinions. I say more swiss cheese to lab rats! Elmer P.S. Don't forget the wine. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44620t=44611 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bridge and switch [7:44649]
John and Mike are both right. As a matter of fact, there are several definitions. In my opinion, the whole topic is adequately described in Interconnections, by Radia Perlman. Her take (in a nutshell) is that they are technically one in the same and that the difference is marketing terminology. Ethernet switches are essentially multi-port transparent bridges (but what bridge isn't 2 ports or more?). A Ethernet switch or bridge with only 2 ports could be called a switch or bridge depending on which one is a better market term. As time has evolved, new functionality has been introduced into Ethernet switches, but at their base functionality, it's all pretty much the same. -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bridge and switch [7:44649] A switch is a multiport bridge. Think of a bridge that bridges together 2 networks (i.e. has two interfaces, one in each network). Then supposed you upgrade to a 3 port bridge, that can connect 3 networks. keep adding ports up to 4, 8, 12, 24, or even 48 and that's a switch. The switch operates pretty much like a bridge where it watches the source MAC addresses in frames, builds a table of MAC addresses and corresponding ports (the CAM table), and forwards broadcasts or traffic destined for a MAC address not in it's CAM table out all ports (except the one it received the frame on) Mike W. rtiwari wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Could somebody will please describe me the difference in between bridge and switch. Thanks Ravi Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44660t=44649 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Router question.. [7:39788]
ISL or 802.1q trunk is an option if the interface hardware supports it. You configure 3 VLANs on the 2900. Trunk those 3 VLANs up to the 2600 and configure that Ethernet interface for ISL or 802.1q encapsulation with 3 subinterfaces, 1 for each VLAN. Another option also works on just one interfacesecondary IP addresses. It's not the best solution, but it would work as well. -Original Message- From: Ricky Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Router question.. [7:39788] Hi all, My boss just come up and give me a senario question like this. He told me that I owned a company which uses 3 different LANs, for example, 172.27.10.x, 172.27.11.x, 172.27.12.x. But I only have one cisco 2600 series router and 2900 series switch. I can't use the serial ports from the router. Just the two ethernet ports (by default). My question is, is it possible? Please advice. Thanks Ricky Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=39821t=39788 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448]
You can still pursue the CCDP. If you look at the certification tracking website, it should show you started your CCDP back when you started passing exams related to the CCNP or CCDA. I just did exactly the same thing. I passed my CCNP about 2 years ago and just got my CCDP with the CID test last month. It wasn't clear to me either based on what I could dig up on Cisco's website, however I scheduled the exam anyway and followed up on the tracking website to make sure it showed me as completing my CCDP. -Original Message- From: Daniel Ma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448] Well, I got my CCNP two years ago with old exam track. What if I want to get CCDP certification, do I need to take all the exams again, or I could just take the CID. Thanks, Daniel Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=39456t=39448 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448]
My CCNP will expire in about a year unless I re-certify. My CCDP lasts 3 years from that date that I passed the CID. -Original Message- From: Daniel Ma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 3:05 PM To: Moffett, Ryan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448] Does this mean your CCDP will be valid for three years from now on? or it will expire when your CCNP expires. Thanks, - Original Message - From: Moffett, Ryan To: 'Daniel Ma' ; Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: RE: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448] You can still pursue the CCDP. If you look at the certification tracking website, it should show you started your CCDP back when you started passing exams related to the CCNP or CCDA. I just did exactly the same thing. I passed my CCNP about 2 years ago and just got my CCDP with the CID test last month. It wasn't clear to me either based on what I could dig up on Cisco's website, however I scheduled the exam anyway and followed up on the tracking website to make sure it showed me as completing my CCDP. -Original Message- From: Daniel Ma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448] Well, I got my CCNP two years ago with old exam track. What if I want to get CCDP certification, do I need to take all the exams again, or I could just take the CID. Thanks, Daniel _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=39460t=39448 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448]
CCDA is a pre-req. -Original Message- From: Brian Zeitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448] Don't take my word for it, but don't you need the CCDA too for CCDP? Or is CCNA good enough? -Original Message- From: Daniel Ma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP to CCDP [7:39448] Well, I got my CCNP two years ago with old exam track. What if I want to get CCDP certification, do I need to take all the exams again, or I could just take the CID. Thanks, Daniel Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=39473t=39448 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ATM for CCIE [7:38772]
Cisco ATM Solutions, Cisco Press, by Galina Pildush. She also contributed to CCIE Practical Studies, Volume 1 by Cisco Press. ATM Theory and Applications by Spohn and McDysan is also a good reference. -Original Message- From: Matthew Meiers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ATM for CCIE [7:38772] Anyone know any good ATM books? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Persio Pucci Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 6:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ATM for CCIE [7:38772] Folks, I'm reading the CCIE Resource Kit 2001 Ed., and I think that the amount of information about ATM that the book covers is just insufficient for the test. Anybody feels like this? Or is it just enough? Any recommendation for ATM? Regards, Persio Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38789t=38772 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT/ Pass one Lab and hold two CCIE certs ? [7:38402]
CCIE = Hexadecimal CC1E = Decimal 52254. Took me a while too. :-) -Original Message- From: Steven A. Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT/ Pass one Lab and hold two CCIE certs ? [7:38402] I'm slow guys and gals, what with all these numbers after the CCIE? What CCIE #52254 summposed to mean? -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Dennis Laganiere wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... That's cute, but I think I'll wait for ccie #12648430 --- Dennis -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT/ Pass one Lab and hold two CCIE certs ? [7:38402] I get it! ;-) Priscilla CNX 01CCDD At 11:49 AM 3/15/02, Phil Barker wrote: What about the one who passes out as CCIE #52254 ? Phil. --- John Neiberger wrote: Change your last name to Ccie? :-) Or, include both the written and lab exam, e.g. John Neiberger, CCIE Written, CCIE RS #12005. Nah, because only one of those is a cert. I give up, what's the trick? John Phil Barker 3/15/02 8:44:23 AM How can you get CCIE after your name twice by only passing 1 CCIE Lab exam ? PS : Lateral thinking may be required Phil. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=38469t=38402 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: basic OSPF questions [7:37142]
Someone else has tackled the others, I go after #1): As you probably already know, in a lab setting, loopbacks are great for building up fictional stub networks to be used in reachability testing and summarization/filtering scenarios. For example, you can create interface loopback0 with an ip address of 10.1.1.1/24. By default, in OSPF, this loopback interface's network would be advertised as 10.1.1.1/32 even though you have specified the /24 mask. This makes for some confusion. If you specify on the loopback interface OSPF network type as point-to-point, it will force the /24 advertisement to be made instead of the /32. This makes the loopback interfaces appear to be just another stub network (not to be confused with OSPF stub area). Ryan -Original Message- From: bergenpeak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: basic OSPF questions [7:37142] 1) A loopback address is normally advertised by OSPF as a host route. The command ip ospf network point-to-point enables one to specify that the interface should be advertised as a subnet route. What are the benefits for doing this? 2) Must a link cost be the same on for all routers that share the link? Is there a protocol reason for this? Some other reason? 3) In the Exstart phase, how is the master selected? Chappel's book says RID while Doyle's say highest interface IP address. Which is it? 4) I'm somewhat unclear on the Exchange and the Loading states. When a router goes into Exchange state, does it send all DDPs it knows about before processing any DDPs received from other adjancent neighbors? Thus, a router goes into Exchange state, sends all DDPs it knows about, then goes into Loading state, where it issues LSRs for LSAs it wants more details on? Is this the process? 5) Is there a difference between DBD and DDP packets? Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=37162t=37142 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
