Re: Interview Question - OSPF
If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. -- Dave CCNP/CCDP/CCAI ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hello: > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same network. > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower than RIP, > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > Is that a correct answer ? > > Thanks, > > Billy > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
yep, that is correct if you accept the default metrics when configuring the router. It is also okay to overlap routing protocols, especially if you want to divide your routing, and control the updates. jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. -- Dave CCNP/CCDP/CCAI ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hello: > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same network. > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower than RIP, > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > Is that a correct answer ? > > Thanks, > > Billy > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
Would you think it this way . his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols in the same network. why would you? .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and appletalk . PQ "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > -- > Dave > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hello: > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same network. > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower than > RIP, > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
OSPF doesn't support desktop protocols. Your thinking of EIGRP. JOE CCNP, CCDP, and a few other things... CCIE Lab - May 27/28 ""pedro quezada"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8gi5vd$ths$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gi5vd$ths$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and appletalk > . > > PQ > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
hmmm, ospf doens NOT support ipx or appletalk, thats EIGRP. and yes you might want to redistribute a rip network into an ospf network, remember he said network not a LAN. The whole purpose os an ASBR, is to connect an OSPF area to the outside world, or any other routing protocol. so YES, you might want to have both rip and ospf on your network. just like you can also coexist IP and IPX, it works the same way. Redistribution is the key here. of course if the guy meant, ok well we're gona run both rip and ospf on EVERY router in our entwork, id say flat out in his face hes just plain stupid. but hey thats me. Morgan > -Message d'origine- > De: pedro quezada [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 05:17 > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols > in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and > appletalk > . > > PQ > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same > network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower > than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
Title: RE: Interview Question - OSPF I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be feasible" My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my IPX implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These types of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on forever in the different answers. However, not with a HR type that has a list of 10 technical questions to ask you. He writes down your response and explanation and gives it to the technical manager to interpret your responses. The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you interpreted the question. In most cases the person doing the first round interview cannot elaborate on the question because they don't necessarily understand the question or know the answer. -Original Message- From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF Would you think it this way . his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols in the same network. why would you? .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and appletalk . PQ "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" TARGET="_blank">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > -- > Dave > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]" TARGET="_blank">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hello: > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same network. > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower than > RIP, > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
This of course leaves the way open to get your non-technical HR person to ask bizarre, embarrasing or just plain impossible questions. "So, Mr Berkowitz, could you please explain when a static RIP route would be useful between autonymous systems?" "Mr Lammle, when you've wired the left-handed wedgie-strap to the Cisco trouter port, what's the next step to getting true voice over avian-carrier signalling?" "Assuming you are in the correct mode, what is the command to enable bidirectional?" Oh, how we would larf... --- "Carrico, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would > be > feasible" > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for > my IPX > implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These > types of > questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on > forever in the > different answers. However, not with a HR type that has a list of > 10 > technical questions to ask you. He writes down your response and > explanation and gives it to the technical manager to interpret your > responses. > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you > interpreted the > question. In most cases the person doing the first round interview > cannot > elaborate on the question because they don't necessarily understand > the > question or know the answer. > > -Original Message- > From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same > network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run > both protocols in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as > ipx and appletalk > . > > PQ > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you > are correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > message > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on > the same network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but > it is not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative > Distance lower than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
ROFL LMAO, i didnt think of that one, they ask, can ospf and rip coexist in the same network, you tell him, well man, be clear, either way it can coexist, but your not giving me enough info, are u runing RIP Ip or RIP IPX, do u redistribute ur rip ip into ur ospf, because you wont be able to redistrib ipx routes into an ip routing table, that would mean if you want to do that, then you need to run eigrp, muahaha, those kind of questions are so stupid, its a loop, it can go on forever, he asks a question, you answer with 10 questions telling him to be more specific, i love this . heheh Morgan > -Message d'origine- > De: Carrico, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 14:18 > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: RE: Interview Question - OSPF > > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be > feasible" > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my IPX > implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These types > of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on forever in > the different answers. However, not with a HR type that has a list of 10 > technical questions to ask you. He writes down your response and > explanation and gives it to the technical manager to interpret your > responses. > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you interpreted > the question. In most cases the person doing the first round interview > cannot elaborate on the question because they don't necessarily understand > the question or know the answer. > > -Original Message- > From: pedro quezada [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run > both protocols in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and > appletalk > . > > PQ > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are > correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same > network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is > not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance > lower than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > <http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html> > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > <http://www.groupstudy.com> > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > <http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html> > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > <http://www.groupstudy.com> > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > <http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html> > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > <http://www.groupstudy.com> > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
> This of course leaves the way open to get your non-technical HR > person to ask bizarre, embarrasing or just plain impossible > questions. > > "So, Mr Berkowitz, could you please explain when a static RIP route > would be useful between autonymous systems?" > > "Mr Lammle, when you've wired the left-handed wedgie-strap to the > Cisco trouter port, what's the next step to getting true voice over > avian-carrier signalling?" > I would say that depends on whether the avian carrier is African or European. :-) ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
I at no point said it was a good idea I know VLSM and discontigous subnets break rip - we don't know enough from the previous post to make assumptions. I can agree that it's rare to find REAL networks with contigous subnets, and the same length subnet mask network wide, but it happens. I know it's pointless to run them both like that, RIP would just consume bandwidth, processor, and depending on the design of the internetwork, break routing all together Redistribution is a wonderful thing, easy to implement, and efficient The point of my post wasn't to argue these points. You mentioned you would call somebody stupid, flat out, if they wanted to run rip and ospf network wide. I don't agree with that, perhaps the "stupid" individual doesn't understand VLSM and contigous subnets, maybe he thinks ospf and rip will operate like normal, and the ospf routes will be put in the route table before the rip routes due to admin distance, maybe he hasn't heard of redistribution? That isn't stupid.. just uninformed. Anyway, I didnt mean to start a big flame, so I apologize for picking your spelling apart, I just dont like it when people take the "this guy's an idiot" towards people who are just a tad bit mis-informed. So, to make this thread worthwhile, to the originator of this thread and the guy who mixed ospf and eigrp up: 1) EIGRP is the protocol that can handle ip,ipx,apple 2) running rip and ospf network wide, with no redistribution scheme at all will BREAK routing in all but a few rare situations, and in those situations where it wont completely destroy the routing tables network wide, it would merely consume bandwidth, and serve no purpose. 3) RIP can't handle VLSM (Variable Length Subnet Mask, aka dividing an address space unequally) but can handle subnetting where you use the same length mask network wide. 4) Due to RIP's auto summarizing, it doesnt advertise subnets out an interface on a different network, rather it advertises the entire network, so if you have 192.168.1.1/30 -- (routera) 10.1.1.1/8---10.1.1.2/8- (routerb)192.168.1.5/30 you can see, 192.168.1.0 is split with the 10.0.0.0 network, so routera will advertise 192.168.1.0/24 out on the 10.1.1.1 interface, and routerb will advertise the same out it's 10.1.1.2 interface. So both router's learn they have routers to 192.168.1.0 through each interface..you can see how this breaks routings. This demonstrates how discontigous subnets break rip, but if you put a secondary addresse on the 10.1.1.1 and 10.1.1.2 interface, maybe 192.168.1.9/30 and .10/30, then you would create a contigous subnet, and rip would function correctly (note you would have 2 packets coming out on the 10.0.0.0 segment per router, one for the primary and one for the secondary address, consuming double the bandwidth). Maybe im misinformed? This is the information i've learned from reading Doyle's book, and running these protocols at work. Richard - Original Message - From: "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Richard Holland'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Interview Question - OSPF oh, yet another spell checking maniac. im sorry, in the posting requirements for this site, no one ever mentioned spell checking as being required. dont mistake a typo for a spell check as well. and instead of talking about me being arrogant (which i am not) , prove to me that it isnt stupid. rip by default, since it wasnt specified, is V1, therefor no VLSM used, and since ospf does use it, it stands to reason it would be used, since it is on most networks today, so that means rip is gona find discontiguous networks left and right, great for the waste of your routers processing time. and your gona get rip chatting on your network for no reason, plus the endless routes unreachable you will get since rip's max distance for a reachable host is 15, add to that the fact that you might have nt stations or unix listening passively for rip updates to learn their gateway from, YES, IT IS STUPID! either prove me wrong, and flame at will, or keep your opinion about my personal characteristics to yourself. it wasnt meant as a personal insult to any1, it was more meant to in the nature of a little laugh. seriously, give me one good reason, why youd run both ospf and rip on the same networks, and the same routers. not talking about an asbr ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
> > This of course leaves the way open to get your non-technical HR > > person to ask bizarre, embarrasing or just plain impossible > > questions. > > > > "So, Mr Berkowitz, could you please explain when a static RIP route > > would be useful between autonymous systems?" In reality, I've been researching a lightweight RIP variant simply for keepalives between private AS and providers. Special application though. Scott Bradner made unpleasant noises when he heard my initial thought. Nevertheless, I agree about the silly questions. Every few weeks, I get a recruiter or HR person calling me to ask if I'm interested in "being a Cisco engineer." One of the telltale questions that tells me this is not exactly relevant is "how many routers have you worked with?" How many routers are in the Internet? I certainly don't know, although I could take a crack at the number of AS. There were 2500 or so in AT&T's internal network when I consulted on it. MCI's frame service uses about 1000 routers. A really...sharp...recruiter paused and said "my client needs someone with hands-on experience in a real network with 50 or so routers. Do you have such experience?" > > > > "Mr Lammle, when you've wired the left-handed wedgie-strap to the > > Cisco trouter port, what's the next step to getting true voice over > > avian-carrier signalling?" > > > >I would say that depends on whether the avian carrier is African or >European. :-) > Ummmyou're looking at the problem in an implementation-specific manner. Do you really think the IETF has stood still since RFC 1149? RFC 2549 IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service. D. Waitzman. April-01-1999. (Format: TXT=9519 bytes) (Updates 1149)(Status: INFORMATIONAL) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
hmm, I find it's a bad idea to call somebody stupid. Even if the guy wants to run ospf and rip on every router in his "entwork", ospf would bump the rip routes due to the lower admin. distance. You'd have a real CHATTY "entwork" due to that, and I would agree that there is absolutely no point to that design at all. Anyhow... the point of the original question was, can they coexist. Yes - they can, wether or not it's a good idea wasn't discussed at that point. My suggestion - before you pour your arrogance on, check your spelling Richard of course if the guy meant, ok well we're gona run both rip and ospf on EVERY router in our entwork, id say flat out in his face hes just plain stupid. but hey thats me. Morgan > -Message d'origine- > De: pedro quezada [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 05:17 > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols > in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and > appletalk > . > > PQ > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same > network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower > than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
oh, yet another spell checking maniac. im sorry, in the posting requirements for this site, no one ever mentioned spell checking as being required. dont mistake a typo for a spell check as well. and instead of talking about me being arrogant (which i am not) , prove to me that it isnt stupid. rip by default, since it wasnt specified, is V1, therefor no VLSM used, and since ospf does use it, it stands to reason it would be used, since it is on most networks today, so that means rip is gona find discontiguous networks left and right, great for the waste of your routers processing time. and your gona get rip chatting on your network for no reason, plus the endless routes unreachable you will get since rip's max distance for a reachable host is 15, add to that the fact that you might have nt stations or unix listening passively for rip updates to learn their gateway from, YES, IT IS STUPID! either prove me wrong, and flame at will, or keep your opinion about my personal characteristics to yourself. it wasnt meant as a personal insult to any1, it was more meant to in the nature of a little laugh. seriously, give me one good reason, why youd run both ospf and rip on the same networks, and the same routers. not talking about an asbr > -Message d'origine- > De: Richard Holland [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 16:41 > À:Dollard Morgan; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > hmm, > > I find it's a bad idea to call somebody stupid. Even if the guy wants to > run ospf and rip on every router in his "entwork", ospf would bump the rip > routes due to the lower admin. distance. You'd have a real CHATTY > "entwork" > due to that, and I would agree that there is absolutely no point to that > design at all. Anyhow... the point of the original question was, can they > coexist. Yes - they can, wether or not it's a good idea wasn't discussed > at > that point. > > My suggestion - before you pour your arrogance on, check your spelling > > Richard > > of course if the guy meant, ok well we're gona run both rip and ospf on > EVERY router in our entwork, id say flat out in his face hes just plain > stupid. > but hey thats me. > Morgan > > > -Message d'origine- > > De: pedro quezada [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 05:17 > > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Objet: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > > Would you think it this way . > > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? > > > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols > > in > > the same network. > > > > why would you? > > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and > > appletalk > > . > > > > PQ > > > > > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave > > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same > > network. > > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower > > than > > > RIP, > > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
> > > > > > "Mr Lammle, when you've wired the left-handed wedgie-strap to the > > > Cisco trouter port, what's the next step to getting true voice over > > > avian-carrier signalling?" > > > > > > >I would say that depends on whether the avian carrier is African or > >European. :-) > > > > > Ummmyou're looking at the problem in an implementation-specific > manner. Do you really think the IETF has stood still since RFC 1149? > > > RFC 2549 IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service. D. Waitzman. > April-01-1999. (Format: TXT=9519 bytes) (Updates 1149)(Status: > INFORMATIONAL) Ah, I just read that RFC. I see now that with the new QoS features, the nationality and specific lineage of the avian carrier is not entirely relevant...unless it's a penguin. ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
i meant "does not support" destop protocols sorry that was a typo . "Joe Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8gicf4$bfi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gicf4$bfi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > OSPF doesn't support desktop protocols. Your thinking of EIGRP. > > JOE > CCNP, CCDP, and a few other things... > CCIE Lab - May 27/28 > > > ""pedro quezada"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8gi5vd$ths$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gi5vd$ths$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Would you think it this way . > > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same network ? > > > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run both protocols > in > > the same network. > > > > why would you? > > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as ipx and > appletalk > > . > > > > PQ > > > > > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you are correct. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave > > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on the same > network. > > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but it is not > > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative Distance lower > than > > > RIP, > > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
I think being questioned like that is obnioxous, and CCIE or CCNP should be enough proof. No one knows everything, and the technology keeps changing..etc. So the learning never ends...period. And I would call him stupid for running RIP and OSPF on the same network on every router, or I'd tell him it's better to pass all SAPs advertisement on every router too, and let's throw in a few more NETWARE file servers to make a broadcast farm and bring down the network. hehe "Carrico, Robert" wrote: > > > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be > feasible" > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my > IPX implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These > types of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on > forever in the different answers. However, not with a HR type that > has a list of 10 technical questions to ask you. He writes down your > response and explanation and gives it to the technical manager to > interpret your responses. > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you > interpreted the question. In most cases the person doing the first > round interview cannot elaborate on the question because they don't > necessarily understand the question or know the answer. > > -Original Message- > From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same > network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run > both protocols in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as > ipx and appletalk > . > > PQ > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you > are correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > message > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on > the same network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but > it is not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative > Distance lower than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
Kurt - Your joking right??? Do you really expect an employer not to put a tech candidate through a tech screening? Just because someone has certs does not mean they know what they are doing. Yes, an argument can be made that CCIE's know their stuff. And I would have to agree, but I would still put one through a tech screen. As an employer, I need to make sure the candidate knows what I need them to know. If I am hiring a CCIE, he better know his stuff. Other then the certs, how do you suggest I check on his knowledge. In addition to finding out if the candidate is proficient, the tech screen allows you to put the candidate in a stressful situation and see how they react. Sometimes the answers to the questions are not as important as the way the candidate reacts to the situation. If I asked someone a similar question, and got your response, I would probably end the interview pretty quickly. Joe > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Kurt > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:36 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > I think being questioned like that is obnioxous, and CCIE or CCNP should > be enough proof. No one knows everything, and the technology keeps > changing..etc. So the learning never ends...period. And I would call him > stupid for running RIP and OSPF on the same network on every router, or > I'd tell him it's better to pass all SAPs advertisement on every router > too, and let's throw in a few more NETWARE file servers to make a > broadcast farm and bring down the network. hehe > > "Carrico, Robert" wrote: > > > > > > > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. > > > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be > > feasible" > > > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my > > IPX implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These > > types of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on > > forever in the different answers. However, not with a HR type that > > has a list of 10 technical questions to ask you. He writes down your > > response and explanation and gives it to the technical manager to > > interpret your responses. > > > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you > > interpreted the question. In most cases the person doing the first > > round interview cannot elaborate on the question because they don't > > necessarily understand the question or know the answer. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject:Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > > Would you think it this way . > > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same > > network ? > > > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run > > both protocols in > > the same network. > > > > why would you? > > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as > > ipx and appletalk > > . > > > > PQ > > > > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you > > are correct. > > > > > > -- > > > Dave > > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > > message > > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on > > the same network. > > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but > > it is not > > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative > > Distance lower than > > > RIP, > > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > &
Re: Interview Question - OSPF
A tech screening is one thing. And if the person asking the techincal questions is a techincal person, that's fine too. That allows an intelligent conversation to start between the two techincal people, and the person doing the asking will get a good feel for what the interviewee knows Having said that, too many places have their goons from HR that don't know technical squat to come and give a "technical screening". That's crazy. It happens way too often, especially in gov't jobs. You said "If I am hiring a CCIE, he better know his stuff. Other then the certs, how do you suggest I check on his knowledge." Although I realize that many times people can get "paper certs" without truly understanding the what it's about, I'd be willing to say that CCIE speaks for itself. That isn't simply a test you study a month for, and walk in and BAM! you're a CCIE. To me if there one one cert (out of all of them) that I would accept at face value without question, it would be the CCIE. Not to say I would ask questions (like you mentioned) to see how a person reacts to a situation. But I also agree (with whomever said it) that learning never stops, no one can know everything, and most times the people doing the techincal questioning aren't technical people... I've been in that spot, where someone that is *not* technical is questioning my techincal skills. That kind of crap doesn't need to happen.. My 2 cents... Mike W. "Joe Szczepanski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000701bfcbb2$1b4fe020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000701bfcbb2$1b4fe020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Kurt - > Your joking right??? Do you really expect an employer not to put a tech > candidate through a tech screening? Just because someone has certs does not > mean they know what they are doing. Yes, an argument can be made that > CCIE's know their stuff. And I would have to agree, but I would still put > one through a tech screen. As an employer, I need to make sure the > candidate knows what I need them to know. If I am hiring a CCIE, he better > know his stuff. Other then the certs, how do you suggest I check on his > knowledge. In addition to finding out if the candidate is proficient, the > tech screen allows you to put the candidate in a stressful situation and see > how they react. Sometimes the answers to the questions are not as important > as the way the candidate reacts to the situation. If I asked someone a > similar question, and got your response, I would probably end the interview > pretty quickly. > > Joe > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Kurt > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:36 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > > > > I think being questioned like that is obnioxous, and CCIE or CCNP should > > be enough proof. No one knows everything, and the technology keeps > > changing..etc. So the learning never ends...period. And I would call him > > stupid for running RIP and OSPF on the same network on every router, or > > I'd tell him it's better to pass all SAPs advertisement on every router > > too, and let's throw in a few more NETWARE file servers to make a > > broadcast farm and bring down the network. hehe > > > > "Carrico, Robert" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. > > > > > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be > > > feasible" > > > > > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my > > > IPX implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These > > > types of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on > > > forever in the different answers. However, not with a HR type that > > > has a list of 10 technical questions to ask you. He writes down your > > > response and explanation and gives it to the technical manager to > > > interpret your responses. > > > > > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you > > > interpreted the question. In most cases the person doing the first > > > round interview cannot elaborate on the question because they don't > > > necessarily understand the question or know the answer. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM > > >
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
Unfortunately, there are already those who claim certification, and even present faked credentials. As a former hiring manager, and as a certified candidate, I have no problem with an interview structured around this kind of discovery. The interview serves a couple of purposes. For the candidate it is the place where one demonstrates the ability to do the job, demonstrates that there will be value added, and allows a chance to discover if this is the right place for the candidate to work - right people, right attitude, right growth potential, right salary. For the employer it is the place where one discovers if the candidate fits, if the background is there, if interactive skills are acceptable, any other intangibles. There is already an industry built around diploma mills. For x dollars they will present you with a very nice diploma from the university of your choice. If the technical field were to take certification as the ONLY criteria, with no discovery process, how long do you think it would be until some printing press somewhere was cranking out CCIE certificates? Speaking of cranking out, any recent CCNP's received their package from Cisco yet? It has been eight weeks since my award, and almost six weeks since the galton site indicated I was in the system. My boss is asking. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF I think being questioned like that is obnioxous, and CCIE or CCNP should be enough proof. No one knows everything, and the technology keeps changing..etc. So the learning never ends...period. And I would call him stupid for running RIP and OSPF on the same network on every router, or I'd tell him it's better to pass all SAPs advertisement on every router too, and let's throw in a few more NETWARE file servers to make a broadcast farm and bring down the network. hehe "Carrico, Robert" wrote: > > > I believe people analyze these types of questions too much. > > I would say "You have to run something besides OSPF and RIP would be > feasible" > > My answer is based on I'm running IP and IPX, so I choose RIP for my > IPX implementation. What it boils down to is your explanation. These > types of questions are general and a conversation or thread can go on > forever in the different answers. However, not with a HR type that > has a list of 10 technical questions to ask you. He writes down your > response and explanation and gives it to the technical manager to > interpret your responses. > > The difficult part is you have to be sure to explain how you > interpreted the question. In most cases the person doing the first > round interview cannot elaborate on the question because they don't > necessarily understand the question or know the answer. > > -Original Message- > From: pedro quezada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > Would you think it this way . > his question was can ospf and rip coexist in the same > network ? > > I would have answered yes; because it is true you can run > both protocols in > the same network. > > why would you? > .remeber that ospf does support desktop protocols such as > ipx and appletalk > . > > PQ > > > "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8ggg89$33d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If they are both advertising the same networks, then you > are correct. > > > > -- > > Dave > > CCNP/CCDP/CCAI > > ""Billy Monroe"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > message > > 8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gei4j$67u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello: > > > > > > An interviewer asked if I could enable RIP and OSPF on > the same network. > > > I answered that it is possible to overlap protocols, but > it is not > > > recommended. I said that OSPF has an Administrative > Distance lower than > > RIP, > > > so OSPF will be the procotol in use. > > > > > > Is that a correct answer ? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > >
RE: Interview Question - OSPF
Mike - I fully agree with you that the person doing the tech screen should be another tech. Our HR department is always asking me to furnish them with a list of tech questions and answers for prospective candidates. I keep refusing. As far as not asking the CCIE questions, I must disagree. While I value the CCIE as I aspire to obtain mine one day, I would still put them through a tech screen. I wouldn't disrespect them by asking them things such as "at what level of the osi model does routing happen", but I would make sure that there skill sets are compatible with what we are looking for. For example, If I was an ISP looking for a CCIE, I would make sure that they knew BGP inside and out. Hypothetically, what if a candidate has had their CCIE for a number of years, but has not worked at a shop where they are required to use BGP skills (like I said, Hypothetically). They may have their CCIE, but I wont know if their skill set is aligned with the skill set I need without a tech screen. Joe > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Michael L. Williams > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > A tech screening is one thing. And if the person asking the techincal > questions is a techincal person, that's fine too. That allows an > intelligent conversation to start between the two techincal > people, and the > person doing the asking will get a good feel for what the interviewee > knows Having said that, too many places have their goons from HR > that don't know technical squat to come and give a "technical > screening". That's crazy. It happens way too often, especially in > gov't jobs. > > You said "If I am hiring a CCIE, he better know his stuff. Other then the > certs, how do you suggest I check on his knowledge." Although I realize > that many times people can get "paper certs" without truly > understanding the > what it's about, I'd be willing to say that CCIE speaks for itself. That > isn't simply a test you study a month for, and walk in and BAM! you're a > CCIE. To me if there one one cert (out of all of them) that I > would accept > at face value without question, it would be the CCIE. Not to say I would > ask questions (like you mentioned) to see how a person reacts to a > situation. But I also agree (with whomever said it) that learning never > stops, no one can know everything, and most times the people doing the > techincal questioning aren't technical people... I've been in that > spot, where someone that is *not* technical is questioning my techincal > skills. That kind of crap doesn't need to happen.. > > My 2 cents... > > Mike W. > > > "Joe Szczepanski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 000701bfcbb2$1b4fe020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000701bfcbb2$1b4fe020$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Kurt - > > Your joking right??? Do you really expect an employer not to put a tech > > candidate through a tech screening? Just because someone has certs does > not > > mean they know what they are doing. Yes, an argument can be made that > > CCIE's know their stuff. And I would have to agree, but I > would still put > > one through a tech screen. As an employer, I need to make sure the > > candidate knows what I need them to know. If I am hiring a CCIE, he > better > > know his stuff. Other then the certs, how do you suggest I check on his > > knowledge. In addition to finding out if the candidate is > proficient, the > > tech screen allows you to put the candidate in a stressful situation and > see > > how they react. Sometimes the answers to the questions are not as > important > > as the way the candidate reacts to the situation. If I asked someone a > > similar question, and got your response, I would probably end the > interview > > pretty quickly. > > > > Joe > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > Kurt > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 2:36 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Interview Question - OSPF > > > > > > > > > I think being questioned like that is obnioxous, and CCIE or > CCNP should > > > be enough proof. No one knows everything, and the technology keeps > > > changing..etc. So the learning never ends...period. And I > would call him > > > stupid for running RIP and OSPF on the same network on every > router, or > > > I'd tell him it'
