Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Great pictures Rob. Amazing. 
Definite pattern professionally done, but I don't have any idea why they would 
do that. If C&C wanted to create a vent, why not space the holes further apart 
on both sides? I believe they help vent but that pattern of holes seems 
intended for another purpose. I don't think the holes would help the mast break 
there as suggested, but I'm not an engineer. If it did break there, it would 
tear out the whole collar and coachtop like a can opener. And imagine how that 
butt end might swing around inside the cabin before actually disconnecting. The 
desired breakpoint should be above the deck. Just sayin. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" , "Robert Abbott" 
 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 12:07:33 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes 

When I read it, in that context it made sense. I can point to many cases where 
designers put in 'fail-safe' point to avoid larger or more expensive damage. 
Fuses in electric circuits, shear-pins on outboards are good examples... 

As I sail in SoCal, the rig going over in a blow really was not foremost on my 
mind; so I did not give it any more thought till now. So I was wrong. Though, 
when I stay on the boat in the winter I wrap a towel on the mast to block the 
warm air to escape. :-) 

Leslie 

 
On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott  wrote: 

Subject: Mast Holes 
To: "Leslie Paal" , "cnc-listCNC boat owners" 
 
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:11 PM 

Question is, in this 
case, we are not sure if you believed in things you 
read, and /or posted on the internet . 

Rob 



On 2014/06/12 1:01 PM, 
Leslie Paal wrote: 
> That's what you 
get when you believe things you read on the internet. 
:-( 
> 
> Leslie. 
> 
> 
 
> On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via 
CnC-List  
wrote: 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Mast 
Holes 
> To: "Chuck 
S" , 
"CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 
2014, 7:29 AM 
> 
> 
> 
Chuck: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
I don't have any pics of the mast holes 
but I will 
> take some 
the 
> next time I 
am on the boat. Yes they are definitely 
> in a 
> 
pattern. 
> 
> 

> 
> We bought our 32 
from the original owner that ordered 
> the boat 
> from C&C, 
Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984. He told 
> me the mast 
> holes were part of 
the 'special order(s)' he 
> wanted.the mast 
> holes were for 
ventilation and not for the purpose 
> Leslie Paal 
> described in an 
earlier post: 
> 
> "The primary 
reason is to have a 'fail 
> safe' point on the keel 
stepped mast in case the loss of 
> standing rigging. If the 
mast was going over it would not 
> open up the cabin as badly. 
I agree the ventilation is a 
> great bonus. 
> 
> 
> 




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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

When I read it, in that context it made sense.  I can point to many cases where 
designers put in 'fail-safe' point to avoid larger or more expensive damage.  
Fuses in electric circuits, shear-pins on outboards are good examples...

As I sail in SoCal, the rig going over in a blow really was not foremost on my 
mind; so I did not give it any more thought till now. So I was wrong.  Though, 
when I stay on the boat in the winter I wrap a towel on the mast to block the 
warm air to escape.  :-) 

Leslie


On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott  wrote:

 Subject: Mast Holes
 To: "Leslie Paal" , "cnc-listCNC boat owners" 

 Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:11 PM
 
 Question is, in this
 case, we are not sure if you believed in things you 
 read, and /or posted on the internet .
 
 Rob
 
 
 
 On 2014/06/12 1:01 PM,
 Leslie Paal wrote:
 > That's what you
 get when you believe things you read on the internet. 
 :-(
 >
 > Leslie.
 >
 >
 
 > On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via
 CnC-List 
 wrote:
 >
 >   Subject: Stus-List Mast
 Holes
 >   To: "Chuck
 S" ,
 "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
 >   Date: Thursday, June 12,
 2014, 7:29 AM
 >   
 >   
 >   
    Chuck:
 >   
 >         
 >   
 >     
    I don't have any pics of the mast holes
 but I will
 >   take some
 the
 >         next time I
 am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely
 >   in a
 > 
        pattern.
 >   
 >     
    
 >   
 >         We bought our 32
 from the original owner that ordered
 >   the boat
 >         from C&C,
 Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told
 >   me the mast
 >         holes were part of
 the 'special order(s)' he
 >   wanted.the mast
 >         holes were for
 ventilation and not for the purpose
 >   Leslie Paal
 >         described in an
 earlier post:
 >   
 >         "The primary
 reason is to have a 'fail
 >   safe' point on the keel
 stepped mast in case the loss of
 >   standing rigging.  If the
 mast was going over it would not
 >   open up the cabin as badly. 
 I agree the ventilation is a
 >   great bonus.
 >   
 >
 >
 
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Stanchion bases

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Holland Marine Products carry C&C stanchion bases: 
http://www.hollandmarine.com/CCfolder/CC001.html

From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:52 AM
To: Paul Fountain ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stanchion bases

There seem to be two types of base that look the same.  I ordered a new based 
from South Shore a couple of years ago and it looks identical to all the others 
except the stanchion is angled out 10 degrees on the new one...  Worth 
checking. 

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT



On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Yes they do …. Call Rob ….



  http://southshoreyachts.com/contact/





  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
  Sent: June 12, 2014 11:28 AM
  To: CandC List
  Subject: Stus-List Stanchion bases



  I am looking for a couple stanchion bases. They are the kind which have two 
bolt holes that go through the toe rail and a third which goes through the 
deck. I would prefer some used ones as they would match the ones on the boat 
(34 years old) but would take a new one.



  Does South Shore still carry them? And, how do I contact them.



  Thanks, 

  Gary

  30-1


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Stus-List Mast Holes

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Question is, in this case, we are not sure if you believed in things you 
read, and /or posted on the internet .


Rob



On 2014/06/12 1:01 PM, Leslie Paal wrote:

That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet.  :-(

Leslie.


On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List  wrote:

  Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes
  To: "Chuck S" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 

  Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM
  
  
  Chuck:
  

  
I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will

  take some the
next time I am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely
  in a
pattern.
  

  
We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered

  the boat
from C&C, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told
  me the mast
holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he
  wanted.the mast
holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose
  Leslie Paal
described in an earlier post:
  
"The primary reason is to have a 'fail

  safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of
  standing rigging.  If the mast was going over it would not
  open up the cabin as badly.  I agree the ventilation is a
  great bonus.
  







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Re: Stus-List Backstay Tension

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Alan, Dennis, Martin,

I appreciate the replies.  We have also repaired "smiles" - small grins at
least - at the rear of the keel seasonally with ever increasing structure
over the last few years, hence my reticence to crank on rather than the rod
force.  We had short waves ~3' plus out of alignment with the waves, so not
an easy state, but I was not impressed by our pointing compared to other
boats where we are normally reasonable comparable.We had max baby stay
on to flatten the main, which we ended up reefing (plus a 110% jib), so
maybe that wasn't the best move.

My experimentation for this weekend will be to stand the mast up a little
more (take rake out at the step) and shorten the forestay a little then try
again.  The current setup works very well in 12-15 true, but I have not yet
worked out waves and wind.

Thanks,

Tim


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Guess I'm wondering what the wave state was.  If you had 2+ foot seas, you
> may want a bit of sag for power.  If the seas were flat then I could see a
> fairly straight forestay but not at the risk of damaging the boat.
>
> I rarely use more than 1100 lbs on my Navtec.  I've seen a "smile" at the
> aft end of the keel on haul out and suspect excess backstay tension as the
> culprit.
>
> I've found my 35-1 likes a bit of sag even in heavy air.  Seems to open
> the slot ever so slightly and allow the boat to "breathe".
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim:
>>
>> It's important to know the force being applied, not the pressure.  Force
>> is equal to pressure multiplied by the area of the hydraulic cylinder, and
>> all cylinders are not the same.  There's a Navtec manual on the photoalbum
>> web site.  Find out which hydraulic cylinder you have, and look up the
>> cylinder's area in the Navtec manual.  The C&C 35   uses #10 rod, with a
>> breaking strength of 10,300 lbs. Recommended preload limit is 25% - 33% of
>> breaking strength, or 2600 - 3,400 lbs.  Absolute preload limit is 40% of
>> breaking strength or 4,100 lbs.  You can use these numbers to figure out
>> the recommended and maximum pressures based on your cylinder size.  You can
>> also order a free, force ring label from Navtec to apply to your hydraulic
>> gauge.  Remember to specify cylinder size when ordering the Force ring
>> label.
>>
>> Alan Bergen
>> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>> Rose City YC
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> Hi all 35-3 racers (and others with hydraulics), how much do you tension
>> your backstay to get an acceptably straight forestay in 20-25kts?  We were
>> racing in that last night and our forestay was way looser than I wanted
>> with the backstay at 2000psi (2 on the hydraulic panel).  I have never gone
>> above this before (1.8 seemed to be plenty for most conditions last year),
>> but wondered what others maxed out at.
>>
>> I think the backstay is -10 rod with associated cylinder and we have a
>> navtec panel that manages both backstay and vang.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>> Mojito
>> C&C 35-3
>> Branford, CT
>>
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Re: Stus-List Backstay Tension

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

... just watch the boat bend ...
 
  Don 
         
  



 From: Alan Bergen via CnC-List 
To: C&C Photoalbum email list  
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:54:37 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay Tension
 


Tim:


It's important to know the force being applied, not the pressure.  Force is 
equal to pressure multiplied by the area of the hydraulic cylinder, and all 
cylinders are not the same.  There's a Navtec manual on the photoalbum web 
site.  Find out which hydraulic cylinder you have, and look up the cylinder's 
area in the Navtec manual.  The C&C 35   uses #10 rod, with a breaking strength 
of 10,300 lbs. Recommended preload limit is 25% - 33% of breaking strength, or 
2600 - 3,400 lbs.  Absolute preload limit is 40% of breaking strength or 4,100 
lbs.  You can use these numbers to figure out the recommended and maximum 
pressures based on your cylinder size.  You can also order a free, force ring 
label from Navtec to apply to your hydraulic gauge.  Remember to specify 
cylinder size when ordering the Force ring label.

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR


Hi all 35-3 racers (and others with hydraulics), how much do you tension your 
backstay to get an acceptably straight forestay in 20-25kts?  We were racing in 
that last night and our forestay was way looser than I wanted with the backstay 
at 2000psi (2 on the hydraulic panel).  I have never gone above this before 
(1.8 seemed to be plenty for most conditions last year), but wondered what 
others maxed out at.

I think the backstay is -10 rod with associated cylinder and we have a navtec 
panel that manages both backstay and vang.

Thanks,

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
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Re: Stus-List Stanchion bases

[Charlie Normand via CnC-List]

you  may want to try Holland Marine, they carry lots of C&C parts and is where 
I ordered my bases.

Charlie

ShadowDancer
33 MK II

Jamestown, Ri.
On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> Yes they do …. Call Rob ….
>  
> http://southshoreyachts.com/contact/
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
> Nylander via CnC-List
> Sent: June 12, 2014 11:28 AM
> To: CandC List
> Subject: Stus-List Stanchion bases
>  
> I am looking for a couple stanchion bases. They are the kind which have two 
> bolt holes that go through the toe rail and a third which goes through the 
> deck. I would prefer some used ones as they would match the ones on the boat 
> (34 years old) but would take a new one.
>  
> Does South Shore still carry them? And, how do I contact them.
>  
> Thanks,
> Gary
> 30-1
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Stus-List Mast Holes

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Chuck and anyone else wanting a picture of the 'mast holes' on our C&C 
32, I will send offline..there are 12 1/2" diameter holes and I am 
confident they are there for ventilation purposes and no other 
reasonappears Wally has them on 'Stella Blue' and feels they are 
effective for ventilation.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote:

Hi Rob,
Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast?  Are 
they in a pattern?  Why only on one side?


Thanks,

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
*To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" , "David" 


*Sent: *Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM
*Subject: *Stus-List Mast Holes

The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to aid in ventilation.  
There are about a dozen 1/4" holes on our mast, port side just below 
the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked 
into the holes and up the mast.  I would see no logical reason to 
cover these holes under normal circumstances.


And I don't think C&C would have put them there if they thought it 
would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner.


Tell your friend it is not a concern.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




*From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*To: *"David Knecht" mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good
ventilation below.  The mast acts like a chimney especially on
not days.  The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the
mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin
hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air
below decks

Cheers

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
] *On Behalf Of *David
Knecht via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
*To:* CnC CnC discussion list
*Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can
someone clarify what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave

Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT


Begin forwarded message:




*From: *"jwstah...@comcast.net "
mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net>>

*Subject: C&C question*

*Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT

*To: *"F5, David" mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>

Hi Dave,

I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or
8) of 1/4" holes drilled in the mast section just below the
mast boot in the cabin, port side only.  The first time I saw
this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After
seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason
for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the
section?  Is there another reason?  Is it something I should
be concerned about?

Thanks,

John




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Re: Stus-List Backstay Tension

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Guess I'm wondering what the wave state was.  If you had 2+ foot seas, you
may want a bit of sag for power.  If the seas were flat then I could see a
fairly straight forestay but not at the risk of damaging the boat.

I rarely use more than 1100 lbs on my Navtec.  I've seen a "smile" at the
aft end of the keel on haul out and suspect excess backstay tension as the
culprit.

I've found my 35-1 likes a bit of sag even in heavy air.  Seems to open the
slot ever so slightly and allow the boat to "breathe".

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Tim:
>
> It's important to know the force being applied, not the pressure.  Force
> is equal to pressure multiplied by the area of the hydraulic cylinder, and
> all cylinders are not the same.  There's a Navtec manual on the photoalbum
> web site.  Find out which hydraulic cylinder you have, and look up the
> cylinder's area in the Navtec manual.  The C&C 35   uses #10 rod, with a
> breaking strength of 10,300 lbs. Recommended preload limit is 25% - 33% of
> breaking strength, or 2600 - 3,400 lbs.  Absolute preload limit is 40% of
> breaking strength or 4,100 lbs.  You can use these numbers to figure out
> the recommended and maximum pressures based on your cylinder size.  You can
> also order a free, force ring label from Navtec to apply to your hydraulic
> gauge.  Remember to specify cylinder size when ordering the Force ring
> label.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> Hi all 35-3 racers (and others with hydraulics), how much do you tension
> your backstay to get an acceptably straight forestay in 20-25kts?  We were
> racing in that last night and our forestay was way looser than I wanted
> with the backstay at 2000psi (2 on the hydraulic panel).  I have never gone
> above this before (1.8 seemed to be plenty for most conditions last year),
> but wondered what others maxed out at.
>
> I think the backstay is -10 rod with associated cylinder and we have a
> navtec panel that manages both backstay and vang.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
> Mojito
> C&C 35-3
> Branford, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Backstay Tension 35/3

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Tim,

I did not see a response from a 35-3 owner so here is how we approach backstay 
pressure on Calypso.  Calypso has Dyform wire fore and back stays rated equal 
to the rod that was replaced.  We have a Harken roller furler.  Typically we 
experience the most forestay sag in 17 to 20 TWS with the heavy #1 up.  By 
downshifting to the #3 we are again able to meet our target forestay sag.  The 
70’s era 43’s have fore/aft bulkheads that run from the foreward bulkhead to 
about 6’ aft the mast to stiffen the hull from bending forces.

A good visual is the backstay adjuster is attempting to force the mast through 
the keel.  As you add tension (represented as pump PSI) there will be a point 
where you risk damage to the rig or hull.  When we purchased Calypso the hull 
had some fractures just forward of the mast step / leading edge of keel.  The 
fractures were discovered when looking for the source of water seepage.

During the repair process the best theory we developed was during the decades 
of hard racing with over use of the backstay adjuster the hull laminate was 
stressed causing the athwart ships fractures.  A few years later we had several 
guys on board who had crewed on the boat when it was raced hard up and down the 
east coast in the 70’s (then known as Arieto).  Both indicated they “cranked 
the s#*t out of the backstay adjuster to gain a straighter forestay.

On Calypso we also use 2,000 psi as a upper limit.  As we approach that limit I 
sight up the mast to be sure it is still in column.  If the mast head is 
sagging off to leeward or there is excessive mast bend the forestay “looks” 
longer to the rig.  I have yet to determine a good way to measure hull 
deflection/bend when at max backstay pressure.  The 2,000 psi upper limit is 
based on the feel of the rig and past experience with other hydraulic systems.  
I do expect the psi gauge is representing only the internal pressure of the 
pump.  If a more scientific calculation of actual force being added to the rig 
was desired I recommend obtaining a copy of Brion Toss’s rigging book, the 
owner’s manual for your hydraulic pump, and a friend good a math.

On several fancier race boats I have sailed we used running back stays to 
straighten the mast reducing the forestay sag.  We would set the backstay 
adjuster close to max then crank up the running back until the mast and or the 
forestay was straight enough.  To be clear, I was not the boat owner nor 
responsible for the repair bills. As the saying goes “nothing performs like a 
loaner”.

If you are confident the mast/rig is correctly set up and in column, all the 
fore and aft stay components are in good shape, and you are not using too large 
of a head sail for the TWS it may be worth adding a little more pressure to the 
adjuster and look for an improvement.  If there is no change to the forestay 
sag I would assume the boat is bending or something else is giving way.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:16 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Backstay Tension 35/3

Hi all 35-3 racers (and others with hydraulics), how much do you tension your 
backstay to get an acceptably straight forestay in 20-25kts?  We were racing in 
that last night and our forestay was way looser than I wanted with the backstay 
at 2000psi (2 on the hydraulic panel).  I have never gone above this before 
(1.8 seemed to be plenty for most conditions last year), but wondered what 
others maxed out at.

I think the backstay is -10 rod with associated cylinder and we have a navtec 
panel that manages both backstay and vang.

Thanks,

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
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Re: Stus-List Backstay Tension

[Alan Bergen via CnC-List]

Tim: 

It's important to know the force being applied, not the pressure. Force is 
equal to pressure multiplied by the area of the hydraulic cylinder, and all 
cylinders are not the same. There's a Navtec manual on the photoalbum web site. 
Find out which hydraulic cylinder you have, and look up the cylinder's area in 
the Navtec manual. The C&C 35 uses #10 rod, with a breaking strength of 10,300 
lbs. Recommended preload limit is 25% - 33% of breaking strength, or 2600 - 
3,400 lbs. Absolute preload limit is 40% of breaking strength or 4,100 lbs. You 
can use these numbers to figure out the recommended and maximum pressures based 
on your cylinder size. You can also order a free, force ring label from Navtec 
to apply to your hydraulic gauge. Remember to specify cylinder size when 
ordering the Force ring label. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

Hi all 35-3 racers (and others with hydraulics), how much do you tension your 
backstay to get an acceptably straight forestay in 20-25kts? We were racing in 
that last night and our forestay was way looser than I wanted with the backstay 
at 2000psi (2 on the hydraulic panel). I have never gone above this before (1.8 
seemed to be plenty for most conditions last year), but wondered what others 
maxed out at. 

I think the backstay is -10 rod with associated cylinder and we have a navtec 
panel that manages both backstay and vang. 

Thanks, 

Tim 
Mojito 
C&C 35-3 
Branford, CT 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I don't even have to see it - if it is 'conventional', it is not original. As 
the originals were all shark fins, this had to be custom. As I mentioned, there 
were a number of people who modified early C&C rudders to get them deeper, 
because when you are heeled over (reaching?) the rudder is pretty far out of 
the water, and loses effectiveness.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron and Sharon via CnC-List 
  To: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:31 PM
  Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design


  Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions.
  The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information.
  I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon.
  I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1.
  I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976  30-1 with a 
fairly conventional rudder.
  Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at   
scam...@shaw.ca 
  I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the 
original Atomic 4.

  Thanks again
  Ron


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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

‎...I'm going with weight reduction!

sam :-)
  Original Message  
From: Leslie Paal via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:05 AM
To: cnc-listCNC boat owners; Robert Abbott
Reply To: Leslie Paal
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet. :-(

Leslie.


On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List  wrote:

Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes
To: "Chuck S" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 

Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM


Chuck:



I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will
take some the
next time I am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely
in a
pattern.  



We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered
the boat
from C&C, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told
me the mast
holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he
wanted.the mast
holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose
Leslie Paal
described in an earlier post: 

"The primary reason is to have a 'fail
safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of
standing rigging. If the mast was going over it would not
open up the cabin as badly. I agree the ventilation is a
great bonus.


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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)

[Rich Knowles via CnC-List]

See section 3.12 of the ISAF rules :

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2014Parts1to619122013-[16036].pdf

Rich

> On Jun 12, 2014, at 19:37, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Andy,
> 
> Yup. 
> 
> I just helped a buddy bring his J120 from Annapolis to NEB for the upcoming 
> Newport-Bermuda race and I’m pretty sure that the mast being bolted to the 
> shoe was not done. Not sure anymore if it is even required. In theory it 
> seems like a good idea but in the real world, probably not so much.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Andy,

Yup. 

I just helped a buddy bring his J120 from Annapolis to NEB for the upcoming 
Newport-Bermuda race and I’m pretty sure that the mast being bolted to the shoe 
was not done. Not sure anymore if it is even required. In theory it seems like 
a good idea but in the real world, probably not so much.

Cheers,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

(meant to send this to the list but apparently hit Reply as opposed to Reply 
All..)

On Jun 12, 2014, at 6:31 PM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> I think the reason we bolt the mast to the step is that some bright spark in 
> the CCA decided that it was a good idea for boats doing the Bermuda race and 
> it caught on. I remember thinking how useless the idea as I prepared a boat 
> for the 1984 race.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Wal,
> 
> I think ventilation is the purpose also. Moot point now that I have a mast 
> wrap though.
> 
> The observation about bolting the mast base to the shoe is pretty much in 
> line with my thinking; the forces at work in a major mast loss are probably 
> going to overwhelm those bolts pretty quickly. I’ve thought about doing it 
> with my mast but frankly it is a back-burner item for the time being. 
> 
> As a former owner (briefly) of a Bruce King designed Islander 37 I can 
> imagine the damage done. The mast is encased by cabinetry and probably did a 
> good bit of damage to that and the head. Those old seventies-era 
> single-spreader masts were pretty stout…
> 
> As far as the upcoming weather is concerned and as someone who has 
> experienced sailing north up the Baja coast I would recommend that you 
> consider heading south for the Canal and the Caribbean. No decent tacos but 
> some great sailing to be had. The Chesapeake Bay is pretty nifty too.  ;-)
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
> 
> On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I vote for ventilation.  I have 14 1/2" holes in the mast, about six inches 
>> from the collar.  When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is truly 
>> amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the mast 
>> and shoots out through those holes.  Often, that's happening when all the 
>> hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome.  I never considered 
>> the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes sense.  I'll 
>> have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where the smoke 
>> goes.  
>> 
>> A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad line 
>> handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a container 
>> ship.  The whole mast was spun in 
>> a big circle, and was devastating to the interior.  I can only guess that 
>> the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the crash.  Frankly, I 
>> don't know if having the mast bolted to the step would have done much good.  
>> When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked the rigger to drill a 
>> hole through everything so we could bolt it down, and he looked at me like I 
>> was an idiot.  (At the time, he'd just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 
>> 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger in town.)   He told my that my 
>> mast step had 2" high 1/2" thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over 
>> that it would be the least of my problems.
>> 
>> Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two 
>> weeks of the season.  I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will 
>> develop.  I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather 
>> window to sail north.  The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season.  
>> Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for 
>> dead calm to motor north.  I don't like motoring for days on end.  It's an 
>> insult to the boat.  And it looks like this weekend there will be three days 
>> of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell.  Cool. Give me 8 
>> on a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at 
>> hull speed, with the boat on it's feet.  I can set the sails, set the 
>> Monitor, and fire up the BBQ.  The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so 
>> sailing the rhumb line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving 
>> forward.
>> 
>> I will miss this place, though.  The fishing boats pull in every morning, 
>> and I can walk over and get fish off the boat.  I have often bought a kilo 
>> of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos.  
>> Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore 
>> and still have leftovers.
>> 
>> Wal
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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I think the reason we bolt the mast to the step is that some bright spark
in the CCA decided that it was a good idea for boats doing the Bermuda race
and it caught on. I remember thinking how useless the idea as I prepared a
boat for the 1984 race.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wal,
>
> I think ventilation is the purpose also. Moot point now that I have a mast
> wrap though.
>
> The observation about bolting the mast base to the shoe is pretty much in
> line with my thinking; the forces at work in a major mast loss are probably
> going to overwhelm those bolts pretty quickly. I’ve thought about doing it
> with my mast but frankly it is a back-burner item for the time being.
>
> As a former owner (briefly) of a Bruce King designed Islander 37 I can
> imagine the damage done. The mast is encased by cabinetry and probably did
> a good bit of damage to that and the head. Those old seventies-era
> single-spreader masts were pretty stout…
>
> As far as the upcoming weather is concerned and as someone who has
> experienced sailing north up the Baja coast I would recommend that you
> consider heading south for the Canal and the Caribbean. No decent tacos but
> some great sailing to be had. The Chesapeake Bay is pretty nifty too.  ;-)
>
> Best,
>  Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I vote for ventilation.  I have 14 1/2" holes in the mast, about six
> inches from the collar.  When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is
> truly amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the
> mast and shoots out through those holes.  Often, that's happening when all
> the hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome.  I never
> considered the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes
> sense.  I'll have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where
> the smoke goes.  
>
> A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad
> line handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a
> container ship.  The whole
> mast was spun in a big circle, and was devastating to the interior.  I can
> only guess that the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the
> crash.  Frankly, I don't know if having the mast bolted to the step would
> have done much good.  When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked
> the rigger to drill a hole through everything so we could bolt it down, and
> he looked at me like I was an idiot.  (At the time, he'd just finished
> rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger
> in town.)   He told my that my mast step had 2" high 1/2" thick walls, and
> if the mast ever jumped over that it would be the least of my problems.
>
> Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two
> weeks of the season.  I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will
> develop.  I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather
> window to sail north.  The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season.
>  Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for
> dead calm to motor north.  I don't like motoring for days on end.  It's an
> insult to the boat.  And it looks like this weekend there will be three
> days of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell.  Cool. Give
> me 8 on a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and
> I'm at hull speed, with the boat on it's feet.  I can set the sails, set
> the Monitor, and fire up the BBQ.  The contour lines are a bit squirelly,
> so sailing the rhumb line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're
> moving forward.
>
> I will miss this place, though.  The fishing boats pull in every morning,
> and I can walk over and get fish off the boat.  I have often bought a kilo
> of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos.
>  Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore
> and still have leftovers.
>
> Wal
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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Wal,

I think ventilation is the purpose also. Moot point now that I have a mast wrap 
though.

The observation about bolting the mast base to the shoe is pretty much in line 
with my thinking; the forces at work in a major mast loss are probably going to 
overwhelm those bolts pretty quickly. I’ve thought about doing it with my mast 
but frankly it is a back-burner item for the time being. 

As a former owner (briefly) of a Bruce King designed Islander 37 I can imagine 
the damage done. The mast is encased by cabinetry and probably did a good bit 
of damage to that and the head. Those old seventies-era single-spreader masts 
were pretty stout…

As far as the upcoming weather is concerned and as someone who has experienced 
sailing north up the Baja coast I would recommend that you consider heading 
south for the Canal and the Caribbean. No decent tacos but some great sailing 
to be had. The Chesapeake Bay is pretty nifty too.  ;-)

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List  
wrote:

> I vote for ventilation.  I have 14 1/2" holes in the mast, about six inches 
> from the collar.  When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it is truly 
> amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots in the mast and 
> shoots out through those holes.  Often, that's happening when all the hatches 
> have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome.  I never considered the 
> reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it makes sense.  I'll have to 
> do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and see where the smoke goes.  
> 
> A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad line 
> handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a container 
> ship.  The whole mast was spun in 
> a big circle, and was devastating to the interior.  I can only guess that the 
> rig was actually lifted off the mast step during the crash.  Frankly, I don't 
> know if having the mast bolted to the step would have done much good.  When I 
> rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, I asked the rigger to drill a hole 
> through everything so we could bolt it down, and he looked at me like I was 
> an idiot.  (At the time, he'd just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 
> 'Ocean Planet', and he was the best rigger in town.)   He told my that my 
> mast step had 2" high 1/2" thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over that 
> it would be the least of my problems.
> 
> Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first two 
> weeks of the season.  I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the summer will 
> develop.  I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the right weather 
> window to sail north.  The SSW winds don't kick in until hurricane season.  
> Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the northerlies, or waited for 
> dead calm to motor north.  I don't like motoring for days on end.  It's an 
> insult to the boat.  And it looks like this weekend there will be three days 
> of 8-15k from the SW, with a 3-4 foot 13 second SW swell.  Cool. Give me 8 on 
> a flat sea (with a clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at hull 
> speed, with the boat on it's feet.  I can set the sails, set the Monitor, and 
> fire up the BBQ.  The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so sailing the rhumb 
> line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving forward.
> 
> I will miss this place, though.  The fishing boats pull in every morning, and 
> I can walk over and get fish off the boat.  I have often bought a kilo of 
> fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, for 150 pesos.  Yes, I 
> have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I can't eat anymore and still 
> have leftovers.
> 
> Wal
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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes (and my usual rambling drivel)

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Sounds fun, Wal. If you're in no hurry, I'd wait for a window, too.

A few years ago, I did the trip around from Florida to LA in August. I was
dreading the Baja Bash, but as we left Acapulco, a hurricane formed off
Nicaragua and we got in a bit of a rush. Jimenez followed us about 600
miles back and killed the breeze so we had a nice flat motor all the way to
San Diego watching whales and enjoying the calm where we expected awfulness.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine




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[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I vote for ventilation.  I have 14 1/2" holes in the mast, about six 
inches from the collar.  When the bow's pointed into a stiff breeze it 
is truly amazing the amount of air that comes in through all the slots 
in the mast and shoots out through those holes.  Often, that's happening 
when all the hatches have to be shut tight, so that air is welcome.  I 
never considered the reverse, of moving air up out of the boat, but it 
makes sense.  I'll have to do an experiment, and set a fart on fire and 
see where the smoke goes.  


A dozen or so years back a keel-stepped Islander 37 was a victim of bad 
line handling in the Panama Canal, and was swept under the transom of a 
container ship.  The whole 
mast was spun in a big circle, and was devastating to the interior.  I 
can only guess that the rig was actually lifted off the mast step during 
the crash.  Frankly, I don't know if having the mast bolted to the step 
would have done much good.  When I rebuilt my rig with a new mast step, 
I asked the rigger to drill a hole through everything so we could bolt 
it down, and he looked at me like I was an idiot.  (At the time, he'd 
just finished rigging Bruce Schwab's Open 60 'Ocean Planet', and he was 
the best rigger in town.)   He told my that my mast step had 2" high 
1/2" thick walls, and if the mast ever jumped over that it would be the 
least of my problems.


Anyway, Eastern Pacific has had two Cat 4 Hurricanes within the first 
two weeks of the season.  I sure hope that isn't a sign of how the 
summer will develop.  I've been waiting here for weeks looking for the 
right weather window to sail north.  The SSW winds don't kick in until 
hurricane season.  Everybody is gone; they've all motored into the 
northerlies, or waited for dead calm to motor north.  I don't like 
motoring for days on end.  It's an insult to the boat.  And it looks 
like this weekend there will be three days of 8-15k from the SW, with a 
3-4 foot 13 second SW swell.  Cool. Give me 8 on a flat sea (with a 
clean hull,) and I'll make 4-5. Give me 15 and I'm at hull speed, with 
the boat on it's feet.  I can set the sails, set the Monitor, and fire 
up the BBQ.  The contour lines are a bit squirelly, so sailing the rhumb 
line won't happen, but who cares as long as you're moving forward.


I will miss this place, though.  The fishing boats pull in every 
morning, and I can walk over and get fish off the boat.  I have often 
bought a kilo of fresh yellowfin tuna, cut off the fish while I watch, 
for 150 pesos.  Yes, I have eaten the freshest sashimi possible until I 
can't eat anymore and still have leftovers.


Wal

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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Curtis via CnC-List]

I took the yanmar 2gm15 out last fall and replaced it with the the newer
2gm15F fresh water cooled. Makes good hull speed.



On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The A4 is a good engine e for that boat.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ron
> and Sharon via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:31 PM
> *To:* Michael Brown via CnC-List
> *Subject:* Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design
>
>
>
> Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions.
>
> The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information.
>
> I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon.
>
> I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1.
>
> I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976  30-1 with a
> fairly conventional rudder.
>
> Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at
> scam...@shaw.ca
>
> I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the
> original Atomic 4.
>
>
>
> Thanks again
>
> Ron
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The A4 is a good engine e for that boat.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and 
Sharon via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:31 PM
To: Michael Brown via CnC-List
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions.
The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information.
I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon.
I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1.
I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976  30-1 with a 
fairly conventional rudder.
Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at   
scam...@shaw.ca
I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the 
original Atomic 4.

Thanks again
Ron
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Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Ron and Sharon via CnC-List]

Thankyou to all the members who replied to my questions.
The cnc-list archives has an amazing amount of information.
I liked Antoine's reply the best and will be following his advice soon.
I am confused about the photo of the rudder on Curtis's 1980 mk1.
I visited a brokers storage lot this week where I saw a 1976  30-1 with a 
fairly conventional rudder.
Maybe it was custom made. If anyone wants to see the photos email me at   
scam...@shaw.ca 
I'm not interested in buying it as it is a pale yellow color and has the 
original Atomic 4.

Thanks again
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37+ Centerboard (I'm told 34+ is similar)

[allen via CnC-List]

All the aft cabin models used the same nomenclature:  30+, 34+, 37+ nice teak 
interior and double spreader rig:  XL models triple spreader rigs with running 
backstays.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima  30-2+
Hampton, VA


From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 11:56 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 37+ Centerboard (I'm told 34+ is similar)


Stu (and any Listers who may be interested), 


You may want this document on the Photo Album site which may be of use to 
others — it’s a diagram of the C&C 37+ (and XL) centerboard. I’m told that the 
34+ and XL centerboard models are very similar. 


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/centerboard.pdf 


Also, a correction on the site:  Under C&C Owners Homepages, could you change 
my link to www.starshipsailing.com? Also, the Enterprise isn’t a 37/40XL, but a 
37+ (or 37/40+)


Lastly, I have some photos of the 37+ interior and “Dock Photos” if you want 
them. What is the best way to get these to you? 


Thanks for all you do. 





All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Same reason I ditched mine. For cruising I am towing a 12 foot RIB anyway, so 
the minor drag reduction is not worth the semi-usable reverse. I got tired of 
running aground gently and still being trapped if I could not get off by going 
forward. If I ever race seriously again I'll get a max-prop or similar.
Also note that if just one blade comes out on a folding prop it can do damage 
including shaking the strut loose. 

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Simon Warren; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

Nope, I dont like the folding prop. I have no rev to speek of. Its dangrous.. 
Im going to change it as soon as I can find the money. I try to always go 
froward.
Great boat !! bad prop.

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Stus-List Backstay Tension 35/3

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Hi all 35-3 racers (and others with hydraulics), how much do you tension
your backstay to get an acceptably straight forestay in 20-25kts?  We were
racing in that last night and our forestay was way looser than I wanted
with the backstay at 2000psi (2 on the hydraulic panel).  I have never gone
above this before (1.8 seemed to be plenty for most conditions last year),
but wondered what others maxed out at.

I think the backstay is -10 rod with associated cylinder and we have a
navtec panel that manages both backstay and vang.

Thanks,

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Nope, I dont like the folding prop. I have no rev to speek of. Its
dangrous.. Im going to change it as soon as I can find the money. I
try to always go froward.
Great boat !! bad prop.

On 6/12/14, Simon Warren via CnC-List  wrote:
> Hi Curtis,
> How do you like that folding prop? How does it perform in fwd/reverse?
> I have the same one in a box in my basement, but I'm reluctant to try it
> since it does not have the gears to ensure that both blades open evenly.
>
> Anyone know if it is worth anything on the used market?
> I currently have a 2 blade composite prop, which is OK, but not much power
> in reverse.
>
> BTW I have C&C30MK1 #657, pretty close to your 675.
>
> Simon
>
> From: "Curtis via CnC-List" 
> To: "Michael Brown" , 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design
> Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:43 PM
>
>
> Here is the bottom of my 1980 C&C30MK1 HIN # 675
>
> http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2&o=0
>


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T. E. Lawrence

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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

That's what you get when you believe things you read on the internet.  :-(

Leslie.


On Thu, 6/12/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes
 To: "Chuck S" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 

 Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 7:29 AM
 
 
 Chuck:
 
   
 
   I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will
 take some the
   next time I am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely
 in a
   pattern.  
 
   
 
   We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered
 the boat
   from C&C, Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told
 me the mast
   holes were part of the 'special order(s)' he
 wanted.the mast
   holes were for ventilation and not for the purpose
 Leslie Paal
   described in an earlier post: 
 
   "The primary reason is to have a 'fail
 safe' point on the keel stepped mast in case the loss of
 standing rigging.  If the mast was going over it would not
 open up the cabin as badly.  I agree the ventilation is a
 great bonus.
 

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Re: Stus-List Stanchion bases

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

There seem to be two types of base that look the same.  I ordered a new
based from South Shore a couple of years ago and it looks identical to all
the others except the stanchion is angled out 10 degrees on the new one...
 Worth checking.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  *Yes they do …. Call Rob ….*
>
>
>
> *http://southshoreyachts.com/contact/
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Nylander via CnC-List
> *Sent:* June 12, 2014 11:28 AM
> *To:* CandC List
> *Subject:* Stus-List Stanchion bases
>
>
>
> I am looking for a couple stanchion bases. They are the kind which have
> two bolt holes that go through the toe rail and a third which goes through
> the deck. I would prefer some used ones as they would match the ones on the
> boat (34 years old) but would take a new one.
>
>
>
> Does South Shore still carry them? And, how do I contact them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1
>
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Re: Stus-List Stanchion bases

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Yes they do  Call Rob 

http://southshoreyachts.com/contact/


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: June 12, 2014 11:28 AM
To: CandC List
Subject: Stus-List Stanchion bases

I am looking for a couple stanchion bases. They are the kind which have two 
bolt holes that go through the toe rail and a third which goes through the 
deck. I would prefer some used ones as they would match the ones on the boat 
(34 years old) but would take a new one.

Does South Shore still carry them? And, how do I contact them.

Thanks,
Gary
30-1
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Re: Stus-List Stanchion bases

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Gary: http://southshoreyachts.com/product-category/cc-parts/stanchion-bases/ 



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I am looking for a couple stanchion bases. They are the kind which have two 
> bolt holes that go through the toe rail and a third which goes through the 
> deck. I would prefer some used ones as they would match the ones on the boat 
> (34 years old) but would take a new one.
>  
> Does South Shore still carry them? And, how do I contact them.
>  
> Thanks,
> Gary
> 30-1
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Stus-List Stanchion bases

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I am looking for a couple stanchion bases. They are the kind which have two 
bolt holes that go through the toe rail and a third which goes through the 
deck. I would prefer some used ones as they would match the ones on the boat 
(34 years old) but would take a new one.

Does South Shore still carry them? And, how do I contact them.

Thanks, 
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Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Simon Warren via CnC-List]

Hi Curtis,
How do you like that folding prop? How does it perform in fwd/reverse?
I have the same one in a box in my basement, but I'm reluctant to try it
since it does not have the gears to ensure that both blades open evenly.

Anyone know if it is worth anything on the used market?
I currently have a 2 blade composite prop, which is OK, but not much power
in reverse.

BTW I have C&C30MK1 #657, pretty close to your 675.

Simon

From: "Curtis via CnC-List" 
To: "Michael Brown" , 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:43 PM


Here is the bottom of my 1980 C&C30MK1 HIN # 675

http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2&o=0
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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

My 32 doesn't have the holes. Hull #59.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've been on a whack of boats and have never seen "fail safe" holes
> drilled in a mast. Offshore racing rules stipulate that the base of a keel
> stepped mast must be secured to the step. The mast foot is then held in
> place to avoid it leaping around the cabin interior in the event of a
> rigging disaster and possibly punching a hole in the bottom. Masts seem to
> bend quite nicely at the spreaders in most of the dismasting pics I've
> seen.
>
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo - LF38
> Halifax NS
>
> On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:29, Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck:
>
> I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time
> I am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely in a pattern.
>
> We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from C&C,
> Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told me the mast holes were part of the
> 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and
> not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post:
>
> "The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast 
> in case the loss of standing rigging.  If the mast was going over it would 
> not open up the cabin as badly.  I agree the ventilation is a great bonus.
>
> Leslie"
>
> I have sailed on a C&C 24, 27, 30, 32, 33, 34R, 35, 36, 37R and 41 and the 
> only C&C of the 10 that had the 'mast holes' is mine, the 32.  Most of the 10 
> C&C models I mentioned have keel stepped masts.  I simply can't believe C&C 
> would put those holes in the mast 'to have a fail safe' point in the case of 
> the loss of standing rigging.  If so, why doesn't all the C&C's with keel 
> step masts have the mast holes?  And they don'tsounds like yours 
> (37R)does not have the mast holes Chuck.  The 37R I raced on did not have 
> them.
>
> I will send the pics ASAP.
>
> I think I have Rob Ball's e-mail address.I might just ask him what the 
> holes were for.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote:
>
>  Hi Rob,
>  Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast?  Are they
> in a pattern?  Why only on one side?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
>  --
> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> 
> *To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> , "David" 
> 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM
> *Subject: *Stus-List Mast Holes
>
>  The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to aid in ventilation.
> There are about a dozen 1/4" holes on our mast, port side just below the
> mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the
> holes and up the mast.  I would see no logical reason to cover these holes
> under normal circumstances.
>
> And I don't think C&C would have put them there if they thought it would
> impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner.
>
> Tell your friend it is not a concern.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>>  --
>> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> *To: *"David Knecht" , "CNC boat owners,
>> cnc-list" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>>
>>  Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation
>> below.  The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days.  The holes
>> suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head.  Air gets in to the cabin
>> through the main cabin hatch and engine vents.  Never had a problem with
>> musty air below decks
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John and Maryann
>>
>> Legacy III
>>
>> 1982 C&C 34
>>
>> Noank, CT
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
>> Knecht via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
>> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>>
>>
>>
>> I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can someone
>> clarify what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> Aries
>>
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>>
>> New London, CT
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From: *"jwstah...@comcast.net" 
>>
>> *Subject: C&C question*
>>
>> *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT
>>
>> *To: *"F5, David" 
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4"
>> holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin,
>> port side only.  The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the
>> strength of the section.  After seeing three, however, I believe there must
>> be a good reason for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the
>> section?  Is there another reason?  Is it something I should be concerned
>> about?
>>
>> Thank

Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Rich Knowles via CnC-List]

I've been on a whack of boats and have never seen "fail safe" holes drilled in 
a mast. Offshore racing rules stipulate that the base of a keel stepped mast 
must be secured to the step. The mast foot is then held in place to avoid it 
leaping around the cabin interior in the event of a rigging disaster and 
possibly punching a hole in the bottom. Masts seem to bend quite nicely at the 
spreaders in most of the dismasting pics I've seen. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo - LF38
Halifax NS 

> On Jun 12, 2014, at 11:29, Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Chuck:
> 
> I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next time I 
> am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely in a pattern.  
> 
> We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from C&C, 
> Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told me the mast holes were part of the 
> 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation and not 
> for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post: 
> "The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast 
> in case the loss of standing rigging.  If the mast was going over it would 
> not open up the cabin as badly.  I agree the ventilation is a great bonus.
> 
> Leslie"
> 
> 
> I have sailed on a C&C 24, 27, 30, 32, 33, 34R, 35, 36, 37R and 41 and the 
> only C&C of the 10 that had the 'mast holes' is mine, the 32.  Most of the 10 
> C&C models I mentioned have keel stepped masts.  I simply can't believe C&C 
> would put those holes in the mast 'to have a fail safe' point in the case of 
> the loss of standing rigging.  If so, why doesn't all the C&C's with keel 
> step masts have the mast holes?  And they don'tsounds like yours 
> (37R)does not have the mast holes Chuck.  The 37R I raced on did not have 
> them.
> 
> I will send the pics ASAP.
> 
> I think I have Rob Ball's e-mail address.I might just ask him what the 
> holes were for.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>> Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast?  Are they in a 
>> pattern?  Why only on one side?  
>> 
>> Thanks,  
>> 
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>> 
>> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" , "David" 
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM
>> Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes
>> 
>> The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to aid in ventilation.  There 
>> are about a dozen 1/4" holes on our mast, port side just below the mast 
>> collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and 
>> up the mast.  I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under 
>> normal circumstances.
>> 
>> And I don't think C&C would have put them there if they thought it would 
>> impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner.
>> 
>> Tell your friend it is not a concern.
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32 - 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>>> To: "David Knecht" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>>> 
>>> Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation 
>>> below.  The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days.  The holes 
>>> suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head.  Air gets in to the cabin 
>>> through the main cabin hatch and engine vents.  
>>>   Never had a problem with musty air   
>>> below decks
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John and Maryann
>>> 
>>> Legacy III
>>> 
>>> 1982 C&C 34
>>> 
>>> Noank, CT
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Knecht via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
>>> To: CnC CnC discussion list
>>> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can someone 
>>> clarify what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Aries
>>> 
>>> 1990 C&C 34+
>>> 
>>> New London, CT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "jwstah...@comcast.net" 
>>> 
>>> Subject: C&C question
>>> 
>>> Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT
>>> 
>>> To: "F5, David" 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> 
>>> I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4" 
>>> holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, 
>>> port side only.  The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the 
>>> strength of the section.  After seeing three, however, I believe there must 
>>> be a good reason for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the 
>>> section?  Is there another reason?  Is it something I should be concerned 
>>> about?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John
>>

Stus-List Mast Holes

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Chuck:

I don't have any pics of the mast holes but I will take some the next 
time I am on the boat.  Yes they are definitely in a pattern.


We bought our 32 from the original owner that ordered the boat from C&C, 
Niagara on the Lakes, in 1984.  He told me the mast holes were part of 
the 'special order(s)' he wanted.the mast holes were for ventilation 
and not for the purpose Leslie Paal described in an earlier post:


"The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in 
case the loss of standing rigging.  If the mast was going over it would not open up 
the cabin as badly.  I agree the ventilation is a great bonus.

Leslie"


I have sailed on a C&C 24, 27, 30, 32, 33, 34R, 35, 36, 37R and 41 and the only C&C of the 
10 that had the 'mast holes' is mine, the 32.  Most of the 10 C&C models I mentioned have keel 
stepped masts.  I simply can't believe C&C would put those holes in the mast 'to have a fail 
safe' point in the case of the loss of standing rigging.  If so, why doesn't all the C&C's with 
keel step masts have the mast holes?  And they don'tsounds like yours (37R)does not have the 
mast holes Chuck.  The 37R I raced on did not have them.

I will send the pics ASAP.

I think I have Rob Ball's e-mail address.I might just ask him what the 
holes were for.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

  






On 2014/06/12 8:55 AM, Chuck S wrote:

Hi Rob,
Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast?  Are 
they in a pattern?  Why only on one side?


Thanks,

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


*From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
*To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" , "David" 


*Sent: *Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM
*Subject: *Stus-List Mast Holes

The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to aid in ventilation.  
There are about a dozen 1/4" holes on our mast, port side just below 
the mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked 
into the holes and up the mast.  I would see no logical reason to 
cover these holes under normal circumstances.


And I don't think C&C would have put them there if they thought it 
would impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner.


Tell your friend it is not a concern.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




*From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*To: *"David Knecht" mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good
ventilation below.  The mast acts like a chimney especially on
not days.  The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the
mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin
hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air
below decks

Cheers

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
] *On Behalf Of *David
Knecht via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
*To:* CnC CnC discussion list
*Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can
someone clarify what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave

Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT


Begin forwarded message:




*From: *"jwstah...@comcast.net "
mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net>>

*Subject: C&C question*

*Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT

*To: *"F5, David" mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>

Hi Dave,

I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or
8) of 1/4" holes drilled in the mast section just below the
mast boot in the cabin, port side only.  The first time I saw
this, I was concerned about the strength of the section. After
seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason
for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the
section?  Is there another reason?  Is it something I should
be concerned about?

Thanks,

John




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Stus-List Annapolis to Bermuda Race nearing finish

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Looks like Steve Sharkey's Impromptu may finish first in PHRF-3 class.
He's about 70 miles out and leads the next boats by about 12 miles.  Hard
to tell but he looks pretty good for corrected time also.

http://www.bermudaoceanrace.com/race-overview/2014tracker

Joel needs some breeze to catch up.

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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Andy Weaver via CnC-List]

I have a 1977 Mk 1,  #467, same swept back rudder.

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- Reply message -
From: "Curtis via CnC-List" 
To: "Michael Brown" , 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 9:43 PM
Here is the bottom of my 1980 C&C30MK1 HIN # 675
http://s148.photobucket.com/user/LTGoshen/media/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/EastCoastLady3-9-12001_zps6e2a9d0f.jpg.html?sort=2&o=0




On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Interesting that you mention the ~ 1976 redesign of the rudder. I have looked
at various rudders from I think a 1972, 1976 and 1980, as well as pictures of

the rudders on C&C 30 for sale. They have looked basically the same, the
swept back scimitar shape.

What does the high aspect ratio rudder look like? Does anyone have a picture of
one? The redesign was mentioned in a few articles including from the cnc 
archive.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:17 -0700

From: "Ron and Sharon" 

To: 

Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

Message-ID: <26A18C5D391F41D48D524CF2A77D073A@Olson>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



Good morning,

This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons.

I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75).

There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.

They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines.

My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped)..

Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?

How is it for steering when backing into a marina?

I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 
mk1 for sale in my area yet.

Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?

I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.



Thanks for any replies.



Ron

Nanaimo, BC, Canada


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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Rob, 
Can you send a picture of the ventilation holes on your mast? Are they in a 
pattern? Why only on one side? 

Thanks, 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" , "David" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:01:09 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes 

The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to aid in ventilation. There are 
about a dozen 1/4" holes on our mast, port side just below the mast 
collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the holes and up 
the mast. I would see no logical reason to cover these holes under normal 
circumstances. 

And I don't think C&C would have put them there if they thought it would impair 
the structural integrity of the mast in any manner. 

Tell your friend it is not a concern. 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 










From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
To: "David Knecht" < davidakne...@gmail.com >, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question 



Yup – sure can. They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below. The 
mast acts like a chimney especially on not days. The holes suck out cabin air 
and it exits at the mast head. Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin 
hatch and engine vents. Never had a problem with musty air below decks 



Cheers 






John and Maryann 

Legacy III 

1982 C&C 34 

Noank, CT 





From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of David 
Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM 
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question 




I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat. Can someone clarify 
what the holes are for? Thanks- Dave 





Aries 


1990 C&C 34+ 


New London, CT 








Begin forwarded message: 







From: " jwstah...@comcast.net " < jwstah...@comcast.net > 


Subject: C&C question 


Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT 


To: "F5, David" < davidakne...@gmail.com > 





Hi Dave, 


I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4" holes 
drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side 
only. The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the 
section. After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for 
the holes. Is it a way to control humidity within the section? Is there another 
reason? Is it something I should be concerned about? 


Thanks, 


John 











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