Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Okay, well everything is set. $9.75/ft for haul and wash. I'm all set for Saturday morning. All signs seem to be good. If she passes muster it will be money well spent and the bottom will be ready for a delivery. Anyway, wish me luck and I'll keep you all posted. It was great to read all the comments and insights about this process. I never even considered not doing a survey and always new there would be a haul/launch fee. I never considered the powerwashing, for which they are charging $5/ft I guess simply because I thought we all kept our bottoms wiped clean and felt is was maintenance issue! Danny -- Original Message -- From: Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:18:07 -0400 Donrsquo;t lose sight of the fact that you are going to need to provide a survey to your insurance company after you purchase the boat. In some cases, if it is an older boat for example, you could get by with an in water condition and value (CV) survey costing under $500. Essentially that is like a home appraisal. But if the boat is newer and of higher value you are quite likely to need an out of water survey for the insurance. That is much more analogous to a home inspection and spells out what corrections are needed. If you are buying the boat and getting the survey done, make sure you pay for the survey and sea trial so you have a current survey for insurance purposes. A ldquo;recentrdquo; survey paid for by the seller may not be sufficient. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:24 AM To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open
Re: Stus-List Star PHRF
Edd, that's the policy of YRALIS. Most other places seem to have spinn and non-spinn ratings. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 26, 2015, at 14:21, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The problem with the STAR is that it has a PHRF rating based on it’s full-sailing capability which works against other boats racing with spinnaker (their full-sailing capability), even though it does not have a spinnaker. There is no good way to rate a STAR when competing against non-spinnaker boats. For example, the Enterprise rates 96 in a spinnaker division and rates 96 in a non-spinnaker division. That does not mean I can be competitive not raising my chute in a spinnaker division. The rating assumes everyone is on equal ground. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet. I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it. It is the second Star for both of us. Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I heard comments from the race committee (who didn’t know what a Star was) like, “what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early years, so he is no shrinking violet. But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So, theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing with light summer evening winds . . . Bill Coleman CC 39 (1/2 Star) Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!  What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213. Gary St. Michaels MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
My CnC 36 has prop shaft offset to port and therefore under power boat will steer to port unless rudder counteracts with starboard angle. When motoring my wheel is proabably two inches off dead center to starboard to steer straight course. The more rpms = more thrust = more port turn = more counteracting force required. Having said that, no issue with autohelm 4000+ handling this. Bill Walker Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT  ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Hi Bill- I am not sure about the offset. I did not realize that it was a possibility. I will have to check this winter when on the hard. I have a vague recollection of it not being straight relative to the axis of the boat and that might be why. If so, I guess that would explain the pull. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Is your prop shaft offset so it can be removed past the rudder? Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:44 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Few places I know in RI include power washing in the haul out fee. You don't really get a breakdown of cost. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question In North Carolina, and when I was in the Philadelphia area before moving here, the haul out includes haul, pressure wash, block, store for up to 2 weeks, and relaunch. So the pressure wash is included in the cost of the haul out. Which runs $8 per foot locally. JUST THIS June I had a short haul on my 38. Had intended to do the bottom so had planned for a 2 week haul out. But after the pressure washing (for which the boat remains in the slings) the bottom was still in good shape (after 3 years and a couple of months, using Petit Ultima SR) so I changed the zincs, did some other maintenance, cleaned the waterline stains, and the yard relaunched and only charged me for a short haul at $4 per foot. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Stus-List Survey Question Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Mine is balanced under power. No pull either way. If you do you may have other issues. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:43:42 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CTpastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out.I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CTpastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Star PHRF
The problem with the STAR is that it has a PHRF rating based on it’s full-sailing capability which works against other boats racing with spinnaker (their full-sailing capability), even though it does not have a spinnaker. There is no good way to rate a STAR when competing against non-spinnaker boats. For example, the Enterprise rates 96 in a spinnaker division and rates 96 in a non-spinnaker division. That does not mean I can be competitive not raising my chute in a spinnaker division. The rating assumes everyone is on equal ground. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet. I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it. It is the second Star for both of us. Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I heard comments from the race committee (who didn’t know what a Star was) like, “what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early years, so he is no shrinking violet. But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So, theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing with light summer evening winds . . . Bill Coleman CC 39 (1/2 Star) Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!  What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213. Gary St. Michaels MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Island Heights, NJ area Surveyor
Danny,I might know the boat, sail and work right in toms river.Whats the boat? Is it over in Dillons Creek ?JimGalaxy 34' CC Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:56:45 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Island Heights, NJ area Surveyor From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: bushma...@aol.com OK, so what is it? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Guys, So, I just put an offer on a boat in Island Heights, NJ. I was hoping some of you might have contacts for a good surveyor in the area. No, it is not a CC unfortunately but, a very good pedigree. Keep you fingers crossed for me! Danny Rehoboth, Masachusetts ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Pretty sure that the 30, 34, and 37 series boats are all centerline. Past discussions indicated that the angle at which the shaft leaves the hull (angle down) influences the pull. The swirling column of water. On Aug 26, 2015 2:19 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Bill- I am not sure about the offset. I did not realize that it was a possibility. I will have to check this winter when on the hard. I have a vague recollection of it not being straight relative to the axis of the boat and that might be why. If so, I guess that would explain the pull. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Is your prop shaft offset so it can be removed past the rudder? Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:44 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Cc:* David Knecht *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spreader lights
I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light. The bow light for motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader lights. I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not motoring or powered up in a moorage. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be a better choice? Thanks Brad 1985 CC 33 MKII Pulse Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
David, I have a pull to port under power on my 35-3 (the same with new engine and newly aligned shaft as before) with no pull under sail / coasting. The shaft is on center line as I presume is yours. I've never had the issues you've described with my Raymarine wheel pilot SPX-5 under power. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:43 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213. Gary St. Michaels MD - Original Message - From: Michael Brown via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! Hi Joel and Mike. I won't disagree with any of your points, though I was commenting on what I think is a different topic. Aside from planning, surfing or momentarily being overpowered in a gust some boats get to a much higher percentage of hull speed in moderate winds. I think everyone understands hull speed, and that it can be a soft limit, but to me a second factor is also in play. The ease at which a boat can exceed hull speed. I think most of it is from below the waterline drag, which also compounds with the loss of apparent wind. The widest difference I see is when I am racing smaller boats that are from dry sail. A common feature is a very slippery clean and polished hull, no thru-hulls, and no prop or shaft in the water. I have depth + knotmeter, and five water thru-hulls. Also, the 30-1 prop shaft and cutlass are not on the center line, and in fact are angled both down and to port. So I muse over the observation that in calmer water with a moderate breeze that the smaller day sailors are easily getting to or exceeding hull speed, maybe because they have so little drag. In my case getting to 5.4 kts is hard, again a guess but I think drag has got to be the factor. PHRF factors in displacement / water line and sail area to displacement, neither of which is my ease factor. I see it on my Tuesday night spinnaker race, where my fleet consists of J/22, J/24, J/80, I guess a J/70 now, Kirby 30 and a Star. Even without a spinnaker in a spinnaker fleet, and a 15' waterline, the Star easily takes everyone level. By PHRF it is also the slowest boat. It just has a great ease factor. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to be factored in that covers the ease at which a boat can exceed hull speed. Yes, it should!!! Planing boats get a huge break when the wind blows! Joel Message: 11 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:55:03 + From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List hull speed, planing, PHRF, etc ... Message-ID: 169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0e1...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Michael Typically sport boats have their planning capabilities accounted for in their PHRF numbers. This is one reason why limiting a course to strictly W/L is not always desirable as it takes away a major component of some boats speed by removing any reaching legs? that is a discussion for another time though. A Viking 22 is not a sport boat but is light and will probably surf quite well in a wind. By contrast they would be pounded mercilessly going to wind in those same conditions. Our first ever race on our former J27 was a 52 mile port to port distance race with winds well over 20 knots TWS coming over port quarter (likely much more). We were regularly exceeding 12 knots over the water on the ST60 Speed instrument as we surfed down waves. We would then drop off to 7 knots as we stopped surfing each time. We hit a high of 13.9 knots that day. (which we never ever saw again while racing in 7 years). During the same race the boat ahead of us was a Peterson 37. They never came close to 13 knots but they also never dropped below 9. The boat immediately behind was a CC 34 ? same thing as the Peterson. I suspect your 30 would also not slow down as much after the surf finishes as the lighter 22 but would have a pretty nice average boat speed during the day. I should note that after we dropped the spin and went with just a main for a while we continued to exceed 12 and drop down to 7s. We averaged 8 knots over our course that race. It was a wild and wet day. At the bar after the finish a friend in a Tanzer 22 was there less than an hour after we finished and he flew only white sails. Usually he is several hours behind.The only other time we hit high speeds on speedo was just after we abandoned a race due to excessive waves and wind and were reaching back to port under reefed main and 100% headsail. While I was attending to cooler duties we surfed down a wave and briefly hit 15.0 knots. Despite that it took our usual time to get
Stus-List Autopilot steering
Hi David, There is some pull when motoring on mine but I wouldn't call it significant.. My old autopilot never had issues when motoring, it would sometimes run out of juice when sailing in stronger winds.. But being on the lake, I never really motored for more than about 1 hour. I believe Chuck Scheafer has motored / used the same autopilot pretty extensively with no issues that I recall on his 34R. I'm told that just like going in reverse, you get some prop walk going forward as well. But that should not be enough to overheat your AP.. I forget what kind of prop you are using. Is it known for prop walk? There could possibly be some lube / binding issues on your steering system, perhaps the wheel brake is dragging? Might even be somekind of alignment issue on your driveshaft? If that was during sailing I would commented about re-checking mast rake as it can add significant weather helm in strong winds.. I would start by looking at the steering action. Chuck, you have any suggestions? Regards Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, GA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Spreader lights
This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be a better choice? Thanks Brad 1985 CC 33 MKII Pulse Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
In North Carolina, and when I was in the Philadelphia area before moving here, the haul out includes haul, pressure wash, block, store for up to 2 weeks, and relaunch. So the pressure wash is included in the cost of the haul out. Which runs $8 per foot locally. JUST THIS June I had a short haul on my 38. Had intended to do the bottom so had planned for a 2 week haul out. But after the pressure washing (for which the boat remains in the slings) the bottom was still in good shape (after 3 years and a couple of months, using Petit Ultima SR) so I changed the zincs, did some other maintenance, cleaned the waterline stains, and the yard relaunched and only charged me for a short haul at $4 per foot. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 9:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Stus-List Survey Question Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Autopilot steering
I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Don’t lose sight of the fact that you are going to need to provide a survey to your insurance company after you purchase the boat. In some cases, if it is an older boat for example, you could get by with an in water condition and value (CV) survey costing under $500. Essentially that is like a home appraisal. But if the boat is newer and of higher value you are quite likely to need an out of water survey for the insurance. That is much more analogous to a home inspection and spells out what corrections are needed. If you are buying the boat and getting the survey done, make sure you pay for the survey and sea trial so you have a current survey for insurance purposes. A “recent” survey paid for by the seller may not be sufficient. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:24 AM To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net mailto:kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com , cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com mailto:djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. _ From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
David, I would talk to Raymarine. Usually, a problem like that could be that the unit is not strong enough for the size of the boat, but the ST4000+ should be able to drive the 34+, even under power. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:04 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement
It looks great for inland waters. However for out in the ocean I feel that you still need flares for the altitude that they provide. You cant get the light 500 feet in the air. or shoot it at the bridge of an approaching freighter. That being said I can still see it usefulness. Doug Mountjoy svPegasus LF38 hull #4 just west of Ballard WA On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I saw the same posting and was kinda excited until I saw that it takes 3 C batteries. How many of us have had an expensive electronic device ruined by a leaking battery? I'm not eager to have an emergency device, in a saltwater environment, which requires alkaline batteries. I guess I'm just being overly sceptical considering that our smoke detectors use batteries. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:08 AM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 115, Issue 112
Don't hurt yourself laughing, PHRF-LO has the Star at 193. That is with a -12 for no motor. The skipper, a good friend, suggested something in the 160 range also. Out of curiosity, when you say: And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. is it your observation that they seem to get up to a higher speed? Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:35:06 -0400 From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! Message-ID: 02B5111ECEA84DF6AA1CB2C248F96462@GaryPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213. Gary St. Michaels MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
I have the same pull to one side. I can't remember which side. This has resulted in lots of discussion on the list regarding the differences between prop-wash, prop-walk, and (one other, prop-torque? Torque-steer?) As long as the helm is balanced during sailing I think you're good. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 1:44 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out.I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CTpastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Hi My 37+ pulls hard to port under full throttle, prop effect I am sure. I am running a 3 blade prop. You might be able to minimize the effect with a prop change. Good luck. Rick On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:43 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question - owner financing
Hard to sell older boats due to minimal financing options. Two members of my club were each trying to sell their older trawlers. One was willing to do owner financing. His sold quickly. The other may still be on the market. He took 30% down and required insurance with him as first payee. Insurance provider sends him proof of coverage annually as well as notice of any changes including cancellation. If buyer cancels, loan is called or boat is retuned to seller. Seller is happy so far. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I just went through this survey process. We agreed (my broker, the buyer's broker the potential buyer) that he would pay for the haul out and launch and I would pay for the pressure wash if one was required. The survey was perfect, the bottom was clean (this I already knew) and the potential buyer made a very good offer at 95% of our asking price. However, he wanted me to finance 80% of the purchase price. I told him via my broker that he was SOL as I am not a banker and if he could not raise the cash he needed to move on. So now we wait on the next one. Jack Fitzgerald HONEY US12788 CC 39 TM On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Cc: Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; Subject: Stus-List Survey Question Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To
Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
156 seems a bit more correct From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213. Gary St. Michaels MD - Original Message - From: Michael Brown via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brownmailto:m...@tkg.ca Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! Hi Joel and Mike. I won't disagree with any of your points, though I was commenting on what I think is a different topic. Aside from planning, surfing or momentarily being overpowered in a gust some boats get to a much higher percentage of hull speed in moderate winds. I think everyone understands hull speed, and that it can be a soft limit, but to me a second factor is also in play. The ease at which a boat can exceed hull speed. I think most of it is from below the waterline drag, which also compounds with the loss of apparent wind. The widest difference I see is when I am racing smaller boats that are from dry sail. A common feature is a very slippery clean and polished hull, no thru-hulls, and no prop or shaft in the water. I have depth + knotmeter, and five water thru-hulls. Also, the 30-1 prop shaft and cutlass are not on the center line, and in fact are angled both down and to port. So I muse over the observation that in calmer water with a moderate breeze that the smaller day sailors are easily getting to or exceeding hull speed, maybe because they have so little drag. In my case getting to 5.4 kts is hard, again a guess but I think drag has got to be the factor. PHRF factors in displacement / water line and sail area to displacement, neither of which is my ease factor. I see it on my Tuesday night spinnaker race, where my fleet consists of J/22, J/24, J/80, I guess a J/70 now, Kirby 30 and a Star. Even without a spinnaker in a spinnaker fleet, and a 15' waterline, the Star easily takes everyone level. By PHRF it is also the slowest boat. It just has a great ease factor. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to be factored in that covers the ease at which a boat can exceed hull speed. Yes, it should!!! Planing boats get a huge break when the wind blows! Joel Message: 11 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:55:03 + From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.commailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List hull speed, planing, PHRF, etc ... Message-ID: 169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0e1...@hfxexc11.impgroup.commailto:169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0e1...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Michael Typically sport boats have their planning capabilities accounted for in their PHRF numbers. This is one reason why limiting a course to strictly W/L is not always desirable as it takes away a major component of some boats speed by removing any reaching legs? that is a discussion for another time though. A Viking 22 is not a sport boat but is light and will probably surf quite well in a wind. By contrast they would be pounded mercilessly going to wind in those same conditions. Our first ever race on our former J27 was a 52 mile port to port distance race with winds well over 20 knots TWS coming over port quarter (likely much more). We were regularly exceeding 12 knots over the water on the ST60 Speed instrument as we surfed down waves. We would then drop off to 7 knots as we stopped surfing each time. We hit a high of 13.9 knots that day. (which we never ever saw again while racing in 7 years). During the same race the boat ahead of us was a Peterson 37. They never came close to 13 knots but they also never dropped below 9. The boat immediately behind was a CC 34 ? same thing as the Peterson. I suspect your 30 would also not slow down as much after the surf finishes as the lighter 22 but would have a pretty nice average boat speed during the day. I should note that after we dropped the spin and went with just a main for a while we continued to exceed 12 and drop down to 7s. We averaged 8 knots over our course that race. It was a wild and wet day. At the bar after the finish a friend in a Tanzer 22 was there less than an hour after we finished and he flew only white sails. Usually he is several hours behind.
Stus-List Star PHRF
Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet. I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it. It is the second Star for both of us. Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I heard comments from the race committee (who didnt know what a Star was) like, what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early years, so he is no shrinking violet. But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So, theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing with light summer evening winds . . . Bill Coleman CC 39 (1/2 Star) Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Gary Nylander Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!  What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213. Gary St. Michaels MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out.I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
Is your prop shaft offset so it can be removed past the rudder? Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:44 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List ...Now lighting configurations...
Yes, I installed it in 2001, and have never used it. Wal Rich wrote: Anyone got a strobe at the masthead? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Cc: Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; Subject: Stus-List Survey Question Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List i50/i60 question for Fred
Thanks Fred I will try that. Seems to me the package did not come with any detailed manuals. Just installation guides. Will look online. For calibration I just set the subtract or add factor as I always used to on the ST60. Nice to know there are other methods. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frederick G Street Subject: Re: Stus-List i50/i60 question for Fred Mike - have you run the Intermediate Calibration routine detailed on page 34 of the manual? This allows you to do two speed runs, and set up a calibration factor that is applied to the calculated speed. If you're showing a little fast at four knots, and faster at six knots, this may help get things down where they belong. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have new i50 speed and depth and i60 wind installed Mid July 2014. Boat is a Frers designed Carrol Marine built Frers 33. Phrf here is 114. Typically in the Fall the ST60 speedo we had on our last boat would be reading slow and I would have to calibrate faster. At Spring launch would be reading fast and I would calibrate slower. This was always because of growth and slime. This Spring the i50 speed read optimistically high. I left it that way for a while since it feels pretty good to see higher numbers even if you know they are not correct. Eventually I calibrated ½ knot slower based on comparisons with Chartplotter GPS speed in neutral tide situations. Since that time I have noted that once again it is reading higher than GPS and now the boat is in fresher water (Bras d'Ors Lakes) by about 3/10 to 4/10 of a knot. I notice that it is further off at speeds 6 knots and above and somewhat close to GPS at 4 knots. This is not usually too much of a problem since the speedo is for relative speed anyway but surprises me that it is close at 4 knots but off by a larger amount over 6. The bigger issue is that the TWS on the wind instrument would also be affected as would my perception of currents Any comments on this? Are there varying methods of calibrations? It does seem nice to be making 6.7 knots to windward but a quick look on my chartplotter brings me back to reality ... typically we are 6.2 or so when the boat is going well upwind. Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Currently sitting in Dundee on the Bras d'Ors Lakes ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+
Folks I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 CC 34+ Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand. When i look below deck I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so not sure how an arm could be attached? The steering quadrants on these vintage CC's are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection plate. Again, no easy solution here. Any thoughts as to how a ram arm could be mounted to either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft? Thanks for any all comments. Steve Thorne Deja VU CC34+ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Danny How about a different perspective on survey costs? Say I was like many people who had my boat listed but had no expectation of it selling for a year or more. My plan would be to enjoy the boat as though it were not listed and if it were to sell then so be it. OK - so that sets the stage. Now perhaps you have some semi serious buyers who want to come look at the boat, go for a sail and take up a bunch of your time or simply tie up your boat but may or may not purchase it. Perhaps you had plans for the weekend which are now altered? If you had this happen several times in a season who should pay for those costs? Absolutely the buyer should pay for the haulout, survey and any associated fees. This ensures the buyer is serious and not a tire kicker. Even with that there have been cases when potential buyers sign a contract on a boat, get it surveyed and then decide against the boat for no reason other than that they changed their mind. Of course they used something extremely minor in the survey to support this. Last year we considered a Frers 30. It was in Maine and had issues that were pretty obvious. We took a bit too long to decide so that we put in our offer the day after it had been put on contract to a different buyer. There was a second one in New Brunswick. Less pretty but in very good overall condition. My broker contacted the selling broker and it was also now under contract. The selling broker said the potential buyer was coming that weekend and he would contact us if anything changed. Two days later we found out that a Frers 33 Persistence was for sale (it was listed but not yet on web) and we had a contract within one hour. We paid for the haulout. It was $487 USD with no pressure wash. The boat had just launched earlier that month so bottom was clean. Here a pressure wash is $80 CDN and I would have paid that if required so that we could actually see the bottom. The survey was ab additional $700 USD. This was $1200 well spent and all it did was confirm what I already knew - that the boat was in excellent condition. I did not even bother travelling to view the boat - Harry Halgring did that for me as he is in the area. He confirmed it showed well in person. Long story. Anyway, the week after we had accepted offer on our Frers 33 the broker in NB called me back and said the potential buyers of the 30 in NB backed out. They cited faded gelcoat or something similar. Something that is obvious to us all and has nothing to do with a survey. I was informed by my broker that this happens all the time. Perhaps is cold feet. Anyway - that would be a tremendous inconvenience to the OWNER of the boat! Mike Long Winded in Halifax Persistence 1987 Ferrs 33 Hull 16 Halifax (Currently in Bras d'Ors Lakes) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:21 AM To: kurt_heck...@att.net Cc: Danny Haughey; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny
Stus-List SOS light flare replacement
Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
I would agree with this school of thought - for very light air +/-3 knots. I frequently furl my 135 down to 100 otherwise I find that the slightest puff pushes the bow down when trying to inch my way upwind. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 25, 2015, at 22:33, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Actually, there is a school of thought that a 110% would work better in very light air (then a 155% or even a 135%). This is attributed to the fact that in order to generate lift, the airflow over the sail has to be laminar and if the sail is too long, the wind may not have enough energy to stay attached to the sail for such a long distance. There was recently a long discussion on that topic at Sailboat Owners (Don Gillette’s forum). Even some prizes were awarded. Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie via CnC-List Sent: August-25-15 20:00 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Pennie Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! Oh come on, if you don't exaggerate a bit you're just not a sailor. On the 110%, I've gone with a 120 for years when cruising. It's just easier on everyone with little loss of speed vs. the 135 in lighter air. Whatever we loose in speed we make up for in quick tacking. We're in NY harbor (Battery) so short tacks and chop are the norm as is wind in the 15 range. Even racing we're not shy about using the 120 in the cruising or double handed divisions. Smaller and well trimmed trumps bigger and sloppy. Yes, people here have strong opinions and are a pita at times - until you need those strong opinions from a knowledgeable group. Good luck John Sent from my iPad On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: A few things : My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I take it out every winter!; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS) The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a beam reach. I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her faster. There are a lot of faster CC's on the water which is why the 26's aren't raced. And yes the 27 is faster! Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future! sam :-) From: dwight veinot via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned as you say, then good for him Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Dwight, Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as regular... On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned. Cheers, Russ Sweet mk-1 At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote: what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a CC 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; that is really fast for a CC 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before everyone runs out to get a CC 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of CC 26's around here...I don't remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my CC 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points of sail Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on optimizing my sail plan. Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!  Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d play around with the saill plan. Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional whitecap it’s around 10kn)  I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
I just went through this survey process. We agreed (my broker, the buyer's broker the potential buyer) that he would pay for the haul out and launch and I would pay for the pressure wash if one was required. The survey was perfect, the bottom was clean (this I already knew) and the potential buyer made a very good offer at 95% of our asking price. However, he wanted me to finance 80% of the purchase price. I told him via my broker that he was SOL as I am not a banker and if he could not raise the cash he needed to move on. So now we wait on the next one. Jack Fitzgerald HONEY US12788 CC 39 TM On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. -- * From: * Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * To: * cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * Cc: * Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; * Subject: * Stus-List Survey Question * Sent: * Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. -- * From: * Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * To: * cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * Cc: * Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; * Subject: * Stus-List Survey Question * Sent: * Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___
Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement
Not till I sawr that this morning as well, and I couldn't buy one of them fast enough. So happy to not have to worry about those darn flares anymore. Now I will have to worry about having extra C Batteries on the boat, tho . . . Bill Coleman CC 39, Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PME via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:08 AM To: CnClist Cc: PME Subject: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+
This came up a few weeks ago. There are some pictures in the thread. I'll relink my pictures below. The PO did mine. He dropped the rudder and cut a 6 section out of the tube. He then reinforced the tube sections. The nice thing about this setup is that it keeps the port locker unobstructed since he put the unit under the stbd propane locker. It also keeps the entire unit out of the weather. https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yZU1hczd0QlNEOWc/edit Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:33 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Folks I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 CC 34+ Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand. When i look below deck I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so not sure how an arm could be attached? The steering quadrants on these vintage CC's are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection plate. Again, no easy solution here. Any thoughts as to how a ram arm could be mounted to either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft? Thanks for any all comments. Steve Thorne Deja VU CC34+ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Maybe it's common but if the owner really wants to sell the boat and you are serious about buying the boat then maybe try to negotiate...with the owner (seller) or the broker...I doubt that either would let a sale slip away for that much money and I agree with you, the seller has in my mind an obligation to do his/her best to make sure that the boat is ready for survey and moreover be prepared to state that in his/her honest opinion it will pass survey and if not then be prepared to do his/her part to make it so...otherwise survey becomes a scam that will only put money in the surveyors' pockets...I believe we still have a buyers market for used sail boats, seems to me there are still lots to choose from left. Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Kurt Heckert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. -- * From: * Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * To: * cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * Cc: * Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; * Subject: * Stus-List Survey Question * Sent: * Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
It should be spelled out in the offer or at least discussed with the broker. You don't want bad feelings over a $400 surprise. When I bought my boat, it was on the hard. I paid for the launch and haul with the survey. Joel 35/3 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. -- * From: * Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * To: * cnc-list@cnc-list.com; * Cc: * Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; * Subject: * Stus-List Survey Question * Sent: * Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners
Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement
I saw the same posting and was kinda excited until I saw that it takes 3 C batteries. How many of us have had an expensive electronic device ruined by a leaking battery? I'm not eager to have an emergency device, in a saltwater environment, which requires alkaline batteries. I guess I'm just being overly sceptical considering that our smoke detectors use batteries. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:08 AM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List ...Now lighting configurations...
50% and most were pure guessesinteresting exercise. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-08-24 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Anybody make 100% on this? http://www.usboating.com/testlights.asp Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Everything subject to negotiation. Seller doesn't want to haul for every looker. I have proposed and had accepted a provision that I pay haul and clean if I don't buy the boat, split it if I do. Bill Walker Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Cc: Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com; Subject: Stus-List Survey Question Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2015 1:36:17 AM Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday. during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an interesting point. I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial. He said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked so, we could clean it? he said well you should talk to the broker. So I did and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out. I asked who would pay for that? He said I would be responsible for that. I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing? He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it... I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ... is that really common to be on the hook for a power washing? I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this conversation come up before... Danny ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Survey Question
When we bought our boat in March 2006, I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia and the boat was in Racine, Wisconsin..there was no way I was traveling there to view it so I had to rely on a survey. I asked the seller's broker if he could recommend a local surveyor..he flatly refusedhe said he did no think it wise for me to rely on a survey provided by the 'seller's broker' for all the obvious reasons. After I thought about it, I quickly understood what he was trying to say. With me choosing my own surveyor, I could not cry foul or collusion should something arise later on. The seller had a recent survey which he shared with me but nevertheless I hired my own surveyor, who as it turned out, was a former US naval officer, marine architect, older than dirt that could pick pepper out of fly s--t! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32- 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-08-26 11:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out would be a couple hundred and then the wash would be another $150 or so... It not so much the dollar value but the principle I question. It kind of goes along with the theory that the seller pays the broker fees... While that may be true, that value is figured into the price, and the buyer is the one with the money that ultimately pays those fees. No buyer, no fees paid... It's ridiculous to separate any fee in a sale from the source of the funds that pay the fee! LOL Oh Geeze this may now open another can of worms... Thanks again though for the insights and responses to what is now view by me as a stupid question... Not so much for my ignorance in needing to ask it but, in my inability to articulate it. Danny -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Heckert kurt_heck...@att.net mailto:kurt_heck...@att.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: djhaug...@juno.com mailto:djhaug...@juno.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:07:06 -0700 It is common, the bottom needs cleaning on haul out or you are trying to exam a fouled bottom. *From: * Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+
Steve, On my 37+ (your setup would be similar), I have the Octopus pump mounted in the port “locker” nest to the helm seat. The control arm goes through the deck and attaches to the steering quadrant. I can take some photos for you tonight or this weekend, but many of the 34+ and 37+ owners on this list have it set up the same way. I’ll be curious as to which product you choose. I have an old Robertson, which, one day after the shock of the reposer bill goes away, I want to replace with a Raymarine EV200 system. Good luck. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Folks I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 CC 34+ Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand. When i look below deck I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so not sure how an arm could be attached? The steering quadrants on these vintage CC's are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection plate. Again, no easy solution here. Any thoughts as to how a ram arm could be mounted to either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft? Thanks for any all comments. Steve Thorne Deja VU CC34+ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement
I would also like to know about experience with these. I updated all my flare kits a couple of years ago and would like to avoid that cost every few years. Seems to good to be true. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:07 AM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
You should be able to check it just by looking at how the shaft exits behind the engine - Regards, Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:19 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Hi Bill- I am not sure about the offset. I did not realize that it was a possibility. I will have to check this winter when on the hard. I have a vague recollection of it not being straight relative to the axis of the boat and that might be why. If so, I guess that would explain the pull. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Is your prop shaft offset so it can be removed past the rudder? Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:44 PM To: CnC CnC discussion list Cc: David Knecht Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
Ditto. With foredeck light I don't see need for spreader lights. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light. The bow light for motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader lights. I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not motoring or powered up in a moorage. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be a better choice? Thanks Brad 1985 CC 33 MKII Pulse Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Lazy jacks
So I finally broke down and added lazy jacks this week. In the past I always just went with some bullet blocks and line. This time, mostly due to time constraints, I used the Schaefer kit. I have to say, it's a really nice kit and well finished. Worth considering if you're adding same to your boat. John Sent from my iPad ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering
The 34/36 has a centerline shaft. I have no significant pull under power and have a 3-blade Max-Prop. I have had the 3-blade, and 2 2-blades (long story) and never had significant pull when cruising. Steering under sail or power should involve little more than 2 fingers on the wheel making adjustments. I have an recent Raymarine AP and it does not struggle I have used it for up to 5 hours motoring ad 3 sailing. Eric s/v Hee Soo CC 34/36 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You should be able to check it just by looking at how the shaft exits behind the engine - Regards, Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:19 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Cc:* David Knecht *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Hi Bill- I am not sure about the offset. I did not realize that it was a possibility. I will have to check this winter when on the hard. I have a vague recollection of it not being straight relative to the axis of the boat and that might be why. If so, I guess that would explain the pull. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Is your prop shaft offset so it can be removed past the rudder? Bill Coleman CC 39 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Knecht via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:44 PM *To:* CnC CnC discussion list *Cc:* David Knecht *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT image001.png On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:03 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: yep...call Raymarine David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:52:24 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com No- It is smooth by hand. No stiffness I have noticed. Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:50 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Does the steering hang up at all when the autopilot is disengaged? David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:04:11 -0400 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Autopilot steering From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: davidakne...@gmail.com I was on a long cruise last weekend and we ended up motoring for many hours. installed a new Raymarine EV1/ST4000+ wheel pilot last winter and this was the first extended use. I found that it was frequently cutting out while motoring (not sailing). The unit would simply freeze up and stop steering while the boat drifted slowly off course. No error on the P70 controller screen until I got an off course warning. I also noticed the wheel pilot getting warm/hot when this was happening which may be why it cut out. I also notice that while motoring, there is significant pull on the wheel that has to be fought to keep the boat going straight. Is that normal? I am guessing that the wheel pilot is overheating due to the power needed to continuously fight that pull? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT pastedGraphic.tiff ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
James — I recently replaced my steering pedestal, and added a Navpod for my helm instruments. I also ran power from my “Cabin Lights” breaker to the pod through a one-amp fuse, and put a red and a white one of these on the curved bottom of the pod, through an On-Off-On toggle switch in the pod: http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C65136%7C2312540%7C2312543id=747466 http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312543id=747466 These light up the cockpit sole (and table, when it’s up) very nicely with either white or red light. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 26, 2015, at 7:41 PM, jtsails via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Earlier this year I changed out my old perko combo steaming/foredeck light for a marinebeam combo. The marinebeam LED is awesome, the old light really didn’t illuminate the foredeck at all (it was 39 years old) and the new light is so bright it throws shadows. the only problem I have is the new light is so well focused that it doesn’t light the back half of the boat at all so now I’m trying to decide between spreader lights or a small LED fixture to light the floor of the cockpit. I don’t won’t anything too bright so I’m almost convinced that I will install a small dimmable LED fixture in the cockpit to light the floor. James Delaney CC 38 Mk11 Oriental, NC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
Earlier this year I changed out my old perko combo steaming/foredeck light for a marinebeam combo. The marinebeam LED is awesome, the old light really didn’t illuminate the foredeck at all (it was 39 years old) and the new light is so bright it throws shadows. the only problem I have is the new light is so well focused that it doesn’t light the back half of the boat at all so now I’m trying to decide between spreader lights or a small LED fixture to light the floor of the cockpit. I don’t won’t anything too bright so I’m almost convinced that I will install a small dimmable LED fixture in the cockpit to light the floor. James Delaney CC 38 Mk11 Oriental, NC From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader lights Ditto. With foredeck light I don't see need for spreader lights. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light. The bow light for motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader lights. I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not motoring or powered up in a moorage. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be a better choice? Thanks Brad 1985 CC 33 MKII Pulse Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
This summer I had the boat completely re-wired. That included installing a combination Steaming light/deck light. There are separate switches on the DC board for each light even though the deck light is the bottom portion of the steaming light housing. Located half way up the mast it throws a perfect bright light over the deck, illuminating everything from the mast to the bow. I was amazed how well it worked when I tried it the other day. I too had wires hanging out of the spreaders. Not needed anymore. Peter Delean 30-1 Drifter II Southern Georgian Bay This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be a better choice? Thanks Brad 1985 CC 33 MKII Pulse Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Survey (is it worth it?)
When we were looking for our current boat I hired surveyors each time and paid for the haulout and launch (not necessarily in that order). Each time it was around $600 or more and I have to say that this was some of the best spent money in the process. The first surveyor called me 10 min after getting off the boat and told me to “run as quickly and as far as you can”. I liked that boat, not to mention that it was much closer (1500 km vs. 3500 km for the next on the list), But I did not buy it. Later on when we connected for a longer discussion he told me that he stopped counting blisters after around 150 (big ones). I hired another surveyor (another $700 or so) for the second boat and he called me all giddy about how good the boat was. I took his word for it and I bought it. The first $600 saved me probably $3500 (or more) for the full bottom job. The second inspection did not save me anything other than the peace of mind. It was worth it. The survey is like insurance. You wish you won’t need it, but if you do, you are glad that you did. Btw. Boy, I am glad that I bought that boat three years ago. If I were to do it this time, it would have been 30% more (on exchange rates). Does this mean that my boat appreciated around 10% annually (;-)? Marek C270, “Legato” Ottawa, ON From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Survey Question When we bought our boat in March 2006, I was in Halifax, Nova Scotia and the boat was in Racine, Wisconsin..there was no way I was traveling there to view it so I had to rely on a survey. I asked the seller's broker if he could recommend a local surveyor..he flatly refusedhe said he did no think it wise for me to rely on a survey provided by the 'seller's broker' for all the obvious reasons. After I thought about it, I quickly understood what he was trying to say. With me choosing my own surveyor, I could not cry foul or collusion should something arise later on. The seller had a recent survey which he shared with me but nevertheless I hired my own surveyor, who as it turned out, was a former US naval officer, marine architect, older than dirt that could pick pepper out of fly s--t! Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32- 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-08-26 11:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote I kinda felt the same as you but regarding the survey. Why doesn't the owner buy and provide a survey? Wouldn't it make a buyer more likely to get a contact? I guess there is concern that a survey purchased by the owner can't be %100 objective. The haul and launch fees I do understand kinda. A lot of boats that have been left/abandoned for the marina to sell will be on the hard. I kinda prefer a boat on the hard to one on the water so that I can do a cursory inspection before I go under contract. The alternative is a boat on the water with an active owner who can take you out for a sail and show you around before you go under contract. Either way the boat is expected to be hauled and launched (or launched and then hauled). It is hard to expect the owner to pay for the haul and launch each time a new buyer comes to look. By the same token you get a contract so that your investments in the sale can't be lost buy the seller selling the boat out from underneath you. IMO the best scenario is an active seller with the boat in the water who is willing to take you for a sail prior to going under contract. Get him to show you everything. Feel good about the boat and then get the contract. An active owner might even split the cost of the haul. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 26, 2015 8:23 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: HI Kurt, I think it becoming obvious to me that my ability to ask a concise question is, well...questionable! LOL Anyway, It had more to do with the responsibily of who should pay for the cleaning of sais fouled bottom, not so much whether ot not is should be done. Of course you cannot inspect a fouled bottom. My point is more about why would a seller not want the boat in as good a working order as possible. This would, in fact, make the survey go faster and smoother and give everyone involved a better more positive experience. After all, there is a level of subjectivity involved and that is a matter of perspective, observation and ease of doing the task at hand. So, my point being, and again this is my limited experience with my own boat shopping for 2 different boats, why do sellers not spend just a little extra, effort, maybe even a little money so that their boats survey as best they can? I've found now that it is common for the potential buyer to not only go out of pocket, on speculation, for not only the survey and haul-out, but also, the power-washing of the bottom. Initially I was thinking that, the haul-out
Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
Hi Joel and Mike. I won't disagree with any of your points, though I was commenting on what I think is a different topic. Aside from planning, surfing or momentarily being overpowered in a gust some boats get to a much higher percentage of hull speed in moderate winds. I think everyone understands hull speed, and that it can be a soft limit, but to me a second factor is also in play. The ease at which a boat can exceed hull speed. I think most of it is from below the waterline drag, which also compounds with the loss of apparent wind. The widest difference I see is when I am racing smaller boats that are from dry sail. A common feature is a very slippery clean and polished hull, no thru-hulls, and no prop or shaft in the water. I have depth + knotmeter, and five water thru-hulls. Also, the 30-1 prop shaft and cutlass are not on the center line, and in fact are angled both down and to port. So I muse over the observation that in calmer water with a moderate breeze that the smaller day sailors are easily getting to or exceeding hull speed, maybe because they have so little drag. In my case getting to 5.4 kts is hard, again a guess but I think drag has got to be the factor. PHRF factors in displacement / water line and sail area to displacement, neither of which is my ease factor. I see it on my Tuesday night spinnaker race, where my fleet consists of J/22, J/24, J/80, I guess a J/70 now, Kirby 30 and a Star. Even without a spinnaker in a spinnaker fleet, and a 15' waterline, the Star easily takes everyone level. By PHRF it is also the slowest boat. It just has a great ease factor. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to be factored in that covers the ease at which a boat can exceed hull speed. Yes, it should!!! Planing boats get a huge break when the wind blows! Joel Message: 11 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:55:03 + From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List hull speed, planing, PHRF, etc ... Message-ID: 169e312f80b4c044be2dc1780a7de72f0e1...@hfxexc11.impgroup.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Michael Typically sport boats have their planning capabilities accounted for in their PHRF numbers. This is one reason why limiting a course to strictly W/L is not always desirable as it takes away a major component of some boats speed by removing any reaching legs? that is a discussion for another time though. A Viking 22 is not a sport boat but is light and will probably surf quite well in a wind. By contrast they would be pounded mercilessly going to wind in those same conditions. Our first ever race on our former J27 was a 52 mile port to port distance race with winds well over 20 knots TWS coming over port quarter (likely much more). We were regularly exceeding 12 knots over the water on the ST60 Speed instrument as we surfed down waves. We would then drop off to 7 knots as we stopped surfing each time. We hit a high of 13.9 knots that day. (which we never ever saw again while racing in 7 years). During the same race the boat ahead of us was a Peterson 37. They never came close to 13 knots but they also never dropped below 9. The boat immediately behind was a CC 34 ? same thing as the Peterson. I suspect your 30 would also not slow down as much after the surf finishes as the lighter 22 but would have a pretty nice average boat speed during the day. I should note that after we dropped the spin and went with just a main for a while we continued to exceed 12 and drop down to 7s. We averaged 8 knots over our course that race. It was a wild and wet day. At the bar after the finish a friend in a Tanzer 22 was there less than an hour after we finished and he flew only white sails. Usually he is several hours behind. The only other time we hit high speeds on speedo was just after we abandoned a race due to excessive waves and wind and were reaching back to port under reefed main and 100% headsail. While I was attending to cooler duties we surfed down a wave and briefly hit 15.0 knots. Despite that it took our usual time to get back. As a proud papa of the boat I selected Max Speed both times and took photos at the dock. On the day we hit 15 after abandoning a CC30-1 won the race. Mike Persistence Halifax ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 115, Issue 109
$5,000 sounds about right. Subtract $1-2K if you do the labor yourself (Shouldn’t be too difficult). I’m racing tonight, but planning to get to the Enterprise early. I’ll take some pictures. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: $5000 On Aug 26, 2015 11:23 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Edd Yea was wondering if that would be a good spot for the unit. Any pictures you could send would be really much appreciated. Any thoughts on what the costs would be for a project of this scope? Materials / Labor ?? Thanks Steve ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 115, Issue 109
$5000 On Aug 26, 2015 11:23 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Edd Yea was wondering if that would be a good spot for the unit. Any pictures you could send would be really much appreciated. Any thoughts on what the costs would be for a project of this scope? Materials / Labor ?? Thanks Steve On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+ (Edd Schillay) 2. Re: SOS light flare replacement (Edd Schillay) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:47:29 -0400 From: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+ Message-ID: c5dc6ca6-ae6d-41ca-8d8f-256c851b3...@schillay.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Steve, On my 37+ (your setup would be similar), I have the Octopus pump mounted in the port ?locker? nest to the helm seat. The control arm goes through the deck and attaches to the steering quadrant. I can take some photos for you tonight or this weekend, but many of the 34+ and 37+ owners on this list have it set up the same way. I?ll be curious as to which product you choose. I have an old Robertson, which, one day after the shock of the reposer bill goes away, I want to replace with a Raymarine EV200 system. Good luck. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Folks I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 CC 34+ Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand. When i look below deck I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so not sure how an arm could be attached? The steering quadrants on these vintage CC's are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection plate. Again, no easy solution here. Any thoughts as to how a ram arm could be mounted to either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft? Thanks for any all comments. Steve Thorne Deja VU CC34+ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150826/9f6b8068/attachment-0001.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-1.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 32046 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150826/9f6b8068/attachment-0001.tiff -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:03:01 -0400 From: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement Message-ID: f3d2db3f-2a4f-4eef-b994-ecc85202e...@schillay.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would also like to know about experience with these. I updated all my flare kits a couple of years ago and would like to avoid that cost every few years. Seems to good to be true. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:07 AM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 115, Issue 109
Hi Edd Yea was wondering if that would be a good spot for the unit. Any pictures you could send would be really much appreciated. Any thoughts on what the costs would be for a project of this scope? Materials / Labor ?? Thanks Steve On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:03 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+ (Edd Schillay) 2. Re: SOS light flare replacement (Edd Schillay) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:47:29 -0400 From: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Under Deck AP Set Up CC 34+ Message-ID: c5dc6ca6-ae6d-41ca-8d8f-256c851b3...@schillay.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Steve, On my 37+ (your setup would be similar), I have the Octopus pump mounted in the port ?locker? nest to the helm seat. The control arm goes through the deck and attaches to the steering quadrant. I can take some photos for you tonight or this weekend, but many of the 34+ and 37+ owners on this list have it set up the same way. I?ll be curious as to which product you choose. I have an old Robertson, which, one day after the shock of the reposer bill goes away, I want to replace with a Raymarine EV200 system. Good luck. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Stephen Thorne via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Folks I need some collective wisdom on a potential project for Deja Vu - 1990 CC 34+ Now considering an under deck auto pilot of some brand. When i look below deck I see the rudder tube is completely encased in solid fiberglass and so not sure how an arm could be attached? The steering quadrants on these vintage CC's are above deck but recessed under a removable deck inspection plate. Again, no easy solution here. Any thoughts as to how a ram arm could be mounted to either the steering quadrant or to the rudder tube/shaft? Thanks for any all comments. Steve Thorne Deja VU CC34+ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150826/9f6b8068/attachment-0001.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-1.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 32046 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150826/9f6b8068/attachment-0001.tiff -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:03:01 -0400 From: Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List SOS light flare replacement Message-ID: f3d2db3f-2a4f-4eef-b994-ecc85202e...@schillay.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would also like to know about experience with these. I updated all my flare kits a couple of years ago and would like to avoid that cost every few years. Seems to good to be true. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:07 AM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Sirius Signal SOS Distress light? The claim is that it complies with USCG requirements replacing flares, and that it does not expire. I just read about it from an Active Captain post which includes a Defender link for those interested: http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp I would be interested of anyones experience with these. Thanks. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150826
Re: Stus-List ...Now lighting configurations...
I would risk a statement that if you get 100% every time, you are either extremely well prepared (e.g. just coming off the master’s exam) or have extremely good memory. Potentially, you encounter all of those situations regularly. For the rest of us, it is more likely to get a result in the 50-80 range. Here (a longish lake on a river) I feel lucky (and happy) if all boats have_ANY_ lights on after sunset. But we have no commercial traffic; only sailboats and pleasure motor boats. Btw. talking about our lake (and this is CC related) – the Shark World Championships are currently happening here (in the neighbour Club). Close to 40 Sharks are participating from many clubs in Canada and the US and with two crews from Austria and Germany. Marek C270 “Legato” Ottawa, ON From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Re: Stus-List ...Now lighting configurations... 50% and most were pure guessesinteresting exercise. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-08-24 5:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Anybody make 100% on this? http://www.usboating.com/testlights.asp Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Spreader lights
I had dinner on a friend's very nice boat on Friday. He had rigged a small light on the bottom of the boom which lit up the cockpit very nicely. Bill Hall Starfire On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:41 PM, jtsails via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Earlier this year I changed out my old perko combo steaming/foredeck light for a marinebeam combo. The marinebeam LED is awesome, the old light really didn’t illuminate the foredeck at all (it was 39 years old) and the new light is so bright it throws shadows. the only problem I have is the new light is so well focused that it doesn’t light the back half of the boat at all so now I’m trying to decide between spreader lights or a small LED fixture to light the floor of the cockpit. I don’t won’t anything too bright so I’m almost convinced that I will install a small dimmable LED fixture in the cockpit to light the floor. James Delaney CC 38 Mk11 Oriental, NC *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:22 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spreader lights Ditto. With foredeck light I don't see need for spreader lights. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I use a Forespar, combination bow light/deck light. The bow light for motoring at night, and the deck light taking the place of actual spreader lights. I they're not LED, but I rarely use either of them when not motoring or powered up in a moorage. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR This has been bothering me all summer, there are wires hanging out of my mast just under the spreaders (first set) it's obvious that someone has removed the original spreader lights. I've been looking online at the multitude of LED spreader lights available, and am wondering just how useful they are, especially when they are so incredibly bright. What do you have? Do you use them? Are they only used when at the slip? Would a spotlight or two be more useful up there? I think I saw a red/white combo light somewhere, would that be a better choice? Thanks Brad 1985 CC 33 MKII Pulse Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- William D. Hall, Ph.D. 617 620 9078 (c) wh...@alum.mit.edu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Autopilot steering
David Alera does the same thing. As I understand it, the pull to port is a result of the prop clockwise spin. The wheel is about 7 degrees or so off center under power. But my Raymarine X5 wheel pilot has no problem with it, except in heavy seas. But that is expected at Alera is at the top of the capacity for a wheel pilot. You may want to wreck the tension on the belt. Tom Buscaglia S/V Alera 1990 CC 37+/40 Vashon WA P 206.463.9200 On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:20 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:23:32 -0400 From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot steering Message-ID: cac9qatqmavje+2dynczxqhkqu06m781brhpajj3qle6izwx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 David, I have a pull to port under power on my 35-3 (the same with new engine and newly aligned shaft as before) with no pull under sail / coasting. The shaft is on center line as I presume is yours. I've never had the issues you've described with my Raymarine wheel pilot SPX-5 under power. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:43 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Calling Raymarine was my first action and I am waiting for a call back. But what I really want to know from the group is whether the relatively strong pull to port while motoring is normal or whether neutral helm is normal. Dave Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
