Stus-List Re: Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders for backstay

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Thanks for the information. Do you by any chance have a name and/or number
for the shop you used?
Thanks and hope you had a great Thanksgiving,
Allen

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:31 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Used a local NJ hydraulic shop twice in 21 years owning my boat.
> I typically leave 500# pressure at the slip and keep a SS washer on the
> rod above the cylinder to protect that O-ring seal from UVs.  The pressure
> holds for months.
>
> Fluid:  The hydraulic shop advised me to change the original fluid that
> looked like transmission fluid or power steering fluid to 10 weight
> non-detergent fluid.  Easily found at auto stores like NAPA.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Annapolis
>
> On 11/17/2023 8:44 PM EST Paul Fountain via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> I always bring mine home, think the extreme cold and dry weather when
> combined with the lack of use are bad for the seals.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> --
> *From:* paul.hood via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2023 6:48:48 PM
> *To:* David Risch via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* paul.hood 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders
> for backstay
>
> Went to a specialty hydralics shop to get mine fixed.  They couldn't
> don't.  Went elsewhere and they did fine.  Still wasn't cheap. Done work on
> the 2 hydralics and the pump.
>
> Seems I do have periodic failures in the backstay and pump (seals) too
> often and usually experienced after the winter. Not sure if the winters up
> here play havoc with the seals but I've taken them off now in the fall.
> They're now stored indoors for the winter. Hoping to avoid the expensive
> and time consuming spring fixes.
>
>
> Paul Hood
> 416.799.5549
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: David Risch via CnC-List 
> Date: 2023-11-17 6:27 p.m. (GMT-05:00)
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: David Risch 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders for
> backstay
>
>
> Just go to a local hydraulic shop.  Sorry as a Navtech “technician” ripped
> me off for two “re-builds” in two years at $500 an incompetent rebuild.
> Construction guys don’t tolerate that crap.   $100 once and done.   It is
> just a pump.
>
>
>
> *From:* Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2023 2:12 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders
> for backstay
>
>
>
> I also like Lew, whom I contacted based on recommendations from this
> list.  That said, he’s not from NJ (far from it), and shipping cost almost
> as much as the work.  Also, the rebuild work I had done was prophylactic,
> and my unit now has a very minor leak that it didn’t have before.  I’m sure
> he’d fix it if I sent it back. Bottom line: as much as I like Lew, I
> suggest finding someone local.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Second Lew Townsend.  He rebuilt mine after another Navtec rebuilder
> botched it.  Excellent to work with.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 8:55 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Lew Townsend did all my Navtec hydraulic repairs. Don't know whether he
> does Sailtec, but you can call him at (206) 498-7282. He does quality work.
> Others on the list have also used him.
>
>
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 6:36 AM Allen Miles via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning All,
>
>
>
> Septima has moved from Hampton Roads, VA to Bayville, NJ. Upon arrival we
> noticed that the hydraulic cylinders for the backstay were leaking. Does
> anyone have recommendations on a reputable service to rebuild them in the
> NJ area?
>
>
>
> They are Sailtec branded. However, the marina we are in refuses to do
> business with them based on previous bad experiences. Love to support local
> businesses but also want a quality job. Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks and have a great weekend,
>
>
>
> Allen Miles
>
> 30 Mk II, Septima
>
> Bayville, NJ
>
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Stus-List Recommendations to rebuild hydraulic cylinders for backstay

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Good morning All,

Septima has moved from Hampton Roads, VA to Bayville, NJ. Upon arrival we
noticed that the hydraulic cylinders for the backstay were leaking. Does
anyone have recommendations on a reputable service to rebuild them in the
NJ area?

They are Sailtec branded. However, the marina we are in refuses to do
business with them based on previous bad experiences. Love to support local
businesses but also want a quality job. Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks and have a great weekend,

Allen Miles
30 Mk II, Septima
Bayville, NJ
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Stus-List Re: Strange pipe

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

In the days of paper NOAA charts, they were rolled and stored in the tube

Allen Miles
1990 30-2
Septima
Cedar Creek NJ

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 12:33 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Possible cable trace for instruments, engine monitors sent to nav station?
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2023 8:59:54 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* Doug Mountjoy 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Strange pipe
>
> So I was working on my boat today checking the thru hulls. And found a 3in
> dia 3 FT long piece of PVC pipe under and otbd ov the aft head sink. I
> looks like it was factory installed. One end is plugged with a flush teak
> plug. The open end went through the bulkhead into the space below the nav
> table.
> Maybe someone here has a clue, because I don't.
> I'm getting ready to splash for the winter here.
> Thanks
>
>
> Douglas Mountjoy
> 1988 C&C LF 39
> Mexico at large
> 1984 Sabre 34
> Port Orchard, WA
>
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Stus-List Re: Test One

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

roger

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 1:26 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Testing email
> 1
> 2
> 3
> Test One Two Three
>

Stus-List Re: C&C 34/36 Boat reviewed in Sailing magazine

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Chuck,

I would like to see that article.

Allen Miles

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:11 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> FWIW, there is a nice used boat review of the C&C 34/36 in the 2022
> Jan/Feb *Sailing* magazine.
> If anyone is interested, I can share a copy of the article.
>
> Chuck S
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Stus-List Re: Messages going to spam

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Same here,  just checked

Allen Miles

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 10:00 AM Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Same for me.
>
> Lisle
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 9:12 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> In the last couple days, list messages have started ending up in my spam
>> folder.  I use gmail.
>>
>> Anyone else using gmail having this issue?
>>
>> I'm re-creating my filter(s) to send them to my C&C list folder.
>> Hopefully this will resolve the issue for me but I'm concerned what gmail
>> thinks the list emails are spam.
>>
>> I have also clicked the "Report Not Spam" link in gmail.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
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>> Thanks - Stu
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C Meet & Greet Virtual Rendezvous

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Stu,

Sorry I had a scheduling conflict and had to miss this event. First one was
great/

Allen Miles

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 5:01 PM Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi folks --
>
> I have planned for out 2nd Meet and Greet Virtual Rendezvous for:
> Thursday,  Aug 27, 2020 07:00 PM Central Time (US and Canada) – should be
> around 4pm Pacific Time.
>
> You must register in advance for this meeting at:
>
> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYodeyupj8tH9RmFtvreygqYzhwfk6uupAi
>
> After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing
> information about joining the meeting.
>
> Our first rendezvous was a great success and everyone was pleased to
> finally put faces on names.  Thursday night will be your chance.
>
> Hope to see everyone there.  Masks not necessary but please maintain
> social distancing.
>
> Stay safe
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[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Cute sign

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
Hampton, VA

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 10:32 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> For those of you that are considering updating your head, last month, I
> installed a Jabsco Lite Flush Electric head and it’s working beautifully.
> Unlike earlier versions of this model which had mixed reviews, this has a
> better pump, macerator and belt, along with a simple two-button control
> panel (also available in a foot-switch model). The best part is that it
> mounts on the same bolts that hold your Jabsco manual flush head so
> installation is both clean and easy.
>
> Here’s a picture of the install:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uf142xu3l2dwb1f/HeadInstall.jpg?dl=0
>
> The control panel mounted easily on the trim (right side of photo with
> blue tape) and the cable was easy to run and hide behind it.
>
> Highly recommend it.
>
> Of course, for any newbies that come on board, I decided to print up a
> sign that will cling to the mirror with detailed instructions on how to use
> the head on board the Enterprise. Here’s the sign I made:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j1d3szqybmc2tuo/HeadInstructions2.jpg?dl=0
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List hydraulic backstay

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Josh,

You dealt with Lew in Seattle?  That's a haul from the Solomons, MD.

How did that work out?

Allen

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:22 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ugh!  Thanks Alan, for properly stating Lew's number.  Sorry my number for
> Lew was completely wrong!  Please DISREGARD my previous email.  As Alan
> stated, Lew's proper info is:
> 206-498-7282
> lewtowns...@comcast.net
>
> Apologies,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020, 13:42 ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> My hydraulic backstay failed while on an ocean race. I didn't notice it
>> until we started slipping on the hydraulic fluid all over the cockpit
>> floor. We used a spare halyard as a backstay until we finished the race.
>>
>> I have all my hydraulic work done by Lew Townsend in Seattle. He has done
>> work for several people on the list.. Pretty far for you, but if you want
>> to talk with Lew, you can reach him at: 206-498-7282.
>> lewtowns...@comcast.net
>>
>> Alan Bergen
>> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:45 AM Allen Miles via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jake,
>>>
>>> I know you sold Midnight Mistress, but my HYC based C&C 30-2 could use
>>> new seals.  Do you remember who you used for the job? I talked to a Hampton
>>> rigger and he wanted to send it to New York to get the unit rebuilt. I
>>> liked the idea of your cheap and easy fix.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>
>>> Allen Miles
>>> S/V Septima
>>> HYC, Hampton, VA
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 6:17 AM Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That sounds pretty normal for a leaky seal to not hold pressure.  It’s
>>>> odd that you leaked so much fluid though.  The backstay is the highest part
>>>> of the system.  I would think that the pressure would eventually leak down
>>>> to zero and then stop leaking altogether.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ve had my seals replaced before.  Cheap and easy fix.  I’ve also
>>>> noticed that if you keep the top seal covered, it lasts longer.  Some folks
>>>> use a foam can holder for this, although it doesn’t look that great.
>>>> Keeping the seal out of the sun will keep it lasting longer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jake
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Jake Brodersen*
>>>>
>>>> *C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>>>>
>>>> *Hampton VA*
>>>>
>>>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D2F43E.567E4070]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Dan
>>>> via CnC-List
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2018 23:18
>>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>>> *Cc:* Dan 
>>>> *Subject:* Stus-List hydraulic backstay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that my hydraulic backstay was leaking a little hydraulic
>>>> fluid around the piston point - an indication that a seal inside probably
>>>> needs replacing... I noticed that over the winter most of the fluid has
>>>> leaked out and the backstay will no longer hold pressure. We've had
>>>> temperatures as low as -19 deg. Celcius here in Canada, just wondering if
>>>> this leaking is normal with a bad seal or is there more at play here with
>>>> leaving my hydraulics exposed to the harsh cold environment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> Breakaweigh
>>>>
>>>> C&C44
>>>>
>>>> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List hydraulic backstay

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Jake,

I know you sold Midnight Mistress, but my HYC based C&C 30-2 could use new
seals.  Do you remember who you used for the job? I talked to a Hampton
rigger and he wanted to send it to New York to get the unit rebuilt. I
liked the idea of your cheap and easy fix.

Thanks for your help,

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
HYC, Hampton, VA

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 6:17 AM Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dan,
>
>
>
> That sounds pretty normal for a leaky seal to not hold pressure.  It’s odd
> that you leaked so much fluid though.  The backstay is the highest part of
> the system.  I would think that the pressure would eventually leak down to
> zero and then stop leaking altogether.
>
>
>
> I’ve had my seals replaced before.  Cheap and easy fix.  I’ve also noticed
> that if you keep the top seal covered, it lasts longer.  Some folks use a
> foam can holder for this, although it doesn’t look that great.  Keeping the
> seal out of the sun will keep it lasting longer.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D2F43E.567E4070]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Dan via
> CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2018 23:18
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dan 
> *Subject:* Stus-List hydraulic backstay
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I noticed that my hydraulic backstay was leaking a little hydraulic fluid
> around the piston point - an indication that a seal inside probably needs
> replacing... I noticed that over the winter most of the fluid has leaked
> out and the backstay will no longer hold pressure. We've had temperatures
> as low as -19 deg. Celcius here in Canada, just wondering if this leaking
> is normal with a bad seal or is there more at play here with leaving my
> hydraulics exposed to the harsh cold environment?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
> Breakaweigh
>
> C&C44
>
> Halifax, NS
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Re: Stus-List 84 Landfall 35

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Change your air filter.  Engine not getting enough air.  Simple first step.

Allen MIles
S/V Septima
C&C 30-2
Hampton, VA

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:43 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Quick question and I'll put it out to the list too.  I've got a fair
> amount of black smoke that dirties the stern and is pretty visable while
> motoring.
>
> Any thoughts on where to start?
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:40 PM, Peter Cowenhoven
>  wrote:
> Really, wierd and that was consistently slower?
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:32 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List
>  wrote:
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Re: Stus-List Spilled Epoxy

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I have a similar cushion issue.  Someone left a hammer on the cushion, it
got moist and now I have an iron rust stain.

Any ideas on how to remove it?  it's in the settee cushion up by the
bulkhead.

Allen Miles
30-2 Septima
Hampton, VA

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:27 PM MAURICE POULIN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If removal of epoxy fails, you could do what is called a dutchman in
> woodworking but using foam. You basically cut out the affected foam and
> replace it with a piece of new foam material. 3m fabric spray adhesive
> works really well on foam. Best of luck
>
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>
> Le 11 mai 2020 à 22:57, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> a écrit :
>
> If you're talking about epoxy resin that hasn't been mixed with hardener,
> white vinegar works as a solvent.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:54 PM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> I routinely clean the epoxy tools with acetone. But I don't believe
>> your foam will stand up to it, maybe a little test patch. The fabric
>> might be okay.
>>
>> If the foam cushion is symmetrical then how about removing it from
>> the fabric cover and "spilling" a bit o' hardener on the area, then
>> rotate installation so that part of the foam is on the bottom. If we
>> were talking about a Microsoft product you would sell it as an
>> anti-wear "feature".
>>
>>  Cheers, Russ
>>  ex-Sweet, 35 mk-1
>>
>>
>>
>> At 04:41 PM 5/11/2020, you wrote:
>> >I need help. I spilled epoxy resin on my brand new upholstery, and
>> >it went unnoticed for several days, so it has soaked into the new
>> >foam also. The area is about 6 sq inches. My question is what do I
>> >use to remove the resin with out damaging the foam?
>> >I am not to worried about the fabric as I sewed it myself and have
>> >plenty left over.
>> >Thanks in advance
>> >Doug
>> >
>> >--
>> >Douglas Mountjoy
>> >253-208-1412
>> >Port Orchard YC, WA
>> >sv Rebecca Leah
>> >C&C LandFall 39
>>
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Re: Stus-List Winter Cover Measurements for C&C 30-2

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Pete,

I have the cover you want avaiable for sale.  I had it built for Septima, a
30-2, when I used to winter store her on the hard in CT. Haven't had beed
for years.
I am returning to NE NC at the end of the month.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
Hampton, VA

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 12:01 PM kelly petew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey fellow C&C30-2 listers,
>
> Does anyone use a winter cover on their boat?  If so, would you have its
> measurements handy to share?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Pete W.
>
> 1991 C&C30-2
>
> Siren Song
>
>
>
> Deltaville, Va.
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Re: Stus-List 37+ lights and head

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Thanks, I'll check them out.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:47 PM Ken Heaton  wrote:

> Our 37/40 has one of these in the shower: Scandvik, Inc. #46003 Black
> handle with 5’ chrome flex hose
>
> https://www.scandvik.com/index.cfm?method=products_detail&productID=95
>
> Scandvik, Inc. is based in in Vero Beach, Fl.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:44, Allen Miles via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought my 30-2 came equipped with an extendable hose faucet in the
>> head so you could shower there. There is a shower grate and separate sump
>> and pump.
>>
>> I just checked on board and I now have a standard faucet. Was I imagining
>> things or was there a faucet with a hose that retracted into the locker
>> under the sink? Can I get a replacement?
>>
>> Allen Miles
>> S/v Septima
>> Hampton, VA
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:15 PM Opt online via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a link to the 37+ owners manual.  I kept my navy light housings
>>> and put in LEDs from Defender
>>>
>>> On smelly head, I replaced all my hoses, the head, the anti siphon and
>>> the y valve.  I put fresh water in every flush using the head sink faucet
>>> that I replaced with an extendable hose faucet.  Also this device is
>>> amazing:
>>> SeaSmart Marine Marine Toilet Sanitizer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Hulit
>>>
>>> Kindred. 1988 37+ wing keel
>>>
>>> 917 854-5537
>>> rhhu...@optonline.net
>>> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>>>
>>> > On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:39 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to
>>> >   cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Today's Topics:
>>> >
>>> >  1.  Smelly head (Blair Clark)
>>> >  2. Re:  Smelly head (Jeff Helsdingen)
>>> >  3. Re:  Potable water conservation (Bailey White)
>>> >  4. Re:  Smelly head (Shawn Wright)
>>> >  5.  Aqua Signal Lights on a 37+ (Chuck Saur)
>>> >  6. Re:  Smelly head (David Castor)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:52:16 +
>>> > From: Blair Clark 
>>> > To: CNC List 
>>> > Subject: Stus-List Smelly head
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> >   <
>>> bn8pr06mb5715a2797838844d1a520248c1...@bn8pr06mb5715.namprd06.prod.outlook.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> >
>>> > I beg patience as i am hoping there is some quick troubleshooting
>>> hints that can be provided.
>>> >
>>> > Purchased a 1990 C&C 34 +. really really happy with boat and currently
>>> working  through some smaller items to get her up to speed.
>>> >
>>> > one of these involves the holding tank. My jabsco manual toilet exits
>>> through a Y valve to sea or to  holding tank.  No external macerator system
>>> is in place.. Even when Y valve set to sea I am having a smell go away and
>>> then return to the head area.
>>> >
>>> > Holding tank was pumped before transport after purchase and appears
>>> close to empty.
>>> >
>>> > Steps to date:
>>> >
>>> > 1) Had a group out on the boat
>>> > 2) next day head ines appeared blocked as there was back pressure on
>>> handle
>>> > 3) removed lines got shop vacuum cleared lines and flushed with
>>> vinegar and water
>>> > 4 thought everything would be good
>>> > 5) Noticed smell in head
>>> > 2) noticed back flow of liquid into bowl
>>> > 3) again fought with stif

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[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Gee, there was boat traffic on the state barge canal (replaced the old Erie
Canal) while I was eating dinner at a canal side bistro in Utica earlier
this fall.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
Hampton, Va

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:25 AM Mike Taylor via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Matthew
>
> I hope some has told all of the boaters using the defunct Erie Canal that
> they’ll have to find another way south or north depending the season.😜
>
> Mike
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
> *Date:* November 25, 2019 at 9:58:38 AM EST
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* "Matthew L. Wolford" 
> *Subject:* *Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs*
> *Reply-To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> 
> It doesn’t.
>
> Niagara Falls and the Welland Canal are the two main “exits” from Lake
> Erie.  As I understand it, much of the flow going down the Niagara River is
> diverted for hydraulic power, and presumably there is more flow now going
> over the falls due to the high lake level.  Obviously, it’s not draining
> fast enough.  The Welland is used for commercial freighter traffic and is
> consequently well-controlled with locks.  It would likely be too disruptive
> to try to use the Welland as a drain.  I believe the Erie Canal is largely
> defunct and was also controlled with locks.  Even if you could direct water
> through what’s left of that system, it would likely be overwhelmed before
> having much impact on the lake level.
>
> *From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 8:55 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joe Della Barba 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fwd: Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs
>
>
> Next dumb question - assuming someone decides to lower Lake Ontario a bit,
> how well does that lower the other lakes, if at all?
>
> It seems like too much flow could flood Montreal. Last time I was in
> Montreal the current headed east was pretty strong anyway, so I assume this
> really could effect slow boats headed upstream.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
> On 11/25/2019 7:53 AM, Mike Taylor via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe
>
> The Moses-Saunders Power Dam ar Cornwall/Massena controls Lake Ontario and
> the out flow down stream.  There is a lot of controversy over the IJC Plan
> 2014.  The deciding factor is controlling the spring flooding at Montreal
> and depths for commercial traffic.  I’ve really simplified it, it is
> infinitely more complex.
>
> IJC Plan 2014
> https://legacyfiles.ijc.org/tinymce/uploaded/LOSLR/IJC_LOSR_EN_Web.pdf
>
> Mike
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Date:* November 25, 2019 at 6:52:39 AM EST
> *To:* mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov
> 
> *Subject:* *Re:  Stus-List Great Lakes water levels...for C&Cs*
> *Reply-To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> 
>
> This is maybe a really dumb question – is there a way to drain them?
>
> Does anything control the amount of water that heads out to sea down the
> St. Lawrence Seaway, Erie Canal, and so on?
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Boat insurance...reimbursement vs. depreciated coverage...

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I have agreed hull value with BoatUS.  I don't remember seeing a change in
coverage.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima
C&C 30-2
Hampton, VA

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 4:39 PM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I may be repeating myself here, but it bears repeating.  Check your boat
> coverage.  BoatIUS had reimbursement coverage before they switched to GEICO
> as their carrier last year.  Now it is depreciated value coverage.
> Reimbursement coverage pays for replacing damages up to the agreed value.
> Depreciated coverage drops to 20% over time to where most of our boats
> would only receive 20% of fixing damages!   I switched coverage when I
> learned of this and I still pay the same premium.
>
>
>
> I bring this up because one of our brethren has been caught by this issue
> after a recent incident.  If your broker cannot find a reimbursement
> carrier, let me know.  I will provide the contact info of my guy.
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Re: Stus-List 37+ lights and head

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I thought my 30-2 came equipped with an extendable hose faucet in the head
so you could shower there. There is a shower grate and separate sump and
pump.

I just checked on board and I now have a standard faucet. Was I imagining
things or was there a faucet with a hose that retracted into the locker
under the sink? Can I get a replacement?

Allen Miles
S/v Septima
Hampton, VA

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:15 PM Opt online via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here is a link to the 37+ owners manual.  I kept my navy light housings
> and put in LEDs from Defender
>
> On smelly head, I replaced all my hoses, the head, the anti siphon and the
> y valve.  I put fresh water in every flush using the head sink faucet that
> I replaced with an extendable hose faucet.  Also this device is amazing:
> SeaSmart Marine Marine Toilet Sanitizer
>
>
>
>
> Rich Hulit
>
> Kindred. 1988 37+ wing keel
>
> 917 854-5537
> rhhu...@optonline.net
> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>
> > On Oct 2, 2019, at 3:39 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> >
> > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to
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> > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >  1.  Smelly head (Blair Clark)
> >  2. Re:  Smelly head (Jeff Helsdingen)
> >  3. Re:  Potable water conservation (Bailey White)
> >  4. Re:  Smelly head (Shawn Wright)
> >  5.  Aqua Signal Lights on a 37+ (Chuck Saur)
> >  6. Re:  Smelly head (David Castor)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 18:52:16 +
> > From: Blair Clark 
> > To: CNC List 
> > Subject: Stus-List Smelly head
> > Message-ID:
> >   <
> bn8pr06mb5715a2797838844d1a520248c1...@bn8pr06mb5715.namprd06.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I beg patience as i am hoping there is some quick troubleshooting hints
> that can be provided.
> >
> > Purchased a 1990 C&C 34 +. really really happy with boat and currently
> working  through some smaller items to get her up to speed.
> >
> > one of these involves the holding tank. My jabsco manual toilet exits
> through a Y valve to sea or to  holding tank.  No external macerator system
> is in place.. Even when Y valve set to sea I am having a smell go away and
> then return to the head area.
> >
> > Holding tank was pumped before transport after purchase and appears
> close to empty.
> >
> > Steps to date:
> >
> > 1) Had a group out on the boat
> > 2) next day head ines appeared blocked as there was back pressure on
> handle
> > 3) removed lines got shop vacuum cleared lines and flushed with vinegar
> and water
> > 4 thought everything would be good
> > 5) Noticed smell in head
> > 2) noticed back flow of liquid into bowl
> > 3) again fought with stiff lines and replaced joker valve
> > 3) back flow and  Smell went away
> > 4) a few days later after not using boat the smell came back but not
> from toilet bowl
> > 5) noticed that when I opened door under vanity sink bowl in the space
> that houses the holding tank that the smell was more extreme
> > 6) thought of taking tank out to inspect during winter but have no idea
> how to access it to do so.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions as to troubleshoot tsmell, holding tank
> or lines and or remove tank?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Blair
> > C&C 34+
> > -- next part --
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 14:58:42 -0400
> > From: Jeff Helsdingen 
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Smelly head
> > Message-ID:
> >   
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Even the good read expensive hose smells bad after a while. If yours is
> > still original it's probably due to be replaced. Possibly the tank as
> well.
> > I've heard it is better to use fresh water from the head faucet to flush
> > rather than sea water too. What we did to get rid of the smells was to
> yank
> > all of it out and go with a composting head. So far so good. Good luck.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Wed., Oct. 2, 2019, 2:52 p.m. Blair Clark via CnC-List, <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I beg patience as i am hoping there is some quick troubleshooting hints
> >> that can be provided.
> >>
> >> Purchased a 1990 C&C 34 +. really really happy with boat and currently
> >> working  through some smaller items

Re: Stus-List - The Enterprise is Moving

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I'd drive down just to meet fellow C&C'ers.  Septima is getting her bottom
refinished in Hampton.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
C&C 30-2
abmile...@gmail.com

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:22 AM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Or Oriental ! :)
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> www.flirtingwithfire.net
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Mark Baldridge via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Unless you are going around Hatteras, maybe we can have a C&C NC get
> together as you come through. Maybe Belhaven or preferably Beaufort.
>
> Mark Baldridge
> ~~_/)
> '89 C&C37/40+ #30 "The Edge"
> Surf City, NC
>
>
> On 6/1/2019 8:12 AM, John Conklin via CnC-List wrote:
>
> All the best Ed! My friends boat was at lincoln harbor weehawkin NJ. Other
> side of the hudson and very $$ so i can imagine. City island!
> My 37 is now docked in  Rick Brass territory Oriental NC. I leave her
> plugged in but only turn fridge ( sometimes A/C ) on when I arrive On
> weekends. I leave her in but do winterize Drain everything  small
> heater as we can hit below freezing. You wont have this problem! :)
> Enjoy the FL coast ( and pool!)  and Happy Sailing !!
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> www.flirtingwithfire.net
> 
>
>
> On May 31, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> You could say it’s around the corner, but only if you are talking on a
> country-wide scale. This summer, the Enterprise will be moving to a slip at
> the Venice Yacht Club in Venice, FL — In fact, fellow lister Captain Rick
> Brass is working up a full plan and quote to bring her down.
>
> My business and residence will also be moving to southern Sarasota. You
> could say it has been an eventful winter around here.
>
> So, the Enterprise will travel over 1,300 miles to continue the voyages
> she has begun, seeking out strange new marinas and southern Florida
> civilizations, boldly going where no man, or no one, has gone before.
>
> Aside from Bruce’s C&C 37+ and a few others I know about, there’s not a
> whole lot of C&C action in the Gulf area, but maybe others will one day
> follow us to also live where others vacation. There is something VERY
> satisfying in knowing that last October was the last time I’ll winterize my
> engine and that I won’t really need to haul the boat again for at least a
> few years, then only to slap some new paint on the bottom and then go back
> sailing again.
>
> I’d love to get a Rendezvous together for late June or something like that
> in the LI Sound area — stay tuned for that.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2019, at 3:30 PM, JP Mail via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Edd,  we do shore power as described by Josh.
> Where you moving to?
> ‘Round the corner?
> Any updates on rendezvous?
> We are in Stamford now with no excuses.
> Jon Pratt
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Re: Stus-List flares

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Our USPS district arranged a pyrotechnics demo using expired flares and
rockets. There were no duds. We did note that strikers we the major point
of failure. When you find a good one it will fire off multiple flares.
Moral, don't discard strikers after one use.

On Oct 24, 2018 9:21 PM, "Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
wrote:

I might be a candidate, depending on when they expired. I have like 6
expired flares and a couple of expired smokes on the boat… in addition to
the current Solas stuff. I might replace the VERY old ones with your
NOT-so-so-very-old ones.



Rick Brass

Washington, NC







*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
Aronson via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:03 PM
*To:* cnc-list 
*Cc:* Joel Aronson 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List flares



I've switched, but I also have SOLAS flares on board.  (Anyone want a dozen
expired SOLAS flares?



Joel




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Re: Stus-List Anyone racing C&C 30 MKII?

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

In response to several questions, Sailing is basic physics.

   1. You have the under body, the hull, keel and rudder and
   2.  you have the Sails, in my case a dacron North main and a funny
   material 140 Genoa.

Each of these generate forces that have to be balanced to move quickly and
efficiently.
My winged keel is a NACA low speed symmetric airfoil and it generates lift
at a 4 degree angle of attack.
The hull carries its beam well aft and the underwater shape varies with
heel angle tending to come up into the wind if heeled more than 18 degrees.
The rudder balances the underwater forces and shouldn't need much playing
after you balance all the forces.  Think of your autohelm.
I have all the sail controls needed to shape the main and Genoa.  All are
adjustable from the cockpit.
The main sheet traveler is mounted on the bridge deck and is equipped with
a Harken Windward Car system.
Once the main is properly trimmed with the correct twist, the trimmer
doesn't change the foil shape, just its attack angle.
The Genoa is adjusted for power. I have adjustable cars to do that and a
hydraulic backstay.

Hope that answers the questions I've received.  I've been real busy
cleaning up Michael mess.

Allen

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 4:23 PM David Miles via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Allen,
> Very interesting comments regarding your experience with a C&C MK2.
> If you have a moment, let's connect up. Maybe we're related, as we own the
> same boat...#115.
> mi...@intergate.ca
>
> David Miles
> 1988 C&C MK2 Impulse
>
> On October 11, 2018 10:45:10 Allen Miles via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug,  I had Septima for 24 years.  She has a winged keel.  Sails
>> really fast and high if you limit heel to 17-18 degrees and no more than 4
>> degrees rudder. I marked the leather wheel cover to indicate 4 degrees port
>> or starboard.  Helms person puts approprite mark TDC, tells main trimmer,
>> who is playing mainsail lateral position with the Harken windward car on
>> traveler mounted on bridge deck, how helm feels.  Too light, raise car, too
>> heavy, lower car an inch.  The keel's foils are very efficient at racing
>> speeds.  You don't want to stall them out.
>>
>> Allen Miles
>> former Aeronautical Engineer
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:11 AM Morgan Ellis via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Doug, I'm just finishing my second season with my 30-2 and absolutely
>>>> love it! Although I don't race mine it would make an excellent race boat
>>>> and could be sailed to her rating fairly easily. I do my racing on a
>>>> friend's J35, so I don't need to spend the extra for the fancy sails for my
>>>> own boat. I have heard of some 30-2's that are raced very successfully on
>>>> Lake Ontario. I put on over 600nm each year cruising on Lake Superior and
>>>> this boat does it all very well. I've crossed the lake each year heading
>>>> down to Bayfield, she handles the big water with ease, but does like to be
>>>> reefed fairly early. I'm not sure if I would want the wing keel version?
>>>> Being a racer at heart, I do like how she points and it is a relatively
>>>> tender boat compared to other C&C's, so I'm just not willing to give up the
>>>> performance edge for a few inches of draft. Feel free to contact me at
>>>> svmeand...@gmail.com if you want anymore feed back on the 30-2.
>>>
>>>
>>> As it's snowing here today I am going to haul out this afternoon :(
>>>
>>> Reagrds,
>>>
>>> Morgan Ellis
>>> SV Meandher 30-2 #140
>>> Thunder Bay, ON
>>>
>>>>
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Re: Stus-List Anyone racing C&C 30 MKII?

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Hi Doug,  I had Septima for 24 years.  She has a winged keel.  Sails really
fast and high if you limit heel to 17-18 degrees and no more than 4 degrees
rudder. I marked the leather wheel cover to indicate 4 degrees port or
starboard.  Helms person puts approprite mark TDC, tells main trimmer, who
is playing mainsail lateral position with the Harken windward car on
traveler mounted on bridge deck, how helm feels.  Too light, raise car, too
heavy, lower car an inch.  The keel's foils are very efficient at racing
speeds.  You don't want to stall them out.

Allen Miles
former Aeronautical Engineer

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:11 AM Morgan Ellis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Doug, I'm just finishing my second season with my 30-2 and absolutely
>> love it! Although I don't race mine it would make an excellent race boat
>> and could be sailed to her rating fairly easily. I do my racing on a
>> friend's J35, so I don't need to spend the extra for the fancy sails for my
>> own boat. I have heard of some 30-2's that are raced very successfully on
>> Lake Ontario. I put on over 600nm each year cruising on Lake Superior and
>> this boat does it all very well. I've crossed the lake each year heading
>> down to Bayfield, she handles the big water with ease, but does like to be
>> reefed fairly early. I'm not sure if I would want the wing keel version?
>> Being a racer at heart, I do like how she points and it is a relatively
>> tender boat compared to other C&C's, so I'm just not willing to give up the
>> performance edge for a few inches of draft. Feel free to contact me at
>> svmeand...@gmail.com if you want anymore feed back on the 30-2.
>
>
> As it's snowing here today I am going to haul out this afternoon :(
>
> Reagrds,
>
> Morgan Ellis
> SV Meandher 30-2 #140
> Thunder Bay, ON
>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Rob - C&C long time question

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Minor corrections: Septima 1990 30-2, hull 167, berthed Hampton VA, years
owned 24, address Hertford, NC, Yacht Club Hampton YC, years sailing 60

Great List, thanks

Allen Miles

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:08 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Being retired, and having a rainy day I put together a spread sheet
> (attached) from the replies to Jack's request.  Please let me know by
> email, if you want to be removed or want to make corrections to the
> list.  Rhis is a shorten list that does not include the second and third
> boats that folks have owned.
>
> I will send out an update as soon as the replies peter out.
>
> ps: What part of the C&C serial number is the hull number, the last
> three digits?
>
> Best regards,
> Don Kern
> Fireball - 12708
> 1974 C&C 35 Mk2
> Bristol, RI 02809
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Re: Stus-List years a C&C owner

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I've owned Septims for 24 years.

Allen Miles
C&C 30-2
Hampton, VA

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018, 6:45 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have owned Thirsty for eighteen years.  This is my third boat; first
> C&C. I have been sailing for fifty-two years, and racing for almost as
> long. I'm still racing at age seventy-nine.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:36 AM, Howard and Skippy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Al,
>> I have a question for the list.
>> How many of you have owned your current C&C yacht for 5 years or longer.
>>
>> I bought Knot Again in 1993 and have owned her for 25 years.
>> Howard Paul, 35-3
>>
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Slick Gary.  Nice straight forward design.  Think I'll try it myself.

Thanks for sharing

Allen Miles
Septima 30-2

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:20 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <
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>  A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail cleats.
> I was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail Cleat
> ,
> so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum Cleat
> .
> My solution looks like this
> 
> .
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> ~~~_/)~~
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Re: Stus-List Question about awlgrip hull pain

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Septum is 30-2 #167. She has a Universal 20 up diesel


On Sep 10, 2017 11:18 AM, "Chad Osmond via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> > Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of
> it's era made and it has a universal diesel.
>
> Check the hull number, it will be on the transom, and in the aft cabin
> beside the stove.
> The last few digits show the hull number, it'll be between 140?-175.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've come across this interesting 1990 c&c 30 mark ii but the hull has
>> been painted with awlgrip.
>>
>> http://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1990-c-c-fiberglass-30-62
>> 59222/#.WbMazdEpCfA
>>
>> From what I'm reading about thisnpaint looks good for a couple years but
>> then can be a real PITA and expensive long term. I searched the forum for
>> related posts but didn't find much. Thoughts on whether folks think it's a
>> really bad idea to have this paint on the hull?
>>
>> Apparently the broker thinks this is one of the last 30 mark iis of it's
>> era made and it has a universal diesel.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lisle
>>
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Re: Stus-List Outboard for sale

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Where are you Joe?

Allen Miles
Hertford, NC

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dang – forgot the price. $500
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:37 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Outboard for sale
>
>
>
> Before I put it on Craigslist, is anyone interested in a year 2000 6 HP 2
> stroke short shaft Johnson? The engine runs fine, but it was a little small
> for the Boston Whaler so I bought a 15 HP. Starts right up and only weighs
> around 60 pounds J
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Windlass placement

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Graham,

I'd like to see that install

Allen Miles
S/v Septima 30-2

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:42 PM, G Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Jacob
>
> Some of us have installed anchor windlasses in the anchor locker, if you
> like I can provide details.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2017-03-26 1:20 PM, jacob fuerst via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Currently I do not have a windlass on the boat. The anchor locker and lid
> takes up the entire bow beyond the vberth.
>
> In order to place the vertical rope to chain windlass on the deck requires
> placing it above the vberth and running a channel for the rode back into
> the locker. Additionally this would mean cutting into the liner inside.
>
> There are holes in the bulkhead where there appears to have been a shelf
> bolted inside the anchor locker but going only to that seems very weak. I'm
> thinking now of reinforcing the bulkhead and sort of glassing it into the
> sides and then bolting a frame to set the windlass on and it would be fully
> contained within the locker.
>
> Has anyone been through this or have suggestions or notes of caution?
>
> Jacob Fuerst
> '78 C&C 36
> Ventura, CA
> 303-520-4669 <(303)%20520-4669>
>
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Re: Stus-List Windlass placement

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I like the cleanliness of the installation, but is there a way to mount a
windlass that doesn't have the chain running over the locker and
effectively closing it off?  I normally store two anchor rodes in the
locker and want access to the second where the bottom dictates.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima 30-2
Hampton, VA

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 3:30 PM, David Blair via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Excellent pics and step by step. I am thinking through the same process
> for my 34+. When I reviewed the build file for my boat I found that C&C had
> put some sort of high strength synthetic reinforcement in place of the
> balsa for about a foot back of the hatch, so hopefully sealing core will
> not be required.  Thanks.  Ciao
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dreuge
> via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 12:32 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dreuge
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Windlass placement
>
>
>
> Sorry, here is the direct link:
>
>
>
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2016/08/windlass-installation.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
>
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 3:21 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:51:46 -0500
> From: Frederick G Street 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windlass placement
> Message-ID: <765d7fd3-fb2d-43db-8715-b4965e1d9...@postaudio.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Paul ? I?d like to see your install photos; but the link below doesn?t let
> me in.
>
> ? Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Windlass placement

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I too am considering adding a windlass to ease retrieving the heavier
anchor on my 30-2.  It appears to me that C&C used a standard forward
hatch/ chain locker assembly on their boats.  Am I correct in that
observation?  If so, is there also a windlass configuration where the
entire unit is mounted on the locker?

Allen
C&C 30-2
Septima

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:20 PM, jacob fuerst via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Currently I do not have a windlass on the boat. The anchor locker and lid
> takes up the entire bow beyond the vberth.
>
> In order to place the vertical rope to chain windlass on the deck requires
> placing it above the vberth and running a channel for the rode back into
> the locker. Additionally this would mean cutting into the liner inside.
>
> There are holes in the bulkhead where there appears to have been a shelf
> bolted inside the anchor locker but going only to that seems very weak. I'm
> thinking now of reinforcing the bulkhead and sort of glassing it into the
> sides and then bolting a frame to set the windlass on and it would be fully
> contained within the locker.
>
> Has anyone been through this or have suggestions or notes of caution?
>
> Jacob Fuerst
> '78 C&C 36
> Ventura, CA
> 303-520-4669 <(303)%20520-4669>
>
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Re: Stus-List Corrosion on Vang mounting tabs.

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh

Allen

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Oh yeah I forgot.  That pitting/flaking corrosion around fasteners is
> galvanic corrosion that occurs between the stainless steel fastener and the
> aluminum.  After the corrosion is removed and repainted, use tef-gel to
> help minimize moisture intrusion and prevent more corrosion.
>
> Josh
>
> On Nov 29, 2016 6:19 AM, "Allen Miles via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I just ordered a solid vang and noticed corrosion on the tabs on the boom
>> and at the base of the mast where the vang will be attached.  What's the
>> best way to resurface the tabs before mounting the vang?
>>
>>
>> Allen Miles
>> S/V Septima 30-2
>> Hampton, VA
>>
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Stus-List Corrosion on Vang mounting tabs.

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I just ordered a solid vang and noticed corrosion on the tabs on the boom
and at the base of the mast where the vang will be attached.  What's the
best way to resurface the tabs before mounting the vang?


Allen Miles
S/V Septima 30-2
Hampton, VA
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Re: Stus-List Subject: Re: 1991 C&C 51

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Spice it was.

Allen

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Dave via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Called 'spice' by any chance?  Owned by my uncle, charter-skippered by my
> cousin...  was never aboard unfortunately.
> Dave
>
>
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:55:59 -0500
> From: Allen Miles 
> To: CNC 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1991 C&C 51
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It is a beauty.  I was on a sister ship in Tortola BVI back in the 90s.
> Even more impressive on board.
>
> Allen Miles
> S/V Septima
> C&C twenty one feet shorter
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 1991 C&C 51

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

It is a beauty.  I was on a sister ship in Tortola BVI back in the 90s.
Even more impressive on board.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima
C&C twenty one feet shorter

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> wow!  thats quite a boat!  I could live on it!!  LOL  thanks for sharing!!
>
> On 11/16/2016 11:43 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I'm only 1 hour away.  I'd be happy to go look at it.  You know for anyone
> that is interested.
>
> On Nov 16, 2016 11:13 PM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I like to drool and dream.  Thought you might want to join me.
>>
>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1991/C%26C-51-2940801/Annapo
>> lis---Jabins/MD/United-States#.WCyPGneZNE4
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S /V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Fuel tanks

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Is your tank shaped to fit the hull (like on my 30-2) or just rectangular?
If is shaped to fit an overflow pan that follows the hull shape I have a
recommendation.

Allen Miles
Hampton, VA

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a leaky aluminum diesel tank on Penniless, my 30-1. I recall a
> thread about sources, but it like a bunch of other stuff went bye-bye when
> my hard drive failed.
>
>
>
> Any good sources?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill / midship cleat

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

We've been teaching this technique to all our America's Boating Course
(USPS) students for years.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima  30-2
Hampton, VA

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom & Graham, & all,
>
> Seems to me you don’t really need that clever midship cleat unless you are
> rafting up and not tying off on a shroud base.  We just drop a bowline over
> the winch, make a couple loops around the first dock cleat and the boat
> parallel parks beautifully.  if you have any kind of headwind or current
> leave the boat in gear or balance with power.  Check it out at the dock
> before you leave next time.  You will likely find the winch will hold your
> boat to the dock better than a midship line, plus it will allow you to stop
> the boat, before the bow hits the dock - if you get it secured to the first
> cleat. Hand holding the line, falling over kayaks on the dock, etc don’t
> work.
>
> One-line docking is so easy, you can walk around, fix a bow line, forward
> spring, stern line, whatever and then kill the engine.  I’m a broker,
> scared and respectful of others pricey boats, and often have to move boats
> that I really don’t know.  Docking with one line is such a good trick, I’m
> surprised they don’t teach it, I always do.
>
> Now spinning the unknown boat, backing into the slings, and then
> discovering they want you to remove the backstay and toping lift, to be
> able to haul the boat.  Well that’s another story. . .
>
> Cheers, Lee
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Graham
>
> Like this? http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-
> marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
> From: Graham Young 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this
> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was
> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.
> ?The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged
> base (if you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through
> the toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It
> seemed like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Choosing an anchor for a C&C 35 mkll

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

If one were to upgrade to a 33# Vulcan (30 foot boat), what would be a
suitable windlass to retrieve it while fitting in the std C&C anchor locker?

Allen Miles
S/v Septima   30-2
Hampton, VA

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Over the past 7 years working at and now managing a municipal marina along
> the ICW, I've gotten to know a lot of liveaboard cruising boaters. Most
> liveaboard spend most of their time at anchor, so setting and holding has a
> high priority. From what I have seen and heard from them, the order of
> preference and frequency of use of their anchors appears to be:
>
> Rocna
> Mantus (a less expensive Rocna)(One or the other of these two are
> probably on 40-50% of the boats. And I'm starting to see the versions of
> the Rocna (called a Vulcan) and Mantus anchors that do not have the "roll
> bar" across the top, because these versions work well on most bow rollers.)
> Spade and Bruce (or a Bruce knockoff like the Simpson Lawrence Claw) -
> these two are about even in frequency and are on maybe 25-30% of the boats
> Almost all of the other anchors I notice on cruising boats are some sort
> of plow type anchor
> The cruisers who have a Danforth type anchor (including Fortress and
> Guardian) aboard seem to view it as a lunch hook (or kedge anchor for
> getting unstuck if aground) and not a primary anchor. (I will say that I
> got the idea for carrying the Fortress FX23 I have aboard Imzadi for a
> lunch hook, and the FX37 I carry as a 3rd storm anchor, from some cruising
> friends of mine. The Fortress and Guardian anchors break down and store
> easily when not in use, and they are light to schlep around the boat when
> you do use them.)
>
> Danforth type anchors seem to be ubiquitous on smaller power boats (if
> they have an anchor at all), and on sailboats and larger power boats that
> spend their lives at marina docks.
>
> Most of the cruisers seem to favor big anchors. The rule taught me many
> years ago by an old USCG Mater Chief was 1 pound of anchor for every foot
> of boat and at least 1 foot of chain for every foot of boat. Most of the
> cruisers seem to follow that sort of norm, and I see a lot of even heavier
> anchors. A 40' trawler in the marina right now has a 25kg Rocna as a
> primary anchor.
>
> On another observation based on my experience: The anchorage area off the
> marina in Washington is soft mud running from about 6 to 16 feet deep, with
> reversing current in response to strong and/or changing winds. In 7 years
> the only boat than has never dragged is a 34 Hunter that uses a 15kg Rocna
> and 100 feet of chain (I asked). Virtually every boat that uses a Danforth
> has been in the weeds at least once (one of them went into the Highway
> Bridge 3 times before the owner wised up).
>
> Different anchors have different benefits. A Danforth is supposed to be
> good in sand and suck if there is shell, gravel or weed, for example. So I
> don't see that there is a WORST anchor. But my guess is that a Danforth is
> in the running for the title of LEAST RELIABLE anchor because it gets
> flipped out if your boat gets blown over the top of it by wind or current,
> and it doesn't want to reset. But it makes an good lunch hook if you are on
> the boat and awake.
>
>
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:53 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Christian Tirtirau 
> Subject: Stus-List Choosing an anchor for a C&C 35 mkll
>
> I second Dave’s view on the 3rd generation anchors. CQR is in fact the
> worst anchor ever made, that’s why they had to be heavily oversized to
> work. Delta is a 2nd generation anchor, good but not great.
> For such a critical piece of equipment the choice should be one of the 3rd
> gen anchors. Spade is the best anchor in the world, followed by Rocna and
> Mantus.
> The Spade is also the most expensive anchor in the world, so for most
> sailors it’s a toss between the next two in line.
> I have a Rocna 15 kg with 300 feet of 5/16 Acco chain and, consequently  I
> spend most of my time tending other people’s anchors and boats rather than
> mine. All that tackle is handled by me with the help of an electric Maxwell
> windlass.
>
> Chris
> C&C 37 Northern Light
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Re: Stus-List Shark River Inlet, NJ

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I agree with Andy.  I never entered Shark River because I didn't believe it
had the vertical clearance.  Used Manasquan many times paying heed to go in
on slack plus or minus and hour.  Never had a problem:  RR bridge is
normally open and road bridge, while excruciatingly slow, always answered
the call.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima  30-2
Bayville, NJ those days

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've never been in the Shark River. I've always used Manasquan because
> it's easier and safer. You're right about the currents, but they do run
> parallel to the docks there.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Wondering if anyone here has transited the Shark River Inlet in NJ
>> recently.  I'm planning to overnight there on a trip up the coast in a
>> couple weeks.
>>
>> Having transited the Manasquan inlet and river I know the currents rip
>> through there and can be absolutely terrifying... especially in a sailboat
>> when they're running full strength in a narrow channel and pushing you
>> towards a closed drawbridge - not that that happened to me...  ;)
>>
>> Anyone know if this is the case with Shark River?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan
>> 1976 30-1
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Re: Stus-List Next Week -- The C&C 2016 Northeast Rendezvous at the Mystic Seaport

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Sorry guys, I had really planned to attend from shore side to meet and put
faces on the names I read every day and to "visit the old neighborhood",
but my wife's surgery was more intensive that we thought it would be and
she'll be in recovery longer than we had planned.

Have a great Rendezvous.  We'll have to plan for next year.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima C&C 30-2
Hampton, VA


On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Just a reminder that, *next week* we will be having our fifth annual C&C
> Northeast Rendezvous at the beautiful and historic Mystic Seaport
> (September 10-12). Some highlights:
>
>
>- We are staying in the seaport. At night, all the guests leave and we
>have the place to ourselves (and the night watchmen.)
>- Free dockage on Sunday if you pay for a Saturday night stay.
>- Private tour of the seaport, including “exhibits that are not on
>exhibit”.
>- A C&C-only planetarium show.
>- Group dockside dinners, boat tours, annual whiskey sharing, late
>night revelry, flying Chinese lanterns, cigars, moderately foul language
>and all around silliness.
>
>
> Not to be missed — plan your trip now and register!
>
> See our Rendezvous Website at http://cncnortheast.com and our Rendezvous
> “Movie Trailer” at https://youtu.be/eKHpkatTwuk (Over 600 Views! — OK,
> Maybe not “Viral”, but we’ll take it.)
>
> Also see photos from last year’s Northeast Rendezvous (
> http://cncyachts.com/cncnerendezvous/) and our Facebook page (
> https://www.facebook.com/CcYachtsNortheastRendezvous/)
>
> See write-ups in Cruising World Magazine (http://www.cruisingworld.com/
> cc-rally-at-mystic-seaport) and WindCheck LIS (
> http://www.windcheckmagazine.com/letter_the_c_c_northeast_
> rendezvous_is_september_10_12_2016)
>
> Your hosts: Rob Gallagher (Hanuman; C&C 30 MkII), David Risch (Corsair;
> C&C 40), Edd Schillay (Starship Enterprise; C&C 37+) and Don Sweeney
> (Harbor Lights; C&C 36)
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Re: Stus-List Finally Won a Race

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Good Job, great post race analysis.  Now you've got the other guys
thinking

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:16 AM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I finally won a race tonight - the first time all season out of some 15
> races - so I thought I'd share what went right.  Finally beat the winning
> boats in the fleet - two Catalina 27s - boat-for-boat and I don't think
> they'll correct over me.
>
> 1. The wind was about perfect for the 30-1, blowing Beaufort 4 gusting
> Beaufort 5.  I was able to carry full main and 155% genoa without excessive
> weather helm, and I had six people on board so plenty of rail meat.
>
> 2. Had a good start at the committee boat end of the line on starboard
> tack.  A barger caused a logjam in front of me and I managed to duck under
> it all and crossed the line first.  Led the fleet to and around the
> windward mark with only two tacks upwind.  I had clean air and they
> couldn't close the gap.  Sail trim was good on both sails.
>
> 3. The Catalina 27s passed me downwind as did a Cal 22.  They went wing
> and wing the whole time, while I started out broad reaching and gybing to
> keep both sails hotter.  I eventually switched to wing and wing too, but
> couldn't retake them.  One of them had his genny poled out, and I didn't.
> They flew their sails better than me, but I tried to limit my losses.
>
> 4. When rounding the leeward mark I was able to cut inside and above the
> Cal 22 and one of the Catalina 27s, and retook them both on close reach to
> the offset mark.  Only one Catalina 27 remained ahead of me.
>
> 5. At the offset mark that leading Catalina 27 tacked, so I gambled and
> just hardened up to close-hauled.  That turned out to be a lucky move. I
> only had to tack once, several minutes later, to make the finish line.  I
> was able to point high enough to make the pin end on starboard tack and
> hold off the Catalina 27 who was finishing on port tack, but he wasn't
> close enough to make it an issue.  Fortunately for me he just sailed a
> longer / slower course after the offset mark, given the wind direction.
>
> I think the main reasons we won were a good start, and lucky gambling
> tactics around the leeward mark and after the offset mark.  This rarely or
> never happens for me, so I'm still trying to figure out why :)  The only
> thing I'd do differently is sail dead downwind wing and wing with my genny
> poled out, like the other guys, instead of trying to broad reach and gybe
> to the leeward mark.  Hopefully I can have as good of luck next week.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Cockpit Shower on 30 mkII

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I mounted a hot/cold shower on the outside of the starboard locker in place
of the ac receptacle which I moved to the starboard coaming where it's
easier to plug in the shore power cord.  It's out of the way under the helm
seat, but when you come back from a swim and climb the stern ladder it's
right at hand for a rinse off and the water just flows right out the
transom.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima  30-2
Hampton, VA

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 30 mkII owners...do you have a cockpit shower? I would like to put one in
> the aft cockpit locker on the stbd side (next to the helm seat). I am
> planning something on the cheaper side (white plastic RV type?), that I
> would mount inside the locker (I.e. not cut a hole in the fiberglass) and
> just open the locker to remove the sprayer when used.
>
> We have a 1+ year old with lots of sand play in our future. I am hoping to
> keep it out of the cabin!
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Tackled the problem differently on Septima.  I installed a fresh water
bladder tank to feed the head.  No smells from decaying whatever ( reason
the Admiral wanted fresh water feed), no chance for overflow on port tacks,
no sea water in the boat (that thru hull is closed all the time.  Use tank
to provide lateral trim.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima  30-2
Hampton, VA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with
> sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
> valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
> probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>
> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
> problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump
> assembly for $100.
>
> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>
> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> AZURA
>
> C&C 32 - 84
>
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Pedestal wiring

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I mounted my Ram mike on the stern push pit rail mid way between the ladder opening and the turn on the starboard side. It's easy to fish one wire from the stern locker through the tubing. It's attached to a small box structure that accepts its clip.  It's easy to access, listen to calls, and, being hand held, it's far enough from the helm to not impact the compass.Allen MilesS/V Septima  C&C 30-2Hampton, VA-Original Message-
From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Sent: Jun 28, 2016 9:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pedestal wiring






Paul,If your goal is to put the Ram mike close by at the helm, I’d advocate for a cockpit bulkhead mount rather than a helm mount.  The reason being is that inside every microphone/speaker happens to be an active magnet and the movement of that magnet tends to play havoc with compass headings.    Now you may be like the myriad of boaters that barely glance at the compass and rely on the GPS at the helm, but if you are a compass user, I would set up a deviation table for the boat once the Ram mike is in place. Be aware that it will change when the speaker or the microphone is active and if you happen to move the mike around when sailing.Chuck GilchrestS/V Half Magic1983 LF 35Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of paul.hood via CnC-ListSent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:03 AMTo: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: paul.hood Subject: Stus-List Pedestal wiring Im trying to send wiring (Transducer and vhf/power) to the Chart plotter and alao to a ram mike at the pedestal  Wire ends are factory and told by Standard Horizon not to cut.  They are 3/4" and 7/8" diameter each Pedestal Guard rail is barely 1" O.D.  I'm looking for recommendations. Do I1) make huge elongated holes in the pedestal guard and run wiring through guard into cockpit floor (7/8" head won't even fit the I.D. of guard)2) come up through pedestal instead and drill a hole in the backside of pedestal.  3) cut wire ends off and reconnect after bring them through a smaller hole on either the guard or pedestal   Paul Hood81 C&C34 

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Re: Stus-List Hamton Roads Racing Weeks

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Never raced Septima since we re-positioned her to Hampton.  She's really a 
cruiser racer, but well equipped for club racing.

I just received preliminary notice of the upcoming Southern Bay Race Week and 
Norfolk
Harborfest Challenge. What's involved in racing in cruising class and what sort 
of boats would we be facing?  What are the winds and tides like in these 
venues? She has a wing keel so her PRHF is somewhere in the 140s. Can we be 
competitive?

I'd have to assemble a crew.  Oh, and reread the rules.

Allen Miles
s/v Septima C&C 30-2
Hampton, VA
 

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Re: Stus-List 30 Mkii

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I echo Kevin's comments except I am 6'4" and 240 lbs, my admiral is 5'2" and the aft worked well for us on three week cruises.The vee berth was used by my 6"2" son and our guest used the starboard settee which is actually a nice sea berth with the back cushions removed.One time my other son tried to share the vee berth with a friend for the night:  in the morning the friend was sleeping in his car.  Nuff said.Great fast cruising boat.  You'll find yourself racing every sailboat in sight and beating most.Allen Miless/v Septima  30-2Hampton, VA-Original Message-
From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
Sent: Apr 27, 2015 3:57 AM
To: David Castor , cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Jim Reinardy 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 Mkii

I echo Jim's statement. Aft berth is about a queen wide and plenty long, I am 6' as well. The inboard vertical clearance is low, but manageable for us. We are mid 30s and spend equivalent of several weeks aboard every summer. Vee berth is not as comfortable as aft beth.  Kevin 30-2
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015, 7:50 PM David Castor via CnC-List  wrote:Jim,Thanks for the info.  I'm 6' as well.  So the aft berth would better suited for one person?  How is the leg room in the V-berth?   I don't plan to live aboard, but we'd be spending several weeks cruising each summer, hopefully.  Cheers,Dave CastorOn Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Jim Reinardy  wrote:Dave, I am 6 feet tall and my wife is about 5’ 7” and we use the aft berth and put our 9 year old daughter in the V.  The length is fine for us, the biggest issue is the height on the inboard side where the cockpit floor cuts in.  It makes that side somewhat confined, and difficult to get out of, especially when there are 2 of you.  I would not live aboard, but for a handful of nights each summer, it works fine for us.  Overall, we love our 30-2.  The amenities are wonderful for a 30 foot boat, and the cabin is very pleasant with ample headroom and plenty of light.  The boat sails well too. Regards, Jim ReinardyC&C 30-2 “Firewater”Milwaukee, WI  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Castor via CnC-ListSent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:29 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Stus-List 30 Mkii I'm back.  Last time I was looking at a couple of 35 Mkiii boats.  I'm still mulling over one of them.  But there is a 1988 C&C 30 Mkii available that is probably a better size for me.   Price is quite high due to a repowering in 2008.In looking at the layout, I'm curious about the aft berth - how usable is this?  Otherwise, the boat seems quite well laid out.  Appreciate any feedback on how they sail or things to watch out for.  Thanks,Dave
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 MK II

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Paul,

What questions do you have about the C&C 30-2?

Allen Miles
Septima C&C 30-2
Hampton, VA



-Original Message-
>From: Paul via CnC-List 
>Sent: Apr 24, 2015 8:48 AM
>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 MK II
>
>Folks I am looking for a fresh water boat to buy also interested in talking to 
>owners of Semi-Local or Gremellyn
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Just an observation and maybe not relevant for a C&C 35.I have a C&C 30-2 with a shoal keel, my close friend Richard Stoltenhoff had a sister ship SeaCure with the deep keel,  Both boats were race equipped white sail boats. I've sailed both boats and they were well matched in the winds we had on LI Sound.  When Richard moved south to the Albemarle Sound (20 foot average depth where we sail, but tight 6' entrance to the creek and docks), he had his keel shortened and a Mars Metal bulb applied. We raced his boat after my admiral decided she didn't want her boat dinged by "ignorant" racers. Although SeaCure remained fast and retained her stability with the bulb, we had great difficulty fetching marks.  She just wouldn't point as high as Septima and the extra tacks or overstands just killed us.After Septima was hit by a lightening strike, I had her short hauled and ironically she was placed adjacent to SeaCure on the hard.  I looked at both keel stubs and they seemed to my eye to be identical.  My lead keel portion however had significant additional longitudinal area.  His deep mounted bulb was offset by my wing and stability was very similar.  My lateral resistance though was much greater and we could climb our way to a mark without pinching.Allen Miless/v SeptimaHampton, VA-Original Message-
From: robertlmazza via CnC-List 
Sent: Apr 23, 2015 2:19 PM
To: Paul Baker , C&C Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 modified keel

Interestingly enough I've just written an article on Mars Metal for the next issue of Professiomal Boatbuilder Magazine. Their ability to provide not only a bolt on two piece bulb but the design service to recommend the weight of bulb to achieve the same sailing stability as the deep draft keel is discussed in the article. It has been a very successful program for the company.Rob MazzaSent from Samsung Mobile  Original message From: Paul Baker via CnC-List  Date:04-22-2015  11:56 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35 modified keel I'm sure you've all seen this, I often accidentally delete list emails without reading them, anyway, an interesting keel mod:http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/197361-c-c-35-mod-bulb-keel-effect.htmlCheers,PaulOrange Crush1974 27 MkIISidney, BC 		 	   		  


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Stus-List Crew duties during a race

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

I need some help here.  Our local sailing club on Albemarle Sound supports a low key racing program (no spin, but olympic triangle and hot dog course).   They are trying to increase the number of boats racing and that requires additional crew.  Remembering some great threads here on crew duties a year or two ago I volunteered to conduct some classroom  and on board sessions to bring new crew up to speed.  Unfortunately, I now can't find those threads. Can you direct me to where they're archived?Allen MilesS/V Septima  C&C 30-2Hampton, VA





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