Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The loops are double thick and then folded over so 4.  I wouldn't count on
them being 4x as strong but...

On Oct 31, 2016 4:57 PM, "Leslie Paal via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> it only doubles the fibers   ;-)
>
> Leslie.
>
> 
> On Thu, 10/27/16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Cc: "Josh Muckley" 
>  Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:47 PM
>
>  Funny you should mention
>  a midships cleat.  My wife has been begging me for a
>  midships cleat/solution of some sort.  I finally had some
>  time and made some amsteel loops that I luggage tagged onto
>  the toe rail at the midships position.  I tie my mooring
>  line to it with a sheet bend.  The amsteel is rated at
>  ~9000 pounds and the loop doubled over quadruples the number
>  of fibers carrying the load so I feel very confident that
>  the loop is not the weak point in the system.  When I'm
>  done using the loops  they just live there on the rail
>  until next time.
>  Josh
>  MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C
>  37+Solomons, MD
>
>  On Thu, Oct 27,
>  2016, 8:51 PM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  Mid ship cleat?
>  What's that?!!
>  You guys don't actually
>  sail C&Cs, do you?!!
>  (I use the primary winch as a
>  spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as
>  well for snugging up to the dock)
>  SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto
>
>
>  On
>  Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>  wrote:
>  “Short spring from amidships”
>  is more properly called a breast line. And that is ALWAYS
>  the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I
>  captain into a dock (or a slip). The
>  fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
>  you are a competent skipper, Joe.  I
>  am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch
>  the captains – even experienced captains of larger boats
>  – who just seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45
>  to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over. I’ve tried to explain the
>  process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers over
>  the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that
>  once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a piling),
>  you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and set
>  fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
>  the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any
>  combination of wind and current.  Rick Brass  From:
>  CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>  On Behalf Of Della
>  Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>  Sent: Thursday, October
>  27, 2016 4:52 PM
>  To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
>  
>  Cc: Della Barba, Joe
>  
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List
>  Boat Handling Skill Use
>  a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
>  forward or reverse as needed.  I
>  use this with great effect when parallel parking
>  singlehanded.JoeCoquina
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

it only doubles the fibers   ;-)

Leslie.


On Thu, 10/27/16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Josh Muckley" 
 Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:47 PM
 
 Funny you should mention
 a midships cleat.  My wife has been begging me for a
 midships cleat/solution of some sort.  I finally had some
 time and made some amsteel loops that I luggage tagged onto
 the toe rail at the midships position.  I tie my mooring
 line to it with a sheet bend.  The amsteel is rated at
 ~9000 pounds and the loop doubled over quadruples the number
 of fibers carrying the load so I feel very confident that
 the loop is not the weak point in the system.  When I'm
 done using the loops  they just live there on the rail
 until next time.
 Josh
 MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C&C
 37+Solomons, MD
 
 On Thu, Oct 27,
 2016, 8:51 PM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 Mid ship cleat?
 What's that?!!
 You guys don't actually
 sail C&Cs, do you?!!
 (I use the primary winch as a
 spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as
 well for snugging up to the dock)
 SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto
 
 
 On
 Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 “Short spring from amidships”
 is more properly called a breast line. And that is ALWAYS
 the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I
 captain into a dock (or a slip). The
 fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
 you are a competent skipper, Joe.  I
 am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch
 the captains – even experienced captains of larger boats
 – who just seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45
 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over. I’ve tried to explain the
 process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers over
 the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that
 once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a piling),
 you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and set
 fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
 the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any
 combination of wind and current.  Rick Brass  From:
 CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Della
 Barba, Joe via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, October
 27, 2016 4:52 PM
 To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
 
 Cc: Della Barba, Joe
 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List
 Boat Handling Skill Use
 a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
 forward or reverse as needed.  I
 use this with great effect when parallel parking
 singlehanded.JoeCoquina  
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I had a chance to see a Dock And Go system first hand aboard a friend's boat.  
We cruised 10 days thru Holland and docked in many different scenarios aboard a 
Beneteau Sense 55..  The owner was very technical and loved the system, though 
the bow thruster was sometimes underpowered in the conditions.  We had 20 to 
30+ knots every day I was there.  The controls seemed well thought out but the 
battery string was not, and some days we drained the batteries too low using 
electric winches sailing all day, for the navionics.  They've since separated 
the battery strings into engine start, house, and navionics so your chart 
plotter doesn't quit as you sail into a harbor entrance, when you need it most. 
 My skipper friend showed me a spring line docking technigues he employed 
because his fairway was only five feet wider than the length of his boat and 
they had a lot of strong cross winds to negotiate.  


One trick was to come into the fairway and lay the boat's stern quarter near 
enough to get a line around an downwind piling and winch the boat in tight and 
use the engine in reverse to power the whole boat so it lined up to back in to 
the slip, reverse while easing the line to the piling and enter the slip in 
control.   This can be done by one person, from the cockpit.  The Dock and Go 
worked well, but was just too risky in such a tight space with so many 
expensive neighboring vessels.  This technique works better for wider vessels, 
because of the longer lever, the thrust of the prop is further from the side of 
the boat/piling, the fulcrum point.   I saw another boater use this method to 
get his 41 into his slip when the tide was running a full ebb, sideways to his 
slip. 


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On October 27, 2016 at 10:35 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Several years ago, Beneteau announced that all of their boats over 47’ 
> could be equipped with an optional “Dock and Go” system, in which the primary 
> propulsion sail drive would be able to pivot and turn to allow joy stick 
> docking and close quarter maneuvering.  This was achieved through a 
> sophisticated computer system that adjusted prop drive angle to a joy stick 
> actuator, independent of the rudder.
> 
> 
> http://www.soundingsonline.com/news/dispatches/582-sept-15-2010/265542-beneteau-pioneers-joystick-docking
> 
> I saw it in action at the Annapolis Boat Show and it was quite 
> impressive, especially mated to a 50’ cruising sailboat with an enormous 
> beam.  Not long after the boat show debut,  several boats  equipped with the 
> system were reported to have reliability issues, most of which were 
> attributed to voltage drops computer issues and the company struggled to 
> support the owners having the new technology.  As a result, I haven’t heard 
> much to tout this steering augmentation in the last few years and perhaps it 
> has been dropped from the option list.
> 
>  
> 
> I know as a hands on boat owner who prefers to understand and 
> troubleshoot issues on my 33 year old cruiser,  I would be extremely bummed 
> out if a sail drive or any sort of prop could  potentially fail and  lock in 
> place while pointing 30-40 degrees off the centerline of the boat and have 
> the issue be a computer glitch.  Talk about “prop walk”!
> 
> Chuck Gilchrest
> 
> S/V Half Magic
> 
> 1983 Landfall 35
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
> 
>  
> 
> I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a 
> video game.
> 
>  
> 
> With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost 
> anywhere.  With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in 
> place.  You don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.
> 
>  
> 
> Joel
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship. 
> > 
> > Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
> > 
> > Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 
> > (https://mjmyachts.com/40z) was leaving a side to docking just in front of 
> > Touche'.  Being a helpful sort, I wandered up and asked if he needed help 
> > getting away from the pier.  With a wry smile, he graciously thanked me but 
> > declined.  He then finished untying and plac

Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Garry Cross via CnC-List]

Used to do it all the time.
Still do it but it is not as good as I am at different dock now.
Spring line attached midships long enough to reach rear cleat on the finger.
Mine is attached through the rail with a shackle. The line is attached to
the shackle with a spring hook for easy removal and replacement. At the
other end is a loop that can be hooked over the cleat on the dock. The loop
should be large enough that it easily falls over top of the cleat.
I leave it on the boat when leaving the dock. As you come in alongside the
finger have someone or yourself grab the line and hook it over the rear
cleat on the finger.
Obviously if doing it single handed you don't want to be moving to fast as
you have to leave the helm at the right moment to hook it.
Once on the spring line will stop the boat. Leave the boat idling in
forward with the rudder to port or starboard depending on which side the
dock is on. Sucks the boat right into the finger. Take your time with the
other lines.

The new location has a shorter finger and no horn cleat at the back.
Thankfully the place is well sheltered so wind is usually not too much of
an issue. Need help if it's windy until I can put a horn cleat at the back
of the finger.
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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have cleats on the forward end of my 1 1/4" track too.  The PO had one on and 
I got one for the other side. I use them all the time.

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/schaefer-marine-mid-rail-chock-and-cleat

I also use these along the rail for our fenders and forward to attach the 
preventer.

http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=27

Typoed from my iPhone

Tom Buscaglia
Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
O 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660
Skype - thombusc





Typoed from my iPhone

Tom Buscaglia
Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
O 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660
Skype - thombusc


On Oct 27, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Graham Young  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
> 
> Yes, that is a better solution.  Upon further review of a picture of the one 
> I saw on the S2 I referred to, it appeared to be a custom weld of a cleat 
> onto a metal base.
>  
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:23 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Graham
> 
> Like this? 
> http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
>> From: Graham Young 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
>> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was 
>> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's. ?The 
>> owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if 
>> you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the 
>> toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It seemed 
>> like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32
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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill / midship cleat

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

We've been teaching this technique to all our America's Boating Course
(USPS) students for years.

Allen Miles
S/V Septima  30-2
Hampton, VA

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom & Graham, & all,
>
> Seems to me you don’t really need that clever midship cleat unless you are
> rafting up and not tying off on a shroud base.  We just drop a bowline over
> the winch, make a couple loops around the first dock cleat and the boat
> parallel parks beautifully.  if you have any kind of headwind or current
> leave the boat in gear or balance with power.  Check it out at the dock
> before you leave next time.  You will likely find the winch will hold your
> boat to the dock better than a midship line, plus it will allow you to stop
> the boat, before the bow hits the dock - if you get it secured to the first
> cleat. Hand holding the line, falling over kayaks on the dock, etc don’t
> work.
>
> One-line docking is so easy, you can walk around, fix a bow line, forward
> spring, stern line, whatever and then kill the engine.  I’m a broker,
> scared and respectful of others pricey boats, and often have to move boats
> that I really don’t know.  Docking with one line is such a good trick, I’m
> surprised they don’t teach it, I always do.
>
> Now spinning the unknown boat, backing into the slings, and then
> discovering they want you to remove the backstay and toping lift, to be
> able to haul the boat.  Well that’s another story. . .
>
> Cheers, Lee
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Graham
>
> Like this? http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-
> marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
> From: Graham Young 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this
> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was
> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.
> ?The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged
> base (if you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through
> the toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It
> seemed like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Greg Sutherland via CnC-List]

Sent from my Samsung device over Bell's LTE network.


 Original message 
From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
Date: 10-28-2016 11:14 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

We have these on Perception our 33-II, and my sister on her 30. Would not be 
with out them.

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:26 PM
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To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Neil Gallagher mailto:njgallag...@optonline.net>>


http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck.  Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.  The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice 
solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C&C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via 
CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as 
well for snugging up to the dock)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via 
CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
"Short spring from amidships" is more properly called a breast line. And that 
is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72' schooner I captain into a 
dock (or a slip).

The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a 
competent skipper, Joe.

I am often amused - and occasionally terrified - to watch the captains - even 
experienced captains of larger boats - who just seem to insist on approaching 
the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over.

I've tried to explain the process to I-don't-know-how-many small boat skippers 
over the past 4 years, but they just don't seem to grasp that once the breast 
line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to pull the boat 
snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power 
against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination of 
wind and current.

Rick Brass


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- 
list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>' 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or 
reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina



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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[robert via CnC-List]

Neil:

Thank youthat's exactly what I was talking about that's on my boat 
but couldn't think of the exact name.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-10-27 10:25 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List wrote:

http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just 
this purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the 
deck.  Was recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a 
lot like C&C's.  The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a 
sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you can imagine it from that 
description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had never seen a 
cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C&C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works 
almost as well for snugging up to the dock)


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


“Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast
line. And that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’
schooner I captain into a dock (or a slip).
The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
you are a competent skipper, Joe.
I am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch the
captains – even experienced captains of larger boats – who just
seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and
then getting a bow line over.
I’ve tried to explain the process to I-don’t-know-how-many small
boat skippers over the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to
grasp that once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a
piling), you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and
set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination
of wind and current.
Rick Brass
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
*To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>'
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
    *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
forward or reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill / midship cleat

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Lee,
 I've been teaching that for years!  We call it the "Magic
Spring Line".

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom & Graham, & all,
>
> Seems to me you don’t really need that clever midship cleat unless you are
> rafting up and not tying off on a shroud base.  We just drop a bowline over
> the winch, make a couple loops around the first dock cleat and the boat
> parallel parks beautifully.  if you have any kind of headwind or current
> leave the boat in gear or balance with power.  Check it out at the dock
> before you leave next time.  You will likely find the winch will hold your
> boat to the dock better than a midship line, plus it will allow you to stop
> the boat, before the bow hits the dock - if you get it secured to the first
> cleat. Hand holding the line, falling over kayaks on the dock, etc don’t
> work.
>
> One-line docking is so easy, you can walk around, fix a bow line, forward
> spring, stern line, whatever and then kill the engine.  I’m a broker,
> scared and respectful of others pricey boats, and often have to move boats
> that I really don’t know.  Docking with one line is such a good trick, I’m
> surprised they don’t teach it, I always do.
>
> Now spinning the unknown boat, backing into the slings, and then
> discovering they want you to remove the backstay and toping lift, to be
> able to haul the boat.  Well that’s another story. . .
>
> Cheers, Lee
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Graham
>
> Like this? http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-
> marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
> From: Graham Young 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this
> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was
> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.
> ?The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged
> base (if you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through
> the toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It
> seemed like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We have these on Perception our 33-II, and my sister on her 30. Would not be 
with out them.

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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Neil Gallagher mailto:njgallag...@optonline.net>>


http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck.  Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.  The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice 
solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C&C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via 
CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as 
well for snugging up to the dock)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via 
CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
"Short spring from amidships" is more properly called a breast line. And that 
is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72' schooner I captain into a 
dock (or a slip).

The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a 
competent skipper, Joe.

I am often amused - and occasionally terrified - to watch the captains - even 
experienced captains of larger boats - who just seem to insist on approaching 
the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over.

I've tried to explain the process to I-don't-know-how-many small boat skippers 
over the past 4 years, but they just don't seem to grasp that once the breast 
line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to pull the boat 
snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power 
against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination of 
wind and current.

Rick Brass


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- 
list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>' 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or 
reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina



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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill / midship cleat

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Tom & Graham, & all,

Seems to me you don’t really need that clever midship cleat unless you are 
rafting up and not tying off on a shroud base.  We just drop a bowline over the 
winch, make a couple loops around the first dock cleat and the boat parallel 
parks beautifully.  if you have any kind of headwind or current leave the boat 
in gear or balance with power.  Check it out at the dock before you leave next 
time.  You will likely find the winch will hold your boat to the dock better 
than a midship line, plus it will allow you to stop the boat, before the bow 
hits the dock - if you get it secured to the first cleat. Hand holding the 
line, falling over kayaks on the dock, etc don’t work.

One-line docking is so easy, you can walk around, fix a bow line, forward 
spring, stern line, whatever and then kill the engine.  I’m a broker, scared 
and respectful of others pricey boats, and often have to move boats that I 
really don’t know.  Docking with one line is such a good trick, I’m surprised 
they don’t teach it, I always do.  

Now spinning the unknown boat, backing into the slings, and then discovering 
they want you to remove the backstay and toping lift, to be able to haul the 
boat.  Well that’s another story. . .  

Cheers, Lee


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Graham
> 
> Like this? 
> http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510 
> <http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510>
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
>> From: Graham Young > <mailto:grahamyoung...@sbcglobal.net>>
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>> Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
>> purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was 
>> recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's. ?The 
>> owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if 
>> you can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the 
>> toerail. ?Had never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It seemed 
>> like a nice solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32 
>> 
>>   
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Re: Stus-List Boat handling skill

[Graham Young via CnC-List]

Hi Tom,
Yes, that is a better solution.  Upon further review of a picture of the one I 
saw on the S2 I referred to, it appeared to be a custom weld of a cleat onto a 
metal base. Thanks,
Graham 

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:23 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Graham
Like this? 
http://www.fisheriessupply.com/johnson-marine-toe-rail-folding-cleat-48-510

Tom BuscagliaS/V Alera 1990 C&C 37+/40Vashon WAP 206.463.9200C 305.409.3660

On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:26 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:


Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:18:07 + (UTC)
From: Graham Young 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
Message-ID: <1892052474.252786.1477617487...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck. ?Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's. ?The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail. ?Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before. ?It seemed like a nice 
solution.?Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32 

  


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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree.But just like with Navigation, there are some great navigators, 
> but nearly everyone else relies on technology.
> 
> Here is a nice YouTube video showing some docking gymnastics via an Optimus 
> joystick controlled electronic helm:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oU26ALSLQw
> 
> 
> That said (and seen), I have been totally amazed by the skills of some of the 
> old salts in my area controlling their old wooden shrimp boats 
> as if they had some high fangled high tech gadgets.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:10 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Message-ID:
>>  
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.
>> 
>> Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Funny you should mention a midships cleat.  My wife has been begging me for
a midships cleat/solution of some sort.  I finally had some time and made
some amsteel loops that I luggage tagged onto the toe rail at the midships
position.  I tie my mooring line to it with a sheet bend.  The amsteel is
rated at ~9000 pounds and the loop doubled over quadruples the number of
fibers carrying the load so I feel very confident that the loop is not the
weak point in the system.  When I'm done using the loops  they just live
there on the rail until next time.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:51 PM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!
>
> You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!
>
> (I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works
> almost as well for snugging up to the dock)
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> “Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast line. And
> that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I captain
> into a dock (or a slip).
>
>
>
> The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a
> competent skipper, Joe.
>
>
>
> I am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch the captains –
> even experienced captains of larger boats – who just seem to insist on
> approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line
> over.
>
>
>
> I’ve tried to explain the process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat
> skippers over the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that once
> the breast line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to
> pull the boat snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the
> boat, and power against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against
> any combination of wind and current.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>
>
>
> Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward
> or reverse as needed.
>
> I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

I tie the fore and aft spring lines to a shackle through the toe rail at
midship.


On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa  wrote:

Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost
as well for snugging up to the dock)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Graham Young via CnC-List]

Yep, that is the same concept.  The one I saw looked like a typical solid horn 
cleat except for the unusual base that allowed it to be attached to the toe 
rail.
Perhaps this will start a trend of C&C's having mid-ship cleats such that it 
will no longer be a surprise  GrahamS/V Spellbound 

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:26 PM, Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23
 
 This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.
 
 Neil Gallagher
 Weatherly, 35-1
 Glen Cove, NY
 
 
 On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
  
  I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck.  Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.  The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice 
solution.   Graham Young S/V Spellbound 1981 C&C 32 
 
  On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  
 
Mid ship cleat? What's that?!! 
  You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!! 
  (I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost 
as well for snugging up to the dock) 
  Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto 
  

 On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
“Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast line. And  
that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I captain into 
a dock (or a slip).   The fact that you know and use the process indicates to 
me that you are a  competent skipper, Joe.    I am often amused – and 
occasionally terrified – to watch the captains – even  experienced captains of 
larger boats – who just seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45 to 90  
degrees, and then getting a bow line over.   I’ve tried to explain the process 
to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers over the past 4 years, but they 
just don’t seem to grasp that once the breast line is attached to  the dock (or 
a piling), you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and set fore and 
aft springs to position the boat, and power against the springs to pull the bow 
and  stern in against any combination of wind and current.    Rick Brass       
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
 To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
 Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill     Use a short spring from 
amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or  reverse as needed.    I 
use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded. Joe Coquina      
  
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

http://www.csjohnson.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23

This conversation got me thinking the same thing, I need one of these.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/27/2016 9:18 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List wrote:
I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just 
this purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the 
deck.  Was recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot 
like C&C's.  The owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, 
U-shaped flanged base (if you can imagine it from that description) 
that was bolted through the toerail.  Had never seen a cleat with that 
kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice solution.

Graham Young
S/V Spellbound
1981 C&C 32


On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works 
almost as well for snugging up to the dock)


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


"Short spring from amidships" is more properly called a breast
line. And that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72'
schooner I captain into a dock (or a slip).
The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that
you are a competent skipper, Joe.
I am often amused -- and occasionally terrified -- to watch the
captains -- even experienced captains of larger boats -- who just
seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and
then getting a bow line over.
I've tried to explain the process to I-don't-know-how-many small
boat skippers over the past 4 years, but they just don't seem to
grasp that once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a
piling), you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and
set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power against
the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination
of wind and current.
Rick Brass
*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Della
Barba, Joe via CnC-List
*Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
*To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>'
    mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Cc:* Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with
forward or reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Graham Young via CnC-List]

I was recently thinking of adding a mid-ship cleat to my C&C for just this 
purpose, but did not like the idea of putting it through the deck.  Was 
recently aboard an old S2 that has a slotted toe rail a lot like C&C's.  The 
owner had added a mid-ship cleat with a sideways, U-shaped flanged base (if you 
can imagine it from that description) that was bolted through the toerail.  Had 
never seen a cleat with that kind of base before.  It seemed like a nice 
solution. Graham YoungS/V Spellbound1981 C&C 32 

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:51 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!
You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!
(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost as 
well for snugging up to the dock)
SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
 wrote:

“Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast line. And that 
is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I captain into a 
dock (or a slip). The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me 
that you are a competent skipper, Joe.  I am often amused – and occasionally 
terrified – to watch the captains – even experienced captains of larger boats – 
who just seem to insist on approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then 
getting a bow line over. I’ve tried to explain the process to 
I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers over the past 4 years, but they just 
don’t seem to grasp that once the breast line is attached to the dock (or a 
piling), you can use power to pull the boat snug to the dock and set fore and 
aft springs to position the boat, and power against the springs to pull the bow 
and stern in against any combination of wind and current.  Rick Brass  From: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill Use a short spring from amidships. 
You can hold the boat on with forward or reverse as needed.  I use this with 
great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.JoeCoquina  
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Mid ship cleat? What's that?!!

You guys don't actually sail C&Cs, do you?!!

(I use the primary winch as a spring. Not quite "mid ship" but works almost
as well for snugging up to the dock)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> “Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast line. And
> that is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I captain
> into a dock (or a slip).
>
>
>
> The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a
> competent skipper, Joe.
>
>
>
> I am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch the captains –
> even experienced captains of larger boats – who just seem to insist on
> approaching the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line
> over.
>
>
>
> I’ve tried to explain the process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat
> skippers over the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that once
> the breast line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to
> pull the boat snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the
> boat, and power against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against
> any combination of wind and current.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
> *To:* 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
> *Cc:* Della Barba, Joe 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>
>
>
> Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward
> or reverse as needed.
>
> I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

“Short spring from amidships” is more properly called a breast line. And that 
is ALWAYS the first line over when I bring the 72’ schooner I captain into a 
dock (or a slip).

 

The fact that you know and use the process indicates to me that you are a 
competent skipper, Joe. 

 

I am often amused – and occasionally terrified – to watch the captains – even 
experienced captains of larger boats – who just seem to insist on approaching 
the dock from 45 to 90 degrees, and then getting a bow line over.

 

I’ve tried to explain the process to I-don’t-know-how-many small boat skippers 
over the past 4 years, but they just don’t seem to grasp that once the breast 
line is attached to the dock (or a piling), you can use power to pull the boat 
snug to the dock and set fore and aft springs to position the boat, and power 
against the springs to pull the bow and stern in against any combination of 
wind and current. 

 

Rick Brass

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:52 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

 

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or 
reverse as needed.  

I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.

Joe

Coquina

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

Hi Jeremy,

I haven't had any problems when there's no wind (knock on wood), but
crosswinds definitely make it a tough go. On my last sail of the season
this year, I came into my side of a double slip single handed with a strong
crosswind blowing me off.  Just missed my window for a safe step off
mid-ship and nearly took out the electrical box at the bow, but fortunately
just glanced it.  I understand your reluctance to try again, but as they
say, practice will make perfect.  I managed to pull myself back over with
my boat hook, so I recommend always keeping it handy when single handing.
No damage to any property, but my pride was pretty shot.

In my opinion, the key is to get the mid-ship cleat attached first because
it mitigates both bow and stern swing, and I've seen guys do it from the
midship with a boat hook without even stepping off. I believe you can also
turn the wheel/tiller hard steering toward the dock and put the boat in
very gentle forward, but I would try it with extra crew first.

Best Regards,

Gene
 "Hawk"
C&C 29-2

Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:14:15 -0700
> From: Jeremy Ralph 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Had the pleasure of trying to single handedly dock in a strong wind this
> summer.  Tried to dock bow in starboard side and the wind kept blowing the
> bow off.  Oh, I'll back in I thought since the prop walk will pull me to
> port against the dock... The prop walk, wind, ferry wash and current made
> me do a full 360 before the rudder would bite in reverse.  Amazingly I
> didn't hit anything. I've been afraid to single hand ever since.
>
> I'm looking into using a spring line and keeping the engine in gear to keep
> the bow from blowing off.  Need to practice that technique.  Any comments
> on spring line docking techniques?
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Use a short spring from amidships. You can hold the boat on with forward or 
reverse as needed.
I use this with great effect when parallel parking singlehanded.
Joe
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 4:42 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill


Spring lines are awesome!  First on and last off.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 27, 2016 4:15 PM, "Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Had the pleasure of trying to single handedly dock in a strong wind this 
summer.  Tried to dock bow in starboard side and the wind kept blowing the bow 
off.  Oh, I'll back in I thought since the prop walk will pull me to port 
against the dock... The prop walk, wind, ferry wash and current made me do a 
full 360 before the rudder would bite in reverse.  Amazingly I didn't hit 
anything. I've been afraid to single hand ever since.

I'm looking into using a spring line and keeping the engine in gear to keep the 
bow from blowing off.  Need to practice that technique.  Any comments on spring 
line docking techniques?



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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Spring lines are awesome!  First on and last off.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 27, 2016 4:15 PM, "Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Had the pleasure of trying to single handedly dock in a strong wind this
summer.  Tried to dock bow in starboard side and the wind kept blowing the
bow off.  Oh, I'll back in I thought since the prop walk will pull me to
port against the dock... The prop walk, wind, ferry wash and current made
me do a full 360 before the rudder would bite in reverse.  Amazingly I
didn't hit anything. I've been afraid to single hand ever since.

I'm looking into using a spring line and keeping the engine in gear to keep
the bow from blowing off.  Need to practice that technique.  Any comments
on spring line docking techniques?



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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

Had the pleasure of trying to single handedly dock in a strong wind this
summer.  Tried to dock bow in starboard side and the wind kept blowing the
bow off.  Oh, I'll back in I thought since the prop walk will pull me to
port against the dock... The prop walk, wind, ferry wash and current made
me do a full 360 before the rudder would bite in reverse.  Amazingly I
didn't hit anything. I've been afraid to single hand ever since.

I'm looking into using a spring line and keeping the engine in gear to keep
the bow from blowing off.  Need to practice that technique.  Any comments
on spring line docking techniques?
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 Then there's the "people watching rule"...which is; "the amount of difficulty 
encountered in a given maneuver is directly proportional to the number of 
people watching"... Ditto on the "throttle spin"...last Sunday I had to do it 
twice in the channel of our marina with people watching!

 


Richard
S/V Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37, CB; Ohio River, Mile 596.5 


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2016 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill



No love for the backing turn? I'm far from a salty boat handling guy but I can 
turn Suhana in her boat length with no way on. I thought this was common 
practise. Lots of prop walk. No need to turn the wheel at all. All done with 
the throttle. I'm a big fan.


Now, boat handling in tight conditions with the wind up - different story, not 
nearly as brave am I.


Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto





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[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

No love for the backing turn? I'm far from a salty boat handling guy but I
can turn Suhana in her boat length with no way on. I thought this was
common practise. Lots of prop walk. No need to turn the wheel at all. All
done with the throttle. I'm a big fan.

Now, boat handling in tight conditions with the wind up - different story,
not nearly as brave am I.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> One of my local redneck friends says the 10oz beers are easier to do the
> maths with!
>
> Josh
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 11:49 AM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There’s money to be made and lots of 10oz Buds to drink. (10 oz Buds for
>>> those of you not on the Chesapeake, are sold here (I think only) – don’t
>>> ask why, but they are popular)…
>>
>>
>>
>> 10 oz and even 7 oz can drinks are popular in hot climates.  If you don't
>> drink a 12 oz quickly enough the last 2 ounces is hot and not particularly
>> refreshing.  Hence the smaller cans.
>>
>> Dennis C.
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[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I especially noticed the name of the boat "Hard to Handle".  Amazing crew
work.

Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> Here's a video of the boat docking contest in Solomons 2015.  I posted it
> earlier and jokingly said it was Dennis expertly handling his boat.
>
> https://youtu.be/rOCk8V0uee8
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 10:20 AM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Around here (mid-Chesapeake) we have a number of festivals featuring
>> watermen handling their work boats in docking contests. To watch these guys
>> spin and back  40+ foot single screw boats should humiliate all of us…..
>> they are impressive, even the teenagers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
>> Aronson via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a
>> video game.
>>
>>
>>
>> With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost
>> anywhere.  With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in
>> place.  You don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.
>>
>> Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
>>
>> Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z)
>> was leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful
>> sort, I wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the
>> pier.  With a wry smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then
>> finished untying and placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of
>> slight control moves, the MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He
>> explained that not only was the boat equipped with a bow thruster but also
>> pod drives.
>>
>> From the MJM website:
>>
>> "
>>
>> *Joystick Computerized Control*The primary design goal for the 40z was
>> to create a 40 foot powerboat that would handle like a 30-footer at idle
>> speeds in tricky docking situations. The new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar
>> joystick control technology makes this goal a reality. The IPS system works
>> with twin pod drives under the hull and the Yanmar with twin sterndrives.
>> When conventional twin-engine controls are in neutral, a single joystick
>> takes over with fingertip control. There are no thrusters. Through a unique
>> computer program, each drive unit is independently operated in terms of
>> direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system works far more
>> intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or joystick/thruster
>> operated jet drives."
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert  wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a
>> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is
>> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use
>> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly
>> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a
>> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against
>> the bulkhead and keep it there with a bit of reverse. "
>>
>>
>> Dennis:
>>
>> The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a
>> narrow fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it
>> around 180 degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a
>> stationary position..he was on the fly bridge.
>>
>> I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One
>> member responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .
>>
>> I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters

Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Handling a twin screw fishing boat is easy as can be. I hardly even touch the 
rudders at low speeds.
OTOH those giant "motoryacht" things with a 3 story condo on top and 4 foot 
draft are a huge PITA. Dinner plate rudders, as much sail area as a #3 genoa, 
no keel, and V-12 diesels that want to go 6 knots at idle make for a stressful 
day when the wind is gusting to 30.
Joe
Coquina

BTW - I would NOT have one of the recreational "DPS lite" systems unless it 
comes with an engineer to fix it like the big versions have

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rodney 
Meryweather via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:38 AM
To: robert
Cc: Rodney Meryweather; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Growing up on the Sea Coast of Maine I saw this on a regular basis. During my 
stint in the Military I was the Craftmaster of a 100 vessel with twin screws. 
The twin screws make all the difference of laying a vessel up along side or 
into a narrow berth if you know what you are doing. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 09:05, robert  wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a 
>> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is 
>> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use 
>> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly 
>> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a 
>> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against 
>> the bulkhead and keep it there with a bit of reverse. "
> 
> Dennis:
> 
> The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a narrow 
> fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it around 180 
> degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a stationary 
> position..he was on the fly bridge.
> 
> I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member 
> responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .
> 
> I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that is 
> what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32- 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Gary,

Here's a video of the boat docking contest in Solomons 2015.  I posted it
earlier and jokingly said it was Dennis expertly handling his boat.

https://youtu.be/rOCk8V0uee8

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 27, 2016 10:20 AM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Around here (mid-Chesapeake) we have a number of festivals featuring
> watermen handling their work boats in docking contests. To watch these guys
> spin and back  40+ foot single screw boats should humiliate all of us…..
> they are impressive, even the teenagers.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>
>
>
> I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a
> video game.
>
>
>
> With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost
> anywhere.  With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in
> place.  You don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.
>
> Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
>
> Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z)
> was leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful
> sort, I wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the
> pier.  With a wry smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then
> finished untying and placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of
> slight control moves, the MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He
> explained that not only was the boat equipped with a bow thruster but also
> pod drives.
>
> From the MJM website:
>
> "
>
> *Joystick Computerized Control*The primary design goal for the 40z was to
> create a 40 foot powerboat that would handle like a 30-footer at idle
> speeds in tricky docking situations. The new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar
> joystick control technology makes this goal a reality. The IPS system works
> with twin pod drives under the hull and the Yanmar with twin sterndrives.
> When conventional twin-engine controls are in neutral, a single joystick
> takes over with fingertip control. There are no thrusters. Through a unique
> computer program, each drive unit is independently operated in terms of
> direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system works far more
> intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or joystick/thruster
> operated jet drives."
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert  wrote:
>
> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>
> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a
> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is
> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use
> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly
> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a
> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against
> the bulkhead and keep it there with a bit of reverse. "
>
>
> Dennis:
>
> The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a
> narrow fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it
> around 180 degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a
> stationary position..he was on the fly bridge.
>
> I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member
> responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .
>
> I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that
> is what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32- 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

One of my local redneck friends says the 10oz beers are easier to do the
maths with!

Josh

On Oct 27, 2016 11:49 AM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> There’s money to be made and lots of 10oz Buds to drink. (10 oz Buds for
>> those of you not on the Chesapeake, are sold here (I think only) – don’t
>> ask why, but they are popular)…
>
>
>
> 10 oz and even 7 oz can drinks are popular in hot climates.  If you don't
> drink a 12 oz quickly enough the last 2 ounces is hot and not particularly
> refreshing.  Hence the smaller cans.
>
> Dennis C.
>
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Handling a twin screw fishing boat is easy as can be. I hardly even touch
> the rudders at low speeds.
> OTOH those giant "motoryacht" things with a 3 story condo on top and 4
> foot draft are a huge PITA. Dinner plate rudders, as much sail area as a #3
> genoa, no keel, and V-12 diesels that want to go 6 knots at idle make for a
> stressful day when the wind is gusting to 30.
> Joe
> Coquina
>
> BTW - I would NOT have one of the recreational "DPS lite" systems unless
> it comes with an engineer to fix it like the big versions have
>


I used to drive this thing:  

Touche' is a lot more fun.  :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> There’s money to be made and lots of 10oz Buds to drink. (10 oz Buds for
> those of you not on the Chesapeake, are sold here (I think only) – don’t
> ask why, but they are popular)…



10 oz and even 7 oz can drinks are popular in hot climates.  If you don't
drink a 12 oz quickly enough the last 2 ounces is hot and not particularly
refreshing.  Hence the smaller cans.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I think those guys spend the summer going to the contests – saw some familiar 
boats between Solomons and St. Michaels. There’s money to be made and lots of 
10oz Buds to drink. (10 oz Buds for those of you not on the Chesapeake, are 
sold here (I think only) – don’t ask why, but they are popular)…

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:42 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

 

Gary,

Here's a video of the boat docking contest in Solomons 2015.  I posted it 
earlier and jokingly said it was Dennis expertly handling his boat. 

https://youtu.be/rOCk8V0uee8

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

 

On Oct 27, 2016 10:20 AM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Around here (mid-Chesapeake) we have a number of festivals featuring watermen 
handling their work boats in docking contests. To watch these guys spin and 
back  40+ foot single screw boats should humiliate all of us….. they are 
impressive, even the teenagers.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

 

I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a video 
game.

 

With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost anywhere. 
 With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in place.  You 
don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.  

Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.

Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z) was 
leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful sort, I 
wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the pier.  With a wry 
smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then finished untying and 
placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of slight control moves, the 
MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He explained that not only was the boat 
equipped with a bow thruster but also pod drives.  

>From the MJM website:

"Joystick Computerized Control

The primary design goal for the 40z was to create a 40 foot powerboat that 
would handle like a 30-footer at idle speeds in tricky docking situations. The 
new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar joystick control technology makes this goal a 
reality. The IPS system works with twin pod drives under the hull and the 
Yanmar with twin sterndrives. When conventional twin-engine controls are in 
neutral, a single joystick takes over with fingertip control. There are no 
thrusters. Through a unique computer program, each drive unit is independently 
operated in terms of direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system 
works far more intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or 
joystick/thruster operated jet drives."

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:

On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

"On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a couple 
of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is phenomenal.  They 
come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use the two engines to 
spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly down the fairway in what 
seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a gnat's whisker of the 
bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against the bulkhead and keep it 
there with a bit of reverse. "


Dennis:

The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a narrow 
fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it around 180 
degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a stationary 
position..he was on the fly bridge.

I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member 
responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .

I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that is 
what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

 


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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I agree.But just like with Navigation, there are some great navigators, but 
nearly everyone else relies on technology.

Here is a nice YouTube video showing some docking gymnastics via an Optimus 
joystick controlled electronic helm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oU26ALSLQw 



That said (and seen), I have been totally amazed by the skills of some of the 
old salts in my area controlling their old wooden shrimp boats 
as if they had some high fangled high tech gadgets.



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:10 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message-ID:
>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.
> 
> Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The rules of the docking contest change but typically its solo or pairs.
The video is a solo.  There's always a second "safety watch" on board but
to win they can't participate.

Josh

On Oct 27, 2016 10:55 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I especially noticed the name of the boat "Hard to Handle".  Amazing crew
> work.
>
> Gary
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Here's a video of the boat docking contest in Solomons 2015.  I posted it
>> earlier and jokingly said it was Dennis expertly handling his boat.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/rOCk8V0uee8
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2016 10:20 AM, "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Around here (mid-Chesapeake) we have a number of festivals featuring
>>> watermen handling their work boats in docking contests. To watch these guys
>>> spin and back  40+ foot single screw boats should humiliate all of us…..
>>> they are impressive, even the teenagers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
>>> Aronson via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like
>>> a video game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost
>>> anywhere.  With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in
>>> place.  You don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.
>>>
>>> Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
>>>
>>> Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z)
>>> was leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful
>>> sort, I wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the
>>> pier.  With a wry smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then
>>> finished untying and placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of
>>> slight control moves, the MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He
>>> explained that not only was the boat equipped with a bow thruster but also
>>> pod drives.
>>>
>>> From the MJM website:
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> *Joystick Computerized Control*The primary design goal for the 40z was
>>> to create a 40 foot powerboat that would handle like a 30-footer at idle
>>> speeds in tricky docking situations. The new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar
>>> joystick control technology makes this goal a reality. The IPS system works
>>> with twin pod drives under the hull and the Yanmar with twin sterndrives.
>>> When conventional twin-engine controls are in neutral, a single joystick
>>> takes over with fingertip control. There are no thrusters. Through a unique
>>> computer program, each drive unit is independently operated in terms of
>>> direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system works far more
>>> intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or joystick/thruster
>>> operated jet drives."
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>>>
>>> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a
>>> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is
>>> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use
>>> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly
>>> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a
>>> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against
>>> the bu

Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Rodney Meryweather via CnC-List]

Growing up on the Sea Coast of Maine I saw this on a regular basis. During my 
stint in the Military I was the Craftmaster of a 100 vessel with twin screws. 
The twin screws make all the difference of laying a vessel up along side or 
into a narrow berth if you know what you are doing. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 09:05, robert  wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a 
>> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is 
>> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use 
>> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly 
>> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a 
>> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against 
>> the bulkhead and keep it there with a bit of reverse. "
> 
> Dennis:
> 
> The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a narrow 
> fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it around 180 
> degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a stationary 
> position..he was on the fly bridge.
> 
> I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member 
> responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .
> 
> I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that is 
> what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32- 84
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Several years ago, Beneteau announced that all of their boats over 47’ could be 
equipped with an optional “Dock and Go” system, in which the primary propulsion 
sail drive would be able to pivot and turn to allow joy stick docking and close 
quarter maneuvering.  This was achieved through a sophisticated computer system 
that adjusted prop drive angle to a joy stick actuator, independent of the 
rudder.

http://www.soundingsonline.com/news/dispatches/582-sept-15-2010/265542-beneteau-pioneers-joystick-docking

I saw it in action at the Annapolis Boat Show and it was quite impressive, 
especially mated to a 50’ cruising sailboat with an enormous beam.  Not long 
after the boat show debut,  several boats  equipped with the system were 
reported to have reliability issues, most of which were attributed to voltage 
drops computer issues and the company struggled to support the owners having 
the new technology.  As a result, I haven’t heard much to tout this steering 
augmentation in the last few years and perhaps it has been dropped from the 
option list. 

 

I know as a hands on boat owner who prefers to understand and troubleshoot 
issues on my 33 year old cruiser,  I would be extremely bummed out if a sail 
drive or any sort of prop could  potentially fail and  lock in place while 
pointing 30-40 degrees off the centerline of the boat and have the issue be a 
computer glitch.  Talk about “prop walk”!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

 

I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a video 
game.

 

With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost anywhere. 
 With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in place.  You 
don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.  

Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.

Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z) was 
leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful sort, I 
wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the pier.  With a wry 
smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then finished untying and 
placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of slight control moves, the 
MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He explained that not only was the boat 
equipped with a bow thruster but also pod drives.  

>From the MJM website:

"Joystick Computerized Control

The primary design goal for the 40z was to create a 40 foot powerboat that 
would handle like a 30-footer at idle speeds in tricky docking situations. The 
new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar joystick control technology makes this goal a 
reality. The IPS system works with twin pod drives under the hull and the 
Yanmar with twin sterndrives. When conventional twin-engine controls are in 
neutral, a single joystick takes over with fingertip control. There are no 
thrusters. Through a unique computer program, each drive unit is independently 
operated in terms of direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system 
works far more intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or 
joystick/thruster operated jet drives."

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:

On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

"On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a couple 
of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is phenomenal.  They 
come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use the two engines to 
spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly down the fairway in what 
seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a gnat's whisker of the 
bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against the bulkhead and keep it 
there with a bit of reverse. "


Dennis:

The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a narrow 
fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it around 180 
degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a stationary 
position..he was on the fly bridge.

I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member 
responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .

I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that is 
what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

 


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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I taught my mother to spin Coquina around in a few feet more than a boat length 
before she took the boat with her friends to go someplace for the day. She 
thought I was being quite excessive in “training”, but the marina they went to 
sent them down a very narrow fairway and then decided it was the wrong one. The 
lesson actually came in handy ☺
To do this, assuming the stern goes to port in reverse, do the following:

1.  Start on the port side with some way on – maybe 2 knots or so.

2.  Turn hard starboard and simultaneously hit full reverse.

3.  The boat will turn hard starboard at first, but as way comes off the 
rudder loses effect.

4.  For maximum turning, switch to full port rudder as the boat moves back 
a few feet, then hard startboard, kick in full forward a bit, and then go back 
to #2.



I can turn around in a fairway barely wider than the boat is long this way.



Joe

Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

Around here (mid-Chesapeake) we have a number of festivals featuring watermen 
handling their work boats in docking contests. To watch these guys spin and 
back  40+ foot single screw boats should humiliate all of us….. they are 
impressive, even the teenagers.

Gary

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a video 
game.

With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost anywhere. 
 With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in place.  You 
don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.

Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z) was 
leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful sort, I 
wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the pier.  With a wry 
smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then finished untying and 
placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of slight control moves, the 
MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He explained that not only was the boat 
equipped with a bow thruster but also pod drives.
From the MJM website:

"Joystick Computerized Control

The primary design goal for the 40z was to create a 40 foot powerboat that 
would handle like a 30-footer at idle speeds in tricky docking situations. The 
new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar joystick control technology makes this goal a 
reality. The IPS system works with twin pod drives under the hull and the 
Yanmar with twin sterndrives. When conventional twin-engine controls are in 
neutral, a single joystick takes over with fingertip control. There are no 
thrusters. Through a unique computer program, each drive unit is independently 
operated in terms of direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system 
works far more intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or 
joystick/thruster operated jet drives."
Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert 
mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:
On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
"On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a couple 
of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is phenomenal.  They 
come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use the two engines to 
spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly down the fairway in what 
seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a gnat's whisker of the 
bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against the bulkhead and keep it 
there with a bit of reverse. "

Dennis:

The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a narrow 
fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it around 180 
degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a stationary 
position..he was on the fly bridge.

I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member 
responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .

I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that is 
what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Around here (mid-Chesapeake) we have a number of festivals featuring watermen 
handling their work boats in docking contests. To watch these guys spin and 
back  40+ foot single screw boats should humiliate all of us….. they are 
impressive, even the teenagers.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:50 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

 

I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a video 
game.

 

With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost anywhere. 
 With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in place.  You 
don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.  

Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.

Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z) was 
leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful sort, I 
wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the pier.  With a wry 
smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then finished untying and 
placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of slight control moves, the 
MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He explained that not only was the boat 
equipped with a bow thruster but also pod drives.  

>From the MJM website:

"Joystick Computerized Control

The primary design goal for the 40z was to create a 40 foot powerboat that 
would handle like a 30-footer at idle speeds in tricky docking situations. The 
new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar joystick control technology makes this goal a 
reality. The IPS system works with twin pod drives under the hull and the 
Yanmar with twin sterndrives. When conventional twin-engine controls are in 
neutral, a single joystick takes over with fingertip control. There are no 
thrusters. Through a unique computer program, each drive unit is independently 
operated in terms of direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system 
works far more intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or 
joystick/thruster operated jet drives."

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > wrote:

On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

"On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a couple 
of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is phenomenal.  They 
come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use the two engines to 
spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly down the fairway in what 
seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a gnat's whisker of the 
bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against the bulkhead and keep it 
there with a bit of reverse. "


Dennis:

The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a narrow 
fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it around 180 
degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a stationary 
position..he was on the fly bridge.

I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member 
responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .

I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that is 
what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

 


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Re: Stus-List Boat Handling Skill

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I've got a friend with a Riveria with the pod.  Makes docking more like a
video game.

With twin screws you should be able to put a power boar or cat almost
anywhere.  With one engine in forward and one in reverse it will pivot in
place.  You don't use the wheel when docking twin screws.

Joel

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.
>
> Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.
>
> Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z)
> was leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful
> sort, I wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the
> pier.  With a wry smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then
> finished untying and placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of
> slight control moves, the MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He
> explained that not only was the boat equipped with a bow thruster but also
> pod drives.
>
> From the MJM website:
>
> "
>
> *Joystick Computerized Control*The primary design goal for the 40z was to
> create a 40 foot powerboat that would handle like a 30-footer at idle
> speeds in tricky docking situations. The new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar
> joystick control technology makes this goal a reality. The IPS system works
> with twin pod drives under the hull and the Yanmar with twin sterndrives.
> When conventional twin-engine controls are in neutral, a single joystick
> takes over with fingertip control. There are no thrusters. Through a unique
> computer program, each drive unit is independently operated in terms of
> direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system works far more
> intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or joystick/thruster
> operated jet drives."
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert  wrote:
>
>> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>>> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a
>>> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is
>>> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use
>>> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly
>>> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a
>>> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against
>>> the bulkhead and keep it there with a bit of reverse. "
>>>
>>
>> Dennis:
>>
>> The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a
>> narrow fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it
>> around 180 degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a
>> stationary position..he was on the fly bridge.
>>
>> I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One
>> member responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .
>>
>> I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that
>> is what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C&C 32- 84
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
>
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I agree.  Some skippers demonstrate great seamanship.

Then there's the joy of a well equipped boat.

Couple years ago, a fella with a nice MJM 40 (https://mjmyachts.com/40z)
was leaving a side to docking just in front of Touche'.  Being a helpful
sort, I wandered up and asked if he needed help getting away from the
pier.  With a wry smile, he graciously thanked me but declined.  He then
finished untying and placed himself at the helm station.  With a couple of
slight control moves, the MJM moved directly away from the pier.  He
explained that not only was the boat equipped with a bow thruster but also
pod drives.

>From the MJM website:

"

*Joystick Computerized Control*The primary design goal for the 40z was to
create a 40 foot powerboat that would handle like a 30-footer at idle
speeds in tricky docking situations. The new Volvo-Penta IPS or Yanmar
joystick control technology makes this goal a reality. The IPS system works
with twin pod drives under the hull and the Yanmar with twin sterndrives.
When conventional twin-engine controls are in neutral, a single joystick
takes over with fingertip control. There are no thrusters. Through a unique
computer program, each drive unit is independently operated in terms of
direction, rpm and forward-reverse gear. This new system works far more
intuitively than conventional twin shaft drives or joystick/thruster
operated jet drives."

Dennis C.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM, robert  wrote:

> On 2016-10-26 5:45 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>
>> "On a few occasions I've had the opportunity to watch the weigh ins at a
>> couple of fishing tournaments.  The skill of the charter captains is
>> phenomenal.  They come into a harbor, motor to the center of a fairway, use
>> the two engines to spin the boat's stern into the fairway, back directly
>> down the fairway in what seems an impossibly straight line, stop within a
>> gnat's whisker of the bulkhead, then gently place the boat's stern against
>> the bulkhead and keep it there with a bit of reverse. "
>>
>
> Dennis:
>
> The other day I watched a club member with a 40' powerboat come into a
> narrow fairway at our club (not much wider than his boat) and turn it
> around 180 degrees to parallel dock the boat literately pivoted in a
> stationary position..he was on the fly bridge.
>
> I said the people standing next to me what great boat handling. One member
> responded and said "well, anybody can do that with bow thrusters" .
>
> I responded and said "His boat does not have bow or stern thrusters, that
> is what makes it so impressive".  No response from him.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32- 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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