Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
When I replaced my leaking aluminum tank I used a plastic tank, luckily it's translucent enough that now I can just look at the tank and see the level. I never go closer than 1" - 2" from the top when filling. Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 12/14/2015 5:04 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: Jonathan, I rely mostly on sound and looking down the fill pipe when the pitch changes. Far from perfect! Joel On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the fill pipe overflows! How do others make sure the tank is full without causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!) -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend. The vent hose is looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher than the thru-hull under the toe-rail. Once again, the guys in Niagara on the Lake got it right! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the vent line. If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not causing an issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would leave the owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> To: CnClist mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources Message-ID: <mailto:canir%2byuaaje1sv22q-zyknk_hzhxdywdznvha6fucykmssw...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" While we're on the subject, two other things to check: 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. Dennis C. Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 From: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>> To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Message-ID: mailto:w...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michael, I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
First, the vent on Touche' overflows before the fill so not quite the same configuration as others. I place an absorbent pad under the vent just in case. Touche's fuel gauge is fairly accurate but does peg out at "F" a bit before the tank is topped off. I do two things to avoid overflow. Method 1 - I have meticulously logged every fuel addition with the corresponding engine hours since the repower in 2003. From that data, I've calculated the fuel usage is always between 0.6 and 0.7 gph depending on how hard we run the boat. Using the low 0.6 gph number and the hours since the last fuel addition, I can usually calculate how much fuel I've used and thus how much I can add. That is, 10 hours x 0.6 gph = 6 gallons. So at around 5 gallons, I slow the fuel addition rate and switch to method 2 below. Method 2 - I use the tried and true method of placing my ear near the fill and listening. You can usually detect the change in sound when the fuel begins to rise up the fill hose. Your boat(s) maybe be different. PS: The large fuel dispensing hoses you encounter at fuel docks where they fuel a lot of large boats complicate fueling our smaller tanked boats. :( Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote: > This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the > fill pipe overflows! How do others make sure the tank is full without > causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!) > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend. The vent hose is > looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher > than the thru-hull under the toe-rail. Once again, the guys in Niagara on > the Lake got it right! > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the >> vent line. >> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. >> >> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not >> causing an >> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would >> leave the >> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. >> >> Michael Brown >> Windburn >> C&C 30-1 >> >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C." >> To: CnClist >> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> While we're on the subject, two other things to check: >> >> 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring >> 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 >> From: Josh Muckley >> To: "C&C List" >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Michael, >> >> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. >> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and >> a >> fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the >> vent >> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't >> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Same for me. Listen and look. My crew (especially the Admiral) thinks its funny I need silence when filling the tank. Ken H. On 14 December 2015 at 18:04, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Jonathan, > > I rely mostly on sound and looking down the fill pipe when the pitch > changes. Far from perfect! > > Joel > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before >> the fill pipe overflows! How do others make sure the tank is full without >> causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!) >> >> -- >> Jonathan >> Indigo C&C 35III >> SOUTHPORT CT >> >> On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend. The vent hose is >> looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher >> than the thru-hull under the toe-rail. Once again, the guys in Niagara on >> the Lake got it right! >> >> Joel >> 35/3 >> Annapolis >> >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in >>> the vent line. >>> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. >>> >>> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not >>> causing an >>> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would >>> leave the >>> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. >>> >>> Michael Brown >>> Windburn >>> C&C 30-1 >>> >>> >>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 >>> From: "Dennis C." >>> To: CnClist >>> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> While we're on the subject, two other things to check: >>> >>> 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring >>> 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> >>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 >>> From: Josh Muckley >>> To: "C&C List" >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Michael, >>> >>> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. >>> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting >>> and a >>> fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the >>> vent >>> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't >>> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. >>> >>> Josh Muckley >>> S/V Sea Hawk >>> 1989 C&C 37+ >>> Solomons, MD >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Jonathan, I rely mostly on sound and looking down the fill pipe when the pitch changes. Far from perfect! Joel On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote: > This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the > fill pipe overflows! How do others make sure the tank is full without > causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!) > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend. The vent hose is > looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher > than the thru-hull under the toe-rail. Once again, the guys in Niagara on > the Lake got it right! > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the >> vent line. >> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. >> >> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not >> causing an >> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would >> leave the >> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. >> >> Michael Brown >> Windburn >> C&C 30-1 >> >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C." >> To: CnClist >> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> While we're on the subject, two other things to check: >> >> 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring >> 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 >> From: Josh Muckley >> To: "C&C List" >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Michael, >> >> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. >> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and >> a >> fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the >> vent >> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't >> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the fill pipe overflows! How do others make sure the tank is full without causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!) -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List > wrote: > > I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend. The vent hose is looped > under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher than the > thru-hull under the toe-rail. Once again, the guys in Niagara on the Lake > got it right! > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > >> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List >> wrote: >> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the >> vent line. >> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. >> >> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not >> causing an >> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would >> leave the >> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. >> >> Michael Brown >> Windburn >> C&C 30-1 >> >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 >> From: "Dennis C." >> To: CnClist >> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> While we're on the subject, two other things to check: >> >> 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring >> 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 >> From: Josh Muckley >> To: "C&C List" >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Michael, >> >> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. >> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a >> fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent >> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't >> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend. The vent hose is looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher than the thru-hull under the toe-rail. Once again, the guys in Niagara on the Lake got it right! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the > vent line. > If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. > > I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not > causing an > issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would > leave the > owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 > From: "Dennis C." > To: CnClist > Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > While we're on the subject, two other things to check: > > 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring > 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. > > Dennis C. > > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 > From: Josh Muckley > To: "C&C List" > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michael, > > I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. > Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and > a > fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the > vent > inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't > think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the vent line. If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it. I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not causing an issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would leave the owner wondering how a gallon of water got in. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" While we're on the subject, two other things to check: 1. Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring 2. Fuel fill cap if plastic. It could be cracked. Dennis C. Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 From: Josh Muckley To: "C&C List" Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michael, I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Michael, I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a fluid sensor added. In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion. I don't think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Oct 30, 2015 5:31 PM, "Michael Brown via CnC-List" wrote: > I envisioned that it would capture any liquid coming to it, not > specifically > acting as a fuel / water separator. More of a trap. The misuse of a fuel > rated item was just a safety consideration since it is in part of a fuel > system > though generally not in contact with fuel. > > If the water was coming in small quantities at a time it would be trapped > at least until the bowl was full. Which you could see, or have a water > sensor > alert wired in. > > Far from an ultimate solution, but for $40 it might catch cups of water. > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:29:03 -0400 > From: "Marek Dziedzic" > To: > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I don?t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle > of fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate > small quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on > hand is a large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think > that if you wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of > Dorade box (with a float?) would be required. > > Marek > > From: Michael Brown via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Michael Brown > Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents > > Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line? > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203 > > The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They > would capture water coming in. > The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one. > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
I envisioned that it would capture any liquid coming to it, not specifically acting as a fuel / water separator. More of a trap. The misuse of a fuel rated item was just a safety consideration since it is in part of a fuel system though generally not in contact with fuel. If the water was coming in small quantities at a time it would be trapped at least until the bowl was full. Which you could see, or have a water sensor alert wired in. Far from an ultimate solution, but for $40 it might catch cups of water. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:29:03 -0400 From: "Marek Dziedzic" To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I don?t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle of fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate small quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on hand is a large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think that if you wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of Dorade box (with a float?) would be required. Marek From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203 The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They would capture water coming in. The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Don Street of Iolare fame had a story about someone who got tired of water in the fuel and ran the vent hose 8 feet up the mizzen mast LOL. Joe From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Russ & Melody Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents The best of vents will have the high point of the loop on centreline. Not practically achievable on many boats and the extra hose cost and perhaps tortuously labour to install is not tolerated by most... but it is "Cadillac". You will probably be sinking by the time water enters the fuel tank... Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 11:19 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote: Russ, Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought. I don't know if there is a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out! The fuel fill hose and vent hose are still original as far as I can tell. I hope the guys up north were generous with the use of vent hose in 1983. Probably time to change both hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship. Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so spillage ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with paper towel in place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same. Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered compliance grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972. If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.         Cheers, Russ         Sweet 35 mk-1 At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative;         boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_" Apples and oranges. The fill - where you add fuel - on the 35 MK I is on top of of of the coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue. The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be on the side of the hull. Agree about a loop - no reason I can seee not to do that.  Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I  From: CnC-List [ <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents  Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of the loop before entering the tank?  On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. Ed On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?  Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA  _
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The best of vents will have the high point of the loop on centreline. Not practically achievable on many boats and the extra hose cost and perhaps tortuously labour to install is not tolerated by most... but it is "Cadillac". You will probably be sinking by the time water enters the fuel tank... Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 11:19 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote: Russ, Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought. I don't know if there is a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out! The fuel fill hose and vent hose are still original as far as I can tell. I hope the guys up north were generous with the use of vent hose in 1983. Probably time to change both hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship. Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so spillage ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with paper towel in place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same. Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered compliance grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972. If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.         Cheers, Russ         Sweet 35 mk-1 At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative;         boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_" Apples and oranges. The fill where you add fuel on the 35 MK I is on top of of of the coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue. The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be on the side of the hull. Agree about a loop no reason I can seee not to do that.  Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I  From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents  Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of the loop before entering the tank?  On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. Ed On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?  Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA  ___ Email address: <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-
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Russ, Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought. I don't know if there is a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out! The fuel fill hose and vent hose are still original as far as I can tell. I hope the guys up north were generous with the use of vent hose in 1983. Probably time to change both hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common > sense and anything is sloppy workmanship. > > Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so > spillage ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with > paper towel in place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent > heights practically the same. > > Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered > compliance grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send > them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972. > If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing. > > Cheers, Russ > *Sweet *35 mk-1 > > > At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote: > > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_" > > Apples and oranges. > The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I is on top of of the > coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the > cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I > have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue. > The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does > not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than > it would be on the side of the hull. > Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that. > > > Joe > Coquina > C&C 35 MK I > > *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Joel Aronson > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel vents > > Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the > coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get > to the top of the loop before entering the tank? > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm > for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating > position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope > outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. > > There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings > of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. > > Ed > On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent > have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and > the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. > My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill > fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel > vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches > above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat > at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever > seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. > If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be > concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) > Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel > fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of > the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 >
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Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship. Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so spillage ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with paper towel in place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same. Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered compliance grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972. If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_" Apples and oranges. The fill where you add fuel on the 35 MK I is on top of of the coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue. The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be on the side of the hull. Agree about a loop no reason I can seee not to do that. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of the loop before entering the tank? On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. Ed On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I don’t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle of fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate small quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on hand is a large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think that if you wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of Dorade box (with a float?) would be required. Marek From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203 The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They would capture water coming in. The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203 The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They would capture water coming in. The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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This is exactly the way my fuel vent hose is arranged. Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame > On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List > wrote: > > Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming > if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top > of the loop before entering the tank? > >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List >> wrote: >> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for >> 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. >> So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most >> likely some would spill into to cockpit. >> >> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings >> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. >> >> Ed >> >>> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" >>> wrote: >>> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent >>> have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and >>> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. >>> >>> My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill >>> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel >>> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches >>> above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat >>> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever >>> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. >>> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be >>> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) >>> >>> Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel >>> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of >>> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>> bottom of page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> > > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Apples and oranges. The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I is on top of the coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue. The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be on the side of the hull. Agree about a loop – no reason I can see not to do that. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of the loop before entering the tank? On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. Ed On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of the loop before entering the tank? On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm > for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating > position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope > outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. > > There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings > of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. > > Ed > On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" > wrote: > >> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent >> have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and >> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. >> >> My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill >> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel >> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches >> above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat >> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever >> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. >> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be >> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) >> >> Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted >> fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the >> side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5 seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit. There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with. Ed On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" wrote: > I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent > have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and > the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. > > My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill > fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel > vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches > above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat > at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever > seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. > If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be > concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) > > Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel > fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of > the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a similar configuration. That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail. My 35-1 is different. The fuel fill is not in the deck. The fuel fill fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming. The fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck. For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep. I have never ever seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom. If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel. :) Would it be smart? Possible? ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress? Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com