Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-12-14 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend.  The vent hose is looped
under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher than the
thru-hull under the toe-rail.  Once again, the guys in Niagara on the Lake
got it right!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the
> vent line.
> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.
>
> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not
> causing an
> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would
> leave the
> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
>
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500
> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> While we're on the subject, two other things to check:
>
> 1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring
> 2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900
> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
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>
> Michael,
>
> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work.
> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and
> a
> fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the
> vent
> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't
> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-12-14 Thread Indigo via CnC-List 
This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the fill 
pipe overflows!  How do others make sure the tank is full without causing a 
small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!)

--
Jonathan
Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend.  The vent hose is looped 
> under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher than the 
> thru-hull under the toe-rail.  Once again, the guys in Niagara on the Lake 
> got it right!  
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the 
>> vent line.
>> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.
>> 
>> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not 
>> causing an
>> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would 
>> leave the
>> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.
>> 
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C 30-1
>> 
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 
>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> 
>> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> 
>> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources 
>> Message-ID: 
>> <canir+yuaaje1sv22q-zyknk_hzhxdywdznvha6fucykmssw...@mail.gmail.com> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
>> 
>> While we're on the subject, two other things to check: 
>> 
>> 1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring 
>> 2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked. 
>> 
>> Dennis C. 
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 
>> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> 
>> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents 
>> Message-ID: 
>> <CA+zaCRC=PEn8ZRj316zrbgfpzVSX0FmAXfDUXmnxgoC29eph=w...@mail.gmail.com> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
>> 
>> Michael, 
>> 
>> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. 
>> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a 
>> fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent 
>> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't 
>> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. 
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C 37+ 
>> Solomons, MD 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-12-14 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Jonathan,

I rely mostly on sound and looking down the fill pipe when the pitch
changes.  Far from perfect!

Joel

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the
> fill pipe overflows!  How do others make sure the tank is full without
> causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!)
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend.  The vent hose is
> looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher
> than the thru-hull under the toe-rail.  Once again, the guys in Niagara on
> the Lake got it right!
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the
>> vent line.
>> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.
>>
>> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not
>> causing an
>> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would
>> leave the
>> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.
>>
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C 30-1
>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500
>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
>> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
>> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources
>> Message-ID:
>> <canir+yuaaje1sv22q-zyknk_hzhxdywdznvha6fucykmssw...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> While we're on the subject, two other things to check:
>>
>> 1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring
>> 2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900
>> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
>> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+zaCRC=PEn8ZRj316zrbgfpzVSX0FmAXfDUXmnxgoC29eph=w...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work.
>> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and
>> a
>> fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the
>> vent
>> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't
>> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Same for me.  Listen and look.  My crew (especially the Admiral) thinks its
funny I need silence when filling the tank.

Ken H.

On 14 December 2015 at 18:04, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Jonathan,
>
> I rely mostly on sound and looking down the fill pipe when the pitch
> changes.  Far from perfect!
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before
>> the fill pipe overflows!  How do others make sure the tank is full without
>> causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!)
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>> Indigo C 35III
>> SOUTHPORT CT
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend.  The vent hose is
>> looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher
>> than the thru-hull under the toe-rail.  Once again, the guys in Niagara on
>> the Lake got it right!
>>
>> Joel
>> 35/3
>> Annapolis
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in
>>> the vent line.
>>> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.
>>>
>>> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not
>>> causing an
>>> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would
>>> leave the
>>> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.
>>>
>>> Michael Brown
>>> Windburn
>>> C 30-1
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500
>>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
>>> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
>>> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <canir+yuaaje1sv22q-zyknk_hzhxdywdznvha6fucykmssw...@mail.gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> While we're on the subject, two other things to check:
>>>
>>> 1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring
>>> 2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900
>>> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CA+zaCRC=PEn8ZRj316zrbgfpzVSX0FmAXfDUXmnxgoC29eph=w...@mail.gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work.
>>> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting
>>> and a
>>> fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the
>>> vent
>>> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't
>>> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-12-14 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
First, the vent on Touche' overflows before the fill so not quite the same
configuration as others.  I place an absorbent pad under the vent just in
case.

Touche's fuel gauge is fairly accurate but does peg out at "F" a bit before
the tank is topped off.  I do two things to avoid overflow.

Method 1 - I have meticulously logged every fuel addition with the
corresponding engine hours since the repower in 2003.  From that data, I've
calculated the fuel usage is always between 0.6 and 0.7 gph depending on
how hard we run the boat.  Using the low 0.6 gph number and the hours since
the last fuel addition, I can usually calculate how much fuel I've used and
thus how much I can add.  That is, 10 hours x 0.6 gph = 6 gallons.  So at
around 5 gallons, I slow the fuel addition rate and switch to method 2
below.

Method 2 - I use the tried and true method of placing my ear near the fill
and listening.  You can usually detect the change in sound when the fuel
begins to rise up the fill hose.

Your boat(s) maybe be different.

PS:  The large fuel dispensing hoses you encounter at fuel docks where they
fuel a lot of large boats complicate fueling our smaller tanked boats.  :(

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent before the
> fill pipe overflows!  How do others make sure the tank is full without
> causing a small spill? (Especially with a less than sensitive fuel gauge!)
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend.  The vent hose is
> looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a foot higher
> than the thru-hull under the toe-rail.  Once again, the guys in Niagara on
> the Lake got it right!
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the
>> vent line.
>> If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.
>>
>> I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not
>> causing an
>> issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would
>> leave the
>> owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.
>>
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C 30-1
>>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500
>> From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com>
>> To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com>
>> Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources
>> Message-ID:
>> <canir+yuaaje1sv22q-zyknk_hzhxdywdznvha6fucykmssw...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> While we're on the subject, two other things to check:
>>
>> 1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring
>> 2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900
>> From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com>
>> To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>> Message-ID:
>> <CA+zaCRC=PEn8ZRj316zrbgfpzVSX0FmAXfDUXmnxgoC29eph=w...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work.
>> Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and
>> a
>> fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the
>> vent
>> inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't
>> think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-12-14 Thread Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
When I replaced my leaking aluminum tank I used a plastic tank, luckily 
it's translucent enough that now I can just look at the tank and see the 
level.  I never go closer than 1" - 2" from the top when filling.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 12/14/2015 5:04 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:

Jonathan,

I rely mostly on sound and looking down the fill pipe when the pitch 
changes.  Far from perfect!


Joel

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


This explains why I never get any fuel dripping out of the vent
before the fill pipe overflows!  How do others make sure the tank
is full without causing a small spill? (Especially with a less
than sensitive fuel gauge!)

--
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Indigo C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

On Dec 14, 2015, at 12:14, Joel Aronson via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I finally crawled into the lazarette this weekend.  The vent hose
is looped under the coaming on my 35/3, so the loop is nearly a
foot higher than the thru-hull under the toe-rail.  Once again,
the guys in Niagara on the Lake got it right!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact
coming in the vent line.
If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.

I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a
time, but not causing an
issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up.
That would leave the
owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com
<mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com
<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com>>
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While we're on the subject, two other things to check:

1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring
2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked.

Dennis C.

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com
<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
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Michael,

I can see what you were going for and I think it would
partially work.
Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the
drain fitting and a
fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just
re-plumb the vent
inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline
stanchion.  I don't
think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-31 Thread Michael Brown via CnC-List 
The trap would answer the question if the water was in fact coming in the vent 
line.
If it was, it might identify the conditions that cause it.

I could imagine water splashing in a few tablespoons at a time, but not causing 
an
issue until enough accumulated in the tank to get picked up. That would leave 
the
owner wondering how a gallon of water got in.

Michael Brown
Windburn
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:13:32 -0500 
From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> 
To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Other fuel system water ingress sources 
Message-ID: 
     <canir+yuaaje1sv22q-zyknk_hzhxdywdznvha6fucykmssw...@mail.gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
While we're on the subject, two other things to check: 
 
1.  Fuel fill cap gasket o-ring 
2.  Fuel fill cap if plastic.  It could be cracked. 
 
Dennis C. 

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:03 -0900 
From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> 
To: "C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents 
Message-ID: 
     <CA+zaCRC=PEn8ZRj316zrbgfpzVSX0FmAXfDUXmnxgoC29eph=w...@mail.gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Michael, 
 
I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work. 
Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a 
fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent 
inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't 
think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either. 
 
Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Michael Brown via CnC-List 
I envisioned that it would capture any liquid coming to it, not specifically
acting as a fuel / water separator. More of a trap. The misuse of a fuel
rated item was just a safety consideration since it is in part of a fuel system
though generally not in contact with fuel.

If the water was coming in small quantities at a time it would be trapped
at least until the bowl was full. Which you could see, or have a water sensor
alert wired in.

Far from an ultimate solution, but for $40 it might catch cups of water.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1



Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:29:03 -0400 
From: "Marek Dziedzic" <dziedzi...@hotmail.com> 
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents 
Message-ID: <blu184-ds5de4c0bbeefead8683478ce...@phx.gbl> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
I don?t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle of 
fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate small 
quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on hand is a 
large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think that if you 
wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of Dorade box 
(with a float?) would be required. 
 
Marek 
 
From: Michael Brown via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Michael Brown  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents 
 
Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line? 
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203
 
 
The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They 
would capture water coming in. 
The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one. 
 
Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Michael,

I can see what you were going for and I think it would partially work.
Ideally a larger drop-out tank could be attached to the drain fitting and a
fluid sensor added.   In my case it seems simpler to just re-plumb the vent
inside the adjacent propane locker or up a lifeline stanchion.  I don't
think it would out perform a centerline vent loop either.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Oct 30, 2015 5:31 PM, "Michael Brown via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> I envisioned that it would capture any liquid coming to it, not
> specifically
> acting as a fuel / water separator. More of a trap. The misuse of a fuel
> rated item was just a safety consideration since it is in part of a fuel
> system
> though generally not in contact with fuel.
>
> If the water was coming in small quantities at a time it would be trapped
> at least until the bowl was full. Which you could see, or have a water
> sensor
> alert wired in.
>
> Far from an ultimate solution, but for $40 it might catch cups of water.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
>
> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:29:03 -0400
> From: "Marek Dziedzic" <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
> Message-ID: <blu184-ds5de4c0bbeefead8683478ce...@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I don?t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle
> of fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate
> small quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on
> hand is a large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think
> that if you wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of
> Dorade box (with a float?) would be required.
>
> Marek
>
> From: Michael Brown via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Michael Brown
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>
> Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line?
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203
>
> The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They
> would capture water coming in.
> The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for
5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position.
So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards
most likely some would spill into to cockpit.

There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings
of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.

Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
>
> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
>
> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel
> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of
> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the
coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get
to the top of the loop before entering the tank?

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm
> for 5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating
> position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope
> outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit.
>
> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings
> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
>
> Ed
> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
>> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
>> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
>>
>> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
>> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
>> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
>> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
>> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
>> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
>> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
>> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
>>
>> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted
>> fuel fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the
>> side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
This is exactly the way my fuel vent hose is arranged.  

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming 
> if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top 
> of the loop before entering the tank?
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 
>> 5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. 
>> So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most 
>> likely some would spill into to cockpit.
>> 
>> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings 
>> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
>>> wrote:
>>> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent 
>>> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and 
>>> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
>>> 
>>> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill 
>>> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel 
>>> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches 
>>> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat 
>>> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever 
>>> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  
>>> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be 
>>> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
>>> 
>>> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel 
>>> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of 
>>> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Apples and oranges.
The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I is on top of the coaming. If you 
are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This does 
not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling my 
boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end 
up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be 
on the side of the hull.
Agree about a loop – no reason I can see not to do that.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if 
you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of 
the loop before entering the tank?

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5  
seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it 
depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely 
some would spill into to cockpit.

There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 
15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.

Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a 
similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel vent 
in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill fitting 
is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel vent is also 
well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches above the deck.  
For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern would 
have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever seen water higher than a 
couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  If water was anywhere close 
to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about a lot more than 
water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill 
up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the 
coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203

The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They 
would capture water coming in.
The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
I don’t think it would work. This fuel-water separator works on principle of 
fuel being lighter than water (so it floats on top) and it can separate small 
quantities of water from (large quantities of) fuel. The problem on hand is a 
large quantity of water (and no fuel) entering the line. I think that if you 
wanted a full proof design, something working on a principle of Dorade box 
(with a float?) would be required.

Marek

From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

Would it help to put a fuel / water separator into the vent line?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Diesel-Fuel-Water-Separator-Replaces-5864-002-Thread-M14-1-5-/171859797203

The simple ones have no filter elements so would not impede air flow. They 
would capture water coming in.
The more sophisticated ones have a water sensor, or a fitting for one.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List 


Joel, all vents should be looped as high as 
practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.


Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped 
portion of the combing so spillage ends up in the 
same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with 
paper towel in place before filling. The vent 
loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same.


Since these are original installation locations, 
if I was offered compliance grief from any 
surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send 
them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972.

If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"

Apples and oranges.
The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I 
is on top of of the coaming. If you are a sloppy 
refueler some ends up on deck and some in the 
cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, 
although in all the decades I have been fueling 
my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the 
coaming, so overflow does not end up in the 
cockpit. It also is significantly harder to 
submerge than it would be on the side of the hull.

Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose 
that runs up under the coaming if you are using 
the original vent so that water would have to 
get to the top of the loop before entering the tank?


On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk 
via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting 
the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5  seconds cannot 
enter the cockpit while in its static floating 
position. So it depends on the slope of the 
coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most 
likely some would spill into to cockpit.


There are requirements for separation of fuel 
vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but 
that it likely not difficult to comply with.


Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via 
CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water 
ingress through the fuel vent have a similar 
configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the 
deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in 
the deck.  The fuel fill fitting is well aft in 
the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The 
fuel vent is also well aft exiting the side of 
the cockpit coaming a few inches above the 
deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the 
deck of the boat at the stern would have to be 
awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever seen 
water higher than a couple feet below the 
taffrail atop the transom.  If water was 
anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think 
I would be concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? 
to move a deck mounted fuel fill up to the top 
of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the 
side of the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List 


The best of vents will have the high point of the 
loop on centreline.  Not practically achievable 
on many boats and the extra hose cost and perhaps 
tortuously labour to install is not tolerated by most... but it is "Cadillac".

You will probably be sinking by the time water enters the fuel tank...

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 11:19 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Russ,
Until this thread, I never gave it a second 
thought.  I don't know if there is a loop in 
mine or not, but I'll find out!  The fuel fill 
hose and vent hose are still original as far as 
I can tell.  I hope the guys up north were 
generous with the use of vent hose in 
1983.  Probably time to change both hoses 
anyhow- they are the last of the original.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody 
via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Joel, all vents should be looped as high as 
practical. That is just common sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.


Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped 
portion of the combing so spillage ends up in 
the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch 
with paper towel in place before filling. The 
vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically the same.


Since these are original installation locations, 
if I was offered compliance grief from any 
surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would 
send them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972.

If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.

        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1


At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

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Apples and oranges.
The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I 
is on top of of of the coaming. If you are a 
sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some 
in the cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC 
specs, although in all the decades I have been 
fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the 
coaming, so overflow does not end up in the 
cockpit. It also is significantly harder to 
submerge than it would be on the side of the hull.

Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that.

Â
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Â
From: CnC-List [ 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Â
Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose 
that runs up under the coaming if you are using 
the original vent so that water would have to 
get to the top of the loop before entering the tank?

Â
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk 
via CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel 
exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5Â  seconds 
cannot enter the cockpit while in its static 
floating position. So it depends on the slope 
of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards 
most likely some would spill into to cockpit.


There are requirements for separation of fuel 
vent and other hull openings of 15 inches but 
that it likely not difficult to comply with.


Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via 
CnC-List" <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water 
ingress through the fuel vent have a similar 
configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in 
the deck and the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in 
the deck.  The fuel fill fitting is well aft 
in the top of the port side cockpit 
coaming.  The fuel vent is also well aft 
exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few 
inches above the deck.  For water to get into 
the fuel vent the deck of the boat at the stern 
would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I 
have never ever seen water higher than a couple 
feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  If 
water was anywhere close to entering the fuel 
vent I think I would be concerned about a lot 
more than water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC 
compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel fill up 
to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the 
vent to the side of the coaming like my 35-1 
and reduce the potential for water ingress?

Â
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Â
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Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Don Street of Iolare fame had a story about someone who got tired of water in 
the fuel and ran the vent hose 8 feet up the mizzen mast LOL.
Joe

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & 
Melody via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Russ & Melody
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents


The best of vents will have the high point of the loop on centreline.  Not 
practically achievable on many boats and the extra hose cost and perhaps 
tortuously labour to install is not tolerated by most... but it is "Cadillac".
You will probably be sinking by the time water enters the fuel tank...

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 11:19 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Russ,
Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought.  I don't know if there is 
a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out!  The fuel fill hose and vent hose 
are still original as far as I can tell.  I hope the guys up north were 
generous with the use of vent hose in 1983.  Probably time to change both 
hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common 
sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.
Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so spillage 
ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with paper towel in 
place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent heights practically 
the same.
Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered compliance 
grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send them back to 
review the "code of construction" for 1972.
If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.
        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1

At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         
boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"
Apples and oranges.
The fill - where you add fuel - on the 35 MK I is on top of of of the coaming. 
If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the cockpit. This 
does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I have been fueling 
my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does not end 
up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than it would be 
on the side of the hull.
Agree about a loop - no reason I can seee not to do that.
Â
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Â
From: CnC-List [ <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
Â
Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the coaming if 
you are using the original vent so that water would have to get to the top of 
the loop before entering the tank?
Â
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm for 5Â  
seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating position. So it 
depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope outwards most likely 
some would spill into to cockpit.
There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings of 
15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
Ed
On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent have a 
similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and the fuel 
vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill 
fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel 
vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches 
above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat at 
the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever seen 
water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.  If water 
was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be concerned about 
a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel 
fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of the 
coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
Â
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, L

Re: Stus-List Fuel vents

2015-10-30 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Russ,
Until this thread, I never gave it a second thought.  I don't know if there
is a loop in mine or not, but I'll find out!  The fuel fill hose and vent
hose are still original as far as I can tell.  I hope the guys up north
were generous with the use of vent hose in 1983.  Probably time to change
both hoses anyhow- they are the last of the original.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Joel, all vents should be looped as high as practical. That is just common
> sense and anything is sloppy workmanship.
>
> Joe, my fuel fill is on the outboard sloped portion of the combing so
> spillage ends up in the same area as the vent opening, easy to catch with
> paper towel in place before filling. The vent loop makes the fill & vent
> heights practically the same.
>
> Since these are original installation locations, if I was offered
> compliance grief from any surveyor, insurer or regulatory type I would send
> them back to review the "code of construction" for 1972.
> If you're happy with your installation then send 'em packing.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
>
> At 06:32 AM 30/10/2015, you wrote:
>
> Content-Language: en-US
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>
> boundary="_000_370b7b2b46f84cdcbc23bbe624d15399NSCDAG306baadssagov_"
>
> Apples and oranges.
> The fill – where you add fuel – on the 35 MK I is on top of of the
> coaming. If you are a sloppy refueler some ends up on deck and some in the
> cockpit. This does not meet 2015 ABYC specs, although in all the decades I
> have been fueling my boat this has not proved a significant issue.
> The vent on the 35 MK I is on the side of the coaming, so overflow does
> not end up in the cockpit. It also is significantly harder to submerge than
> it would be on the side of the hull.
> Agree about a loop – no reason I can seee not to do that.
>
>
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>
> *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2015 9:26 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fuel vents
>
> Would it make sense to put a loop in the hose that runs up under the
> coaming if you are using the original vent so that water would have to get
> to the top of the loop before entering the tank?
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> ABYC and USCG requirements say that fuel exiting the fuel fill at 5 gpm
> for 5  seconds cannot enter the cockpit while in its static floating
> position. So it depends on the slope of the coaming. If it doesn't slope
> outwards most likely some would spill into to cockpit.
>
> There are requirements for separation of fuel vent and other hull openings
> of 15 inches but that it likely not difficult to comply with.
>
> Ed
> On Oct 29, 2015 3:57 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> wrote:
> I suspect many of boats experiencing water ingress through the fuel vent
> have a similar configuration.  That is, the fill fitting in the deck and
> the fuel vent in the hull side just under the toe/rub rail.
> My 35-1 is different.  The fuel fill is not in the deck.  The fuel fill
> fitting is well aft in the top of the port side cockpit coaming.  The fuel
> vent is also well aft exiting the side of the cockpit coaming a few inches
> above the deck.  For water to get into the fuel vent the deck of the boat
> at the stern would have to be awash 2-4 inches deep.  I have never ever
> seen water higher than a couple feet below the taffrail atop the transom.
> If water was anywhere close to entering the fuel vent I think I would be
> concerned about a lot more than water in the fuel.  :)
> Would it be smart?  Possible?  ABYC compliant? to move a deck mounted fuel
> fill up to the top of the cockpit coaming and move the vent to the side of
> the coaming like my 35-1 and reduce the potential for water ingress?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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